Amonkhet spoilers

Hello, where are the curse defenders from several days ago? This is what you want right?

>>52584507
>implying Kamigawa didn't have cool legendary card interactions and one sided flip cards.

I liked Kamigawa.

>>52584507
Kamigawa was the fucking shit man. Sure it had some shitty mechanics but it also had a metric fuckton of interesting cards. I wish they do return to kamaigawa but WotC dont have enough balls to do it.

>>52584507
am I the only one who wants ablock set in the P2 setting?

Nightstalkers were cool.

>>52584602
>>52584614
Don't take any offense in this, it's just that the current situation is awfully similar to the Mirrodin/Kamigawa one
Artifact set that breaks standard
Standard bannings

Amonkhet will either fix standard or suffer the same fate as Kamigawa no matter how many cool cards it has and how many EDH players love it

>>52584642
standard dying would be good thing. a more casual community would be a good change of pace.

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>>52584630
Unfortunately, it'll never happen because guns.

>>52584507
>one of the strongest planeswalkers, basically a spacetime muscle wizard gets restrained by two random nobodies
What am i missing?

>>52584758
>how can a 4/4 indestructible guy be blocked by a 1/1

hmmmm

>>52584507
Is that a fucking Mythic?

>>52584731
Good riddance.

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>>52584758
>>52584794
one random nobody is enough

>>52584758
Gideon accidentally triggered a cutscene and now the mooks have the kind of plot power that lets them capture vidya protagonists that were effortlessly waltzing through their comrades not minutes ago.

>>52584630
>>52584731
> p2
> guns
Care to clue an Anon in ?
The only gun i can recall is the one on goblin sharpshooter.

>>52584828
Portal second age and it's just some triggered /pol/baby shitposting.

>>52584642
No offense taken anon. Im pretty aware that people didnt like kamigawa partly because it proceeded mirodin, didnt gel with the standard and was "under powered" when put next to mirrodin. Which is a shame really because they really made a concerted effort to make the cards in kamigawa different and interesting. And yeah ive also had the thought amonkhet could become kamigawa since i first saw it announced

>>52584837
Thanks

>>52584667
If standard dies mtg dies

>>52584888
Good

>>52584888
>what is Limited

>>52585010
oh I know this one!

40% of the playerbase but only 10% of the sales!

MTG is like those mobile games. They make their money off of only 5% of the players that will cough up big cash. Not a lot of people play standard, but they're the ones keeping the business going.

>>52584809

>invent another rare slot
>fill it with shitty cards

Pure kikery.

>>52585221
If every mythic was good they'd make less money
To maximize profits they have to make only a select few mythics amazing so that people and sellers open up product to meet the big demand for this one specific card

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>>52584507
Mwahahahahaha

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Ascension of the Second Sun

If ~ was cast from your hand and you cast another spell named ~ this game, you win the game. If not, you gain 7 life and put ~ back into your library as the 7th card from the top.

>>52585068
Wut? Arnt limited players constantly cracking packs?

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>>52584586

>>52585664
This is retarded but I can see forcing turbo-fog for it in limited

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WE

>>52585907
what is it with all the 2 mana 4/4s in the set?

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>>52585907
WUZ

>>52585907
This is such a lame rare

>>52585907
>4/4 lifelinker
>turn 3

>>52584642
If we're going to follow that pattern it'll be ok, because from the ashes of Kamigawa rose Ravnica: City of Guilds which was the fucking tits

>>52585664
Well, I guess control has its win-con now.

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>>52585907
>4/4 every other turn
>dies to all of the removals
yeah I suppose its decent at best for seal-
>rare

>>52585268
I really want to make a jank Curse casual deck.

>>52585664
Won't see any form of competitive play but at least it's unique
That's the first card I like out of the whole spoilers so far

>>52586101
You didn't like As Foretold?

>>52585996
It's not all that jank if you do it right

Also set looks good so far, don't know why people are so worried it'll end up being shit. Exert is a pretty okay mechanic in the big picture.

>>52586111
Too slow for standard and does retarded stuff in modern
It's a poorly designed card

>>52585985
>Always Watching isn't a thing

>>52586159
>Walking ballista isn't a thing

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>>52584758
The last 10 years, apparently.

>>52584758

He's swole but doesn't have super strength or anything. He's just an invincible dude who's pretty strong.

>>52586208
It will probably be banned.

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>male angel
>mythic embalm creature

>>52586327
>3/4
They literally just printed a 4/4 flying sphinx with built in scry. The fuck is this shit? I'm going to be as disappointed cracking this bastard as I was when I cracked platinum angel-lite.

>>52586296

Doubtful. Snek shoots itself in the foot with all the -1 counter generation in amonkhet, since it will also double those.

But then we run into the whole "does anyone play it if nobody plays snek/ballista" dance, where they will bounce in and out of the meta.

Ballista will still get played though. But ballista for 1 or 2 on turns 1-4 isn't that bad and won't stifle that many decks.

>>52585268
>>52586327
>dude angels
Is this Time Spiral 2?

>>52586343
You aren't thinking the way Wizards thinks unfortunately.

>>52586355

You know what, you're not wrong.

>>52586327
Zombie angel is a neat creature type. Otherwise I really wish it was a 3/5.

>>52586327
>on the plane that was created by the super evil bad guy of Magic the angels are male

What did they mean by this?

>>52586327
>malachim
I am perfectly okay with this

>>52586327
Unplayable trash even if you get it for """free""" with embalm
What's up with WotC printing terrible angels recently? Isn't it one the favorite creature type for casuals and collectionners?

>>52586385
They just want kinkshame and avoid pandering to mummification fetishes

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>>52586407
>collectionners

>>52586327
>An Angel
>With a dick
Completely revolutionary.

