/CofD/ & /wodg/ Chronicles of Darkness and World of Darkness

>>52577549
But who are the most vampire vampires in Vampire?

>>52577845
Ventrue, really

>>52577845
Depends entirely on your definition of most vampire vampires

>>52577845

Nosferatu.

If PHP was secretly a plot by Pentex would Rasmus Ledorf be a formarch or just an unwitting pawn of Pentex.

>>52577884
Ventrue represent real bloodsucking parasite people, not folklore.

Has someone already shared Cursed Necropolis: Rio?

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>strictly fluff-wise
VtM until about 1997
I really miss edgy homo 90s grimderp

>>52577833
Old vamp, i like new mage too.

>>52577833

Mage, either version. The two tend to run together when I come up with stuff for either game more than a lot of partisans would be happy with.

>>52577833
new Demon

>>52578281
The technocracy is my main hangup with ascension.

>>52578302

Odd, I always kind of liked them.

My hang up with ascension is the difficulty of suspending disbelief in some cases, and with awakening it's how hackneyed "the truth" is.

>>52578430
I'm not a fan of the technology vs magic 'conflict'/paradigm/whatever you want to call it.

>>52578464
It's a popular trope in fiction. I guess you're in the minority.

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>>52578464

Magic isn't real, doofus.

>>52578302
The Union is one of the coolest aspects of Ascension, in my oh so honest opinion.

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>>52578539

It most certainly is real, anon. The Spheres are all around us!

>>52578264
This is me

>>52578464
>technology vs magic
Mages in these games are highly adept with technology. There are technology wizards basically.

It's just the technocracy's name that gives you that other idea.

>>52578622
Not all of the Awakened incorporate tech into their work.

Magic and science are the same thing based on your Paradigm. The Technocrats aren't wizards, and the Verbena aren't technologists.

There are similarities and exceptions in some cases, such as the Hermetics. They see magic as a different science compared to the Union; an arcane / occult science.

>>52578464

See, the way I choose to "read" the Free Council is that they're basically what could have happened if the Traditions and Technocracy came together.

The Seers are the other possible result.

So for me, the Diamond are the odd man out. It's rare for me to play Diamond characters, and City/Region writeups I do tend to favor Council/Seers over the Diamond.

My problem is that the symbolism aspect of NMage is kind of shitty, and I prefer a more Existential approach to Mage.

>>52578588
>all the magick of the spheres
>still bald

>>52577833
If I did a fan-made supplement of criminal organizations in the world and their roles would anyone be interested in that? Kind of like the mafia book did back in 2002?

Like the Italians, Triads, Yakuza, Bratva, Latin American cartels, and the more sophisticated and organized street gangs?

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Daily remind Magecucks are cuckolded by the reality of their neet lifestyle

mages > you

So in apocalypse, why do werewolves have a weakness to silver?

>>52578986
Because that's part of the folklore identity of werewolves and they have to cling to what they have since just about everyone else *also* has the ability to transform into fucking wolves.

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>mfw the answer to magefags is to just ignore them

It was in front of our noses the whole time

>>52579254
Where the fuck is this from?

>>52579325
Days of Fire

>>52579340
Not sure what that is.

>>52579364
http://whitewolf.wikia.com/wiki/Demon%3A_Days_of_Fire

>>52579254
Of course. Who would dare provoke a true wizard?

>>52579439
Vampfags do, all the damn time.

They never succeed, but they still try.

>>52578986
It's Luna stuff and they're half other Luna stuff. Same whatever as Superman and Krypton's debris.

>>52577833
>strictly fluff-wise?
Hunter or blue book mortals.

>>52578787
No, do the fucking magical school already

>>52577833
VtM is still my favourite fluff. I just really like so many of the clans in it.

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>>52579583
Fangy BDSM nerds sorted by coolness, since nobody's done this in a couple threads.
>Lasombra
>Giovanni
>Nosferatu
>Tremere
>Tzimisce
>Ventrue
>Followers of Set
>Assamites
>Toreador
>Gangrel
>Malkavians
>Fucking Caitiff

>Brujah

>>52579688
>tremere being that high

>>52579688
>there are legitimately people with such shit taste

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>>52579700
>disliking spooky goth wizards, of all things
Why would anyone want to be another kind of goth or another kind of wizard or another kind of spooky than be a spooky goth wizard?

>>52579772
>spooky goth wizard
>laughing hermetic

Tremere are bitches that traded superior magics off for vampirism.

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>>52579772
Get fucked emo fags

How powerful is blood magic compared to true magick?

>>52579912
Minimally. It's more versatile than regular vampire disciplines but usually no more powerful.

>>52579912
Hardly comparable. Mage magic is the most powerful kind of magic, period.

It seems that my post on the other thread was utterly useless.

>>52579923
>>52579945
Does /wodg/ wipes out every new thread? Do you have RAM instead of long term memory?

Sigh.

>>52579975
What post was that, exactly?

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>>52579975

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>>52579851
>trade a tiny bit of nerd for a ton of attractive goth

>>52579975
It was useless. You were comparing outdated material to outdated material. Barely an anon bothered with your post(s).

>REEEEEEE 2 dots in Spheres / Arcana can trump higher dots in Disciplines REEEEEEE

>>52580197
If you're picking your game for the kind of dress you get to wear I don't even know what to say. I'd probably do the same if I had any chance of actually looking good in fancy goddamn dresses. Costuming looks like a fun time in a lot of the same ways as character customization can be.

How much of a challenge is an Incarnate Beast to an NMage?

>>52580521
Depends on the mage in question.

>>52580521
How long is a piece of tass?

I'm planning on running game set in NYC. I am wanting to create a Territory system for the game, for players to be able to control areas and get benefits like Contacts and Influence from those areas. Anyone got any good district maps of NYC?

