>The dragon's "priceless treasure" is actually

>A fight breaks out among the victorious dragon slayers over who gets to adopt the child

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>>52583887
>Not murdering the demon-spawn before it has a chance to grow into the monster it will surely become
Poor form desu.

>PCs think that the hoard of gold coins could be described as priceless.

>sell to monstrologists for ingridients.

Done.

>>52584017
>monstrologist.
Sounds ugly desu.

>>52584025
I'll see you after the full workshift of digging thorugh monsters' innards. She cleans up nicely though.

>>52584040
I mean the name. It should be something like teratologist, from Terastos than means monster.

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>>52583911
A truly Good deed would be to help this Dragon use her powers to better the world.


And also make her wear pretty dresses and give her delicious food and go "aww" when she has a nightmare and wants to sleep with you.

>>52583883
Least you can stuff them and stick them in the adventurers man-cave.
Maybe a stand holding a plate of biscuits or an ashtray or something

>>52584064
What's she gonna do when she learns you murdered her dad and fucked the corpse?

>>52583883
>The dragon's "priceless treasure" is actually his daughter (male)

>>52584084
when she is teenager

>>52583883
If you are who I think you are, he's only half-dragon and she's adopted.
She is adorable, though.

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>>52584064
Evil is inherent in its nature. Best I can do is a merciful death.

>>52584107
/a/ this shit needs to stop, it's not healthy.

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>>52583883
Kill them both

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>>52584107

>>52584049
I'm not autistic enough to care, so monstrologist stays.

>>52583883
>his infant daughter is actually a gigantic sized gold coin golem

>>52583911
>>52584129
I'm sure that people who post like this are obsessed far-righters.

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>>52583883
Threaten to have the Kingdom's Child Welfare Services take her away unless he turns his life around and gets a respectable, well-paying job instead of eating virgins and burning down villages.

He might be a dragon, but that doesn't mean he's above the law!

>>52584324
>People roleplaying on a roleplaying board RIDICULOUS!!

>>52583883

Raise them to be good, and then kill them before their evil nature takes over.

>>52584324
>he doesn't realized the far-righters are the ones posting the anime pictures
Have you been under a rock for years now?

>>52584339
>The kingdom's child welfare services slowly amass a small army of maltreated, abandoned, and orphaned children and raise them into proper citizens, eventually making the kingdom's armies invincible due to how much PC material ends up within their ranks.
FUCK I need to run this now.

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[x] Fuck Lucoa instead

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>>52584324
Jokes on you, I'm a radical leftist. I just like to roleplay uncompromising crusaders! :^)

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>>52584339
>e might be a dragon, but that doesn't mean he's above the law!

That is exactly what that means you fruitcake.

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>>52584490
9 out of 10 Gods of Law disagree. And that last one, from what I understand, is a dragon, so, you know, a bit biased.

Better idea, sell the dragon to the highest bidder in some black market.
I'm sure someone would want a pet dragon.

>>52584339
...fuck it, I'm joining the dragon.

>>52583883
>"FUCK!!!!" Said the fighter's player
>"THIS IS BULLSHIT" Said the wizard's player
>"AYY I AIN'T NO KIDDIE FUCKER" cried the bard's player
>"I'm already babysitting you guys." Shrugged the cleric
"I will raise at as my own" Said the Evil Rogue's player
>"U w0t" The group and the DM looked at the rogue as if he had just kicked a puppy, which he did five sessions ago.
>"Look you're not the most-"
"Look you guys definitely don't want it, So I guess I will take the loot and besides I get to have my own fucking dragon! how cool is that?" said the rogue and slid his character to the dragon loli's side
>"Correction, infant dragon" Said the idea stealing DM
>"Details, now Time to raise me a fire breathing dragon"

BAM, New BBEG or Rogue redemption arc. Eitherway works

>>52584666
>implying rogue redemption isnt the only option

>>52584339
>He might be a dragon, but that doesn't mean he's above the law!

... Are you... actually retarded?

>>52584744
>Implying dragons are above the law
>Implying Gods are above The Law
Do You Even JUSTICE?

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>>52584744
Noone is above the law.

>>52584324
Is this one of those intentionally ironic posts?

>>52584687
Maybe it evens out. The dragon gets a bit of the rogues "quirks" and in turn the rogue goes from CE to a more TN stanpoint though he will still be a bit greedy

>>52583883
> Invade the dragon's lair
> Discover the 'treasure'
> Dragon gets mad, kicks butt
> Nobody's actually dead after the right
> Party gets lined up against a very charred wall, and is given an offer.
> Take the daughter and show her the ways of humans, then return her in a decade.
> He says he'll be watching.
> Now indebted to a dragon
> Every peasant, every barwench, every innkeeper, every guardsman might be the dragon in disguise or a spy for him.
> Or Mommy Dragon.

>>52583883
If she's priceless, can we trade her for a nice set of magical armour?

>>52584804
A dragon frying that judge in his fancy armor is.

>>52584324

Dude, you just KILLED HER FATHER.

What do you think she's going to do when she grows up? I'm not going to have that 'last of his kind' bullshit going around.

>>52585032
Sounds like a fun setup to me.

>Have multiple recurring antagonists.
>Greedy noble who wants to pawn off young dragon for money
>Crazy warlock who wants to use young dragon's soul for powerful ritual
>Some other dragon (or mommy dragon) that refuses to believe the party and keeps trying to "rescue" the young dragon from them.
>Basically play the whole campaign like a light-hearted Saturday morning cartoon.

>>52585067
I'm pretty sure Lawgiver has some anti-dragon rounds.

Dragon gets rekt.

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>>52584176
Maybe I'm autistic, but ths image always makes me tear up.

The man just wanted to fulfill his dream man. Just wanted to *be* something. But no. The man stops him. The bounds of society keep us all from achieving our dreams.

