/STG/ - Star Trek General

>>52568087
When did the Federation and Cardassians make First Contact? I presume it was before the war.

>>52568505
There's no definitive date, but I would assume that the Federation and the Union were aware of one another for some time before the war. Even if there were no formal diplomatic ties between the 2 states, you'd have to imagine that they came across each other during exploration/expansion.

An episode of Enterprise implies that the Cardassians traveled into deep into what would one day be Federation territory, as the Enterprise encountered a world where the Cardassians had been before. Whether by direct interaction or by word of mouth, they would have heard of each other.

>>52568505
Soft canon has contradictory explanations, one book says 2321 while another says prior to 2318.

Hard canon has the Cardassians mentioned in one episode of Enterprise, a Cardassian body seen in another episode. There's also a reference in DS9 to a Cardassian poet being exiled on Vulcan in the early 23rd century, some time between 2226 and 2240. So the question is whether you mean First Contact with a Cardassian individual, or First Contact with the Cardassians as a political entity.

>>52568699
>a Cardassian body seen in another episode

When was that?

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>>52569402
The one with the automated repair facility. It's hooked into its "brain." At least, if memory doesn't fail me.

>>52569566
Man that place was quite fucked if you think about it.

>>52569566
So that means Cardassian exxplorers made it almost as for as the Romulan Empire

>>52569998
There's a Vulcan in there that T'Pol walks straight past.

>>52569998
Yep. If I recall correctly, in the post-Romulan War ENT novels, they end up discovering that they're like a proto-Borg Collective and have been spreading across a bit of space for a while. I think it's mostly centered around Reed in command of the Intrepid and Section 31 Trip working to destroy them before they invade Federation space.

>>52570278
To be fair, if I recall, they were pretty explicit in that they could only get Generic Cast Member back because he hadn't been plugged in too long, everyone else was essentially dead wetware by then. I can't really fault her for not reacting to a Vulcan left in such a state.

>>52570278
I think he was Romulan. At the time, they were planning to reveal that T'Pol was half Romulan so I could see why she'd explicitly avoid him.

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Since no-one called it shit last thread, I am going to repost this to give everyone another opportunity to do so:

What I would do to carry on the setting if not following STO's story:
Focus on space-politics, with room for a bit of action.

Following the events of Star Trek 2009's destruction of Romulus (as the last on-screen canon events of the prime timeline), the biggest crises would be the massive power shift following that. The theme for the Romulans right from the start was if they were not driven to be enemies of the Federation, it's possible they could be friends. However they're not good at making friends even with continuing improvements in relations seen before that and following the Dominion War.

Lacking the kind of beat-down Cardassia had, the Romulan people still have a lot of pride despite having to go so far as to call for Federation aid through Spock (who was seen as very dangerous by his supporters and detractors for his reform efforts). The destruction of the core of their empire's population and fleet yards has a massive effect. The leadership and most of the fleet could easily have escaped the destruction but their legitimacy and ability to hold on to power is greatly in question, the core facilities are gone and the empire is thrown into chaos.

The Federation is attempting to deal with a continuing mess that extends far beyond their boarders and the Romulans. Having lead the coalition to victory they're stuck in a role of mediators and peacekeepers amongst the victors, the shadow of the Dominion War is decades long. Star Fleet whilst not engaged in full scale war, is still stretched thin attempting to deal with the ongoing situation, including an influx of those wanting UFP protection/membership, including those that are technically in rebellion against powers the UFP is on ok terms with, which is more than a bit politically inconvenient.

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>>52571032
This is a war-hardened, somewhat more inward-looking UFP, but still keeping to the ideals. Yet having to be restrained since they're having trouble with what they have, even without external pressures. It's the Superman dilemma; they have massive power but quite simply cannot be everywhere they're needed any more, and they still need to look after themselves. The Star Fleet is massive, yet still not enough to do everything. And perhaps it can't ever be enough on it's own. Unconventional methods clash hard with traditional idealists and proponents of military strength and expansion. Outright war is not on the horizon, but that doesn't make it peaceful by any means.

The Klingons would be fucking loving the Romulan's situation. However with Martok's chancellorship they're likely to be somewhat restrained from all-out invasion. Elements of internal conflict there as the classic, gradually self-destructive, greedy empire struggles against the attempts of Martok to restructure in a way to limit the individual power of the houses to make war, similar to the Tokugawa Shogunate.

And with the long-standing resentment between Klingons and Romulans, the Chancellor is very hard pressed to restrain those great houses that have not yet been brought under central control from constantly making trouble (read: they've gone off viking) for the Romulans and for his regime.

The Cardassians are in extended rebuilding, still not too UFP-friendly (they did fight and lose a major war, but many think they deserved it at this point) but are not antagonistic. They're equivalent to post-WW2 Germany if there were no Soviets on the doorstep. There are a lot of smaller powers are always ready to nibble at the fringes of their space, leading to UFP intervention to try and prevent dozens of brushfire wars, not at all always successfully.

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>>52571083
The Breen retreated in fear of reprisals that never came following the war, and suffer much internal upheaval despite the lack of invading armies on the doorstep. What comes out of the end of it could easily be a major plot development if they chose to assert their position.

The Ferengi... remain the Ferengi, though have moved into a slightly different model than their unrestrained free-agent capitalism. There's more central state control through incentives, greed is tempered with a bit more responsibility towards those that provide (in the name of increased productivity through healthier, happier workers). They're not going socialist, but after Rom's short-lived tenure as Grand Nagus lead to outright uprisings and violence from all angles, things have calmed down with a shift in the status-quo mediating things back to a workable norm.

The Borg are a non-threat for now. They're the kind of villain that needs to be saved for OH SHIT factor, which they lost pretty much all of with Voyager.

The Dominion are dealing with their own mess. Actually outright losing a war yet not getting exterminated as they fully expected (their enemy even preventing their demise) has lead to a lot of self-reflection amongst the Changelings. But suffice to say: they will adapt. One big upset isn't going to radically change the course for them, but it will cause a change in approach.
Their future may not lay in wholesale violent conquest, certainly not in the Alpha Quadrant anyway given the massive strategic weak-point the Wormhole was and the capabilities of their opposition. Contact will certainly be maintained though.

But with the advent of the Quantum Slipstream drive, they won't be sufficiently isolated forever.

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Speaking of STO, updating is over and new featured episode is here.

>>52570292
Incidently, those novels - the Rise of the Federation - are fantastic, and should all be read.

>>52571947
This fills me with nothing but dread

>>52571947
Wait, is Sela psychic? That's exactly from my captain and I would say.

>>52572751
IT'S TEMPORAL SHIT BUBBLES TIME!
No Daniels no!

>>52571947
I'm not sure why, but I found the whole mission oddly sentimental.

>>52573330
Yeah, it wasn't bad. An actually...good note for her to end up on. She even apologized for instinctually barking orders at one point.

>>52568699
>Enterprise being canon for anything

The older I get, the less I'm willing to be "fair" about this.

>>52571155
>The Breen retreated in fear of reprisals that never came following the war, and suffer much internal upheaval despite the lack of invading armies on the doorstep

Why? The Breen are portrayed as hard, cold, and disciplined motherfuckers. They wouldn't lose their heads or fumble about. Also, the Klingons would at least consider raiding Breen space where they could, especially without the empire to stop them.

>>52575977

Yeah, the Breen would probably realize that the Federation is in no shape to launch a punitive expedition, especially not against a faction that entered the war so late and is probably still in decent shape.
They'd probably set up a show of force at their borders and wait for the Feddies to make some diplomatic overtures.
Who knows, after the dust has settled and Starfleet is stretched thin, they might even test out how many liberties they can take with the Federation without causing serious opposition.

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>>52575977
I'd say it's more political upheavals rather than violent, they were on the losing side of a war and did directly piss off the UFP by attacking Earth directly, when previously they'd merely been somewhat hostile but withdrawn. Then they had their one tech advantage countered within a few months, which means a big upheaval in their ship design as their wonder-weapon was simply worked around. A series of choices which seemed logical at the time turned out to be very bad given the results, and that's going to inevitably cause them concern and a lot of reflection on the lessons of the entire affair, all the successes and failures. Changes of leadership in many core positions could change their character if not radically, at least noticeably.

Fear of reprisals is only sensible, as the smart thing to do would have been to neuter their warmaking capacity. But with the UFP war-weary, the political will to drive it isn't there. But. I do think Klingons absolutely would be raiding them (and probably more than a few very angry Cardassians and the Romulans too, up to a point), however with Martok at the helm I think he'd be against an all-out war following the losses incurred previously. He'd use it to wear down the more rebellious houses by giving them a decent target that can fight back, but since the Breen did lose a lot of ships in the war, and their major advantages of strategic surprise and the ship-disabling weaponry, are not in a position to go to war, which would in turn force Martok to commit the forces he would be attempting to marshal to institute a more centralised control, taking the Empire back to it's TOS/TMP era form in many ways, but with the honour culture still present.

Narratively, the Breen are there to provide a bit of a wildcard for the future. Once things have calmed down for them, they could be in a very interesting position to exploit power vacuums and join in continued opposition to the UFP and others.

>>52575758
It's that or space dildoes.

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OY VEY!

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>>52578386
I don't even know how to respond to that to be honest.

>>52576369
Image if the Breen started making Jem'Hadar.

>>52576549
>A series of choices which seemed logical at the time turned out to be very bad given the results, and that's going to inevitably cause them concern and a lot of reflection on the lessons of the entire affair, all the successes and failures.

They sided with the guy they thought was going to win, but they ended up not winning. Of the six main powers of the war, the Breen probably suffered the least by far. Furthermore, they seem like a pretty intractable and The only "lesson" they would have learned is to fear the Federation, and that only takes about a generation to forget.

Thankyou to whichever one of you recommended the Garak novel to me a couple threads back. I just finished it and I must say I'm surprised with how engaging it was.

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>>52579173
Fearing the Federation is a good lesson to last for just a generation, gives them opportunity to come back in a big way later.

