0: draw a card how would you like your power creep?

>>52587878
That's not what that says at all.

702.1a If an effect refers to a “[keyword ability] cost,” it refers only to the variable costs for that keyword.
Example: Varolz, the Scar-Striped has the following ability: “Each creature card in your graveyard has scavenge. The scavenge cost is equal to its mana cost.” A creature card’s scavenge cost is an amount of mana equal to its mana cost, and the activation cost of the scavenge ability is that amount of mana plus “Exile this card from your graveyard.”

>>52588400
i bet you're the same sort of person that thinks that as foretold works with no-cost suspend cards.

>>52588422
I am.

>>52588422
I thought it was confirmed that it did?

>>52588422
I know right?
First As Foretold, now this. These two days have been a hammering to the neckbeards faction.

>>52588422
Why would As Foretold not work with those? They are cards with a converted mana cost of zero. If As Foretold has no time counters on it then it can cast cards with converted mana cost zero or less.

Was this ever a debate?

>>52588422
>117.6a If an unpayable cost is increased by an effect or an additional cost is imposed, the cost is still unpayable. If an alternative cost is applied to an unpayable cost, including an effect that allows a player to cast a spell without paying its mana cost, the alternative cost may be paid.
You're welcome

>>52587878
Good luck trying to play this turn 6 in any format.

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>>52587878
>power creep

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So is this mythic because it has embalm? I don't get why it is.

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>>52588750

>>52587878
Does the discard count as part of the cost?

>>52588750
Take Banisher Priest or Fiend Hunter, which are already uncommon.
Give them an evergreen keyword. This is a minor complexity bump that wouldn't change rarity.
Allow them to target nonland permanents instead of creatures. This is a larger complexity bump that is worth bumping it up to rare.
Give them a relatively complex set mechanic or set keyword, such as Embalm. This leads to a moderate complexity bump.

It teeters between Rare and Mythic Rare, in terms of complexity. It does a lot of stuff and has a lot of moving parts and options.

>>52588750
Holy shit is that a male angel? Gabriel has a friend now.

>>52587878
>Equal to Kamigawa bulks rares in terms of power level
>Creep

Maro fuck right off, over a decade later and you STILL don't learn from mistakes.

>>52588750
I assume because you have to double removal it.
Also, being able to get a removal+evasive beatstick from the yard without something like Unburial Rites is pretty strong.

>>52588866
It deserves to be mythic because it's a great card that can easily 3-for-1 your opponent.

>>52588897
All the angels in Amonkhet are male

>>52588906
>Printing Nagas was a mistake
>Lets print Nagas again this time WITH snakes

Though to be fair with MaRo he was againt this.

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"Approach of the Second Sun"
6W
Sorcery
If Approach of the Second Sun was cast from your hand and you cast another spell named Approach of the Second Sun this game, you win the game. If not, you gain 7 life and put Approach of the Second Sun back into your library as the 7th card from the top.

>>52588821
The discard is part of the activation cost, but it is not part of the cycling cost.

>>52588972
I'm honestly surprised they didn't make that mythic instead/also.

>>52588927
>inb4 gabriel reprint

ebin

>>52588866
I see. I just wish they had made it one point more beefy in the attack and defense of the card. But I so like it. And like >>52588897
>>52588927
said, it's interesting that all of the angels on Amonkhet are male.

>>52588821
It's part of the cost, but there's a rule stating that this only changes the variable cost, aka the mana cost

>>52588972
>you cast another spell named Approach of the Second Sun this game

Memory issues.

You need a judge observing the game at all times in order to confirm that you did, in fact, play Approach of the Second Sun at one point.

>>52588750
>>52588770
Why, so that you need to buy more (((Booster Packs))) of course anon, come support your favourite game and Standard format!

>>52588994
>aka the mana cost
Not quite. Don't forget Street Wraith.

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>>52588676
Yeah, no way something like this would be banned in legacy and restricted in vintage

Cycling is an ability that lets you discard this card, to draw another.
Cycling cost it the cost you pay to use that ability, not the cost of the ability itself.

>>52589037
Ah you're right, fuckign futureshifted cards fucking me once again.

>>52589061
/this

>>52589061
Cycling is literally shorthand for an activated ability that reads "[variable cost], discard this card: draw a card", so the discard is part of the cost.
The enchantment still doesn't make the draw free because of >>52588400

>>52588927
Disgusting.

>>52588422
It does. Learn the rules.

>>52589110
But you know what this implies for the future right?

Female demons

>>52589105
Variable cost = cycling cost

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>>52589139
They're never gonna do that shit, don't get your hopes up.

>>52589055
>drawing a card for 1 life is the same as being able to discard a card and then draw a card if it has a keyword

Who let you play magic?

>>52588750
>>52588770

its a self recurring flying threat with an oblivion ring attached to it. what is it that you dont get?

>>52587878
>>52588400
>>52588994
>>52588821
>>52589061
>>52589105
>>52588422
>>52588445
>>52588510
>>52588515
>>52588628
>>52588650
Is it just me or are there a lot more confusing rules cards in this set than there have been, between As Foretold, Soul Scar Mage's interaction with Gideon and now this.

I get "lol learn the rules and RTGDMFC" but this is some comprehensive rules stuff going on here I've had to refer to quite extensively over the past few days.

>>52589189
Maro isn't lead.
Same as in Oath of the gatewatch set.

>>52589172
There's the argument that, since New Perspectives makes the cost 0, it means that you don't need to discard the card, since discarding is part of the cost. You could cycle one card over and over and over and over for free.

At least, that's the argument. I'm waiting for the Ask A Judge threads before making any concrete decisions.

>>52589055
Except new perspectives only wins you the game if just sbout everything in your deck has cycling. Hell even then it might not because you still have to discard them.

>>52589011

Super glad I don't play with such fucking cunts that this would be an issue

>>52589189
You should play time spiral block limited

>>52589218
>if just about everything in your deck has cycling
well, we do have 20 lands that cycle...

>>52589212

Misinterpreting the rules =\= "an argument"

>>52589212
FOR FUCK SAKE
"Cycling cost" is the mana or thing you pay to be "ALLOWED" to cycle in the first place.
Discarding and drawing are conjoined.

Cycling cards could just as well say.
Draw a card: Discard this card.

Now you wouldn't say this card would make you discard but not draw, right?

>>52589212
You could argue that, but you'd be wrong. You still have to discard, but now you do it for free.

>>52589218
Given how it actually works, yes. If it was just have 7 cards, 0: draw a card like in OP it would be on the same level

https://twitter.com/TabakRules/status/850382830030864385
>Everything before the colon is a cost, "Costs may include... discarding cards" So you can draw your deck?
>No, we have a new rule clarifying the term "cycling costs" so we can have better words on this card. :)

>>52589247
Cycling LITERALLY means "Pay X, Discard this card: Draw a card"

It's right there in the reminder text

>>52589189
No i don't see any confusing rules. Then again i have played since Invasion.

