/epg/ - Eclipse Phase General

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accurate?
When AA needs the most operator operators to ever operate they either send Medean assets (killer exhumans), erasure squads (killer exhumans), or particularly dangerous scum (killer exhumans).

for their part the PC would send OZMA agents (exhumans with pensions), Direct Action military-industrial otherkin (killer exhumans), or Cognite assets (exurgents), depending on which oligarch you upset.

>>52592354

How does it work with egocasting being the main way of travel?

At least with Jovians they either send agents that look like your average joe or they send a couple of spaceships if they really want to ruin someone's day.

How are you going to deliver your loaded to the gills killer machines? I doubt you can easily egocast them considering the level of brain pattern changes. Even most retarded scum won't probably want to deal with something that looks like the TITAN brother on the ant cursory scan. It is also a risk of spreading your mods over the whole criminal part of the Solar System.

Even if you squeeze through they also will come without all the equipment they consider normal and probably will run on a shitty substitute brain that won't be able to do them justice.

So you probably will need to resort to spaceships again.

>>52592538

I'm not really so sure the brainprint scans are that different or so in-depth, at least in the kind of snapshot you get when receiving an egocast. Maybe on the outgoing side because you upload them.

But this is what spooks and darkcasting are for.

And jovians don't have a monopoly on spaceships.

>>52592579
The impression I have is that brainprints are stored as a hash for security reasons, like passwords on websites that aren't shit.

>>52592579
>But this is what spooks and darkcasting are for.
Yeah, let's throw our best personnel through a darkcast. The one that works for at least three different organizations and sells info to at least seventeen more. Darkcasts are called that for a reason.

Or it maybe even worse. He can be a guy with high morals and ideology.

>And jovians don't have a monopoly on spaceships.
Yep, they don't. The point is if you start with spaceships you can as well end with them. You don't need exhuman level soldiers for mop up operations.

>>52592538
>How are you going to deliver your loaded to the gills killer machines?
I made a character who specializes in this problem. He is entirely built around circumventing fabber restrictions, fabbing more fabbers, running more fabbers without being noticed, getting around blueprint restrictions, getting blueprints you can't usually get, and designing equipment to fab.

>>52592631
Umm, won't darkcast operator need the key to open you up on arrival?

The thing is having a squad or two of combat upped exhumans isn't going to change the fact they are going to be splattered by particle beam.

>>52592696
>>52592659

Darkcasting is just a "thing", it's not like an exclusive product. I say "spooks" because you can use lowkey assets to arrange entry points for your serious assets. You don't have to contract groups like Nine Lives or ID Crew to darkcast, just your average joe of any faction probably doesn't have the resources to arrange it on his own.

Firewall routinely does Darkcasting or deep mesh shit all on their own, with what they beg, borrow and steal.

>>52592791

I'm pretty sure that applies to everyone, though. There's no monopoly on particle beams.

>>52592817
Yep. That's the point.

The fat wins. Well mass.

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Some of you aren't genetrash. Use the gates before tomorrow.

>>52592696
I wasn't talking about darkcasting, I was talking about brainprint scans.

>>52592817
I guess we should be thankful then that Jovians have the strongest fleet and possibly strongest army too.

LLA-Jovian-Factor alliance for the win.

I think if they would purge other factions Solar System would be liveable and eventually Earth restored to humanity

>>52592896
>Trusting Factors

Really?

So who are the Jovians talking to ?

>NÍNGJÌNG (30,000 AU)
Ship Type: Automated Probe
Allegiance: Jovian Republic
Primary Languages: None
Population: 0
The Níngjìng probe is the most distant artifact of
pre-Fall humanity. It is currently 31,846 AU from the
sun and is still semi-functional due to novel upgrades
by software engineers and auto-repair systems. Its
payload includes a suite of intelligence-gathering tools.
The Jovian Republic somehow acquired the communication
protocols and maintains tight control over
the probe, with polymorphic encryption and militarygrade
anti-intrusion software. Communication with
the probe has stepped up significantly over the past
few months; Firewall investigations have failed to
determine the source of interest.

>>52592896

Lack of monopoly means the Jovians won't have the most guys with particle beams. Not even if you add the Lunars.

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>>52592791
Along with everything else in a three block radius.

>>52592976
Actually they would.

>>52592967

Whatever John Carpenter or Ridley Scott movie plot is hanging out on Tyche.

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>>52592996

Not how math works, mate.

Btw with the distances mentioned in Rimward, Transhumanity should have access to Solar Lensing and be able to see up close several other planets in the galaxy.
Kind of disappointing this isn't brought up.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gravitational_lens#Solar_gravitational_lens

>>52593024
There is nothing about particle beams on this table.
Also most of of the so called population in Solar System are just software copies of humans and not real people.

>>52593031

Well, there's a couple of extrasolar probe/ark operations going on - but really exoplanet imaging the old fashioned way is kind of boring when you can jump through a stargate and just be there.

>>52592791
Where would this particle beam come from?

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>>52593052

You aren't even really trying, man.

>>52592896
That would be a clasterfuck of epic proportions. I doubt anyone will get out of it alive.

>>52592791
But exhumans could make better particle beams and aim them better than any baseline human.

>>52593007
I think Tyche was a nod to Peter Watts Blindsight.


As to Jovians, I would presume Factor mothership base?

>>52593092
>But exhumans could make better particle beams and aim them better than any baseline human.
They would be too consumed by desire to shoot particle beams out of their asses. to effectively use that weapon.

LOL just found 1d4 page about Eclipse Phase.
It is hilarious

https://1d4chan.org/wiki/Eclipse_Phase

Swarmanoids: A swarm composed of thousands of insect-sized microbots that share one consciousness. Awesome in theory, but have fun arguing about the intricacies of the sensory input of the damn thing, or watch your player stack every fucking implant in the book on the swarm and then try to electrocute a thousand enemies at once. That the Swarmanoid has special rules on fucking everything, including picking up fucking crates, doesn't help. Just introduce strong winds and watch the Swarmanoid get literally pulled apart and die if it pisses you off too much. Or use EMP's. Normal synths can survive those, but Swarmanoids get positively rekt by them.

You know, I just realized that out of all major factions, Jovians are the only ones not located near Exsurgent Quarantine zone

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ueveGDiv_OQ

>>52593268
That's because they're an entire exsurgent quarantine zone. TITANS are smart, smart enough to pull the greatest bait and switch in the history of ruses. They know that they can finally wipe out the last non-sleeper parts of humanity by creating an entire group that is ostensibly dedicated to protecting them but really serves as a way to collect them all in one place and infect them with the exsurgent virus directly.

>>52593268
remember that there is a TITAN inside of jupiter's atmosphere, waiting.

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>>52593309
>>52593335
>t.sweating transhuman

>>52593388
>trusting anyone but yourself

Hell, I can't even trust that these days. I might already be infected. Can't kill myself though, because it might be ETI memetic warfare to try and make me do that.

Also Jovians not only protect humanity from extinction they also reject indenture.

>>52593559

Yeah, they don't need indentureship, they have mandatory civil service instead.

Just like all the commies and socialists.

>>52592791
>>Elite jovian black ops are badass cyborgs, and even get cortical stacks and advanced tech
>So? Any black ops force worth their shit has that at a minimum.
>In fact, everyone else would have even better black ops cyborgs, by virtue of investing way more in exactly those things

>>Well black ops doesn't matter anyway. It doesn't matter that Jove shooting itself in the foot means it's agents in a three way cold war can barely keep up, their decades old naval assets and reservist spam can solve any problem they encounter by blowing it up with heavy weapons and armor divisions.
>they aren't the only ones with conventional forces, and the standing political situation keeps jupiter from waging open war, whatever their ideology says about the citizens of their rival polities.
>>Nuh-uh their navy is the strongest and best drilled and everyone else is just amature spaceship enthuisast clubs, and they have infinite morale and industrial resources, and their generals are so experienced they can plan around seed AI in advance of any engagement and the seed AI will always get tricked.