Being on the losing side of a war, even though they didn't lose any territory that we know of, they did get promised a hell of a lot, and the Dominion used them. That's going to end some careers of high-ups no matter how they spin it, and cause change. Even if that change is just same old shit, but never that one thing again. For long enough for people to forget that one thing was supposed to change.

In story terms that lets there be a bit of an exploration of them as a people, since the Breen are if going by on-screen appearances only, really fucking mysterious. It also lets them remain mysterious until they reappear, just a few mentions here and there and some bits of action with skirmishing against Klingons, Romulans, and a few other rogues. There's plenty of potential in having them as a minor villain that could still be incredibly dangerous just due to their not losing much from the war.

>>52580090
The Breen are one of very few races that are portrayed as irredeemable pricks. Even mainstay villains, like the Cardassians, are shown to be humanisable. The Breen never show even a modicum of remorse or pity.

I suppose their design lends itself towards dehumanisation. Masked, uniformed creatures with a language so different that even the universal translator struggles to render it intelligible.

>>52580750
>irredeemable pricks

Which is great, good to have a couple of those around for contrast even in Star Trek. They do present problems though in including them in setting development. Remove any of the mystery, make them understandable in motives beyond being pure assholes... and they have lost everything they had and what comes in its place better be fucking great. This keeps them fairly incidental. Their inclusion in the Dominion war as latecomer allies in it to capitalise on another's victory is about as good as I think they can be done without quite easily spoiling everything. Not good for a main villain, really handy for odd incidents and supporting roles.

>>52580050
A Stitch in Time? Not the guy who recomended it, but yeah, Robinson did a pretty fantastic job with it. Definitely meshes well with everything we see of Garak in the series.

>>52575758
Fortuitously, it isn't up to you.

>>52578813
The Corps of Engineers books are pretty tongue-in-cheek. Not quite parody, but very much taking inspiration from episodes like "The Trouble With Tribbles" or "A Piece of the Action" more than anything. Or Star Trek IV, I suppose.

The sillier (and generally better, in my opinion) part of Star Trek.

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>>52582905
I actually bought that book in >>52578386 because of the description (used book store, not new, hell no), along with one of the earlier anthologies. Takes place well before the Destiny garbage, so that's nice. Short stories and novellas too, so there isn't the hemming, hawing, and overdrawn issues you get in the proper novels. A bit of libtardation, but nothing distracting so far. Also, a grumpy tellarite, and a blue spider-thing that sounds like she'd be pretty moe.

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>>52582905
Remind me a lot of TAS, desu. Silly in a totally serious way. Usually.

>>52582905
I'm not a fan of them because it irritates me that the Corps of Engineers has them running around using a Saber, rather than literally any other class of ship.

>>52581273
Apparently Robinson wrote a lot of it as a journal to assist in his characterisation of Garak. Pretty great, all in all.

>>52585702
Why not a Sabre? she's a perfectly serviceable ship.

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>>52587136
Not that guy but the Sabre is a small patrol vessel, doesn't seem like it has the appropriate tonnage for hauling all the cargo and stuff that an Engineering focused team would need. Something more on the order of an Excelsior or larger, tricked out with better engines, hauling a giant replicator, maybe even an entire extra reactor for serious power output, Galaxy-class tier tractor beams, deflector and ton of cargo space seems more appropriate.
They're basically disaster management so it comes off like they got stuck in a small van when really they'd need a full fire engine.

Actually a slightly modified Galaxy-class engineering hull, no saucer section would basically be perfect in my eyes. All the useful bits, none of the excess.

>>52587686
You could easily turn a Sabre into an engineering support ship. All she is is a hull with an unusual shuttlebay, her interior is entirely at the discretion of her build team and Starfleet command. Given that she's more or less the same size as a Miranda, I don't see why she couldn't be repurposed as deemed necessary.

>>52585702
Could be worse. Could be a Norway class.

>>52587686
I always imagined them as the type to tool around in a Nebbie, or more likely an old Excelsior or Ambassador mad max'd up to the eyeballs in improvised repairs and """improvements"""

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>>52587982
You could. However, it's like the weirdness of when the Defiant was being used for science stuff. Technically capable but other than for production reasons... why?

Thematically it makes more sense to have a vessel that appears more fitting. Ships are characters after all. Sabre is small and fighty looking, an engineering ship should be more chunky and irregular. Like Scotty once he got fat.

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>>52587996
...You have a point.

>>52587136
This >>52587686 basically. Plus they've got a crew of like 30 people on board, which, even with the fact that Starfleet's engineers are miracle workers, is not enough manpower.

>>52587982
The model is closer to a corvette/light destroyer in size, rather than the Miranda's pocket cruiser.

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>>52588239
>Destroyer
>Diplomacy Enhanced

>>52588383
That does seem to fall back to being Starfleet's negotiating tactic of choice, as seen in Insurrection with the Enterprise-E being send on diplomacy missions in the middle of the Dominion War...with one of the most advanced warships in the fleet.

Alright, /stg/, since we've been bouncing ideas back and forth about how we'd do the novels and/or STO, here's a challenge for you all: how would you """fix""" one of the infamously atrocious Trek episodes? The tough part is, you can't just tear it down and start from the top - you have to keep what made it awful, but pull off an episode that's at least mildly amusing through the execution.

BEGINNER
TNG: Shades of Grey
>Clip show: compulsory
>Shitty excuses about Riker's infection: optional

EASY
>ENT: These Are The Voyages
>Sudden fast-forward to late pre-UFP/early UFP era: compulsory
>"it's a hologram": compulsory
>Shitty "moral dilemma" and insertion into an "ehhhh" TNG episode: optional

MEDIUM
DS9: Profit and Lace
>Crossdressing Ferengi: compulsory
>Ferengeminists: compulsory
>Everything else: optional

HARD
TOS: Spock's Brain
>The line "Brain! And brain! What is brain?!" : compulsory
>The initial premise: compulsory
>Everything else: optional

GODMODE
VOY: Threshold
>Warp 10 barrier "attempt": compulsory
>Shitty shuttle: compulsory
>Shitty engineering explanation: compulsory
>Paris and Janeway have an "incident": compulsory
>Bullshit psuedoscience magic that means it doesn't work properly: compulsory
>Bullshit explanation that means they can't get home with it: compulsory

RICK BERMAN MODE
>SPESS LIZARDS: compulsory

If anyone wants to have a go or tweak the conditions, go ahead.

>>52588883
>Warp 10 barrier "attempt": compulsory
Is "warp 10 = infinite speed" compulsory or can we redefine that? Because all you need to do is redefine warp 10, then handwave everything else.

>>52587686
>Not that guy but the Sabre is a small patrol vessel, doesn't seem like it has the appropriate tonnage for hauling all the cargo and stuff that an Engineering focused team would need.
1st: The Saber is not a patrol vessel, at least not any more or less than any other starship we've seen. Besides the Defiant and the Galaxy, we know of no specific "roles" for TNG+ ships. Everything, including the Nebula being a sciency-ship, is fannon. Just because the only time we've seen it is fighting (First Contact, and maybe in the Dominion War scenes) doesn't mean that's its job.
2nd: The SCE team in the novels are mechanics, not construction workers, just like the rest of the engineers we've seen in Trek. They need a tricorder and a tool kit to do their job most of the time, and much of the rest of the time it's a small generator, a set of pattern enhancers, and so on. This is a (small) team of problem-solvers and consultants, and if there's a big construction project or whatever, they contract it out or make the locals do it. It's a small team (not even the whole crew of the ship) so they don't need a big ship, just something big enough to carry their stuff and fast enough in case of emergencies.
>>52588997
The whole point of Warp 10 is that it is infinite speed. And that is literally the whole point of the episode, even if it was treated in a full-retard manner.

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>>52588883
>Shades of Grey
Since I'm not bound by being a TV show that's run out of the season's budget, I include 'clips' of Riker's life before the Enterprise into the mix, alleviating the biggest problem and turning it into an interesting character piece exploring Riker's earlier life, more of his relationship with Troi, his dad, the loss of his mother, some time he spent on his previous assignments (I think he worked with both Geordie and Pulaski at some point before being on the Enterprise?).

>These are the Voyages
Remove TNG episode, pull a Babylon 5 season 4 ending in that it's documentation by future historians. Just do everything better, don't kill characters, happy endings for all (more or less) and HAVE THE DAMN SPEECH ARCHER WAS GOING TO GIVE AND MAKE IT FUCKING GREAT.

>Profit and Lace
Remove farce. Make the horrific levels of sexism actually intimidating. Go through it with consultants to cover angles I probably won't get because I'm not a woman or transgender. Have Dax/Kira as serious influences on Quark not fucking Rom and Lyta (he's always liked very strong women despite his professed traditional Ferengi values) because damn it, he's a proven to know what he is doing, and is not an amateur. This is a big deal that could make him a hell of a lot of money if he plays it right. The episode should be Quark the cunning with no other option, not Quark the moron surrounded by morons playing for comedy.
It's a preachy episode, there's no way to remove that from the basic premise, might as well try and get it 'right'. And fuck that 'some people are ok with sexual harassment' ending..

>Spock's Brain
I ironically enjoy this episode as something of a self-parody that is still way better than the actual genuinely bad episodes of TOS like The Apple.

>Threshold
I... Fuck this one is going to need a while.

>>52589864
*I unironically enjoy that should be.