Don't let anyone stop your dreams brave Knight.
You kill those dragons.
Because I know you're doing it for everyone who's ever dared to dream.
You're doing it for us.

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>>52583883
>The dragon was a fag this whole time

>>52583887
>A fight breaks out among the victorious dragon slayers over who gets to rape the child

>>52584084
We can have a very dramatic episode, then we end up crying and hugging together.

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>infant daughter
>she's actually a few hundred yeas old and already seeking a mate

>>52585390

>it's le funny becuase le serious face, but it's not really a serious situation xD

>>52585417
It's a type of moe you stupid faggot

>>52584744
Are you implying Commander Samuel Vimes is retarded, good sir?

>>52585390
That running gag was so fucking obnoxious.

Also kind of disgusting even for me,

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>>52585451
>gag

>>52584804
What about the god of law?

>>52584744
>>52584798
>>52584804
>implying law and justice are the same thing

>>52585506
so... law would be what is imposed upon the world by the gods, and justice would be the retribution exacted upon one not following the law, correct?

>>52585554
>by the gods
>implying there are no injust laws

>>52585568
This is going to become a paladin falls, what do? thread, isn't it?

>>52585032
> The dragon doesn't want his child to live the same kind of life as himself, always hunting and being hunt.
> Accept the offer because he realised he would be a bad influence for her.
> Still watch from afar because muh child.

>>52585568
It's a fantasy game you mongoloid.

>>52585587
There are man made laws, and all that. Have enough money, contacts, whatever? You're above the law. Essentially, everyone/thing is above the law, while on the other hand, nothing is above justice. It's like a force of existence, like gravity, or death, unlike law.

>>52584324
Or they're just people who have played D&D and use its alignment system as reference for their actions... Nah, that isn't possible. It's not like this board is dedicated to the discussion of Traditional Games or anything.

>>52585568
objective morality, mongoloid. there are no unjust laws in D&D

>>52585554
Justice is the ideal, laws are the practical compromises.

>>52585607
Are there no unjust laws in fantasy games?

>>52585630
Depends on the DM and the character's alignment. If RPGs are your grounds for shitty philosophy debates you may need a new hobby.

>>52585630
You need to ask yourself some questions about the law first.
1. Who set the law
2. What was its intended purpose
3. Do you feel you are in a station above whoever set the law?
Weigh up your options, then act accordingly.

>>52585390
>knock knock
>"FBI!"

>>52584084
Well, we can- wait, what? Which of you fuckers fucked that dragon corpse?!

>>52585609
>justice is a real force like gravity/death
Are you literally retarded?
We can observe and measure gravity, we know death is a fact. Justice is not equivocal to a natural law. Justice is a human concept.

>>52585645
>"Is there a problem officers?"
>"You're under arrest for fucking a baby
>"Actually she's 300 years old and a dragon"
>"Our apologies sir, please, continue"

>>52585643
>act accordingly
I really don't see how those questions answer mine though.

>>52585666
I wonder who could be behind this post.

>>52585669
Well, seeing as you want to play the subjective morality game, you'd first need to define your version of justice. And the law. and society as a whole. Which is complicated so i'm going to keep with the already agreed upon objective answer of "No"

>>52585665
Either the bard or the necromancer. Or both.

>>52585684
So all laws are just, no exceptions?

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>>52585645
>FBI
These dumbasses can't get anything done.

>>52585689
Here I could've sworn it was gonna be the barbarian

>>52585689
Let's see the corpse isn't undead. It must have been the bard.
>>52585756
The barbarian is a furry, they're not into dragons.

>>52585756
I suppose he forced the dragon to give him head but only if you stretched the definition.

>>52585774
But its like an animal right? I thought he was into fucking animals?

>>52584373
Jesus christ what's wrong with her arms

>>52583883
REMOVE DRAGONS!

>>52585795
Not all animals, just mammals, and definitely not dead ones.

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>>52583883
>it's dragons all the way down

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>>52584084
>fuck the corpse

>>52585708
>tell me about 4chan, why does he want to fuck the dragonlolis
>a lot of loyalty for a jerked off dick

No /a/, you aren't allowed to fuck the Dragon Loli.

>>52584324
Forcing politics into unrelated discussions. You're as bad as any of them faggot.

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>>52583883
Now you went full on retard mode, dragons don't have "infants" the lay eggs and the unhatched dragons are already intelligent and know how superior they are to mortals. Upon hatching the dragon hatchling is already capable of killing your average human and will do so and eat it without hesitation. Plus dragons don't have "single offsprings" they lay multitudes of eggs because dragons are fierce rival and most dragon hatchlings will get preyed upon by other older dragons or the hatcling prey upon each other because they are a potential threat to them.

For dragons there is no love for your young, they are only a necessity to propagate their species and grow their power base.

>>52585203
go back to /d/, all of your kind.

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>>52584744

>>52585707
Yep. Well, there is a difference between divine law and mortal law, so yes, you're right in terms of mortal law. If it was set by a god it's just, if it was set by a man it can be unjust.

>>52585433

>watches moe
>Calls me a stupid faggot

If you said that to my face m8 you'd be mince meat.

>>52585991
Maybe for chromatic dragons. I like to think metallic dragons are a bit nicer than that.

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>>52585991
I think you're confusing Dragons with Drow anon.

>>52586027
I don't watch moe
But I know what it is

>>52586132
REMOVE DRAGONS!

When will you fags go back to /a/?

>>52586063
I bet Drow women just birth fucken hundreds of children, one after another, for a few days. Then the next few months are filled with subterfuge as the females send the males to eliminate their rivals children, then play dumb about it if the males get caught.

Probably not, because they aren't insects or dragons, but it's the kind of thing Drow would do.