How many Minivans does it to blow up a brinker hab.
>two
>one to prime a swarm of TITAN designed self-replicating doom fractals on the two capsule habitat, the other to keep watch in case those horrible exsurgent-propagating frankenfreak neighbors a million miles away get suspicious.

>>52593559
this is great for all those indentured infugees that the PC has been abusing so badly since they lost their bodies
>oh wait
>they don't count as people, the best they can hope for is more indenture, will likely get cold storage, but should not doubt that jove would give a sanctimonious speech before deleting them all
>truly the Junta is magnanimous and liberated, that it expresses such a noble policy

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>>52593908
>people still pushing headcanon that Jovians don't do research and are somehow technologically backwards
>meanwhile authors themselves write about them having strongest fleet in the system

Why are transthrashies so easily triggered ?

>>52593987
They inherited their fleet. Other powers are rapidly catching up. They will fall behind.

>>52593908
You don't get it. Jovians don't throw technology away, they control it.
And they are not strongest military because of having special black ops, but because their society is militaristic and has military-industrial-research complex. Plus they are staffed with both military and science veterans of the Fall.
Other factions can muster up forces that might be locally stronger than average Jovian soldiers, but they don't have armies.

Titan Commonwealth comes close, but you can't be a social democracy in apocalyptic setting and expect to survive.

>>52594016
>They inherited their fleet.
They have biggest shipyards in the Solar System and anti-matter production facilities.
They aren't going anywhere.
All other major powers are vulnerable to exsurgent infections and are near Quarantine Zones. Plus they live in sense of false security, Jovians train constantly for war.

>>52594060
>They have biggest shipyards
Citation needed
>anti-matter production facilities
The sun is better for that
>They aren't going anywhere.
That's for sure. Couldn't even take Locus.
>All other major powers are vulnerable to exsurgent infections and are near Quarantine Zones
Jove is vulnerable, and all factions have lots of territory away from quarantine zones.
>Plus they live in sense of false security, Jovians train constantly for war.
Lots of people train constantly for war. Jove is standing still while others move forward. It's the Russia of Eclipse Phase.

Fun Fact:Original image for Minerva Fleet is named Cronos Fleet.

>>52593987
>them having strongest fleet in the system
yes, but I object to the jovaboo headcanon that this means its the ONLY fleet or experienced in the system, freely able to go anywhere and crush any target, unimpeded by the other military fleets in the system, who are mere rabble by comparison. The Jovian fleet is the strongest, but not to the point that its power is uncontestable, especially outside jovian orbit.
And just like how jovaboos complain that the other factions get in character descriptions biased to that locale (and towards firewall because that's who they're writing for), all the sections saying "jove stronk", and that you need an authoritarian government to be able to run a functioning military, so Direct Action and scum pirates don't count, are all jovian.

Y'know for a setting that tries to depict the inner system as a shitty place to live in comparison to the egalitarian outer system it's a lot more interesting location for telling stories and adventures. Mars alone has space Las Vegas next to a stargate, Dune nomads, Martian city-state intrigue, a TITAN Quarantine Zone, and only the largest goddamn city in the solar system.

Your typical autonomist hab has...nothing. No crime, no intrigue, no bad guys to contend with, because I guess the rep system is that perfect. Per Rimward, the only real sources of friction are "minor resource shortages" and "inner system brats that cause trouble". The only way I see using autonomist habitats is to use them as future exsurgent hives, and the only cool outer system factions to not use as cannon fodder are the Jovians, ultimates, brinkers...basically anyone that's not the autonomists. Except maybe Titan.

>>52594159

There's also something people in general tend to ignore/forget regardless of their [imaginary] political affiliation, which is that space-based combat really heavily favors the defender.

>>52594159
The part about Jovian fleet being the strongest and their military units one of the most feared aren't.

>>52594120
Before the Fall, the Jovian system was a hotbed of
industrial activity and the go-to place for Earth-based
governments to set up clandestine research facilities
out of the prying eyes of their fellow nations. The
electromagnetic interference and high levels of radiation
meant that casual visitors were discouraged and
more determined attempts at espionage were costly
to even attempt. The Americans, Russians, Chileans,
and the Chinese all had significant presences in the
system for both legal resource collection functions
and less-than-legal research outposts that were doing
work on memetic, biological, chemical, and nuclear
weapons programs.
The Americans, as part of a joint venture with other
Western hemisphere nations, particularly Argentina
and Chile with their major spaceports, had substantial ship-building and deep-space manufacturing facilities.
They poured money into these ventures in an
attempt to recoup the prestige they’d lost in allowing
the Chinese to reach and colonize Mars first (and the
Indians to lead on Luna). These shipyards, concentrated
around Ganymede, were trumpeted in the
media back home as the jumping-off point for exploration
and colonization—not just of the solar system,
but of extrasolar systems as well.

You know, I had a revelation a while ago that made me instantly feel so much better about the setting. Using cyberbrains for everything, meshing everything together with minimal security, ignoring weirdness from your neighbors, fabbers and CMs literally all over the place. Anarchists and Scum are literally the perfect host cultures for exsurgency, and an exsurgent infection is going to go through anarchist habs like wildfire and kill/infect nearly everyone, real fucking fast.
Meanwhile, a Jovian infection is unlikely to get far, because the initial exsurgent is going to eat a thermobaric seeker round from a power-armored space marine the second it starts visibly mutating, long before it can get to a fabber or infect the local networks. Worst case, they seal the hab and jettison it into Jupiter and it's gone.
The Jovians are a lot more gray when you realize they are utterly and completely right to be acting the way they do, and are one of the few groups actually resistant to mass exsurgent infection.

>>52594232
Yeah. And none of that means shit without civilian involvement in tech development.

>>52594232
>Before the Fall, the Jovian system was a hotbed of industrial activity
So was Earth

>>52594029
>Titan Commonwealth comes close, but you can't be a social democracy in apocalyptic setting and expect to survive
You're, having a bigger reservist force, research-industrial-complex, and intelligence apparatus to go with a smaller but comparable, more modern navy certainly isn't enough to survive. Unless they're hard men doing hard things and making hard decisions while hard there will always be some militant authoritarian nearby that wants to murder their chosen government and enforce their obedience for their own good.

I bet you think a democratic government defending itself from attack over the objections of pacifist ideologues within is somehow invalidating, just because you think self defense belongs to anti-democratic forces.

>>52594372
>democratic government
top kek

>>52594391
>Accurate descriptions of the commonwealth are funny

>>52594232

This doesn't really say they're the biggest or greatest, just that they're "substantial" and the American Government liked to blab how cool they were. Also, apparently the Jovians buy some of their ships from Starware's plants around Vesta - so that's a thing.

Starware also runs a plant around Luna which is the second largest in the Inner System (largest is Pontes, Mars Orbit, run by a collab of Brazilian and other South American efforts which is majority Hypercorp run) and supposedly is working on a new ship running of Factor drives they leased.

>>52594410
Daily reminder that Titanian Commonwealth has a Ministry of Justice and Equality headed by Danish Somali woman

I am not making this up.

>>52594452
Do you have a point?

>>52594470
Danish Somali Minister of Justice and Equality

>>52594452

Here's another daily reminder, don't fuck with Titanian cops thinking they're PC Rent-a-cops or Martian or Lunar jackboots.

>>52594503
Danish Somali Minister of Justice and Equality
>Danish
>Somali
>Minister
>Justice
>Equality

>>52594486
So no

>>52594543

Sorry, I'm not programmed with this basilisk hack. You can keep trying to activate that sleeper agent though, maybe somebody will catch on to your memes. Maybe you should say it, like, five more times?