>>52584758
That doesn't look like Gideon to me. Just some guy in amonkhet armor.

>>52585664
Thank you contingency plan.

>>52585664
It doesn't even have to resolve, only be cast!
Fuck!

>>52586470
The second one has to resolve.

>>52586441
It's a story spotlight card so it's above 90% that the guy in back is Gideon

>>52585771
>Wut? Arnt limited players constantly cracking packs?

They're not cracking enough packs to open playsets of Mythics.

The real money comes from the singles stores opening entire crates.

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>>52585664

Hello

>>52586531
>14 mama to instantly win the game

>>52586101
Ah, come on. It's not THAT bad. There's like…
>New Gideon
>New Liliana which I personally like
>Meme catsnake
>Kefnet, the Shitty but Not as Shitty as Hazoret
>Curator of Mysteries
>Regal Caracal
>Drake Haven
>Soul-Scar Mage
>Manglehorn
>Aven Mindcensor
>Battlefield Scavenger who may not be too good but still is a red bear, exert lord
>Nest of Scarabs
>Lay Bare the Heart, bad card, awesome art
>Flameblade Adept
>Cocodrile of the Crossing, big hasty green is rare and cool amo
>Archfiend of Ifnir
>Glorybringer
>Sacred Cat
>Trial of Ambition
>Trial of Strength
>Cartouche of Solidarity
>Cartouche of Knowledge
>Cartouche of Zeal
>Hapatra
>Temmet
>Failure /to/ Comply
>Insult /to/ Injury
>Mouth /to/ Feed
>Dusk /to/ Dawn
>Throne of the God-Pharaoh
>All monuments except for Kefnet's and Bontu's

There's plenty to enjoy in this set even if it's not cookie-cutter stuff like what Aether Revolt brought to the table. Definitely isn't as bad as BfZ was.

In fact, so far Amonkhet is better than SoI too. I wouldn't say it's better than Kaladesh. Guess we'll have to wait and see.

>>52586327
>Poorly wrapped chicken wings
>Still has flying

>>52586327
>male angel
>when the ONLY other male angel in all of MtG was Gabriel Angelfire
>when, aside from said exception, angels were previously confirmed to be solely female
???

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>>52586693

>>52586672
Seems okay, but I'm not sure its fast enough for outside of limited? 1 card every 2 turns, 3 mana for free every other 2 turns seems decently solid as a grinder engine for limited.

>>52586693
What about Radient?

>>52586700
Alternate Universe.
All color shifted cards are from the alternate universe that collided with ours during Planar Chaos. (see: red Akroma, who was alive at a point in the timeline long after our universe's Akroma was already dead)

>>52586672
Janky, but pretty cool otherwise. I just want to know what combat tricks does it fuel.

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>>52586672
What?

>>52586709
Radiant was female.

>>52586672
EDH card

>>52586672
Pays itself in a turn, and generates pretty good advantage every turn after that. Although that means you will not play anything else on turn 3/4, and will only give you advantage around turn 5/6.

>>52586672
Cute card but way too slow, I'm happy to see simic get some love anyway
When was the last time simic was playable in standard? It feels like years

>>52585268
Thank god for curses, the only redeeming part of egypt plane. Now if only they would combine them with traps, we'd be set.

>>52586327
Make Angel
>Magic is DEADDDDD

>>52584586
Yes. Curses are cool and this is a fun card for them. I wish it kept the naming convention of 'curse of _____' but this is acceptable.

I remember Maro saying that curses were slotted for SOI but didn't make it in so I'm reasonably confident these are just leftovers from that.

>>52586672
The way this is worded bugs me.

>>52586327
This could have cost 1 less and been a 4/5 and it would actually be kind of playable, but of course not.

>>52586327
Can he be Bolas sex slave as well?

>>52586672
>free cards
>free mana
Why is UG so cancerous

>>52586883
That would have been busted.

>>52586883
that would have been way too good you dumb mook

card's fine as is

>>52586875
Yea, it's awkward, but it's essentially:
>does this have a counter on it?

>yes
> remove it and get 3 mana

>no
>draw a card and put a counter on it

>>52586912
It would've been better that this barely-normal-rare level card.
They even showed a 2UU 4/4 with an upside at normal rare already, and blue never gets efficient flyers.
This could've easily been 2WW 4/4 or better if it's a mythic, but no, Wizards is shit at determining power level.

>>52586917
Oh I understand how it works, I just think the wording is inelegant.

>>52586883
Are you serious?

I'd only dream of playing a card like that if it was a 1WW 5/6.

Are you really the sort of moron that would play a 2WW 4/5?

>>52586930
nah mate you're the one who's shit at it. you don't make a fucking 4/4 flying oblivion ring for 4 with flashback you idiot

>>52586930
>I want there to be even more chase mythics

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J A N K !

>>52586930
2WW for a 4/4 flying Nekrataal is not an appropriately costed card.

2WW for a 4/4 flying Nekrataal that draws you a 5W 4/4 flying Nekrataal when it dies is also not an appropriately costed card.

>>52586956
>I want there to be even more 50c mythics

>>52586930
Fun fact: Oblivion Ring effects usually cost 2/3 mana, so essentially you're getting a 3 mana 3/4 flying creature with Journey to Nowhere stapled on, that also comes back later

>>52586964
>exile until it leaves
>until it leaves
Not a nekrataal, and can't even be abused like Fiend Hunter because of how they updated the kind of ability.

>>52586961
Oh shit. I smell combo potential.

>>52586629
14 whole mamas

>>52586961
All these cool cards and no astral slide. Grow some balls Wizards.