>>52583911
dragons aren't inherently evil for the most part (depends by color and setting obviously) so murdering the baby dragon would be an evil action

it hasnt done anything wrong, isnt responsible for the actions of its parent and is capable of doing great good - if anything it is your duty to raise it as a morally upstanding individual

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>>52586063
No because dragon behavior, as dumb as it is, has a tiny semblance of logic behind it.

Drows as a race and as a society on the other hand are completely bullshit retarded and only exist and function because they have a real living goddess literally babysitting their entire society 24/7.

>>52586482
It's already raised. Dragons hatch from the egg with their intelligence installed. So it depends on the colour, and because the prompt already tells us that we killed the dragon, then we can already assume we don't like whatever colour it is anyway. So you can be completely upstanding about killing the baby dragon, just make sure it doesn't kill you first, because it can do that.

>>52586588
the more evil chromatics aren't really known for familial ties, so it could be a case where the party and dragon are in conflict due to politics/land dispute/ wealth

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>>52583883
I did punch a baby dragon to death once.

It was a black dragon, though, so it was all good.

>>52585808
they are slightly bent forward but it makes it appear like they are curved

>>52586456
According to a Dragon Magazine article, Drow normally conceive multiple children, but they kill and eat each other in the womb, like certain sharks do. The feeling induced by your unborn babies killing each other in the womb apparently gives mind-blowing orgasms, and is one of the main reason Drow women go through pregnancy.

>>52583883
We shall leave her be after infecting her with brain-control nanites.

>>52586615
alright. so the party just leaves the evil dragonspawn to take all it's parents stuff and pick up where they left off?

>>52586880
are drow some kind of curse /d/ inflicted upon the world?

>>52586880
that seems a bit too magical realmy to me

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>>52586943
Van Kleiss please Leave.

>>52587006
The Underdark is a magical realm indeed

>>52585390
s-sawss?

>>52585612
Is this the same D&D in which there are officially redeemed succubi?

>>52586880
Yet another reason to purge those weird ass ant-Elves. Day of the flood when.

>>52586998
>not handing her over to a church / paladin order to become a defender of JUSTICE
>not raising her yourself
>not entrusting the parties wizard ally with its care

>>52585179
Maybe it's still better to not have children traumatised by a delusional suddenly rynning up and murdering the zoo animals they're looking at

>>52583883
This loli is criminally thicc.

I mean it. Somebody belongs in jail for making her this way.

I wait for the day where she reaches puberty tho.

>>52587074
how do you not know? it's been the new internet maymay show for a while now.

Does anyone have that comic where the knight finds out the dragon's hoard is all pictures or junk or whatever and the dragon is like "They're treasures to meeeee"

>>52583883
Congratulations, your spawn now get to be half or at least quarter dragons.

>>52587088
I've already told you, dragons are born completely raised, once they hatch they already have a personality, and if it's an evil dragon then it's already evil. Kill it where it is or face regrets when it burns down the church, kills you or kills the wizard.

>>52585471
A god of law isn't above the law; they ARE the law, quite literally.

>>52584346
It was outlawed when quests were moved to /qst/.

>>52587238
>dragons born completely raised
what utter tripe is this? i couldnt find anything to suport this

the only way something could be born fully raised is if it did not biologically develop but was instead programmed (elemental/golem) - and besides the dragon could easily have been neutral and been in conflict with the party for certain reasons

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>>52587310
You literally could not be more wrong.

>>52587369
It's joke my dude

>>52584373
i'd fuck her so good she couldn't keep her eyes closed.

i want those weird rainbow heterochromia eyes to roll back into her head with a cute ahegao as I fill her to the brim with my cum.

>>52584346
/tg/ isn't a roleplaying board, it's a traditional games board. Games like warhammer, chess, and mtg do not require any roleplaying. The only games here that do are tabletop roleplaying games, which are just a small fraction of the games discussed here. If this were not true, they would not have moved quests to /qst/.

>>52587344
dragons aren't neutral. there's chromatic and there's metallic. metallic is good, chromatic is evil.
There do exist Gem dragons but I believe we're talking about 5e so they are irrelevant.

>>52586943
I have contamination and mutants in my brain

>>52587380
Iv'e seen enough No-fun-allowed autists unironically say things like this that I can't even tell anymore.

>>52587479
>brown, sand, fang, rust, howling, ethereal , ectoplasmic, concordant, chaos, axial, astral and iron dragons can all be neutral

and some drakes

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>>52583883
>the plot is a cliche from /tg/

>The dragon is rumored to have a legendary stash
>He's an Asian dragon with whiskers and is extremely proud of his awesome 'stache.

>>52587585
why have I never thought of this

>ocelotte, where are you hiding?

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>>52587202
She's not thicc, she's soft.

>>52587689
Them thighs are weaponized thicc, don't lie

Okay, I give up. What anime is this from and where can I watch it? I need more THICC semen demon dragon lolis in my life.

>>52585045
It happened once to my party.
The dragon was sold to a dwarven stronghold were he was raised in the ways of law and goodness. We got mastercrafted armors and weapons.

>>52587739
Kobayashi-san Chin no Maid Dragon.
It's also a manga, which goes considerably further than the anime (the anime just ended, unless it gets a second season, and doesn't cover all of the manga plot).

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>>52587479
There are evil metallics and good chromatics, they're just rare.

>>52587796
Meant to reply to >>52587732

>>52587058
Please we all know that's Liquid Ocelot.

>>52587805
alright. so it is statistically extremely unlikely that this dragon will change alignment, having been born bad and gone through great trauma at an early age. the pragmatic thing to do for everyone is to kill it.

>>52587833
Well as you are the traumatic event at the early age, and you have power over the dragon. You'd have the best odds of reprogramming the dragon to be good or neutral or at the very least loyal to you.

