Do you have an Roll20 horror stories?

>>52608772
Son, roll20 IS a horror story.

>>52608772
Son, I AM a roll20 horror story.

Son, horror IS a story.

Nothing special.
>Those people who always want to play the weirdest nonhuman races no matter what the game or setting
>Those people who apply with a race, class or feature you've SPECIFICALLY mentioned as not being available.
>Those people who join for a session, seem to have fun, then remove themselves from the game and never contact you ever again.
>Those people that message you saying they've got a group, can you run X game at Y time and day for Z hours?

>>52612720
Bump...

Son, you can ROLL right up into my DM's cause I'm lonely :(

>That one guy that talks shit about every other play to the DM
>That one guy that hates literally everyone except people he personally invites

>"Any of you guys play League by any chance?"

>>52614457
>That one guy that talks shit about every other play to the DM
Why would you trust the DM to keep quiet about that?

>>52608772
I've been itching to play 5e but I don't know anyone near me who plays anymore.
Is roll20 a viable option?

>>52614783

take a look in the forums you lazy fuck.

>>52614783
Yes.

99% of groups are trash though

>>52614805
uhhh what forums
>>52614828
thanks, I'll look into it

>that guy who rolls a female Kitsune samurai in every game he plays

>>52614783
this >>52585751

>>52615203
>playing with /tg/

I tried it once, GM bailed after the first session, deleted everyone from his skype and was never seen again

>>52615252
When I GMd we had a jolly good time tho

>>52615252
This, only it's been the other way around for me. Since /tg/'s inception, I must have gone through close to a hundred prospective players from /tg/, and I haven't kept a single one of them around past the first session. Most of them I never accepted at all, because they were an even mix of "oh, I didn't read the game time lol", "what's GMT?", and "I know, but you can change the game time, right?"

As a general rule, people on the gamefinder tend to be those who can't find a group elsewhere, and that's usually for good reason.

I have never played any RPG (despite being interested in it) before because I am an incredibly autistic fuck who is afraid of people.
According to stories that I read on here Roll20 seems to be full of equally autistic people.

My line of thought is that by playing with the average person you find on Roll20 that is (probably) just as bad as I am I can ease myself into the hobby and eventually learn to deal with regular people too.
Could this plan work?

>>52615420
There are normal people on roll20, most autists throw up HUGE RED FLAGS and are obvious.

They also only play 3.5/PF/5e, so if you sign up for something else chances are you will be safe from 90% of them.

>>52615496
>>They also only play 3.5/PF/5e, so if you sign up for something else chances are you will be safe from 90% of them.
Being safe from them is exactly what I don't want though, I want to deal with them specifically because I believe that it would be easier to interact with them for a sperglord like me as opposed to interacting with regular people where I'd probably just end up as that guy if I don't get in some practice sessions first.

>>52615556

I think you just need a good beating, toughen yourself up.

>>52615420
I was in the same boat, except I'm not autistic. One day I asked a dude who I was in the Marines with if he ever played any TTRPGs. He said yes and that in fact his group just started a pathfinder campaign. Now I have a level 4 druid.

>>52608772
Am I an oddity if so far in my life I've had only two games on roll20 that I found to be bad? Or are these just That Guy thread evolution where people who have bad stories come to share them instead of actively trying to do something about the situations?

>>52615252
I had a player who applied, gave me the character sheet and everything then never spoke to me again. No idea what happened to him, I suspect he may be dead.

>>52615496
I've seen plenty of autsists apply for FATE game I was in.

>>52612720
>>Those people that message you saying they've got a group, can you run X game at Y time and day for Z hours?
I hate these faggots.

It's always some retard asking if I can run a naruto or bleach game with 3.X/PF or 5e.

Fucking autists should just off themselves.

>>52614783
Get Maptools, head to the game finder thread.

I'd offer you a group, but I'm busy with a 1v1 campaign atm.

>>52608772
Well we only use roll20 for mapping, but I once made the mistake of having a big map. A really big map. A "spell ranges actually matter" big map.

It crashed all but one of my players' computers trying to log in. I had to break it all down and only post segments, really killed the feel of the big map.

I have a guy who, at the same time, is a terrible rules lawyer and doesn't understand the system as well as he thinks he does. Found that out only recently, too.

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>>52615203
Why would I want to play with people I know I am gonna hate?

>>52615252
Generally playing with people from 4 chan is a bad idea. Whether in table tops or vidya

My only experience with roll20 was when a guy was recruiting here on /tg/ and I responded out of curiosity. Best campaign in my life so far.

>>52616782
That is the worst. I'm playing with a group of half experienced, half new-to-RPG players. The one who has played the least keeps 'correcting' me on rules I've damn well near memorised after all these years AND on his character's abilities (because he uses the names of them to judge what they do instead of reading the entries in the book).

I once tried DMing on Roll20 with people on their forums. I had one person show up with a character with almost three times as many attribute points as everyone else. When I corrected them they argued with me for a while then cut all contact.

That same game I had a guy who wanted to play a mage guy with a sword. He chose the worst possible way of doing it and when I tried to help him make a not crippled character he kept yelling "muh character concept".

Later I tried joining a 4e game. The poor DM didn't have a great grasp on the system and the players were awful. Three of them were friends and it showed. All three were weeaboos and were obnoxiously public about it. Two of them even were playing their waifus. Luckily they didn't have time to talk about it because they were too busy spending both sessions crying about how they weren't playing 3.pf and how it is so much better even though they signed up for 4e. The GM was chased off after two sessions of that garbage.

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Somehow the Stars aligned for me

I started up a game on Roll20, on a whim. GURPS, Saturday afternoons MST, recruited from 4chan

I got FOUR rock solid players who showed up every week, ready to go and always having fun. I even got a FIFTH player recommended in who is AWESOME, and when one guy bowed out we all miss him and his PC ended up being written into the back story SO well

What gods did I curry the favor of accidentally?

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>>52616864
Love you too bro
*Internet hugs*

>>52617002
Xom

>>52617002
Is that a Hero Machine picture?

>>52617059
Yep. Hm3

I got bored at work, stumbled into it, and drew the party up

>>52616389
Most stories are fake.

>>52617010
I'm probably not the one you're thinking about, but thanks.

>>52617002
The secret is you're not playing D&D or PF

Why is it always DnD and PF?

>>52617239
Most popular game = most that guys

>>52617239
>Why is it always Marvel and DC?

>>52614976
You're very observant

I'm actually running a roll20 game using basic d&d (ok, Labyrinth Lord, close enough) with some minor houserules. Recruited some 40+ players, about 6 actually stayed.
Ther biggest problem is always the flakes. I'm always recruiting.

>>52617239
Frankly, 80-90% of d20 system games seem to attract freaks.
I'm a genuine grognard from the early 80ies, cut my teeth with BECMI in the very early 80ies as a child then moved on to AD&D and finally to 2nd Ed AD&D (now heavily houseruled, mind you).
I much prefer a more gygaxian fantasy world to the anime-style worlds and rule sets that I see nowadays.
But hey, I'm an old fart, so take this all with a grain of salt. Honestly, if rather see people sit down, in person, and socialize like the days of old over a good game.

>>52612720
>>Those people who apply with a race, class or feature you've SPECIFICALLY mentioned as not being available.

I'm getting so goddamn tired of these people. It's like they have some kind of uncontrollable infantile instinct to gravitate toward the things they're told they can't have. If there was no mention of it, I'm sure they would forget it exists and not bother with it.

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>>52617833
>forgot pic

>>52617077
Seriously. What happens most often is that the GM just turns down the bad applicants. Roll20 being some horrific den of scum and villainy where dreams go to die and anime pathfinder games reign supreme is for the most part a meme.