>>52586961
>multiple cards that want you to have 7+ cards in hand
This set as a whole is giving me serious Kamigawa vibes, if Kamigawa didn't even have fluff to save it.

>>52586970
Considering that there is a strong token theme in the set and that it can hit planeswalkers, enchantments, and artifacts in addition to creatures it is comparable to nekrataal and arguably better.

You do not understand basic card evaluation and should refrain from providing your opinion in public forums lest you look like an idiot.

>>52586909
Because it's one letter away from UGH.

>>52586981
They have that 1/1 that pumps itself whenever you cycle. I would not be surprised if they had a card that made something unblockable when it cycles

>>52586629
16 if you want to do it on the spot.
8 if you want to do it over 2 turns.

>>52585966
Ravnica was pretty boring imo. Literally just
>fixing
>generic non-synergistic midrage cards
>generic non-synergistic aggro cards
>generic utility cards
Ravnica only really worked so well the first time because: There was 0 block constructed: Kamigawa/Coldsnap/Ninth edition/Time spiral had actually interesting synergies: and there were almost 0 good aggro/midrange cards in KAM and excess of combo cards in TSP. Considering standard is fucking nothing but generic midrange and aggro decks, another Ravnica would be a mistake.

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>>52586992
Oh god. We're doing this again. The brave resistance against the oppressive intolerant 1% with the Manateers leading the charge. Christ Almighty deliver us from MaRo and Social Justice.

>>52586981
Reprinting Astral slide would make embalm completely unplayable, how stupid are you

>>52586992
main-deck playable in standard. Kill their Heart of Kirans and their Dynavolt Towers, or cycle it in a different match up

>>52586634
The new Gideon is actually disastrous. The emblem does literally nothing the old Gideon didn't do.

>>52586912
>>52586916
Want to know the difference between O Ring and this? This card gets hit by removal. And making it be able to get pushed would have been fine. You're pretty much a little faggot standard babby if you think this at 4/5 and 4 mana is OP. Just a pathetic sad little butt bloasted baby faggot who wants to play shitty aggro meme cuck decks all day while keeping everything else week as shit.

>>52587010

>Bolas
>Being oppressive

The guys most iconic spell is Slave of Bolas with the flavor text 'Nicol Bolas doesn't distinguish between servants and victims'. Is this remotely surprising?

>>52587031
That, plus there's nothing to stop your opponent from just getting you to 0 or less life then casting Trial of Zeal and bolting Gideon.

>>52587044
>t. pathetic sad little butt blasted baby faggot

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>>52587044
>it dies to doom blade therefore it isn't a problem

>>52587044
>Removal doesn't hit enchantments
Whoa. I didn't know that. Man I've been playing Erase all wrong.

>>52587065
It's bloasted, like blasted and roasted

>>52587065
>I'll throw his insult right back, that'll refute his argument
gotta love how everyone on 4chan uses logical fallacies when they can't actually argue their point.

>>52587045
Oh wow that totally makes this a lot less rehashed. You're totally right, there's no other possible way to approach a Bolas-controlled plane story than to have the Manateers start another fucking BLM protest.

>>52587072
>>52587076
Literally wouldn't be any more powerful than thought knot and that comes out turn 2 or 3.

>>52587044
Want to know the difference between O Ring and this? This can attack and reanimate itself.

>>52587084
So you concede that your insults and accusations added nothing to your argument? Then why include them in the first place?

>>52587087
>>52587045
The Jacetice League, led by Jace "Wizards' Lightning" the Gary Stu, was a mistake.

>>52587087

Considering it's a direct continuation of the last story (Chasing a servant of Bolas and ending up on Bolas' plane) it's less 'Rehashed' and more 'Still going'.

>>52587094
Yeah, that's the trade off. You get a 1 mana extra o ring that can be hit by kill spells. And can also be recurred for 6. Sounds like a pretty good and playable card. Wouldn't even be oppressive. Instead we get that fucking trash

>>52587065
*patheitc

>>52587101
1. I'm not the anon you were arguing with in the first place
2. I don't include insults in my own posts

>>52587108
Jace does not lead, though. Gideon "Beefslab" Jura is the lader.

>>52587056
The problem is not just this Gideon. It's the fact that it activates Ally of Zendikar even more. But also this Gideon is a 4/4 indestructible on turn 3.

>>52587121
4chan is not your after school debate club, you are never going to convince anyone here that their opinion is wrong you transnigger

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>>52587132
Gideon is not the leader. He is the Cheerleader.

>there is someone itt who legitimately thinks the angel at 4/5 for 2ww would be fine

holy shit I thought the "/tg/ is bad at magic" thing was just a meme

>>52587132
An easy mistake to make. Gideon is so forgettable he might as well not exist. Jace is memorable simply by how punchable his smug glowing face is.

>>52587132
>Gideon reminded himself that he wasn't the general of this little Planeswalker army. Jace, at least, expected to have a say in leadership decisions.

Literally the new story.

>>52587146
MAGIC IS DEAD! DEAD!

>>52587092
>A 4/4 flyer isn't more powerful than a 4/4 vanilla
>A 4/4 that can reanimate itself isn't more powerful than a 4/4 that can't
>A 4/4 that removes something your opponent invested mana on isn't more powerful than a 4/4 that removes something your opponent didn't invest anything into.
Both cards give you a 2 for 1 until they are removed. There is a definite advantage in TKS being able to reveal your opponent's hand and you can argue the utility of permanent discard -> draw a card against an O-Ring style effect, but you're delusional if you think that TKS is on the same power level as your proposed version of this mythic.

As an aside, Thought-Knot doesn't come down turn 2 outside of legacy and once every hundred games in modern.

>>52586327
what is this social justice bullshit?

