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>>52604134
>Since only like 2 people posted brews from last thread, let's have some more brews. Seriously, let's look at brews, that's what I like about modern, you can sneak a brew or two in there, not only tier 1 decks are viable.
I present to you "Crucible Teachings":

Creatures: 3
1 Teferi, Mage of Zhalfir
2 Torrential Gearhulk

Instants: 29
4 Fatal Push
1 Path to Exile
1 Surgical Extraction
4 Rune Snag
3 Think Twice
1 Deprive
1 Blessed Alliance
4 Esper Charm
1 Anguished Unmaking
1 Oona's Grace
3 Cryptic Command
3 Mystical Teachings
1 Consume the Meek
1 Blue Sun's Zenith

Other Spells: 1
1 Crucible of Worlds

Lands: 27
4 Polluted Delta
4 Flooded Strand
4 Fetid Pools
1 Watery Grave
2 Irrigated Farmland
1 Hallowed Fountain
2 Island
1 Plains
2 Drowned Catacomb
2 Glacial Fortress
3 Tectonic Edge
1 Urborg, Tomb of Yawgmoth
22u 16b 14w

Sideboard: 15
2 Engineered Explosives
1 Extirpate
1 Dispel
2 Collective Brutality
1 Celestial Purge
2 Vendilion Clique
1 Timely Reinforcements
1 Pulse of the Fields
2 Kalitas, Traitor of Ghet
1 Consume the Meek
1 Elspeth, Sun's Champion

It's almost certainly too durdly to ever be good in Modern, but I look forward to testing it on Xmage after full AMK spoilers are out. I still haven't decided which 2 mana counter suite to use, or which finishers, but this version feels the most aesthetic to me.

>>52604134
>Why do I always have to make these threads? It's not hard.

Stop making them, then.

Modern threads are just cancerous little mini-/v/s for people who have too little money to play Legacy and lack the social skills to play with more people in Standard.

>>52604313
Why no gifts senpai?

>>52604398
I can't speak to the quality of the threads, but Modern is a better format than Legacy right now, and way better than Standard right now. I can't believe you're seriously telling people to play Standard. It's worthless and it's also about to be completely different.

>>52604398
Great, you should fuck off then

>>52604603
I'd say Modern and Legacy is for people with different styles. I mean, really, if you want to play control, just play legacy.

>>52604600
Is there a pile I can use to get Crucible without adding Green for Loam? If there is I could try a singleton.

>>52604640
that's fair. I guess it feels like that's really the only thing that Legacy has over Modern, as a format.

>>52604683
Noxious Revival, Academy Ruins, Crucible, Value card.

>>52604683
you could add green for Gaea's Blessing

>>52604700
It's also not 65% """"Midrange""""" and Aggro

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>>52604134
>Also Gerry Thompson 5-0d a modern daily with Tezzerator with Whir. Thoughts on the deck?
Tezzerator with Whir is the real deal. A guy in my local scene was playing it for a few months and was running a control build with Whir + Pentad Prism and a bunch of 1 or 2-of silver bullet artifacts like Ensnaring Bridge, Spellskite, Nihil Spellbomb and Pithing Needle, alongside Tezz + Thopter/Sword as a wincon. He also had a light smattering of counterspells (mostly Negate, I believe) and Fatal Push, with some discard in the side.

After the first 2 turns or so the deck can pretty much operate entirely at instant speed, and if you're not packing mass artifact removal in your sideboard it can get out of hand really quickly.

From talking with the guy and watching him play against others, it seems like it has at least a 50/50 matchup against most of the current meta, if not better for most decks. It's not great against ultra-aggressive strategies, but the deck absolutely preys upon anyone trying to play a slower game. I wouldn't be surprised if the deck started picking up steam and putting up more results.

>>52604766
It's a sweet deck I just don't feel like being slow and weak to aggro is a good place to be in Modern rn

>>52604766
I play the deck myself. Deaths Shadow Jund can be kind of rough, they sometimes run up to like 5 targeted artifact hate spells. Also what is your play against stony silence? In addition to that, I do think the deck is pretty good. I honestly think it's the best control deck right now, like best true control, which isn't saying much in modern, but still.

>>52604813
Push and Whir for bridge really helped with the Aggro matchup desu senpai

Reposting from last thread, and that's all I'll say on this deck, I really reccomend giving it a shot, it's pretty fun.

Okay guys, here's the list I ended up bringing to fnm, happy with it went 4-1 and I think that's pretty solid. Sideboard is kind of weird, didn't have all the cards I wanted, but it served its purpose.

Land (18)
4x Arid Mesa
2x Blood Crypt
4x Bloodstained Mire
1x Godless Shrine
3x Marsh Flats
1x Mountain
2x Sacred Foundry
1x Swamp
Creature (12)
4x Bedlam Reveler
4x Death's Shadow
4x Street Wraith
Instant (14)
2x Kolaghan's Command
3x Lightning Bolt
4x Manamorphose
2x Path to Exile
3x Terminate
Sorcery (16)
2x Collective Brutality
4x Faithless Looting
2x Inquisition of Kozilek
4x Lingering Souls
4x Thoughtseize
Sideboard (15)
2x Anger of the Gods
2x Crumble to Dust
2x Grafdigger's Cage
1x Lost Legacy
1x Nihil Spellbomb
2x Painful Truths
3x Stony Silence
2x Wear and Tear

Game 1 Vs. Elves
Thoughtseized his CoCo and then bolted his Archdruid and Ezuri. Never drew Reveler or Shadow, but a single lingering souls brought me the distance. Matchup felt pretty good. Boarded in 2 Grafdiggers and 2 Angers. Turn 1 Inquisitioned his Chord. Turn 3 I angered his board and he just couldn't come back from it, he had me dead on board but that deck just gets blown out by Anger.
1-0 Game 2 Vs. Ad Nauseum
Brought in a Lost Legacy for any combo matchup, real happy I did. Game 1 I had a good draw, Inquisition and brutality turns 1 and 2 into 2 shadows turn 3. Really hard to beat that no matter what deck you're playing desu. Game 2 was kind of funny, but I don't chalk it up to a good win, idk. Turn 4 I'm pretty sure he's about to go off. I have 3 lands, I cast Lost Legacy, he pacts of negation, then I played a 4th land and thoughtseized his Angel's Grace. He lost on upkeep.

>>52604821
>>52604766
Well fuck, post some lists. I'm sure I've got lost of the money cards from affinity

2-0 Game 3 Vs. Jund
Honestly a really boring and long matchup. Game 1 we are just 1 for oneing, until I play a Souls. Souls is really good against Jund it seems. Literally just Souls alone carried me to the finish line, because you really can't 1 for 1 souls, and he never drew pulse, card is really good. I boarded in 2 painful truths and a wear//tear that could be discarded if it needed to. Game 2 he had that Jund draw where they thoughtseize your hard removal, then play goyf, then play Liliana and you can't win. Goyf is a real good card and can end games quickly, especially with a Grim Flayer follow up. I just couldn't establish anything, didn't draw well at all it seemed. Game 3 is where Reveler really did some work. This time I'm on the play, he has the answers but I had the threats, I drew some souls he drew a Jund Charm, I killed his Goyf, he killed my Shadow. But then I hit Bedlam Reveler. Board State wasn't great, I had 1 Souls Token, he had a Lili at 3. Played Reveler into drawing another reveler, and a souls and a land. Played Souls, attack Lili down to 2, pass turn. He topdecks pulse, pulses my souls, -2 Lili. But now I have another Reveler in hand. Played Reveler and drew another Revler. That carried me to a win. I really really like the card when you're in a grindy matchup, that really won me the game there, topdecking a reveler feels amazing.
3-0 Game 4 Vs. GB Tron
Matchup doesn't feel unwinnable, but turn 3 natural Tron into Karn on the play is really hard to beat. My hand wasn't great, but it didn't get any better with a Karn out. Never got anything going game 1. Brought in the Stony Silence and crumble to dust. Starting hand was a 1 lander with looting and 2 silences and some other not great stuff cause my deck really doesn't match up well against Tron. Missed on the looting, and I didn't hit my second land until turn 4, what do you do. I think I want to try that matchup a bit more, it really doesn't seem unwinnable at all.