>>52617889
>This game will be set between the dwarven kingdoms and human lands. No elves, they're all on the moon.
>Oh hey, I was thinking about playing an elf, maybe I just got bored of the moon and teleported down to look around.
Every. Time.

>>52616827
The problem with 4chan groups is that they attract the kind of people who can't EVER FUCKING SHUT UP about 4chan, 4chan memes, and behave on every website the same way they do in 4chan.

I take using greentext outside of 4chan, using the word "cuck", or smug anime girl pics as red flags for someone with absolutely no self awareness. "Cuck" also applies to 4chan itself, but taking it to other websites requires a special kind of autism

>>52618582
What I always hated were the ones who couldn't shut the fuck up about /tg/ memes, specifically. Hectopeasants and peasant railguns and whatever stupid fucking build-of-the-week from their cancerous general thread. It's a red flag when a player tells me they want to try out a build they saw.

> Roll20 DM for my wife, my best friend, and his wife.
> friend's wife disses my DMing skills in front of the two most important folks in my life
> then when she gets KO'd due to confronting a tough monster, it looks like I did it in retaliation
> she is quick to accuse me of being petty
> friend is silent, my wife starts lecturing me privately about how I need to be nice
> make up some bullshit about how she isn't really KO, it was a magical stun weapon
> don't feel good about it.
> she gets back up, they sweep the adventure.
> all three say it was the best adventure they've ever played
> always question my ability now
> never dm again, which means we never play now.
> feels awful
what should I do, guys?

>>52619335
Try talking to her, and explain why her behaviour isn't cool. If that fails, ban her and tell your buddy that his wife's a bitch.

>>52619425
I have PTSD and I don't think I can work up the nerve to do that.

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>DM sets up game.
>Everybody else makes their characters and is ready on time.
>DM never shows.

Pretty much my experience with it.

>>52612720
>Those people who apply the day the first session starts
>Those people who apply without having read the application rules at all
>Those people who apply 30 minutes before the game starts and give you a character sheet breaking all the creation rules with no story

>>52619569
>Those people who apply with the same character they've played across dozens of different games

>>52614783
Its not as bad as people make it out to be.
You have shitty players sure but you're bound to find a group you like eventually. Just read the rules from the posts and put thought into your application and you'll get into most games you apply to.

Once you got a group its as functional as a normal tabletop with a bit extra, so it works fine.

>>52619465
Another option is not to game anymore. No game is better than bad games.

>>52615496
>They also only play 3.5/PF/5e, so if you sign up for something else chances are you will be safe from 90% of them.
And will find a player base numbering about...12.

>>52616864
Me too.

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There are some really retarded GMs in roll20

>Apply for a 5e game and manage to make the cut
>GM calls for a session 0 to go over everything
>Don't have much experience with session 0, but by the end of it, the party (5) all have character concepts and we've even begun building group dynamics, and flesh out how our characters interact with each other.
>Wind up playing gruff Old dwarf fighter, who acts as the groups quartermaster. Doesn't give his opinion unless asked, and acts as the party tie breaker in case in comes down to a vote.
>Generally enjoy the group dynamic, and the first session.
>GM has to bail and game dies after two sessions.
>Desperately try to contact the other players to get emails or anything so we could see if we couldn't rebuild for another game.
>Lose all contact
>Feel quite disappointed.

For the life of me, I don't understand why roll20 doesn't have a friends list.

As an aside, I winded up with a group out of Gamefinder, and we played Dark Heresy. The game lasted for a good 5-6 months, before it got killed because we had to break for christmas holidays. Everyone involved were pretty chill, and we all got along. Except for the guy who played the Psyker. Guy was fucking annoying as shit, and would always beg me to let him cast psychic powers on my character. I'd always shoot him down, cause fuck psychic powers. He at least was able to distinguish between IC and OOC whenever I'd have to threaten him with execution whenever his powers went haywire though, so I'll give him that.

>>52618582
I've only seen joke ">" and a round of size jokes whenever Bane is mentioned.

I had a good roll20 party. Sadly they were all europeans and it fell apart after a bit but it wasnt that bad

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What format do you guys use for player applications? I need a better method for weeding out the dregs.

>>52615400
That bit about gamefinder is good info, but where else would you find a game on /tg/ nowadays?

>have DnD experience, just not with 2E
>wanted to have a "revolving door" type of experience while playing a module where people could come and go as they please while I get acquainted with the system
>was originally going to do this in person with people with zero tabletop experience and who might only want to play a session or two
Could roll20 actually be a good platform for this? Newbies and aspies who are afraid of commitment can join for however long they like and see a portion of a published module; rules lawyers and grognards can leave without any guilt if they aren't patient with my newness towards the rules.

>>52619899
Living campaigns and its equivalents are shit.

>>52619769
Good fucking lord. That GM is a retard but the player should have dropped it.

>>52619914
I have to agree with this unless you personally know everyone and DM different sessions for different ppl.
In my experience it's only worked with people from the same group of friends just with different schedules.

>>52619994
GM was a retard and quit the game before the first die was even rolled. This was done after spending weeks hyping at how amazing his setting was.

>>52619769
This hurts me physically.

>>52619899
2e is my favorite system, though I houserule a good bit of it.
I have a word of warning about 2e:
Don't ever let a PC use a non-weapon proficiency as an excuse to skip role playing. For example, lets say the PC has the diplomacy NWP and wants to negotiate a truce between two groups, don't just let them make a diplomacy check and move on... It's bad form and takes away from the major reason we all play D&D: role playing

>>52619769
That was painful... I'd rather hammer my ball bag to the floor with a rusty rail spike than deal with that

>>52619769
>Tons of experience!

I honestly really like playing on roll20 but it feels so awkward to do with people I dont know that I often bail

>>52620045
'Muh homebrew setting' people are the worst.

>That player who cheats like a cunt, but the GM doesn't even seem like he cares
Why the fuck did I spend hours making sure I had everything down pat? Why shouldn't I just make up the effects of the next spell I cast on the spot?

>>52619854
I make my players post complete character sheets with finished backstories to ensure that they have a working understanding of the game and an acceptable level of writing skill.

On top of that I also check their profiles. People with no hours logged are either newbies which I don't want to deal with or smurf accounts because the player has a terrible reputation and needs to start over in hopes of getting into a game.

>>52620339
I later ran into the same dude as a player later on. Dude was a fucking scumbag special snowflake player that constantly cheated and whined when he didnt have the spotlight.

>>52608772
>"island of dr strange"
>everyone gets transformed into beast-men because of a strange gas!
>fighting honey slimes, meat-golems, sugar vines, etc
>uh oh a terrible curse descends on you that makes you feel hungry all the time and you have to make will saves or be compelled to eat!
>ha ha you're all overweight now!
>a dragon starts eating you guys one at a time, whole, putting on weight for the winter
>I was the DM

>>52619335
Seems like you did the right thing, as long as the group enjoyed it it is hard to say you did a bad job.

I had a player who played DOTA while we were playing. That game didn't last long. Other than that, standard shit, either poor/new roleplayers who don't know what the fuck they're doing or people just not showing up.

>>52614783
Roll20 is fine, the problem is that the really good groups are hard to find, since they tend to stick together for a while, due to the fact that good groups are hard to find. I'm currently playing in 2 campaigns that have gone on for years, and we all met on roll20. That being said, I've tried to join tens of dozens of campaigns that either never start or don't last longer than the first session, for one reason or another.

Amazing things can be found on roll20, but you gotta be prepared to look and sift through the trash.

>>52621246
This. The majority of players who do public listings and join public games are there because they're problem players who keep getting kicked out, so they float from game to game. Good games don't get advertised because they don't want to attract bad players, and because they've already got a good group.

