EDH/Commander General

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>>52581508
>Which control-based commander is your favorite?
Well that question could go a variety of ways since there is different methods of control such as Ruric, Thar Unbowed being about punishment but Dralnu, Lich Lord being about recurring spells.

All things aside, Queen Marchesa.

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How does /tg/ feel about Hapatra? It seems like there could be a lot of cool synergies with her.

I just wish she had deathtouch and was a naga.

>>52581646
She's the commander I needed. I already wanted to make Blowfly/Nest/Flourishing combo work and she functions as a command zone Nest.

>>52581646
Yeah, deathtouch or trample could go a long way toward making her a lot better. But stuff like Contagion Engine, any infect creatures, or that new Pit of Scarabs card could be pretty cool with her. I'll probably try brewing something up once the set comes out

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>>52581508
>playing 6 man edh game
>5c chaos player plays eye of the storm
>ok this isn't so bad yet
>wheel deck makes everyone wheel
>he ends his turn
>chaos fag tells the wheel guy thanks
>chaos player then plays hive mind
>nobody knows what the fuck is going on anymore
>mfw

How much fast mana do you guys think would make Paradoxical Outcome a sizeable draw spell? Currently running the following fast mana:
>Chrome Mox
>Mox Diamond
>Mox Opal
>Mox Diamond
>Mana Crypt
>Mana Vault
>Sol Ring
In addition to a bunch more rocks. I've also cast it to save a key permanent from removal, which is sweet.

>>52581867
Grim Monolith

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Post 'em!

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1drop ramp boys ww@

is it worth including fellwar stone and exotic orchard in sakashima? i worry about hosing myself if i steal a deathrite shaman or something.

>>52581646
she is pretty good, seems like the deck will just be generic golgari though

So I ended up paying 9 eurobucks for a lotus bloom. Because this might be my last chance to get it at a single digit price anywhere. Fucking kikes raaagh

>>52582030
What would you even use it for? Seems good in Daretti but not really a good fit anywhere else

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>>52581911
I am simple man.

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>>52581911
Dralnu is getting an extensive overhaul via a Doomsday/bettor tutor package and some Fork effects for the big spells

Made a Baral list, seems pretty good so far
http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/75-of-baral/

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I need help EDHG

I'm building a 1984 theme deck with Nebuchadnezzar as the commander

I need as many cards that abuse lookin at hands, forcing constant discard, and making discard hurt as possible.
I got telepathy, zurs weirding, seers vision , and bottomless pit type enchantments

I want to have a huge hand while my enemies have nothing, and I want to slowly grind my enemies down with cards like "the rack"

Anyone have any ideas?
Thanks in advance!

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>>52581726
>>52581765
>Contagion Engine
>Contagion Clasp
>Nest of Scarabs
>Blowfly Infestation
>Doubling Season
>Black Sun's Zenith
>Carnifex Demon
>Crumbling Ashes
>Flourishing Defenses
>Fume Spitter
>Grim Poppet
>Incremental Blight
>Mike/Persist combo
>Wickerbough Elder
>Channeler Initiate
>Necroskitter
>Quilspike/Druid/Ooze combo
>Seshiro the Anointed

Any spicy tech I'm missing?

>>52582046
Hidetsugu, to set off the combo faster. Just this week I've dropped 50 eurobucks on cards because they might rise rapidly. Feels bad man

>>52582231
The untap skipping kamigawa snek will work well with her

>>52582248
Which cards? I'm probably gonna buy some shit tomorrow

>>52582114
You seem very cool, how else does dralnu win, other than rise from the tides?

>>52581965
>no Birds
>no Utopia Sprawl
>Joraga
Shit.

>>52582392
Recently got a carpet of flowers, nu-selvala and biorhythm shaman. All are already steadily rising. Also found a cheap Top, Paradox Engine and Winter Orb so there's that

>>52582424
Blow up everyone's spells and creatures until they scoop in frustration
LabMan is in here too
Soon there will be a couple Doomsday piles to better facilitate LabMan
There's the classic Coffers-Urborg-Exsanguiate
One time I managed to Quicken an Army of the Damned into a Twincast and slap the shit out of everyone late-game

Most of the time it's a Fun Police deck. Me and the Shattergang player have a buddy cop relationship unless we're the only ones left

>>52581768
Sounds like a quick way to draw out anyone without an oldrazi to discard, because after two instant or sorcery spells everyone will have drawn 84 cards from 12x wheels.

>>52582433
I'm not that guy, but I think Joraga is better than Birds or Sprawl if he's in mono green.

T1 land, Joraga -> T2, land, level up, rampant or something -> T3 land into 6 mana is pretty good

>>52582231
There's also Midnight Banshee, but since it's replaces all your snakes during your upkeep you wouldn't be able to attack with them. Then again, maybe you don't care about attacking?

>As foretold is going for 20 bucks
Damn. That seems really steep for a card that is mostly going to be seeing play in edh over competitive formats when people learn it isn't fast enough.

>>52582231
Also, If you want to have a laugh, put in both Thelon's Chant and Tourach's Chant.

>>52583033
So wait for it to release and not get played.

>>52581646
She's combo potential, (small and gradual) creature removal, token generation and a cheap commander all in one package. Love her.

>>52583047
Hapatra reads "when you" place a -1/-1 counter.

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>>52582188
>Pic Related
>Urza's Glasses
>Telepathy

Go to gatherer and look for the basic phrase look at/reveal hand.

>>52583113
Are you not going to be playing forests and swamps in a green/black deck?

I never said it was good...

>>52582846
im in monogreen

>>52583113
>>52581646

When does "when you" apply? Would you get the snakes If carnifex demon killed something with -1/-1 counters?

>>52581646
another Golgari commander, Golgari didn't need her but could be fun.

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Been trying this on xmage, any suggestions to make this spicier?

I've been trying to find a good R or G tutor for soceries/instants

http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/goblin-parade-1/

>>52581768
How do those cards work?
Would hive mind copy the cards exiled by eye of the storm and would eye of the storm exile the copies made by hive mind?

Is Chainer good for mono black resurrection or is there a better commander?

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>>52581867
>Went to Gamestore a city away from home
>Some guys I played with a while back wanted me to join them
>Left my Commander Decks because I was coming back from classes
>One of the guys let me borrow his Gahiji deck like a trooper
>Idon'tknowwhatI'mdoing.dec
>Same guy played $2000 worth of cards that he bought with his tax return and saved money
>Cards were graded and shit too, had to use proxies to not damage the cards
>Start the game and goes to turn 1
>Dude plays mishra's workshop, casts grim monolith and mox diamond into paradox engine
>Holyfuckingshit.dec
>He had all masterpieces too, shit was cash
>Don't know what the fuck was going on the whole game
>Everyone was astonished about hte turn 1, to the point where we were laughing
>His turn two was casting sculpting steel on Paradox Enigne
>He casted Krenko and Kiki Jiki
>Shit was going down
>Until we realized that Paradox Engine Was Legendary
>MFW

>>52583328
First: Yes, if you control both, you may stack them as you choose.
Second: Hive Mind does not cast copies. Eye of the Storm casts copies of the spell, but Eye of the Storm can only trigger on spell cards.