>>52589276
CYCLING =/= CYCLING COST

>>52589212
>702.28a Cycling is an activated ability that functions only while the card with cycling is in a player’s hand. “Cycling [cost]” means “[Cost], Discard this card: Draw a card.”

You are fucking retarded. I hate spoiler season, it brings out the casuals that can't play

>>52589212
Dude read >>52588400, it's not up for debate.
>>52589247
>Cycling cards could just as well say.
>Draw a card: Discard this card.
This is wrong on so many levels, don't make the other guy more confused than he actually is.

>>52589240
>>52589249
But I don't know if I'm right or not, so I'll keep an open mind and ask an expert
>>52589247
It could say that, but it instead says "Discard this card: Draw a card."

Also, unrelated, but does New Perspectives work with other kinds of cycling, like basic land cycling or wizard cycling, or is that treated as a new ability?

>>52589247
>>52589288
>>52589212
discard is the cycling cost, or else they wouldn't have the ruling.
>702.1a If an effect refers to a “[keyword ability] cost,”it refers only to the variable costs for that keyword.

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>6 mana do stuff for free

>>52589220
If it created a counter or an emblem, it would be simple. But this relies on something as fallible as memory and the casting of the card doesn't create any evidence or leave a mark of the game-state that it has been cast.

Mark my words, any shitlord worth his neckbeard will be claiming that anyone casting Approach of the Second Sun for a second time is only casting it for the first time. There will be all manner of grognards ruining games over the use of this card.

>>52589300
My point is.
Imagine cycling said:
Cycling (cost) (Draw a card: Discard this card.)

Which it very well could, there would be no change to how cycling works.

People wouldn't ask if New Perspectives made you unable to draw cards.

>>52589301
RESEARCH, YOU KNUCKLEDRAGGING WUNDERKIND

GOOGLE THINGS
THINK
USE YOUR GODDAMN MIND AND ACTUALLY TYPE IN "cycling mtg"

>muh open mind
No, your fucking decayed mind.
>these people are allowed to vote
Jesus Christ, no wonder society went to shit.

>>52589335
What?
So i can draw, and cast the card while the ability is on the stack?

>>52589311
Cycling means to discard then draw.
There's no cycling without discarding the card.

Cycling cost LITERALLY means the cost you pay BEFORE you discard.
You pay the cost to cycle.
Then you cycle by discarding this card, and draw a card.

Cycling: (cycling cost) (Discard this card: Draw a card.)

>>52589335
>there would be no change to how cycling works
Yes there would be. You'd draw the new card before discarding the cycled one, since paying cost is instantaneous and can't be responded to while the discard effect would go on the stack.
Until the effect resolved you'd keep the cycled card in hand, and could activate cycling again as long as you can pay the mana costs, all the while retaining priority.

>>52589335
That would be a huge difference actually. You'd be able to cast and cycle on the stack and keep cycling as long as you had the mana. You seriously need to work on your understanding of the game and its mechanics.

Spoiler season really brings out the casuals.

>>52589371
If it was worded like that, you draw a card then discard the other card.
Costs and effects are simultaneous, there's no stack or room inbetween.

>>52589335
The way you wrote it if your cycle was stifled you'd draw a card but don't discard.

>>52589347
I have researced. I have listened. With all the info I have now, I'd agree with you and say that you still have to discard the card.
But, I trust the word of an expert more than I trust my understanding of minutia. So I'm not gonna take a solid stance when I don't need to.

>>52589335
Yes they'd complain about that. They'd probably say shit like "6-mana-do-nothing good job Wizards!" or "Wizards confirmed for can't design cards."

>>52589387
I'm pretty sure you two are aggreeing

>>52589437
>gonna wait until I have an authority's advice
You have to be over 18 to post here dude.

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>>52589139

>>52589425
>>52589417
>>52589394
Nope.

If the effect were independent it would.
But remember the fucking cyclign cost.

You wouldn't be able to use cycling if it weren't in your hand.
And upon paying the cycling cost, you would draw a card then discard the other card.

git gud faggots

>>52589387
>Cycling: (cycling cost) (Discard this card: Draw a card.)

Sorry anon, the rules doesn't agree with you.
>702.28a Cycling is an activated ability that functions only while the card with cycling is in a player’s hand. “Cycling [cost]” means “[Cost], Discard this card: Draw a card.”
Cycling simply means : “[Cost], Discard this card: Draw a card.”
There's no cost paid first or discard first. Both are the cost and are paid simultaneously.
New Perspectives still needs you to discard when you cycle because
>702.1a If an effect refers to a “[keyword ability] cost,”it refers only to the variable costs for that keyword.
This ruling specifically said that the ability only absolve you from paying the mana cost.

>>52589442
Oh yes we are agreeing, but we're not agreeing on what the cycling cost are.

>>52589454
expert ≠ authority. My doctor's an expert, but I don't have to listen to what he says.

>>52589447
This looks strong.

>>52589447
Elvish Piper, how I've missed you

>>52589447
Oh wow they're pushing Green.

>>52589478
We aren't disagreeing.
My point was that discarding and cycling is an ability that triggers after paying cycling cost.
They happen, as you said simultaneously, but can't happen without the other.
That's why I say it wouldn't matter in what order they were, cause the cycling cost forces both to happen, and you would only be able to pay cycling cost if both COULD happen.

>>52589505
And that's a really sad thing to say because Elvish Pauper has existed for ages by now and both die just as easily to Bolt.

>>52589472
Oh of course, because cycling has split second now and can't respond to it
Oh wait it doesn't

>>52589447
Hill Giant + Elvish Piper = ?

I like it, but if they are going to go through of all trouble of shoehorning nagas back in the game, they might as well make Champion of RHONAS one.

>>52589180
Should be rare. Not mythic.

>>52589536
It's a creature that fails the vanilla test with no keywords and fits green's portion of the color pie perfectly.

At 3G, I don't see what sort of problem you could have with it?

Why are people in this thread thinking you don't still need to discard the cycling card before drawing? Wouldn't common sense dictate that the alternative would mean "if you have a cycling card in hand, draw as many cards as you want for free"? That would be preposterous.

>>52589447
oooohhh shit

>>52589208
Uh, yeah he is. Regardless if who they "put in charge if a set", he's still the lead behind most things, and had a hand in almost everything. He's ruined tons of sets, and he's one of the major reasons magic I'd getting constantly watered down and going to shit. It's like he's afraid to make power cards. Just look at the fucking gods from this set. Garbage.

>>52588750
Nah, that totally makes sense. Just compare it to Deathpact Angel: an evasive beatstick with janky built-in recursion is firmly mythic material.

I'm more miffed that there are Angels on this plane at all. Give me my fucking sphinxes, Wizards.

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>>52589583
There are people who think the preposterous alternative is the truth and the card needs to be errata'd.

>>52589472
>>52589583
Please stop responding to custom card posters. It does nothing but shitting up the thread even more.

>>52589536

It's getting pretty absurd.

