D&D fantasy wargame?

One bump before work. Hope to see some fun discussion.

D&D 1e and 2e are supposed to be war games, you take control of several adventures and run mass scale battles and dungeons
3e changed the game into what we know it as today

>>52576342
They did (multiple times). First didn't work out so good (which is a shame, the actual rules were pretty baller). Second and third times went better (which is also a shame, because the rules and minis were trash).

it's been a while since I read the rules part of it, but I remember the version of Chainmail that WOTC briefly did wasn't half bad in terms of rules, certainly had a pretty good default setting

in terms of current rulesets I'd probably nominate Dragon Rampant though

>>52578479
>>52580219
That's interesting.

What's the chance Wizards will bring it back for 5th?

>>52581797
pretty low I imagine, they barely even give a damn about D&D these days in the first place

>>52581989
Well I for one would like to play a D&D war game.

But my main question is, would it have to be it's own unique setting, or take place in an established setting? FR seems to be the default for 5e, so I can imagine a Faerun war game.

>>52582932
MAKE BIRTHRIGHT GREAT AGAIN

>>52583696
Not familiar with it. Want to give the quick and dirty in how it can be a war game?

>>52584256
It's a 2e setting focused on running nations. It included its own rules for mass combat, but those, the taxation rules, and 2e itself are just an unnecessarily complex clusterfuck.

A couple reasons. . .

- The current generation of young gamers with money doesn't have the patience to paint, collect, and build. They pretty much want it all right now.

- In the AoS community (the rightful/wrongful successor of WHFB), the majority of these dumbshits play with grey unpainted armies. They don't even prime them for fuck's sake. Don't be fooled by pics online. If you're a regular to your FLGS, you know what I mean.

- Battlesystem and the old WHFB were probably among the last of a dying breed of fantasy wargaming. AoS isn't a wargame, at least not in the traditional sense. It's much more simplistic and "something else" altogether.

>>52584315
Pfffft I'd argue they are less complex then what is on the market today.

There are lots of generic fantasy wargames out there, WOTC really doesn't need to throw their hat in.
Otherworld Fantasy Skirmish is specifically influenced by early D&D in particular.