>>52579772
The fact that "spooky goth wizard" is actually annoyingly hard to pull off in Requiem is one of my least favorite things about it. You either have to be a pagan hippie/pagan hellraiser wizard, a Christfag wizard, or a more standard wizardly archetype who doesn't actually have any spells, but can walk in sunlight longer.

Anyone willing to share Cursed Necropolis: Rio?

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Found this in the filename thread, changed the name appropriately.

>>52577833
A tie between VtM and WtA

>>52580917
Oh snap it's jujimafu. Super cool guy, glad he's making it big now.

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Take the staff nerd neet magecucks

>>52578302
The technocracy is the only interesting thing in Mage.

>>52582923
You're posting in a ghost town. These threads have been unmade by the magefags.

>>52580283
At how many dots do spheres/arcana outdo the others gifts and disciplines?

>>52580851
It's almost like you should define your characters by their personality and not mechanics, anon.

>>52580851
Well there are also free-mason wizards and you can always build your own form of magic with what is written in Blood Sorcery

>>52583221
The Spheres of Ascension and the Arcana of Awakening will generally outdo Disciplines at around 2 - 4 dots, while Gifts are in-between the two; over vampires but under mages.

Vampires>Changelings>Mages>The rest

When it comes to sex

>>52583289
If your character's personalities would let them give up discovering how to kill with geometry alone then they were never really PCs.

>>52583411
Mages being better than the rest is a very OWoD thing, CofD they are more or less equal to the others. There's not much that a mage can do against Celerity or Dominate for instance. Werewolves also win at 1v1 unless you're a Beast.

>>52583622
Please dude, we're all just so sick and tired of this shit.
Enough with all the fucking bait.

So are Changelingfags excited for Lost 2ed or scared they will ruin everything?

>>52583691
I'm cautiously optimistic.
However odds are I'll just tear the shit I don't like out of whatever's put out, and run the game the way I want.

>>52583622
>>52583680
>taking the bait from his own comment

Not even sure which side you're on.

>>52583708
From stuff that was already spoiled what are your likes and dislikes. I kinda dislike Huntsman as I'm afraid they will clog all the space and pop up everywhere like Indigam in Wtf2 and Strix in Vtr2

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>>52583622

>>52583729
Huntsmen are my big one. I feel they make the Fae too prevalent in the real world, with too much of an immediate and persistent threat to the eternal question of when/whether your Keeper would come for you. Plus they're too much of the focus of the new need to keep yourself hidden, written in to too many systems.

I'm also mildly irritated that contracts are now one-off purchases rather than incremental ones, however I feel they may still have some of those.

I was initially quite annoyed that seeming is now only defined by your escape, rather than your durance, but still affects your appearance in various ways. But I've kinda come to accept it more now, but it still annoys me.

I was also initially irritated that harvesting glamour drains willpower, but I guess that it did seem a bit too good to be true that Changelings could get their resource back with almost no cost (albeit a lore suggestion that you might be harming their souls ever so slightly).

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>>52583724
My own.
I'm sick of this vampfagging, and the magefags who flock to accurately tell them how retarded they're being.

>>52583680
So I can't speak my mind because you think I'm a shitposter?

>>52583750
It's not stupid If I'm speaking from experience. Mages aren't as powerful as people claim them to be. It's exaggerated a lot.

>>52583784
I see what you mean about huntsmen. I never played Changeling but after reading 1ed core I particularly liked NPC called Grandfather Thunder or something. I liked the bit with described how he walked the cost armed with a iron hammer yelling at his Keeper to come at him. So yeah uncertainty and paranoia was great bit of True Fae

Willpower bit is IMHO alright because other splats that need to somehow interact with humans for stuff do inflict hurt in one way or another(Vamp, Beast and Demon)

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>>52583795
Then you've never experienced someone who actually knew what they were doing.

>>52578563
>>52582923

The whole "hyperscience is just magic" is garbage. So Technocrats believe in progress through rationality and scientific experimentation even though their own gadgets tend to regularly cause random effects from exploding to getting them dragged away by angry spirits?

>>52583729
That's it, then? All splats get these new awesome enemies for the ST to throw at the group when there's a lull and no one feels like actually interacting with the game world or each other?

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While the vampfags and magefags rip into each other, let's discuss Werewolf: the Apocalypse!

Any of you actually played it? What as you character like?

>>52584097
Was one of the first game books I've got but never played it. Thou it did start my interest in Wod/Cofd

>>52584097
We don't want werefags stinking up the chronicles of fagness.

Leave.

>>52584065
The Technocratic Union don't use magic. What magic is and isn't is all based around your Paradigm. This isn't an Arthur C Clarke "magic is just science we don't understand yet", it's consensual damn reality.

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>>52584097
>mfw I had this anal retentive ST for Werewolf who was obsessed with keeping track of stats of every form and shit

It gets annoying when you have a pack of five.

So back in VtM, vampires like Jeanette, who actually have sex with humans are regarded as the grossest thing ever, but after reading so much about the Daeva, that kind of behavior is almost commonplace for them?

>>52577833
>What's your favorite WoD-splat, strictly fluff-wise?

Changeling: The Lost.

>>52584273
Entirety of CofD is just taking the deviancy to the forefront because they know it's what people do anyway. Hell, werewolves can now fuck other werewolves in Forsaken 2E without any drawbacks, for example.

Can't both of you just let the last retard who posted get the last word and move into a better discussion?

Like what kind of cultures do you like to build concepts around? I'm partial to Aztec myths and asthetics

>>52584097
I loved werewolf but I was fortunate to have a pre existing group so I never had to deal with the furry menace that supposedly surrounds it.

My character was a German Get of Fenris who had a veeery potent connection to his ancestors. He was rash, hot headed and it bit him in the ass when he got captured and tortured by wyrn beasts having to be saved by his pack (and learn a valuable lesson about teamwork).