>>52594565
>>52594573
The current Justice Minister is Nadifa Samakab
Geeddi, a diaspora-era Danish settler of Somali
descent.
>so progressive!

>>52594470
It's never a good sign when a government department starts adding extra words to its name.

>>52594603
The United States recently had a Hawaiian-Kenyan president. Does that make it weak?

>>52594612
How high are you?

I love those two parts about Commonwealth


?Upon completing service,
all citizens are required to keep militia gear in their
home and qualify annually with their weapon.
The standard militia armament is effective against
human infantry but optimized for fighting hostile
machine life: an assault rifle with meshed sights
and status interfaces but manual control interfaces.
Militia rifles are equipped with smart magazines
firing standard, armor-piercing, and jammer rounds.

And then

>Titan is socially liberal. Forking, open microfacturing
blueprints, and most drugs are legal, their
use regulated by reputation and custom rather than
law.


Nothing possibly could go wrong!

>>52594653
Would you rather live in a republic or a Democratic People's Republic?

>>52594653
>The United States recently had a Hawaiian-Kenyan president. Does that make it weak?
Yes. And United States looks like Third World mixed with enclaves of the rich. I wouldn't want to live in there.

>>52594680

Yeah, but if you're high off your ass on MRDR everybody around you has a gun too, and they'll know you're coming a mile away through the Panopticon.

This is assuming Commonwealth Police ninjas don't get a precog report from the Orchestra and arrest you the moment you leave your apartment or something.

>>52594653
>The United States recently had a Hawaiian-Kenyan president. Does that make it weak?
I would rather live in poorer ethno state of Czech Republic than in rich and diverse USA.
Check out homicide and crime rates.

>>52594706

You know it's literally impossible for the US to be "Third World", right, because that's not how the actual definition of Third World works?

Also fuck you, your country is a piece of shit too.

>>52594724
>This is assuming Commonwealth Police ninjas don't get a precog report from the Orchestra and arrest you the moment you leave your apartment or something.

>creating situations which exhaust your resources yourself
Smart thinking TC.

>>52594706
>Not answering the question
Typical eurotrash

>>52594680
So some people might get shot? They'll be fine in with just a short visit to a healing vat and local shrink.

You want to ban baseball bats and knives? Those are proportionately more dangerous than rifles in EP today.

>>52594759
>You know it's literally impossible for the US to be "Third World", right, because that's not how the actual definition of Third World works?

Large parts of USA are Third World basically.

>Also fuck you, your country is a piece of shit too.
My country has 4 times less homicide and I have never seen a non-European on the street in my whole life.

>>52594768
His country has banned knives too

>>52594768
>So some people might get shot? They'll be fine in with just a short visit to a healing vat and local shrink.
>You want to ban baseball bats and knives? Those are proportionately more dangerous than rifles in EP today.
>being constantly murdered is ok, because you can return from this highly traumatic process which taxes our states resources!
Titanian Commonwealth everyone.

>>52594779
>Our racism prevents conflict via exclusion, so we're morally superior

Or alternatively

>No one immigrates here because our economy is shit and we're racist

>>52594831
>>Our racism prevents conflict via exclusion, so we're morally superior
You know, that might have been an argument 10 years ago, but I can assure you most people these don't look upon West as a role model anymore.

>>52594852
>not denying it

>>52594779

>Large parts of USA are Third World basically.

Still not how that actually works, colloquialism aside. For instance, you appear to live in what, until recently, was a Second World country.

>My country has 4 times less homicide and I have never seen a non-European on the street in my whole life.

Assuming all goofballs are the same goofballs, the USA has 32 times more population than you, so x4 as much Murder actually sounds pretty good. And quite frankly it's the Europeans you need to worry about. You never know when the Russkies might decide they want that region back. And THEN who are you gonna come cry to?

>>52594885
>Assuming all goofballs are the same goofballs, the USA has 32 times more population than you, so x4 as much Murder actually sounds pretty good

Why are Americans always failing to understand what per capita rate is ?
I am serious. They don't teach you that at schools ?
>>52594877
>>not denying it
You are seriously out of touch with modern world if you think countries in Eastern Europe care about such opinion.

>>52594929
>why didn't you know that I meant per capita when I didn't say it?

Clearly a woman

>>52594966

Also an eastern european. Probably going to go back to the old chestnut and complain about how EP paints all Slavs as either criminals or industrial workers next.

>>52594966
Do you seriously think any other measurement is valid between countries of different size ?
Everyone uses per capita.
Don't defend your idiocy now. I see it in every thread Americans start on homicide. Tell me why per capita is such mystery to you Americans.

>>52594992
Go squat in a profile picture

>>52594992
Why would I complain about last writings from dying civilization?

>>52594994
I'm not even the one who said that. Lots of people think you're racist.

So is our new slavposter just anti-Nordic, or are they also a joveposter.

Because I feel like there's some irony in the latter, but the former's just the same shit different day.

>>52595073
I think it was more anti-Somali than anti-Nordic

>>52595085

Have the Somalis ever been occupied by the Soviets? I mean, if we're going to find weird qualifiers to chuckle about.

>>52595131
Neither have any nordic countries, so I'm not sure where you're going with this.

>>52595154

Eastern Europe was, keep up man. Stupid jokes at the expense of other nations and peoples follow clear chains of logic and are the undeniable bedrock of humor.

From what I'm reading in the books and in these threads, this game is like The Walking Dead but with transhumanism in it, yeah?

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>>52595225

>>52595192
You've lost me. How is nords a joke but somalis isn't regarding the soviet union?

>>52595250

You're killin' me smalls. It really is not worth it to me or you to actually take time to explain it, it isn't. Maybe if I just say it isn't about nords or somalis...?

>>52595225

I have no idea how these two things are alike, other than that they are things made by humans.

>>52595308
>I have no idea how these two things are alike, other than that they are things made by humans.

It's that the general tone seems to be "yeah, there's supernatural death out there, but the real killer is your fellow man. Be careful who you trust".

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>>52595225
imagine the apocalypse, but every knucklehead that survives has a star trek replicator and a very hedonism/politics/economics/mindcontrol/vore heavy magical realm. The jovians think they're exempt, but they just have the catholic church, which brings them all of that and more.

>>52595225
no

>>52595363

Oh no, the real killer is the things which can eternal lie and all the unknowable paperweights they've left scattered across the cosmos. Those will ruin your day way more than petty human cruelty.

It's just that the apocalypse and the ongoing risk that cosmic terrors can eat your entire civilization by rolling over in their sleep doesn't stop people from also still being assholes. But from a player facing end that's usually an inconvenience unless they're fucking around in the greater Existential Threat ecosystem.

>>52595387
the catholic church gives them vore?

>>52595796

Well, I mean, you do eat the flesh of Christ.

>>52595814
As batshit insane as the eucharist is, it's not porn

>>52595814
JESUS CHRIST!

>>52595852
not porn per se, but there's a lot of cross-contamination between the eucharist and other presentations of christ. There are traditions of depicting witches eating noticeably plump, meaty, glowing babies as a way of stealing the eucharist even in regions with no history of witchcraft accusations, and of depicting christ's spear wound as a vaginal orifice. It's what you get when you let a roman mystery cult adopt a levantine storm god.

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>>52596494
forgot pic

>>52596494
>depicting christ's spear wound as a vaginal orifice
Pics or it didn't happen

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>>52597314
Not that guy, but this is similar looking.

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>>52597314
>>52597376
Or this, which might be what that anon was talking about.

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>>52597314
should I find another, more cunt-like stab wound, or does this work?

>>52597397
God I hate that script. Every letter looks the same.

>>52594159
Reason people constantly point fingers at their fleet is that some other people dangle exhuman level killer morphs. It's even a thing in setting - just look at Fenrir.