>>52604937
3-1 Game 5 Vs Bant eldrazi
Death's Shadow is great against Eldrazi. If you take away their Path, there's nothing they can do. Had a good first hand. Opponent kept a pretty heavy hand, 2 Nobles, a thoughtknot, smasher, and a stirrings. I Inquisitioned the first Noble away, and then turn 2 I Collective Brutality to kill his second and take his Stirrings. Death's Shadow the next turn ended it quick. A big advantage to this deck it seems, is you don't run out your reveler until you had to. No one boarded in GY hate against me, which was really convenient. At least none that I saw. Didn't know what to board, didn't really have to much it seems. Game 2 got pretty grindy. All I want to say, is that Displacer is a card that has to get killed. Souls Tokens kind of held off his guys, and his drowner tapped down my guys until it ate a terminate. Then I drew a Reveler, and he carried me to the promised land. The really great thing about Reveler and Faithless looting in the Graveyard is that you get 3/5 cards. That's really good selection. Played Reveler, drew path Wraith, land, flashbacked Looting, drew terminate land, discarded 2 land. Next turn drew Souls, then cycled into a bolt. That carried me to the end.

Not sure if I can have a good Tron matchup, better than Jund maybe but not good. Also didn't play burn. Deck felt good, I'm happy I made it and if anyone has questions about it I'd gladly answer them. In conclusion I want to say I feel like Reveler has some untapped potential. He's the Grindiest card imaginable. I see people playing him in UR decks, makes no sense with counterspells. I see people play him in Burn decks, makes no sense you just want more burn spells. I think the deck he wants, is a grindy, tappout style deck, where you 1 for 1, until you come out on top. Empty hand and empty theres, and then if you topdeck a Reveler, it's some great value. Solid deck I believe, if anyone has some constructive criticism, or suggestions I'd be happy to hear it.

>>52604937
>Goyf is a real good card and can end games quickly,
Literally what we've been telling you

>>52604925
http://www.starcitygames.com/article/34883_Video-UB-Tezzeret-In-Modern.html
This is the list he 5-0d with
He mentions the sideboard seems all over the place, which I agree with

>>52604821
>Also what is your play against stony silence?
The guy I was talking about splashed green for Abrupt Decay in the side for if it hit the battlefield and Negate + Thoughtseize for getting it beforehand.
>>52604925
I think this is the list the guy at my local scene based his deck off of, although I know for a fact he changed a few things.

Lands
1 Breeding Pool
4 Darkslick Shores
1 Creeping Tar Pit
1 Flooded Strand
3 Ghost Quarter
1 Inventors' Fair
2 Island
4 Polluted Delta
2 River of Tears
1 Sunken Ruins
1 Swamp
2 Watery Grave

Spells
2 Fatal Push
2 Collective Brutality
3 Inquisition of Kozilek
4 Whir of Invention

Artifacts
1 Crucible of Worlds
1 Engineered Explosives
2 Ensnaring Bridge
1 Executioner's Capsule
2 Mox Opal
1 Nihil Spellbomb
4 Pentad Prism
1 Pithing Needle
1 Ratchet Bomb
1 Relic of Progenitus
2 Sword of the Meek
2 Thopter Foundry
1 Trading Post
2 Welding Jar

Planeswalkers
4 Tezzeret, Agent of Bolas

Sideboard
2 Abrupt Decay
2 Collective Brutality
1 Ghost Quarter
1 Grafdigger's Cage
2 Herald of Anguish
1 Pithing Needle
2 Surgical Extraction
3 Thoughtseize
1 Witchbane Orb

>>52604997
Splashing Green is a meme. Literally no room for it desu.

>>52604958
Wow, you're right, every deck that doesn't run Goyf is bad, at last I truly see.

>>52604923
>>52604937
>>52604950
Dude, next time, please, please, please use TappedOut for your Deck list and Pastebin for your match reports. If people are interested (I usually am) then they'll read and comment and you don't have to take three posts for something a lot of people don't care about.

That said, I would make room for a 4th lightning bolt.

>>52605042
Good advice, I will do that from now on. But also, do you think Bolt is good right now? Infect is dead, and it seems like the top decks don't care about getting bolted

Golgari Mimic

Lands (22)
3 Blooming Marsh
6 Forest
4 Overgrown Tomb
7 Swamp
2 Woodland Cemetery

Spells (17)
4 Abrupt Decay
2 Go for the Throat
2 Golgari Charm
4 Inquisition of Kozilek
3 Kin-Tree Invocation

Creatures (21)
4 Creakwood Liege
3 Hag Hedge-Mage
4 Putrid Leech
2 Reaper of the Wilds
4 Scavenging Ooze
4 Woodlurker Mimic

Golgari Charm - It's a good card, but not competitive by any means. It's here only for being both green and black.
Reaper of the Wilds - Just another dumb big body.
I may replace Go For The Throat with Maelstrom Pulse.

I've been working on it for a while, but i'm dumb when it comes to manabase and overall consistency, that said i would really appreciate some help.

What would you do to make it more playable?

>>52605062
Different guy, but I think bolt is only good right now if you're not in colours with good removal of you're running snap.
Or a burn deck obviously

>>52605062
It kinda activates my almonds when there's not a playsets of bolts. But it's also going to help you close out games that much faster. If you don't want a 4th bolt, you can try a single temur battlerage. Shadow or Reveler + battlerage just wins games.

>>52605105
I have some suggestions to make your GB pretty competitive if you'll listen.

Creatures (14)
4 Tarmogoyf
4 Dark confidant
2 Kalitas, Traitor of ghet
1 Tireless Tracker
3 Scavenging ooze

Spells (18)
4 IoK
4 Fatal Push
2Thoughtseize
4 Abrupt Decay
1 Collective Brutality
1 Slaughter Pact
2 Maelstrom Pulse

Planeswalker (4)
3 Liliana of the veil
1 Liliana the last hope

Lands (24)
4 blooming marsh
2 forest
4 hissing qaugmire
1 bloodstained mire
3 swamp
4 overgrown tomb
4 verdant catacombs
2 ghost quarter
2 Tec Edge

>>52605105
Savra, queen of the Golgari is pretty nice with creakwood. also you need a sac outlet

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Is there any way to make this playable?

>>52605220
No, too much mana for almost no impact, with almost a ton of impact

>>52605220
Shadowborn apostle.

>Want to test brew
>Friend conveniently plays a deck that seems almost designed to counter said brew
>"Nah man just a coincidence :^)"

>>52605294
Test your deck properly. Take it to FNM, Xmage/cockatrice. Or just ask your friend to use more than one deck.