>>52587892
It still seems like a bad idea to fuck with the head of a chromatic dragon. They were already known for being somewhat fickle in their actions, so that just seems like it would worsen it. Would you trust a mentally traumatised red dragon to watch your back? I certainly wouldn't.

>>52586625
Racist

>>52587975
Not until you've finished the theropy and their no longer full PTSD mode. After they've worked through the trauma maybe, but keeping safeguards up is important. and some assets can be used to devastating effect but require that they not be trusted.

>>52587442
>Admits that roleplaying games are /tg/ but feels it necessary to bring up that one particular kind of /tg/ we got rid of and how it's totality not /tg/
Holy fuck, the insecurity.

>>52587975
I don't know why you would worry when you just proved yourself capable of killing a more powerful dragon.

>>52585991
>dragons don't have "infants" the lay eggs and the unhatched dragons are already intelligent and know how superior they are to mortals.
Nowhere was it said that the dragon's offspring was a full blooded dragon.

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>>52584324

>>52584666
>BBEG
>what did he mean by this?

nice trips

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>>52583911
What's with all the baby murder on /tg/ these days?

>>52588295
Big Bad Evil Guy, or main villain of a campaign.

>>52588295
either the rogue uses the dragon and becomes the new bbeg because the player is incapable of not being a dick, or they are redeemed through their new child.

>>52588298
Nits make lice.

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>>52588298
>these days

Oh, my sweet summer child

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>>52588298
>these days

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>>52584744
if the dragon isn't above the law then how come the party cleric wants it dead?

>>52588372
where is that from, I need to send it to my edgelord player to make him happy.

>>52584562
...can I bid?

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>>52588368
What the fuck, Gary?

>>52588402
She's the mother.

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>>52588424
You want a bidding war then, punk?

>>52588368
>nits make lice
Was... Gary aware of what that phrase was supposed to be justifying, historically?

>>52588476
Given that he's directly talking about how Custer went after woman and children I'd say so.

>>52585179
Man, I know how you feel. Like, on an adult level, killing two innocent animals and possibly thousands of dollars worth of zoo property is a bad idea.

But when you think of him as an almost Don Quixote type character, just someone who loves high fantasy and the simple, childish world of valiant knights saving beautiful princess from evil dragons it's just crushing to see that be crushed my the gray reality of the world we live in, like watching a child lose his favorite toy.

Or maybe it's just a picture someone threw together to say "wouldn't it be funny?"

>>52588409
Black Comedy called God Bless America.

It's not that good but there a few good moments in there

>>52586514
>Drows as a race and as a society on the other hand are completely bullshit retarded and only exist and function because they have a real living goddess literally babysitting their entire society 24/7.

Elaborate, I want to hear about this.

>>52588524
Don Quixote was a lot more complex than "pure dreamer destroyed by society." Read the fucking book.

>>52588453
Depends. I'm open to that or a real war. Your call.

>>52585991
Hatchlings/wyrmlings are often portrayed in D&D as being able to be raised to be "nice" or whatever, and the idea that dragons can't be doting parents is BS.

>>52587714
This. This whole show is juicy tights galore.

>>52587479
OP is giving us a certain situation, and rather than just accept the situation, you say "But this setting in this system says the situation can't happen!"

Maybe its a homebrew setting using D&D rules. Maybe it's not even D&D. If the DM (or OP) says there's an innocent baby dragon then there's a god damn innocent baby dragon, just hope the DM is intelligent and reasonable enough not to punish you for whatever you do.

>>52588560
Who gives a shit, it's an apt comparison.

>>52588600
Its important to keep in mind that this guy isn't going by the system, he's going by "well, the system is wrong, dragons SHOULD be how I want them to be!"

>>52588600
Op is giving us a thread for his fetish fuel anime. I am a righteous man. I don't have time for that and I don't have time to think about the moral implications of killing a baby dragon. I am a dragonborn and Bahamut approves.

>>52588560
You're right, I'm sorry, it was wrong to compare a man with idealized views of knighthood who goes off to live out these quests by fighting mundane things he views as fantastical beasts to Don Quixote, how dare I.

>>52588643
>murder an innocent
>Bahamut revokes your scalyfag status

Wow really makes you think

>>52587479
>dragons aren't neutral. there's chromatic and there's metallic. metallic is good, chromatic is evil.
Awful. Try again with a better system.

>>52588674
If 'Detect Evil' pings are they innocent?

>>52589385
Detect Evil isn't a guarantee you should kill something, and Detect Evil not pinging isn't a guarantee you shouldn't.

>>52588674
>Bahamut, god of metallic dragons, who hates chromatic dragons
>Giving a single solitary shit about one single baby chromatic
wew lad

>>52586059
Fucking lol

>>52589794
>>52588643
>remember how in 4e D&D, it is outright said that any metallic dragon will murder any chromatic dragon ON SIGHT, without remorse or mercy, and if they can't take them, they will round up their boys (or some would be dragonslaying heroes) to do it for them, cleaning up afterwards if they die
Metallic dragons were also not dyed in the wool universal good guys. They were treated as incredibly powerful, long lived, arrogant creatures that did not particularly give a shit about YOU because you exist.
Very much like SR dragons.

I learned in another thread that dragons carry their treasure to their den in this pocket in their neck called a croup. I'd want to be at the lair in time to see this fucker regurgitate his daughter

>>52583883
IMMA STEAL ME THAT TREASURE

I shall raise her, name her Futarina Theresia Whitehelm, and be proud as fuck every time she learns something

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>>52590217
>Futarina

Lewd~

>>52586002
Hey. Don't you put this evil on us. This fucker belongs in >>>/out/. /d/ is about tentacles and farts, not child rape.

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>>52590251
initials: FTW

Futarina for the win

>>52587833
>born bad
She's not born bad, she's born selfish. It means you have to create a nurturing environment to channel that nature into something productive.