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>Join a group, generally excited.
>Chat up the guy who started it, says that he is deciding how he wants to run the game. Tell him that I have experience running the system and would be happy to help him out or even run the game if he lets me know.
>Two weeks pass, game day.
>Show up to session 45 minutes beforehand.
>"Oh yeah anon, by the way, can you run the game for us? I tried to ask you last night but when I tried to send the email clicking send just wouldn't work lol"

The looking for GM guys are the scum of the earth. Of course I was not going to run a game with about half an hour or even a day of prep time, but I suppose that it is all the same for these people.

>>52620642
This story is literally still in the catalogue, at least wait until it archives to blatantly rip it

>>52621403
Jesus, they even stoop as low as tricking someone into GMing for them. Fucking pathetic.

>>52619769
It hurts. I remember actually being in a game with OOC. After he politely pointed out that a nat 1 on a save is a automatic failure to a problem player, said problem player flipped out and insisted that he had never played that way and that it wasn't in the rules.

Well I got one "horror" story out of the dozens of good games I had. Seriously roll20 is fine and a good site to find players if you're not playing a retard-bait.

> Be me, start a group on roll20
> Couple guys join, they seem okay
> One player chats me up quite often out of game
> First introductory session happens without any real issues
> Between first and second session a 2nd player keeps trying to steer the conversation in a way that annoys me
> Shut him down a couple times, 4th time I give him an ultimatum to stop this shit or he's out
> After the 4th time this happens while talking with player 1 again I tell him to "bait" the 2nd player into him antagonizing me again
> I realize what sort of shitty thing I just asked of player 1 so I decide to have a talk with player 2
> I ask player 2 if he'd be able to stop his attitude, he tells me that it's because of his tragic upbringing and how IRL I'd know that he's just joking
> I decide to avoid any further trouble and tell him that I'm not comfortable with him continuing this sort of behaviour so I ask him to leave
> He tells me that I've betrayed him. I gave him an ultimatum that he didn't break and I kicked him nevertheless.

Seriously that guy was a complete pain in the ass. His replacement on the other hand, now that's a good player. He waited until the end of the session to point out a wrong use of a rule because he didn't want to be "that guy" and he's seen people use it the way we did as a houserule.

>>52621423
but it's so gooood

>capcha: click the lobster
>trees, tires, mountains, no lobster
>click one of each
>it fuckin works

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>My character has a black and red color scheme!
Oh good, it's yet another edgelord, my favorite.

>>52619657
This one I don't have a problem with, as long as they realize that none of that characters past experiences mean anything.

>>52619769
Does the DM have an extra chromosome.

>>52616389
>>52617077
>>52617969
It's not like people are going to go into "That guy" threads and talk about normal, boring experiences they had

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>show up ten minutes before game begins
>no one is there
>twenty minutes later
>DM arrives
>ten minutes pass
>one player shows up, leaves
>two hours later
>another player shows up, 'forgot' for the 3rd time in a row

How fucking hard is it to show up in time?

> apply to non-pathfinder games
> get invited
> gm flakes / ghosts / game isn't as advertised
> apply to pathfinder games with modules and longer application periods
> get completely ignored

It hasn't been a wild ride at all.

>>52619335
If you're afraid of people being upset with you, you probably shouldn't GM.

No I only play with IRL friends.

Roll20 has been a real pos lately because the video cals keep fucking up and we have to constantly reconnect to get them to work.

>>52624834
>How fucking hard is it to show up in time?
Quite easy when you don't give a shit about anyone else.

>>52619465
Talk to your wife about it instead, as long as she understands from your perspective of what happened, she could help defuse the situation if it were to happen again. If your wife backs up your DMing skills and decisions it could ease some tension.

I was almost a horror story to my players my first session.

>show up to the game with plenty of time to spare
>the router has melted
>scramble to jury-rig a solution, finally dig an old one out of storage
>log on an hour and a half late
>people are still around
>apologize profusely, but run it anyway

>"That was a really great session anon. Looking forward to next week."

And we've been playing for two and a half years since.

>>52624834

impossible when you don't actually give a shit about the game and are just popping in late to save face when really you want to quit but don't want to look like an asshole doing it. which literally your whole group is doing.

>>52616968
>playing their waifus
EVERY FUCKING TIME

>>52619769
Yeah, i have played with guys like this.

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>Start gming because I got tried of the 20+ games that never went anywhere
>Will always run the game I have plan if I do take a week off Iet them know why ahead of time.
>Do my best to work on something that is simple and easy for the players to understand and something I enjoy
>Do my best to work with my players even if it means I have to be honest thus "rude"
>Still feels like I'm not very good but so not sure if someone leaves is because I'm bad or what.

I don't care if I'm bad but I ask each player to let me know if something is wrong and out of all of them who have dropped or never showed up has failed to do so outside of one saying that he wanted more combat.

>>52624834

I don't get it either anon. Habitual lateness is one of the reasons why I killed my game. It might not be yours, but in my experience though the players that are late or continuously miss sessions are the ones that are either unemployed or on welfare.

>>52625569

I've had it the other way around. In one of my games the only person to ever be late or no-show was also the only with a job. He didn't flake because of his job mind you, but because he had everything in his life nailed to a set schedule and anything going wrong threw his whole day off. Game Time was the first thing to go when he needed to catch up. The rest of us had nothing else to do all day so we were always around.

>>52625569
I just had to remove a player who started to work at a bank or something and would either not show up or all or show 2 hours later every other week at first I was thinking he didn't care but when he *does* show it seems like he was pretty alright guy so I keep him much longer then I would with anyone else. I did tell him if he gets thing fixed and can make it I keep a spot for him.

>>52625678
kept*

I'm happy to say that I have lovely players and my horror stories were always just 'the GM never showed up and the game fell apart' or 'the game was incredibly mediocre and boring and I left'

I'm afraid this
>>52625678
is about to happen to one of my players though

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>try to jump into a Mage the Awakening game from Game Finder thread, game falls apart in two weeks without so much as a session 0

oh

>try to play in a MU game but drama explodes the entire 40 person game apart

oh...

>go into a roll20 game of Exalted then
>It is a game hosted by Walram and two sessions in they're switching to Maid RPG

ooooooOOOOOOOOOHHH NOOOOOOOOOO

>>52608772
For my first roll20 game I started a group as assistant DM with a DM that had never played before let alone DMed.
We started with 10 people, us included, we assumed that, because internet, we would lose at least half that due to flakes and problem players...

we only lost 3, leading to a 7 man party for a first time player/DM.
we had weekly fun for several months till we lost the DM due to time constraints, 3 years later the group has lost some and gained some and is currently 5 players strong alternating between 2 DMs and campaigns every week since. (the DMs became players on the off weeks)

>>52608772

No cause I play with close friends and we generally have a pretty good time :)

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>>52618582
>tfw you're part of the problem
>tfw you use memes when you don't know how to express your thoughts or make conversation
How the fuck do I fix this?

>>52614546
Kicked, banned, character burned at the stake.

>>52619335
>playing with women
HAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHHAHAHAHOOOOHOOOOOHEEEEEHEHEHEHEHEHEHE

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>>52608772

>>52618582

Cuck is a pretty good red flag for insufferable cunt though

Memers are just the culture of the internet though

>>52625569
>>52625634
>>52625678
>tfw my group is all old friends and we never start on time even when everyone is on time.
Feels pleasant lads

>>52626625
Go outside.

>>52626625
laugh uncontrollably, and ask them if they want to meet up irl

My story is boring but imma tell it anyway.

