Weekly MTG Spoilers thread

pet snek

>green future sight

FFS WOTC, STOP GIVING GREEN SHIT THAT'S OUTSIDE ITS COLOR

That seriously looks like bad Animorphs fanart.

>>52627449

Plenty of green cards have had "reveal top of deck" effects like Oracle of Mul Daya and Courser of Kruphix.

This one's actually better in that you are the only one who gets to see it, it's not revealed to all players.

Anyways, EDH/10 for this guy. If you run green and are creature heavy, he's great. Bad everywhere else, though could possibly see Standard play, I guess?

I feel like this should enable a combo.

Important to note it specifies 'mana of any type' instead of 'mana of any color,' so you can cast Thought-Knot Seer.

I would expect this to be the new templating for 'mana of any color' going into the future.

>>52627480
Yes but those only let you play lands. This lets you actually cast shit.

>>52627524

Green could already do that. Garruk's Horde was a thing that happened, though it generally doesn't get run because of how much it costs.

>>52627524
Garruk's Horde was already a thing

>>52627524
it is also a creature, one of the easiest permanent types to deal with

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>>52627524
Seriously dude?

>>52627559
>>52627577
That card is also badly designed.

Green should not get shit outside its color

>>52627597
then tell every other color to stop touching every other color

>>52627597

Isn't it by definition not outside it's color anymore when you have multiple cards doing it?

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>>52627597
That's a nice color pie head canon you got there, but it certainly ain't real.
Green gets to play creatures from the library, tutor creatures, and draw creatures.

>>52627389
>le snek man
Well, there's your chase mythic.

>>52627469
I think it is the best art magic has had in a long time personally
I also completely agree

>>52627597
http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?multiverseid=121264

My friend would have a word with you

>>52627503
Doesn't TKS roll once Amonkhet comes out?

>>52627715

I doubt it. It's great for EDH but it won't draw much Standard demand in all likelihood.

If there's a chase mythic it'll probably be the new walker or some other good for standard one.

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>>52627449
It's too late to fix it.

>>52627715
It's not a snake ;^)

>>52627597
I have no idea what makes you think this is outside of green's slice of the color pie, this is an incredibly green effect.

>>52627389
I'd suck his dicks.

>>52627449
Any color can do a future sight effect if tinted correctly. Blue just gets the most broad.
>W
Enchantments, creatures CMC or power 2 or less
>B
Top card of your graveyard, pay life or sac to cast, top card of your opponents library
>R
Top card of your opponents library, artifacts, at random

>>52627485
Combos with Ornithopters for free "card draw"

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>>52627389
>that fucking awful digital art

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>>52627449
>WOTC STOP GIVING GREEN SHIT THAT ISNT SAPROLING GENERATORS OR FAT TRAMPLERS

Fuck off, Green deserves to have some fun every now and them amidst the waves of boring fucking statblocks.

>>52628869

Oh what the fuck ever, Green has been the favored child for years at this point, getting all kinds of fun shit.

Meanwhile, blue and red are left to languish in the fucking ghetto where they don't get new fun shit and also don't even get to do the things they used to do well.

>>52628898
Good. Blue and Red are a mistake.

>>52627818
Oh you poor innocent child.
BFZ Block and Shadows Block doesn't doesn't rotate out until the set after Hour of Devestation

>>52628940
I play not rotating formats only but someone could redirect me on a table that explain how standard work nowaday?
Please?

>Fuck yeah, we're going to Egyptland!
>Fuck yeah living gods, jackals, avens, and sphinxes!
>Red god is a worse Purphoros ripoff
>Blue god is somehow worse than that
>More ANGELS spoiled so far than new sphinxes
>ANGELS, Boo
>Cycling comes back without Astral Slide
>An honest-to-god Gideon subtheme
Only one hope remains, that cat tats will be good. But some time in the coming week I full well expect them to ruin that too.

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>>52629151
>>Cycling comes back without Astral Slide
we'll get slide in the big set after Hour

cap this post.

So far most rares in this set are limited bombs, EDH stuff or total garbage.
Feels bad man

>>52627389
Fuck the naga creature type sideways with the business end of a sledgehammer. They all should've been snakes.

>>52629422
At this point I've given up on them ever not being retarded with their creature typing and how they're presented. Kamigawa's become an excuse to just not try anymore.

>>52629422
This. what the fuck were they thinking

>>52627389
okay WotC we know Green has been your favorite color for a while now but you could at least try to be subtle about it.

>>52627389
If Nicol Bolas' card's name isn't: The super big bad guy Nicol Bolas who has a huge dick, I'm going to be very disappointed.

>>52629422
>Jackal subtype when Wolves Hounds and Foxes are a thing
>Naga subtype when we already have Snake, Serpent and Wurm
"Cephalids and Viashino were a mistake and I'd make them Octopus and Lizard if I could" – Mark Rosewater

>>52629151
>Cat
You mean the new Feline subtype we'll be introducing? :DDDD

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>Censor
>1U Instant
>Counter target spell unless its controller pays 1.
>Cycling U

Sweet lord this sucks shit. Why didn't they just reprint Miscalculation?

>>52629519
Because that would have been a good non-green card. We can't have that.

>>52629519
Nah, they misprinted the card, it's supposed to be
>U
>Draw a card
They could have at least let us look at our opponent hand too :^)

>>52629519
Can't let control be potentially playable

>>52629519

Eat shit WoTC.

>>52629488
At least they've been consistent with those. All cephalids have the cephalid type, all aven have the bird type, but snakes/naga are all over the place.

>>52627449
What is Garruk's Horde?

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>Liliana's Expertise
>3BB Enchantment
>Zombies you control get +1/+1
>When ~ enters the battlefield, create two 2/2 zombie tokens.