>>52584349
Ech depands. Are we talking about game setting then I'm more inclined to build it around stuff I'm familiar with like history of europe and such

>>52584097
>>52584375

I played a Silent Strider Theurge in the Wild West. A slave with the thinnest bit of wolf that had a very bad view of western civilization in general and whites in particular and a lot of anger issues. He was basically werewolf Malcolm X prowling the wild frontier. He made a mess of traditional Striders spiritual practices, stuff he picked up from / bargained for with native mystics and whaty he learned about spirits by himself.
In the end he derailed the campaign by frenzying at the wrong time and killing all the wrong people... We never got to finish that story.

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>>52584649
>someone actually played Wild West Werewolf

Well I'll be damned.

>>52584686
it was always a very fitting setting for werewolf to me

>large expanse to wonder
>shantytowns for civilization if you really want it
>native americans still around with their spirits
>a lot more dangerous everyday life

If a vamp had piercings when they got embraced, what happens if you take out those piercings after you were embraced?

>>52584973
Nothing. New piercings would always heal back, but old ones will stay.

>>52584349
I'm really big into Americana, so I tend to limit myself to, say, the antebellum period before the Civil War, or the Gilded Age. I find there's a lot of ground there for pretty much any kind of story

>>52580521
Withstand still scales like shit, so the answer is still "not much".

>>52585418
>Dark Archon

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Anyone here done a game where their hunter got turned into a vampire?

How did that go for you?

>>52583691
Curious how much of david hills version will be kept, not worried much though since rose bailey dev'd VtR and VtR's core book is great

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>>52585492
Sounds interesting. But I think it wouldn't go well; first, only certain clans would be more keen to do it (I imagine a Brujah or a Gangrel out of respect) I think the most practical clan for it would be the Malkavians. A mental disorder would be the most appropiate to handle the guilt for becoming what the hunter most hated or the will to still want to kill vampires. Secondly, hunters tend to have some bullshit faith powers that maybe prevent them to be embraced, or maybe not all hunters, I don't know.

>>52584273
Different setting mean different lore brah

So with Hill having quit, does that mean an end to that shitty-ass Tokyo setting of his?

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>>52578539
>Magic isn't real, doofus.

Exactly this

Every """magical""" phenomena has a perfectly reasonable scientific explanation behind it

Hey /wod/

Build me a stealth/murder optimized werewolf, bone gnawer preferred

>>52586083

No, probably not.

Has anyone tried the GURPS versions of the OWoD games? How do you they compare to the storyteller versions? I found copies of Mage and werewolf at my flgs. They look like they've been collecting dust since the 90s, and I'm wondering if they're worth buying.

>>52585881
I'm thinking about picking up Changeling after it comes out and I'm done with my VtR campaign. Should feel similar enough

>>52586083
We already know that Hunter 2e isn't going to have the same format as the other books when it comes to locations, so it will probably get a mention but it won't be the same.

>>52584097
I've run a few games and played in a few more. If you like 90s style grimderp edginess and ultraviolence, it's perfect.

>>52584349

>Aztec myths

My shadow-skinned compatriot!

>>52586866
I know that there's a Pyramid article that talks about giving your GURPSvamps crazy kung-fu action.

The strength of GURPS has always been its modularity, closely followed by relative balance. Combat can be fast and simple or complex and tactical. You have rules for mecha, time travel, and several versions of magic.

>>52586800
Ahroun Lupus
Sink 5 freebies in rage and 10 in Gnosis
Warp in from the Umbra and the turn after Alpha Strike with 5 additional actions (pity you can't spend Rage in the same turn you use Gnosis)
Sytealth Gifts are garbage so don't even go there, your best stealth tool is sidestepping aka the art of fucking not actually being there

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>>52579688
Inbred italians aren't cool, what the fuck man.
Neither are sewer rats. Real coolness list:
>Lasombra
>Tzimisce
>Malkavians
>Toreador
>Assamites
>Brujah
>Ventrue
>Tremere
>Nosferatu
---- Sub-Caitiff Line ----
>Followers of Set
>Gangrel
>Giovanni

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Do the Spirit Arcanum damage spells ONLY damage spirits in Twilight, or do they ALSO damage spirits in Twilight?

>>52588371
Also

>>52588371
Do you mean work in twilight/shadow? Or across into twilight/shadow?

>>52588131
Gangrel are the canonical cowboy and lumberjack vampires, they're at least cooler than Assamites.

>>52588596
Where are you from where either of those things are cool?

If Brujah don't make you yawn *immediately* when someone starts trying to talk about them to you, you need to see a doctor because there must be something wrong with your mouth, lungs or brain.

>>52586083

I fear the damage has already been done. Any "Shadows of Tokyo" book will have to bear the weight of Comerade Hill's turd of a write-up.

>>52586083
Why did he quit? Same reason Holden and Morke did?

>>52588762

Holden and Morke are out?

I still want to congratulate them on tanking a gameline that used to be neck and neck with D&D itself.

>>52588875
Yeah, the editor finally had enough of their shit. Now Holden is on the IRC bitching about how he wasn't paid for content he wrote above wordcount that was cut from the book.

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Are WW for real with the Métis thing? Naming your game's most disliked freaks after a real world race? They know that doing that is like making a setting with goblins and naming them 'Africans', right?

>>52588902
Metis is the name of the thing we use for performance appraisals in work

>>52588902
Metis is french for Mixed

>>52588762

Someone who stalked him is a friend of the White Wolf creative director and also probably going to write for 5e.

>>52588950
Stalked? Who?

>>52588902
No one uses that except Canadians. Dirty Leaf.

>>52588762
Hill has allegedly been previously harassed by Zach S (though no actual evidence of this exists),
New White Wolf, a company only tangentially realated to Onyx Path publishing hired Zach S so Hill rage quit because he is an insane Communist who thinks people who show disagreement with him aren't human.