If Eye of the Storm resolves first, the spell card is exiled. Then, copies of each of the cards exiled by EotS may be cast. Each copied spell cast this way will trigger Hive Mind and be copied for each player. When all of these Hive Mind triggers are resolved, the original Hive Mind trigger will resolve, creating copies of the spell which started the chain.

If Hive Mind resolves first, each player copies the spell. Then, after the copies resolve but before the original spell (the spell card) resolves, EotS will exile it. Then, copies of each of the cards exiled by EotS may be cast, each copied spell triggering Hive Mind. Finally, the original spell to start the chain will resolve.


from: http://www.mtgsalvation.com/forums/magic-fundamentals/magic-rulings/magic-rulings-archives/271237-eye-of-the-storm-and-hive-mind

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Trying to see what cards I can do straight upgrades on in my Atraxa deck. Which one do you prefer /edh/?

Unmaking saves me like 2 bucks to put towards a cyclonic rift and has a stronger removal ability with the exile. Vindicate just hits things but I also run a Beast Within in the deck.

>>52582231
>snake
>has not just arms and legs but extra arms
(Just having a giggle)

>>52583227
Yes, so long as you control carnifex demon. (Specifically, control carnifex demon's ability, but it's usually the same.)

The two cards I mentioned have effects that give all players the choice to place counters, so counters your opponents place wouldn't trigger Hapatra.

>>52583892
The Orochi would like a word with you...

>>52583888
>vindicate
>"upgrade"
Sorcery speed makes Vindicate far less useful. Anguished Unmaking is by far the best one there.

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my play group is losing their fucking minds over Kefnet swearing up and down that it's going to be an extremely good card for EDH. I tell them I'm unimpressed and they start trying to gang up on me about it. So the real question would be how would you go about slapping it down to prove a point?

>>52584030
It's pretty much just an indestructible permanent that reads 3U: draw a card, so yeah, it's got its place in plenty of blue decks but it won't redefine the format.

>>52584030
Amonkhet gods are still creatures even when you're not satisfying their requirements so any degree of creature exile gets rid of them.

>>52584060

Could make the green one interesting if there is an in-set source of repeatable fight. After all, fighting isn't attacking or blocking.

>>52584030
Don't forget that if you play Kefnet on turn 3 you'll very likely have 7 cards in your hand.
An indestructible flying 5/5 creature for just 3 mana on turn 3 is pretty great.

It's not incredible, but it's definitely not as bad as /tg/ makes it out to be.

>>52584024

Idk man, being able to hit lands is very very strong

>>52584103
Thing is my playgroup acts like this thing is going to be huge for any Ux and doesn't seem to understand why I'm not impressed

>>52584131
Your group is not playing enough good removal then.

Song of the Dryads, Lignify, Darksteel mutation, Swords, Path are all serious cards once Gods start becoming a usual thing in your group.

>>52582188
Use Sen triplets instead, literally controlling your opponent's ideas. Hell, the triplets could even stand for the three slogans if you want to think of it like that. It's also better with telepathy style cards.

Is Lovisa Coldeyes just beatdown potential or is there more to her than that?
What's your experience playing with or against her?

>>52584030
I guess your playgroup is entirely composed of Timmies that only play Creatures: The Tappening and nothing else

>>52584446
The opposite really, I just think they're going absolutely retarded on this one.

Yahenni sac spam is the only other player who doesn't really care, but there's a Narset, Thalia, and Nekusar

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so

any decks?

>>52585036
erebos big black mana deck where you already run baneful omen and sorin's vengeance

>>52585036
Just awful.

>>52585036
is that supposed to be Gideon?

Are we sure we haven't gotten a shapshifter planeswalker yet?

>>52585036
Archfiend of depravity works better imo

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Guys if I have Temur Ascendancy on the field and cast something like insurrection, does it trigger?
Do the creatures count as entering under my control?

Also if i exile I creature I stole with Yasova with Conjurers Closet, does it get back to me?
And how does Bazaar Trader interact with all this?

I'm building a Yasova EDH deck, any help would be appreciated.

>>52585191

>Guys if I have Temur Ascendancy on the field and cast something like insurrection, does it trigger?
Do the creatures count as entering under my control?

No; the creatures aren't entering the battlefield since they're already on the battlefield; they just change controllers.

>Also if i exile I creature I stole with Yasova with Conjurers Closet, does it get back to me?

Yep, the creature is now under your control permanently!

>...

Not sure what you're asking about with Bazaar Trader.

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>>52585224

Thanks! Bazaar Trader supposedly lets me keep something I stole for one turn forever??

>>52585234
Ex Yasova player here.

Yes. Yes it does. You give control of the stolen creature to yourself.

>>52585407

Great! Any tips for playing with Yasova? She looks super fun to pilot.

I just bought the average Yasova deck EDHREC generates and I'm not sure what to expect, is she better for multiplayer or 1 vs 1?

https://edhrec.com/decks/yasova-dragonclaw

>no matter what I set out to build, it eventually turns into some kind of staxx and my playgroup hates it

Anyone else /that guy/?

>>52585653

I am

>This card looks cool
>But I guess spot removal here would be more useful
>Also let's include an armageddon, I can drop it after I wrath the board

But my playgroup plays combo, so fuck them.

>>52585680
>plays combo
so does mine, but everyone always hates the stax and MLD anyway.

>oh im running a token producer
>may as well add in smokestacks
>well while were at it...
>???
>another stacks deck

My voltron angel tribal Atraxa is now staxxx'd and Im not sure at what point it happened.

>>52585704

Atraxa infect is much more lethal, trust me

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>>52581911
I'll remake a control deck some day, I swear!

>>52585036
No. This is a perfect example of a garbage mythic. Unless there will be reprint of Curse of Misfortunes or something similar, this shitty card won't even be played in standard.

>>52585738
Already did that, but thought skittles or the UG experience guy were better for quick infect ko's. Using her proliferate to keep combos like prism+stasis seemed much more suited. But there is still infect of course :^)

>>52585738
Artaxa infect is a bad meme deck. Just play Skittles or Mimeoplasm if you want to play proper infect. Atraxa gives nothing meaningful to infect Skittles doesn't already have. Having a consistent infect source in zone is pretty damn important thing for such a bad strategy.