>make campaign and setting based on M&B's Calradia for Riddle of Steel
>make it clear the game will be a bit on the gritty side, no real "magic" outside folk rituals and superstitions that might not actually have any real power
>put listing up on LFG, don't expect much
>get one interested party, never played RoS but willing to learn
>things looking hopeful
>get two more interested parties
>both of them insist I port the game to Pathfinder
>nope
>get one more interested player
>he too insists on Pathfinder
>drop game completely, apologize to first player, delete listing

Who does that? Who goes into a game advertising one system just to insist they play something else?

>>52627958
Was it 5e?

>>52628324
>for Riddle of Steel
I dunno man, was it?

>>52628324
See
>>52628348

Also I should note this was a couple of years ago, back before D&DNext was even a thing and roll20 was in that weird Pathfinder boom where the whole "not Pathfinder/3.5 not interested" bullshit was at its highest.

>>52621246
>>52621291
Yeah, it's tough. Right now we have one player who just shits on everybody's fun every turn he gets. The rest of the party members are too awkward to speak up, and the GM only cares about no one fighting openly. Passive-aggressive bullshit and constant pettiness are completely fine, apparently.

At present, I'm thinking I'll just wait until people inevitably begin quitting the game without saying anything, and then give the GM a dressing down about exactly why this happened.

>>52627958
Fuck those people.
"I am looking for people to x"
>hey am interested, but can we do Y?

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>join a text-based Roll20 game with strangers
>for some reason Roll20 defaults to having voice turned on
>one guy is having a pre-game fap and everyone can hear him
>someone tells him via text his mic is on
>"no it's not"
>he then goes right back to fapping

>>52629898
He was getting off to the idea you can all hear him fap.

>>52620351
>I make my players post complete character sheets with finished backstories to ensure that they have a working understanding of the game and an acceptable level of writing skill.

This is generally a good filter. Also, make them demonstrate their understanding of time zones.

>>52626205
>first game
>10 players

shiiieeet, son

>>52629951
>Also, make them demonstrate their understanding of time zones.
Jesus Christ, THIS.

AMERIFATS: FRIDAY NIGHT AT SIX IN UTC+09:00 IS NOT FRIDAY NIGHT AT SIX ANYWHERE ANY OF YOU LIVE.

>>52627958
You made the right call. Players who want to force the DM to change the game to something they want are the worst.

>clearly advertise the game as X
>they want Y
Why the fuck did you even join then?

>>52616866
>names not description
>we play gurps

>>52618582
>>52627544
>tfw your country has been using cuck as an insult for longer than your has existed
Ill keep using it, the objective is to annoy you cuckboy.

>>52629982
fuck you it's always friday night for me

>>52629982
>tfw you'd be that amerifat

feelsbadman

>>52629735
Why not do it before then? This just sounds like you're too pussy to speak up.

>>52630612
The GM has already made his position clear, and as far as I'm concerned, he deserves to have the game fall apart. Given his age, this can't possibly be the first time this has happened, so if the game hasn't fallen apart yet, he probably thinks it's fine, and my words will fall on deaf ears.

>>52624928
Ew. Why would you use Roll20 voice or cam at all? It's straight up garbage.

>>52629982
If you niggers would just communicate in American Standard Time, like civilized people, there wouldn't be a problem.

>>52631008
>American Standard Time
Which one of the four US time zones would that be?

>>52631041
>four
I make mistake. It's 17, not 4.

>>52608772
>Join ambitious 5e game
>apparently there are 5 groups playing in the same setting
>GM has us start in a town so generic I forgot the name of it
>party is filled with half-orcs and catfolk, should have quit then and there
>People have been disappearing, check it out
>in broad daylight on main street, kobolds attack
>turns take FOREVER due to the monsters being controlled by another player and general modern D&Dness
>2 hours into the session GM calls it early
>The entire campaign stops, GM sends a message that his wife conviced him that the project was too ambitious and time consuming and that he should help looking after his newborn son.

>>52631068
Some fucking people, holy shit.

>>52631068
>and general modern D&Dness
Unless your party is nothing but shield battlemasters and bards I don't know what you are talking about.
>monsters being controlled by another player
Protip: use averages unless it's an interesting monster/boss/lone encounter.

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>>52631068
>>The entire campaign stops, GM sends a message that his wife conviced him that the project was too ambitious and time consuming and that he should help looking after his newborn son.

That's both hilarious and commendable at the same time.

>First time playing D&D in forever, want to go again
>Friend wants me to join a game, I do so
>Make a cool Drow thief with interesting morals
>Get put in the middle of the fucking wilderness
>Random encounter gets us some ugly bug monster
>Nearly all of us die
>Spend next two hours wandering through empty squares with new characters I have no attachment to
>Find a dungeon, enter it, call it for the day
>"Finally we can get what we came for and leave and do something interesting besides wander the fucking woods"
>Spend the next two session wandering around shitty stone corridors and fighting seemingly random monsters
>Finally find what seems like a boss room
>We nearly all die to some fucking cyclops bastard
>Look for thing we came for
>Can't find it
>Literally make perception checks to look for thing or something besides a shitty chest filled with 300 gold
>Finally just fucking ask the DM where it is so we can move on with our fucking lives
>I can still hear his smug fucking voice and just see the goddamn smile on even if we were on Discord
>"Just cause you found a dungeon doesn't mean it's the dungeon you NEED"
I literally just logged off right there. Anytime a DM mentions "survival elements" I leave the game right there. I never want to worry about backbacks and carryweight and food again.

>>52620351
I like that method, but it only really works for D20 and games with strangers, and even then, as a DM I prefer making it at the table so we can work out backstories as a group.

>>52619657
>That one player who doesn't actually make their own character, and just brings in some template from a "creation guide" that makes them absurdly overpowered but leaves them with no understanding of the rules and they're stupid character made only for combat flounders.

>>52625432
Anon you are an amazing person, as a fellow GM all it takes is to be extremely patient but firm on your decisions with players and it sounds like your doing a great job.

Don't let players get to you if they leave for whatever reason.

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>DMing a 5e game
>did a subpar puzzle
>mfw at the autistic player's response after realizing it wasn't entirely logical

>>52624814
Tranny that initially posed as a woman. 2nd gm from diff game believed he was a grill till the day he changed his skype pic to an irl pic and the gm proceeded to gtfo thus killing a second campaign.

>>52624834
I don't get it either, the only time I've missed a session is because my computer broke and I literally couldn't join for 3 weeks

>>52631765
Response?

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>>52631858

>>52631913
I forget legit autists play these games. Maybe because I only play in person with others so they try to keep their cool.

>>52631913
It can't be that bad.

>>52631804
>gm runs away over stupid reason
Wrong that guy.

>>52632188
The gm probably felt immense shame after all that cringy flirting only to see the what the creature looked like.

>>52632223
>Thinking having sex with a trans person is shameful
Tell me, how fun is it in 1995? Think Bret Hart is gonna get the push he deserves?

>>52632223
Nobody mentioned flirting.

>>52632260
Did you enjoy sucking on her feminine penis?

>>52632302
I don't know, maybe you should suck my own. Heck, I plan on getting rid of these testes some day, do you wand them sewn inside your mouth so you can taste them whenever you want?

>>52632334
Awwwe, someone's been accidentally taking test instead of estrogen.

>>52632260
Why wouId want a deformed inferior man?

>>52632260
Disgusting tranny detected

>>52615252
I tried it once too, but I left without notice after 5 great sessions because my mom got evicted from her home and RPG's just slipped my mind for a while.

>>52632390
Guilty as charged, darling.

Ill just put it out there that like 70+% of roll20 horror stories often involve some sort of deranged tranny demanding people give them special treatment or take offense due to some other player accidentally triggering them.

Personally I've been to not one but three THREE roll20 games where one player more or less explodes because some other guy didnt adress them as a female.