>>52588958
Zak Smith.

A 45 year old who acts like a 12 year old, sent Hill pictures of his son's school, creepy tumblr weirdo

>>52588982

>Calls Hill an insane Communist, then defends an Anarchist

Oh, so that's why you keep bringing it up, you're a harder leftist than Hill. Gotcha.

>>52589051
I'm not defending anyone, the claims Hill made are without any legal merit.

>>52589051

>Calls the one that isn't a totalitarian "further left"

Found the Britfag

>>52589009
Fucking why though?

>>52589143
Argued about fluff.

Told you he was a weirdo

>>52589009
Once again, there's no proof it was Zak and not just random people online who like him. People he has literally no control over. Which is you know, why Whitewolf found he'd done nothing wrong and no legal charges have ever manifested.

>>52584349
Depends a lot of where and what, but recently I've doing a lot of changeling Victorian period stuff. Particularly using children's books like Peter pan, and Pinocchio

>>52584973
Your body stays exactly the way it was when it got embraced. Even shit like your haircut, scars and other traits you might have been sporting.

>>52589373
Can't you just spend willpower to let changes like that 'stick'? Or is that only in VtR 1e?

>>52589384
It was kept in 2e.

I'm playing 1st edition mage and I can't use any Arcana above 2 dots and gnosis is the 2-3 range.
How do I hijack a plane and not die when it crashes into a building?

>>52589512
Mind and Space. Mind control the crew with sympathetic casting.

>>52588982
>>52589202
>>52589066
We know it's you, Zak. Hill is a bit of an asshat but you certainly aren't any better.

>>52588131
>Inbred italians
This is pure slander. There are also inbred mexicans in the clan.

>>52589662
Don't forget the inbred Scots, Jews, Irishmen and WASPs.

>>52588418
Does that make it a straight upgrade to most of the other Arcana's attack spells?

>>52589117

Your hard leftist secret is safe with me, friend.

>>52589761
I'm not sure what you're asking. Could you rephrase it?

>>52589791

I'm idiosyncratic.

http://theonyxpath.com/what-if-the-salubri-survived-v20-dark-ages-companion/

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So how do I rip the artwork image from the .pdf on the right, when selecting the image and copypasting it to paint only produces the black stuff you see on the left?

>>52590256
Foxit Reader should have what you want. It lets you change layers and their visibility.

>>52590350

Thanks, I'll download and try that now.

I wanna rip the artwork for all of Vampire stuff, both Masquerade and Requiem, and create an image gallery for it, but just taking screenshots of the shit and putting them together would take ages.

>>52590256
GIMP can load pdfs as image layers.

>>52590350
>>52590383
Wait, my bad. It's their other thing, Foxit PhantomPDF. The Reader is just what I use to create/modify bookmarks in WoD's ocean of files that have utterly useless navigation aids.

>>52590436

Oh fuck. That one you have to pay for or pirate?

>>52590462
Is it paid? I just googled the image feature. I only know the Reader lets you cycle layers but tried to select an image and couldn't. Yeah pirate if possible.

>>52590076

>What if the Salubri never fell? We ask this question in the Apocrypha of V20 Dark Ages. We demonstrate a scenario where this is indeed the case with Mangaluru. I explore a similar theme with a sidebar in V20 Dark Ages Tome of Secrets, regarding the Tzimisce. What if the Tzimisce Koldün put ancestral rivalries and blood-borne jealousies aside and banded together against the nascent Tremere? Would we see a different Vienna come the Final Nights? Would we see a different Sabbat and Camarilla?

What part of the Tome of Secrets is this? Anyone got the pages for it?

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How swole is your party?

>>52591803
Pot ●● minimum, we even taught the Ventrue girl, so she doesn't feel left behind.

>>52590575
>What part of the Tome of Secrets is this? Anyone got the pages for it?

Eh, from what I can tell, it's nothing major.

It seems to be referring to the sidebar on page 46.

>THE FRUITION OF KOLDUNISM

>The kraina spawn territorial grudges and violent rivalries strong enough to hamstring any attempt by Rustovich to bring the Voivodate’s sorcerers to common cause against the Fiefdoms of the Black Cross, but it’s a noble aim. It still stands a chance of acting as a secret weapon capable of tipping the War of Princes in favor of the Tzimisce.

>In your game, if the Seekers’ intent comes to fruition, it will greatly empower the Tzimisce. Playing as Cainites within the Many-Headed Seekers, or learning from them in exchange for alliance in the constant melees with Usurpers and Patricians, is a distinct angle from which to run your chronicle, especially if such actions were to seriously harm the burgeoning Tremere.

>>52592575

What a load of shit. He didn't explore shit.

>>52592605
>What a load of shit. He didn't explore shit.

Yeah, it's pretty fucking vague.

The Salubri "What if" scenario in the main Dark Ages book was short as well, but that one was fuckin' sweet.

It wasn't just a "OH WELL, WHO KNOWS, CHOO_CHOO, ALL ABOARD THE TRAIN OF NEVER-GETTING-A-STRAIGHT-ANSWER!"...

Instead, they sat us down and said "Alright, shut up, here's what the Salubri not dying out would lead to..."

And as it turned out, it would lead to a more reserved Sabbat that ACTUALLY managed to get its shit together and form a structured Cainite army that never performed Mass-Embraces.

Now that's the sort of crap I want more of. Not just some wishy-washy "it would probably be different, yeah", but actual *details*.

>>52592728

Which V20 Dark Ages book was this in and what pages, please?

I recently read the Lore of the Bloodlines and didn't like what Onyx wrote about the modern nights Salubri.

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>>52592756

It's in the main V20 Dark Ages book, page 446.

>"If the Watchers could be convinced to lend their talents to the clan’s difficulties, bringing the two fractured bloodlines together into a clan once more, they have a chance."