I'm expecting the Green God to be absurdly easy to use compared to Red and Blue.

> 5/5 Indestructible Trampler
> Cannot Attack or Block unless you control a creature with 7 Power or higher
> 2G: All creatures you control get +1/+0 until end of turn

>>52589330

If I were playing someone who tried to pull that, I'd just put them on my list and NEVER play them again.

>>52589325
Pay 0 mana to play zombie spells. I don't think anyone is stupid enough to misinterpret this.

>>52589447

This is a fucking mess from a flavor perspective. Why would a champion of the trial of strength be BRINGING in another creature? From the text, it sounds like it should be like Hunted Wumpus: you get an undercosted fatty, but the OPPONENT gets to put a creature into play for it to "fight" and prove its strength.

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>>52589579
You mean besides the fact that it's a 5-mana repeatable effect on a 3/3 body?

>>52589301
>Also, unrelated, but does New Perspectives work with other kinds of cycling, like basic land cycling or wizard cycling, or is that treated as a new ability?
Yes it does.
>702.28e Typecycling abilities are cycling abilities, and typecycling costs are cycling costs. Any cards that trigger when a player cycles a card will trigger when a card is discarded to pay a typecycling cost. Any effect that stops players from cycling cards will stop players from activating cards’ typecycling abilities. Any effect that increases or reduces a cycling cost will increase or reduce a typecycling cost.

>>52589641
>costs 1G

>>52589447
Just bolt my shit up senpai

>>52589673
I think the idea is that he's the champion because he overcame the trial by befriending Rhonas's monsters. I do think the flavor is still pretty mild though. A card called "champion of rhonas" could do anything, but the ability is pretty flavorful and is stuck with a pretty generic name.

>>52589676

Elvish Piper is significantly better. You can use it every turn, and you don't have to attack with it. 1/1 vs. 3/3 is negligible, both won't be dodging removal, and the Champion will have to attack into complicated board states and combat tricks.

4/4 flyer that lets you scry once whenever you discard for 2UU.
>It's trash, too easily removed and far too expensive.
3/4 flying Banisher Priest that can target any nonland permanent controlled by an opponent for 3WW that can be embalmed for 5W.
>Way, way too expensive, so easily removed, it does almost nothing. How is this even a mythic rare?
3/3 that does nothing when it hits the board for 3G but does something busted if it survives until your next turn and you exert it so it doesn't untap on your next untap step.
>Jesus Christ, why is green so pushed? How does WotC keep on on doing it? Green always get the best cards, this is ridiculous.

>>52589011
I feel like a counter/emblem would be the way to go with this.
Plus a hour of devastation teaser token would be nice.

>>52589676
Do you know how old Elvish Piper is? Because it's like 90% better than Champion of Rhonas.

>>52588927
>literally only one actual angel in Egyptian mythology
>it's female

>Magma Spray
>Shock
>Incendiary Flow
>Harnessed Lightning
>Galvanic Bombardment
>Fiery Temper
>Cut
Arr Dee Wee

>>52589330
If you're keeping track on lifepads it should be pretty easy to either make a little note and/or notice a +7 swing in life total for one dude.

Hell you can even jot it down but I do see where you're coming from with autistics screeching about it only being cast once.

>>52589611
He's co-lead apparently.
Either way, all sets where he isn't main lead, the design is "always" much crazier.
Or put it like this, whenever he is main lead, the design is stale.

>>52589706

>he became the champion by befriending Rhona's monsters
>trial of strength

This is some My Little Pony level of bullshit

>>52589706
But in the art, the guy just cut a scale off.
Forcibly cutting scales off of animals doesn't make them friendly to you, unless the basilisk in the art is waving goodbye.

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>>52588972
>What a beautiful sunrise.
>Wow, another one.

>>52589447
Man that lizard is all AWW YEEEAAHHHH on the back.

>>52589781
I'm confused. I thought in the art they were like working side by side. I read the flavor text but I just thought that was just a turn of phrase or whatver. It didn't look like he had any scales cut off in the art. Maybe the flavor is that he does something to piss off an animal and draw it out and that's flavorfully represented as it appearing from your hand? It really needed a more descriptive name than "Champion of Rhonas".

>>52589614
There are some. I'm guessing we will get more in the second part of the set.

>>52589826
Shouldn't you be in school?

>>52589764
Obviously friendship is the strongest strength.

>>52589011
>>52589220
>>52589330
>>52589653
>>52589751
So what are the competitive REL on this? Can I make a note saying "Number of Approach of the Second Sun spells cast this game", and if there is a dispute, refer to the note I took on the notepad?

Storm players pls advise.

>>52589614
There is always going to be an obligatory angel in every single world. Every single one. Every single one every time forever there's always going to be a mythic Angel and a mythic Demon, every time, every set, a hundred sets a mythic Angel and mythic Demon, mythic Angel and mythic Demon forever, a hundred sets, a hundred sets forever.

>>52589166
>ywn have a qt demoness printed in a setwi
>with great art
>in a set without the Jacetice League
>is playable outside of EDH
>rare instead of mythic
>and is slotable in a Tier 1 or 2 Modern deck

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>>52589722
>>52589729
Yes I know how good Elvish Piper is, and champion is more powerful.

Piper needs you to tap once and pay one mana. Champion needs you to tap and stay tapped for one extra turn. one creature tapped is valued at 1 mana (see every dork ever), so it ends up being equally difficult for both cards to activate their effects.

Now lets look at the ways Champion is better. It's stats are better (therefore dodging more removal), and all it needs to do is attack once and its already payed itself off.
Also, this is minor and I may have misunderstood it, but Elvish Piper gets hit by shit like Pithing Needle, while Champion doesn't because Exert isn't an activated ability.

Remember, you only need to activate this effect once before you've basically won; a free Emrakul will win you the game just as hard as a free Emrakul and a free Griselbrand.

>>52589840
There's a bit of red on both the object in his right hand and on the basilisk, which I assume is blood, plus there's a spike missing on the bloody side.
The flavor text says that the trial requires a basilisk scale to complete, so we can reasonably assume he just cut it off, especially since he's got a sword in hand.

>>52589891
www.mythicangelandmythicdemon.com
One hundred..one hundred angel demon mythic morty. Forever and ever. One forever demon. A hundred days. Mythic angels and demons.

>>52589614
I think we need to stop thinking of angels as religiously associated and just think of them as giant flying representations of white magic in the same way dragons are for red and demons are for black. It's pretty clear wizards wants to divorce them from strictly religious themes.

>>52589907
If you go on the 'only need to activate once' pov, the Champion is better.
If you go on the 'can be activated multiple times' pov, the Piper is better.

>>52589929
Oh boy, here we go.

>>52589942
I want to live in your world where Elvish Piper gets used 2 turns in a row without being killed. That feels like a fun place to live.

>>52588927
I would prefer female angels with male genitals.

>>52588750
>>52588770
Male angels? In MY magic the gathering?

I know this isnt the first time but what's the deal with this?