It's played so straight it's brilliant. to make it more comedy or more serious would ruin it

>>52588883
>Shades of Grey
It's a "Lower Decks" type thing where the redshirts and bridge extras are BSing about stuff that happened on their shifts, trying to one-up each other.
>TATV
It's Tom and Harry doing one of their date nights, and Harry picked the program.
>Profit and Lace
Play it completely straight, like a normal episode. And then have Yakity Sax during the chase scene.
>Spock's Brain
They just cart Spock around on a cart - most of the badness is from walking him around like a remote-controlled toy. And also all the natives are cavemen, not just the males.
>Threshold
It turns out this method has been tried before - it's not original Tommy Stu. Some part of the method causes humans to mutate (not "evolve") into salamanders (other ayys turn into other types of salamanders, or just die), and this is known. Saint Tom, though, thinks he has a way to fix it so that doesn't happen. But, just this once, his hubris bites him in the ass, and he turns into a salamander too. However, because it's Tom, the process is reversible this time because particles or something. The whole time Paris and Janeway are perfectly aware of their actions, but can do nothing to control them, and therefore it's decided that it's too horrifying a method to use to get home. Also for some reason Paris's method can't be scaled up to Voyager, so everyone would be permanently salamanders anyways.

>>52588883
Will post one for threshold in a bit, I posted a short fix last thread but I've since thought it out further. Need to get back to my laptop before I can fully detail it.

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Behold my flashlight of doom!

>>52590970
Get a Breen shield on that shit and then screenshot it at high warp.

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>>52591099
I don't have that, but im gonna give you the next best thing.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DYE3nm9voUk

>>52589760
>The whole point of Warp 10 is that it is infinite speed. And that is literally the whole point of the episode, even if it was treated in a full-retard manner.
Thing is, the episode's main premise would work just as fine if it was any other "threshold." The basics are "Tom does a thing that nobody else does, it fucks him up, he kidnaps Janeway and fucks her up too, the crew discovers them and unfucks them, tech doesn't work because they don't want everyone to get fucked up, everyone laughs at the end." That "threshold" being infinite speed is actually an ultimately irrelevant part of the episode.

- Warp 10 is defined as an arbitrary speed wherein conventional post-Excelsior warp drives have a power drain approaching infinity.
- Voyager encounters a species with more advanced warp tech and tries to adapt that tech to Voyager.
- The process creates weird-ass mutating radiation, turning Tom and Janeway into salamanders.
- Once they're un-salamandered and all the kinks are worked out, it's actually applied to Voyager just fine. It just shave a couple decades off their trip because they can go faster, instead of being able to send them to Earth instantaneously.

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>>52591290
Cruising at steady transwarp 12.34.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U4WiyxXpyZc

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>>52591317
Wonder if i could melt a cruisers hull with these warp trails...

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>>52591351
Bet they didn't even notice me zipping past em!

>>52588997
>>52589760
>>52589864
>>52590355
Probably should've made things clearer - addendums to the rule-y stuff:

TNG: SoG
>Still has to be a clip show in the sense the original was, you just have to find a better excuse to be flashing back and forth to old footage

ENT: TATV
>The "muh historical record" has to be viewed from the setting from another series, but not necessarily TNG
>Archer can make his damn speech, though, because I really wanted that too

VOY: Threshold
>Warp 10 is infinite velocity
>There needs to be a deus ex at the end that sets things right but still stops them from using it to get home

>>52591295
Didn't catch (You) when quoting >>52591391, sorry

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>>52591381
And on my way home, i just transwarp tunnel at transwarp factor 29.99

>>52591290
>>52591317
>>52591351
>>52591381

Try passing through a solar system with the sun behind the camera. It gines much better craft detail.

>>52590355
>>TATV
>It's Tom and Harry doing one of their date nights, and Harry picked the program.
Not him, but this is simple and actually works pretty well.
Bonus points if it's another forced-but-heartwarming "Best Girl couldn't care less about humanity but by the credits she wants to be a real girl" episode

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>>52591475
Sure, one last pic.

Damn, that was harder than i thought, had to take multiple pictures and pass the sun several times till the glitchy game gave me a shot with the ship and not just a warp trail flying by itself

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>>52591554
Well hell, one more for the road.

This time without any of those fancy future technologies strapped on it.

>>52591554
Why the hell is the cockpit glowing like that?

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>>52591391
Well in that case, the end of the episode reveals that none of the warp tech shenanigans actually worked, the entire incident was staged by an advanced alien as an experiment to see how humans would react to encountering what they believed to be an impossibility. The rest of the episode is written with that in mind.

I seriously can't think of any other asspull that would make the episode better while still holding onto the core premise. At least with this you can rewrite it into a "charting the unknown possibilities of existence" story.

>>52591391
How are you supposed to fix anything when bound to the core problems without being able to at least alter said problems in a way that makes them better? There's only so much that can be done to polish a turd. If anything making them better written just makes them overall worse through sheer frustration of keeping the fucktarded parts in their entirety.

Threshold is already that. Apart from the premise, it's a solidly mediocre episode where the performances and dialog for the most part work just fine. Change the Warp 10 crap to some bullshit anomaly Paris runs into and gets mutated by, and it's not nearly as bad an episode because the stupidity is at least in line with the expected kind that Voyager had on a regular basis.

>>52591817
Because there is no deflector array on that thing and that light is supposed to come out of that thing.

>>52591391
>>52591820
>>52591883
I've been having a go at Threshold for a bit, and although I'm going to dump the lizard shit, how does this sound:

>The whole "Warp 10 is infinite speed" thing still goes on
>Instead of "we found go-faster dilithium", they made some kinda engineering breakthrough where they've developed a meta-stable warp shell (or some shit like that) that won't tear apart at that kind of speed
>Paris tries it out for a few low-power runs, seems promising
>For the proper test, Janeway insists on being there and shit
>sanic.mp3
>They keep going
>They keep going faster
>They can't stop going faster
>The shell is too stable to shut down, and they just keep accelerating
>They pass through Borg space
>They pass into the AQ
>They pass Earth
>They still keep accelerating
>Eventually, at the limits of their instruments, the shuttle itself is breaking apart at the molecular/atomic/quantum scale
>Just as it's about to undergo critical existence failure, Paris and Janeway wake up on a road in a rather suspiciously familiar-looking desert
>By the standards of the Q Continuum, they just invented the wheel
>getoffmylawn.wav
>They suddenly get bamf'd back onto Voyager possibly as lizards, without the shuttle (and all of Tom's work) nowhere to be seen.
>They don't exactly remember what happened, but figure it's probably not a good idea to try it again.

tl;dr: Tau Zero, but with a De Lancie Ex Machina. How did I do?

>>52591883
>There's only so much that can be done to polish a turd.
>If anything making them better written just makes them overall worse through sheer frustration of keeping the fucktarded parts in their entirety.
I feel like that's the point, anon.

>>52592131
...That would actually be a good premise.

>>52592131
>Tau Zero, but with a De Lancie Ex Machina
Huh. Seems to be the perfect Voyager formula of a great premise, disastrous writing and development, and an execution almost good enough to salvage it. I rate Annorax/10

>>52592131
That would have been a good or at least better episode.

I dare say it would actually have been entertaining. It would have given Q a reason to be interested in Voyager beyond "by random chance we ran into a funny looking rock containing one of them".

The Q could have been a lingering and subtle game of spot the Easter Egg after that until they show up properly a few seasons later. Just odd shit in the background like an old family photo in the background that has an extra figure in a red star fleet uniform in it in one scene and not the next as an example. Sort of Christopher Eccleston season Dr Who with the Bad Wolf but first.

>>52590355
>>Shades of Grey
>It's a "Lower Decks" type thing where the redshirts and bridge extras are BSing about stuff that happened on their shifts, trying to one-up each other.

This would be the greatest Trek episode of all time.

Use only redshirts and extras, add the obligatory clips, and mix it all with the thinking behind Something Awful's Blue Stripe Logs.

Start with peons grousing in their tiny crowded berthing compartments. One brings up some famous incident and we see the clip. Another asks if everyone wants to know what REALLY happened and we get a vignette showing the same incident in which the main crew is at their absolute, smug, asinine, insufferable worst and only succeeds through shit blind luck.

Another peon says "That's nothing, remember this?" We get a clip and then the real story. You can probably get 3 or 4 vignettes into a standard episode's length.

Think of it as Rashomon meets Star Trek.

>>52592597
Huh, you're right - I forgot how early on Threshold was, but Q easter eggs would've linked into that and set up the later episodes super well.

>>52590970
Okay, I guess Im stupid, And havent followed STO at all in a while, but how did you get a flyable Phoenix?

>>52590359
>>52588883
After, no joke, deleting my entire scenario by accident, here it is:

Paris and Torres sift through a number of new acquisitions from friendly alien traders. Paris becomes fixated with a particular piece of propulsion tech that could seemingly solve one of the longest enduring problems that Starfleet has faced.

Paris presents his case to the senior officers. Within the post-Cochranian model, warp 10 is a functionally infinite speed, allowing for instantaneous travel anywhere in the universe. The issue faced by Starfleet is overcoming the instability of higher warp bands. As the logarithmic warp scale increases, so too do the subspace eddies associated with warp travel.

Eventually, Janeway agrees to allow Paris to test out this new technology in a shuttle. Starfleets present warp speed record is 9.95. If he can breach that, he will be allowed to attempt further test flights.

Paris accelerates through warp factors with ease, breaking the 9.95 limi. However his shuttle continues to accelerates and seems to disappear from realspace for a short period of time before reappearing, adrift. Janeway has Paris transported to sickbay. An inspection of the shuttle shows that the internal sensors clocked an acceleration of infinite magnitude. Warp 10.

>>52593633
Paris seems to have been exposed to a far-beyond-lethal amount of chronoton radiation, seemingly separating him from linear reality. He now experiences all versions of reality simultaneously. The doctor believes he will die very soon but can't develop a cure for him. The captain takes it upon herself to stay with Paris as he approaches death.

Paris becomes increasingly irritable, blaming Janeway for his impending death. The captain accepts blame, but even this enough. With blinding speed, a maddened, multi-corporeal Paris breaches his containment, disables the doctor and accosts Janeway. The captain awakes onboard the shuttle, as Paris accelerates them toward warp 10.

The pair of them materialise within a multiverse of possibilities. Paris shows Janeway the horrifying improbability of her decision. in 99.9999% of all realities, humanity never founds the federation. Within 99.9999% again, the Voyager is never stranded in the delta quadrant. Worse still, in all but a mathematically unchartable number of realities, Voyager never returns home. Paris proclaims Janeway a butcher before their spell within the multiverse comes to an end.