>"Blood would still be shed in sacrifice, but the tragedy’s tone will be one of defiance, not acquiescence."

>"A reunified Clan Salubri will even be able to survive Acre’s fall in 1291."

>"The worst ravages of the Inquisition never come to pass."

>"The Anarch Revolt still occurs, but the end of neonate frustration comes not at the behest of the Tal’Mahe’Ra, but the whispers of the Healers."

>"With the Usurpers hiding under Hardestadt’s cloak, the Salubri swear they will have nothing to do with the idea of Camarilla, joining their noble brethren to form the Sabbat."

>"Clan Malkavian, seeing Hardestadt’s dream left behind, flocks to the inverted ankh’s banner."

>"The Sword of Caine still craves war against the Antediluvians, preparing for Gehenna while gathering Noddist lore."

>"By the turn of the millennium, the Camarilla is relegated to a few European cities and the American South."

>"Across the globe, the three free clans await the Red Star, licking their fangs."

>>52592946

This version of Sabbat would enforce their own kind of Masquerade, no? Because I doubt they'd be able to make it so far into the timeline if they started kicking up the fuss on a global stage.

>>52592970
>This version of Sabbat would enforce their own kind of Masquerade, no?

Correct, but it's a far more calmer Sabbat.

>"Yet the Salubri still focus on humanity, on keeping ties with kine and maintaining Road and Path. Ultimately, this focus leads to a far calmer, more philosophical Sabbat."

Basically, when the Ancients awaken in this new timeline, they don't wake up in a world where people are either A: completely un-prepared to fight them or B: not even aware of their existence.

Instead, they wake up to fully-fledged vampiric armies that have spent whole centuries preparing for the fight.

>>52593046

That would be fun as fuck. Nosferatu would have to side with the Salubri. I mean, they got the Nictuku right on their asses and the Camarilla sure as fuck didn't do anything in the original timeline to hamper them, doubt they'd do shit here when they're so seriously underpowered.

Honestly, other than Ventrue, Toreador and Tremere, I can't understand why anyone would be with the Camarilla. Maybe the Brujah would avoid Sabbat due to their fuckup with Carthage and allowing the Baali to run rampant.

>>52588673
Diogenes is best Brujah.

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Any new OWoD content since the mobile 'games', or still too soon?

>>52593830
There has to be some plan. I mean they definitely still love some of the Bloodlines characters, so the people on staff are at least into video games.

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>>52593903

Oh, it's almost a certainty we are getting Bloodlines 2 eventually, whether it's good or not is to be seen.

What confuses me is why they thought Werewolf was a good choice to be the first major out-of-the-gate project for their new multimedia plan. I mean, sure they have their dedicated fanbase, but they are so different to the usual portrayals of werewolves that they risk a WTF reaction as much as anything. You could argue Skyrim is a better 'traditional' werewolf game than Apocolypse.

A shitty mobile only game or two, or a few weak roleplaying suplements, are one thing... but the Werewolf game is going to gain the attention of the Bloodlines fanbase, Witcher fanbase, and Elder Scrolls fanbase, and unless it's fucking amazing it could damage the brand which will only just be finding it's feet again.

They should have started with Bloodlines 2. It would have been far safer.

>>52593830

It seems like the plan is to keep doing LARP events until the Werewolf game comes out and 5e premieres. White Wolf's main focus is pitching a TV show to Netflix, Hulu, or Amazon.

>>52594163
>White Wolf's main focus is pitching a TV show to Netflix, Hulu, or Amazon.

It will bomb. I will bomb so hard. So. Fucking. Hard.

>>52594047
>>52593903

Who the fuck would develop a Bloodlines sequel?

>>52594223
>show about SJW supernaturals
Yeah it's going to suck and be overly pretentious.

Bringing back the 90s is an awesome idea, but they suck at doing it.

To OP - gotta be Changing Breeds provided you get a group that ain't a bunch of furfags.

TEAM CORAX CA-CAW

>>52594223

Can it be worse than that Kindred: The Embraced show where every vampire seemed to fall in love with a human?

>>52594264
Probably, werewolf TV shows seem popular these days. Just imagine a frenzing Metis being portrayed and everyone boycotting the series.

>>52594264
Vampire romance hasn't been done properly since the 1992 Dracula film. Love just isn't dangerous anymore.

Bram Stoker would be appalled.

>>52594047
>why they thought Werewolf was a good choice to be the first
Because they can go full hack & slash with it and get bloodborn fans attention

My mage uses her experiences/adventures as bed time stories for her kid. Can this fuck me over?

>>52594325
>>52594339
I can only dread a Mage television series. It would be nigh impossible. You can't just slap ridiculousness like that on a screen.

>>52594339

The thing is that romance doesn't belong in WoD. Not the old one at least. It was extremely rare.

There were a few old world of darkness books which mentioned resources going above 5 dots and what they meant. Does anyone remember which one that was in?

>>52594364
They made a Spanish one in 2008! I rather enjoyed it. Here it is with subtitles.

https://mega.nz/#!D8AAzABL!EYwlR-BUe-q7xBRbpqW1Zy_7j4-0DN2ewMRAI_-KDeI

>>52594247

Fuck knows, maybe get Obsidian? Try and rebuild the old team on a one-game basis?

There is something about Bloodlines that makes it amazing and replayable that I don't believe for a second was intentional. It had that magic that made it a cult hit. Maybe THE cult him of videogames, with the old reinstall meme.

The chances of them getting that again are exceedingly unlikely. It is coming though, everyone knows it, I mean fuck - the relaunched Vampire is likely to treat ir's 'canon' as more sacrosanct than the old splats, given it got first product-line listing and a colored icon, completely seperate from the tabletop line. When normies think of WoD, they think of Jack, Beckett, Nines, Jeanette, Strauss, Damsel ect.