>>52589979
If you are set to abuse the Piper, you probably have multiple ways to untap it. Piper is for playing dirty.

>>52589998
That's what female demons will be.

>>52589907

>a free Emrakul

Stop right there

It is not modern playable. It will never be modern playable. It is boltable, and bolt is the single most prevalent source of removal in the format right now. You need to think of this in terms of limited, and in Limited, Piper is far superior as it can hang back, drop out surprise blockers (which Champion can't do) or game-winning fatties at the end of your opponent's turn (which Champion can't do) or activate its ability in response to removal (which Champion can't do).

>>52589942
I disagree with this assessment. The stat difference makes no difference at all in terms of actually played removal in formats piper is legal in, and the champion needs you to use up your combat step which was ignored. There is no relevant difference in terms of multiple versus single activations, they activate on the same turn, and the stat difference doesn't matter.

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>>52589942
>>52589979
I haven't seen an elvish piper do anything successfully since the Onslaught block.

>>52590016

Bolt, Path, and Fatal Push off a fetch all stop this thing in its tracks.

Something with no haste and an activated ability it has to attack to use is not going anywhere in modern with 3 toughness.

>>52590022
And contrary to the image you posted, it has nothing to do with fucking gut shot.

>>52589979
There are basically no cards in Standard outside of Shock that hit Piper and not Champion.

Declaration in Stone
Harnessed Lightning
Fatal Push
Unlicensed Disintegration
Incendiary Flow
That new Aftermath burn spell

>>52587878
>cycling lands
>that thing
>sojourners
>this thing among others

>>52589929
Who said anything about religion, anon? I'm just pointing out that the presence of an angel on Amonkhet at all is needless. Sphinxes could have easily filled the same niche in the setting and nobody would've batted an eye because they fit the setting.

Just explaining angels as a universal manifestation of White is even dumber.

>>52590016

>Comparing two cards in a format where you'll never have to choose between them.

???

>>52590016
>>52590022
If we're not talking about Eternal, than why are we even having this conversation? Obviously new cards aren't gonna be better than the creme-of-the-crop of old cards.
In the context of Standard, Champion is pushed, regardless of whether it's actually worse or better than Piper.

>>52590043
If i could post the other 246 answers to piper, I would.

>>52590006
I'm sure we'll get some explanation at some point. I'm sure after all this time of saying that MTG angels will only be female, they don't expect the time we finally get male ones to go unnoticed. Maybe it has something to do with the aesthetic of the world. Who knows

>>52590077

Because the arguement was "Oh man Green is getting super pushed!"

When this is a card that isn't as good as previous green cards that have been printed for Limited.

>>52590088
>angels are beings of mana elemental
>they have no gender
>how an angel looked is based on what the creator wants it to be
>nicol bolas is a homo
called it

>>52590077
Because the other two synchronous discussions are pertaining to purposely reading a blue enchantment out of context and the genitalia of angels and demons.

>>52590050
This is still coming up in Champion's favor; both have to live for 1 turn against removal, both need to tap, both will likely only get to use their ability once, Piper needs to pay G.

>>52590116

I wonder if there's any reason for it or if it's just the design team deciding not to have angels and demons be monogendered anymore.

As someone said up above, that means succubi might be a thing in some future sets.

>>52590107
Something is still pushed, even if its not as good at cards that one existed.
No draw spells are pushed if its not Ancestral. No nonbasics are pushed unless their Alpha Dual-lands. No creatures are pushed if they're not Baneslayer Angel or Tarmogoyf.

>>52590154
Probably. You just know monogender thing will trigger some sjws. You know, the one set of people that wizards really like to appease despite never playing the game nor do they contribute anything to the revenue of mtg.

>>52590062
Sphinxes and angels aren't competing for the same "niche". They have angels both because they are a well-liked creature type and because they have a creature curve every set where they designate a certain race to be a certain size of creature generally speaking. It's how they determine creature types that aren't inherently designated by flavor. In other words, both blue and white for set-building purposes need to have high end, big flyers. In blue it 's usually sphinxes and in white it's usually angels. They aren't in competition. I think the only time anything like that has happened vas that they said Tarkir block didn't have angels because they were doing a dragon set and they didn't want competition with dragons. I'm sure there will be lots of sphinxes but I don't think Amonkhet will be a "sphinx set" like DTK was a "dragon set". And even dumber than what? You didn't put forth anything comparing that. How is it dumb at all? Not all planes have angels, but the ones that do have them not because they have a religion or something which would be how angels "fit" the world. They're just the stock giant white flying dudes.

>>52590124
>both will likely only get to use their ability once
What kind of brain damage do you have that "they both die to all forms of removal" gets interpreted as "they both survive one turn"?

>>52590182

...Actually, from what I've seen that seems to bother /tg/ a lot more than it bothers tumblr. Or were you not around for the threads complaining that demons are male?

Because there were a lot of them.

So this is trying to please /tg/ and such more than sjws.

>>52590165

Ancestral Recall would be good in the Eternal formats. Elvish Piper hasn't been good in the Eternal formats for years, and this is a worse version of Elvish Piper. Elvish Piper is still a bomb in Limited, though, but I don't see Champion being the same way because of how complicated board states get in Limited. You would have to make sure that, on turn five, you could send a 3/3 at your opponent without dying. Piper is a rattlesnake card because if you have one untapped when your opponent wants to attack you, they have to decide if you're sitting on a surprise blocker.

>>52590269
There's a saying I really like that's actually rather pertinent here. "What happens once will not happen twice, but what happens twice is sure to happen three times."

If you can get your piper/champion to survive 2 turns without getting killed on the spot, you're probably already in a situation where you're gonna get as many turns as you need to get all the big stuff in your hand into play.

>>52590284
You don't think Champion's gonna see Standard play?

>>52590272
>complaining that demons are male
Well duh, i want sexy titty demons but i still don't want dude angels in the game.

>>52590329
this tbqh famalamadingong

>>52590269

Because that's what the assumption was only a few posts up in the reply chain you didn't read.

>>52590272
>"you guys are just as bad as sjw" meme
Please don't start this.
And /tg/ isn't very influential, WOTC only looks at reddit and tumblr. /tg/ is considered too toxic and hatefilled to be listened to. Also, I want titty demons bullying titty angels

>>52590326

If there's a halfway decent burn spell in this entire set, no.

>>52590326
Not him, but do you think it will? I mean, I definitely think it's mean to be pushed, especially based on the tweet revealing it, but just because they push it doesn't mean it'll be played. Standard removal is a premium right now so I just can't see this thing living, though maybe in conjunction with the new dork maybe it can work? I just don't know.

>>52590312
>If you can get your piper/champion to survive 2 turns without getting killed on the spot, you're probably already in a situation where you're gonna get as many turns as you need to get all the big stuff in your hand into play.
Which means Piper is better because it has better action economy?

>>52590353

Hey, he was the one who brought up sjws out of nowhere. I was just wondering if the male angels thing was to highlight things being a little different on Amonkhet or if the dev team don't plan to have angels and demons be monogendered anymore.