>>52581646
they need to stop giving golgari more shit and show some love to simic and other stuff jeskai

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>>52581911

>"Approach of the Second Sun"
>6W
>Sorcery

>If Approach of the Second Sun was cast from your hand and you cast another spell named Approach of the Second Sun this game, you win the game. If not, you gain 7 life and put Approach of the Second Sun back into your library as the 7th card from the top.

>you win the game

>>52584030
its basically guaranteed card draw which is cool but thats about it. there is cheaper card draw in blue though

>>52585914
Mediocre at best. The "cast" clause kills it, and realistically, only oloro could handle such a dead weight card the first time you cast it. Literally worse felidar sovereign.

>>52581911

>Kruphix
Counter, get mana, play big creatures, win the game

>Zurgo Helmsmasher
Voltron, Boardwipes, double strike enablers

>Anafenza, the Foremost
Still building.

>>52585897
>the two most built EDH decks of all time
>all of your decks instantly lose to hate or interaction
People like you ruin this format.

>>52585946
>The "cast" clause kills it
How come? Even if both instances are countered you still win the game. It's an on cast trigger if this translation is correct, right?

>>52585914
>it's just a Rare
>Demonic Consultation instantly grabs it
>as does any wheel

>>52586019
Stop posting with a trip if you're not going to learn how the game works after years of fucking playing it.

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so does this go into reanimator decks like meren?

>>52586006
sorry i dont play the game in a way that you approve anon, good thing you cant stop me ;)

>>52586006
i bet tutoring combo win the same way every time stuff that you probably play is soooooo much better

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What can I do against Prossh?

Other combo commanders are easy to kill like Breya if you use Stony Silence, but Prossh? The tokens enter even if you counter that fucker, it can kill you soooooo fast.

>>52586046
Self-mill and another reanimator trigger each turn is nice, I would run her, at least to have a bit of variance from other Meren decks.

>>52586039
At least the first cast doesn't need to go through to make the second work. I'm not sure about the second. Also eat a dick, if people don't want the "/tg/ is bad at magic" meme to propagate they should help each other out with rules misunderstandings.

>>52586046
>5 mana Reanimate
>5 mana Animate Dead
>5 mana Necromancy
>5 mana Dance of the Dead
>5 mana Dread Return
Slots right into your upgraded precon.

>>52586097
Torpor Orb
Hushwing Gryff

>>52586072
>>52586055
If you're going to samefag at least don't be the only two posts in the entire thread to drop capitalization and punctuation.

>>52586019
The first spell has to resolve, the second wins you the game when cast (or rather, casting the second one creates a trigger that, when it resolves, wins you the game).

However, the other anon is clearly a complete douchebag who only lives to complain and make others' lives miserable.

>>52586039
That's brollective, fuck off man he's a cool guy.

>>52586019
You win on the second cast trigger, but I think it's implying the first needs to stick for its whole activation.

>>52586108
You fuck off, you contribute nothing to these threads yet constantly ask questions and still have the nerve to name yourself.

>>52586128

Torport orb can only stop Purphoros, which is okay but not as strong.

The only thing I can think about is Nevermore but if you're not playing White you're fucked.

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>>52586149
>>52586150
>and you cast another spell named Approach of the Second Sun this game
It looks to me it just needs to be cast, hence you could Remand it yourself and recast from hand next turn and win.

>>52586157
>the guy wasting thread cap on calling out a trip because he's posting about the game and nothing else claims I'm wasting space
>mfw

>>52584030
Play Azure Mage in all your blue decks. Whenever you cast it, point out how many cards you have in your hand.

>>52586157
>this one butthurt cross posting anon who doesn't recognize quality posters
Please lurk more, faggot. If you want to talk about Magic, go for it. Masturbatory shit flinging fits more in modern general.

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Ascension of the Second Sun

If ~ was cast from your hand and you cast another spell named ~ this game, you win the game. If not, you gain 7 life and put ~ back into your library as the 7th card from the top.

is there any mass animate land tech that isn't a super expensive legacy card?

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>>52586219
46 cents

Also see kormus bell

>foodchain went up 40 dollars over the past two days
Well, hang on to those commander staples and buy up Tazri while you can, shit's about to get nutter butters.

>>52586137
this

pro samefags know to alternate between lazy shitposting and the articulate autist who types out every single capital letter and period

>>52586219
Do you want to animate everyone's lands or just yours? There's Natural Affinity and Rude Awakening.

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>>52586219
>>52586228

>>52584030
He's very good for control. You cast him then just use him as a 5/5 to beat face while holding up mana. If there's nothing you need to counter or remove, you use his ability to draw so there's no real downside to playing reactively. He's an Azure Mage and a wincon for 3 mana.

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>>52581911

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building monowhite nahiri tokenspam, looking for more useful cards like pic related

>>52586245
it's an alternative finisher for a child of alara deck. maybe use craterhoof if necessary or get emergency blockers.

>>52586228
>>52586249
looks spicy, thanks

Did you fucks see that 3WW containment priest angel with embalm? Shit looks awful. Who thought a male zombie/mummy angel could be so... blah. Why did they have to make it overcosted AND a 3/4?

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>>52586137
literally what?

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>>52586219

>>52582081
Meloku is the most wholesome control wincon in the format

>>52586364
As MLD then? That green nigga who animates target land paying G might be up your alley, forgot his name. And Natural Affinity for sure, people want to mess with the board, surprise the motherfuckers. Run Titania in that deck to guarantee not being so behind after the wipe.

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>>52585036
How did they fuck up Painful Quandary?

>>52581911

Comp Decks
Jace, Vryn's Prodigy Tier 1
>Comp High Tide

Sydri, Galvanic Genius Tier 2
>Comp midrange combo

Shu Yun, the Silent Tempest Tier 3
>Voltron. Comp in French, Semi-Casual in 4-player

Casual decks:
King Macar, the Gold-Cursed
>Untap Tribal, now almost too good in casual because of Paradox Engine

Kytheon, Hero of Akros
>Soldier Tribal

Noyan Daar, the Roil Shaper
>"Destroy all nonland permanents" tribal

Chandra, Fire of Kaladesh
>Mono-Red Burn. Surprisingly easy to ultimate

Yeva, Nature's Herald
>Mono-green control. It's super bad and I never play it

Ezuri, Claw of Progress
>+1/+1 Counters everywhere
>Out of action as it's missing Doubling Season atm

Saskia, the Unyielding
>Suicide deck, built to choose yourself when you enter. Still WIP

Thassa, God of the Sea
>Mono Blue Stompy. Currently being converted into Isperia Sphinx tribal

>>52586337
The mono white precon actually came with a bunch of decent reactionary spells.
Also Hero of Bladehold.