>>52605294
Seems like a shit "friend"
Whenever my buddies want to test, I have affinity, Burn and most of Tron, then I proxy any number of top meta decks to help them out. Isn't that what most people do?

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I am sad. Sad that this lil guy isn't playable.

>>52604134
You want shitbrews? Here's a shitbrew:

UB Control

Artifacts (2):
2 Batterskull

Creatures (9):
4 Delver of Secrets
3 Snapcaster Mage
2 Tasigur, the Golden Fang

Instants (13):
2 Remand
3 Mana Leak
2 Countersquall
4 Fatal Push
2 Victim of Night

Lands (24):
4 Polluted Delta
4 Watery Grave
4 Mutavault
3 Drowned Catacomb
3 Darkslick Shores
2 Creeping Tar Pit
2 Swamp
2 Island

Planeswalkers (2):
2 Liliana of the Veil

Sorceries (10):
3 Inquisition of Kozilek
3 Thoughtseize
4 Serum Visions


Sideboard (15):
4 Tormod's Crypt
2 Fulminator Mage
3 Hurkyl's Recall
2 Dismember
2 Surgical Extraction
2 Damnation

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>>52605466
I got you senpai don't worry

Let the CoCo flow though you

>>52605529
Counters in Modern are trash senpai

>>52605529
>batterskull
>delver
>23 Spells
wew lad

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>>52605529
>Delver
>24 lands

Shit, what're you doing nigga?

>>52604134
Here's a "brew". Really a slight modification of cute deck I saw online recently:

// 60 Maindeck
// 15 Creature
4 Arbor Elf
4 Eternal Witness
1 Greenwarden of Murasa
4 Sakura-Tribe Elder
1 Spawnsire of Ulamog
1 Panglacial Wurm

// 12 Enchantment
4 Fertile Ground
4 Utopia Sprawl
4 Vernal Bloom

// 4 Instant
4 Early Harvest

// 20 Land
20 Forest

// 1 Planeswalker
1 Garruk Wildspeaker

// 8 Sorcery
4 Genesis Wave
4 Harmonize


// 15 Sideboard
// 3 Artifact
SB: 2 Tormod's Crypt
SB: 1 Defense Grid

// 4 Creature
SB: 1 Emrakul, the Aeons Torn
SB: 1 Ulamog, the Infinite Gyre
SB: 1 Kozilek, Butcher of Truth
SB: 1 Emrakul, the Promised End

// 6 Instant
SB: 2 Beast Within
SB: 4 Nature's Claim

// 2 Sorcery
SB: 2 Firespout

>>52605682
Tooth and Nail is just better than Genesis wave, T&N just wins on the spot, Wave can still get BTFO

>>52605741
I could try it, though the point of the deck is slapping down a 20+ genesis wave.

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Rev up those banhammers

>>52605785
It's really just better to slap down an entwined T&N and just win

How do you fellow burn players deal with abzan? Just hope to hit your paths and palms?
And in the spirit of brews, has anyone tried to run 4 color burn? Splashing black doesn't seem too hard and I could just cut rift bolt for bump in the night

>>52605830
Isn't Abzan not a hard matchup for burn? They don't even run Meme Lightning Helix Goyf anymore.

>>52605768

How about just getting rid of all of them and letting the native inhabitants of the planes we're visiting take charge?

>>52605788
What do you ban to hurt deaths shadow? The namesake? Won't jund/junk just take its place? Good stuff decks are just too strong and reselient to bans.

>>52605884
but then MaRo's special snowflake squad won't get new cards again.

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>>52605890

ban goyf

> Have a playset of Snapcasters that I kinda wanna start using
> No scalding tarns
> They are over $50 each
> Nothing competitive with blue right now doesn't also run red.

I should have gotten a playset 2 years ago when they were much cheaper. Fuck.

>>52605871
Oh no it's not a hard match up, I was just wandering if there was any more ways to deal with rhinos and goyfs besides what I mentioned

>>52605937
Merfolk is both Mono-U and competitive. Doesn't run snapcasters though.

>>52605937
Built Sultai Control. Do it for the memes.

>>52605990
>I want to run my Snapcasters
>Play Merfolk, it doesn't run Snapcasters
Is it autism?

>>52605830
4c Burn is terrible. I've tried. The trade off is "extra bolts" in 4c, but you lose a ton of life from lands and end up losing to decks you should have won against. For Abzan, I have extra Skullcracks (I run 4 ACommand, 4 Skullcrack in my 75) along side path. Helps out a lot when they think they can stabilize.

>>52606006
>Nothing competitive with blue right now doesn't also run red.
>State a competitive blue deck that doesn't run red

There's autism, but it's coming from you.

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Reminder that this is actually the best card in Amonkhet and Gideon is just overhyped mediocrity. This card gives control a winning matchup against BGx variants and Combo a much better chance at beating BGx midrange.

>>52606051
How? I mean, how exactly will this help any modern deck?

>>52606025
>Merfolk
>Blue
Might as well be green desu cause it's the exact same meme creature tapping mindless shit. Guy said he wanted to play snaps, but you're autistic so it's okay

>>52604964
I'm not seeing how this deck beats tron. Seems like an auto lose

>>52606089
Step 1: Play it. Step 2: Watch as all their discard cards become dead. Liliana is awful against this card too, so they don't even have that. Control decks can run cycle lands with it to ensure value and combo decks only care about not dealing with liliana any more.

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>>52606122
>3 drop

>>52606122
So, and correct me if I'm wrong, you play it as early as turn 3 AFTER midrange decks have already used their Iok/ts, to blank the 4- 5 other discard spells they have in their deck? It seems to me like a 3 mana do- nothing card in that scenario.

Now, I could see it in a living end style deck with a bunch of cyclers to get additional value, but even then it's a winmore card.

Either I don't get it, or this is some subtle bait. Or some meme I missed.

>>52606173
that's why you ssg ssg island this t1 family

>>52606122
You can't play it until turn 3, which is a long time to pray it doesn't get discarded to an IoK or thoughtsieze.
If you topdeck and jam it down before it gets picked away, you'll find out that Abrupt Decay is a card.

>>52606122
You should just play modern more. This card is bad.
Discard is hardly relevant after turn 3 anyway

>>52605890
The problem with Shadow is that it turns (most of your) your opponents' gameplan (pressure lifetotal with creatures) against them and it doesn't really have the drawing wrong end of syndrome of traditional bgx since you can just switch to being proactive and kill with a (trample double strike) 10/10 while playing a 50ish card deck. BGx as a whole didn't have the meta share in 2k16 that shadow has now, Tarmogoyf alone isn't a sufficiently overpowered beatstick to justify that.

>>52606120
No control deck is good against Tron obviously you cuck. But it isn't 100% dead to tron. The 2 ways I see, is recurring ghost quarter with Crucible real fast out of the gate, or just building up a quick mass of thopter tokens that can carry you to the finish. It has it's outs, but yes, you are correct, control is bad against Tron.

>>52606163
>playing around a 2 of in most BGx decks.

>>52606173
Combo decks still play leyline, this card serves as a way to win through liliana (something combo decks can't do) and forces them to discard it over a combo piece.

For control, control can afford to play cycle lands, making this card even better for them; it makes their liliana borderline unplayable and turns their lands into pretty reasonable defenders and finishers.