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>>52588422

>>52590380
I genuinely believe it's mostly an Amonkhet thing more than a general statement that from now on they won't stick to only one gender, though I can't pinpoint and explain exactly why. It's something about the aesthetic. It's really clear to me in the mummified angel token. Maybe creative's been wanting to do male angels for a while and this was finally the world they thought they "looked" right in.

>>52590432
delete this

>>52590373
I think that there were so many pushed green cards in Khaladesh and Aether Revolt, and all of these Green spoilers have been pushed as well. If a powerful mono-green deck that could/would play Champion doesn't become a powerful deck in the format than something very wrong has happened.

>>52590378
You're not cheating in 3 drops with these things. You're using these things to cheat in every big creature in your hand, and I doubt you're gonna have so many in your hand that the limiting factor is action economy.

>>52590441

Well, for starters there have been zero mono-green decks in standard, so we're already off to a bad start.

And the card doing something neat if it attacks has in the past proven a detriment when the card generally can't drop until turn three or four and still has no way to protect itself from most forms of removal.

You don't even need great burn spells to keep this thing in check, just passable ones.

>>52590441
Well, in fairness, something very wrong HAS happened in standard which has already been said to not have shaped up like development wanted it to. I just don't find it that hard to believe that this card won't make waves. To be honest, I'm still surprised Marvel ever went anywhere as cheaty things tend to look a lot better than they actually are.

>>52590326

I think it would be very difficult for it to see Standard Play, but if you wanted to make a deck around it, you could try. Ultimately there are just more efficient things you could be doing at 4 mana right now in Standard, and you're gambling that it'll have something relevant to pop out on turn five, but it might slot into something with the gearhulks.

>>52590373
They probably want to see how pushed it needs to be played. Problem is red really have alot of burns right now.

>>52590488

The FFL often gets what's going to be big wrong. From what I recall, UW and UR Delver being such a huge part of the Scars/Innistrad standard was a complete surprise to them, and they thought that flashback burn enchantment was going to be huge when it was just OK.

>>52590441
Aetherworks Marvel is comboing off on turn 4 which is a turn earlier than the Champion, and it also doesn't require you to have a fatty in hand. I'd say the flipside is that this guy requires absolutely no set up whereas you needed to build around Marvel, but I'm assuming that it was already determined that building around marvel was worth it when it was going turn 4 emrakul. Is dropping a turn 5 fatty better than a turn 4 fatty with set up with Marvel?

>>52590531
They SAY they usually get generally close but their mess ups tend to stand out to us. Recently I recall them saying I think they expected a white tokens deck to be top tier with servo exhibitions and Angel of Inventions which hasn't panned out in the real world. A shame since I love Angel of Invention.

>>52590182
>>52590088
>>52590116
>angel is female but male presenting
what would teeg do

>>52590586
>cuntbois in magic
n-no thank you!

>>52590586

>REEEEEEEEE

I imagine, anyway.

>>52590545
Also I just remembered Marvel casts the creature (for some reason-- imagine the universe where marvel was like 90% of similar cards and just put it into play) which works with the premier fatties in standad being the Eldrazi. This still works with gearhulks which are probably next in line but eh.

>>52590481
>>52590488
>>52590512
I have hopes for this card, and for the Mono-green deck in general. Not high hopes, mind you, but I don't think that its impossible.
All the pieces are there; they just need a spark to come together and get it all going.

>>52590512
>>52590545
You're assuming that only one deck would want to cheat things into play. If Green makes it, the only set-up cards they might play are Greenbelt Rampager and Attune with Aether. That deck's not gonna want to go out of its way to set-up

>>52590607

they can learn!

>>52590607

Holy shit this is the first evidence I've seen of MaRo actually listening and learning, the backlash against the Gatewatch must have been even larger than /tg/.

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>>52590607
Great. Adding new planeswalkers is awesome, but the main reason they keep recurring the same ones is so that people don't build mono-colored superfriends decks due to the planewalker rule.

We have three gideons; imagine if one were an elspeth and the other an ajani.

This will have detrimental effects on standard, mark my words.

>>52590699

This kind of shit happens pretty regularly, the main thing is they're trying to make adjustments a year or two from now to things that are going on today and that keeps going forever because of how game design works in MTG.

>>52590527
thanks

>>52590713
>more thing to whine
Hey, they're giving /tg/ more things to do.

>>52589583

it's an artifact of being a little but knowledgeable about MTG rules, but not very. They know that anything on the left side of the : in an activated ability is part of the cost, and they know that the full text of the ability granted by the keyword 'cycling' puts 'discard this card' on the left side of the colon, so they read the replacement of the cycling cost as replacing that as well.

The don't grasp that 'cost' and 'cycling cost' are totally separate concepts despite the similar names.

>>52589665
have you read this thread???

>>52590820

6th edition 40k had the same problem for a little while regarding the difference between 'emplaced weapons' and 'weapon emplacements'. Very different things with unnessecarily similar names.

>>52590713

All-walker decks are jolly good fun though.

>>52590875
Shut up MaRo

>>52590726
they really need to figure out some way to speed up

I am very happy to see comments like this and have faith that we will start ot see new unique walker cards
but for inbred balance issues that can cause standard formats to degenerate and be degenerate for multiple months if not years with no real way to fix it is a huge problem with the design and release cycle

I would propose that instead of doing a banlist like they have currently wotc instead goes through their card database and starts making a list of powerful hate cards or powerful tech cards and just keeps them in mind, then if a format ever gets out of control, instead of banning the things that seem to be too powerful they can just choose to make specific tech and hate cards now legal in standard as an emergency measure until the design/release cycle catches up and they can get some more balanced alternatives into the format

>>52590713
>imagine if one were an elspeth and the other an ajani.

They'd be completely different cards, and probably promote different playstyles, were that the case.

>>52590820
To be fair, although I wasn't one of the no discard retards and my rules understanding is at the top of anyone else in my playgroup I've never heard the words variable cost until today.

>>52591169
This. Gideon cards play in a very specific way. Probably more specific than any other Walker's cards.

>>52591182
It's a corner case.

>>52588628
Lands have a CMC of 0 as well, but you can't cast those either.

>>52591231
Because lands aren't spells and don't interact with the stack unless they're dryad arbor?

holy shit /tg/ this set release has shown just how terrible some of you are at magic. read the comprehensive rules some time, god damn.

>>52591169
>>52591208
The point is regardless of what they did, they would be inherently good due to being pushed by Wizards and all three iterations can be on the battlefield at the same time, unlike the Gideons.

>>52589673
It's his cousin who's come to watch him fight.

Then he sprains his ankle and his cousin has to cover for him.

>>52591278
That still doesn't mean you'd want all three of them in the same deck. That aside, the Ajani probably wouldn't even be monowhite at this point.

>>52591323
Ajani is Selesnya or Naya now.

>>52591266
Actually Dryad arbor doesn't use the stack. You don't cast dryad arbor, you play it. Just like how you don't cast lands, you play them. Something needs a casting cost to be cast in the first place.