>>52586402
the idea is to wipe the board and attack with 30-40+ lands while they can't block. for mld i figure i can obliterate + faith's reward/splendid reclamation. def running titania for sure.

>>52586455
>High Tide T1 in multiplayer
>Shu Yun T1 in Duel
What year are you from?

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>>52586494
Hero of Bladehold is great in my deck, pairs well with Crovax, Ascendant Hero. Looking for lesser known fun stuff.
>inb4 Odric XDDDD

>>52586537
Oh right, then Affinity fucks you up actually. Play Awakening that doubles up as ritual if needed.

>>52582114
>Thromok
>Slobad
>Wort
>Godo
>Dralnu
Are you me, anon? All you're missing is Saskia.

>>52581726
Simic decks are better than Golgari decks though, even if most of the commanders are slightly worse.

anyone have any extreme budget tazri allies list? talking like 20-40$

>>52586680
Why bother?

>>52586751
allies are fun

>>52586767
Then you should already have a list in mind.

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Is this any good for EDH????

>>52586821
It's okay.

Is it even possible to make a Phyrexian Only Commander?
What cards do I even add? What Commander?

>>52586821
I think my Kaseto deck will enjoy it.

>>52586848
Probably Atraxa Infect or something

>>52585946
You're dumb. The cast trigger makes this indefinitely better because it doesn't matter if the spell is countered or exiled by means after the 2nd cast, you will still win the game. The spell resolves on cast.

Felidar is okay, but draws you an insurmountable hate and gets removed instantly.

>>52586848
You have like, 10 sets or so worth of Phyrexian cards to work with?

It's going to be awful though.

>>52586881
The "you win" portion of the spell, I mean.

>>52586881
>the spell resolves on cast
/tg/ everyone

>>52586821
>Draw a card or ramp 1UG alternate turns
Yikes

>>52586906
It doesn't need to resolve tho', first instance just needs to be cast; second one too since it puts a trigger when it goes in the pile. We'll have to wait for an official translation though, the text might be wrong.

>>52587288
You are wrong. Stop posting.

>>52586455
Could you post your King Macar list?

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can someone tap out in response to this?

>>52587524
No it has a special clause that makes it resolve immediately.

>>52587288
If it gets countered it goes to your graveyard, not 7th from top of your library. Unless you have spell recursion you've wasted 7 mana.

>>52587565
What the fuck?

>>52587524
Yes, they can, it's essentially useless unless you just want to Mana Short them. Alternatively you can have support for it such as Price of Glory, so they don't tap their lands before you get the chance to.

Note that with Price of Glory, you tapping their lands won't destroy them since you personally are the one tapping them, and it's your own turn.

>>52587566
The catch is you would play this along Remand and friends in EDH or two copies on 60 cards formats. Or Elixir, idk.

>>52587412
My local judge is being a lazy dick and won't answer me on that case, someone should summon gA to try and make sense of the situation.

Also fuck off.

>>52587624
I think it's sarcasm.

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>>52587685
What pisses me off the most is that you're repeatedly posting wrong information in the thread when it would've taken you mere moments to figure out the truth. You're worthless, yet you parade around a trip as if anyone, in their entire lives should ever for an instant care who you are or what you have to say.

Just look at these posts.
>>52587288
>>52586881
>>52586019
They're wrong. You don't understand the rules of the game, not even some of the simplest ones like dictating what a triggered ability is. And yet you continue to post as if you do, actively lowering the quality of this thread.

You could've Googled this, but here you go because spoonfeeding children is apparently a hobby of mine.
>603.1. Triggered abilities have a trigger condition and an effect. They are written as “[When/Whenever/At] [trigger condition or event], [effect].”

So to sum it up. The first cast of Spanish Name does not have to resolve, or to even come from your hand. The second cast however must both resolve and be cast from your hand. When that happens you win the game, unless your opponent controls a Gideon Planeswalker and has his emblem, which they probably do.

While we're here, As Foretold allows you to cast Ancestral Vision and friends.

>>52587815
>>52587685
One of those quotes wasn't you, but the point stands.

>>52585036
I like that it's a curse.

I don't like that it's a durdly 8-turn clock if there's nothing to sac so it doesn't really hurt control, while it only kneecaps one player so control doesn't really want it. Honestly, I'd rather have Nettlevine Blight -- at least if I ramp explosively into Blight its ability to hit lands turns it into "fuck target player"

>>52587815
I concede I kept posting speculation on how the cards works, but only because we don't even know if this is the actual english card text. I did mention it in >>52587288 but whatever.

>You're worthless, yet you parade around a trip as if anyone, in their entire lives should ever for an instant care who you are or what you have to say.
Shit nigga do you think I care about people caring about me in a mongolian glassblowing forum? I just trip because I can, there's nothing about it connected to that. I never got why some anons think that since someone trips necessarily they are narcissistic fucks.

Also yeah people already knew about Foretold's interaction with suspend cards with no CMC, hence Lotus Bloom spiking.

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Can someone explain to me exactly how this card works?


They reveal 3, choose a creature to put into play and then I reveal 3 after or at the same time? Do I get to see what their choice is before I reveal, or before I choose which to put in, or does it happen at the same time?

>>52586218
Anything with the text "You win the game" is moderately interesting.

Anything with a CMC of 7 had better be more than 'moderatley interesting'

On the other hand, it is literally a 1-card instant win I see it being pretty good for those decks in casual metas that just want to cower behind their pillow fort and durdle. Maybe Zedruu can draw enough cards to have it fire in a reasonable timespan?

>>52588092
Also if they don't put a creature card into play do I still reveal? Since it's a "may" on their side, does that end the effect of the card? Maybe I'm over thinking this shit I'm not sure.

>>52588092
You do all actions on all cards in the order they're written.

>>52588115
>Maybe I'm over thinking this shit I'm not sure.
Magic does not follow every convention of the English language. It is rules based.

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>1 camel pushed in kaladesh
>1 camel pushed in amonkhek

wizards are silently creating a hidden tribal deck

people too occupied with snakes/cats tribal

>>52589359
I just want muh sphixes.
>still no sphinx lord

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If I play Yasova's ability with this on the field, do I get to keep the creature forever untill Willbreaker dies?

Why?

>>52590834
Yes
Will breakers ability will trigger, and resolve first. Yasova's ability no longer has a legal target, and does nothing.

>>52590872

ahhh nice

What about bazaar trader? Why can I keep the creature forever with him?