>>52606213
wrong end of deck*

>>52606120
>Crucible + Ghost Quarter lock
>Whir for Pithing Needle in response to Planeswalkers
>Whir for Ensnaring Bridge in response to creatures
>Sac things being targeted for exile to get them back later
The version I played against also had some counter magic, discard, and surgicals. While the matchup for Tezzerator isn't the best, it can definitely hold its own against tron.

>>52606232
Yeah, probably like 60-40 in favor of Tron at best, and that's assuming main board tech or something.

>>52606218
Then the deck is trash. Tron and other big mana strategies are way too much of the meta to just play a deck that loses to them

>>52606228
A 2/2 is way easier to deal with than a counter spells for BGx.
I'd rather take the risk to make you discard a spell that could have gotten you out of a bad situation. Oh no, you're 2/2 blocked my 6/7 Goyf.

>>52606287
Tron's only like 5% right now so it's not that bad

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Is it legal to bring and use my Duel Disk at a tourney?

>>52606293
For control, you'd be playing it with cycle lands, so it would be an army of 2/2s. For combo, blocking a 6/7 with your 2/2 lets you stall for much longer than normal.

>>52606324
I don't see why not

>>52606327
You're expecting this go on for a very long time if you're getting to the point where you're actually using the cycle lands.
By this point, I will have gotten my abrupt decay long before you amass that many 2/2's.

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Am I really the only one who likes this Lingering Souls more than Ghost Tiddies?

>>52606307
Eldrazi tron is not counted in tron for some reason

>>52606372
>For some reason
Cause they're really different decks bud.

>>52606372
Because it's not. Every Tron build (gx, gifts, monou) utilizes the urzalands to play an over-the-top control game whereas monocolorless is just a yolo midrange list that's looking to get nuts sevens and sixes.

>>52606348
Vendillion Clique exist, its not like control has no answers to Abrupt Decay even if you manage to get it. Besides, if you use Abrupt Decay on Drakes, you aren't using it on a combo piece like Phyrexian Unlife or on a Vendillion Clique that could stop Liliana as well.

>>52606394
They're both tron. It's different than bant eldrazi but they group it with them. Bud.

>>52606436
You actually thought I would use Abrupt Decay on a Drake?
I'm gonna stop giving you those sweet (You)'s now.

>>52606439
Listen bud, Bant Eldrazi and Eldrazi tron are far more similar in their game plan and card selection than Tron is with Eldrazi Tron. Really all Trondrazi has in common with the Tron deck is a couple walkers or 2 and the lands bud. You don't seem to understand bud.

>>52606370
Yes. Ghostly titties win every time.

>>52606461
Drake as in Drake Haven m8

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Which planeswalkers would best fit in a midrange Bant shell?

>>52605932
this just potentially shifts the focus of modern from "add g to your xx list" to "maybe add g to your xx list"

>>52606754
Gideon, Ally of Memerange

>>52606766
Wow that sounds like a great idea. Like unironically that sounds like a much better format

>>52605937
so just buy the cheaper fetches? flooded strands and polluted deltas are some where between $13-16 and if you're running U/X or U/X/X you realistically won't have any issue fetching out whatever dual you're looking for

>>52606324
IDK this might make the other players feel inadequate, is there a ruling about that?

>>52606025
>i really wanna play my snapcasters, too bad the only competitive blue decks that do also run ree
>UHM AKSHUALLY MERFOLK IS BOTH COMPETITIVE AND MONO U

Nah, my nigga, you're being pretty tistic here

>>52606801
I honestly don't disagree since I unironically prefer mardu coloring and every time I look at my deck I could look at any color and say "this would probably be better as green" but realistically what does it to to junk/jund? pushes grim and scavenging harder?

actually now that I type it out that it still sounds better

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>>52606402

>monocolorless

ok, I laughed

>>52606873
That's a good question. I just browsed through the MTR, and >>52606324
Could fall under 2.12 Electronic Devices

>At Competitive and Professional Rules Enforcement Level during drafting, deck construction, and playing of matches, players may not use electronic devices capable of taking and storing notes, communicating with other people, or accessing the internet (except for taking brief personal calls with the opponent's permission).

But it doesn't really do that. It could fall under Unsporting Conduct, though. Either way it would be up to the judge, head judge, or tournament organizer.

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>>52604134
Been messing around with this for a while. The idea is to land a Geist and keep tapping down their stuff with Tamiyos and looped Cryptics. It's been pretty fun, has game against most not-Tron stuff. Might try out As Foretold when the set drops.

Creature (17)
4x Coiling Oracle
3x Geist of Saint Traft
4x Noble Hierarch
4x Snapcaster Mage
2x Vendilion Clique

Planeswalker (3)
3x Tamiyo, Field Researcher

Enchantment (1)
1x Detention Sphere

Instant (12)
2x Bant Charm
1x Blessed Alliance
3x Cryptic Command
1x Dromoka's Command
4x Path to Exile
1x Spell Snare

Sorcery (4)
4x Serum Visions

Land (23)
2x Botanical Sanctum
3x Breeding Pool
2x Celestial Colonnade
4x Flooded Strand
1x Forest
1x Gavony Township
2x Hallowed Fountain
2x Island
4x Misty Rainforest
1x Plains
1x Temple Garden

Sideboard (15)
1x Blessed Alliance
1x Dispel
1x Familiar's Ruse
1x Fracturing Gust
3x Rest in Peace
1x Rhox War Monk
1x Sigarda, Host of Herons
3x Stony Silence
2x Supreme Verdict
1x Timely Reinforcements

>>52607318
This may just be the slowest deck I have ever seen, but it looks okay. I feel like you'd rather just have 4 coco instead of Tamiyo desu

>>52607441
I'd play Goyf in the Coiling Oracle slot if that card really worked well in bant. Bant CoCo is fine but at that point it's just a creature deck.

I just wanna draw a lot of cards man. Tamiyo draws so many cards.

I hear we're doing shitbrews:

3x Baral, Chief of Compliance
1x Blightsteel Colossus
1x Herald of Anguish
3x Master Transmuter
1x Memnite
1x Torrential Gearhulk
1x Treasure Mage

2x Aether Vial
1x Lightning Greaves
4x Mox Opal

1x Ancestral Vision
4x Serum Visions

1x Condescend
4x Cryptic Command
2x Mana Leak
4x Metallic Rebuke
2x Negate
2x Remand

4x Darksteel Citadel
2x Glimmervoid
12x Island
4x Spire of Industry

Sideboard: 10x transform, 5x random hates
2x Arcbound Ravager
4x Galvanic Blast
2x Memnite
2x Pia's Revolution

>>52607441
Doesn't CoCo need like, around 23 creatures? Which, I mean he could add eternal witness for more cryptic loops and bird of paradise to make sure he has a dork in his opening hand.

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>>52607501

>>52607482
Please just splash black and run 4 damnnations to just help you please

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>>52607516

>>52607560
> I can finally show my idiot friend why running a playsets of your core cards is optimal

No longer will he have an excuse to have 66 card singleton decks.

Can anyone tell me about GW Hatebears? I really like GW as a deck combo, but I haven't seen many lately

How competitive are modern GP side events? Is it possible to win with anything that isn't tier 1?