Mite b cool

>>52627469
Welcome to post-Theros art

>>52629580

>BUT
>IT
>WILL
>BE
>GOOD
>IN
>E
>D
>H

>>52629519

Seems pretty decent to me. 2 cost counterspell (not hard counter but plenty of use for that 1 tax to fuck up people playing on curve) with cycling too. Hard too see how it could get better while still having cycling.

>>52629488
Only wolves have anything that resembles tribal support and it would be retarded to call them wolves in the Egypt set. Stop getting upset over nothing. Not every creature type needs to have some boring by the book set of creatures that does "+1/+1 to other Creatures" and "random Creature ability."

>>52629580

2 3/3s for 6 isn't terrible, doubly so in a set with a whole loada zombies.

>>52629587
Have it literally be Miscalculation.

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>>52629587
Compare to Miscalculation. This isn't like the USG/ODS common cycling lands, this one is just worse.

>>52629583
But it is. Your point?

>>52629596
2 3/3s for 5. It's a pretty good card.

>>52629519
It's like WotC is trying to make up for past fucks up
It's been 24 years since the power 9 and 21 years since Force of Will, the hate needs to stop

>>52629580
Bulk rare with recycled art from Innistrad

>>52629597
>>52629598

Slightly worse counterspell, slightly better cycling. I wouldn't call it terrible like most people here. One of the better counters we've seen recently.

>>52629519
JUST FUCK MY CONTROL UP FAMALAM

>>52629610

5, my bad. Yeah with the major keyword for this set being zambietime I can see this being good for white/black. Monoblack a lot less sure of.

>>52629619
>One of the better counters we've seen recently
And that's exactly the problem with Standard right now
Remember AER? We were happy of a SHOCK reprint

>>52629619
t. shill
It's a lot worse than Miscalculation and already an awful counterspell on its own.

>>52629580
I doubt it will translate to Expertise. We just got a cycle of Expertise cards from Kaladesh and this card acts nothing like them. No free shit, it's an Enchantment instead of a Sorcery, etc.

>>52629619
It's next to useless as a counterspell, and 2 to U for the cycling cost is more or less considered equivalent. Or at least it used to be.

>>52629619

>A fucking piece of trash is "one of the better counters we've seen recently"

And you don't see that as being possibly emblematic of a larger issue?

>>52628898
Blue doesn't deserve anything fun ever again for getting Snapcaster and Delver in the same set.

Red could use some love though.

>>52629519

>Censor
>U Istant
>Censor cannot be countered by spell and abilities
>Draw a card

Does not seem so bad, it's a nice cantrip

>>52629594
>Only wolves have anything that resembles tribal support
You know how things get tribal support?
By getting cards consistently printed.

>>52629619
Okay, so at first I just shat on you on reflex. Which I don't disagree with in retrospect, because your opinion is shit, but it would have been more helpful to explain to you exactly why your opinion is shit.

Mana Leak is the acceptable level of power for a 2cmc soft counter: 1U for a tax of 3. You have Spell Pierce which reduces the cost to U and Miscalculation which reduces to tax to 2 for added utility with Cycling. Daze reduces the tax to 1, but gives you an alternate cost that's really powerful for a counter. Disrupt dropped the cost to U and the tax to 1, and limits your targets, but it cantrips.

For this piece of shit you're paying 2cmc for Force Spike, which is kind of a lousy counterspell to begin with, in exchange for Cycling. But it's not a counterspell you want to use in the first place: if you want a counterspell use a better counterspell, if you want to draw cards use something that's better at drawing cards. And if this portends a Standard where there ARE no better alternatives then there's something DEEPLY wrong with the direction the game is taking.

>>52629699
>counterspells
>in standard
>implying WotC isn't slowly phasing out the stack so that they can create Hearthstone 2.0 for their new online client

>>52629741
>Hearthstone 2.0
So "Magic 3.0: This time it's better than the previous version but worse than the original"?

>>52627389

That art looks terrible.

>>52629699
It's a U cost cantrip that ocassionally counters a spell.
It's not really better or worse than miscalculation.

>>52627389
FFS I don't want to spend money on Standard cards.

>>52629807
It is definitely worse than Miscalculation, because at least that has a niche that lets it act in a way different than other options. Force Spike for 2 is essentially a non-option, so it's really U: Draw a card, ~ can't be countered. In which case, its simply the worst version of a draw card imaginable.

>>52629631
desu I have always really loved shock and think bolt is too powerful for normal standards.
I also think 2 mana 3/3s are boderline too much, 5 mana 8/8s with trample are fucking retarded and if they're going to make creatures fucking stupid they might as well make spells retarded too, but shock has been good in standards that aren't pieces of shit.

>>52629854

>WoTC
>Printing good answer cards

lel

>>52629843
> Force Spike for 2 is essentially a non-option
What the fuck are you talking about?
If you're on the play as control, force spike for two is perfectly acceptable. If you're on the draw, you're going to be behind in the early game and cheap cantrip is probably better to dig for early sweepers.
The card is honestly fine. It's not power nine tier, but it's perfectly playable in standard.

>>52629873
>doom blade was last printed in 2014

>>52629873
>>52629897

What is Fatal Push?

>>52629854
It seems that WotC deemed that it is not worth it for them to appeal to players who want to prevent other players from playing (see the terrible removal, discard, counterspells, burn and land destruction card we got in recent years)
I don't know if that's doing them any good but it's definitely hurting the competitive scene and even FNMs

>>52629906
Not doom blade.

>>52629906
A rare card printed with a silver set symbol

>>52629906
sssshhh, people just want to whine.

>>52629923
No, but it's FAR better in eternal formats.