>>52594376
Romance is too pervasive in all aspects of fiction to say it doesn't belong anywhere, really.

>>52594345
Of course.

>>52594047
The publisher they're partnered with (Focus Home Interactive) are publishing Vampyr this year, a *very* similar urban roleplaying game to what people want out of another VtMB.

In fact they might literally want to grab Vampyr's developer for it (Dontnod Entertainment), if things really work out.

Then again, the current dev Cyanide have 2 chances to show what they can do with Werewolf and the new Cthulhu game on their list for 2017. Neither have even shown gameplay yet. Gameplay I've looked up of their Styx games seems to show that they can do 3D stealth games at least.

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>>52594342

Hm, fair point.

Does WW actually have the funds to finance video game development?

Or did they give the IP to a shovelware studio?

>>52594448
The actual gameplay for vampyre looks mediocre. I do like the art and sound design though.

>>52594448

I am looking forwards to Vampyr, I will admit, and Life is Bisexual Mages hit me surprisingly hard in the feels I'm ashamed to admit. Might be a good choice.

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Who is the better Mage?

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>>52594505
Is this even a question?

>>52594441
How. I mean of the stories being told are dramatizations? Like shell rename Mages as Witch and Wizards.

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>>52594436

Isn't Obsidian busy with Pillars of Eternity 2?

Personally, I think CDPR could do a good job. They've shown they can adapt book material above averagely well. But they do have that Cyberpunk 2077 thing going on and I don't think they'll be done with that before 2019.

>There is something about Bloodlines that makes it amazing and replayable that I don't believe for a second was intentional. It had that magic that made it a cult hit. Maybe THE cult him of videogames, with the old reinstall meme.

Oh yeah, I completely agree with you. The game also got me into some of the music they used for it, even though I never listened to that kind of stuff before.

>>52594448

>In fact they might literally want to grab Vampyr's developer for it (Dontnod Entertainment), if things really work out.

Oh please, God, no.

Dontnod are fucking incompetent.

They can build up the environment for their games, but they suck balls when it comes to story, gameplay or anything else for that matter.

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>>52594505
>>52594535
Alan Moore is quite literally a real life wizard.

>>52594448
Oh, well that actually makes this all very logical. The publisher would not want both a VtM game and Vampyr coming out around the same time, and WW may be waiting to see what happens with both Dontnot's and Cyanide's current projects.

Honestly I think they saw the developer commentated walkthrough of the Vampyr demo and picked up the phone, couldn't get the devs to either jump what they currently have over to their licensed material OR to do a game for them too (they're fucking busy obviously), but Focus Home were able to sell them on another developer under their publishing umbrella that might have the ability to do what they want.

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>>52594574
WW already has plans for a AAA game, but it won't end up a Bloodlines sequel. It'll be based on VtM 5th Edition, as it's a part of their attempt at a cross-media blitz. They already said the TT game will be based on the 'world bible' for the AAA vidya.

>>52594744

I just hope the game isn't shit. That's all. I need the writing to be decent. I don't want modern human bullshit in the game, i.e. sex/gender identity and shit like that. Not unless we're playing as a fucking Tzimisce with a schizophrenia disorder.

>>52594772

You're getting all of that because it's a White Wolf game and Dracula wants his games to talk about politics.

>>52593087
Best retcon of Camarilla and Sabbat:

>Camarilla
- Ventrue (Obviously)
- Lasombra (to be the muscle of the sect and proper foils to the Ventrue)
- Toreador (the more liberal element to the sect)
- Nosferatu (the eyes and ears and in general the clan is pretty humane)
- Cappadocians (The historic allies of the Ventrue and the mystical backbone of the sect.

>Sabbat
You keep the whole ethos of toppling the elders and revelling in being vampires but you add an intellectual element with various different leaders experimenting with new systems of control.

- Brujah (The passion and muscle of the sect, they make way better instigators of the Anarch Revolt than the Lasombra or Tzimisce)
- Malkavians (they're the equivilent to the Nosferatu, except where the Nos are spies, the Malks are Seers.
- Tremere (The cunning and mystical element of the sect and a huge part of why the Sabbat formed, one of their members ate a fucking antedeluvian and is still around.)

>Independents
- Assamites (Get rid of the middle eastern theme and rework them as impartial judges, maybe make them a branch of the Camarilla that works similar to the Morag Tong; a legalized and regulated method of assassination to avoid wars that will drag the mortal population into conflicts)
- Gangrel (Same as they ever were)
- Followers of Set (Same as they ever were)
- Tzimisce (Internally divided between the Lordly Koldun who hold to the ways of the old gods and the Alien-minded metamorphasists)
Ravnos (remove them and just make the Gangrel fill it's space, throw chimeristry in with a type of blood sorcery.)

And if you really need to have the Giovanni in your game, just make them the equivilent to the Antritribu of the Cappadocians who function as the moneybags of the Sabbat.

>>52594772
Won't happen. Either the SJWs of OPP will do some work on it, or the SHOCK AND AWE of murderous trannies and dismembered ass will bleed in from the only actual person we've had announced for V5. The problem is, is that Martin wants it to involve modern politics and such to 'push borders' and make itself relevant by commenting on modern stuff.

>>52594891
desu I think the Lasombra would immediately join the Sabbat just because the Ventrue are in the Camarilla

>>52594941

Fuck this shit, I'm going back to the '90s.

The Y2K craze was far more sensible than all this.

>>52594941
The SJWs of OPP are ants compared to the mammoth SJWs of WW.

>>52594954
Nah, they'd tear each other appart trying to see who's top dog. Heck the Lasombra were in Ancient Rome dping just that. Constant internal fuckery for control.

>>52594596
Bloodlines was absolutely horrible at gameplay and especially level design and combat, remember. Its strengths were character customization, roleplaying dialogue and atmosphere.