>>52591323
He's been Sylesnia sense Theros. If he was Nyah still he would have tried to avenge Elspeth and kill Heliod.

>>52591347
>typing out color combination names
Retard.

Would Cruel Reality be good if it had indestructible and hexproof?

>>52588972
>perfect for commander

>>52590699
His recent Drive to Work talk he went over all the issues of Battle for Zendikar to Eldritch moon, so I think you aren't really looking. He discusses issues and mistakes often on theses and went pretty in depth about what was bad in these sets and what they learned from those mistakes.

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>>52591389
It'd probably be better if it just cost 2BB instead.

>>52591389
no, it's way too slow

>>52591389
No because it's still a slower clock then a 2 mana 4/4 with flying and vigilance.

>>52591426
This would work, but then it would be too strong. Enchantment hate is really weak right now in standard.

>>52591389
It's pretty good in a curse deck since it hits their board harder than anything, but even that is mostly because your only other aura option that even interacts with their board just gives their creatures -1/-1

>>52591426
Really? No shit.

>>52591389
It would be much better for it's cost but it's still 7 and far too slow. If it was "you must sac a creature AND walker every turn or lose 5 life. You only lose 2 if you sac either a creature or a walker.

Still too slow but way more value for what you're paying.

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>>52591467
It's not that unreasonable for a mythic.

META PREDICTIONS:
Saheeli cat gets better because cycle cards and the Artifact hate 3 drop. 1 is main boarded and 1 more in side.
Mardu vehicles is still here but gets very minor stuff. They get the new shock as bonus removal, cut, and a BR rare board wipe that sucks but is better then nothing.
Grixis cycle control will happen and be tier 2. It works, and can kind of keep up with Saheeli but it's too slow for mardu.
People try jund mid range and it's garbage.

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King Cheetah btfo.

>>52588972
I honestly expected they'd do something like this considering how much they hype up Bolas' returb but I couldn't figure out how they'd do it without suspend

>>52591533
Temer tower gets Soul-Scar Mage and has answers to everything to make tier 1 status.

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>Trial of Solidarity
>Not +0/+5

>>52591668
Tower starts to lose due to all the easy artifact hate. They shift to a non-artifact centered build.

>>52591533
>Saheeli cat gets better because cycle cards and the Artifact hate 3 drop.

Doesn't the Artifact hate 3 drop fuck Saheeli cat six ways to Sunday?

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>>52590607
>Starting with Hour, we’ve pulled back significantly on how often Gatewatch planeswalkers appear.
I'm happy, and I know people will still find ways to wine about it.

>>52591697
All it does is turn off their instant kill. The deck can still win through immense entry trigger value, or simply by removing the 2/2 before going off after assembling the combo onto the board.
The fact they now have a valid main board 3 drop that hates on agro and control simply makes it stronger (they shoot towers or hearts)

>>52589891
there were no angels on Theros, because it would not have fitted the flavour. Checkmate

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>>52591742

>>52591695
Beyond Mangle-horn or the cycle natural I don't see artifact hate growing to the point Temer can't function, especially with Heroic Intervention in circulation.

>>52591672
>Trail of Solidarity
>No pink vagina hats
>No screaming autistically about how the art isn't genderqueer enough
>Card is white, not black
>No terrorist attack to put a filter over the card art over
>No corner to hold a dumbass sign with little meaning and achieves even less
>No wall to put a livestream cam that ends up being shifted elsewhere because of pretend violence and the once more because of actual violence which leads to a game of capture the flag that you turn out to be absolutely terrible at so you shift it overseas but the rest of the world doesn't put up with your shit so you put it on the internet where your worst nightmares were in the first place anyway

Gosh Wizards I thought you were trying to be progressive

I'll show myself back to /pol/ now, sorry

>>>/pol/

>>52591786
Green currently has 2 cards they can a play set of in their main board to hate on artifacts and not be really punished in the current meta.
Mangle-horn hits every deck that matters right now, and the cycling shatter has cycle so it can be ran easily.
With things like Release the gremlins as well, the amount of artifact available to GR will make it difficult for tower to protect their tower reasonably

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>>52591792
Don't forget your pepsi.

>>52591766
not an angel, lol

>>52591533
RDW becomes a thing again, not as strong as it could be, but it will be there.

>>52591835
Yes but Scar provides excellent control potential early game to buffer playing towers slower to protect them and it even transitions into late game very well. Plus You're not running both the cycling shatter AND the G natural because that's redundant while other old green artifact hate was MAINLY for scrapheap who is definitely not going to be a problem. Only Mangle-horn is really going to everywhere, and Tower isn't going to care too much about the tempo slowdown.

>>52591926
Oh you hopeless optimist, I wish I had your worldview.

>>52591946
I'm not saying it will be in the top 8 at anything important, but it's getting some nice toys.

>>52588676
You can easily play it on turn 2 with a lotus and a mox.

>When Bolas returns he'll tear down the Hekma for its protection will be needed no longer

UH

OH

>>52591792
It's okay I think HWNDU makes everyone smile.

>>52590477
For you

>>52591944
>2 mana sorcery flame slash is good removal
Cut is garbage man. Sure, it sort-of-draws you a card, but the card it draws you is terrible. If you want to deal 4+ damage in R we already have a better option called Harness lightening.
>You won't run all the artifact hate at once
Sure, but there is no reason not to run horn in your main right now, and if you need more the options are all very strong.
Also as a side note, scrap heap is now terrible because of the new not-shock.

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Have no-one thought that the angels are male due to Amonkhet being an artificial plane?

>>52589447
flavor text is duller than me.

>>52592062
Or it is because Nico Bolas is gay.

>>52588683
Ha. Actually laughed out loud.

Call me when they make something better than true mox or time walk. THEN I'll jump on the power creep wagon.

>>52592049
I never mentioned cut but I was specifically referring to radiant flames or yes, Harness lighting. You have green to deal with Kiran. I also don't think Temer gives a shit about Mangle since because you aren't playing tower until you can cover it with negate and new counter creature spell, or heroic. Mangle's a great pick up for everyone, no doubt even for temer but I don't see anything really killing it since it'll probably change a bit to mid-range as it's win con.

>>52592062
Aren't all angels artificial?

>>52592239
They occur from white mana, like demons occur from black IIRC.
Correct me if I'm wrong

>>52592062
Has no-one though that Wizards doesn't care about canon or story and probably didn't think anything of it when they commissioned the art?