>>52629906

A card that isn't red or blue

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first strike?, indestructible

can't attack or block unless you control at least another 3 creatures

3W: 1/1 warrior token with vigilance

>>52629927
but we were talking about general design trends for standard. Wizards often tries to push a small amount of cards that are better for eternal play than standard, they've been doing it a lot for a while (delve and eldrazi were completely obvious instances of this)

>>52629971
Double strike, I don't even know spanish.

>>52629971
Double Strike

>>52629971

Possibly decent

>>52629981
It's Italian not Spanish.
I can Translate, if you want.

>>52629971
She is like we expected

>>52629971

DOPPIO ATTACCO

I love foreign language words for MTG terms.

>>52629971
Remember when white gods could make 2/1s for 4 mana?

>>52629971
Oh hey
She's actually fucking usable
But also super fucking boring
I miss theros gods

>>52629971
>at least another 3 creatures
Hear that? That's the sound of Sram's Expertise rising in price.

>>52629971

This is real solid. Almost impossible to remove.

>>52630017
From $1.3 to $1.5?

>>52629971
>Dio

IS THAT A MOTHERFUCKING

J O J O
O
J
O

REFERENCE?

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>>52629971

>Creatura Leggendaria - Dio
>Dio
>DIO

>>52630037
>>52630043

Reddit tier meme

>>52629971
now watch the green and black god be usable because they aren't red or blue.

>>52630047
Is that a JoJo reference is such a good meme. I don't care if reddit uses it.

>>52627389

Its a creature. An easy to remove one I might add. Not an OP card

>>52630047
It's correct to use it on 4chan then

>>52630069

It's not OP but it's super solid stats and abilities at 4cmc.

>>52630043
Jesus fuck you guys are worse than the fucking Bronies.

>>52630092
>thatsthejoke.ret

>>52630092
>He doesn't like JOJO references on his Armenian carpets forum

>>52630104
I mean, I'm not even gonna deny that I'm a massive retard and out of touch, so yeah, you're probably right.

>>52630047
>>52630092
Secondaries had about a decade and a half worth of memes to catch up on when the Jojo TV anime first started, and now they've had about five more years worth of new memes to spout.

Of course Jojo has become cancerous. It's a shame.

>>52630143
>go to lgs to play card games with my friends
>it's a saturday so the store is filled with wargamers
>they're playing some game where each model is given a name
>overhear that a guy has named his entire squad after jojo characters
>my eyes roll into the back of my head

>>52629971
I perfectly called that downside / ability weeks ago
Green one will be can't attack or block unless total power among your creatures > X and 3G: target creature gets +Y/+Y

>>52629519
That art though.

>>52629971
I'm hyped for these gods
We might be able to buy masterpiece cards for less than $10 a piece thanks to them being so bad

>>52630190
Yeah, this might legit be the least interesting set in a while.

Guess they are living up to their intentions of having this be a form of successor to Kamigawa.

>>52630219
I find this set to be pretty interesting, but I also find every set interesting since I'm not a pile of salt

The new direction of Magic is vomiting etb creatures and pws to the battlefield backed up with shitty removal. I don't know why you are still surprised that we are getting shittier version of already shitty counters and removal.

>>52630219
Be happy, the next will be even worse.

>>52630278

There's nothing original or new in this set aside from Embalm which is boring.

>>52630278
the flavor is nice, except mechanically they neutered pretty much everything of interest except for As Foretold, which is pretty interesting.

>>52630293
>Nothing original or new
What about a WHOLE NEW PLANE

>>52630310
We aren't talking about set flavor, we are talking about the cards themselves.

>>52629886
Force Spike is for all intents and purposes the bare minimum permission card: a tax of 1 at 1cmc. Basing something off Force Spike and making it "U; taxes for 1, cycle for U" was probably better at slowing down aggro than Wizards wanted, so they bumped it to 1U with the same effects: making it complete trash as a counterspell, and leaving you with options to cycle that are actually usable as other things.

Miscalculation was pinned to Mana Leak, which is a better card than Force Spike to begin with, and instead lowers the tax to a nice symmetrical 2 in exchange for the option to cycle. The result wasn't the best thing in the world but it was definitely still playable at 2cmc.

>>52630316
I am too
A new plane implies new mechanics and new ways of explaining how the world works through the cards of the set

>>52629971
Oketra the loyal.
double strike, indestructible.

O. can't attack or block unless you control at least 3 other creatures.

3W: create a 1/1 white warrior creature token with vigilance.

having 4 creatures on the field sounds a bit demanding. What are you aiming to do? put an echantment on her so you can cash in from double attack, when she has no evasion? try to make her bigger when you are also going wide? she sounds a bit counter-intuitive.
at least you can react to your opponenet removing creature to disable her with creating more creatures even on the declare combat step.

i am a bit surprised she doesn't do stuff that requres white creatures or emblam shit.
Why on earth does embalm need to make tokens white? i suppose WotC has a good reason to increase the complexity of a mechanic which is already complex, and i expected the big kitty to be exactly that.

>>52629981
build the wall and shut the fuck up you burger.

>>52630336
>thinking colour even matters anymore

When was the last standard print that cared about a colour other than colourless?

>>52630310
>What about a WHOLE NEW PLANE
Yeah a whole new copypaste of an Earth culture with a fantasy coat of paint where the entire plot is about the Manateers saving the day that's so ORIGINAL and EXCIzzzzzzzz

>>52630335
Well they are doing a shit job of it, and no that wasn't your point, because what plane we are on has nothing to do with how interesting the card mechanics themselves are.

>>52630343

Khans block.

>>52630336
>what are tokens

>>52629971

Is there even a point to having a big ass on an indestructible creature?

>>52630367
-1/-1 Token.
Grasp of Darkness.

>>52630367
-1/-1 counters

>>52630367
Trample only considers toughness.