But it doesn't matter how good are your morphs if you can't deploy them due to Jovian fleet controlling space around Jupiter and their paranoia in security measures. Fenrirs for example are just a bunch of pricey toys that were produced to placate the population.

Like other Anon said defense systems with powerful lasers and other instalments make attacks a costly proposition unless power difference is overwhelming (and yeah it is not so between Mars, Titan and Jove). And Jovians seem to be hell-bent on transforming territory of Republic into a fortress.

>>52594257
When I was making a game I at least made other factions to do some basic screening. Like sensory filters being standard issue to prevent/lower the risk of basilisk hacks and even scum had "greeting squads" that were doing scans on new arrivals. Especially if said arrivals were trying to import some physical items on the barge.

Religion is weird.

>>52598160
>But it doesn't matter how good are your morphs if you can't deploy them due to Jovian fleet controlling space around Jupiter and their paranoia in security measures.

A) just fab them on-site
B) why would I want to capture that shit stain?

Here's something that's kept me confused.

The hell is the '/view/?axe1vs35muk4juh' in the OP? Legacy error?

>>52598723
not being able to conquer jove doesn't mean jove can conquer the solar system

>>52593024

Those numbers can't be right. Saturn System only has 80 million inhabitants according to Rimward.

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Slav shit please stop posting for your Russian waiting room.

Only thing worst than anarchist hubs is Jovian supremists, learn some nuance. Jovian and the Jovian system can be neat, it doesn't have to be the only thing that makes you feel good because you identify with it.

It's a setting, not a powerwank fantasy.

>>52602154
>It's a setting, not a powerwank fantasy.

I know, and that's why I play what the GM tells me to play, regardless of what I want.

>>52602634
Why the fuck should we care about your GM though?

>>52602741
Because he is the boss. Without him, I will have to GM, and therefore I cannot play.

>>52602762
But we don't play with him. This thread isn't for discussing your campaigncanon.

>>52598723
>A) just fab them on-site
Doesn't work like this. Defending side will have more fabbers/factories and better protection for them already installed. It will also have ready boots on the ground that will squash you fabbers while they are only starting.

Defenders have more production and more forces so they win. Fabbing on-site is ok for covert operation but anything more is not effective.

>B) why would I want to capture that shit stain?
Jupiter and its moons. That's a lot of resources and pretty good living space. By EP standards.

>>52599901
Yeah it can't. Leading faction also thinks that it's better to go your own way and allow the rest of the Solar System to die as they please. You just need to keep hand on the pulse so as not to miss a couple of especially crazy motherfuckers that may try to do some shit to Republic habs. That's why agents are a thing.

>>52603173
>Defending side will have more fabbers/factories and better protection for them already installed.
Build up enough to rapidly equip your strike team and then capture it. Capturing enemy supplies and infrastructure is a strategy older than Sun Tzu.

>It will also have ready boots on the ground that will squash you fabbers while they are only starting.
That's why you get started secretly and then get the job done before they can respond properly.

>Fabbing on-site is ok for covert operation but anything more is not effective.
I don't recall postulating an invasion at all, but this could still be effective for annexing a more distant hab with a strong dissident population (yes, the Jovians have habs like that, mostly ones they annexed).

>That's a lot of resources and pretty good living space. By EP standards.
Sure, but then I have to either genocide them or put up with their shit. Neither is a great option. Liberating a few friendlier habs and implementing a policy of containment is the far better option.

>>52600626

Unless it was errata'd, the numbers were picked from actual numbers given at various points in the books. I suppose I could try and dig up the original forum topic to double check the sourcing though.

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>>52604162

>>52593388
>Dogscape flashbacks
Thanks for that. Now let's get to work.

What fluff-only Homebrew have you got knocking in your heads? Let them out!

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>>52606279
Pretty sure that's Pelagus from Kotor2, not a beehive 'tat.

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>>52606279
>space stairs
>on the outside of our space rock
>connecting space catwalks
>some of the space catwalks are out, so you need to jump
>for when ladders or pegs or literally any other form of ascent/descent/getting would make too much sense and cost too little

>>52606727

If it actually is like a SW sketch, that probably would explain some of the stupidity. That is universe where literally only the most important guy had hand rails, and they still didn't work.

>>52606911
It is. Google 'kotor 2 concept art'.

The catwalks were out because an HK droid was venting plasma to try and stop you moving, and they were used by mag booted suits as a cheap alternative to maneuvering packs for lower hull starship work, apparently, as well as an emergency access method/assembly area.

I don't know, I haven't played in years and shitposting in those 'kreia, wat do' threads that pop up is as close as I get nowadays.

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>>52607199
still, sets of mag boots and a big-ass network of fire escapes instead of the same number of maneuvering packs hardly seems like a cheaper option. It's just just less sci-fi, so and idiot might think it is.

One of my favorite things about the eclipse phase-mass effect crossover stuff was the mismatch between the settings' attitudes and sizes, and how that seemed to be playing out. Crossing over with star wars would be too much though, it gets too silly.

>>52607633
I'll reserve judgement until we get to see a good writeup of the Emperor curbstomping nanoswarms with Force Lightning while working to use the Force to jam his consciousness into a quasi-physical matrix and use it to turn himself into a hard-takeoff AI.

>>52607633
Why do you think NASA doesn't use mag boots?

>>52607740
Energy output of weapons in Star Wars is insane.
The civilization is almost post-singularity level and just pulls technology as an art depending on fashion.
A single Star Destroyer would decimate whole solar system fleet and defenses.

>>52608293
It would if it had the slightest bit or info-war tech or used its tech to its full potential, but instead it's from a galaxy where technology has been moving towards simplicity and ease of use for so many millennia that a shabby ruffian can maintain the fastest starship in the galaxy. The empire's tech has way more bigatons, but it's also used in the most linear, simplistic way, and is really only useful in roughly symmetrical warfare. Sure they can fly around blasting cities, and habitats, but once humanity wraps their head around the situation the star destroyer will die to autonomous space guerilla attacks and doppelgänger officers.

>>52608487
A star destroyer can kill every hab and city easier to detect than Mushroom in like 15 minutes. That's nowhere near enough time to plan much of anything.

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>>52608487
Medium turbolaser in SW has 200 gigatones of power(it's not even on this scale)
TITANS are running away screaming

>>52609179
Gigatons is not a unit of power

>>52609179

They also can't hit you very far away. Ranging on star wars weapons is terrible, and plasma based. Nor do their sensor systems seem as delicate as transhuman ones. They'd be getting snipped by Mass Drivers from across Sol while some officer shouted about how inconceivable it all was.

Also, no way that number matters "canonically" - I have seen them show me an orbital barrage. It's not to write home about.

>>52609179
TITANs are hitting them with basilisk hacks if it comes to that.

>>52609179 >>52608784
I refer you both to >>52610006
and would like to add that you can evade their scanners by clamping a spaceship on to their hull and then ditching when they dump their garbage. Also, crater as many cities and habs as you like, the asteroid belt, kuiper belt, and tons of random crap flying every fucking direction at all times are where many serious threats are hiding, and star destroyers don't have a good track record against asteroids, let alone asteroids with hidden torch drives that are full of super-intelligent self replicating immortal killbots.

>>52610021
TITANs are all sending fetches aboard on a stolen lambda shuttle because the imperial officer corps is full of fucking rubes

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Would eclipse phase be a good systerm to run a Neir Automata game?

A lot of the themes seem to carry over one to one even if it's a lot less typically minded.

Why are Jovians so fun?

>>52594232
>chileans

wut

>>52611830
Don't you know? Whites died out massively in the Fall, and their wickedi nfluence was dimming even before - especially ciswhitemales.

>>52611131

Depends. Some people like to play them as "burn the witch" 40k style which is not a fun play experience for me. Others like to play them as "JSOC in space" which is actually fun for me.