>>52590433
So raise her to be a CEO and donate a lot of money to charity while really barely dipping into her humongous bank account?

>>52585991
In addition to what others said: There are settings with dragons that AREN'T D&D.

>>52587074
Boku no Piko

>>52588368
everything he said is correct

For dnd
So i dont see the problem here.
Its not like hes saying thays how it should be in real life.

>>52587074
Dragon maid

>>52590547
>There are settings with dragons that AREN'T D&D.

None that matter. >:-)

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>>52587732
There's only one dragon loli, though she's the cutest. The manga has another oppai lolidragon, though.

>>52590358
This poster is correct, there is nothing good in /d/.

>>52590358
>tentacles and farts

/d/ is for /d/ickgirls ya dingus
Have you never been?

>>52588582
>Hatchlings/wyrmlings are often portrayed in D&D as being able to be raised to be "nice"
Yes of course, if your setting is A PILE OF SHIT

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>Take dragon with me.
>Train her to fight in the sky
>Make a deal with a demon to become immortal
>Keep training
>Wait until 1941
>US declares war on Japan
>Use my dragon girl to fight the Japanese
Side note: I told her the guys with the red meatball killed her father. Totes wasn't me.

>>52590360
Who's the artist?

Ravioli Ravioli please dont fuck the dragonloli

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2wqTnwJGvtc

>>52585203
You're supposed to put something actually surprising in there. Lemme show you.
>A fight breaks out among the victorious dragon slayers over who gets to is bait :^) the child

>>52585989
American Liberals have taken over the job of derailing threads over every dumb thing from American Conservatives after they got assblasted last November. Until American politics returns to a state of relative sanity, Amerifats are going to continue to derail everything for no reason.

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>>52588555
You have a theocratic feudal society that is based on slavery, cruelty and deceit, with the power hierarchy only being decided based on who can assassinate, blackmail, bribe, force the other more effectively. Everyone is constantly backstabbing everyone into infinity because this is the only way to get ahead in the hierarchy or at least keep your place in the hierarchy or else you end up as a slave or worse dead.

You cannot realistically live in a civilized society where literally everyone and their mothers are constantly planning to enslave/murder you and your family. This also includes your immediate family, your mate, your parents, your children, your servants, literally everyone secretly planning to to get you. All while you have to worship a goddess that demands the blood sacrifice of living beings and the priesthood can literally select you or your children to be sacrificed any day they fancy and nobody can do anything about it. Why all this? Because "Drow elves are evil and they do all the nastiest evil shit because their alignment said so." By all common sense and logic such a society cannot function let alone prosper. Yet Drow while being rare and restricted to the underground are one of the most advanced and powerful societies out there, while in all rhyme and reason it should be on the level of animals.

And after all that shit, at the end of the day none of that actually matters because it is always Lolth the goddess herself that watches every single Drow ever and decides who she saves from assassination and who just allows to die because of her whims.

>>52588368
All hail the Original Autist, he who cross-classed into Edgelord.

>>52591704
It's gonna be long 8 years...

>>52591839
It's worth pointing out that drow have the reproductive rates of humans but still live to be hundreds of years old, and many of their assassination plots don't go off for years. Some matrons live up to like 800 and shit. Though somehow these people who could have a kid every year and live hundreds of years always end up having like five children. Drowtales had a character who lived to be quite a few centuries old, and when it came time for war she fielded an army of hundreds of her daughters and her daughter's daughters and her daughter's daughter's daughters. I thought that was pretty sweet.

Blood sacrifices also includes slaves, so it doesn't have to be other drow, though it still is fairly often. And that bit about Lolth's favor deciding who lives and dies is only somewhat true, she doesn't watch every single person but she can make it clear whether or not you have her favor to everyone around you which can make you free game and destroy an entire house overnight if you piss her off.

All this power hierarchy stuff also happens in the ruling houses. There are more normal drow living in slums and shit. They might assassinate to get ahead in life, but it's not required for them.

There are also a few drow in the novels who lacked a thirst for power, and were simply content with their lives. Not good, or even neutral, but content. I remember one priestess of a pretty high level temple who was expected to kill her way to the top, but was completely fine with just maintaining her temple to Lolth and got nervous around other drow thinking they might realize she was weak and replace her. Cute, until you rememb

>>52583883
I pat her on the head.

>>52591996
>Implying
If Vietnam was any indication it's going to be a long two and half decades. At least we're almost half way through.

>>52592179
Accidently posted somehow.

I was going to say Cute, until you remember she probably carves up babies every other week for an insane demon spider goddess.

>>52592179
>>There are also a few drow in the novels who lacked a thirst for power, and were simply content with their lives. Not good, or even neutral, but content.
A few select individuals are poor representation for an entire society.

>>52592213
>content spider god priestess
>DROW
I want to see a charismatic rogue or bard introduce her to some real "contentment"

>>52592206
You lost me.

>>52588368
>chaotic good
>slavery
What the actual fuck, Gygax?

>>52584666
>>52588350
>>52588351
>BBEG
>What did he mean by this?
Anon, it's quite clear, from the usage of that term it mean's that he's retarded.

>>52592305
American politics are the most bonkers in the States they've ever been since 'Nam. Politics didn't become sane in America until probably the 90sish, 30 years after 'Nam. Politics started getting zany again after 9/11 until we reached Obama era "SJW!" derails every which way. Now it's the American Liberals' turn to be assblasted, 15 years later after 9/11.

15/30 is 1/2. We're about half way through. If Vietnam is any indication.

>>52592265
Which is why I said a few.

It's just worth pointing out that not every single drow, or even every single female drow of noble blood in a house, is constantly gunning for the person above them. Sometimes you have a goal, and you reach it, and you can only get away with so many assassination attempts.