>>52630349
The plot being written around the Jacetice League is shitty but at least it still shows us what the plane is like. They could write the whole story like the last part of Kaladesh's story, where you could put the actions on any plane and still have it understandable

>>52630350
Somewhere around the way you forgot that "interesting" is subjective

>>52629971
A shittier and more boring Heliod.

This block is somehow even worse than Theros so far. What the fuck is wrong with WOTC that we can't get good blocks anymore? It's all been trash since KTK, and I say that as an Eldrazi fan.

>>52630284
They're making more boring and shittier Gods compared to the first time they showed up. The Gods are the exact sort of thing you would expect to be given special treatment, and yet they're all boring compared to what we saw in a block everyone already called shit to begin with.

I hated Theros so much I almost quit Magic to play Yugioh and I'm complimenting it compared to this abortion of a set.

How the fuck are we on what seems to be the SEVENTH shitty set in a row now? I can point to the exact moment that MTG went to shit, and it was the shift from 3 set blocks to 2 set blocks. Not even because of that specifically, but because of the design philosophies that came alongside it.

>>52630302
>mfw ass foretold is going to be a $2 bulk rare a week after gameday
>mfw oketra and kefnet are going to be at least $20
>mfw once grasp of darkness rotates, hazoret will jump in price as it becomes a curve topper for agro decks.
>mfw /tg/ will go on about how they knew the gods were sleeper op all along

>>52630391
The next will be even worse.

>>52630397
>>mfw /tg/ will go on about how they knew the gods were sleeper op all along
Well, /tg/ IS bad at magic AND hypocrite

Hazoret is great

>>52630429
Hazoret is lewd.

>>52630391
If we're being honest I feel like Oketra is actually easier to attack with without having to build your deck with Devotion in mind, and rewards you more for playing with buffs, equipment, anthems, etc. So she's probably just a bit better.

>>52630439
I'm not a furry, so I can't really tell

>>52630447
Red = White >>> Blue

>>52630456
Neither am I. And yet, she is.

>>52630367

Bear in mind there are cards that can remove Indestructibility and Hexproof in Standard right now.

>>52630397
The gods may be strong, that doesn't however mean they are interesting, same applies to As Foretold, maybe it's not the strongest, but it actually allows for interesting interactions.

>>52630429
Hazoret would be nice in a RDW as an end of the curve card, casting her when you are in topdeck mode and transforming all the land you draw into 2 damage for your opponent, but wizard hate RDW in standard and there is probably better option in other format.

>>52630524
She will be pretty good in my Bellstriker EDH deck

>>52627669
>>52627577
>>52627449

Sylvan Library, Beast Within, Harmonize are breaks.
Green can do nearly anything if it's tied to creatures or lands. Green can certainly draw lands/creatures from library.

You do get raw card advantage from cards like these but they're not searching up any two creatures and putting them into play, which while completely in color feels like it shouldn't be able to get non-green creatures. Garruk that puts creatures into play, Natural Order and GSZ all only get green creatures. I'm okay with tutors like Traverse/Worldly Tutor getting non-green if there's a cost, like delirium or on top of library because it doesn't put them into play. Putting non-green creatures into play feels like a break.

Sylvan Library draws cards for life and lets you rearrange the top couple cards. A U/B ability but I'm still happy to put it in my decks.

Beast Within can destroy creatures/planeswalkers.
Terastodon and Woodfall Primus can both destroy planeswalkers, slightly unnatural but they're mostly living.
Harmonize is a break, even if it's fairly costed. Drawing cards for no reason other than to draw cards is a break.

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>>52629971
>Doppio

>>52630519
That aren't supposed to be in standard right now post AKH 'rotation'

>>52630625
To his credit, he's probably an american that didn't take high school spanish where first strike is dana primero.
But c'mon
doppio = double
attacco = attack = strike

>>52630644
There's still the indestructible fireball.

So can we expect some bannings some April 24th?

Because it certainly looks like this set won't change anything.

White is the worst one so far. You need at least a field of 4 dudes for it to be doing any attacking or blocking, meaning any creature removal can turn it off in an instant.

>>52628957
http://whatsinstandard.com/

>>52629580
Everyone, say it with me
>ZOMBIE
>TRIBAL

>>52629971
Man is she good at driving cars.

>>52629971
Outside of Double strike she is pretty much was what expected.

Best God so far and whether that is good or bad is up to you.

>>52630614
>Beast Within can destroy creatures/planeswalkers.
Destoying planeswalker isn't what make it a break, "destroy target noncreature permanent" was always part of green color pie. Destroying a non-flying creature isn't in green modern color pie but some older card like desert twister or tornado could do it, and because we were on phyrexia you could argue that it was more of a bend to fit the flavor like blue getting "lose one life" effect like on psychic barrier or vapor snag.
The thing that really make it a break is that polymorph effect are blue.

>>52630879
>and because we were on phyrexia you could argue that it was more of a bend to fit the flavor like blue getting "lose one life" effect like on psychic barrier or vapor snag.
Wasn't New Phyrexia kind of a "thought experiment" about "every non-black color gets black mechanics" since Phyrexia basically taint everything it touch with Black mana

>>52630179
Any bets on the black god?

My guess is it can only attack or block if you have a certain amount of creatures in your graveyard and it has a creature sac effect.

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>>52630663
Are you talking about pic related?
Bonds of Mortality should rotate but it's not. I'm okay with you paying 7 mana and a card to kill my Oketra.

>>52630913
>>52630913
Phyrexia is all about color pie bleeds and how they do that mechanically is exchange life for mana, which in general, is a black type of thing to do.

>>52630921
p/t : something big
Bontu can't attack or block unless it have 4 or more -1/-1 counters on it.
activated ability : put a -1/-1 counter on Bontu, then you may move a -1/-1 counter from one target creature to another target creature

>>52630921
Can't attack unless you have 10 or less life
3B, pay 2 life: draw a card

>>52630960
My guess is Bontu is some form of graveyard threshold. Tied to card types, creatures, zombies or even straight up threshold spelled out.