Anyway while it's still plenty possible to have disappointment lined-up, I'm gonna be optimistic for Vampyr. What they've shown was only weak at combat, and I don't actually give a shit about that. What they've described in terms of roleplaying paths, and what they've shown with simple vampire powers in NPC interactions like controlling them to go places, getting invitations to come indoors, is *better* than what Bloodlines accomplished with its own. If they can live up to half of their sweet promises (some of which are literally just extending what they've already shown into a larger game world) it will be a game worth playing and a portfolio item worth hiring them over for a VtM game.

>>52594505
>>52594535
His work went to shit after he went crazy though

>>52595055
just like a real wizard.

>>52595055
Well this is just plain false. We love him because he's crazy.

>>52578672
>caring about your appearance when a master lawnchair maker (lol!)

>>52594574
Keep in mind that WW aren't publishing giants; they can't just get whoever they want. CDPR basically are minor publishing giants, at this point. They own GOG and have "made it" big time with their last games. They're also adamantly independent - they don't make games for anyone else.

>bloodlines came out 2003
>WW ended oWoD in 2004

Was there literally no contact between marketing and studio?

Imagine getting the game, getting interested in the lore and atmosphere, then discovering the game's been shelved.

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>>52595197
>Literally me.

To be fair, shelved with enough content to read for fucking years. Trust me, I'm trying, as oWoD is a setting I'd like to know inside and out. But there are so many damn books. The fact it ended is not as big a deal as some people like to pretend. I mean, look at the glacial pace of some ongoing settings, that have a tenth of cWoD content.

>>52595055
He was producing good, shitty, and crazy simultaneously before he even went to Image.

>>52595267
I know that, and I'm thankful for how much stuff they left, but I'm talking from a profit perspective.

If they had been just a little bit more newbie friendly they'd be rolling in the dough.

>>52595267
Its too bad all the side bars taking up word count don't make the books come out any faster.

>>52595197
The decision would have been made around the same time, but development and planning for that would have started MUCH earlier (it references circa-1999 getting-on-to-Revised Masquerade stuff in bloodlines in general, no red star anywhere, etc.)

>>52592946
Wow this is fucking stupid tho

>>52583443
Spoken like a true fucking virgin.

Werewolves>vamps>demons>hunters power gap >mummies>changelings>prometheans>>>>>>>>mages

>>52594392

is this actually mage the ascension or just a show with a very similar concept?

>>52595632
Its actually mage the Ascension and features the Technocracy and Tradition mages as well as Paradox.

>>52594502

life is bisexual mages?

>>52595677

downloading.


Also, just how much shit would you have to do to make Mage work as a video game? I imagine the mechanics would resemble sorcerer, you'd probably play OoH off the bat, and a bunch of other shit. Still, if it was good, i'd love to see it.

>>52595625
>implying a life mage and werewolf wouldn't result in the best sex possible in world of darkness

>>52595625
You forgot Geists/Sin-Eaters and Beasts. Who wouldn't want a ghost blowjob?

>>52595625
Werewolves are just looking for a hole to cum into. They'd be good at fucking but overall awful relationship material.

>>52595867
>They'd be good at fucking
Horseshit, there's nothing to even remotely suggest that. They'd be good at being rough, that's 1 thing they have for them. You get doggy style and then doggy style and then doggy style and then doggy style out of them.

http://www.strawpoll.me/12699307

Only way to solve this

>>52596084
Look, I'm not a vampfag, but vampire folklore is heavily intertwined with sex and forbidden desire. The game's style reflects that too from what I've seen. Sex can be their thing, that doesn't sound like a hard sell at all to me. They can own that.

>>52595677

why are the subtitles seperate files and how do i use them?

>>52588131
>Followers of Set
Nigger, please.

>>52596209
They're monster god worshiping gnostics, with the amount of love Awakening gets I find it so wierd that the Settites get ragged on so much.

>>52596084
Mages are the most powerful supernaturals, so of course they would have the most powerful genitals.

>>52596238
No doubt people who didn't read their clanbook. The "gnostic" part is barely visible in the corebook and in a lot of other books, so they just come across as slimy pushers.

>>52596270
They also have the most powerful buttholes and boipussies tight enough for any knot.

>bark bark

Are there any Mekhet bloodlines out there with Dominate? I want to create a vampire psychiatrist whose focus is on unlocking the secrets of mind and soul, and I think Auspex and Dominate are the Disciplines most necessary for that.

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>>52596302
Why won't werefags spoon after it's all said and done?

Why are werefags obsessed with the idea of molesting magefags?

>>52596305
The Agnosties. They're a bloodline that revolves around helping people retain their memories when they go into torpor. They are also very commonly associated with a Shadow Cult that's about cataloguing the History of the vampiric world.

>>52596358
Mages are the cutest supernatural

>>52596358
Because the official splat ship is 'magefag x werefag'

Magefags being so tsundere doesn't help their position either.

>>52596361
While the idea is lovely, didn't 2e do away with the Fog of Eternity?

>>52596338
That guy needs to stop crying

>>52596186
VLC and media player classic will both pick them up automatically because they have the same file name.

>>52596379
I have no idea, I haven't had much chance to go over reqiuem 2e. Could very well have.

>>52596406
He's very good at crying though.

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My Thyrsus wife.

>>52592372
Do you all have 24 hour gym memberships?

>>52596724
You don't deserver her.

>>52595787
Implying a Thrysus wouldn't use magic to manipulate pleasure centers so every waking moment and action feels like a combination of the best orgasm/drug high/backscratch/meal/any other carnal pleasure.

>>52596760
A Thyrsus douche could cause spontaneous orgasms to people they don't like.

>>52596724
I'm guessing she's the dominant one in the relationship?

>>52595267
>merrytzimiscecrankcallingradioshows.jpg

>>52596806
She wants me to be to take her. She wants to be submissive and meek in bed.