>>52590887
>What about bazaar trader? Why can I keep the creature forever with him?

willbreaker takes over the creature, you control the creature

bazaar's ability overwrites willbreakers ability, you now control it forever

>>52590887
>bazaar trader?
because its ability over-rides willbreaker.

you just now have control

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Does anyone else feel a bit out of place when playing Magic at a local game shop?

I mean, I don't want to be mean but it just seems like the vast majority of Magic players are either horribly overweight, extremely anti-social, legitimately on the spectrum or all of the above. Not to mention the atrocious smell of body odor emitting from these people, and the weird shit they say, and the weird way they play the game, and the extremely strange satisfaction they get out of playing a counter spell or playing a big creature...

I don't know, every time I go into one of those places I start to question what wrong path I took in my preteen years to end up knowing how to play this game. How do I find normal human beings to play magic with? Do they exist?

>>52587524
Note that you can use this as a political card by teaming up with another player and using their lands to take out the biggest threat at the table.

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>>52591075

>>52591075

What kind of store do you go to?

At mine there are some wierd people yeah but most of them are just fine. I don't go much tho, I'd rather play with my normal friends at home while smoking weed.

So yeah find normal friends to play with.

>>52591191
You are the weird people anon.

>>52591191
>mtg with friends at home while smoking weed

You are my soulmate anon

>>52591191
>getting wweed on ur cards
digsgugsting

>>52591191
>Dude, bro.. I play Cancel

>But bro dude, you didn't have any mana open...

>Oh right, my bad dude bro, I'm fugged up nigga swag 420 blaze it

Is this you?

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>>52591344

>Not playing Breya Thopter Sword Combo while high as fuck

free your mind

>>52591400
One of my friends just recently played that against me while I was high as fuck.


Goddamn what a combo

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Will this card see game in EDH?
Looks pretty OP to me

>>52591437

the only way to stop that deck is either stony silence or curse of death's hold or illness in the ranks or torpor orb

it's one of the most broken commander decks with prossh food chain combo

>>52591460
I would like to think so, given how easy it is to pull off, in something like UW.

Anyone worth their salt wouldn't let you get that second cast off though.

>>52591484
UWx is the color of Silence, Grand Arbiter and friends.

So in a deck with two partner commanders... do I need 101 cards or 100? why?

>>52591601
2 commanders

plus 98 cards

it's not rocket science

Can you tap one big creature to crew multiple vehicles?

>>52592303
Stop.

>>52592303
No. Actually big creatures can't crew them at all because of how silly that would look. Can you imagine a world spine wurm in a fleetwheel cruiser, making his way downtown?

It's just ridiculous, and there's no way he could pilot 3 or 4 at once, he doesn't even have hands.

I don't think magic is the right kind of game for you anon.

>>52591400
Can confirm breya is a top teir weedmans deck.

so what are the best commanders for zombie tribal? its okay if its not degenerate as long as its decent. preferably something that allows me to play Rooftop Storm

>>52591075
>Does anyone else feel a bit out of place when playing Magic at a local game shop?

oh yes, most of the time. I started playing with my friends who are not socially inept but then I moved out of town and ever since I've been attending lgss. some people are fine but holy shit, are most of them greasy, fat, awkward human beings. that part of the game is what keeps me from being an addict desu.

if you identify yourself as this kind of person, do not take offense but do something about it. I mean, at least shower and be polite.

>>52593286

I'd say Grimgrin but I don't know shit

>>52593383
>>52593286
We need a good Esper colored zombie tribal legend. Though at this point I'd settle for just B/W.

>>52589359

>pushed

Best commander for a curse deck?

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>all these neat AKH cards I'll try to fit in my decks and inevitably cut

>>52592303
You know the answer to this but you just want us to tell you the bullshit you did last game was copacetic.

>>52594096
Zur seems like the obvious pick.

>>52581508
I was thinking of making a deck with Chaosphere in the centerlight, got suggestions?

One of the funniest ideas I had would be to have several Horsemanship-cards in the deck to add insult to injury.

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>>52594798
Shit, forgot pic.

>>52594798
Predator Flagship is kinda an obvious one.

>>52594975
Oh god that's nasty. I like it

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i need some way to stop control players from messing with my shit in abzan. how's this honky and his cousin grand abolisher? should give me time to pull asceticism.

>>52595727
Only if you pull immortality or hexproof on this motherfucker, because the first spell used after this hits the field is "Doomblade"

>>52585897
I love Krenko because I occasionally play Experiment Kraj. All I need is to snatch a Goblin then I can copy+uptap a bunch of times to mass up Goblins. Always gotta help out the mono red guy in EDH because it gets shit on by Wizards so much.

DOOMSDAY LADS

Do you guys run any other wincons? Or at least backup plans?

>>52596500
Would want to try a Door to Nothingness in a deck, but it's pretty underwhelming in EDH if you don't have untaps ready.

>>52588059
>I don't get why some anons thinking tripping is indicative of narcissism

I think you're an alright guy but tripping by definition is fundamentally narcissistic unless needed by the thread for questing or whatever. There's no reason to have a tripcode unless you want others to know which posts are yours, period.

>>52586821
Depends on your power level. It's mediocre for a meta where the precons (with maybe a bit of tuning) are the measuring stick since it does nothing when it drops and only nets one card the following turn. If it ramped you the next turn instead it's be much better.

>>52586821
>t1 sol ring
>t2 bounty of the luxa
>t3 draw card
>t4 get mana

>>52596500
I run Doomsday in Grenzo, so in addition to winning with Doomsday -> Kiki-Jiki/Zealous, I also run Animate Dead + Worldgorger Dragon as the two main wincons. There's also a few more complicated 3-6 card combo's, but those don't arise nearly as often.

>>52591075
I was supposed to go to a EDH game last night but decided to stay at home and play Nier: Automata. The people out here are the kind of people you're talking about, who are incapable of having a conversation about anything but the game.

But Southern California has the strange subtype of Magic player my friends call the "smug Asian." Fucking Chinese, Japanese, Vietnamese, I don't fucking care, but they're so smug when they play that I have literally walked out of a shop when I see like a dozen Asians. The worst part is all these guys travel from shop to shop in packs, so going to ANY shop means I may have to deal if I want to play.

So. I'm new to the format

I have a Horde of Notions tribal, a Rakdos without legendary eldrazis, a Xenagos without Kiki Jiki combos and a Nath discard-pump ramp deck.

Any tips or decklists to look at?

Also, I have plenty of cards for a boros deck Aurelia, Gisela or Iroas as a commander.

And, I want to build a non-combo Ghave ghuru of spores, any list? thanks

Sincerely yours, aggro timmy

>>52597260
>non-combo Ghave
Sorry dawg but that's impossible. Ghave is a horrifying combo enabler. I tried building Ghave Saproling tribal and you fucking trip over combos you didn't even know were there.