>>52587160

'Have a say' isn't really 'Be the leader'. That sounds more like 'They are a group of equals' than Jace leading it.

>>52587114
>1 mana extra o-ring attached to a 4/5 flyer
>4 mana 4/5 with two upsides
I like how people complain about Wizards pushing creatures too hard, and when they make a completely reasonable card, they complain that it isn't fuckin broken

>>52587153
Yeah, I know right? 4/5 for 2ww is barely more playable than the angel currently is.

6/6 is the minimum playable stats for 2ww.

this set looks disappointing. it will be ok for limited (as most of them), but offers little for constructed.

>>52587166
Thought knot is a consistent turn 3 play, and yeah turn 2 isn't that infrequent, just requires hierarchy and temple, that's not 1 in a 100

>>52587178
>4 mana 4/5 with two upsides.
It's 3. ETB, Flying, and Embalm.

>>52587176
>'They are a group of equals' than Jace leading it.

Kind of like how the Justice League is a group of equals with Superman leading.

>>52587178
>completely reasonable
This card is fucking trash and will see zero play in modern. And I never complained about them pushing creatures lmao magic players are not a single entity

>>52587114
The fact it can attack is huge. It's the reason Eidolon of the Great Revel is a main deckable 4-of and Pyrostatic Pillar is a sideboard card.

>>52587214
The set's not designed for Modern.

>>52587197
>Just requires heirarch and temple
It also requires TKS so that's 3 cards out of your starting 8 (9 if you're on the draw) on top of your turn 1 untapped green source. It also requires your opponent to not bolt/path/push/decay the dork or thoughtsieze you.

>>52587199
>etbs then gets pushed
Wow

>>52587167
>Angels are originally genderless constructs that are probably inhumane
>In magicverse they are all humanoid and female for some reason
>WotC releases angels that look either genderless or male

>what is this social justice bullshit
Your craving for angel tiddy does not make your argument any better.

>>52586672
I love the flavor of this even if the wording is clumsy.

>>52587214
Yes. The card that is printed is not good enough for play in modern. Neither is Baneslayer. I suppose you'll be telling us that it was complete fucking trash as well?

>>52587231
*embalms behind you*

>>52587229
That's bad design then, especially since Modern is rapidly becoming their most popular format with the drop in Standard's popularity.

If WotC doesn't make at least 50% of new rares and mythics playable in Tier 1 Modern, MtG is going to stagnate and die.

>>52587205

When it's not Black Canary, Green Arrow, Hal Jordon, Wonder Woman, Dick Greyson or Batman.

Seriously, Justice League was really not a good example. That group changes it's leader a LOT and Black Canary is one of it's longest running leaders.

>>52587231
Wouldn't the fact that it can't be pushed make it even better?

>inb4 no

>>52587236
Angels in Magic have always been female.
There was only ever a single exception, and that was ret-conned.
So there randomly being male angels now is a rather easy to see appeal to certain people (that prob don't even play in the first place, like how SJWs always complain about video games but never actually play them.)

>>52587231
Then reanimates and ETBs a second time?
"Dies to removal" is actually a shitty argument here because it has more resiliency to removal than your average creature.

>>52587230
Of 2 temples
I really don't think you play against that much Bant Eldrazi cause turn 2 thought knot is not that rare honestly

>>52587254
>MtG is going to stagnate and die.
Good.

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Why are there suddenly tumberlinas/nu-males in my /tg/ complaining about male angels?

Just stay in your containment zone.

>>52586327
is avacyn played at all?

This seems like an inferior avacyn, the one exception is the exile bit.

>>52587254
Are you trolling are just literally retarded?

>>52587254
>especially since Modern is rapidly becoming their most popular format with the drop in Standard's popularity.
Do you have a single fact to back that up?
>If WotC doesn't make at least 50% of new rares and mythics playable in Tier 1 Modern, MtG is going to stagnate and die.
That must explain why it has been on literally constant growth in terms of sales since Theros. Because it's stagnating and dying.

Face facts idiot, Magic is a popular game that is now trying to broaden its consumer base. Standard will always be the most popular format for newer players and those new players are the ones buying the most product.

>>52587254
Doesn't even need to be 50%
Honestly if just 5 cards in each set were modern playable in tier 1 decks, not even playsets or anything then I'd be happy. And not shitty meme cards like saheeli

>>52587269
Tell you what, play 100 games against T1 modern decks and let me know how many times you get that turn 2 thought-knot off.

>>52587255
Justice League's been running for a lot longer than the Gatewatch, so I'm not surprised. But my point is that Jace is definitely the actual leader of his little super hero group.

>>52587280

The exile bit is kinda important. It's a very nice effect.

>>52587265
Who the fuck cares man? It's a mummy angel. The last several blocks all had tons of female angels. One has male angels and suddenly it's the SJWs ruining magic?

>>52587299
What separates a 'meme card' from a 'real card'?

>>52587315
If I'm playing GB tron it literally happens at least once every 5 Bant Eldrazi matchups.

>>52587329

Yes because SJWs are the ones who complain when there are not enough guys in things and they'd like less women.

>>52587254
>Modern is rapidly becoming their most popular format with the drop in Standard's popularity
Except that's literally wrong and backwards.
Modern's been dying for a while, and Wizards dropping all broadcasting of the rest of the Modern events and even substituting Modern events for other formats is proof.
Plus, they've said that they design and focus on Limited and Standard first and foremost, and any other format later.

>>52587343
Like the expertises or copy cat. Yeah they are """""playable"""" in modern but they're fucking hot garbage in everything except shitty meme decks. I want good versatile spells and creatures

>>52587279
I think you're barking at the wrong tree here. Hell, the ones complaining about them are attributing this to SJW:s.