Aftermath spell rant. Most are garbage, not worth the rare slot.
>Failure to comply
Hay it's remand at rare! But not really. Remand is a good spell because it draws you a good card, aka something from your deck. FtC on the other hand doesn't draw you a good card. It draws you a worse Silance, a card that sees little to no play due to it's awful power level.
FtC is a bad spell and not worth playing.
>Cut to Ribbons
Cut is a generally worse harness lightening and definitely worse grasp of darkness. Yes, it draws you a card in the form of aftermath, but Ribbons is bad.
Agro decks won't be able to make Ribbons X be large. At most Ribbons is 4, and a 6 mana finisher that only deals 4 is really disappointing.
Might see play in control lists. Probably not.
>Rags to Riches
4 mana to shock the board is bad. It kills very few things. Draws a terrible 7 mana spell doesn't change that.
Riches is a strictly worse mind control that costs 7 mana. It fails as a control card by not removing anything.
0/10 wouldn't take in draft.
>Insult to Injury
3 mana to double your damage isn't bad, especially if it draws you an over costed shock. It feels like an okay burn finisher, but it has no where to fit into.
Injury is pretty lack luster but it's better then nothing. If it was instant speed it might be good enough to play.
Bad but might see play if burn shows up.
>Mouth to feed
a 3 drop that dies to all non-shock removal in the set is bad. Drawing a worse Harmonize doesn't make up for this.
Feed is a strictly worse Harmonize and is too difficult to get real draw value out of.
Only good in draft.
>Dusk to dawn
Dusk is nice for mardu as a soft-core sweeper that misses their board.
Dawn is a nice way for mardu to get back their shocked 1 drops.
Good enough to see play in 1 deck if they need to get through fatys.
>>CONT

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I wish i were a biiiiiird.

>>52592062
Where do you think Serra's name from Serra Angel came from?

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>>52592062
It's not quite artificial enough.

>>52592314
She could make them as she wished, maybe Bolas just prefers his angels to be fuccbois

>>52592349
>Bolas actually is confirmed gay

How hard would /tg/ REEEEE?

>>52592327
My revisionist-history-mandated nigger!

>>52592289
>Prepared to fight
a fairly costed for common battle trick isn't standard playable even if it draws you an over costed prey upon.
Prey upon isn't good enough for standard, and making it cost 4 won't fix that.
Garbage, okay in draft I guess.
>Onward to victory
It's berserk but fairly costed for uncommon. Not bad sense it draws you an over costed assault strobe.
Over costed assault strobe sucks, but sense it's "free" it isn't that bad.
Okay in draft, no where else.
>Destined to lead
Fairly costed removal for draft, would take over a few things.
With lead, this becomes an amazing blow out tool to answer a stalled out board state. Over costed and kind of trash, but it's fine.
Probably the best aftermath spell for the draft environment. Obviously too slow for constructed.

>>TL;DR
Most of the cards are over costed and the not-card-advantage stapled to them doesn't make up for it when compared to other standard options. Don't get tricked into trading for these on pre-release night. Maybe hold onto Dusk to Dawns and Cut to Ribbons.

>>52592363
He mind-broke Sarkhan and Tezzeret with his dragon dick

>>52589762
He's going to be co-lead on each big set from now on, before passing it off to someone else to work on the next big set.
This started with BfZ/SoI though

>>52592379
>implying Sarkhan didn't already own a vast collection of dragon dildoes

>>52592363
Well, there's few other Elder dragons left to fuck, except on Tarkir, and those are pedo-tier compared to Bolas' age, so I doubt it matters if he's straight or gay.

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>>52592363
>Ugin was killed in a sex accident
>Bolas now demands ghost blowjobs

>>52592363
Probably a lot because for a dragon god thing only obsessed with power to be a fag would be stupid to make canon because sucking dicks detract time spent gaining more power.

>>52592411
How would pedophilia even work on Tarkir sense there are no baby dragons? They are just all born from the storms seemingly fully grown. It would be weird to see Silumgar grow any more then he already is.

>>52592410
That's why it worked better

>>52592427
He wants to succ the power right out of his boyfriend Ugin's dick.

>>52592442
"Compared to Bolas' Age" is the key phrase

>>52592427
Doesn't the red in his color pie suggest impulse and emotion though? If he was pure scheming power-hungry he should be strict UB.

>>52592465
Pedophillia isn't matter of age it's a matter of maturing physically and mentally.
If someone is technically 1000 years old but is still mentally and physically like a 4 year old, they aren't legal.

>>52592239
Depends on the plane.
The angels on innistrad were made by sorin, and presumably the angels on amonkhet were made by bolas. Other places I think they're naturally occuring.

>>52592289
>>52592377
>These two things on the same card are less efficient than these other cards that are one effect on one card

Truly stunning how well you've grasped split cards.

>>52592491
And Serra's angels, which are possibly the most famous angels in MTG, were made by Serra.

They aren't considered living beings no matter which plane they are from though, hence why he don't have an angel planeswalker yet.

>>52592363
Wouldn't give a shit so long as they kept his sexuality as relevant as it is now.

>>52592470
i'm pretty sure the impulse is "get more power" and the emotion is "anger" because he's not more powerful. Nothing about his character in impulse or emotion screams "I WANNA SUCK DICKS" to me.

Besides Bolas is a holdover from when magic colors weren't a 1 to 1 representation of the character. Tetsuo Umezawa, the guy who killed him, was UBR and he didn't really have typical B traits.

>>52592506
Two bad cards put together doesn't make 1 good card.
Wear and tear is strong because both halves are good. Same for Fire and Ice.

>>52592287
Yes, nobody thinks that because WotC is actually full of autists who are very, very particular about certain things in the lore. This is very much a situation where the answer won't be "they didn't give a shit lol", because they have an entire branch, Creative, who are only there for the sake of giving shits.

>>52592470
More to do with the crazy plans and schemes he comes up with

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>>52592559
You can't cast Wear now and then cast Tear later. Turn chronology and resource management is important in card balance and design.

>>52592559
Loses versatility and power due to giving card advantage straight up.

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>>52592574
So where were they when Naga polluted the creature type pool?

>>52592574
You say that and yet here you are asking why something that specifically goes against canon is happen so excuse me if I don't continue to think Wizards gives no fucks beyond doing whatever sells them the most packs for every new set.

>>52592630
they supported it, retard

>>52592613
If the card advantage it provides is mediocre at best is that really good enough to run? All I can really see is a few giving support to delierum by giving 2 card types before casting the other one.

>>52591278
Just like Ajani Unyielding, Arlinn Kord, Dovin Baan, Jace Unraveler of Secrets, Kiora Master of Depths, Nissa Vital Force, Sorin Grim Nemesis, and Tezzeret the Schemer are tearing up various formats because they're so pushed, right?

>>52592632
>you are asking

You're mistaken on that point.

>>52592632
>goes against canon

There used to be a male angel proving their existence. It was retconned. Now it's been retconned back. We old canon now

>>52592559
An underpowered effect that gives you a second underpowered effect with flashback is still a pretty decent card.

>>52592672
Tezz is pushed he just needed more cards to support him.

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>>52592680
It's probably just a Amonkhet exception

>Egyptian plane
>Male angels
>instead of big booty black woman angels

How does Wizards keep fucking up

>>52592680
All that says to me is Wizards is fickle and doesn't care about canon. It'll get retconned again when it's convenient.

>>52592675
My bad.