>>52630058
No, it's shit and only enables the animeonly fags.

>>52630921
>>52630976
Graveyard counting doesn't play well in a set where you're encouraged to be constantly fishing things out of your graveyard though. Like, having to have X number of creatures makes Embalm feel bad, and they hate feelbad stuff like that.

>>52630851
SHE WAS BORN TO DRIVE!!!!!!!!!!

>>52627389
>naga
>cleric
They're doing it on purpose, are they?

>>52630704
White Weeniee

>>52629519
Well, as a counterspell its pretty bad. But that Cycling for U is pretty good.

I mean, it is a useful counterspell at the beginning of the game, and a cheap cycling for late game with a very slim chance of actually countering something.

>>52631058
It's garbage. Why not Snek druud, like octopussy they are.

>>52630656

I'm actually a spaniard. I just did that half-asleep

>>52630656
Dude it's Italian not Spanish.

>>52630397
Kefnet looks very sneaky strong.

>>52630851
She's the worst at driving cars of the three we've seen so far though.

>>52631317
what? she makes pilots even.

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>>52631317
>JESUS, TAKE THE WHEEL will dominate standard for the next year

>>52629971
4 mana for a 1/1?

fuck off.

>>52629971
>Dio
>DIO
MUDA MUDA MUDA MUDA MUDA MUDA!

>>52631449

End you're life my man

>>52631476
>you're

>>52629151
>>Cycling comes back without Astral Slide
Holy fuck, can we stop this? None of you actually played standard when this card was printed so it can't be nostalgia. This just as to be bitching for the sake of it

>>52629971
And its just not getting better. Whoever is in charge of Amonkhet's Gods should be fired for this crap.

Unless of course they turn around and go 'Ha! April Fools Motherf*ckers!" And then reveal the actual gods, the ones that aren't so bad they're literally cancerous.

>>52631476
holy shit

is that a motherfucking

JOJO REFERENCE?!

>>52631496
Mr Ethan Fleischer who was responsible for:
Journey into Nyx (lead)
Commander 2014 (lead)
Oath of the Gatewatch (lead)
Commander 2016 (lead)
Amonkhet (co-lead)

>>52631487
>This just as to be bitching for the sake of it
Like half, if not more, of the complaints about Amonkhet

>>52631509
>nyx
>gatewatch
I'm not going to miss Ethan.

>>52628898
Yet more proof, not that we needed it, that tg is bad at magic. Shut your fucking neckbead mouthbreathing autism up. This is as green as it gets and your a fucking retard if you disagree. Blue gets nothing? Are you fucking kidding me? Blue has gotten more color pies breaks than any other color, possible every other color combined. Get the fuck off my board.

>>52631387
You'd have to spend a total of 12 mana to get the same power 3 mana gets you from casting the bird.

>>52629598

>not as strong as a card from the Urza block
>somehow an even vaguely relevant metric

Get fucked. The Urza block is still, TO THIS DAY, one of, if not the, strongest blocks every printed. In limited and standard, Censor is perfectly fucking playable.

>>52631487
>None of you actually played standard when this card was printed so it can't be nostalgia.
I've played the card in legacy and the Worlds 2004 decks were the first decks I ever really played with.
Also lots of people know it from extended, it's a beloved card and people want it in modern.

>>52631509

>C16

Is he the one who made ludevic then?

>>52631644
At the very least he was responsible for Partner

>>52630921
Creatures in grave to attack. Ability is attrition.


Wizards pls

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>>52631496
>expecting Too-Good-For-Standard of the Coast to make anything good unless it's an extremely pushed rare to sell packs

>>52631667
>3B: Each player sacrifices a creature.

>>52631509

So, if he's failed on literally every single product that he's designed, why is he still allowed to design products? Does Wizards just enjoy rewarding incompetence?

>>52631688
It could be that those sets weren't the total disaster some people think they were.

>>52631688
>C16
>OGW
>Disasters
C16 changed the face of multiplayer EDH and Duel commander
And OGW created Eldrazi Winter thanks to Eye of Ugin, a card printed many years before

>>52631688
nepotism and weird old-fashioned shit is abound at WoTC.

younger people who sign on for minor shit there are appalled at how the company is run and how far behind they are on everything.

this is why they still use fucking still images stretched to appear moving for their fucking set trailers, they are (likely forced) so frugal it hurts, hence why Hearthstone is surpassing it in every way.

people want showy shit to go along with their game and Magic art is some of the most static shit there is, ESPECIALLY now, they are mandated for everything to be as realistical in porportion and artistic flair as possible.

>>52631651
I like partner. Its an interesting way to get 4colours. Admittedly id have preferred more 4colour commanders, but partner was an acceptable substitute.

What it needs is more of them. More options. Retroactively giving some legends partner. and printing it on more legends in the future would solve this.

>>52631688
Because there are more than one people implicated in the creation of a product, being lead designer doesn't mean you can do what the fuck you want.

>>52631797
>What it needs is more of them. More options. Retroactively giving some legends partner. and printing it on more legends in the future would solve this.
This
They should print a Commanders: Revised set, with reprint of staples and old commanders with partner

>>52629671
Couldn't the cycle be countered by Disallow? Not that anyone's going to waste their counter on a cantrip and not the card it draws, but still.

>>52631776
That dude was found in The Great Designer Search 2 in 2010 though

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>>52629619
>One
>of
>the
>better
>counters

The average standard player, everyone.

>>52631831
Commander: Revised. Now that's an idea. I love it.