>>52596724
Are you a mage?

>>52595625
>Changelings this low
>Fairest
>Contracts of Spring and Vainglory
>laughingmonstergirls.jpg

>>52596839
Sounds like a second rate mage to me.

>>52596853
He's obviously a werefag with a small knot.

>>52596407

cool, but is it supposed to look like it was filmed in the 1970's?

>>52596787
It would be a very effective way to interrogate somebody.

"Tell me what I want to know and I'll leave you to enjoy the rest of the afternoon. Or the magic stops right now and you'll have to settle for whatever you can find on /d/."

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>>52596873
>werefag with a small knot

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What tribes give the best husbandos?

>>52597134
Get of Fenris for an actual relationship
Fianna only exists for hookups

>>52597134
Werewolves don't make good husbandos.

>>52597194
What splat makes the best husbandos?

>>52597223
Mages obviously.

>>52597223
Hunters.

>>52597223
Vampires. The ones that don't force you to guzzle on their blood.

>blood bonding is not an act of love

>>52597223
Hunters

>>52579528
My nigga.

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This thread reminded me that I need to pirate the mobile games.
>>52595677
As a total stranger to MtA, should I watch this?
I'm interested in WoD but my approaches have only been to VtM. Should I try the mobile game too?

>>52597484
Don't. The shitstain that is WEBAAOFAD is not even worth pirating.

>>52597282
Is for the thrall. That's the whole reason it sucks.

I miss Sympathetic Bond.

>>52597515
Is that bad? I read about a vampire being a tranny but that shit doesn't bother me. Please tell me about it.

>>52596873
*cloaca

He's the bird

>>52597591
The situations that go on are absolutely insane and ridiculous. From things like the crazy murderous SJW Tranny who kills Uber drivers who aren't far enough left for her tastes (it's not JUST a tranny vampire), to quality writing like 'a dismember ass lying in its own smear' or the vegan vampire who only drinks blood from vegans, to the otherwise shit writing of these newly-Embraced morons. The situations are also often unwinnable when you get to certain ones and have no way to backtrack other than starting over.

>>52596897
That's the highest quality version I've been able to find. It never got a proper dvd release near as I can tell

>>52597623
>the vegan vampire who only drinks blood from vegans
To be fair, this is an entirely reasonable Masquerade Ventrue concept; I mean, their iconic character can only feed from rape victims.

>>52597484
If you don't know anything about Mage the show might be a bit confusing. But the mobile game for Mage was a fun use of a few hours, I'd say the same of the TV show.

>>52597640
The text doesn't make it out to be a Ventrue clan weakness thing, it makes it out to be simply 'the vampire was a vegan as a mortal'. The situation is written in such a way as if there is no sect-based oversight, with some mentions in one place about an elder gathering, but... overall, it's mediocre. I have heard better responses to the Mage one, despite being set against the backdrop of a Syrian refugee camp.

>>52597223
Hunters or giests since they're the only two I can think of who don't inherently drag you into weird fucked up supernatural shit just by being around.

>>52594223
All they have to do is find the people who did What We Do in the Shadows. It's VtM near-exactly, but everything stupid about actually *works* in a comedy setting.

>>52597689
>they're the only two I can think of who don't inherently drag you into weird fucked up supernatural shit just by being around.
Do you hate fun?

>>52597689
I thought hunters were edgy badasses? Doesn't that mean you always wind up in the line of fire somehow, for their tragic story?

>>52597767
Hunters are prey to every other supernatural.

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>>52597703
>What We Do in the Shadows
I love that movie, the opening is so catchy. Everyone in this thread should see it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EYP_cqlvhQI

Only Lovers Left Alive is another not-VtM movie. My head canon is that the protagonists are Toreadors.

>>52597868
If any of you fags have Amazon Prime, it's free on their Amazon Video list.

Midwife spirit that watches over my unborn child in my womb. It enters through my vagina and cervix.

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>>52597953

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>>52597953

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>>52597953
>>52597971
>>52598088

Welp.

>>52596854
this

>>52597745
I meant for purposes of husbandoing anon. I'd rather not have to put up with them constantly trotting off to murder a spirit or something.

>>52597632
>>52597652

Man, that fucking ending scene. Mage being mage there's more than one way to interpret it, though.

This thread got real quiet real fast.

Wanna get a healing rote. Should I get the bashing one, or should I wait to get the lethal one?

New thread:
>>52599401

>>52596745
Membership? Bitch, please, we bought the gym.

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>>52595700

Life is Strange. The main character, Max, is basically an uninitiated Mage with a strong affinity for the Temporis/Temporal/Time sphere, no grasp of paradox, and she has a massive crush on her childhood galpal who dresses and acts like a Brujah wannabe.

Scarily, it was the hightlight of my recent gaming experiances. The feels left me with that deep melancholy that only certain games do for days afterwards.

>>52596837
...appropriated.

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>>52597484

I actually enjoyed it, far more than We Eat Ass and All Our Friends Are Transexual Thinbloods. It isn't too biased in its approach to social issues, in this case the refugee crisis, but allows the player to be.

For example, that screen you posted, but on the other side is a small dream sequence where the
female PC was (groped/)molested by a male refugee and wanred no one would believe her and call her racist. It also doesn't paint the 'old wiccan style' mages as being all fluffy and justified, either.

All that said, it might be because I played it after All Our Friends Are Pyscopaths, and We Feed Indiscriminately.

>>52578264
Most appropriate answer.

>>52577833
>What's your favorite WoD-splat, strictly fluff-wise?

Most of the old / classic World of Darkness stuff.
Vampire the Masquerade, Mage the Ascension and Werewolf the Apocalypse.

Never played Hunter, Changeling, Demon or Wraith, and don't even know much about their fluff (just general stuff).

There was a time when I've liked the new Werewolf lore better, tho.