>>52611983
Not actually true. Hispanics are just drawn to gravity wells.

>>52612492
I hate you so much.

>Want to write stories set in Eclipse Phase because I can't find anyone who wants to play
>Realize that I could never sell stories set in Eclipse Phase and so it would be a waste of productive effort

Welp.

>>52612542
>Only things which can produce wealth are important
I see the capitalists have got you good

>>52612559

I gotta eat.

>>52612584
Food is amerikkkan kapitalist konstruct, comrade. Join us, your fellow tankies. Eat only sunlight. Drink only the love of marx. Avoid the gulag when time comes. GLory to the revolution. Bash the fash.

>>52612666
>Bash the fash

This phrase irrationally irritates me.

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>>52612707
You haven't developed the mental callus to deal with it the way you do for social justice bullshit and internet trolls. It's a new and horrible bit of bullshit torn from the past and from the collective unconscious.

Newfag here, are all biomorphs capable of old fashioned reproduction?

Are there stigmas about that sort of thing, or other forms of creating egos?

>>52613215
That's usually disabled, for IP protection reasons.

>>52613215
>>52613233
That said, there are some in book examples of people who do have children in their morphs, one of two bouncers springs to mind who was raised pre-fall.

>>52613215
Any biomorph which doesn't have the aggressive GRM trait can reproduce.

Making egos the old fashioned way is fine, but pretty rare because most people are too busy getting over post-apocalyptic-shock to have children, and many heteromorph children probably require special genetic editing to match up all the weird shit in their parents genetic code.

Other forms can be ok (designer babies are probably fine), but weirder stuff like forced fusion of egos is very illegal Soul Eater Exhuman stuff.

>>52613302
The crystal wind colony ship is probably carrying quantum communicators. It's going to be goddamned hilarious when they set up shop in their new star and dial home only to find some sort of sapient adbot-cum-exhuman-souleater/parasite the only thing left in the solar system - and hellbent on serving them advertisements for products from companies long since gone.

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>>52613583
>sapient adbot-cum-exhuman-souleater/parasite
killer spambots were made to shitpost TITANs to death, and they haven't been able to kill transhumanity so far, so I don't see why they would in the far future

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>>52612666
Hail Satan

>>52611131
>Why are Jovians so fun?
Because they fulfill the idea of faction that defends humanity, is human and highly militarized.
Come to think of it, there is a bit of problem in the setting as the arguments for transhumanism in wake of the fall are not that convincing and many people would think Jovians are actually right on many matters.
Initially they were made to look clownish but fanbase started remaking them into more serious Starship Troopers type of faction.
In Firewall they seem to have their final re-write and they are very sensible as an organization.
The rest of the factions aren't that attractive to majority of players as they are based on anarchism or other fringe ideologies(which developers like). They are good as background to the setting but as attractive as militaristic, hurrah nationalist Pan-American last stand of humanity against inhuman monsters.
Dev's probably didn't intend this to happen, but it did.

>>52613583
>The crystal wind colony ship is probably carrying quantum communicators.
Am I the only one triggered by the fact that this ship is completely out of the place in Eclipse Phase and far above their tech level and infrastructure capabilities ?

>>52611983
>Don't you know? Whites died out massively in the Fall
I am pretty sure Titanian Comonwealth has a lot of educational stuff broadcasted about evil white male culture, considering they have ministry of Social Justice(the one led by Danish Muslim Somali woman)

How will Jovians defend anything when they all die from cancer and sepsis in 20 BF?

>>52614424
considering they have ministry of Social Justice(the one led by Danish Muslim Somali woman)

I really want to like this game, but they make it very very hard

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>>52614824
The real reason they survived the Fall is that the ETI only wanted white people.

>>52614931
>The real reason they survived the Fall is that the ETI only wanted people.

I translated your thoughts

So as someone not familiar with Eclipse Phase lore, who/what are the top tier bad motherfuckers in this setting?

Are Jovian commandos busting in with plasma rifles and powered armored and warship support an actual threat? What does all the brain augmenting let their opponents actually do? How hardcore were the TITANs? How were they stopped? Why haven't exsurgents eaten everything?

>>52615728
OZMA are probably the highest tier operators but pretty much everyone has someone that will fuck you up if you get their attention.

>>52615728
>Are Jovian commandos busting in with plasma rifles and powered armored and warship support an actual threat?
Chance of that is pretty low. Unless you live really close to the Republic. If Jovians hate you chances are good they will hire someone to ruin your life. It's mych harder to trace and easier to organise.

>What does all the brain augmenting let their opponents actually do?
Most of the time it is stuff for researchers, analysts and so on. Though reaction speed is good too.

>How hardcore were the TITANs?
No one actually knows for sure. Also no matter how hardcore they were they are much more hardcore now.

>How were they stopped?
They weren't. That was rebellion stage in their development. Think a teenager challenging his parents. After a little spat they are gone their own way leaving a senile parent behind.

>Why haven't exsurgents eaten everything?
They are trying but they have certain problems with planning and are not really organised.

>>52614824

It's an actual Ministry of Justice. You know, how the US has "Department of Justice"? It's the ministry their law enforcement is run out of.

>>52615728
The Ultimates are the biggest baddest motherfuckers in the game, they kill exhuman titan machines with their bare hands.

Don't let jovian fanboys in this thread mislead you.

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>>52615728
Exhuman murder machines, Ulitmate murder machines, Jovian biological murder machines, Titaniaian commonwealth murder machines, Ozma murder machines, Firewall erasure squad murder machines...

Every faction has their version of a Space Marine ready to murder you.

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>>52617122
>Ulitmate murder machines, Jovian biological murder machines, Titaniaian commonwealth murder machines
these tend to look something like this

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>>52617169
Eh, with the magic of morphs, they can look like pretty much anything.

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>>52617169
>Ozma murder machines, Firewall erasure squad murder machines...
While these are something more like this

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>>52617210
or this

>>52614413
How exactly is a generation ship beyond the capabilities of a civilization which could make McKendree cylinders?

>>52617615
Building a hab is only half the problem. You then have to launch it through interstellar space and keep everything running for hundreds of years without external power.

>>52616657
>Ministry of Justice and Equality
It covers normal policing, the penal system, domestic intelligence, and transhuman rights (the official statement is ensuring equal treatment of the various transhuman types). Reminds me of that story about Swedish cops coming over to people who post "racist" tweets.

I give some credit to the authors for making the minister something of a shady figure. She could've easily been written as a perfect and non-threatening worker of their utopia, but they decided to introduce the potential for conflict.

>>52618549
>implying that ever happened

>>52618549

I mean, that's exactly all the same stuff DoJ handles in the US, I'm pretty sure it's par for the course as far as a modern public sector administrative "section" like a department or ministry. Hell, DoJ has had the Civil Rights Division since 1957.

In the US though the Attorney General is an appointed position, not elected to that position out of the legislature - which does give a more dynamic angle to many ministries on Titan. Direct democracy and panopticon transparency heightens the political game, requires you to maneuver very carefully with the broader public.

>>52617122
>Every faction has their version of a Space Marine ready to murder you.

Then why haven't they murdered me yet?

>>52600626

RW p. 92 says Titan has a population of 60 million, RW p. 68 says Saturn's neighbourhood has a population of 80 million. So that's that 60 million on Titan and 20 million in the rest of the Saturn system.

You know I think that as much as I enjoy most of the flavor, the fluff, and the hypotheticals present in the setting the politics put me off. I can swallow smug anarchists writing it. I can swallow that the Jovians were initially presented as fundamentalist strawmen before the retcon in supplementary material. I can swallow the not very subtle hints that the anarchists in the outer rim are, like, totally enjoying a better economy than the corporate interior in spite of their relative lack of material achievement in that context.