Another thing to add, drow nobles from conquered houses are often adopted by the victor. Sometimes they quietly seek revenge, sometimes they look at things more pragmatically and just try to watch their backs and accept their new lot. Some become unwilling servants/bodyguards/agents and hope to be liberated or escape in some fashion some day.

>>52592301
Someone of her stature probably owns a few of those already.

>>52592309
that Gygax, for all he's lauded for, was a massive fuck up when it comes to how his alignment system works

>>52591968
>that
>edgy

What happened that made roleplayers such babies?

>>52592309
Slavery is a general term and in the broadest sense possible just means "force someone to live a certain specific way". How many times in media have you seen the good guy have a powerless formerly bad guy forcibly tag along temporarily and try to show them the error of their ways?
You could say that's slavery, and nobody thinks it's very evil.

>>52592451
>owns a few already.
Probably, just not hero tier " All characters of specified gender within X feet become enamored with caster and lose the ability to equip any item to the leg slot ( Any item currently in this spot is dropped)

>>52592309
Didn't he also say the people who did the crusades in real life would be lawful good or something along those lines?

>>52592521
>How many times in media have you seen the good guy have a powerless formerly bad guy forcibly tag along temporarily and try to show them the error of their ways?
My favorite example of this is Yuppie Indentured Servant.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cPwkWUZWHrE

>>52592513

Edgelord became a buzzword.

>>52592540
Now that I think of it it wouldn't be the first time a drow got dicked by a surfacer and ended up good. If any drow could possibly be dicked to good it might as well be the one who is capable of understanding the mere concept of settling down and being happy after obtaining your goals.

>>52591839
The structure of drow society comes from the idea of the 60-70 that twists evolution's "survival of the fittest" theory and attempts to apply it to a fictional society to serve as the reason why the individuals of said society are so badass. They have to be the most absolute badasses to survive because if they are weak they will be culled.

The members of said society are supposed to be so badass because they survived in an environment that is extremely hostile, even to the levels of absurdity. This logic might make sense on the surface level but misses the important detail that a society is ultimately formed with the goal of protecting itself and its members against the dangers of the outside world because individually the members of the society are weaker but united they are stronger. The dangers of the outside world can be anything from basic environmental hazards like cold weather, to securing supplies to sate the needs of its members (food, shelter etc.) to other dangers like animals or rival societies. A society where its own members pose the number one threat to each other fails at the basic concept working together to become stronger instead of being weaker individually.

It also misinterprets evolution, evolution is not just about that only the biggest baddest individual in the group who gets to pass on their genes to produce even bigger and badder offsprings. First evolution has an inherent randomness to it due to genetics and due to the constantly changing traits that define what is needed to be the fittest.

>>52592684
I think evolution goes out the window when you have a goddess whose portfolio includes an entire race and she could mutate you into a giant spider monster by snapping her fingers if you belong to that race.

A lot of their magic shit comes from crazy weird underdark radiation too.

>>52592799
Drow society is so fucked SPECIFICALLY BECAUSE lolth keeps sticking her fingers into it and keeping it objectively shit.
The real question is if it's better than communism or not It's not

>>52592540
... I love how nobody made a comment on the spell that literally results in panty dropping...

>>52584324
>hur dur I find the need to inject politics into everything I do.
Literally the worst type of person to role play with or play dnd

>>52587058
Why was his theme so good?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UxzMCZwA6CE

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>>52592799
I know right? I was merely trying to explain the background logic on why it was written the way it is. This is why Drow society only works because Lolth is babysitting it 24/7 and because magic.

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>>52584064
>That filename
She doesn't smile though. You know what that means!

>>52592949
>tfw no /fit/, shorthaired dark elf tomboy gf who wants to shoot hoops with you

>>52586027
>having strong opinions over genres of japanese cartoons

Yeah, no. You probably never leave the basement.

>>52586132
Please lewd the dragons?

>>52585667
>Oh, then you're under arrest for bestiality

>>52584084
>Not stuffing the body and fucking it in front of her everyday so she thinks it's normal.
It's almost like being raised by gay men, except one is much more stoic than the other.

>>52592445
America hasn't been this loopy since the 70s. The similarities between now and the 70s are just surreal. And here I was hoping the 2010's would've been like the 80s.

>>52587058
Goddamn nostalgia.

>>52592549
Are you >emblying...

that they aren't?

>>52587202
I want to fuck her puberty

>>52593272
>The similarities between now and the 70s are just surreal.
Care to elaborate to a non-American with only the vaguest understanding of the 'Nam war?

>>52587714
whew boy those thighs are T H I C C as fuck

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>>52587202
>I wait for the day where she reaches puberty tho.
That's the spirit!

>>52583883
I would sell it to the next brothel

>>52584804
what about a judge?

>>52593438
He's not above the law, he is the law.

>>52592331
how so? It's a fairly innocuous and useful term.

>>52593184
Depends which state you're in.

>>52593351
The end of the 60s (culturally) is usually attributed the Manson Family murders. The late 60s to early 70s had an absurd amount of cases of bombings and domestic terrorism. You had radical left-wing groups like Weatherman, Symbionese Liberation Army, Puerto Rican independence group FALN (who was very likely backed by Cuba), and radical black liberation groups bombing police stations, government buildings, robbing banks because they believed the revolution was fucking nigh.

So a lot of politicians ran on platforms of returning law and order back to America, which is why mandatory sentencing and minimum sentences are thing even today. Because back then, citizens were tired of violent criminal acts, and because it was a first offense, the culprit would be out on the streets within a year or so. It's also where you started seeing harsher sentences for drug posession (which was expanded in the War on Drugs in the 80s), because that was how a lot of these groups were funding their activities. Also you saw the increased militarization of police forces to deal with increasingly well-equipped criminals.