>>52607597
It's really not desu. Kithkin doesn't run a single playset. They're all just so powerful you can't justify not running one over the other

>>52605220
Relentless Rats

>>52607649
Depends on how many people, and your matchups, and how lucky your draw is. But yeah, as long a it's not complete shit

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>Just won a playset of Chalice of the Void on eBay for 96 dollars
What are the odds this not that reputable seller doesn't ship it?

>>52607655
stale meme desu

>>52607637
It's pretty bad unless you're Craig Wescoe. The Eldrazi & Taxes deck is okay but that's BW.

If you like GW you can play Kiki-Chord or Abzan Company. Both basically splash Red or Black for their respective combo cards and sideboard stuff. These are probably the best decks in the format that feel GW.

>>52607649
Usually about as competitive as the top 4 of your local modern events.

They're not going to be the best players in the room playing the best decks in the room, but don't expect total jank.

>>52607709
That's unfortunate to hear, thanks.

>>52607727
Would you expect me to cum in your ass?

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Who the fuck scoops/dcs to counterbalance in modern?

>>52607868
Who the fuck plays counterbalance in modern?

>>52607887
Why not? It's fun

>>52607906
No good tool for fixing your deck to make it work.

>>52607687
More like what are the odds that it's chinaman?

>>52607868
I had this same situation exactly when I was playing tooth and nail. Guy didn't believe me that overgrowth was modern legal. Then he quit. Kek

>>52607542
And cut what?

>>52607957
Literally every card in circulation right now is chinamen, no one wants to pay 5000 a card so we just go to the chinamen. Then we trade and sell cards like normal sn woulldn't you know it? the chinamen has taken over mtg.

>>52607868
>>52607960
I had this happen at an FNM with choke vs Jeskai control

>>52608007
tbf choke is a great card to scoop to

>>52608012
No I meant the part where he called the judge to ask if choke was modern legal. I have the tempest printing

>>52608055
Lmao no one plays it cause Islands a shit, fuckin choke your mum boy

>>52608055
i play it in enchantress and use the white border 8ths, goes well with my single white border verduran

>>52607950
I've been using crystal ball.

It's not ideal, but when it goes down it works really really well

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>>52608055
>mfw opponent called judge to see if his spellskite could take my emrakul extra turn

>>52608055
I've had people make judge calls for my Urza's Saga Worship. Their face when the judge tells them it was also printed in 8th and 9th is always gold.

>>52608140
What CMCs can you hit?

>>52608055
Stronghold ensnaring bridges reporting.

It's always funny seeing scrubs get confused at 8th and 9th cards existing.

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>>52608186
with those white borders they might as well not

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>>52608249
that's why you just run the older prints of the cards senpai

>>52608295
Honestly anyone who deosn't shell out the extra 5 dollars for the stronghold printing disgusts me

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I'm trying to build a casual deck around Hapatra, Vizier of Poisons, Soul-Scar Mage and Nest of Scarabs. What do you guys think?

http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/jund-minus-counters/

>>52608163
1-3 with some any actual consistency.

>>52604134
Let's talk about absolute jank.

I'm talking MM17 3-0 draft deck jank.

That's right, it's time for Strength in Numbers.

Creatures:15
4 Avacyn's Pilgrim
3 Soul Warden
4 Attended Knight
4 Bronzebeak Moa

Spells:23
4 Call of the Conclave
4 Fists of Ironwood
2 Intangible Virtue
4 Momentary Blink
3 Strength in Numbers
4 Lingering Souls
2 Rootborn Defenses

Lands:22
6 Forest
8 Plains
4 Sandsteppe Citadel
4 Seaside Citadel

Sideboard:15
2 Urbis Protector - vs control
2 Slime Molding - vs control? IDK. It's just there.
3 Druid's Deliverance - vs infect
3 Sundering Growth - vs affinity
2 Rootborn Defenses - vs boardwipe-heavy decks
3 Creeping Mold - vs tron

Deck needs 4x Spectral Procession instead of Momentary Blink, IMO, but it's a fun little jank deck.

>>52608317
Why couldn't they just give it some evasion and make it playable? Not saying GB needs any more eveasion, but it dies to bolt and all

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Reprint meekstone desu

>>52608404
That would actually be a great reprint. It would upset the Timmies in Standard too much though.

>>52608404
but we can't have creatures stay tapped for so long anon, think of the children.

>No goyf
>no snapcaster
>no liliana

>4 dark confidant
>full playset of all 10 fetches and shocks

Is there a deck I can build in modern with this or am I stuck with eternal meme tier bullshit?

>>52608404
Effects that shut down the vast majority of deck strategies, aka play creatures, are very rarely going to be print for their toxic effect on the meta. At most we might get another Ghostly Prison effect.

>>52608480
just buy goblin guides and you can play burn for less than $100

>>52608480
You have the start of jund but that's about it. You could try 5 color human value.

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>>52608516
>toxic effect on the meta

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>>52606754
It's disgusting how much better AoZ is when compared to Elspeth. They knew how fucking awful BfZ was, so they threw in an utterly busted card on top of the (((Expeditions))) in a desperate attempt to sell packs.

>>52608480
You'd be a little land heavy and the deck wouldn't be very good but yeah

>>52608525
I've got 2 goblin guide, 2 more and 4 Eidolon would work but it just seems like a helmet no fun deck. It is something I'm keeping in mind though.

>>52608531
Doesn't jund run 4 goyf and 6-7 lily now?

>>52608536
Limiting players to only 1 spell each turn doesn't kill most strategies sense people run instants and thus can still reasonably play 2 spells per turn.
Burn can still guide + bolt you
Jund can still goyf + bolt you
Abzan can still play anafenza + path you

>>52608555
They still run a play set of bobs. Again though, trying for human zoo would be a lot cheaper and I think bob is in there too.

>>52608555
>6-7 lili
Nigga what? Most lists run 3-4 LotV and maybe one Nu Lili at most.

>>52608555
Jund usually plays 3-4 LotV's and a Last Hope very rarely.
When I was still playing regular Jund, I cut down to 3 Lili's.

>>52608571
I was using ethersworn to mock your retarded statement, not as an example of "toxic effects on the meta"

>>52608571
>Human zoo
I'm listening.

>>52608578
>>52608582
Maybe it's just dessy wannabes but everyone I've talked to has said 4 LotV and 3 Last hope (1 main 2 board) is mandatory for jund and abzan.

>>52608516
Play 2 power creatures instead. Or creatures with vigilance.

>>52606754
Gideon Tribal time? I feel like we need one more good Gideon card.

>>52608628
Just run the gideon that gets really fat on loyalty counters and grind them out with it.

>>52608606
https://www.mtggoldfish.com/metagame/modern/full#paper

That guy sounds retarded desu. Go through a couple of the recent Jund/Abzan lists and see for yourself. I run 3 LotV and 1 Last hope in ym abzan and I can't imagine being that walker heavy unless it's in a very specific meta.

>>52608310
The only ones I could find when I needed them were german 7th edition
I want stronghold, but these are pretty cool

>>52608606
Everyone you talked to about Jund told you wrong, then. I played the deck for years before DSJ was the way to go, and I'd never play that many Lili's

>>52605105
>that removal suite

I don't wanna hurt the core identity of your deck with my suggestions so I'll do my best to keep it somewhat in line with what you are doing, and also somewhat budget.