Is there a term or a list for all the card types that get reprinted at least once per set?
Usually theres one angel, one demon, one dragon, etc.
I'd just like to browse the entire list from the beginning

>>52597328
Not really, since there's no way to tell which dragon is "the dragon" or which angel is "the angel" since in a lot of sets, there are multiples.

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>>52591075
Everyone already knows everyone, and I'm not interested in relationships that depend entirely on my willingness to pay the $10-15 entry fee every week.

>>52597287
any good ghave combo list?

Good as in fun. Not as in tutur for a tutor for a creature that tutors and win.

>>52597556
I'm a big fan of Ashnod's and a token/counter doubler, then just making a busload of Saprolings and unloading on someone

>Transform my Meren deck into Mazirek because aristocrats seems more fun
>T2 reassembling skeleton into birthing pod
>Mazirek a few turns later into continuous fleshbags
Man, I'm loving this.

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i'm trying to find a balance for casual play
all the decks i make are either
>too good
>don't do anything

for example
>zada
combos out all the time
>jihoria
does mld and wins
>sram
try and build it casual, but i just get to much value
>try and change the commander to kemba for casual
>deck now does nothing

>doran
deck does nothing, no draw
what's a good commander for me to build that has value
but not too over powered?

>>52591075
i only go for the special set drafts, like conspiracy or modern masters. i usually have a decent amount of fun at those, but i don't usually talk to people very much if it isn't directly MTG related. i recognize most of the guys when i go, and a couple of the players are usually also employees at the location i visit so that's pretty cool. even though i'm usually the only female in the room at them i still fit in well because i'm a fucking degenerate like the rest of them

>>52597836
Use my non cancerous list :^)
http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/welcome-to-a-world-of-chaos/

>>52598122
>wait this seems so fun

Give me some good Black and Green removal spells

>>52595727
Consider: Rule of Law

>>52597836
Casual is how drunk you can be and still win. Stop making challenge decks.

>>52585036
>play Zedruu
>enchant one player
>give to other
>?????
>profit

>>52598605
>Zedruu
>non-B color identity
>?????
>never playing this card in Zedruu

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>>52585165
>is that supposed to be Gideon?
In the back? Looks a bit like his armor, yeah.

Kinda hope he dies this block, just to knock the Gatewatch down about a dozen pegs/to cement Bolas as the best current MTG bad guy.

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>tfw still no Age of Sail plane
>tfw still no Viking/Norse plane (Ice Age don't count)

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>>52598648
>Gideon's superpower is to become indestructible
>set features -1/-1 counters
You might be onto something

>>52598666
Gideon is going to die. He's going to run the Trials of the Gods and fail the last one. The Gatewatch is going to try and "rescue" him or whatever, Bolas is going to personally intervene on the plane as the God-Pharaoh and fuck them up hardcore, resulting in the death of Gideon.

Also Vengeful Pharaoh better get a reprint like god damn

>>52598712
>Ajani was added to the Avengers to replace Beefslab as the monoW walker

>>52598758
I would be pretty OK with Ajani replacing Gideon. He has a fucking grudge to settle with Bolas.

Also Ajani Vengeant is ballertime and I hope we get another one along those lines.

>>52598648
Gideon is the only member of the Gatewatch I actually like, but he'll almost certainly die.

>Gideon doesn't have any ongoing subplots
>Gideon is the getting the most attention this arc
>Gideon is the leader and moral center of the group, making his death especially tragic
>Gideon will be overcoming his tragic past when he defeats a god
>Gideon will be overcoming his only personalty flaw by recognizing that order and brotherly solidarity aren't inherently good
And they're already got a white 'walker replacement with Ajani.

There's no fucking way Gideon survives all these death flags.

>>52598821
Gideon has been dead and retconned for years.

Kytheon's definitely about to bite it, though.

is this the official mtg general? or where do i find it?

>>52598943
There are many. This is the Elder Dragon Highlander/Commander general

Start your own thread, people will likely help

>>52598943
There isn't one. We have different general threads for different MTG formats.

This is the EDH / Commander general.
Modern general: >>52585453
Legacy general: >>52569818

There are also spontaneous MTG threads that pop up whenever a new batch of spoilers are new story content are released.
Here's an example: >>52589494

Use the catalog and Ctrl+F to find what you're looking for fast.

Just in case you don't know, general threads are repetitive cancerous circlejerks. I recommend you ignore them unless you require their specialist knowledge.

>>52599038
>>52599052
thanks

Return to Dominaria after Amonkhet block.

>>52599102
You mean Atlazan.

>>52598226
Maelstrom pulse.
Pernicious deed is probably the best one.

>>52599109
thats after. its the june announcement

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OK EDHG, challenge time

Create a better gatewatch. Try to make one the fans would love and be interested in.

Only rules are:

Need each color at least once.
No overlapping

alternatively, Create the "league of villians" or anti-gatewatch

>>52599200
Are we talking, like, straight Vorthos? Or what the 'walker cards themselves would do in-game?

>>52599220
Let's go vorthos, assume minimal (if any) color shifting.

>>52599200
White, literally just Elspeth
Blue, not represented
Black, an actual Phyrexian, bonus points for making Lil8miana/Gideon esque bants with Elspeth about genociding her planet and killing her family
Red, a dragon
Green, Urza

>>52599200
evil gatewatch
f. tibialt

>>52599200
From a lore perspective, they should have started as friends who spent time together because they genuinely enjoyed each others company.
They should have started off as a group of misfits, adventurous and explorers, but slowly became dedicated hero's over the course of the story. They only officially create the Gatewatch after one of their group is killed (or something).

The point is, they shouldn't just be together out of some sense of circumstantial responsibility. The Gatewatch don't have any shared history or natural chemistry.
They tolerate each others presence because they literally have no other friends. That's not engaging, or interesting, or heartfelt.

As a result, the group-bonding scenes in the lore are very tacky, like the Nissa and Chandra bonding on Kaledesh.
Nissa's internal monologue was straight up saying "we friends now," despite the fact that they'd barely spoken to each other, or interacted with each other, or even had anything in common,
It's incredibly obvious that these characters are only together for meta reasons. Nissa and Chandra are friends because they were the only available mono-colored red or green planeswalkers, so they became auto-includes in the Gatewatch. It's like their friendship is the result of affirmative action.

It's hard for me to care about this group of people when they barely care about each other, and when they do it feels forced and artificial.

I'd be great if the Legion of Doom were the complete opposite of the Gatewatch.
Like, after arriving on a plane the LoD would destroy the natural order of the world for shits and giggles, and then leave before they had to deal with the consequences of their actions.
After every escapade they'd grab a beer together and joke about old times. They're not awkward in each others company and they're not secretly plotting behind each others backs; they don't have any reason to be a team except that they genuinely care for each other.