>>52587319

And I'd disagree with that. Jace does basically zero actual leading. He's the smart guy but I'd never call him the leader.

>>52587265
Meh, I actually like the male angels. It's just another thing that WotC does to distinguish their sub-races across the planes. Goblins on Jund look like rats, vedalken on Mirrodin had 4 arms, merfolk on Lorwyn look real fucking weird, and angels on Amonkhet are all male/androgynous.

>>52587329
Amonkhet having male angels can be likened to if Mass Effect Andromeda had male Asari (as in literally male, not just figuratively. Male body structure and everything)
Angels were always female, that's just how they were. Randomly making male ones now has no reason to be a thing.

>>52587350
Wrong!

Standard attendance has been dropping like crazy. It's literally halved since the release of Kaladesh, just look at any LGS during FNM.

Modern is the lifeblood of Magic and cards should be built with Modern playability in mind.

>>52586883
4 mana 4/5 flyer that oblivion rings on ETB, and also has embalm. You're out of your goddamn mind.

>>52587329
Yes. Angels in Magic are not the same as angels in Christian mythology. Angels in Magic are constructs of pure white mana and can only be female. Demons are, by a similar rules, always male. There's no benefit to changing this rule and it now contradicts established world building.

http://markrosewater.tumblr.com/post/16354325398/why-are-all-angels-in-magic-female-well-with-the

http://thesimiccombine.tumblr.com/post/93545710818/the-fact-that-all-angels-are-female-has-come-up-a

>>52587362
What's the difference between a 'meme deck' and a 'real deck' other than personal preference?

>>52587377

It's got no real reason to NOT be a thing either. Angels are mana constructs, there is no real reason they can't be male other than 'They are traditionally female'. Things change between planes, often dramatically so with races. I mean, Lorwyn elves had antlers among other things.

>>52587385
>I like modern more than standard, so therefor I say standard is falling in popularity and modern is gaining
>I also use anecdotal evidence from my one LGS to backup my claims
yea, no

>>52587385
This is actually true. I think it's due to the extremely stale and shitty standard meta right now that's literally 100% Mardu or Saheeli. I've actually heard of the numbers dropping, but even from personal experience I've seen a lot of people transition over to modern from standard at my lgs cause standard is just fucking garbage right now.

>>52587409
If you actually played the game and went to FNM, you'd know this to be true.

I literally don't know any regular at any LGS I go to that's played Standard since Christmas.

>>52587400
Real decks win live events

>>52587409
Not him, but standard actually IS losing in popularity over modern. You can see this in tournament attendance and in primary/secondary market sales.

>>52587394
I think contradicting established world building is pretty much the point here. Probably to show that your preconceived notions of how things SHOULD work don't apply anymore.

Inb4 we get female Demons, wouldn't that be a riot.

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AMONKHET WILL HAVE ALL 5 GODS
THIS MUST MEAN THERE ARE 5 MORE GOD CARDS IN NEXT SET

>>52587146
There are people on this board right now who give a shit about angel genitals

>>52587012
Embalm interacts with the graveyard you dipshit also
>implying embalm will even be playable
Top giggles m8.

>>52587449
Or there won't be any more, and the Gatewatch or Bolas just destroys them in the story.

>>52587377
And why should I care? It's just a design choice and not nearly as upsetting as something like the M14 Slivers.

>>52587449
OH MAN

I CAN'T WAIT FOR THE SHARD AND WEDGE GODS

WHO HYPE FOR HOUR OF DEVASTATION?

>>52586146
What kind of retarded stuff?

Did you miss the memo about the split card rules change or am I overlooking some sweet interactions (aside from casting Restore Balance or something from hand)

>>52587430
The single solitary reason for this is because Standard right now is just fucking terrible

>>52587394
They are obviously transgender, anon. Don't be a regressive shitlord

>>52587446
>not wanting a demon waifu
Pleb tastes, anon.

>>52587470
It's more upsetting than Shandalar Slivers to me, considering Angels are my favorite creature type in all of Magic.
You probably really like Slivers and that's why you care more for that, but I can understand. I did hate the Shandalar Sliver changes (why the fuck are they humanoid now? why do they only affect your slivers and not all? what the fuck wizards?), but I care far more about Angels than any other thing.
I also really like continuity in my non-real-world fiction, and this shits all over continuity and world-building.

>>52587464
I can see there be 3 multicolored gods, and one dead god.
Or Bolas might be a god card/god token.

>>52587446
No you faggot, contradicting world building is poor storytelling. "These aren't preconceived notions of how things SHOULD work" it's the literal word of god saying this is how things DO work because we wrote it this way.

Subverting expectations of classical tropes is fine. Writing a story that establishes rules and then contradicting and breaking those rules is bad storytelling. If every angel had been female up until now and a male angel appeared that would be strange but not an actual problem. The problem arises when designers go on record saying that all angels in Magic (except for the what-if scenario of PC) are female and then go back on that statement.

>>52587494
We have already one.
Liliana. She is going to be a demon sooner or later.

>>52587449
Hour of devastation is top down Bolas. I wouldn't be surprised if the only god we get next set is Bolas. And that'd just be a flavor thing considering the weak cruel ultimatum in kaladesh block

>>52587483
doesn't account for modern's growth

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>>52587449
Hour of Devastation will just have the same five gods but EVIL mode, you heard it here first.

>>52587516
what growth?

>>52586327
>the token's logo isn't mythic logo
why are you doing this wizards? why?

>>52587531
Holy shit you're cool

>>52587319
when has Jace ever lead the group? He is more of the intel gatherer and bends backwards everytime someone more competent arrives, like Tamiyo. On Kaladesh, he didn't do shit except playing pirate, while Gideon kept Liliana under control and got shit done.