It's long topic, and I've probably oversimplified things, but that's the gist of it.

>>52583883
Could I spare the dragon for protecting that treasure ...

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>>52588368
So what the fuck is the difference between Lawful Good and Lawful Evil then?
It's not the senseless murder of noncombatants. It's not needless torture, or imprisoning sapient beings and reducing them to property, or needless torture. It's not fucking GENOCIDE
Is there Lawful Good rape? If you defeat the evil sorceress, is it Just to cut out her tongue so she can't cast evil spells anymore, and keep her as a cumdumpster for righteousness?
How about bestiality? Arranged child marriages?

Is the only difference between Good and Evil how much you act for personal benefit within your own code of ethics?

>>52593732
So it all goes back to leftists, blacks and immigrants ruining everything.

>>52593853
>Is there Lawful Good rape? If you defeat the evil sorceress, is it Just to cut out her tongue so she can't cast evil spells anymore, and keep her as a cumdumpster for righteousness?
Well, if we assume the children born from that rape inherit her magical potential and can be raised to be good, it could be considered eugenics that strengthens the next generation of guardians of good and law. In that case evil sorceresses should constantly be raped, impregnated and forced to give birth until they die.

>>52591336
As of late /d/ is for vore. Like holy shit it's fucking everywhere.

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>>52593853

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>>52585935
>Or maybe he was wondering why you would ban a man before throwing him out of a thread?

>>52585935
>Was getting wood part of your plan?

>>52593949
Mercy is the avoidance of needless suffering - it is not the opposite of justice,it is a method of of its implementation

mercy is the difference between a lethal injection and hanging drawing and quartering

>>52583883
I can probably get money for that

>>52593874
It wasn't really an immigrant problem back then, if you're referring to FALN. Just radical leftist independence-types. They'd actually be around for a while at that point. They bombed Congress back in the 50s and tried to assassinate Truman when he was still president. The crazy thing was when they finally nailed them in the 70s, a lot of them were pardoned by Bill Clinton (possibly to curry favor with New York's Puerto Rican American population in anticipation for Hillary's Senate run). And the big guy behind the bombings (Oscar Rivera) was actually pardoned by Obama just as he left office.

>>52593949
Anon, this man! He is made out of straw!

>>52593853
>Lawful
They both believe in a system that will successfully work their ideals.
>Good
For the benefit of the people. We need to abolish the evil laws, destroy that bandit camp, and save the princess for the good of the people.
>Evil
For moustache-twirling profit. Not really. Your specific interests benefit. Remove that law, and it's not illegal to do X; that bandit camp stole my magic ring, bring them to "justice"; if I save the princess, I can get a sample of her blood to complete the ritual.

etc.
Evil doesn't mean 'destroy the world' and good doesn't mean ivory towers and anti-undead fields.
Evil can have friends, good can be a dick.

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>>52593949
Mr A is based.

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>>52583883
Daughter to some, Dragon onahole to others
Guess she's good as a dutch wife till the party get's into town. Would take a load off the party's pack mule/meat toilet centaur.
http://nijie.info/view_popup.php?id=204494

>>52593853
this http://bastiat.org/en/the_law.html
it comes down to socialism and liberty. legal plunder or the defense of persons, property, and liberty.

>>52593881
You only need to rape her once to cut off her magic in some settings. either way slavery isn't lawful good.
also pretty sure evil is an inherit disposition, those children would be neutral at best

>>52594173
>to have any sympathy fora killer is an insult to the victim

what utter nonsense, just because someone commits a crime doesent mean that you get to do a similar act to them - they will get their punishment through due process.

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>>52584324
>Derailing the thread with /pol/-b8 this early on
You must learn patience, young grasshopper.

>>52594237
>You only need to rape her once to cut off her magic in some settings.
W-what settings?

>>52584324
>leaving any members of a sapient race alive when it's not your race
Nigger, literally everyone agrees that this is the wrong thing to do.

>>52594338
wat, are you suggesting everyone agrees that they must commit genocide on everyone else?

>>52592549
The first crusade at least, the following ones lean neutral good or lawful neutral.

>>52594331
Kuroinu and Vox Day's fantasy novels apparently.
I think in Maria the Virgin Witch she was in danger of having her power raped away.

>>52583883
Slightly inconvenient to transport alive, but worth the trouble. No complaint here, we still got our treasure.

ITT: CE pretend they are LG

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>>52594248
Man. You're so brave for having sympathy for murderers and rapists. Team GoodGuy for sure. ;)

Just remember that someone else will always do all the dirty work of punishing the criminal for you, so you don't have to do all that meanie mean stuff, and can stay on team GoodGuy without any of the responsibility. Hurray!!!1!

>>52593991
>mercy is the difference between a lethal injection and hanging drawing and quartering

You say that like lethal injection doesn't have 230% higher failure rate than hanging in the U.S.

Look up Clayton Lockett and tell me that's mercy.

>>52594428
Communists?

>>52594349
This is what Colonialists actually believe

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>>52594459
"boy you sure know my position well"

if someone is sentenced to death in a court of law i would gladly pull the trigger myself - that doesn't mean i can still view them as a human or that i cant emphasize or feel sympathy for them if the circumstances are right

>>52594459
Yes... tell me more about how my idealism is naive and a sign of my own cowardice and fear as opposed to the superiority I try to portray it as.

>>52594494
>>leaving any members of a sapient race alive when it's not your race
>Nigger, literally everyone agrees that this is the wrong thing to do.

how is this not suggesting that everyone want to commit genocide

>>52594490
dipshits, so yes kinda

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>>52594237
His chub lolis look fantastically soft

>>52594173
Mr A is problematic in that an aggressor is often a victim in some regard. By completely forming a black-white contrast it creates a scenario of absolutes.