Both of them wake in sickbay, hours later. The doctor and Tuvok have found a way to dissipate the chronoton radiation within their cells. After an awkward confrontation, Paris begins talking about refining the process. Before he can continue, TUvok interrupts. Neither he nor the captain ever truly breached the warp 10 barrier. Rather than reaching a higher band of subspace, the shuttle simply ceased existing within the universe. Seemingly there is some sort of previously unknown barrier between traditional warp and infinite velocity.

Without the capacity to safely accelerate through this new band of "trans-warp", warp 10 will be unattainable. (setting up the discovery of slipstream drive later on.)

>>52593588
Well im just using a hologram generator on my runabout.

The generator was a gift from a first contact day event where you had to build mini-phoenix and then race it against other players.
By doing this you got a holographic bust of Zefram cochrane which you could turn in for some dilithium, marks, deployable phoenix mini rocket (ground only) and the hologram generator which works in combat too and never runs out of charges.

The bad news? The event ended yesterday.

>>52593656
Of course it did...FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU

>>52593688
Yeah, wouldn't have matteredif you had come around yesterday, or the daybefore or the day before the day before, because you needed 4 of those things to get the thing.
Now i guess your hope is going to rest on a phoenix box, whenever those come around again.

Nice work getting dubs constantly btw.

>>52593714
Well its not like I'm trying to get dubs.

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>>52593809
I think it's worn off now.

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>>52593818
Yea.

oh hey, Wikipedia's article on Yesterday's Enterprise is the current new featured article.

>>52591290
Pretty metal

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>walk back tac balance fixes
>nerf torps and science

>>52595723
Huh. Fitting.

>>52596591
Amazing. Torpedoes were already useless.

Remember that time the Klingons wanted to get Worf extradited to them based on nothing more than, "He looks and acts like a Klingon, therefore he should be subject to Klingon law,"?

>>52599611
That was one of the odder courtroom episodes. It also apparently got retconned by First Contact, when Worf was given a command.

>>52599633
>It also apparently got retconned by First Contact, when Worf was given a command.

Didn't First Contact happen after the Dominion War?

>>52596591
I thought they hadn't even implemented those balance changes yet.

>>52599650
Right, but Sisko flat out said Worf would never get his own command and then he got one.

>>52599793
But the end of the episode, Sisko said, "Just wait until you get four pips on that collar," or something to that effect.

>>52599650
>>52599793
>>52599887
First Contact was before the Dominion War. It happened right when the uniforms switched on DS9 (because they had all those uniforms from the film, and didn't want to get rid of them). This was during the time fake-Bashir was on the station.
The thing that would likely prevent Worf from getting his own command wasn't the thing with the freighter, but when he saved Jadzia instead of the Cardassian defector, showing that he valued personal relationships more than the mission, or something like that.

>>52599948
Wasn't the Defiant destroyed in First Contact?

>>52600001
No, it was just heavily damaged. A week in drydock fixed it.

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>>52599709
>I thought they hadn't even implemented those balance changes yet.
They've been testing on the test server for a few weeks now; these new changes are from yesterday.
>>52599650
>>52599948
>>52600001
>>52600063
To be more specific, First Contact happens between episodes 8 and 9 of S5 of DS9 (and between 10 and 11 of S3 of Voyager, but who cares about that?). They get the new uniforms in episode 10 of S5, which was "Rapture".

>>52599793
He never said that. He chewed out Worf for firing on a ship he hadn't identified, and said he got lucky. But after that he turned around and said one day he'd make one hell of a captain.

>>52600148
You'd think the people back on DS9 would spend more time talking to Worf about that time his friends met Zefram fucking Cochrane.

>>52600612
To be fair, Worf was (for obvious reasons) on the Enterprise almost the entire time, so most of the story he could tell would be about killing Borg in the corridors and on the outside of the hull. Which, admittedly, sounds like the kind of thing Worf would gladly tell tales about.

>>52599948
Fuck's sake, this is some seriously incurable autism right here.
I'm so proud of you, anon.

Whoops, >>52601030 was meant to be aimed at >>52600148

why did they have worf and troi get together only for riker to marry her later after getting worf'd

>>52601096
Because being an empath in a relationship with somebody who's emotional range consists solely of anger, honor and regret is probably very unpleasant.

>>52601096
because it was trying to be a fucking soap in space sometimes and that fit the bill.

>>52601317
Which would have been holy shit levels of fucking awful considering Roddenberry's "nobody has personal conflicts" vision of the UFP.

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"Geordi, I was wondering something."
"Why don't we have a backup warp core?"

>>52600532

Wrong episode.

Dax and Worf are out on some shithole jungle planet infested with jem'hadar, looking to rescue a Cardassian defector with valuable war intel. Dax gets shot, Worf saves her life instead of the defector's. Thousand of Starfleet personal are thereby put at risk and probably get killed as a result.

No command for Worf. He's a fuckup.

>>52568087
Does anybody want to start a Star Trek RP maybe on /tg/?

>>52601967
you mean like a table top D&D/rouge trader kind of thing?

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>>52601928
Don't they actually have one but it's stored in parts in a cargo bay somewhere?

>>52601967
Theoretically yes but I'd have serious reservations about doing that with this thread's population. Earlier efforts have not exactly had good results.

>>52601958
What grinds me about that episode is that would have been good place kill off Dax character as her actress had allready expressed her desire to leave the series by then. Would have made good drama on Worf doubting himself because he left the woman he loved die.

>>52602916
>>52601967

Last time there were only a couple people that showed an active interest. I doubt the numbers would be any greater this time.

>>52602594
I find the "deflated volleyball" shape of main hull to be so strange.

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>>52603227
I'm pretty sure she didn't want to leave the series, just have her role cut down to something more on the lines of every few episodes. Her leaving was a case of no other option. The joining the other show happened pretty much out of the blue, wasn't a set up role, was just within a very short time of leaving she got the offer of the role and took it.

I've also heard that Berman was sexually harassing her and she didn't tell anyone because Behr in all likelihood would have ripped him more than just a new asshole and ended up fucking the show through inevitable prosecutions

>>52603348
Sounds about right, honestly. Fucking Berman.

>>52603348

As much as alot of Berman bashing is justified considering how much he is responsible for Voyager and Enterprise being what they where.

I don't think that last part is true. I mean the first season TNG and what went on there is pretty much common knowledge among Trek fan , but I don't think I have heard the same things about Berman before your post.

>>52599793
It was after the "Dax almost dies in the jungle" ep that Worf was told by Sisko that he'd probably never get his own command.

Even that was a "probably".

>>52600628
Eh, most of those borg were former starfleet personnel. Puts a bit of a damper on the glory (at least, it would for Worf, I'd think).

>>52603808
It's in The 50 Year Mission apparently:

Terry Farrell:
"The problems with my leaving were with Rick Berman. In my opinion, he’s just very misogynistic. He’d comment on your bra size not being voluptuous. His secretary had a 36C or something like that, and he would say something about “Well, you’re just, like, flat. Look at Christine over there. She has the perfect breasts right there.” That’s the kind of conversation he would have in front of you. I had to have fittings for Dax to have larger breasts. I think it was double-D or something. I went to see a woman who fits bras for women who need mastectomies; I had to have that fitting. And then I had to go into his office. Michael Piller didn’t care about those things, so he wasn’t there when you were having all of these crazy fittings with Rick Berman criticizing your hair or how big your breasts were or weren’t. That stuff was so intense, especially the first couple of years.

I started modelling when I was seventeen, so I was used to comments like that, but it was a different experience for me to be around normal, respectful people. And then he’s my boss.
According to Farrell, when her Deep Space Nine contract was expiring following the end of season six, she requested that she appear in fewer episodes, noting the sheer number of regular and recurring characters featured on the show, which would allow her to work fewer hours."

>>52604463
Continued cos of character limit:

"Basically he was trying to bully me into saying yes. He was convinced that my cards were going to fold and I was going to sign up. He had [another] producer come up to me and say, “If you weren’t here, you know you’d be working at Kmart.” I was, like, “What the hell are you talking about? I had a career before this. Why the hell would I be working at Kmart? Who are you?” Just to be jerky, he’d call me in my trailer: “Have you been thinking about it yet? Are you going to sign?” Like, right before I had a scene. It was that kind of thing. Rick Berman said I was hardballing him, and I was, like, “I’m not. I just want to have a conversation. You’re giving me a take-it-or-leave-it offer and I’m not okay with that.” So I finally did have a conversation with him and asked to cut down my number of episodes or just let me out."

Ira Steven Behr:
"Let’s put it this way: if I had known what was going on, I would have stopped it. There is no doubt in my mind, because that opened a whole can of worms, and I learned more than I wanted to know what was happening under my nose and behind my back of things that were going on. I would have walked over to the Cooper Building and in one conversation I would have stopped that from happening, but everyone chose not to tell me for various reasons. Including, as I found out, to protect me from having to get in someone’s face and what that would mean for my position and stuff like that. And I said that was all ridiculous."

>>52604476
No wonder she always seemed depressed. I thought it was just bad acting.

>>52604463
Ah allright haven't read that book. That kinda hardballing is odd considering how large the cast of DS9 was and Dax role wasn't really that big. Also Berman ordering it explains why both Dax and Kira had noticebla big breasts in DS9.

>>52605056
>Also Berman ordering it explains why both Dax and Kira had noticebla big breasts in DS9.
Plus let's be honest here, Jeri Ryan was not hired for her acting ability. We happened to dodge a bullet by getting a good actress who happened to have a smocking hot body, but that was a lucky break.

>>52603295
In fairness, the only thing we've really had in /stg/s is about 40 attempts at YtA, most of which were ruined by torpedoposting. I'd be up for it, though.

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Post yfw you didn't fall for the Axanar meme

>>52605121
It's funny, I saw some of the early Seven episodes and was thoroughly unimpressed with Jeri Ryan's acting.