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>>52592647
Some people shouldn't be able to make decisions like that.

>>52592672
I think the real question is why did it take so long for Arlinn's price to drop to $5.

>>52592757
Furrys like werewolves.

>>52592574
>Let's kill two unkillable gods that are from another dimension with the power of friendship!

Biggest fucking mistake they've made so far, on my opinion. If they are that powerful together, then they can literally kill and destroy and save everything without any effort. WotC blows my mind with how cool they can set up stories and then how horribly they ruin them in the end. One of the titans was indestructible. Another one warped space and time. Planeswalkers are HUURRR SUPER POWERFUL CAUSE THEY ARE FRIENDS

>>52589189
no it's /tg doing business as usual. Considering how many people interpreted flip cards, colorless mana symbols, any alternative cost ability, morph, and whatever the fuck else from the every spoiler season exactly the opposite of how it works. I want to believe that most people here are just willfully being wrong as a form of shitposting but my heart tells me they're just retarded

>>52592772
I like how there's two guys holding Gideon back on that black enchantment story card

Like this is the motherfucker who held back Ulamog with his fists at Sea Gate

>>52592525
Huh. I always thought Serra was a Goddess.

>>52592733
If people want male angels then Wizards will fudge the lore to allow them. Angels can't be planeswalkers either according to the canon, but you can bet your bottom dollar we will be getting one some day since the demand is there. Angels are a very popular tribe after all.

>>52592786
Gideon is a nice enough guy to humor them.

You know, speaking of all the lore retcons, what sort of role does the player have in the game, now? Like, before it was YOU ARE THE PLANESWALKER and cards reflected that. Your library and hand were your thoughts and memories - cards that have memory in their name and shit usually fuck with the library/hand and so on.
Even after they changed that little factoid to make MTG a shitty superhero story with the jacetice league, the naming conventions and shit haven't changed. So, who is the player?

>>52592786
He didn't want to flex his muscles and have the resulting shockwave effect destroy their tiny mortal frames.

>>52592672
You do realize that the moment they do what they claim to do, there won't be overcosted, multi-colored "story" walkers chumming up mythic slots.

>>52592786
I like Gideon, but I hate how they just don't care.

>I can go toe to toe with this ancient indestructible cosmic god that devours entire planets.

I honestly cannot stand how powerful they are making the Jacestice League.

>>52592772
To be fair, it wasn't something they could do anywhere. They channeled using all the mana from zendikar, something that was only possible because of the hedron network. Which is why they got their shit kicked in on Innistrad untill emrakul decided it was done playing games with them.

It is kinda dumb though.

>>52592832

The player is irrelevent. The Jacetice League is the copyrightable commodity that will bring in big bucks, or provide sanctioned personas that the player can self-insert into.

>>52592832
Players are oldwalkers with powerful time magic that allows them to see and summon shit from after the mending. Neowalkers are just babbys.

>>52592871
>Players are oldwalkers with powerful time magic that allows them to see and summon shit from after the mending
What about standard players though?

>>52592892
They are oldwalkers with poor mana bonds wallets

>>52592789
Serra was a walker

>>52592871
But there are many cards from before the mending.

>>52591792
is this the tipping point? Are we finally going to shitpost about cards NOT being SJW?

>>52592901
They just don't know how to spend their mana. They'll spend more mana each year than other oldwalkers.

>>52592832
Player is an oathwatch bestie.

>>52592923
And players can use the cards from both pre and post-mending, hence the time-spanning summon magic.

>>52592749
>I personally believe so
let me translate that for you
"Now that 13 people have complained on my Twitter account about nagas not being snakes I can noncommittally say I agree with them"

>>52588750
"We want the flavor of Mythic Rare to be something that feels very special and unique. Generally speaking we expect that to mean cards like Planeswalkers, most legends, and epic-feeling creatures and spells. They will not just be a list of each set's most powerful tournament-level cards" — Mark Rosewater

>>52593179
Huh. The gods are mythic, and they're trash. So what he meant to say was,

>We think mythic means nothing anymore, especially since we can make steaming piles of shit that are rare rarity.

>>52592630
They made naga because it was an established name for a fantasy race of snake people. Their biggest mistake, besides that the orochibito existed, was thinking anyone gave a shit about naga as a fantasy race versus elves, gobbos, merfolk, etc. Like literally the reason they did it is they thought people would be excited about it.

>>52593249
They said they were trying to diversify magic by going with non-European fantasy races

>>52593333
Would've worked better to just slap Naga in the names and have everything be snek anyway. People give a lot more of a shit about snek tribal than they do about naga being a creature type.

>>52588750
This card is gonna ruin standard

Can Wizards stop pushing this shit? White already has Ally of Cancer.

>>52593360
Oh no doubt

>>52593389
?

The instant-speed oring seems better to me if you're looking at the effect. The angel is fine but gets cucked hard by Heart of Kiran. If Kiran was banned people would still likely play Avacyn instead. Even that new 4-drop Sphinx blows it out. Should have been a 4/4 or a 3/5 if Wizards wanted it heavily played.

>>52587878
Remember the "Resounding cycle from Alara block? This will be fun with those in casual.

>>52588897
Malach of the Dawn, bro

>>52592239
In Magic, yes. Gabriel Angelfire is possibly the one exception.

Of course since Wizards doesn't seem to give a shit about established lore who really knows.

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Amonkhet is an angelic sausage party.

>>52592911
>>52592789
Serra the planeswalker was (in lore) named after Serra the goddess

>>52588927
...and all the dinosaurs in Jurassic Park are female. Life finds a way...

>>52592470
>>52592582
>>52592545
"Sure, it was easy to think Nicol Bolas's ego was such that he'd build a mighty monument to himself just because he could. Yet Bolas wasn't one for wasteful, narcissistic grand gestures. No, his gestures always served hidden purposes several layers deep and were excessively narcissistic and grandiose."

>>52593717
His arms are way too long.

So we're getting an Archenemy Bolas in addition to whatever Standard Bolas comes in HoD, right? Anyone else holding out hope they'll give it Nicol Bolas, Archenemy can be your commander?

>>52594019
I kinda am. I've been making a Bolas deck that is actually a Kozilek deck in disguise, I want the brood too damnit, and Bolas is the reason they're free so he at least fits, and having another option beyond the original would be neat.

>>52592847
>>52592833
>>52592832
Anyone have the "just another day in the life of Gideon Jura" pasta?

>>52593717
What is the Hekma?

>>52592291

These look like such trash.

>>52591497

Creatures are roughly a hundred times easier to kill than enchantments.

>>52592470
Hes red because hes a dragon, red's iconic bomb creature, seldom in other colors.

>>52594614
Then you realize that he is an Elder Dragon, which only 3 of 5 were Red.

>>52594460
The force field keeping the bad zombies out of the city.

>>52589998
That's every angel printed up to this set.

>>52594017
I think that's their "thing" is that they have too-long limbs.

>>52592749
>given the amount of Snake tribal
Umm...a little bit?