Imagine if Mr A was deceived by a 'victim' making him take out his brand of justice on the 'aggressor' when in fact the believed acting party had done nothing wrong. Does Mr A blame himself or the 'victim'? Is he willing to treat himself to the same 'justice' he's had for his aggressors or will he wash his hands of it and simply put that justice on the 'victim'?

Mr A as a character could actually be quite interesting when grey inevitably mixes its way into his equation. If the writer had self awareness.

>>52586625
Black dragons spit acid. I wouldn't put my hands anywhere near their mouth, if I were you.

>>52583883
Priceless my ass.
Female dragonspawn sell well on the markets.
Especially young enough to train.

>>52594237
>evil is an inherit disposition

If you mean inherited, probably. In most cases they get it from somewhere

If you meant inherent though, i'd say no. Most personality traits, evil ones included, are a reaction to stimuli, not any in-built system.

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>>52594521
>>52594530
There is only the Earned and the Unearned.
If someone earns punishment through their actions, the deserve the punishment. It is the just consequence.

By harboring sympathies for the condemned is the path to weakness and dereliction of justice, which is an insult and theft from the victim. However it is only our actions which count, and if you can make the conscious choice of good and justice, overcoming your urges to cheat the victim of justice to soothe your personal guilt, then you're hero.

We are naturally empathetic beings, it is one of our greatest strengths as humans. But to let our natural sympathies, which act to discourage violence against each other in normal life, hold us back from enacting justice on behalf of the victim, is to be complicit to the crime through weakness.

>>52594813
>problematic
>aggressor is the victim
>no black and white
Christ, you're a fucking stereotype.
I have no doubt, Mr. A would hold himself to his own standards, if he committed violence on the basis of being misinformed.

>>52595060
And what stereotype am I anon?

Mr A has bent his standards before, even as a walking talking embodiment of absolutism. Even as an absolute harbinger of retribution he has sided with Restitution. There are holes in him. Those actually make him interesting as a character than a walking ideological sounbox.

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>>52585179
We're all knights, bro.

>>52588094
We don't have time to sit down and spend weeks or months doing armchair psychology repair on a baby dragon. We got adventurer things to do!

>>52593853
>not collecting every enemy you fight to join your growing harem in an attempt to righteously fuck the evil out of them
what are you, some kind of low test knave?

>>52595330
Lead by example then

>>52588249
I like the concept of a dragon so old that his concept of what is valuable is entirely different to most people

maybe he keeps first edition books in languages that are thousands of years dead

maybe he keeps letters written between nobles of civilizations that are lost to time

Maybe he keeps Erotic Vases and friezes from species that only an outer being could understand

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>>52583883
Or even twins?

>>52594795
Found the magical realm pedophile pervert.

>>52595792
oh my god. you're right. I didn't notice before you pointed it out. Well done you. 10/10. Gold stars 4 u.

>>52595511
To be fair, i know of only one knight with such righteous sexual prowess.

>>52595949
and who might be such a paragon of penile prowess?

>>52595592
But all of those would probably be super valuable to the adventurers should they find the right buyer.

>>52596057
what if the only right buyer is the dragon who owns them.

>>52596032
the crusader in green with the sharkiest of teeth, of course.

>>52596077

You're telling me the only people that are interested in these absurdly rare archaeological artifacts is that dragon? Like there isn't some powerful wizard university or hell just another antiquarian dragon anywhere?

>>52596130
Well, for the first, nobody but the dragon can understand the language, so who would buy it?
For the second, nobody would buy them because if there's no record of the civilisations anyone could just say you made them up.
For the third, nobody but an outer being would buy them, and they are notoriously difficult to sell and ship to, considering the distance.

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>>52594530
Read for Mr.A, anon.
The world is a very black and white place

>>52597403
>If I draw this guy dancing on a line between good and evil nobody will pay attention to my blatant strawmanning in this paragraph.
>Haha, look at him dance.

>>52597403
Eh Mr.A really isn't my type. I'm into degradation, not a lecture.

>>52585074
If she's young enough that she doesn't remember it won't really matter.

Who do you think she'll consider her real father, the guy who raised her for as long as she can remember, or the murderous asshole who happened to sire her?

>>52597803
and when the guy who raised her for as long as she can remember IS the murderous asshole who killed her real dad, whom she knows nothing about?

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>>52584324
Far-right here
Would adopt dragon

>>52595330
You could always sell her for a high price to a holy order with the time and resources to properly benefit from a MOTHER FUCKING DRAGON.

>>52597969
It all depends on how you break it to her. Never keep it a secret, as soon as she asks about why she doesn't look like you, or what a dragon is, or how babies are made, explain to her that her biodad was a bad person and that's why you had to raise her. If you do it early enough she won't realize that there's anything to be upset at you about. If she does get upset, she'll be young enough that you can handle it. By the time she gets older you will have indoctrinated her enough that she understands and accepts what you did.

>>52583883
>Be playing evil character

No treasure? Okay. I polymorph the dragon's daughter into a normal human and load her up with curses, then leave.

>>52598393
i was with you till
>load her up with curses

Why?

>>52595592
That's exactly the shit Orium dragons collect.

>>52598480
To maximize the problem as much as possible for the dragon, of course. Not necessarily really terrible, painful curses, but curses of weakness. The goal is to take as much power away from the dragon's offspring as possible so that you have this powerful parent whose child will grow up comparatively helpless.

>>52598772
okay, now riddle me this. What stops him from just uncursing the kid and undoing the polymorph when you leave. Its a god damned dragon. Its way more magical on average than you are.

>>52598788
I of course considered the scenario to be one where you are capable of effectively robbing a dragon. Whether that means your skill level is high enough to sneak around it, or you were powerful enough to subdue it even temporarily, maybe that dragon won't have such an easy time undoing your spells.