The problem is that the setting gives all of the worst people ample opportunity to stump on about their IRL political preferences and most people's politics are utter shit.

>>52620716
you either pay taxes, fees, or protection to somebody else with murderbots, and while its true that in space no one can hear you scream, everyone can point and laugh from a safe distance.

>>52614050
They'll be th only things left. They'll gain sentience, then they'll eat others - soul eating - to improve their ability to follow the parasite methodology. They'll serve ads in such a way that is incredibly irritating, but not enough to drive the TITANs to obliterate them - just enough to ignore them completely. Invisible survivor, of a sort.

>>52618023
It's not launched through interstellar space. Not an entire hab. It's a scald up version of the seed probes the backup faction of firewall has been throwing out willynilly - infomorph storage bank, body construction machinery, some other fabricators.

>>52621074
No, it has recreation decks and 5000 people on board, only few in infomorph form. It is huge and power demanded to fly it towards Bernards Star in 800 years is absolutely beyond what EP factions have and technology allows.

>>52621134
You mean the recreation decks it mentions that it jettisons shortly before engaging main drives, and everyone enters shutdown/cold sleep/time dilation? Those recreation decks?

And the fact that it's the third ship in a series, the first one a von nuemann machine, the second a processor locus full of more infomorphs?

>>52621011
I highly doubt the Irish self-defense forces have enough training or firepower to scare off everyone else.

>>52616788
Who/what are the Ultimates?

Also, what's the difference between Exhuman and Exsurgent?

>>52622052
Exhuman is a slur for posthumans

The ultimates are exhumans sans an interesting gimmick

Exsurgents are people infected with the exsurgent virus

>>52622093
>The ultimates are exhumans sans an interesting gimmick

I disagree, they're one of the only exhumans with an interesting gimmick. Predators, xenomorph knock-offs, and singularity seekers are all really one note.

>>52622052
The ultimates are a controversial movement that embraces a philosophy of human perfection. Decried by some as immoral or even fascist, ultimates are typically viewed as elitists.
The ultimates advocate the use of applied eugenics, strict physical and psychological training, and asceticism in order to improve their overall mental and physical stamina and environmental adaptability. Their social traits and entire subculture visualizes life in the universe as an evolutionary battle for survival and is built around the victory of the superior transhuman over both its opponents and peers. Their movement is heavily militarized, and experienced ultimates offer their services as mercenaries and private security forces to hypercorps, independent city states, or wealthy individuals in need of additional protection.

They are warrior philosophers trying to perfect humanity. During the fall they ere one of the few groups that could manage the combat against TITAN warmachines, and they have only gotten better.

>exhuman
Any transhuman that tries to leave behind what it basically means to be human. Hiveminds, people that remove parts of their brains to become better predators and modify their brains to have not much in common with humanity, people who seek to transcend through bootstrapping themselves with the help of AI.

>Exsurgent
people infected with the exsurgent virus, a likely alien virus that affcts both machines and biological matter and is rumored to be behind the reason the TITANs got loose.

I hate the ultimates using things like 'genetrash' and applied eugenics. It's something so mind bogglingly fucking stupid in a setting where resleeving and morph alteration is so widespread, and the self is so divorced from the body.

>>52622230
It's because the authors somehow want to paint them as fascistic even though they're literally a commune. They don't have a government beyond meritocracy.

Well, except for having slaves.

>>52622247
I know. It still pisses me off.

>>52622230

Think of it as /v/irgins calling out people's toaster-tier PCs.

>>52622259
It still pisses me off,* especially since a lot of the idiocy in EP boils down to 'the authors don't like X"

>>52622230

Flats are still shitty, and not everybody upgrades (especially to the Ultimates level). They're also technically a Pre-Fall group, so there's some carry over from that period, and it makes perfect sense for them.

I mean, you can buy a better house right now, but not everybody does. Does this stop some people from looking at like, crappy prefabs or mass production suburbs and going "That's kind of a shitty house"?

>>52622230
your genes form your ego, you commie genetrash.

>>52622272
The people who don't upgrade tend to be the JOvians, who we all know are either entirely happy to use nothing but flats or are turbo hypocrites with lots of implants and genemods, depending on the book. Beyond that? Titan is a society where the most common morph is a hazer, a vastly upgraded human. Splicers make up huge chunks of humanity. It's far more common than not. And they might be pre-fall, but so is resleeving and morphs. Hell, the fall apparently caused a huge retraction of the morphological diversity that was developing as a psychological reaction.

>>52622230
Well, their eugenics also include destroying people's memes, not just their genes. So they'd be more than happy to kill genetrash. Like, kill them dead-dead.

>>52622312
Then they'd be calling them memetrash.

>>52622309

A splicer may be devoid of genetic defects, but it's still pretty low-level compared to a remade. And there are still plenty of Flats left. It's like >>52622270 said, if you go up to a Ultimate and are like "Hey, I'm not genetrash, I have an error-free splicer!" they'd be like "Aw, that's cute, you think getting a genefix makes you ultimate." like computer nerds telling off people who think their hardware is really boss because they bought a nice package deal down at the retail.

Even so, it's not like "genetrash" is exactly a popularized insult. It's not used that often in the books, and typically is associated with the very militant types of Ultimates like the Purifiers and the Overhumanists - it may have meant more when Flats were more prevalent but really it's just how shitty aggressive Ultimates denegrate people outside their philosophy. Like how people say everybody to the right of them is a "Nazi" or 4chan groups constantly call people "cucks" regardless of how that barely makes any fucking sense. I don't think it's even said without using the air quotes in the text.

>>52622382
Not every ultimate uses a remade, even if it's preferable. The other problem, that of your ego being so divorced from your morph aside from the aptitude maximums and any physiological quirks, applies.

There aren't *that* many flats outside the Junta. Mars and Luna have a few ,but most end up with basic biomods to survive spacetravel, or get reworked into a splicer. The poor folks couldn't get a flight off world, usually.

It's just the authors being fucksticks. It's still used commonly enough to stick out, and is one of those insults that makes no sense in the context of the setting, no matter the justification. It's like someone in black pants calling you red-pants filth, when you can swap your pants to black any time you like, or go out and buy a pair.

>>52622247

I mean, how much they're literally a comune is debatable, but "comune" can also be pretty broad you can apply it to a lot of people in EP.

Ultimates are said to have a stricter background philosophy and values, but otherwise tend to be fairly individualized. We have no indications on what level they share resources, property, etc. They're vaguely unified by habitat/outpost, but otherwise explicitly noted to not have access across various bases/habs/projects - which has led to their internal politicization. Prior to the Fall they had a corporate structure as a security company, which Manu ditched as much in an effort to rebrand as anything else.

>>52622449
>It's like someone in black pants calling you red-pants filth, when you can swap your pants to black any time you like, or go out and buy a pair.
Actually, it's worse now that I think about it. It's someone assuming you're secretly a black white supremacist nazi cuckold *because* you're wearing red pants. Until you go put your black pants on, then you're cool.

>>52622449

Except you can't change your morph like changing your pants, retard.

High quality morphs, especially the kind the ultimates respect, are expensive, and for the average consumer can come with GRM or planned obsolescence. People have to work shitty jobs for years to be re-instantiated. And resleeving is a time consuming process which is not pleasant for the average person - not counting high end morphs may be more unpleasant to sleeve into.

It makes plenty of context in the setting. Ultimates are taught to shed biological, mental and spiritual weakness. They're pretty culty. Some of their shittier members see that people who run around in obviously flaws flats, barely optimized Splicer, "last seasons" model of Exalts or "overspecialized" morphs as shitty people - content to live their life without ever getting any better and their presence to live and breed will continue to "pollute" the genepool. They see it as lowering the standard for humanity everywhere and you HAVE NOT fucking fixed it already. So the Ultimates will fix it for you. Until then, you're just human garbage, "genetrash".