4x Abrupt Decay
3x Fatal Push
1x Maelstrom Pulse
4x Inquisition of Kozilek
2x Thoughtsieze
3x Kin-Tree Invocation
4x Woodlurker Mimic
4x Creakwood Liege
4x Grim Flayer
3x Scavenging Ooze
1x Pharika, God of Affliction
2x Savra, Queen of the Golgari
3x Shambling Shell
4x Overgrown Tomb
4x Blooming Marsh
2x Woodland Cemetery
4x Llanowar Wastes
2x Twilight Mire
3x Swamp
1x Forest
2x Ghost Quarter

This deck still won't be the most competitive thing ever, but it has some cute stuff happening. The interaction between Kin-Tree Invocation and Woodlurkker Mimic is too cute to take out. Savra + Shambling Shell is a cute interaction as a repeatable edict effect, great for grinding. The manabase got a lot of additions, while avoiding fetches. It could probably still be better, I've only ever had manabases with 8+ fetches in modern. 2 maindeck ghost quarter so that you maybe can luck into taking a game against Tron.

>>52608768
should be 1 woodland cemetery 2 forest, my bad

>>52605937
Finally bit the bullet and bought some tarns when MM17 dropped. The world feels so open now, with so many buildable decks.

>>52608606
What you'll want will shift depending on meta, but the big pay off cards are:
Champion of the parish
Thalia's lieutenant
Mayor of Avabruck

After that, it really comes down to what kind of utility humans you need. Facing a lot of burn? Soul warden is here for you.
Trouble with control or other noncreature strategies? Old Thalia is available.
Need to go faster to race some slower decks? Emissary of the burning tree will help you beat faster by dropping more at once.
Need to pick apart a combo deck? Sin Collector will take care of those Through the Breach match ups.

>shitbrews

4x Delver of Secrets
4x Monastery Swiftspear
4x Stormchaser Mage
2x Bedlam Reveler
4x Serum Visions
4x Thought Scour
4x Lightning Bolt
4x Lava Spike
2x Lightning Helix
3x Path to Exile
2x Spell Snare
3x Spell Pierce
3x Searing Blaze
4x Scalding Tarn
4x Flooded Strand
1x Arid Mesa
2x Steam Vents
1x Sacred Foundry
1x Hallowed Fountain
2x Spirebluff Canal
1x Plains
1x Island
1x Mountain

2x Dispel
1x Izzet Staticaster
1x Forked Bolt
1x Shattering Spree
2x Ceremonious Rejection
1x Bedlam Reveler
1x Path to Exile
3x Grafdigger's Cage
2x Skullcrack
1x Lightning Helix

I want to make a token spam deck with young pyromancer and monastery mentor. Is it viable? Should I add a 3rd color?

>>52607476
If you wanna draw cards play bant enchantress. There is nothing else like it.

>>52608901
It's not viable, but it's really fun. Add blue for cantrips.

>>52608901
In a meta where DSJ and Tron are top dogs, no.

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>>52604134
>Since only like 2 people posted brews from last thread, let's have some more brews.

But I always post this shit, I'm sure people are tired of it

http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/4c-spellweaver-worldfire/

>>52608956
Just serum visions/Sleight of hand, or other goodies?

>>52608965
What makes it so hard to deal with those?

>>52608901
Play vintage

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Can I add this to Storm?

>>52608993
Tron will just board wipe you. DSJ will swing in with a 9/9 and drop TBR when you chump block

>>52609027

Doesn't get reduced by Baral, doesn't work with rituals without manamorphose.

I'd say no.

I don't want DSJ banned but it sure is frustrating that it is the clear top deck. If you aren't playing it you're doing competitive wrong

>>52608993
Remand maybe. it's your deck build it how you want.

>>52604134
Anyone else real tired of the hand rape meta?

>>52609085
Just play turbofog and meme it up.

>>52609229
unironically ban thoughtseize

>>52609229
I'm hoping for a card that hoses discard to be printed in a future set. Leyline is not good enough unless you run 4 in the mainboard, and that's a whole new shitshow.

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>>52609229
Play a deck with redundant amounts of card draw and you won't be at the mercy of your opener

>>52609325
It's not that I'm losing because of it every time. It's just there doesn't seem to be a better thing to do turn one in modern outside of playing a mana dork.
Every match they get to look at my hand and take whatever will give them most trouble. The information given away takes a lot away from each match imo

>>52609378
>there doesn't seem to be a better thing to do turn one in modern
This desu

>>52604398
>standard isn't the mouth-breather format
U wot?

>>52609378
>T1 Nephalia Academy

Jundfags btfo

>>52608838
I'd run 4 spirebluff and maybe some snaps desu

>>52609378
You can play a super redundant deck like Burn and not care about discard (much).
You can play a deck with insane amounts of card draw like Esper Draw- Go.
You can play 8rack and laugh at discard.
Or you can stop being a pussy and play around it like most people do.

>>52609516
>Or you can stop being a pussy
Fuck off tough guy. Not liking something is different than whining.

>>52608154
That's legitimately funny

>>52609229
Just play brainstorm desu senpai

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>>52609634
>>52609555
>>52609516
>>52609378
>>52609325
>>52609229

The correct answer is to hand rape them first

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>>52609555
>Whine: to snivel or complain in a peevish, self-pitying way
>Anyone else real tired of the hand rape meta?
Statement of complaint.
>It's just there doesn't seem to be a better thing to do turn one in modern outside of playing a mana dork
Blatantly untrue statement
>Every match they get to look at my hand and take whatever will give them most trouble
Self- pity

Sounds like whining to me.

>>52609711
What else are you gonna do turn one? Play a cantrip? Fucking lol
>Thoughtseize takes your best card
This is a fact you moron,nothing to do with poor me

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>>52609229
Bring back our boy.

>>52609711
Can't believe how many anons I've diagnosed in the Modern general. Sorry, anon but it looks like you have a case of autism.

>>52609027
Run peer through depths instead

Digs you what you need, can be used as a splice target and CMC is reduced with gobbo/baral

>>52609711
Is there actually a better turn 1 play?

>>52609741
Little Kid Junk will rise again.

>>52609741
This makes me wonder, why Selesnya beatdown isn't played as much in the hand rape meta.

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>>52609768
>Playing a 4/4 turn 3 instead of a 7/8 turn 2
Really, really wondering here, thinking deeply, embracing my synapses.

>>52609229

I'm over modern until it's fixed. I got quadruple discarded on my first 4 turns twice as States.

>>52609788
And? It's not like Selesnya doesn't have removall to deal with DSJ or Goyfs.

Also

dumb frogposter

>>52609790
>Babbys autistic combo deck lost to a wittle discardy wardy
Oh poor little muffin, it'll be okay sweetie

>>52609804
Discarded ;)

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No Standard thread so I'll just ask this here.

If both Gideon, Ally of Zendikar and Elspeth, Knight-Errant were in current Standard, which one would see more play?

It'll actually be pretty great if they banned Thoughtseize.

>>52609842
Both. Mostly gideon though because standard=midrange and elspeth suits control better.

>>52609861
>Both would see more play
HUUUUURRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR

>>52609842
Gideon is pretty much stricly better

>>52609856
>ban fair cards I don't like
wew lad, let's just ban everything until we're smashing vanilla creatures at each other

>>52609856
Thought Seize will never be too much of a problem as long as burn is eternal tier 1, which it always will be.