>>52631766
>And OGW created Eldrazi Winter thanks to Eye of Ugin, a card printed many years before
Ian Duke, one of the other lead designers of OGW, straight up said they knew about Eye and Temple when they were developing the set, they just didn't think it would be a big deal.

>>52631776
One of the biggest issues with mtg is the physical product. Printing cards hemorrhages money while digital products can do everything for a fraction of the price. I could see Magic converting completely to digital in the far-flung future.

>>52631902
Come on, it's the best by far
You can cycle it for U at instant speed and get one more zombie from casting Rise From the Tides
Easy 4 off

>>52631977
Hi, Desolator
You're getting better at hiding yourself, I didn't recognize you at first

>>52631932
That's the dumbest shit I've ever heard. That deck literally sees play in Vintage.

>>52631932
>they just didn't think it would be a big deal.
That's some really bad testing. And the thing is, it would be the Eldrazi archetype, so they would need to be literally retarded to not test it enough to see how strong it would be.

>>52632240
There is literally nothing hydra about it.

>>52632240
>Embalm cost lower than its casting cost
Wew

>>52632240
Bring back Wurms

>>52632258
Yeah, not sure why this wasn't just a Wurm or beast.

>>52629519
I would say it hurts to live? But I'm slowly buying my Force of Wills for Legacy and I own like all the good blue decks in Pauper (like all three of them) so I genuinely couldn't give a crap and feel nothing but pity for you Standard babies.

>>52632240
>no +1/+1, even after embalming
The face of green not being green, except for Trample

>>52629971
It's double strike, not first strike. I know it from part 5 what Doppio means.

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>>52632240
Oh look they literally reprinted roar of the wurm and wild mongrel.

How original

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Finally a answer to planeswalker in standard?

>>52632320
4 mana for a 6/6 trampler sounds pretty green to me

>>52632240
Where's the token?

>>52632356
>Sorcery
It's garbage

>>52632356
This card is fucking awful, worse than ruinous path

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>>52632365

>>52632356
Hero's Downfall: The Sorcering, also hope you enjoy paying 4 mana for a 2/2

Decent limited card

>>52632356
>Sorcery
Into the trash it goes

>>52632258
>>52632273
Agreed, this could have been any green creature

>>52632373
we Mummies Alive now

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p7C0arR310g

>>52632381
Ruinous path is already in though, which doesn't see much play

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>>52632373
That art is fucking hilarious

>>52632401
This show was dope

>>52632372
What are you talking about?

Not only you are more likely to get a body out of a deal because the cost is split over 2 spells, you also get to eat scapheap.

But still, being a sorcery sucks.

>>52632356

Fuck standard. And it's sorcery crap.

>>52632404
That's what I'm getting at. A 3 mana destroy anything + manasink for the later game is decent in limited, though.

>>52632373
>Zombie Snake Hydra
Not
>Zombie Beast Snake Naga Hydra

>>52632240
Could have been an uncommon beast or anything

>Snake Hydra
This could have been a fun way to make a weaker Polukranos with deathtouch

>>52632356
Trash but will see play because of platinum gideon

>>52632373
>>52632240
I would fuck with this. Sure, it's not fantastic, but it's going to be a super sneaky t4 play in some edh decks.

>>52632356
Maybe I will put this in my Zombie tribal edh, but thats it.

>>52632465
EDH can play something better then just a 6/6 trampler.

Infact most hydra's are better then this in EDH for beatsticks

>>52631487
>mfw I've been playing since Urza's
>mfw played with Slide in Legacy
Yeah, how about a nice heaping serving of shut the fuck up. I get REALLY fucking nostalgic about shit I played in Extended.

>>52632356
Why is the second half a four cmc sorcery? Even as a 3 cmc instant it would be barely worth it

>>52632490
That's true, but I can also play that sweet ass token, and a 6/6 for 4 is definitely playable in the right build.

>>52630336
Anthems I assume. Drop an Angel of Invention and go nuts

>>52632535
lategame manasinks.

it really shouldn't be that much but here we are.

>>52632240
>>52632268

Oh hey it's Roar of the Wurm again

>>52632356
> Never to Return
Wait, doesn't it show someone returning?

>>52631449
This must be the work of an enemy planeswalker

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at least its instant

>>52632581
>Roar of the Wurm
Road was better, this shit die to Fatal Push.

>>52630921
How about:
~ can't attack or block unless there are no creatures in your graveyard.
2B: Exile target creature card from your graveyard. Target creature gets -2/-2 until eot.

Dunno about ability. Maybe menace? Lifelink seems a little random and deathtouch is pointless.

>>52632607
>then discard a card
Why. Literally killed the card.

>>52632615
Roar of the Wurm existed in the same Standard as Pernicious Deed and Smother and still saw play

>>52632630
Madness enabler

>>52632549
I guess, but there's few embalm creatures that are actually worth it. I don't know the rules exacly but it shouldn't work on a Scrounger if they can reanimate it, since it's not in a graveyard anymore, right?

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>Desert appeared in Magic's first expansion, Arabian Nights. The card saw some play in tournaments, but was greatly hampered by the fact that so many of the early decks were completely (or almost completely) creatureless. We actually had Desert in early design files but it proved to be a little too powerful to bring back.
>Desert also has the distinction of being one of the first lands to have a nonbasic land subtype on it. While we couldn't bring back Desert, the card, we definitely could bring back Desert, the subtype. The theme shows up lightly in Amonkhet, but will evolve quite a bit with Hour of Devastation.
>Last week I talked about how some items were listed for both top-down Egypt and top-down Bolas. Desert was one of these items, as it was both very Egyptian and very harsh and punishing (aka very Bolas).

>>52632643
Anything that die to Fatal Push is useless.

>>52632630
Wouldn't that just make it a cheaper stroke?

>>52632675
Desert Subtype????