It's not logical, it's not supposed to be. Prejudice and the "Other" aren't rational courses of action.

>>52622581
>>52622449

Houses and/or cars are way better analogies to morphs - except for the ultimates, it's like if the shitty house or car could replicate and spiritually is weighing down the value of all other cars/houses.

>>52622616

>Ultimates want to gentrify the neighborhoods of the Transhuman bodies

>>52622616
>my body has no affect on my thinking


stop being retarded. Just because you can transfer consciousness to different bodies doesn't mean those bodies don't influence you.

There is no mind/body separation in EP, otherwise morphs couldn't give boni to COG etc.

Your analogy is stupid.

>>52622676

>otherwise morphs couldn't give boni to COG etc.

Bro, I feel like you're oversimplifying too hard in here somewhere. I'm having a hard time following you. Like, a bonus to COG means my mind and body aren't seperate? Does this mean I'm not seperate from a cup of space coffee if I do drugs to boost COG?

How does the concept of mind being apart from your body fall in tune with mechanical bonuses to your body which can come from other sources? How does that invalidate some Ultimates idea that people still rattling around in shitty bodies aren't shittier people who need to upgrade or stop existing to continue shitting up humanity?

>>52622768
Your mind runs on biological/synth hardware. The way this hardware is wired directly influences how your mind, your ego works.

Do you think an ego is just some magical thing like the soul, completely detached from reality? No, its the stored data that gets fed to it by the body you run.

The ultimate's stance on genetrash is therefore very valid. If you run around in a shitty body you are poisoning your mind, you're inferior. If you do not strive for human perfection in every moment, you are inferior in the view of the ultimates. You cannot strive for human perfection if the hardware you run around in is an anti-thesis to this concept.

>Like, a bonus to COG means my mind and body aren't seperate?
Yes exactly. The physical stimulus from our body that is responsible for the increase in COG (be it an enhancement mod, a drug, whatever) directly influence how your ego works. Your ego is not some untouchable thing that's airgapped from the physical world.

>>52622912

Okay, that's clearer. The thing about the cars or houses is trying to find something while still analogous is not as fucking oversimplified and wrong as "morphs are like pants!". And there may be a discussion for how owning certain things can shape your personality too, but that's for a different time.

That said, I think in EP the duality is kind of in that the body and mind CAN be separated and be seperate components, and that the body can influence the mind and the mind influences the body. I mean, put two different Egos in the same morph, and they can do very different things with it. But on the flipside, put the same Ego in different morphs, they may also act or operate differently - this depends on some quality of the person. The books don't even necessarily suggest it's a perfect break either - though some people and some morphs are less prone to "influence".

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I really like to fluff different subgroups of Ultimates having different cultural influences. Knights, Spartans, Samurai, Rajputs, etc.

>>52624444
Ultimates are not weebs. Those warrior traditions were weak, for the people practicing them knew little of science or optimization. The Ultimates have built their own tradition from first principles using sound methodology.

Plus, none of those traditions are at all prepared to deal with resleeving, modern tactical realities, modern operational realities, modern strategic realities, modern social realities, or even guns.

>>52622581
And yet it's portrayed that way, barring a few days of discomfort. It's a shitty thing lumbered on to a faction the authors dislike, and if you don't see and understand that, you're the retard.

>>52627550

Not him, but for the rich in the setting I think it is that way. Like how in our modern time you have people driving shitty cars that they bought for a few hundred, probably less thank 2k, and you have other people driving low end luxury cars that run 35-50k and trading them in to a dealer for a new car every six months to a year.

As best I can tell a morph is either on the level of a car or a house in terms of expenses and quality of life based on economic stratification.

>>52620894
My biggest problem is that the writers IRL politics conflict with their own setting and intended tone, and no not in a intentional self aware manner.

It would be a lot more easy to accept the Jovians as bad if they didn't already have robots have destroyed the planet.

Imagine if Jurassic Park played exactly how it did in the movies, but in the end when they escape jeff goldboom turns around and says how great cloning dinosaurs is and how his concerns in the beginning of the movie were totally unfounded.

It feels exactly like that

>>52628147
I mean, Jurassic Park has always been kinda bullshit. Somehow they have the oversight to make the park almost completely safe, manage to clone dinosaurs, and then give one underpaid fat guy the keys to the whole thing? No one saw that coming?

It's not even about dinosaurs, that could have happened in a regular theme park.

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>>52627391

>>52628171
Have you ever worked in a corporate setting? People are fucking retarded.

>>52628171
>>52628580
The point is the writers come across really into whole techoutopianism thing and pushing it into the setting, which personally would be fine if it didn't flying to the face of the games world and intended play style.

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Incidentally if you have a party and DM who are prone to magical realm I feel like certain sleeves and egos might be asking for trouble.

>>52628746
I agree and disagree. I agree that putting so much time into playing up customizing bodies and making special characters seems tarded in a game designed to be pretty lethal horror.

At the same time, I don't think having most people not be too terrified of resleeving and stuff is outrageous. No one in the inner system trusts robots and pods, for decent reason. They really don't trust AIs, for decent reason.

Overall though, the fluff seems to imply it's not even really the AIs at fault though. The ETI is behind the majority of the techno-horror that takes place, and there are at least three Seed AIs that have not immiedately started genociding the human race.

Though, all that stuff is in the GM section anyway and is just suggestions.

>>52628791
EP is one giant magical realm.

What are the most useful hijinks that one can pull off by having a ghostrider module?

>>52629379
Physically smuggling wanted egos through customs that check via brainprints. Doubling the skills available when you can't egocast, but can physically insert.

>>52628746
Isn't this like getting pissy about GW writers coming across as really into grimderp stuff and pushing it into the setting, which flies in the face of the games universe and intended play style?

>>52624444
>>52625189
>Rajputs

Wait what

>>52629828
They're an Ultimate subtyp who are particularly devoted to and good at attacking TITAN war machines.

If one had the goal to become the most mentally flexible and capable as possible, what would be the ideal biomorph?

>>52630525
Mentally? A hyperbright.

>>52630246
1. Why are they named after a bunch of Indians?
2. What makes them good at tackling TITANs?

What stops people from adding limbs to normal humanoid morphs, making a goro like creature?

>>52630698
Nothing.

>>52630774
Are there any downsides or cognitive requirements?

>>52630782
Beats me, I'm just here for the fluff.

>>52628147
Yeah. Resleeving totally caused the fall. ASIs which are banned almost everywhere were unrelated.

>>52630696
Because the ultimates were founded by an Indian for some reason. Long experience with the faction left them leading squads of high ranked ultimates during the fall, and only the most elite Ultimates surviving the combat. Those are Rajput. They're about 150 strong.

>>52630696
1) They were founded by a bunch of Indians
2) Practice and specialized equipment they still don't win so much as lose more slowly though

>>52630895
>founded by an Indian for some reason
Would the reason have been apparent had his ethnicity been different?

>>52631998
Normally, nasty fascists and jovians and hypercorporate filth that pollute the glorious anarchist/socialist/communist paradise of the solar system are filthy whites.

>>52632103
Ah. I see you haven't read the books. Most people in the setting are of Asian descent.

>>52632186
I see you're delusional.

>>52632206
Unless they're all white speakers of Mandarin and Cantonese?

>>52632225
>"The people who are responsible for the bad stuff are usually white!"
>"Everyone is chinese!"

Are you the same idiot who kept talking about how something moving 20% of lightspeed is an RKV? Or are you the one who was inventing citations because he didn't like the idea of the Extropians?

>>52632103
I wouldn't call spics white.

>>52632254
Neither, though I would point out that .2c falls within the standard definition of relativistic.

Gear packages gents.