>>52609906
Ban removal desu

>>52609889
>no evasion
>not ticking up while producing creatures
>strictly better

wew

>>52609889
Elspeth is better with Geist.

>>52609889
>HUUUUURRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR
You know what I meant you autismal fuck.

>>52609813
Please take this shitposting back to /v/

>>52609906
>>52609927
ModernNexus, some time ago when it was still pretty goid, did an All Ban List Modern experiment. I believe everything was banned in a matter of hours.

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>>52609963
>>52609958
>>52609957
>>52609952
Thanks for the yous

>>52609995
>jokes on them I was only pretending

>>52610037
Adding this one to my collection to, thanks friend.

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So is the duel deck actually good this year?

>>52610045

getting in the collection since you're screenshotting this shit

shout out from yellowknife canada

>>52609981
this one?

http://modernnexus.com/introducing-max-banlist-modern/

>>52605768
Not bad...

>>52610068
decklist? I assume the lovisa side is shit.

>>52605830
I've had it built when Twin was still legal. Gemstone Mines and City of Brass helped me hit my colors on time. Biggest trouble is you will still occasionally have a hand full of cards needing white mana, But not the sources to cast them all fast enough.

>>52605830
>>52610125
And do not cut Rift Bolt- you run a 4th color for MORE pseudobolts, not to cut one of them.

Took Bant Knightfal to FNM last night. First time playing it against other people.

Went 2-1, beat Mono Green Stompy and Bogles, lost to Affinity 2-1 after getting land flooded after dropping Kataki into Stony Silence into E-Witness Kataki.

Had fun. This deck has so many ways to interact and change course throughout a match. The combo seems really scary to try to pull off without a Courser out. The most I was able to swing for was 20 trample with Knight.

>>52610068
They're shit, obviously

>>52610084
Yup, that's the one. Although, it seems they changed their ban list. When it was first posted, a bunch of people blew it up with ban submissions. It was an interesting thought experiment.

>>52610156
>beat 2 shitty meme decks
>lost to a good deck
Makes me think

>>52610068
Terrible. The BR deck is stronger then the RG one. RG only wins if the BR player doesn't understand their deck.

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>>52610189
>BR

>>52610207
BR stands for BaRBaRians.

>>52610156
>20 trample
How are you comboing off and what's the manabase look like? You should be able to hit 30ish fairly easy although I suppose it doesn't matter at that point. Untapping dorks should net you some mana with fetchlands to pump for wolf run.

You don't need courser to combo he really only serves a purpose in the combo when you're low on life.

>>52610185
If it makes you feel better, I beat the burn deck 3-1 and Eldrazi Tron 2-1 during casual matches after the tournament.

I misplayed game 1 against Affinity by not saccing my Selfless Spirit, so if I wasn't such a scrub player, I would have beaten him, too. Game 3 was all up to luck and while I had the silver bullets, I didn't draw any gas beyond them.
>>52610235
I run this shell minus 1 voice, 2 Gideons, 1 Bird, 1 Spirit and plus a few other things. I had to use my double taps from Fetch+Retreat to tap down my opponents side on one game and didn't have a dork out to untap the other times.

So I was forced to Fetch plus Shock to get an extra mana and ended up sitting at 2 health while swinging for 20.

>>52610272
And I forgot to link the deck
http://mtgtop8.com/event?e=15164&d=291926&f=MO

>>52610068
>>52610189 is mostly wrong. I played both decks quite a few times, and it seems like Might can draw any 7 cards and still beat the shit out of Mind, whereas Mind relies on a few key cards and loses if it doesn't draw them. It doesn't help that those cards are mostly one-ofs.

>>52610295
>>52610272
Are you not running 1 Wolf run and Stomping ground or is that the wrong list? Just my opinion here but I think that it's easier to go off with the wolf run version since you don't need to chop through the entire deck and it gives you another late game mana sink in addition to gavony.

>>52610355
Oh yeah, that is the wrong one. Here's the one I copied.
http://mtgtop8.com/event?e=15164&d=291925&f=MO

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>>52609229
I love these in my sideboard for 8rack and Lily-Allstars.

>>52609757
Darksteel Citadel, Mox Opal, Ornithopter, tap Opal, play second Opal, Blood Moon.

>>52610412
See, this sounds like the kind of jank i'd play in modern RN. Except I'd be going
>citadel
>darksteel relic
>mox
>ensoul citadel
>mox
>mox
>ensoul relic
>go

>>52610365
I think the sacred foundry can probably be swapped for a stomping ground since you usually want green over white a good portion of the time but it probably doesn't matter desu.
You are running two CoK right?

Dunno what your sideboard looks like but I recommend Gaddock teeg if you aren't running him.

>>52610412

That doesn't beat elves.

I'll play forest and mana-dork, go.

>>52605466
look up SaffronOlive's Jeskai Flying Men
it's passable for FNM

>>52610444
A friend of mine is actually brewing a deck that does just that. It's sort of a Grixis affinity shell with 4 simian spirit guide, 4 ensoul and 4 of the new ensouls (the name of which escapes me at the moment). I'll see if I can get the full list and post later. It's janky as hell, but effective sometimes and hilariously fun.

>>52610448
Yeah, there are some choices I swapped out for on that list.

So the actual combo is Knight+Dork+Retreat, then? Because I just assumed you go off through untapping knight and tapping down their blockers and hoping you got through with some other damage before going off.

>>52608975
>thought Helix would work with that second sun card
>you have to cast it from your hand to win
Muh jank deck. Time warp sounds fun though. I forgot about that.

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This any good in soul sisters?

>>52610533
I don't see how this beats out any of the other sisters, so I doubt it.

>>52610506
Knight+dork+retreat will net the you most mana for wolf run and almost guarantee a kill as opposed to just Knight+retreat, which can be tricky if you're at a low life total or if they have a higher life total for whatever reason.

>>52610189
shoo shoo professor

>>52610533
I guess that depends on how much token generation you have.

>>52610068
The Mind player has to balance wether they want to slow the Might player, or they want to storm off. If Jhoira is in the opening hand its ocer pretty quick, likewise, if Might topdecks Lovisa, shit gets real.
Balanced? Ehh... Mind has a more passive game with less risks and a huge payout.
Fun? Yea, I woukd say so. Each deck feels unique and has really good cards to make use of.

>>52610532

I thought about it too, it works if you exile two copies with helix and cast a third from your hand :^) it casts the second one first and then the first resolves and the conditions are met. it's still shit though compared to other helix wincons

>>52610532

But basically when you have loam available time warp is just a straight wincon because it just let you take turns until you hit fj + wf and I have won games nondefinitively by going off with time warp and faithless lootings

>>52610498
Tezzeret's touch, not sure why you'd run Grixis though, that just makes it harder to get UB on turn 2.

The only qualm I have about putting the deck together is spending 300$+ on a playset of mox opal for a deck that only works occasionally.

>>52605220

maybe if golgari grave-troll was still legal you could play a bad version of dredge with this

>>52610664
I've been goldfishing my own list. I've found 2 Tezzerets touch (thank you by the way) works out. I just had two hands in a row that I could power it out on turn 1. It's not really a deck to be super competitive, and I get the price tag on mox opal. But at least it's cheaper than just buying a full affinity list, and you have them when you want to upgrade. I think a set of opals is running about $200 right now, which is pricey, but once you have them, you have them, ya know?