...Years later I'd decided for the hell of it to watch a few of the later Voyager episodes that I'd never bothered to watch before, and then I'm seeing Ryan absolutely fucking *nailing* Robert Picardo's Doctor mannerisms. God damn, the emotionless girl shit was capping some talent.

>>52605648
This always happens whenever there's an "emotionless" character; Vulcans, androids, Borg, and so on. That's because the actor needs to be really good at the subtle mannerisms, so when they finally get the chance to not being emotionless they end up being really fucking good. Happened with Nimoy, happened with Spiner, happened with Russ, happened with Ryan, honestly even happened with Blalock.

>>52605518
Ah sure fuck it, yeah let's give it a bash. Any suggestions for what game to play?

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>>52605703
hungry hungry hippos

>>52592131
>>52592592
>>52592597
A little late, but holy shit we need to fund this. Hell, done well, it probably could've been one of the better Voy episodes too

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>>52605647
Obligatory.

>>52605647
What happened? I know Paramount were trying to outdo Geedubs at their whole McCopyright game, but what's going on now?

>>52605121

Let's not forget the absolute insane shit Jeri Ryan went through on VOY. In particular, the corset she had the wear that was specifically engineered to prevent her nipples and camel toe from being visible through Seven's catsuit.

>>52605951
tl;dr: they're either committing over a million dollars worth of fraud, or are so grossly incompetent that they merely look like they're committing over a million dollars worth of fraud.

http://www.bjornmunson.com/2017/04/08/crisis-of-infinite-star-treks-the-naked-greed-time/

>>52606456
Hahahaha holy fuck this is even more fucked than Mighty No. 9.

>>52605951
They dun fucked up. A lot. Despite claiming they knew what they were doing.

>>52606456
This.

However, CBS was also not exactly lenient about it, and didn't just hit Axanar with their 'solution', which is that fan films need to look more shitty and have fuck all run time. So we all kinda lost in the long run. Well, if you gave any care about fan films that is. And I kinda suddenly did for a bit when the mini documentary about Axanar showed that they didn't need to look like crap any more given the shit available to amateurs now in terms of production equipment, props and effects rendering. The restriction on actors who have worked on Star Trek in the past is also a bit of a kicker, as tons of them seem to love revisiting characters or just having something to do with Star Trek despite what's almost certainly fuck all to no pay.

So I'm kind of sad that it both happened and ended like this as it seemed for a bit that we might get decent amateur productions without shit actors and shit effects at last. But also fuck the Axanar guys for pushing it too damn far purely for their own selfishness.

>>52606304
And the bullying by Kate Mulgrew.

>>52606695
Was that continuous? I had thought it was only during her original introduction period.

>>52608020
I'd read that it was fairly constant because they still had to, essentially, share the limelight...you know, despite the fact that Janeway got alot better when she had Seven to play off of.

>>52604463
>>52604476

That's really sad to hear.

Jadzia Dax was a fantastic character and Terry Farrell knocked the role straight out of the park.

So STC is still producing episodes despite CBS' new restrictions. What's the story there?

>>52608429
I agree on Terry Farrell knocking the role out of the park, but aside from her Jadzia the character really didn't have much going for her. Ezri was a much more compelling character, and it's a shame all her characterization and development had to get condensed into half a season.

>>52609010
I think they were ones already in the pipeline and, I believe, that their production has friends at CBS. The fact that they didn't try to release a full movie and make a production studio from fan money while making the movies might also factor in.

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Learning about the behind the scenes stuff of Star Trek is fucking depressing.

>>52609266
If you want to be really depressed, go look for Michael Piller's book about Insurrection, Fade In. And by look, I mean right here: http://www.mediafire.com/file/0ya4yl829zlx1fh/FadeIn.pdf

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>>52609526
No thanks, dealing with enough shit as it is and don't need more. Someone else can volunteer for that bout of suffering.

Is the second episode of renegades any good?

>>52609053
Early Jadzia was quite annoying. She would I reject herself into other people's crises with some story about one of her previous hosts. I think when they moved towards her being more of a Klingon-weeb, she improved drastically.

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The ENT-styled Daedalus has really grown on me. Fixes a lot of stuff I didn't like about the classic design and yet doesn't look too fancy and advanced I think. I could see this thing using lasers and missiles still. but not looking too goofy, which I think the original suffers from due to the very thin components in places.

>>52611858
>I could see this thing using lasers and missiles still

It's a later design than the NX class, so it'd be using phase cannons or perhaps early phasers and photonic torpedoes.

>>52609526

After reading portions of that piss poor book, I can see why Piller's screenplay also absolutely sucked.

>>52610351
>I think when they moved towards her being more of a Klingon-weeb, she improved drastically.

Yeah, those episodes were fun.

It always bothered me that the Daedalus class is about half the length of the NX class yet apparently carries a little less than 3 times the crew complement.

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>>52614942

Hot bunking with a Tellarite :V

>>52615085
>>52614942
Sharing a communal toilet with Bolians

>>52615085
>>52615112

Having a Vulcan as your """liberty buddy""" while on shore leave at Risa.

>>52614942
It also has a secondary hull, and the primary hull is spherical.

>>52614942
>>52615085
>>52615112
*The following records were discovered on stardate 357986.8, near the Abseron radiation belt. They have been identified as the personal logs of Crewman Yates, of the USS Kursk. Several records are missing, however the remaining data provides an insight into the mysterious fate of the Kursk.*


Entry 1: I’ve just arrived aboard the Kursk. My section head, Lieutenant Kobral gave me my duty roster. Looks like I’m going to be stationed near engineering, which is handy, seeing as my quarters are near there. As for my quarters… well they’re a little snug. I’ve never had to hotbed with 4 other crewmen.

I wouldn’t mind so much if not for the fact that one of them, Crewman Chell, is a Bolian. The smell is… pungent, to say the least. Still, I’m sure everything will work out fine.


Entry 2: I feel so drained. It’s hard to sleep with some many people crammed into the same compartment. You have no idea what that feels like. I’m beginning to think I might be slightly claustrophobic.

At least my work is simple. Security aboard a science ship is fairly tame. We’re not expecting any major incidents.


Entry 3: We had a visit from the captain today. He wanted to make sure that all of the new crewmembers were settling in. It was hard to hear him, what with the constant racket from the engine room. Chief Engineer Bradley tells us that the “old girl” is in dire need of a refit. But the captain seemed aloof, disinterested by our presence. Almost as if he’d rather not be there with us.

It did make me notice something though. He’s the first gold shirt I’ve seen since I came onboard. It seems like everybody in the engineering hull is a red shirt. I guess that makes sense, but still. This crew has a number of “quirks” I have yet to get used to.

>>52615703
Entry 6: I wish they had put some windows on the engineering hull.I’m told there are a couple but I haven’t been able to find them. I spend all my time looking at bulkheads. Sometimes I feel like I’m suffocating. Though that could be down to the smell.


Entry 8: I went to the command hull today. I just needed to see stars. Passing through the neck was like entering a different world. The lights are brighter, the walls cleaner and it’s so much less crowded. And there’s no smell! I made my way to one of their lounges (they have lounges!) and stared out into the void for the longest time. I found it comforting, knowing that there’s something beyond the bulkheads, even if it is emptiness.


When I turned around I realised people were staring at me. They looked almost disgusted. I soon realised why. They were all so clean, in their blue and gold uniforms, where my own was stained with oil and coffee and, if I’m being honest, my own waste. I felt so ashamed that I nearly sprinted back to “my” hull. I don’t think I’ll be going back anytime soon.


Entry 10: The captain made an announcement today. Operations and Security personnel are no longer allowed into the “primary hull” unless on official duty. There’s even a security detail at the neck. Lieutenant Kobral the other officers have been relocated to the command hull. They have even ordered our shuttle scuttled.

I wonder if this is my fault. I was unclean, they saw that. They are punishing us for our uncleanliness. That is right and just.


Entry 20: I haven’t seen an officer in weeks. They relay orders to us through the intercom. We obey, in the hopes that they will forgive us our failings and return to us. We all look up to the Captain, one day he shall be merciful and relent.

>>52615710
Entry 26: I’ve come to love the constant hum of the warp core. Chief Bradley works over it tirelessly. If anyone is worthy of the captain’s mercy, it is him. One day he shall lead us to salvation. We offer him the best food and the prize women (that is, all the ones that haven’t been taken by our Denobulan doctor.)

Bradley is humble. He doesn’t hunger for the sweeter pleasures of life and graciously declines our adoration. All that matters to him is the Engine. Truly, he is worthy.


Entry 35: The Golden ones are displeased. Today they deactivated the food givers, as punishment to some unknown failure. We searched high and low. And then we found him. Petty Officer Girph, a Tellarite, had failed to submit his status update on time, 3 times in a row. How can we prove ourselves worthy when the unclean drag us down?

We brought his remains to the gateway, as an offering, yet still the golden ones would not permit us sustenance. There are more unclean ones amongst us. We must find them. Until then, Girph will sustain us.


Entry 36: How could we be so blind? The golden ones have been patient with us. They expected us to see the obvious affront to their name. Petty Officers. How could one that is not anointed be permitted to bear the name.

We rounded them up and offered them the chance to repent. Many agreed and joined our ranks, as crewmen. But some refused. We offered them once more, at the gateway, The Golden ones have yet to respond.


Entry 37: Bradley has saved us. He has returned the food givers and cleansed us of our wrongdoings. I see now that we were wrong to worship the Golden ones. They were false idols, preying on our loyalty. Bradley has opened my eyes to the truth. There is only one true giver.

The Engine. Bradley is its harbinger and we are its loyal supplicants. We must allow it to ascend and to deliver us to the next plane of existence.

>>52615723
Entry 40: Chell was weak. Bradley has taught me that the Engine is poisoned by weakness. He knows I am strong. He wishes for me to cleanse our ranks of weakness. Chell fought poorly. I should have known he was weak from the beginning. He stank of it.