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>attack with Floral Spuzzem
>wait until inanimate piece of cardboard voices its opinion on which artifact to destroy
>opponent eventually gets sick of your shit and leaves
not sure why people aren't taking advantage of this desu

I want to build a fight deck.

Who would be the best commander?

Ulrich?

>>52600007
Floral Spuzzem is the most secret of tech James Bond.

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who is good for PURE CHAOS
i don't want a win con
i just want to fuck with everything

>>52600250
>Arjun, the Shifting Flame
>Braids, Conjurer Adept
>Karona, False God
>Ruhan of the Fomori
>Gahiji, Honored One (give your opponents free creatures then force them to attack)
>Jhoira of the Ghitu
>Yidris, Maelstrom Wielder

>>52600334
what about norin

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>>52600361
Forgot about him.

>>52593286
gisa and geralt for sure

>>52591460

Seems extremely easy to pull off in Esper

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I just got my mizzix up to 26 exp and drew 40, then got the gg in dual. Is there any combo deck more fun than mizzix jank?

>>52600767
Post list faggot

>>>>52600793
We play with sol rings because we are too lazy to change our multiplayer over to dual commanders banlist. I can make a tapped out if you want it still.

>>52597556
Look up all the thallids, they're fun with Gabe

>>52600824
No one here follows the Duel Commander banlist either, we just pull out our commanders and play them out with whoever is free around.

Post list i want to see a Mizzix list that is jank enough that i can build it.

>>52600914
>I can build it
k....
http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/mizzix-jank-420/

>>52601071
>29 lands

JESUS CHRIST how the fuck

>>52601146
Very powerful

I would like to build EDH for Pharika, God of Affliction. I want to have a constellation theme and good amount of enchantments. Possibly snake tribal subtheme. http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/costellating/ tappedout link included. Looking for advice.

>>52601146
And Im being honest, the deck works and gets many exp fast. Im going to put capsize in probably.

>>52582231
>Quilspike/Druid/Ooze combo
What is this combo?

>>52601252

Quillspike and Devoted Druid to pump up Quillspike infinitely and Necrotic Ooze to copy the abilities once the two other pieces are in the yard

>>52586097
Burning Sands and Aetherflash?

>>52601305
Not to mention Tainted Aether

>>52600250
>i don't want a win con
Kill yourself

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>>52601203
I dunno how you like to play, so here's a broad range of suggestions. I'm afraid I can't offer any advice on the Snake subtheme.

Hex Parasite + Tornado
Hex Parasite, Quest For Renewal, & Seedborn Muse + Freyalise's Winds
Haunted Crossroads + Lurking Predators and/or Call of the Wild
Burgeoning, Exploration, & Gaea's Touch serve one better than Khalni Heart Expedition.
If you want mana ramp sorceries, replace Kodama's Reach and Cultivate with Harrow and Life From the Loam.
Dauthi Embrace (Great fun with Vraska's assassin tokens.)
Grave Pact (You already have Dictate of Erebos, after all.)
Tortured Existence
Greater Good
Lignify
Squandered Resources
Cadaverous Bloom
Insidious Dreams
Gleancrawler
No Rest for the Wicked
Infernal Tribute
Mind Slash
Oversold Cemetery
Gate to Phyrexia
Attrition
Bonds of Mortality
Mirri's Guile
Cryptolith Rite
Diabolic Servitude
Abundance

Hope some of this proves helpful for ya.

>>52586097
You don't. The number of ways to win, fast, with Prossh far outstrip the ways to actually mitigate him.

>>52586219
Life / Death
Natural Emergence
Nature's Revolt

t. Tazri-Zada player

>>52586219
>>52602267
Also, Natural Affinity

>>52585879
>show some love to simic
Anon, no. GU and GUx are the objectively strongest colors in EDH, and I hate having to play against them because they're all the same.
Combo/ramp into infinite mana to combo out, all the time stopping any threats to them easily because they incorporate U, even 3v1.

>>52602304
I play a Kaseto deck that isn't like this though

>>52586573
>that severe degredation of the edge of the Hero of Bladehold edges, especially considering it's the prerelease promo
jesuschristhowhorrifying.jpg

>>52592303
Gideon, Heart of Kiran, other vehicle

>>52587524
Yes, but that's still beneficial.
Either they don't tap out and they can't use their lands and you can, or they do tap out and they can no longer respond to anything you do. (not counting mana rocks / whores)

>>52601402
>tainted æther in play while prossh has gravepact out

>>52597836
Zada and Jhoira are janky enough that people shouldn't bitch about them. Zada requires multiple parts which are wide open to disruption to start the combo and can easily fizzle. Jhoira's very slow without a really great opening hand.

>>52602075
nice

B
Instant
Return target creature from your graveyard to the battlefield, then destroy it.

>>52602515
durr i reanimate avacyn/newlamog/theros gods etc.

>instant
hurr durr i reanimate old emrakul/ulamog in response to shuffle trigger

>>52602573
Old Emrakul isn't indestructible, and if you think protection would stop it from being destroyed, you need to look up what DEBT stands for.

>>52602573
If you used that hypothetical card on a Serra's avatar, would you have to shuffle it into the library from the battlefield? or is there a "change-of-zone" rule that would allow it to stay in play?
Its effect is kind of similar to Emrakul's but phrased differently, so...

>>52602629
Oh yeah, mistook the D for destroy. Still very broken since you can have any of the other creatures in play on turn 2 EoT with nothing but a swamp, the creature and the make-believe card on your starting hand.

>>52602629
Anyway, it would work with Ulamog... or any other indestructible card... or better yet a blightsteel colossus...
I don't really want BR reanimator to swing for 11 poison counters on turn 2, do you?

>>52602674
That's probably the least broken thing you can do in a serious game.

>>52602075
thx for good suggestions :)

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>>52602386
>playing creatures
>in 2010 years after Jesus' birth
I hope you're not serious

I decided to sell my Standard deck (G/R Pummeler) to buy one of the Commander 2016 decks. I never played EDH, so i'm looking for advice on which is the best deck to play (I liked Kynaios a lot, but i didn't look the other lists yet). I don't like to play blue/black, but since it's my first time on a new format, i think it would be interesting to expand my color pie, so any deck type would be appreciated (i just don't want to be a piece of shit with the other players).

Well, i just want a format where i can have fun, and commander looks like it.

>>52602674
It wouldn't work with Blightsteel, jesus christ. Learn what are replacement effects, since that fucker won't hit your grave, unless he somehow loses that ability, which only happens from the battlefield to my knowledge.
Besides, 10 poison counters is enough to kill, you don't need any more.