>>52610625
So loam is necessary? I was thinking of just going UR with lots of draw and cheap counters to back up when I want to go off.

>>52610834

It's pretty integral in the shell I run, but there are more possible lists. I know that twoo did a storm sort of thing with his list when he took a stab at spellweaver.

>>52610788
Personally, I'd be running 4 of:
-Tezzeret's Touch
-Ensoul Artifact
-Mox Opal
-Darksteel Relic
-Darksteel Citadel
-Ornithopter
-Thoughtcast

You don't need hate cards when you power out several 5/5s early on.

I guess the SSGs could go in for more mana acceleration & to give you access to R sideboard options.

>>52610887
>Ssg
>Mox Opal
Enjoy the deck getting banned you sweaty cuck

What are Death's Shadow Jund bad matchups?

>>52610533
a 2 mana sister that only triggers of tokens isn't good enough. The deck doesn't need to run 12 copies also, having just 8 is enough. And even if you wanted to run 12 you already could if you splash G.

What version of Death's Shadow deck do you guys think is overall most effective in most match ups, the Tarmogoyf version or the snapcaster version?

>>52610964
It has no bad matchups

>>52610985
Jund. Anything else is snowflake garbage

Is there anyone here that wants to play paper modern but can't afford it, and also lives in the states?

>>52610953
this.

If you want to play broken bullshit like that go play vintage ffs

>>52611004
>Poor
>American
You have to go back Pedro

>>52611017
the fuck are you on about

>>52610887
Right now it's

Lands (18)
4 Darksteel Citadel
4 Glimmervoid
1 Island
4 Mana Confluence
1 Mountain
4 Spire of Industry

Creatures (20)
4 Memnite
4 Ornithopter
4 Signal Pest
4 Simian Spirit Guide
4 Vault Skirge

Enchantments (6)
4 Ensoul Artifact
2 Tezzeret's Touch

Artifacts (12)
4 Cranial Playing
4 Mox Opal
4 Springleaf Drum

Instants/Sorceries (4)
3 Galvanic Blast
1 Thoughtcast

I like Memnite over Darksteel Relic because of better synergy with Drum. It's kinda lame overall, but can cheese some wins.

>>52611008
>broken shit
>btfo by any exile removal whatsoever
>requires the absolute godhand to maybe sometimes occasionally pull out a turn three win against a goldfish, which will never happen against an actual player
okay.

>>52610988
Really?

>>52611025
Only Mexicans and blacks are poor in America and blacks don't play Magic

>>52611004
Just order from the chinamen like literally everyone else in this thread does. Nobody pays 2k for a deck.

>>52611046
I'm not poor, but you'd know that wasn't what I was saying if you had reading comprehension beyond that of a potato
Go fucking kill yourself, I try to help people on here and cunts like you show up

>>52611031
Running 8 hand disruption spells makes it extremely difficult for your opponent to play whatever they brought in for games 2 and 3.
Traditional Jund's bad matchups were Tron and Burn, which are both pretty easy for DSJ.

>>52611055
Question for people who play with China-fakes: have you ever been called out/caught using fakes? Also, what's the highest level you've played with fakes? Anybody run them at a GP, or at like a PTQ and get deck checked?

>>52611058
Don't take the /pol/ bait anon.

>>52610964
Kithkin. Kithkin has a positive matchup against everything but Living End.

>>52611028
imo relics are copies 5-8 of citadel, they just don't make any mana. I don't like running 1-drop artifacts in this deck, but I guess you have to ensoul t2. I didn't run nearly as many gold lands, and i think that was a major problem with the deck- I forgot I could run a ton of gold lands that care about artifacts.

DESU I just ran a bunch of 0-drop do-nothing artifacts, so I guess that's not much better.

I updated my list based on yours- I still think you can run both, though.

I updated my list based on what I liked from yours- before I had a bunch of the crappy little 0-drop equipments and such.

Creatures:15
4 Memnite
4 Ornithopter
3 Vault Skirge
4 Simian Spirit Guide

Spells:27
4 Darksteel Relic
4 Mox Opal
2 Galvanic Blast
4 Springleaf Drum
2 Cranial Plating
4 Ensoul Artifact
4 Tezzeret's Touch
3 Thoughtcast

Lands:18
2 Darkslick Shores
4 Darksteel Citadel
4 Glimmervoid
4 Mana Confluence
4 Spire of Industry

>>52611152
I ran them at GP van and got deck checked and nothing happened. No one ever calls them out in sleeves from across the table either. There is literally no reason to spend thousands on cardboard for Star of David games when you could buy chinamen for fractions of the price and enjoy the game just as well.

>>52611185
>tfw you have to get up in the middle of typing something, and accidentally forget that you already wrote something

>>52611187
>lying on the internet
Post your fakes then bud

>>52611211

Not him, but there's plenty of good fakes that'll pass most inspections.

>>52611228
Sure there are bud.

>>52611004
This is me and all my friends. We proxy up decks all the time, but haven't been able to go out to anything besides some proxy tourneys.

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>>52604398
>standard
>"Modern threads are just cancerous little mini-/v/s for people who have too little money to play Legacy"
>"for people who have too little money to play Legacy"
>"who have too little money to"
>"too little money"
Here's your (You)

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>>52611211
1/?

Will post unsleeved if you want

>>52611333

Are these from Black Lotus?

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>>52611333

>>52611185
>>52611201
I like it. I think ill take what I like about yours, combine it with mine, and post results after doing some testing tomorrow afternoon.

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>>52611356

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>>52611356
>being so poor and stupid you pay a Chinese man 2 dollars for a 10 dollar card

>>52611392
>paying 2 dollars instead of 10 makes you stupid
Hi Starcity.

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>>52611425
If you'd just not been a broke cuck and bought them for 7 dollars 4 months ago you'd have made 20 dollars on them today, but poor people just don't understand, also
>Boris charm
Holy shit senpai can you be more poor?

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>>52611475
>>52611487
You have to order a large amount of cards from the chinamen so that's why there are cheaper cards too. It also makes the deck less suspicious since the cards are uniform.

stay mad you got cucked by SCG tho faggot

>>52611390
>>52611487
Did you really buy fake commons and uncommons?

>>52611523
see
>>52611518

>>52611475
>implying I didn't make even more selling/trading fakes away

>>52610575
>>52610984
I didn't notice the token part. I need to RTFC more.

>>52609804
What's DSJ?

>>52611653
Deadly spiders jund

It's currently the top deck in modern right now, using a delirium toolbox package with traverse and ishkanah.

speaking of shit brews I got soft locked by sun titan + lunar force

really made me think

>>52611701
Lmao cucked

Why is the only actually good blue card in modern snapcaster and literally nothing else?

>>52611673
>>52611653
top kek

it's actually Death's Shadow Jund, in case you actually wanted an answer.

>>52611751
My honest guess is that WotC wants Modern and Legacy to be distinguishable, so they keep decks that extremely good in that format, like blue decks and dredge, underpowered in Modern.
I don't think it's a good idea, but WotC almost never has any of those.

>>52611701
Fun fact about lunar force (that isn't relevant to this thread). There is no "if you do" clause. So Assault Suit+Opalescence+Lunar Force.

>>52611701
Just cast two spells in one turn

>>52611798
>Dredge
>Good in Legacy
It's okay, not that greay

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>>52611673
>tfw someone used my meme to meme someone else
Today is a good day.