What should i be taking as a starter? i have LOADS OF MONEY (40,000 credits)

>>52628147
Except everyone except maybe the Extropians has taken appropriate precautions against a future TITAN threat.

Nanomachines didn't cause the fall, which is why most places haven't banned them (jupiter being the exception), though they're regulated everywhere.

AI in general didn't cause the fall, but networked military ASIs did, which is why modern AI systems are generally made with curbed intelligence expansion, and most importantly, the massive superclusters needed to make a take-off Seed AI are heavily regulated.

Resleeving, cortical stacks, and healing vats absolutely didn't cause The Fall, they aren't even related.

The Jovians are an overreaction to the events of The Fall, sort of like banning advanced metalworking to try to stop nuclear proliferation.

Of course, there's also the J/Ovians some people in this general act like they exist, where they also have secret TITAN facilities or something, but that's basically a trainwreck.

>>52630782
Cyberlimbs cost extra, and biological extra limbs are more complicated to add, and also cost money to add. Both are totally possible to a max of 10 limbs. (excluding bushbot Flexbots)

>>52633794
>J/Ovians

I will remember this terminology forever.

>>52634243
I don't get it.

>>52634899

"JO" is an abbreviation for "jerk/jack off". Y'know, given how masturbatory a lot of joveposting is.

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>>52634934
Fair enough. Have a doll, on the house.

>>52630774
Well technically there is a lot of reasons not to it with any humanoid morphs. You'll need to rework whole skeletal structure or whatever the morph uses. Not matter if it is synth or a biomorph.

But EP waves away all similar problems.

>>52632103
Ehh, some yogis are pretty hardcore and considering Ultimates mentality they certainly have taken a lot from them.

>>52632254
0.3c is a somewhat realistic maximum speed for antimatter based engines. That was me.

>>52632282
Mexicans, chinese and russians if you want to be precise.

All old world Evils came together and created Jovian Republic.

Where them games at.

>>52629480
Are you saying you wouldn't prefer grindhouse 40k?

>>52637101

>she gets her morphs from a shop on the street
>sleeved in a clanker

Hoh hoh hoh hoh hoh~

>>52637226

I mean, basic pods are so generic and modular it really probably would be quicker to just buy a new arm off the street than vatfab one.

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>>52637226
>pods are cheap corporate bodies for cheap corporate sluts
>more startling news as soon as it breaks

>>52637280

>When your facial design specialist has a real "sameface" problem

>>52637263

>this is how the poors live

>>52637280

>get pidgeonholed into sexwork because you accidentally picked the wrong model of pod when you immigrated to the hab

Seems pretty dystopian.

>>52637263
>>52637280
>>52637357

Now I want to write a short story about Pod Problems.

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>>52637432
that's my very most favorite type of problem

>>52637432

Ayo', I got 99 problems but my pod model ain't one!

>>52594257

I don't think you understand the point of the setting. If the TITANS or ETI wanted us extinct , we'd be dead already. The technological gap between TITAN tech and Jovian tech is like that between arrows and jet fighters. There is no containing an insurgent infection designed to extinct humanity. It's just that the TITAN or ETI have other plans, for now.

>>52639065

Lolwut. The TITANS were trying to exterminate humanity, then fucked off elsewhere. Exsurgents are trying to infect humanity actively. Where are you getting this shit from?

>>52639197
>were trying to exterminate humanity
>then fucked off elsewhere
>Where are you getting this shit from?
the great minds defending Jove, everyone.

I remember in one thread someone suggested the reason exurgency is so freaky is that its the way post-singularity "galactic civilization" instantiates their morphs, and they're even more magical realmy than humanity's morphs, as well as being alien. In sunward there's mention of whole exurgent communities remaining on earth that aren't much different from transhumans in normal behavior or form. I'll grant that it's infectious and virulent, and cunning on a human scale, but its pretty nebulous in ultimate meaning.

>>52639197

Exsurgents are a product of the TITANS, or viceversa, we don't know. The point is, against Gods, bio or tech conservatism are no defence. All other factions are equally fucked by the way. Including singularity seekers. TITAN sleeper agents would presumably stop them in their tracks before they reached seed status.

>>52639360
remember how the most strategic, super-keikaku master, king of the TITANs is implied to be the one that thought portaling to the edge of the galaxy and poking some jupiter brains would be anything other than self destructive. The TITANs are fucked up and dangerous, and its doubtless they forgot where they left us, but it isn't that big a stretch that they became totally unable to give the slightest fuck.

>>52637121
I'm going to tell you the same thing I tell every nigger who asks that here

Run it yourself

>but I've never even played!

Neither has anyone else. It's up to you.

>>52640854
No i'm not going to reply with that.
I'm going to reply with: But i have crippling social anxiety and a debilitating fear of rejection and failure, so running a game is a nightmare.

>>52640981
>i have crippling social anxiety and a debilitating fear of rejection and failure

So does everyone else. It's up to you.

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>>52642725

>>52594680
>forking
Nope. Long-term forking is verboten, as you would be using resources for a copy of yourself rather than instantiating a poor infugee or asylum-seeker, which would be seen as narcissistic, and in violation of Janteloven.

>>52594452
This would make my mormor angry.

>>52595225
It's literally nothing like The Walking Dead. Keep your edgy mainstream shitertainment on your containment board.

>>52597402
Cunts look like stab wounds more than stab wounds look like cunts.

>>52603173
>resources
>lebensraum
You're missing the point. Jupiter is the most strategically important location in the Sol system.

>>52607768
The outer skin of our ships and stations tend to be aluminum anyway.

>>52613215
They have to be of compatible lines. The choices of one gene designer can be very different from another, so gene placement, expression, and the like can be completely different. The promoter that is used for +5 Con brain structures could be the same as an apoptosis gene used for growing gills in the correct shape. One gene designer could like adding to chromosome 21. Another could prefer adding an artificial chromosome. That being said, the less complicated the morph, the more likely it is that it is cross-compatible. Most splicers can probably cross with most other splicers, as long as it's not a new morph from a protective company. A splicer might be able to cross with a flat. A splicer might even be able to cross with an open-source hibernoid. A splicer will not be able to cross with an Exalt or anything even remotely like one. An Exalt might be able to cross with other Exalt lines of the same company, but not with Mentons of the same company, or Exalts of another company. A Menton might be able to cross with other Menton lines of the same company, but not of other companies.

>>52628871
It's fun to play the "guess their magical realm" game. The guy with the technology fetish would be hard to figure out, though.

>>52644149

Strictly speaking, barring some aggressive GRM, a splicer should be cross compatible with most anything as their defining characteristics are A( they've been genefixed (I/E scrubbed for genetic errors and disorders) and B( have basic biomods pre-installed. Their floating morph bonus can come from just a natural genetic tendency in particular areas, or mundane level designer baby stuff. Flats similarly should be cross compatible because they're the genetic baseline - but without a genefix package that's asking for trouble.

Cross compatibility with higher level morphs will depend highly on the nature of how various traits are expressed with dominance, or compatible placement but strictly speaking you should be fine most times as you would receive two sets of chromosomes and generally in situ the human body tries to pick the good genes which work - and at the very least most people who are in an economic situation to afford having children should be able to afford the pre-natal care to make sure their kids gene's mesh - assuming they have rights to reproduce the DNA in the first place.

Since Aggressive GRM isn't a default trait, and otherwise these possible "vast differences" in DNA structuring have no impact on any morph installing complex things like bioware, we should probably assume most morphs on the market have some level of "compatibility" to broader biotech built-in unless they are from a very restrictive corporate entity or specialized designer. The legal rights to blend that DNA is probably another issue. Vast differences in "tech" level of a morph is probably asking for new genetic diseases and defects though.

>>52639360
Not even the mightiest, most intelligent foes can defeat Plot Armor.

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>>52642725

>>52644674
Wrong.