>>52602871
If we're being serious, I wouldn't pick any of the new ones, but rather anything else from 2013 onwards.
If you're dead set on the new ones though, I would recommend Breya or Yidris.

>>52602910
Indeed, you're right, the colossus doesn't hit the grave. Now tone down the sass.

>>52582188
Got Waste Not?

>>52602931
>If we're being serious, I wouldn't pick any of the new ones, but rather anything else from 2013 onwards.
Why not? The 2016 decks are pretty good.

Is it just that they're too common?

>>52602931
That's unfortunate, what's the problem with the 2016 decks?

My LGS only have Seize Control/Swell The Host/Wade Into Battle from the 2015 Commanders. Which one of these is the most interesting as a first deck?

>>52603036
>>52603045
Mostly the mana bases are awful, Saskia being the worst if I recall.
If you want to play out of the box, Yidris is probably the best, but I'd say that each of them needs somewhat to be tuned.
It really depends on how do you want to play, but I'd pick probably Seize Control or Swell the Host. Boros one is only good for face sitting

q for brago players:
what's your build? stacks? tokens? value?
i'm looking to try something a little different with mine

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I just realized, right now, that of course Wizards is gonna have the Jacestice League kill off Bolas. Even if they are on his favorite plane. Even if he is the all powerful god Pharaoh. Even if he's had these plans in motion for centuries, they're just gonna fucking seal him in a moon and be done with him and pat each other on the back and mover onto the next big bad to imprison in a moon in the name of equality.

fuck ffuck fuck fuck FUCKKK

>>52599200
>Bolas
>Sarkhan
>Tezzeret
>Nahiri could probably be swayed to join in
>Returned!Elspeth

Really, honestly, anything that would make the Gatewatch realize that they maybe weren't the actual gud guys. All they've really done so far is try to fix problems they created (IE, the near-destruction of two planes) because of their lack of foresight.

Plus, Kaladesh, which was pretty disappointing story-wise and just proved that some of their writers probably had evidence of Maro killing a hooker.

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>>52603401
Welcome to New MtG, where the Jacetice League solves all problems and is never in any real peril because that's how stories with continuous main characters always work.
Gatewatch was a mistake, Jace was a mistake, fuck MtG new lore, fuck Wizards.

>>52603101
Thanks!

>>52603045
Mizzix and Ezuri are both good starter decks and up to your preferred play style, but Kalemne is pure trash.

>>52603431
>Gatewatch was a mistake, Jace was a mistake, fuck MtG new lore, fuck Wizards.

I love how the arc of every single set is now gonna be "Wow this person/thing/organization sure is evil and poses a large threat to the PC masses of the particular plane we're on, better seal it in a moon!"

Honestly I'll never get over that.
Emrakul was the Bolas of Eldrazi and then LMAO INTO THE MOON YOU GO DOESN'T MATTER IF YOU LITERALLY EAT REALITY TRY TO EAT A MOON BITCH HHAHAHAHA

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>>52603401
It's a sad day when an artist for MtG tells a better story than the entirety of the lore writing team.
Isobel's story alone is so much better than anything from Kaladesh, Origins, or BFZ, and better than anything in SoI that had any of the Gatewatch in it.
http://www.howardlyon.com/illustration-store/isobel-the-angel

>>52603401
Hour of Devastation is the first set they were able to meaningfully alter based on feedback to the Jacetice League. There is hope yet that they've heard the hate.

>>52603484
>MFW Isobel is so much better than most 'real' characters that I hope she gets a Commander printing that can lead her former, nonlegendary selves in RW Angel Tribal And until then, I can just use Gisela

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>>52603526
>Wizards
>listening to player feedback
Lol, no. They never listen to feedback, they think they're always right and any hate is just "part of the internet"
http://markrosewater.tumblr.com/post/158953269553/did-you-anticipate-some-of-the-negative-criticisms
They idiotically believe that all the hate they get is "the nature of the internet" even when 95% of players stated directly to Wizards and MaRo that they hated the Invocation and Aftermath frames.

Plus, they always go back on what they say. I wouldn't be suprised if they said they listened just to get the players to calm down, and then go back on it and make even MORE Jacetice League shit.

>>52603526
Maro got fucking pissed the last time someone criticized the jacetice league on his blog. Plus, they're making a movie about them, so, I'm guessing they're not going to go away any time soon.

>>52603550
>Gisela for RW Angel
>not MadAvacyn

>>52603568
he recently posted that they intentionally limited their appearance in this set tho

>>52602871
Your question on "the best deck to play" doesn't really fit the format. Absolute play to win is not really the point (build casually, play competitively is what most people hold themselves to).

As for what deck you should build, just think of a legendary with a cool ability, or a bunch of cool interactions and build a deck around them.
For example, when I saw gilt leaf archdruid for the first time I started building a seton druid tribal go wide deck, and am having a lot of fun with it.

>>52603581
MadAvacyn would be lore-fitting.
Gisela is a redhead like Isobel and probably a little better mechanically, though being Boros commanders neither brings much to the table

Decisions, decisions...

>>52602871
c16 out of the box? Eeeeh... avoid Saskia? Yidris and Breya are both commanders with a lot of room to be built up competitively. Breya is better out of the box, but Yidris represents a more unique experience.

There are also the Partners, of which Thrasios is actually fairly competitive, typically paired with Kydele (to keep things in UG and have a little synergy before infinite mana fun times), Tymna (Because CA and getting 4 colors), or Vial Smasher (Because people like Vial Smasher? For real EDH, I don't get it, sure she works in the 20-life bizarro world that's Duel Commander...). However none of the Partner pairs run their deck well to begin with and they're pretty bad access points for the new EDH player.

If you can get an older deck like Mizzix, Meren, Daretti, Teferi, or Oloro instead, consider that.

>>52602863
What are generals then, shitposter? Here's your (You)

>>52604534
An exception, buddy

>>52586150
Stop phoneposting brollective.

Mizzix, Noyan Dar, or Talrand for oops all instants/sorceries?

>>52604671
Mizzix all the way. Or you could use Wort Tokens

>>52603567
>>52603568
MaRo is but one man -- he made his belief that Nagas were a mistake very clear and what do we get in Amonkhet? More Nagas, because the rest of the team disagreed. His statement on the matter is amusingly passive aggressive.

And yet even he, one of the most fervent defenders of the Jacetice League, has indicated that scaling back Gatewatch presence is something coming in Hour and later. We probably won't be lucky enough to see them decimated like the Weatherlight Crew or slaughtered like the Nine Titans. Not yet. But I'm pretty sure Gatewatcher blood CAN flow, effective as of Hour. It's only a matter of time and concentrated hate before it does.

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