I mean come on dude, I dont care if youve been walking around in drag for the past decade, it still doesnt help us see your dress through the internet.

>>52632474
We get it, you like masturbating while wearing ., can we move on?

>>52630285
I felt bad for you, so here's a (You). I know it's a little late, but I wanted to recognize your effort. Someday you'll find that special someone that replies in earnest!

>>52632452
Gross! People like you should be thrown off high places

>>52632474

I've never heard any stories like this, do you have any to share with us?

>>52632500
I'd love to join the mile high club. Care to join?

>>52632474

I have a feeling these are text only games?

Like, every voice roll20 game I've been in has been decent. But the texts ones always bring out the freaks.

>>52632514
Just play roll20 pubs for a couple of months and youll have a lot of first hand experiences

Oh god I wandered into /pol/ by mistake.

>>52632577
Mostly on text only but one or two try to "pass" on voice and get pissy when other people refer to them as male.

Really, I think the best way to filter these guys out is go video+voice

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>>52632474
citation needed
Pic related. It's you.

>>52632260
Nothing changed in the past three decades since 95 to make it less disgusting desu

>>52632610
Does it really hurt you that much to use a different pronoun?

>>52632655

What happens if I stab a person with a shiv made out of healing crystals?

>>52632679
Depends on the power of the healing crystal
In real life, they just die.

>>52632678
Does it really hurt to declare your desire to be referred as female rather than assume everyone has internet gaydar rather than going by what they hear?

>>52632600
>every opinion that isnt braindead /d/ worship is /pol/

Actually that greentext may be true considering this boards long and sordid history with /d/ but every day I grow more bored and disgusted with that slimy attitude. I didn't used to look down on trans....

>>52632679
Well it depends on if we calculate damage first or second.

I find I don't really have an attention span for text games. The back and forth just takes to long, and I lose focus. If I wanted to do text, I'd probably just try to find a play by post.

I mean sure, I suppose for some it can be awkward. But I don't accept that it "breaks immersion" as an argument. You just gotta move past it, otherwise the game just moves at a snails pace. But maybe that's some peoples thing.

>>52632700
They assumed they passed.
Overall, this situation could have been resolved easily:
"he" "actually am trans" "okay"

>>52632678
Does it really hurt to hear the wrong pronoun?

>>52632732
Yeah.

>>52632717
>"WAHHH WHY DO YOU NOT SHARE MY HATRED OF TRANNIES YOU /d/ICKSUCKERS
ITT: Stupidity.

>>52632723
I don't like text games because some people just type way too slow to keep up or you have to truncate everything to keep the pace moving. Not like anyone goes into elaborate explanations if we're using VOIP but goddamn.

>>52632751
Grow up baby.

>>52632732
Yes. Much more than it hurts to use the right one.
See: Gender dysphoria. Don't take my word for it, take the DSM-V or wait for the ICD-11 to come out.

>>52632754
Yeah, I can see that. I will admit, using text, you're able to get more across as far as personality is concerned by throwing in things before and after dialog that someone might not be able to convey properly via voice.

It's just not engaging enough for me to sit and wait for other players, and/or GMs to respond to what's going on.

>>52632790
When you equate words to violence, it allows people to justify violence to words.

>>52632732

You're asking if a mentally ill person gets upset after being called out on their bullshit.

Yes, yes it does. Because you're shattering their delusion, you're speaking a truth they don't wish to hear.

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>>52608772
not really a horror story but this happened to me during only war

>>52632730
More like "dude" "IM A WOMAN" "oh my mistake I thought you sounded kind of like a guy" "YOU ARE A FUCKING BIGOT REEEEE" "chill out miss my bad" "[Autistic screeching]"

>>52632852
Did Dirge Dieded?

>>52632874
no but the thing i was shooting at sure as fuck did

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>>52632852

>exploding dice

>>52632822
I'm not doing that. I'm saying that words can hurt too.
Though now that you mention it, bullying someone until they kill themself is worse than slapping a pro wrestler.

>>52632872
Yeah, that isn't particularly pleasant.

>>52632913
I hope these trannies kill themselves asap just so the world can begin healing itself

>>52632753
>mentally unstable people that are validated cause problem
>proceeds to prove it
Every time.

>>52632941
Are you sure? We might be the only chance you have to fuck a woman.

>>52632898
Best and also worst mechanic.

>>52632913
Those are two different things, and you should make the distinction. When a person uses the wrong pronoun, and the response is "look at how victimized I am, and how much bigotry and violence is thrown towards the trans community" You get people who will try, and succeed, at equating not using proper pronouns to "verbal violence", which others will then be able to justify violence against people using words.

verbal bullying until suicide is not the same thing as using the wrong pronouns.

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>>52608772

>Never played anything that wasn't a d20 system, look for something new
>Join a listing for an AdEva game
>GM seems fine, nothing too terrible for character creation
>Get 4-5 players pretty quick, everyone gets to know each other
>Have to fight someone for the Berserker role, comes down to trading backstories and a high-stakes rock-paper-scissors match
>Session 1
>GM disappears
>Have to take over GMing because nobody else will and I don't want to see the characters go to waste


>Join a Pirate game with a friend
>Game is described to be "A whimsical adventure on the high seas"
>Yeah, sure, whatever. Plundering ahoy
>Make character
>Session One
>We are tasked with escorting Lionell Messi out of a city called "Soccer Island"
>30 minutes in, nothing happens, nobody does anything
>GM says the party stops as someone wants an autograph
>15 minutes later
>GM says the party continues on
>Friend and I leave

>Mfw both of these are /tg/ stories instead of Roll20 stories

>>52632584
So in other words you're full of shit

>>52632822
>t. antifa
Hurry up and attack a real neo nazi group instead of ganging up on old people and women.

>>52633023
Nah it just means you are a tranny in denial that you arent an unslighty blight in civilized society.

>>52608772
I occasionally recruit from the forums for a game that is otherwise made up of long term friends. While I haven't had anything horrible, I have seen my share of weirdos.

>Australian bloke who immediately goes balls to the wall edgelord, then vanishes for six months and pretends like it's no big deal when he gets back
>Autistic guy who constantly mutters to himself over his mic, even after we point it out, and starts repeating everything that I say, very quietly, to himself
>Dude who disregards all the setting information and lore I have given him to read (It's not even that much, like 4-5 pages of cliffnotes) and starts going on and on about how he wants to play a four armed race because he was recently playing DCSS and he likes the four armed race
>Redneck plumber who would talk for hours on end about his shitty, boring life, then completely ignore the game whenever combat wasn't happening, except for the odd occasion when he would go full edgelord
>Ultrasperg who immediately took great pains to explain that he was socially crippled, then proceeded to message me a dozen times over the course of 30 minutes about pointless bullshit, including all the characters he had built, the latest cartoon he was watching, what his autistic friend was up to, and other such things, and continued this trend of sperging all over me until I was forced to block him
>Landwhale who dived into her leather-clad magical realm on the second session (After not paying attention for most of the first session) and had to be politely asked to leave

But I've found good players as well. The ratio has been about 5:1 subhuman garbage to actually decent players, and generally the decent players will be able to draw from an existing pool of other decent players or friends, so it works out. Overall, I'd say the LFG gets too much flak, but you do have to be prepared to sift through trash like >>52612720

I think the way almost everyone asks for a character concept with the application is a terrible idea and has something to do with a lot of campaigns going poorly. It seems like a much better idea to ask questions about the players themselves, and work out character stuff as a group afterward. The one I have joined that did that has certainly turned out better those who focus on character stuff first. What does asking that right away even accomplish, other than a balance of classes or interesting concepts that any half decent group will hash out together anyway?

>>52633039
Wait, what? Are you saying I'm antifa?