>>52632675
fucking cunts

>>52632611
My 3 years old son just asked me why this card isn't green. How do I answer him?

>>52632693
stroke is slightly different in that is target player.

if not for the discard, it would just be a instant mindspring.

>>52632607
>Blue can't even have a XUU draw X cards

I get WotC nerfing counterspells and removal, but what's so bad about card draw? Even casuals love drawing right?

>>52632718
Blue gets unconditional card sraw

>>52632718
Green card draw is normally attached to creatures while blue has no such conditions

>>52632630
Just discard a fucking land, faggot.

Or discard a reanimator target.

>>52632718
By telling him he was adopted and you already regret your decision to take him in.

>>52632240
What the fuck is this doing in the rare slot

>>52632720
Discard is a perfectly acceptable downside for being instant. Especially with madness and the discard matters cycling cards in standard

>>52631139
And if you knew anything about language you'd know that they are both incredibly similar and you can discern the meaning behind the card from Spanish Knowledge and Cognates even if you don't know Italian. That being said I would prefer an someone who spoke Italian to translate which was provided and my guess as a Spanish speaker was right so great.

>>52632765
because the common slot (your mum's pussy) has enough "snakes" in it already

>>52632720
That still seems really good. Instant speed makes card drawing way better so upping cost by 1 or a similar drawback seems fair. Idk if this will see play due to bad gearhulk synergy but it seems fairly costed as is.

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>>52632615
>>52632681
Both parts of Roar die to Fatal Push
also
>dies to removal
>being a valid argument

>>52632724
XUU to draw cards has precedent at sorcery speed.
You are complaining for the sake of complaining.

>>52632356
More like Never//to be Played amirite?

>>52632766
Yes, discard is not a downside in a format with madness and creatures that can reanimate themselves.
People who whines about the discard are idiots.

>>52631593
T. Timmyfag.
It has been more than six years since a true control Deck existed in standard. Meanwhile babies like you still cry everytime they print a counterspell because you are shit at magic. Blue doesn't need fucking color breaks shits it needs brainstorm, counterspell and accumulated knowledge

>>52632803
No. Fatal Push kill only 2 CMC creatures unless triggered. It's a 2 for 1. This die on a unadultered Fatal Push wich is 1 for 1.

>>52627574

Nigga, have you even SEEN creatures nowadays? I mean like really?

Fuck man now it's bad if the creature even RESOLVES. Oh, you've got an answer to my creature? Well does that answer repair the irreversible boardstate swing that the creature caused? Shoulda countered that Verderous Gearhulk. Oh wait, all your counters are shit? Oh well, get rekt.

>>52632832

So what do non-blue people do?

>>52632825
Push says cmc 2 or less, and both casts of Roar create a creature token.
Creature tokens automatically have a cmc of 0 unless they're a copy of another creature or the card creating the token explicitly says otherwise.

>>52632465
Oh no a 6/6 t4 I'm quivering in my boots

>>52632535
>>52632356
the second part is overcosted because you have to look at the card as a worse(because of sorcery speed) hero's downfall with an upside ( lategame mana sink/situational graveyard hate).

given that some black decks are really big on the 1f1 plan and empty both player's hand very quickly, this might be kind of ok in that kind of deck.

>>52632848
Roar does not make Token, it's a creature.

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>>52632862
http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?multiverseid=29881&partner=AUTOANY&affiliate_id=autocard&utm_campaign=affiliate&utm_source=autocard&utm_medium=card
"Create a 6/6 green Wurm creature token."
>create
>token

and with that, you can shut up and I'm gonna stop responding to obvious bait and/or underage and/or someone so new to MtG they don't know what the fuck they're saying.

>>52632862

Are you actually fucking retarded or is this what passes for bait these days?

>>52632882
Fuck off you and your unofficcial site. Cheater.

>>52632628
>black wanting no creatures in its graveyard.
Why would it go completely against the colour's M.O when none of the other gods so far have?

>>52632812
Mind Spring was printed in the same set as Vendillion Clique and the same block as Cryptic Command

If blue can longer have good counterspells or creatures, it should have better cards in other aspects
Green and white are getting better and better cards every set, meanwhile blue and red get worst and worst

>>52632675
>desert proved too powerful to bring back
Get me off this fucking ride.

>>52630942
>Bonds for three
>Yahenni's expertise

>>52631593
Are you retarded? He's not complaining about breaking the color pie, he's talking about power level.

>>52632907
Good. Red and Blue are a mistake.

>>52632272
MUH NIGGA
I was promised Sandwurms, dammit.

>>52630336
>Why on earth does embalm need to make tokens white?
The fluff is that all mummies "the Annointed" serve as the labor backbone of the city. White is very big on ignoring the needs of the Individual in order to appeal to the interests of the Whole

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>>52632821
>six years
It hasn't even been six months since control was the top dog in standard.

>>52632844
play good creatures

>>52632925
Using dead people for profit.
Sound pretty Black for me.

>>52632825
>cracking a fetch into Push means you 2for1ed yourself
People always say /tg is bad at magic but you really can't make this stuff up

>>52630179
I actually remember you even said the tokens would have vigilance

>>52632821
>6 years
>PT DTK
>PT KLD
I'm not saying the fucking moron is right but you're not helping by saying things in hyperboles.

>>52632955
Revolt is stupid. Push should have killed 4cmc for B. Balanced.

>>52632953
None of it seems to be profit. No one actually seems to work in Amonkhet, they just train for the trials.

All labor seems to be done by zombies so everyone else just has more time to train.

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>>52632675
>We actually had Desert in early design files but it proved to be a little too powerful to bring back.