>people mad about male angels
You guys know what else had male angels? The Bible. In fact it had exclusively male angels, the rest are from fucking bible fanfiction

i though the whole point of planes was that they are different. maybe in this plane angels just happen to be male

>>52587548
>Bible
>Magic
Angels in Magic are different than Bible Angels, idiot.

>>52587394
Not all demons were always demon. Ob Nixilis used to be a human. Avacyn said Gurrak was turning into a demon. It's been a while since we've seen him, so I'm not sure if he's a demon yet.

>>52587548
>implying christian faith has any pull on a high fantasy fictional universe
toppest of keks

also, MaRo himself confirmed that all angels in Magic are female on purpose, as a design choice
http://markrosewater.tumblr.com/post/16354325398/why-are-all-angels-in-magic-female-well-with-the
so the fact that they're randomly changing it now, for no reason, is stupid and arbitrary

>>52586629
mama set when?

>>52587548
>Bolas made Male Angel to troll Magic Player. Because he is such a Meta Dick.

>>52587559
Wow why are wizards trivialising my religious beliefs?

>>52587552
No.

No.

No fucking way.

All angels are female, it's a fucking FACT of Magic lore.

Having male angels would be like having living vampires.

Some rules are not meant to be broken.

>>52587501
>world-building
They're different worlds and they should be different worlds.
I want the blocks to actually feel different, they should practically be avoiding similarities considering how boring the flavor is at this point. It's already bad enough that we need to have the same fucking boring creature types every fucking set.

>>52587573
He embraced his demon side.
Next Garruk could even be monoblack

>>52587573
Well since I've seen him, I haven't been keeping up on the lore to closely, but I think I would have noticed other people talk about him if he made an appearance.

>>52587505
perhaps they are not "real" angels, like the gods are not "real". They are all constructs of Bolas will. And Bolas does not like womyn, because he is a misogynistic asshole who is also the villain and evil and must be defeated by the gender-balanced Jacetice League.

>>52587505
I was saying it was in accordance that this plane was created by NICOL MOTHERFUCKING BOLAS.

Does Nicol fucking Bolas give a shit about angel tiddy? I THINK NOT!

>>52587552
dont you dare to disagree with our autismo friends in this thread

>>52587586
They are trans, anon. Stop being bigoted

>>52587603
Holy shit it's "titty" not "tiddy" you fucking nigger

>>52587583
because you are not a muslim, a jew or a hindu despite it being the current year, racist.

>>52587586
I cant decide whether this is bait or not. it better be.

>>52587587
I'd rather they just don't print Angels in planes where it makes literally 0 sense, like Kaladesh and Amonkhet.
I love Angels more than anything, but I'd happily go without any for a few blocks if it'd stop Wizards from filling some kind of creature type quota they seem to have, what with printing random creature types in sets they don't belong. (angels, demons, the 1 (ONE) wurm and giant in Kaladesh)

>>52587617
tiddies are better than titties.

>>52587573
could this go in the different direction? A human that is transformed into an angel?

>put more chicks into things
>muh sjw
>put more dudes into things
>muh sjw

Jesus christ you people are on another plane of autism.

>>52587625
Fuck outta here with that blasphemy

>>52587586
>Having male angels would be like having living vampires.

...didn't we just have 2 planes with that?

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>>52587586
no dude, but listen, hey dude, listen hear me out

female

demons

>>52587632
That happens on Alara, soldiers of both genders that do exemplary things in battle and service to the meek eventually get uplifted to be angels by the Alesha.
Thing is, even if you're male you become a female angel, because all angels in MtG are and have always been female.

>>52587655
Wtf i love alara now?!

>>52587632
I wouldn't know. I don't see why not though.

>>52587655

Can you find a source besides card art that states this, or are you talking conjecture?

>>52587655
>Alesha
Amesha*

>>52587655
Bolas is trolling us.
Repeat after me.
BOLAS IS TROLLING US.

>>52587651
Magic needs more monster girls. Right now we only really have Sheoldred.

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>Egyptian theme block with Sphinxs
>Blue God centered around a large hand size
Would they....

>>52587655
Alara, a plane where Bolas has been active before? Hmmm

>>52587461
Astral slide kills embalm tokens for free to dumbass, shit is way too OP

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>>52587681
Have this Ashling art.

>>52587548
>implying the bible isn't a fanfiction

>>52586961
Will this get an errata? Discarding is part of the cycling cost. This makes all your cycling cards have "0: draw a card."

>>52586672
>At the beginning of your precombat main phase, remove all flood counters from Bounty of the Luxa. If no counters were removed this way, put a flood counter on Bounty of the Luxa and draw a card.
>When you remove a flood counter from Bounty of the Luxa, add 1UG.

Was it that hard Wizards?

>>52587727
Was what hard?

>>52587723
Yeah I noticed that too. 100% chance they errata it immediately

>>52587727
Was it hard to make it ambiguous as to how much mana you get when you remove multiple counters?
I'd say no since they managed it but you seem to be having trouble

>>52587745

They have to, besides the obvious insanity of just drawing for free; there's no caveat that tells you to reveal what you're cycling.

>>52587723
>>52587745
kek! Might get the B-hammer instead. Depends on their errata policy.

>>52587548
BTW to be exact biblical angels were genderless constructs that weren't even humane (think NGE angels, like that). Traditional depictions did make them look like dudes because history is inconsistent.

Hell, Lucifer isn't even the same thing as Satan, that's just a translation error.