My statement directly rationalizes (and demonizes) the actions Antifa choose to use.

>>52617303
bruh catch me by that Aspen section

not really but the covers always catch my eye

>>52633058
>Get's called out for bullshit
>Hurls insults instead of providing proof otherwise
More shit than Games Workshop in this buddy

>>52615556
It's not. Their autism will be -just- different enough from yours to make the two of you incompatible.

>>52633077
>>Landwhale who dived into her leather-clad magical realm

I'm not sure I follow this one.

>>52633083
Because it's not group therapy session. Also, no one wants to waste the first sessions to get a party going unless it's explicitly listed they will do precisely that. Is it really such a stretch to assume everyone's on the same page and have characters ready? I don't think so.

>>52633168
DM who presumably had a fetish for leather and stuck it into their games.

>>52633208
>DM
Pretty sure it's clearly a player.

>>52633207
Well, of course you should state you're doing things that way, especially when it's the minority. But not filtering for decent people is just asking for That Guys.

>>52633207
>Is it really such a stretch to assume everyone's on the same page and have characters ready? I don't think so.
You have a lot of faith in mankind.

Having a session 0, allows everyone to get together before game time, and get the awkwardness of first sessions out of the way. It also allows the discussion of what the individual players are looking for in a game, so the GM can tailor more so everyone can get enjoyment from the game. It also allows everyone to go over the "theme" or "setting" so you don't wind up with really out there character concepts all in the same place. You're able to create a universal standard, that everyone can then work off, so everything can be unique, but still "fit" in the game.

I'd personally much prefer losing one game session in order to build for a more coherent group that doesn't fall apart in three sessions, because they've already been able to establish some kind of investment in their characters, that aren't necessarily directly personal to the character alone.

>>52633327
And if someone in that zeroth session starts acting like an asshat, you can kick them pretty much immediately.

>>52633083
Sup anon hows that 90% rejection rate working out for you?

>>52633397
Also this, yeah. The little sweet spot is if you can get all the players together BEFORE the "first" session to do session 0 so you don't have to wait a further week until actual game time.

>>52633449
Why do I care about a stranger's character before the campaign starts?

>start roll20 game
>6 people
>everyone seems great
>trying to incorporate new homebrew elements with forgotten realms elements
>told it's a lot of fun, players show up every week at agreed time
>no problems really, two players dropped at the beginning because they didn't like my style but I added two personal friends as players
>otherwise anonymous group but they were hungry for a game
>meshes well, everyone gets along
>campaign has been going on since September

>start to notice some problems in the past month
>that have been there all along it seems
>two players are perfect, honestly would not trade them for anyone, great RPers and love every moment of the campaign, flesh out their characters well and consistently surprise me
>my friends are good players, one of them is shy but she seems to have a good niche in the game, other player dropped some racial slurs and was too /pol/ until I sat him down and told him to knock it off, he understood and has been excellent since then
>the two problem players are honestly not bad, but it is getting to the point where it is irritating and I have received PMs on the behaviors
>one player insists his character wants to fuck everything he sees and is lewd too often to be comfortable. He is great 75% of the time, 10% of the time he is a murderhobo, 10% of the time I can hear his family and the volume is ridiculous that I have to ask him to mute his mic when he isn't speaking, and 5% of the time he is needlessly crass
>other player is well tempered most of the time, but she tends to hog the spotlight sometimes which includes barging in on conversations in different languages, breaking off from the group to talk alone with her familiar, and insisting certain actions should have bonus effects that we didn't agree upon (most notably an incident where she insisted that an ultroloth should catch fire despite the fact her glaive just does fire damage)
>her wife is also annoying as fuck for too many reasons

Is it worth confronting them?

>>52633482
Just be polite about it; they seem to just be decent players with some slight problems that I'm sure they don't notice. I'd say do it before next session starts, privately, both 1-1. These seem like very preventable behaviors that, once talked about, will either be consciously or unconsciously reduced.

>>52633546
Right. I like them a lot, and we all get along great. I've had FAR worse players, and they at least make a concerted effort to role play and most of the time they are very good. I don't want to implicate any other players for fear of them looking sideways at everyone's avatar wondering who had a problem with them. But I want to make it clear that I'm not being ridiculous if they get defensive.

>>52633482
Yes. A polite sit down with some expectations to "tone it down, I don't want this perfect thing to crash and burn" is both reasonable and understandable. Just maybe go over how you plan on addressing to make sure you get all your ducks in a row before sitting down with them to talk about it.

>in roll20 game
>one player writes music for the party
>another player bought the GM the $70 subscription because he liked the game so much
>everyone is always on time
>not a single problem
>DM writes an awesome campaign that makes all of us feel like a hero, is a long spanning adventure with character development, mystery, horror, humor, and drama
>DM paid like $100 for a party illustration

Literally the only complaint is that encounter difficulty is rarely consistent. We fought a hoard of ghouls at level 8 or 9 and didn't take a single point of damage, then later that dungeon we all fell unconscious at least once because the cavern was collapsing and we had to take turns dragging each other out before we were buried alive

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Not really an horror story in itself, but fuck me the LFG forum fills me with disgust. The level of entitlement of these people is unbelievable, and you see dozens of post like that every day.

>>52633834
See, I personally wouldn't have a problem with that normally, but you just know they're going to want to dictate everything about how the game is run and what the story is. Like, none of you fuckers would step up, you already lost the chance to make the game.

>>52633782
Honestly I like that. It feels good to be hero-y heroes and just wipe the floor with the bad guys occasionally. As long as there is challenge somewhere, it's fine.

>>52633834
>maybe even be our friend
>new players looking for capable GM
>would rather not have all the learning to do beforehand
>someone please step up

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>>52634205
The most millenial post on roll20 ever

>>52608772
Not really a horror story but

>make game on there
>describe the setting and its people as very religious
>guy sends me a sheet
>characters backstory is all about being an ultra atheist who is smarter than the stupid religious people
>reject him

>>52634293
How can you make an atheist character in a setting where gods are real

>>52634205
>>would rather not have all the learning to do beforehand

I strongly disagree with this mindset in general. If you don't have the time to dedicate to read at least parts of the Player's Guide or whatever it shows you have zero investment on your end. I can't really give you a breakdown of a roleplaying system without disrupting the game flow.

>>52634395
I guess in that context, it would be just denying their divinity, not their existence

>>52619769
>autism_speaks.png
wow, that's a thing that happened

>>52634473
that and couple the fact that they aren't willing to put in time themselves, but are in fact asking for a capable GM to carry them

>futuristic games involving only humans

>muh dwarf monk

>>52616389
I tried to do something when I was a co-GM, but you don't have power to kick problem players and the GM was weak-willed. And that's why all the good players left and he was left with concentrated diarrhea.

>>52616389
Nah, my experience with roll20 is generally great. I had 1 actually bad player and a couple weird/undesirable ones out of 60/70 ish over the years.

Any tips on how to start digital DMing? Tried it out with tabletop sim but eh we didnt get the feel for it the first time 'round

Been with the same DM for the past 2 years but kinda feel like I want to go back to DMing a bit, maybe some small time stuff, perhaps some smaller 1shots where players can come and go on a weekly basis depending on their roster

>>52617239
Because folks usually start ttrpg with those systems, and never leave. Lots of those players are shitters.

>>52633482
>too /pol/
Every player that joins my games is /pol/ personified.

>>52634838
Tabletop sim is shit for DMing honestly, no convenient way to write notes or character sheets.

>>52634644
No, its being an insufferable faggot... and trust me i know faggots

t. gayanon

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>>52620346
>the GM actually houserules things to work in that player's favor
>allows things that benefit the player, then disallows them immediately, but doesn't take them away from the player

I've seen some stupid shit.