Entry 43: The weakness is in those that are unlike us. The Aliens. They don’t have the faith. They lack resolve. We have fed them into the lifeblood of the Engine as sacrifice. Their matter now flows through the cleansing flames of the warp plasma. In some ways, I envy them.


Entry 44: The false ones finally came. They tried to stop the holy ascension. But they are few and they are weak. When they opened the gateway, we poured forth. I killed Lieutenant Kobral myself. His betrayal has been cleansed from my soul.

Now we control their false heaven. They shall serve as supplicants or as fuel. Bradley is proud of us. He tells us that the engine is proud also. We celebrate tonight, the false heaven must be made holy.


Entry 45: I guide us now. Bradley has sealed the Engine as we approach the final miracle. I have taken the Golden One’s throne and I lead our holy vessel towards Ascension. Very soon now. Very soon.


*It has been established, by an inestigation team, that the USS Kursk lost antimatter containment on stardate 339966.8 in the Abseron belt. No bodies have been found. The 4 Deadalus class starships still in service have been decommissioned, effective immediately.*

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Another updated take on the Daedalus.

>>52614942
I think that's the NX's fault for being comparatively huge with a tiny complement.

>>52611987
If you're not following the SFM version of the timeline I guess. But >>52603348 appears alongside an SFM Torsk class so I'll go with that instead.

I think that having phasers and photon torpedoes in all but slightly the name was a mistake for Enterprise that really failed to make it seem more primitive. Especially alongside treating the hull polarisation the same as shields.

>>52615703
>>52615710
>>52615723
>>52615731
Well that escalated quickly.

>>52616603
This is why Starfleet started putting Counselors on every ship.

>>52615710
But the crew quarters should all be in the primary hull. That's what it's for...

/thatguy

>>52616825
I think that's the point, the deadalus has such a large crew crammed into such a small space that spilling them out into the Engineering deck is a possibility.

>>52571947
That part of the mission was hilarious.

"I'll kill you and take your ship as a prize for my armada."

Forgotten our last few encounters, Sela?

>>52617293
You could definitely get away with 230 in a Daedalus if it's not supposed to be on long-term missions away from a starbase. Barracks for enlisted, roommates for junior officers and non-coms, small quarters for senior officers, limited rec facilities beyond a gym and mess hall.

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Balls for all.

>>52617328
It should probably just have a smaller crew.

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>>52614942
>>52615284
>>52617227
>>52617328
>novels are canon
Even so, the Daedalus is about 60% the volume of a Connie, so assuming Connie-style crew density and distribution, ~240 crew is very reasonable. NX for some reason had a very small crew density. (Probably because half the crew wasn't security officers, since they didn't anticipate combat and invasions, and it seems like they're lacking in the usual number of science and medical personal as well.)

>>52617476
Oddly I was just thinking I wanted to see a pic of them in combat.

>>52617476
>pic related
((Abrams)) please go

>>52617476
Are those supposed to be escape pods or vertical-launch spatial torpedoes?

>>52619446
Torpedoes given multiple ships are launching I'd say.

Does seem a little odd but I'm not adverse to the idea of the more primitive ships needing a whole lot of tubes to be able to launch an effective barrage. However their positioning seems like they'd be more use in hitting fairly stationary targets (compared to other ships at warp).

>>52619788
The early Starfleet ships used primarily nuclear missiles, so I guess the artist just went for vertical launch systems like a nuc sub.

>>52619828
Given the timeframe they really should be equipped with photonic torpedoes, but one could say these were ships that hadn't been refitted yet, if one goes with the idea that the Daedalus actually pre-dates the NX class.

>>52617476
>NX for some reason had a very small crew density. (Probably because half the crew wasn't security officers, since they didn't anticipate combat and invasions, and it seems like they're lacking in the usual number of science and medical personal as well.)

It could also be that because the NX had less advanced technology than later ships a higher percentage of its space is taken up by the mechanics.

Their warp drive, their gravity generators that didn't always work, their experimental transporter- it was all probably twice the size (and only half as powerful) as the stuff on ships from a generation later.

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>>52619828
Yeah that makes sense.

Actually, I think it could be really neat to see a take on the SFM lineage using the ENT-styled Daedalus as a base up to something like the Phase II Enterprise or another updated take on the original model as a replacement. Put a bit of a modern spin on it instead of being entirely tied to mid-'60s aesthetics.

>>52620320
I REALLY like that design: inline impulse thrust, symmetrical warp field without using hard-to-service Vulcan-type rings, "up" is the acceleration vector...yeah, I prefer the dildo generation: blame my inner aerospace engineer.

>>52620676
As much as I'm a massive slut for hard sci-fi and (at least slightly) realistic design, I have to respectfully disagree - there is a place for aerospace/military/science detail porn, and it is most definitely not Star Trek.

>>52621352
I recognize your opinion, and acknowledge your right to hold it; can we reach a compromise and agree that the Andorian Kumari is pure sex (assuming that the decks are arranged like a skyscraper)

>>52621678
>(assuming that the decks are arranged like a skyscraper)

I doubt they are; antigrav being a thing and all.

>>52621786
>antigrav being a thing and all
That's not why I want that (although redundancy is always a good idea: you can substitute the grav-plating with just accelerating at 1G); since utilities have to run the length of the ship anyhow, would it not be more efficient for them to be accessible from all decks rather than monopolize one? Plus, they can run parallel to turbolifts and the structural spine in a single armored utility bundle...

>>52621678
>Kumari
>baby child of a Jem'Hadar dreadnaught and a Battlestar
It *is* pure sex, but both the parents say you're wrong.

Morn is the best character in all of Trek. Prove me wrong.

>>52621933
>Prove me wrong.

You know we can't, Anon.

>>52621933
>he isn't Garak

Well, that didn't take long now, did it?

>>52621994
>Garak

But he's just a simple tailor.

>>52622060
I think you'll find he's an exceedingly talented tailor.

>>52622215
And a superb gardener, if the Romulans are to be believed.

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>>52622437
>ever believing Romulans
Not even "good guy" Romulans can be trusted.

>>52622982
The Romulan senator that dropped dead just before his gardener vanished had no complaints.

>>52622982
>Not even "good guy" Romulans can be trusted.
Oh? What did they do now?

>>52617328
>>52617476
Given that the Nova class is approximately the same size as the Daedalus and people seem to think she's a "cozy" ship with 80 crew, I can't imagine how 230 people are supposed to fit aboard the deadalus.

>>52625335
You'd be surprised how much difference a spherical primary hull, a proper secondary hull, and fewer amenities can make. Shoving the junior enlisted into barracks would by itself make a world of difference, and we know they do that in the late 23rd century at least as shown by Undiscovered Country and Flashback.

>>52625335
>people seem to think she's a "cozy" ship with 80 crew

Those are spoiled 24th century-ers. They're from an era where ships have fucking daycares onboard.

>>52625492
wonder if they worked the bugs out of the protein resequencers by then

>>52624858
Arming their battleships with illegal WMD's for starters.

>>52627288
Bugs are an excellent source of protein.

So, besides having lots of crew and looking terrible, what is the mission profile of Daedalus?

>>52629458
Officially "exploration", like about 95 percent of Starfleet.

>>52625908
People in this thread. We've talked about how the Nova has cramped quarters before. Not to mention we've seen in Voyager that non-senior officers still bunk up in smaller spaces. I'd cite the Defiant as well but she's a very stripped down Starfleet vessel.

>>52625335
The Nova has about 65% of the mass of the Daedalus (revised specifications). If we assume that their internal volumes are roughly similar then it's certainly possible that the ship could house a compliment of 230. Although I'm not sure how much space that would leave in the primary hull for other mission-essentials. You would be better off comparing the Daedalus and Constitution to something like the Intrepid class, which has a much greater mass and internal volume, while still operating with a smaller crew.

>>52625335
Having that capacity doesn't necessarily mean that every Daedalus is set up to have a crew of 230. That might be her wartime combat compliment, for troop deployment and the like, whereas a cargo-runner or survey ship would be much more sparsely crewed.

For example, we know that the Miranda class has a crew compliment of 280, however in TNG we see that the Lantree, a cargo variant has a crew of 26. The Brattain, a survey ship, has a crew of 35.

>>52630147
Also needs to be taking into account that the ships Starfleet builds are designed to have easily replaceable parts so that they can function foe 80 - 100 years by gradually replacing the parts as they wear out.

This and the improvements in technology might end up with a 25c reactor taking up less than half the space of the old 23c reactor it was built with. Same with everything else and you have spare space.

>>52630217
Well NOW they are. The Miranda and Excelsior were the first specifically designed with that as a goal after the six dimensional Bolian diarrhea that was the refit process for the Constitution clads.

>>52630329
It seems like the Constitution, in general, was a development nightmare. And for such an expensive ship, she performed poorly. Besides the Enterprise, ever other Connie we've seen on screen has suffered severe damage or destruction. Say what you will about the Miranda, at least a few of them survived.

>>52605735
>Not Hungry Hortas
Missed opportunity, honestly.

>>52631103
>that SW-tier name
Star Trek would be Hungry Rigelian Feathered Hippos.

>>52631725
You wanna fookin fight mate? I'll whoop your ass in a game of 3-dimensional bullshit chess any day of the week.

Also;
>using a pre-established world/race for anything other than food and alcohol.
I think you meant to say Hungry Chirocafian Hubresoids

>>52631725
>>52631871
>they don't know the difference between Brosolantine Quadropedal Moluscoids and Rigellian Water Pigs

Laughing into my Tulaberry wine right now, to be honest.

>>52633402
Ooh, that's tasty.

>>52630933
I'm not sure that was entirely the designers' fault--not much could be done to predict sudden alien superweapons that could only be destroyed by kamikaze runs into their maw, or a psychotic supercomputer turning live weapons on them during what was supposed to be a wargame.