>>52587727
That doesn't work as well as the original.
Yes, it's more elegant and readable, but the wording you propose leaves it open to abuse through things like proliferate giving it more than one counter, and then you'd get more than the intended 3 mana.
You could say "whenever you remove one or more..." I guess.

>>52587727
Those don't do the same. In your version, someone could technically abuse it by adding and removing flood counters from it.

>>52587771
Obviously you just have to reveal it to the nearest judge volunteering at the event.

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>>52587548
>male angels
>male
Does this look male to you?

>>52587814

It'd be funny if they designed cards that just required you to trust the dude across the table, or have an actual unbiased third party watching the match.

Get fucked kitchen table.

> Literally discussing the sex of angels.
Can't really say I'm surprised, but seriously?

>>52587723
>>52587745
>>52587773
It won't get an errata just because some neckbeards tried to read the card their way.

>>52587265
Get shrekt, Bolas just had the good sense to give his angels wieners.

>>52587847
the forever ongoing debate of waifus and husbandos

>>52587843
Pretty sure they exist in silver border.

>>52587847
Actually, the discussion is about mtg lore.

>>52587621
>I'd rather they just don't print Angels in planes where it makes literally 0 sense, like Kaladesh and Amonkhet.
Agreed, but I really don't care if angels in one plane are different than angels in another. I hated slivers mostly because they looked fucking awful.

>>52587825
Yeah, all those eyes but no ears to listen with, am I right girls?

>>52587825
It's a baby in the middle of a bunch of rings.

It's the symbol of reproduction in the middle of a bunch of symbols for female genitalia.

It's basically the symbol of Chads that make single mothers out of a dozen different women, making it the symbol of toxic masculinity.

So yeah, it looks plenty male.

>>52586327
It may see play, but I'm glad that Amonkhet is slowly making its way to being a terrible set because now Wizards can, like Marvel, claim that all the niggers and gay faggots they threw into the set didn't make cards sell because their player base "are horrible bigots". Instead of blaming it on power level, just like exactly what happened on Kamigawa.

>>52587853
Tell me how discarding isn't part of cycling's cost. Even if they don't errata that card they'll have to change the cycling rules.

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>>52584507
7 mana mythic!!! That does nothing when it comes down. Only targets one player. Then after all that bullshit it gives the opponent that you chose a choice(!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!) of whether sac a creature/planeswalker or loses 5 life...
I guess the 50 cent mythic bin wasn't full enough.
Not even close to EDH out of 10.
Just shit.

>>52587853
you mean the accurate way?

The card doesnt specify mana cost, i says "you may pay 0 rather then pay cycling cost"

discarding a card is part of the cycling cost.

>>52587853

It's not about reading the card differently.

>702.28a Cycling is an activated ability that functions only while the card with cycling is in a player’s hand. “Cycling [cost]” means “[Cost], Discard this card: Draw a card.”

Everything before the colon (IE: [W], Discard this card:) is a cost. That's how every card in magic functions.

Everyone here understands what the card means, which is why there'll be an errata to clarify that they meant the mana cost, or that it's [0], Discard this card:.

Doing an errata right as a card releases is sloppy but it's happened in the past, so whatever. It's not a huge deal.

>>52587416
>>52587426
Our store has waaaay more Standard players than Modern.

>>52587888
It's obviously meant to be cheated out.

>>52587888
Actually, he can't choose to pay life. He only loses life if he can't sac.

>>52587888

It's not a choice. The life loss happens if they can't sac but they must try to sac.

>>52587888
Actually the opponent doesn't get a choice on whether they sac or lose 5 life. They do have a say in what they sac though.

>there are more angels than sphinxes on the fucking Egypt plane
Reeeeeeeeeee

>>52587649
Yup!

>>52586961
>Cool card you can build a deck around
>7 fucking mana
>Need to jump through FUCKING hoops just to get it online
>A FUCKING RARE

This is the EXACT problem with Kamigawa, and a fucking decade of "lessons learn the in card design" hasn't taught them SHIT about designing a set that everyone likes to play.

>>52587899
>>52587886
>>52587896
Cycling (cost)
Cycling (0)
Like i said the rules doesn't need errata just because some neckbeards tried to play it their way.

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>>52587888
>Little anime posting weeb faggot is retarded and illiterate and a stupid bitch.
Color me surprised

>>52587899
>>52587853
>>52587723
>>52587745
>>52587773

Guys, there's already a rule

702.1a If an effect refers to a “[keyword ability] cost,” it refers only to the variable costs for that keyword.

>>52586327
Is it so hard for white to have something other than o-ring effects?

>>52587723
No it fucking doesn't you retarded sack of shit.

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>>52587970
>HURRR IM A HUGE FUCKING RETARD HURRR LOOK AT ME I DONT UNDERSTAND THE RULES HURRRRR FUCK MY ASSS HOLE PLS OH FUCK IMM SUCCH A STUPID FAGGOT FUCK ME PLEASE IN THE ASS HURRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR

>>52587989
Welcome to the NWO.
Where White O-Ring and Green rape you.

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>>52587681

>>52587363
The point is they're no different from each other.

>>52588013

Well, he's right. 702.1a. No errata needed.

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>>52586961
>>52587723
>>52587745
>>52587771
So pic related just got a great new plaything.
0: draw your deck without even having to reveal a card with cycling is great!

The Amonkhet card should've said "cycling mana costs" instead of just "cycling costs"
As it's written, you also pay 0 instead of the discard.

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>>52587921
My bad.
However only time this will be played is in EDH and even then this is still really bad.
Because you would have to rath most fields for the lose life to hit. Also in EDH it is to easy by the time this comes down create a chump creature to sac for this enchantment.
AKA still no reason to be a mythic.

>>52587681
And elesh norn...