>>52632918
Red makes the game faster
Blue makes the game slower
They should counter balance each other and create a healthy variety of decks and strategies to choose from but by making both shit all we get in is midrange

If you're afraid that the big red meanies are going to kill you before you can drop your big trample creature then go buy diapers and play EDH

>>52632821
Was Theros RtR really 6 years ago?

>>52633010
Go play legacy then Bluefag.
Your color was a mistake.
Island should be banned from the game.

>>52632994
Look like Black for me. Living Elite profitting from Dead Proletariat.

>>52632607
they "learned" from cards like Sphinxe's rev, dig through time, and treasure cruise

when blue is allowed to get card advantage they can win games
and when blue can win games Timmy gets mad
so can't ever give blue good cards or Timmy won't buy packs
Spike never buys packs anyway though and just buys singles online so wotc will never market to spike or make cards for spike even though spike is the only reason the game is alive

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>>52628698
Is it real?

>>52633078
Fake.

>>52633068
except everyone profits from it?

everyone is training for the trials, there is no proletariat.

>>52633047
Legacy is the best format by far thanks to based blue
Look at the horrible state of modern, games either end on turn 4 or drag on for 40mins+ and last I checked blue made up only 3% of the cards used in the top decks

>>52633078

Completely fucking fake

>>52633078
that -7 seems real bad, I hope its not real.

>>52633078
>create HUMAN token
>emblem that has no synergy with other abilities
I dunno, might be real

>>52633078
facebook doesn't allow such good quality for your uploaded images

>>52632861
What I meant is that the second half feels kinda weak for what it's trying to do, especially as a sorcery since most of its targets will be out of the graveyard before it resolves. The first half is fine tho, so I guess there's that.

>>52633107
stfu. I love Legacy but it is stagnant as fuck due to blue. Modern is genuinely more diverse nowadays and brews stand a better chance of winning than in Legacy.

>>52632819
>printing shit is fine, because it's for standard
>t. standard baby

>>52633078
I really wish it was real, but we already know the walkers for this set.

>>52633242
There are going to be 3 walkers for this set.

>>52631766
>And OGW created Eldrazi Winter thanks to Eye of Ugin, a card printed many years before
>not a disaster
I know Wizards makes money from fucking over their customers, but that was a bad exchange rate.

>>52633235
Oh yeah sure blue is to blame, sure is stagnant when something is putting the brakes on turn one kills

>>52633235
Eternal formats are cancer
Both legacy and modern are dying despite getting special treatment with reprint sets
Frontier is stillborn and every other format is irrelevant

I'm glad WotC knows better and is focusing on standard only, now we can only hope that they stop catering to timmies who get triggered when blue gets a good card

>>52633326
Sure as fuck it is to blame when 70% of decks play Brainstorm and Ponder

>>52633352
the only special treatment legacy receives is being completely neglected by wotc

>>52632607
>>52632611

Actually good card draw

could this set be more disappointing?

in a time when Standard needs higher power cards, hate cards, blue cards, and red cards more than ever in recent memory we get the same old "too powerful for standard" shit

I was really looking forward to this set as the first real shift in the way design worked at wotc but I clearly have either come too early or my expectations were too high
hopefully hour of devastation is better but I won't hold my breath

>>52629554
>>52629561
>>52629613
>>52629624
>>52629638
>>52629643
God I love Blue players tears. Blue players are the biggest faggots in the game and it feels great knowing Wizards doesnt print you guys jack shit. Its ok though keep trying to force control and going 1-3 at FNM ill have fun picking up my free wins whenever i see Blue fetch/Blue dual go.

>M-muh blue
Every fucking set you faggots show up. I can accept red tears because red never gets anything nice, but you guys have had so many broken cards printed over the years that you seem to think that blue not being the most broken color in the set is a travesty.

>>52633470

>"Bluefags cry too much"
>Is literally still asshurt about cards from 20 years ago

>>52632968
>>PT DTK
>>PT KLD
>>52632929
>Standard babies think anything running a counterspell is control
>Don't understand the difference between midrange and control
The last true control Deck was RtR-THR.
Jesus standard really stupidize people

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>>52632718
Tell him green only has one card that discards after it draws, and that's the best card draw engine there is.

>>52633421
This block is Kamigawa 2.0
So far the card people got the most hyped for is a 3 mana aether vial

The lands are shit
The gods are shit
The mechanics are poorly executed

Now we just need to wait it out to see which 2 or 3 cards out of the format will be broken

>>52632607
>>52633074
>>52632724
>>52632630
You people are literally retarded. Instant speed draw spells should be removed from the game entirely. The best period of Magic gameplay (from odyssey block to ravnica block) understood that instant speed draw should never be playable. Instant speed draw makes it so the optimal strategy against counterspells is ALWAYS to jam, making the game vs control to not actually be strategic (especially considering wizards doesn't even print sweepers anymore)
>y-yur just anti blue
Control, even countermagic based control heavily existed in standard during that period and it was great. By all means, blue should get better countermagic, and better control cards in general. Instant speed draw spells are the one exception. It's no coincidence that 2 blocks after they gave blue instant speed draw back they decided to largely kill old style control. Sphinx's rev or mystical teachings are not fun to play against. Concentrate or jushi apprentice are fun to play against.

>>52633490
Torrential Gearhulk and Glimmer of Genius are not midrange cards. You could maybe make arguments for tempo but they absolutely are not midrange.

Abzan control was an actual control deck as well. It was overshadowed by midrange decks (and aggro decks, proving just how fucking cancerous Abzan was in KTK standard) but it aimed to remove threats and win off of an Elspeth (Control Card) and Siege Rhino (not a control card).

And Theros RTR still wasn't 6 years ago. I know people make fun of burn players a lot but at least they can count to 20.

>>52633457
>>52633470

We're rapidly approaching a point where two decks are 75% of Standard's meta. If Control can't make a good impact it's just going to get worse.