>>52631103
Hungry Hungary Horthy hordes

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>>52636396
That and often it's just the crew that had bad shit happen, like the crew lost to ancient bioweapons that turned them into dust (ship was fine) and the one that was disappeared/stolen by the Tholians (ship was again fine). Really it's more they just had a bad run of luck more than any inherent design flaws.
They were king shit of fuck mountain during their time comparatively, and had a decent amount of time up the top too before being really superseded instead of just reasonably equalled at their role.

>>52631103
I bet Hungry Hungry Hortas plays out a bit like Snake, but around a table, multiplayer and with a rug-monster instead of a snake that gets bigger. Aim would be tunnelling the most without bumping into each other. In 3d.

>>52630933
>>52636396
>>52636642
The Constitution was designed specifically for deep space exploration into the unknown. The high casualty rate was ultimately just part of the mission statement. Obviously fewer ships are going to be lost among the classes designed for supply runs and patrols between the core worlds because it's safer.

>>52636642

>superseded instead of equaled

This. In TOS the Connie can take on multiple D-7s. We don't know exactly what her true combat capabilities are in the TMP era, because we never see a straight fight between a Connie and any other ship.

>WoK
Khan uses Reliant to sucker punch Enterprise because Admiral Kirk fucks up and lets him.

>SFS
Having barely survived Khan's suckerpunching and then the battle after that, Enterprise is disabled by a Bird of Prey, and self destructs.

>FF
They don't really fight anyone. A Bird of Prey gets commandeered by Spock, and he blows up Not!God.

>STVI
The only fighting is between the new Enterprise and a prototype BoP that can fire while cloaked. Aside from that, Kirk surrenders to the Chancellor's ship before she fires on Enterprise.

>>52636866

She was also meant as a deterrent against the Klingons and Romulans. She was a combat ship who pulled double duty as an exploration vessel.

>>52636966
In SFS it's not really a fair comparison as the Enterprise is still half fucked up from Khan's ass kicking and has no crew.

The only reason it lost the ability to fight is because Scotty's hastily constructed automatic systems broke down.

>>52636966
>>52637038
Also in TMP, a shot from V'Ger that utterly ERASES K'tinga class ships ready for combat gets tanked by the refit Connie with nothing more than some mild shield strain.

>>52633402
At this point they're less screencaps and more something that'd be pinned up on some admiral's wall somewhere.

I really, really want it now though.

>>52637092
That was more or less the original intent

>>52637368
I thought it was originally to disguise the fact that the actual screencaps were at potato resolution

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>>52637776
That too, mostly that, to be fair. Some of the original shots were of my Galaxy class, which put me in mind of the painting that Picard had in his ready room. A lot of my stuff has been in emulation of that, but recently I've been trying newer, more abstract styles.

>>52637060
That shot was actually to deliver the plasma probe that de-rezzed Ilia. It was not a kill shot.

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>>52638115
Such as:

>>52638260
Was that the same shot? I can't remember. I don't recall Ilia getting absorbed in that same scene.

>>52638626
It wasn't. First shot was an attack, Enterprise tanked that one hit and was desperately transmitting since deathball #2 would destroy them outright. Turned out V'ger was signalling them but they hadn't responded because it was doing it at a super high power and speed. Transmissions worked, deathball was recalled.

Ilia was zzap'd after they reached the V'ger ship itself within the cloud and a probe was sent.

And fuck me that movie is better with subtitles because the audio-balancing for dialog is awful.

>>52638785
>And fuck me that movie is better with subtitles because the audio-balancing for dialog is awful.

You aren't kidding.

>>52638115

Whatever the reason, I quite like them and want to thank you for sharing them with us.

Riffing further on Trek art, I wonder what happened to Data's various pieces after the show shut down. I'd suspect certain memorabilia collectors would have paid big money for them.

I remember him giving one garish canvas to Worf for the latter's birthday. It was supposed to the an impressionistic depiction of the famous Klingon Battle of Argbargfargsnargwahtever and, of course, looked like a drop cloth from the floor of a hot dog wagon.

Everyone at the party kept trolling Worf by pretending to recognize that it was a painting of the Battle of Argbargfargsnargwahtever.

>>52578386
the image of a klingon in a yalmulke amuses me.

>>52615112
communal showers with naussicans

>>52639765
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7xfCKXnyD-4

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p7jbP1_H9sA

this seems relevant

>>52636260
I still have so many questions about this image

>>52638785
>>52638844
Fun fact: they were editing TMP literally up to the last minute, because Gene was such a crappy producer. It's a big part of why the movie was so over-budget, and why he was basically kicked off the movies. But Trek fans were so thirsty back then, they didn't even care, and the movie made tons of dosh (see also: TNG S1-2).

>>52640075

"Horse with Saxophone", a lost masterpiece.

>>52640075
Still better than most Voyager episodes.

>>52640223
Best thing to be said for TMP is that it made for some solid ship-porn.

>>52622982

>He thinks there are "good guy" Romulans

haha holy shit
they're just playing the long game...

>>52588883
>These Are The Voyages
If you play it right, the "it's all a hologram" conceit could make things far more powerful. Play it a little like Voyager's Living Witness. Have the main cast go about their thing, with the action periodically pausing or cutting away to 24th-century talking heads (maybe even Picard if they can swing it) explaining the significance of what's going on.

Lots of historical events weren't fully understood at the time. Lincoln thought the Gettysburg address would be forgotten in weeks, but it's one of the most famous pieces of oratory in American history. It's only looking back that we can understand what happened on that day.

Do something like that. Have people from the 24th century explaining as Archer gets up to give his speech that *this was the moment.* History hinges on these words. At the moment, it was just though of as a good speech. And make sure Archer's speech is good. Something like "We choose to go to the moon!"

But have a human, a Vulcan, an Andorian, etc explain that this moment was *the* moment. Before Archer gave that speech, the coalition was a dozen powers who kinda-sorta got along. By the time he was done, it was *one* federation.

End with a version of the same sequence. Archer stars the "Boldly Go" speech over footage of Enterprise cruising alone through space. As he continues, voices join him as ships pull into formation off Enterprise's wings. First a Dedalus, then a Constitution, and so on. Until you end with Archer, Picard, and Kirk reading off "Where no man has gone before" with one voice while the full history of starfleet flies in Enterprise' trail.

This is the kinda feel I was picturing
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yb7MI8NQLoo

>>52639843
>TODAY IS A GOOD DAY TO BUY

>>52643019
That would be the best television Trek has literally ever done, so no, it could never happen.

>>52643019
That's a good take on it.

It's one of those really frustrating, disappointing episodes because most of what needs fixing is a couple of dumb decisions and a whole lot of just doing it better.

>>52643409
>>52643405
Even as it was, the ending sequence with every Enterprise flying by the camera was a little tear-jerking.

>>52644038
Yeah, I'm not afraid to count that as the one diamond moment in that sea of shit.

>>52644095
That's true with Enterprise as a whole, really. When it's bad it's shit. But on the few moments it gets good, it gets *really* good.

>>52644188
Agreed. It's why I like Enterprise better than Voyager; Voyager's best episodes usually aren't quite as great as Enterprise's.

Who /terranempire/ up in here?

>>52645771
I think the flag is a bit goofy honestly.

>>52646323
But the mustaches are excellent.

>>52647041
That and the uniforms.

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>>52645771
my nigga
All mirror universe vulcans
just imagine every 7 years they go on a pillage spree across the quadrant

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>>52648210
Why is the current Terran paint job red?

>>52649594
don't really know why Cryptic decided on changing the color but all of the Mirror Nebulas have red paint instead of gold

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>>52649594
Something something Leeta tampering with the timeline in order to become an admiral.

Gotta say i liked the old golden ones better.
They seemed like they had been inspired by the old glory days of the empire (enterprise era), you know, the time when they started their empire, pushed back an alien rebellion with the weapons of tomorrow (U.S.S. Defiant, the constitution class) and safeguarded themselves a glorious future.
They basically did the same thing during DS9 era, so it just made sense to me that they would try to emulate the early-empire as much as possible.

Does anyone think the borg were somewhat mishandled in Voyager? Cyber-zombies are cool and all, but there's a lot more to them than that.

The borg are driven by a quest for perfection, something that would naturally require a lot of processor up-time. That's why you usually see drones "sleeping" in their alcoves. They're contributing their wetware as part of a vastly parallelized system, which they can't do while walking around. (The drone needs to worry about pathfinding, obstacle avoidance, etc when performing a task.)

Drone down-time would be one of if not *the* most precious resource the bog have at their disposal, and they are not a malicious people. The borg don't care about non-borg life beyond seeing it as a potential resource. That means they won't think twice about assimilating a whole culture, but it also means they're not going to go out of their way to wipe someone out.

You could even have delta-quadrant cultures living in an uneasy harmony with the borg. After all, why delegate drones to strip-mine a plant when you can simply allow the indigenous population to leave it in tribute for you.

Considering that the borg would naturally be loathe to have anyone damage their systems, the borg would enforce a kind of safe-zone. Nobody brings weapons into borg-controlled planets because that just invites retaliation from the massively more powerful cubes.

You could have a sort of religion around serving the borg. Mine resources, leave then in tribute, don't interfere with their attempts to build on your planet, and you'll live free of Kazon/Hirogen/any of the other warlike peoples in the delta quadrant.

>>52650232
I think the main impedance to that would be their behavior in TNG. They straight up eat colonies as part of their early attacks. They really seem like an "all or nothing" kinda race.

Though I do like the idea of the Borg using servitor races, perhaps with limited borg tech. Where the borg would essentially install a few drones as the government of a conquered world and oversee the production of whatever resource they require, in return for leaving the inhabitants in relative peace, perhaps with some sort of annual tithe of people to make new drones.

Since the other anon posted a possible fix to the Borg in Voyager, I want to post my fix for First Contact. Rather than Alice Krige being the Brog Queen, instead she's an old flame of Picard's that's long dead. Mainly because hiring a relatively big name wouldn't make sense for a random crewman, unless you want a Locutus from Picard's crew just to fuck with him. Otherwise, the Collective recognizes Picard and is mildly irritated (as much as it could be anyway) that he's not running back to its arms, so it decides to troll him using his memories to create a new Locutus.