>>52634950
got any better alternatives other then just skype/discord?

quite curious to how D&D beyond will turn out

>>52635032
...Can you give an example? That seems.. Strange.

>>52632993
I didn't equate them. I used an example of words hurting someone.

>>52615252
Our game was pretty fun. It dissolved naturally when our schedules started getting heavier and a couple players had to leave due to personal issues.

>>52633482
If your players can't behave like adults when you bring up minor issues with their behavior, are they worth playing with?

>>52633782
That sounds amazing anon. I'm happy for you.

>>52633000
Why not just have two berserkers?

>>52635032
Key thing to being a good GM is also consistency. Do your asspulls, but if you codify them they've become part of the rules now and there are no take backs.

>>52633207
It's not group therapy. It's a session zero, meant to gauge the compatibility of the group and find out what they want.

>>52635771
That's not the same thing as not calling someone "she".

>>52635821
Well, key to being a good GM is also being able to say things like "sorry guys, back then I said improvised molotovs dealt 1d10 fire damage, but I'm nerfing them to 1d4+1" or whatever.

Unless you're playing with retards or constantly going "wait, no, the previous option was better" it shouldn't be an issue.

>>52632965
>(('woman'))

>>52635916
Did you read my comment? I was NOT saying that both situations are equally terrible. I'm saying that words CAN potentially hurt someone, especially in this situation.

>>52619899
I don't know if you're still there but if you are and your games will be in euro weekend times i want in

>>52635724
>player asks to be fleshwarped for a +4 and 2 -2 after rolling 3 18s for stats, a roll nobody could find in the logs
>out the gate with a 24 in dex
>"Yeah, that's kinda overpowered. Nobody else can do it."

>player decides you can take 10 on Knowledge (local) or diplo to know everything that is happening in town in real time as long as you can get a 20 on the check
>GM okays this

>lied about rolling for stats, and the GM wouldn't check the logs
>everybody else checked the logs, found nothing

>player will roll, then demand information, even when the roll isn't applicable at all.
>GM doesn't know the system well enough after 2 years to know you can't do that
>doesn't respond when told you can't do that

He just made so many allowances, but wouldn't make common sense rulings for others.

>>52636340
And what I was saying is that it was a bad example. Unless you surround yourself with people who refuse to use your pronouns, then I have to ask, why you would do that? But even then, those two things are not comparable. Not calling someone "she" and telling somebody to fucking kill themselves aren't the same thing.

>>52636378
That's balls. I weep for your games. If you're still playing together, tell the GM to nut up.

>>52636402
How about this, then: Using the wrong pronouns is like calling someone a beaner, or a monkey. That can hurt.

>>52636138
Stop replying to him, he's deluded himself to the point that he believes he is
a) a woman;
b) sexually desirable;
c) capable of holding a valuable opinion;

None of which are true.

You're right, transsexuals aren't woman. But this is a roll20 horror story thread, not a surgery or hookup horror story thread.

>>52636434
No, I left a long time ago. A friend is still there for shiggles. It was a living campaign. The original died, the next iteration died, and now that player isn't in the third. It's just open ERP, apparently.

>>52636445
It isn't. And no matter how badly you want to join those maligned by racism in the venerated victim class, being referred to by a pronoun you do not prefer will not place you among them.

>>52636553
This is a different Anon then who you've been speaking with, but they make a pretty valid point. What you suggest again, isn't comparable.

>>52636553
All right, then. We'll just sy that using the wrong pronoun "is offensive". Happy? No comparisons were made.

>>52636553
You don't decide what is offensive and what isn't.

>>52636553
It is.
Generally, they offend about the same.

>>52636774
But then you act as if that is a valid criticism. It's not. Just because you are offended by something, doesn't mean that what was said is wrong, or should not have been said.

>>52636832
Just because you are offended by being called n idiot, doesn't mean that...
You can substitute any slur you like.

>>52636832
necessarily wrong*

>>52636872
Not exactly sure the point you're trying to make with that statement. Could you re-clarify?

>>52636774
Sucks to be you man.

>>52636911
1.That you are not the sole arbiter of what is and is not offensive.
2."X is offensive" is a valid criticism in the same way that "X is an asshole" is.

>>52634838
Play a few games online and talk to the DM?
Your bunch of one-shots plan seems a good way to go. stick an add on just now and i'll sign up, I've not played simce 2e and want to get back into it.

>>52636949
1. I never said I was. But boiling down the argument to "It's offensive" is not a valid reason why something should necessarily not be done. It's a pretty clear line. My freedom of speech, does not end, where your feelings begin.

Now to perfectly clarify. If someone were to ask me to use some pronouns, fine. I don't give a shit. But when it is forced upon me that I MUST use these pronouns or suffer legal recourse, then no. Fuck your shit. You are not allowed to dictate what I can, and cannot say, just like I'm not allowed to dictate what you would say.

2. So it's not. Like, at all.

>>52636445
But that's not wrong either.

>>52637010
I am allowed to force you not to use racial slurs. Your freedom of speech ends where the law begins.
If you want to get technical, trans people suffer from "gender dysphoria". Their gender identity does not match with their biological sex. This is incredibly distressing. Using the wrong pronoun makes it worse.
Yes, the only medically-recognized cure is transition.

>>52632600
Oh god I wandered into /lgbt/ by mistake.

>>52637085
But that's wrong you ugly slut.

Gender dysphoria is a mental illness, and mutilating yourself does not cure it. Tumblr will say otherwise, but never trust Tumblr.

>>52637085
>I am allowed to force you not to use racial slurs.
No you're not.
>trans people suffer from "gender dysphoria
Yes, they have a mental disorder that causes them to identify as the opposite gender.
>only medically-recognized cure is transition
Therapy and possibly medication. Not necessarily transitioning with the intent for gender reassignment surgery.

>>52637154
Don't trust Tumblr? Okay. Trust the DSM-V, the ICD-10, the American Psychiatric Association, the American Pediatric Association, almost all published science on the subject...

>>52637173
Are you literally retarded? Show me the studies that show that "medication" works for this. No, really. Bring your half baked psuedoscience and I will show you how low your IQ is.

>>52637213
Yes because cutting your dick off is definitely the cure to delusions of being the opposite gender.

>>52637241
That isn't how SRS works. Fellate a cactus.

>>52637213
There's a caveat there, but since I don't have it on hand, I'll retract it. But simply citing that GRS is the only "cure" sets a bad precedent.

>>52637281
his obviously talking about gender reassignment surgery you dense cunt.

>>52614783
Roll20 is good if you're willing to sift through piles of shit to find some very valuable gems, but don't feel discouraged when only one out of ten games works out or isn't shit.

Delicious sources!
https://www.nytimes.com/2016/07/27/health/who-transgender-medical-disorder.html?_r=0

http://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/875569

http://www.jaacap.com/article/S0890-8567%2816%2931941-4/fulltext

http://www.washington.edu/news/2016/02/26/transgender-children-supported-in-their-identities-show-positive-mental-health/
And one for the 2011 suicide study.

http://transadvocate.com/fact-check-study-shows-transition-makes-trans-people-suicidal_n_15483.htm

>>52637308
They are multiple terms for the same thing.

>>52636968
I might set something up, perhaps more people are interested in this thread? seems like a decent bunch. As noted in the above comments I am somewhat afraid of the bigger game-finder threads. I mainly want to play online a bit and meet new people mostly

>>52637359
You could always try the roll20 forums, but I can't vouch for their quality.

Alternatively, do you have any other online social groups? Try those.

>>52637328
Better that these fucks kill themselves because pretty soon the sjws will push to have our tax dollars to pay for their dick mutilation operation.