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>>52587989
There are some exile effects on non permanent white cards

>>52588013
Throwing tantrums doesn't mean the game will be played your way.

>>52588023
That seems more like a blue card than a red card.

I know Prowess is evergreen in red, but it's not very red to be on a 1/3 body.

>>52588056
Red's main color identity trait is being bad. If it's bad then it's red.

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>>52588056
Red creatures are above curve now

http://markrosewater.tumblr.com/post/159290243593/can-you-please-explain-why-red-is-now-receiving

>>52587474
>Did you miss the memo about the split card rules change
The split card rules change does not affect how split cards interact with As Foretold. The rules change affects only the characteristics of split cards that are not on the stack. As Foretold looks at cards that are on the stack.
https://www.reddit.com/r/magicTCG/comments/63oet6/akh_as_foretold/dfvpobz/

>>52588076
Blue got it worst most of the time though

Red can't have any good burn or decent sized creatures
Blue can't have any good card period, it has become the joke of the color pie who's only here to support the other colors

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>all this angel gender war
>Instead of just discussing about which new pieces of cardboard are gonna be worth turning sideways

>>52587980
>frogposter makes a dumb post
I prefer smug anime girls to you.

>>52588151
>which new pieces of cardboard are gonna be worth turning sideways
None. Now let's move to the next topic: How will the avengers save the day?

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>>52588056
>>52588082

>Development decided it was okay. The end.

And so it is written.

Okay then, thanks.

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ANGELIC DONG CONFIRMED

>>52586693
Not a real Angel -- how could you mummify a real Angel?

>>52588234
Isn't male a gender?

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>>52588177
Bolas is going to kick them out. We will visit 5 other planes (for each walker to level up) before round two.

>>52586236
You fucked up the color wheel retard

>>52588248
Not according to sjw's. It's a scourge.

>>52584731
Holy shit I've never seen this. A motherfucking demon with a motherfucking gun in magic. That's so fucking metal.

>>52588234
Female demons when? I need satantits in my life.

>>52587184
Still dies to removal.

>>52588332
Patience... For when that happens, it is truly the Hour of Revelation.

>>52588038
You are mistaken.
>702.1a If an effect refers to a “[keyword ability] cost,”it refers only to the variable costs for that keyword.

>>52588261
Gideon's gonna die.

Gatewatch can't lose till he does. It's right on his card!

>>52587400
A meme deck is composed of meme cards. Try to keep up here, anon.

>>52587586
Aren't Zendikar vampires living?

>>52588261
Bolas is going to kill all of them, reboot the setting to a high school for gifted children and become it's principle. Planeswalkers will stop being a thing because every plane was condensed into one high school plane.

>>52588261
>>52588375
>Big Daddy Bolas kills Gideon
>The remaining 5 members of the Gatewatch go on a quest to gather more walkers
>They eventually end up in Kamigawa to look for Tamiyo
>They find Tetsuo Umezawa instead
>He kills Bolas (again), resurrects Gideon and joins the Gatewatch

Mark my words

>>52588443

Atleast Chandra acting like a high school girl would be justified.

>>52587964
Subtracting the Concentrate from the mana cost it's a three-mana better than Fluctuator with a restriction that it fixes on its own.

Somewhat playable in a format with Failure to Comply, Engulf the Shore, Negate hitting most decks, and Disallow hitting the ones Negate doesn't. You just need like one draw spell and you'll probably hit the requirement.

>>52587981
How old is this rule? Did they just make it after realizing they fucked up, or has this been a thing for a while?

>>52588472
I'd be down just so I can finish my Tetsuo Commander deck since they'll have to reprint him for that. fuck his like 45 dollar price tag.

>>52588513
Pretty old.

>>52587603
Nicol Bolas will stick it in any angel, tiddies or no. That's why he's such a fan-favorite.

>>52588472
Tetsuo Umezawa lives on Dominaria, not Kamigawa. At the end of the Kamigawa novels, the Myojin of Night's Reach SOMEHOW managed to take Toshiro Umezawa from Kamigawa and put him on Dominaria. Then blinded him for some reason. Toshiro eventually started his own clan there, and his descendent is Tetsuo.

>>52588513
You don't have to worry familia. When wizards is moving goalposts they'll announce it unlike autistic anons here.

>>52587621
>We need a big, religious-flavored flier for our Egyptian set. Any ideas?
>Uhh..dragons?
>YES! Always dragons! And demons! Demons are Egyptian as shit!
>What about sphinxes?
>I guess, maybe one.
>Or lammassu? I mean, they're not exactly Egyptian, more Babylonian, but -
>What the fuck are you talking about? Just go design some angels, ones with dongs.

>>52587531
>EVIL mode gods
>Their masks melt off, showing their faces in a more primal, animalistic form

>>52587548
The way you phrased this makes you sound like a teenage fedora tipping atheist who just found reddit and ruins every family dinner by acting like a fucking brat

>>52587678
Alesha becomes a female angel because fuck you, she killed a dragon and does what she wants.

>>52587727
>If there are no flood counters on ~, put a flood counter on it.
>Otherwise, remove all flood counters and add 1UG

That's cleaner and still works the same, yeah?

>>52587825
That's not a baby in the middle, it's a fiery dick.

>>52587723
>>52587745
>>52587771
Discarding is a part of the effect not the cost.

>>52588082
>That FUCKING entitled shit asking the question like it isn't supposed to be normal that we get on curve creatures with an upside.

Pandering only brings in brainless fucks like these.

>>52588695
If it's before the colon then it's a cost, if it's after it's an effect.
The discard is before the colon, therefore it's a cost.

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>>52587531

>>52587872
And actually played differently. If boy angels somehow don't interact properly with girl angels, then there may be a problem.