>>52637389
Oh, I get it. You're a sociopath. Any argument based on the well-being of others is wasted on you.
Go to hell.

>>52637425
This isnt going to be the first time that you will hear this but here goes.
You are better off dead. You will never account to anything more than a useless burden that society has to put up with for the sake of being polite.

>>52637389
>"Show me the sources"
>Is shown sources
>"waaaaaaaaahhhhh"
Suck my soon to be mutilated dick.

Where do I go If I want to find a good gaming group?

>>52637542
Post up a sign at a local comic book store; then hold a session 0.

>>52637542
Trial and error that will go on from months to years

>>52608772
>put a lot of effort into a game
>get a good group together
>talk and make characters and laugh and have fun
>a few days till game day, one player makes a very mild joke about another player's character
>other player flips out, throws genuine insults at him, accuses him of trying to control his character and the game, says he 'knows' the guy has sabotaged games before, says he's quitting
>i'm not there, tell them later we need to talk this out, trying to remain calm despite his autistic outburst
>he tells me to fuck off, accuses me of being on the guy's side and being out to get him, leaves after trying to get the other uninvolved players to join his own group
>later on hear that this guy has done this before to other games, comes in and throws a tantrum then tries to get other group members to come join his community

Not every Roll20 player is autistic, but every autistic player is on Roll20.

>>52637386
>do you have any other online social groups? Try those.
Anything other then kikebook no, perhaps I'll just throw an ad in the group finder thread somewhere in the near future

thankfully if I can set up a small system of small episodic stories it might just work out that I, or the players themselves, can filter out; didn't like it? you could just leave

this does put a lot of pressure on my times though, but I can be flexible with it as well I guess as long as I keep setting up dates for people

Now more on-topic: what would be the best way to go around it, in in of itself, is roll-20 actually good?

>>52637542
To hell. Nothing can be good.

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>>52637481
I may be better off dead, but with YOU dead, the entire world is better off. You are living trash, and every single breath you take is a wasted resource. All of your arguments are projections of your own worthlessness, and your parents are most likely ashamed of their basement-dwelling, morbidly obese son. Pic related, it's something better off thn you.

>>52637610
You're fucking rad bro.

>>52637633
Heh. Thank you.

>>52632474
>puts "female" in post to join the game
>profile says "mtf transgender"

every fucking time

>>52637610
>The world is better off dead because fags can get their dicks cut off for free!

>>52637189
After it was politically influenced, that is.

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>>52637676
>This
>Profile has long ass list of triggers, demands and entitlements
https://app.roll20.net/users/502935/courtney-r
is one example of many

>>52637754
>IM NOT DUMM ITS JUST THAT ALL THE PEEPLE WHO DISAGREE WITH ME ARE POLITICALLY INFLUENCED BY THE ESS JAY DUBLEYUUS REEEEEEEE FUCK SCIENCE I WANT MY INSANE HATRED FOR RANDOM STUFF

>>52637085
>cure

Ignoring the fact that most people who transition find that they still feel like shit, and transitioned people have some of the highest suicide rates of any demographic. It's a treatment, not a cure, and it has a very limited success rate that is subject to a lot of conjecture.

Gender dysphoria is a shitty thing to have, don't get me wrong, I have nothing but empathy for people who suffer from that sort of identity disorder, but if you dive into the tumblr rabbit whole of pronouns, you're setting yourself up to have a really bad time when somebody decides that no, they don't want to feel like they're walking barefoot over glass whenever they converse with you.

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>Enjoyed playing Masks with friends, wanted to play with new people
>It's a smaller game so it's not that popular
>Game seems mostly serious, but standard superhero stuff
>There's this one guy though
>Always plays newborn or outsider
>His character is always a one-dimensional """Comic relief""" assfart that's a fish out of water
>Never really pays attention to the plot, interrupts everyone's actions to do his own shit
>"What's going on?" well gee why not pay attention instead of going off on Whacky Shenanigags
>makes me leave that one to
>Go to a new game. He's in it
>A different game. He's there too
>He's in so many that frankly I'm not sure he even has time for all this
>Join one, he's in there, playing the same character in a different skin
>MFW

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>>52637812

>Quick things to know about me are that I am transgender (Male to Female) and about the only thing that affects is my characters are primarily female, and that if you respect me I will respect you

The only reason i can imagine someone ever writing something like this is because it i the cornerstone of their personality, perhaps even eclipsing everything else about her. In what scenario is it ever going to come up, other than one where she stirs up shit and goes on tirades about gender politics?

At least they have the common decency to put it there so we can avoid them.

>>52637989
I know that trans people have high suicide rates after transition. Cure was the wrong word. Alleviate may fit better.
Although you have to admit, maybe being rejected by family has something to do with it?

Here, have some more links.
http://skeptics.stackexchange.com/questions/28110/does-gender-reassignment-surgery-increase-quality-of-life-of-transgender-individ

>>52638080
Maybe they want to get it out of the way?
Or maybe they want to filter certain people out.

Fortunately (I guess) I've never really had bad experiences on roll20. The games just tend to die. The only time I can think of, was when myself and another player got into an existential argument during a Mutants and Masterminds game that lasted longer then everyone wanted.

>>52638130
Existential argument?

All right fuckers arguing about transgenderism, here's a story for people to conveniently ignore or call bullshit or maybe 'no true scotsman'.

I had a tranny phase. I know, it's gross and not something someone would easily admit it. The thing is, you never hear about people like me, who had grown up in all the bullshit, the propaganda and the 'agenda' which through they funneled their daddy and bullying issues, hating all men when really deep down I was just (and still am) a pathetic piece of shit of shit with no spine. So where is the difference, why is it even remotely relevant? Because fuckers like >>52637828 see the world in a binary (heh, hehe...sorry...) of good and evil, where the 'good' is made of good, happy 'tolerant' and enlightened tri-gendered tupperware helicopter kin and the 'bad' is made of angry chest-beating white men who eat steak, hate animals and regularly circlejerk to how much they love to hate things.

The thing is, that was years ago and fortunately before the bullshit push for 'tranny inclusion' and man am I glad. So what's the secret, was I tortured by electric shocks until I stopped being a sissy-ass tranny? No, it's because I was allowed time to make my own decision, to think back on those self-mutilating impulses and realize that it is wrong. Not out of some born-again christian bullshit. No, all I simply did was make my own informed decision. However, today people aren't even ALLOWED to be presented the option that maybe just MAYBE they're not really trans but just got some fucked up issues which simply manifest in a really really sick way. If I'd been born 10 years later they would have probably put me through hormones, mutilated me and by then I'd have committed suicide because they enable people to be sick fuck and normalize insanity.

Wanting to cut off your dick out of self-loathing is not 'sanity'. It's madness. It's a disease.

>>52637828
>implying

Scientists live for funding, and it is all too easy to bribe them with funding to 'find' evidence for anything you can think of.

Classy move too, but trying to make me look like an idiot won't work.

>>52638191
LOL.

N = 1, statistically insignificant. Of course at least one person is going to turn out to not actually be trans.
Did you ever feel gender dysphoria?

>>52638215
So I guess that because an insane number of scientists could be bribed, that makes almost all science regarding this subject worthless amiright?

>>52638215
Except, of course, for the studies that support your point of view.

>>52637828
>psychiatry
>science

>>52638191
This is great insight. Now that I think about it, its a very small price to pay to have my part of my tax money going into funding the hormones and other chemical shit and eventual dick mutiliation if it means that it speeds up these fags eventual demise by suicide.

>>52638280
https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=is+psychology+a+science&oq=is+psych&aqs=chrome.1.69i57j0l3.3239j0j4&client=tablet-android-samsung&sourceid=chrome-mobile&ie=UTF-8
Don't make statements that a google search could disprove.