>>52650892
Not even necessarily servitors. Just "It's not worth my time to wipe you all out right now." If they do attack, they go all out. But if the planet in question is cooperating, there's better uses for a cube.

>>52650232
They were mishandled by explaining them. The Borg worked best as a mysterious, unknowable menace. Being defeated time and time again by the plucky crew of the Voyager kind of diluted all that. They also treated the Borg Queen like some moustache twirling supervillain which didn't help any.

Of course, trying one-up TNG and First Contact by amping up the scale to retarded levels was terrible as well. "Instead of a single cube attacking, Voyager has now has to deal with TWENTY CUBES!". And then inventing even more powerful enemies and weapons to counter all THAT, and it just all went off the rails.

In the end, I was just left wondering what was the difficulty to assimilate Earth. The Borg could have easily sent ten cubes through their magic galaxy spanning transwarp gates, fired some of those system-spanning nanoprobe superweapons and be done assimilating everyone before lunch.

>>52627398
To be fair, all starship weapons are WMDs.

>>52653173
Yeah, but these things are extra bad because they turn everything organic into dust over the duration of several seconds, giving the victim enough time to realize they are fucked.

>>52653246
Do the republic use thelaron weapons?

>>52653374
Yes.
You get a Thalaron console with scimitar and its sister ships.

>>52652882
If you want there to still be a Federation doing Star Trek stuff for a while before being completely steamrolled by a vastly superior power, you could rationalize it by saying that the Borg assimilate planets in increasing order of difficulty. They put some feelers out at Wolf 359 to see how much resistance the Federation would put up. When the answer was "a lot," they dispassionately went back to squashing local Delta Quadrant powers, of whom many were left.

When they finally do get around to assimilating races we know about in full force, their first targets won't be the Federation. The Romulans and the Gorn are in between Borg space and the Federation. (unless they want to take a shortcut through the galactic core and assimilate God.) So at that point everyone in the Alpha Quadrant has a tough decision to make.

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So how are we doing?

>>52653957

I GOT DIS FO' YOU ANON!

>NO WARP 10!
>GENE DINDU NUFFIN
>FEDS NEED REALPOLITIK FOR REALZ
>JANEWAY DUH EBUL ONE!!!1!
>ME LOVE MINISKIRT LONG TIEM!
>TREK NO FOR ONE WHO NOT GET DIS
>SISKO COO'
>FEDS EBUL AND DUMB
>ARGUE ABOUT ARGUMENT DUMB
>ANDORIAN SEX WORK GOOD!
>STAR WARS FOR BABBIES EXCEPT WHEN BABBIES BE KILL
>GUL DUKAT BE GRATE MAN
>MAQUIS BE NOT FED, THEREFORE GOOD!
>WHAT IF ARCHER BE EMPS?
>WHAT VOY?
>ENT WHO?
>ABRAMS TRAK BEST TRAK
>BFAW GETTIN' DE NERF, WHERE WE BE AT?
>HEADCANON BEST CANON, DAT WHY SLASH EXIST
>SECTION 31 BE ALRIGHT
>SPOONHEADS BE RACIST
>MY EXPERIENCE WIT DA LUG TRAK BE SOMEWHAT DISAPPOINT

DO GOOD?

>>52653957
I move that we replace "spoonheads" with "Starfleet is/isn't a military"

>>52654056

SORRY, ME DUMB, ME MISREAD ONE

>ARGUING ABOUT AUGMENTS BE DUMB - T. AUGMENT

>>52654083
Did we ever have more than one argument over it?

>>52654100
I guess it was more like 1 continuous argument over 3 or 4 threads. But it pops up here and there.

>>52654128
Could we just agree that starfleet is a Schrödingers military, that it is at the same time a military and not a military?

>>52654100
NO. Because there is no argument. Starfleet clearly is a military.

>>52654083

ME GOT DIS ONE TOO.

>STARFLEET IS MILITARY
>BUT MILITARY THAT BE EXPLORIN' N SHEEIT WHEN NOT FIGHTAN
>AND BE DIPLOMANCIN' WHEN NOT EXPLORIN'

DA SOLDIER ABOVE ALL OTHA PRAY FOR PEACE, FOR DA SOLDIER BEAR DA DEEPEST WOUND AN' SCAR O' WAR. SUM GUY NAME DUGOUT SAY DAT.

>>52654290
It's uncanny.

>>52654290
So...

Orks invade UFP.

Who wins?

>>52654461

IT GO LIEK DIS:

>ORKZ WAAAAAAGH
>ORKZ SMASH GITZ
>FEDS TEK TEK WIN
>ORK SPORES MATURE
>ORKZ WAAAAAAGH
>CYCLE REPEAT, BECOME BICYCLE, THEN TRICYCLE, THEN RUN OUTTA NUMBER

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>>52654492
>identified species 88892, sentient fungal.
>resistance if futile
>(run) assimilation;;contact=true
>reistanc-error. Anomaly detected. SMASH DA HUMIEZ!!
>Illogical line, deleting.
>Deletion fai-WAAAAGH!
>Cri&0ic al err0r. Funct n overl$%d.
>Hos &le system detect*d
>WOT DA ZOG IZ DIS FING?! WOTZ WIV ALL DEZE SPARKLY WRITY BITZ?!
>DIS IZ STOOPID! GET ME BOYZ READY!! WE'ZE GONNA HAVE REAL WAAAGH!
>awa ^{ning in pr+gress...pod 1-125 opened, drones status:act|}ve
>WAAAGH!
>Initi ng new pr0gr&m waaagh.
>not orky en gh
>WAAAAGH initiat--------d

>>cube structure damaged. Hull breach in ((((((((((((((((
>>NOW DATZ BETTAH! MORE GUNZ MORE SPIKY BITZ! DIZ CAN'T BE PROPAH ORKY WIVVOUT DA SPIKEZ N GUNZ
>>Multiple breaches deteced in <<<<<:::Orkification complllllllllllllllllllllleted.
>>DATZ BETTA! OI! DIS DING COLORED LIKE ME CRAP! PAINT IT RED!!!
>>Color schemes unavailabl$#
>>DEN KILL SOME HUMIEZ AND START PAINTIN WIV DAT!! ZOGGIN GORK DO I GOTZ TA DO EVERYFIN AROUND 'ERE?!
>>>drone 4, 28, 77, 822, and 5,698 terminated, ichor av------- for use. Recoloring...complete
>>DATZ GUD FER NOW BUT WE NEEDZ MORE! GET TO DAT PLANET AN' START CHOPPIN FINGS UP!

>>Attempting to reopen communications with Fleet 17
>>Fleet founding, communication channels open.
>WAAAAAAGH!!!
>>Error detected
>WOT DA ZOG IZ YOU DOIN?! GET OUTTA DA BLINKY STUFF!
>>Foreign anomaly detected in Fleet 17. Attempting to repair
>>...
>>...
>>...
>>Repair fail**ED
>>Warning, infection detecttttttWAAAAAGH!!
>>Emergency terminatiosssssssss...
>>W
>>A
>>A
>>A
>>G
>>H
>>!
>>Termmmmmmtion fai ed. Azzimilation completed. Resistance izzzzzzzzz stoopid%^^, You wi**** assimilatttttte*)Q# wit da BORKZ!
>>WAAAAAAGH!
>>end f line.

>>52654056
>>52654098
>>52654290
>>52654492
>>52654652

Oh look... it's a WarHamster douche... yawn...

>>52654769

ME NOT LIKE WARHAMMER DAT MUCH. MOSTLY DOIN' THIS TO FILL BINGO SLOTS SINCE IT SO IMPORTANT TO SOME ANONS.

AT LEAST ME HAVIN' FUN. IF DIS BORE YOU, MAYBE TAKE WALK OR READ BOOK OR DO SOMEFIN ELSE?

>>52653443
That's just Admiral (you) and his warcrime-a-week mentality.

>>52655102
True. Admiral (you) gets a free pass on all forbidden technology use. Even when the Temporal Prime Directive says no time shit, time travelers including Daniels just pop up to drop time travel right in your pants. I GOT AN ANNORAX, BITCH. ANTICHRONITONS!

Starfleet is a military that isn't called a military. Each race has its own thing it's in denial about: Vulcans don't like to talk about sex, Klingons don't like to talk about their glaring lack of honor, Ferengi don't like to talk about the post-scarcity society they live in, and humans don't like to talk about how they mostly get what they need through violence and threats of violence.

>>52653530
>>52652882

I will insist unto my dying breath (not really) that the cubes in Best of Both Worlds and First Contact were merely advance scouts. Sure, they tried to take out the Federation, but I see that more as a 'we're in the vicinity so why not' move than an actual full-blown invasion. Afterall, when you outclass your opponent so absolutely and have no value for the lives of your drones why not do exactly that? If you succeed then you've taken a potential opponent out early in the game while if you fail nothing critical has been lost and you get insight into how the enemy fights. At the end of the day you still have trillion drones, a million cubes and the resources of a thousand worlds ready to go and all the time in the world.

The way I see it the heart of Borg space is supposedly tens of thousands of lightyears from the Federation so it makes sense that they'd take their time to get their with any real force. Sure, with their tech they can travel that far fairly easily, but traveling to a place and projecting force to that place are very different things. And for all we know their are powers equivalent or even superior to the Federation to neutralize on the way there (we already know of several powers that can match or exceed the Federation - the Dominion, the Undine - and even after centuries of exploration Starfleet has only charted like 10% of the galaxy so who knows who else is out there). So it seems pretty reasonable to assume that the Borg as a whole haven't come even close to moving on the Federation or the Alpha Quadrant in general. The Borg threat hasn't even begun.

That being said, I agree that the power creep in Voyager that saw their ship repeatedly go up against multiple cubes and survive was bullshit. But that was the series in general.

>>52656090
Agreed.

>>52653957
>replace miniskirts with FUCK YOU RICK BERMAN

>>52655450
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>>52656090
Voyager could have protected Earth forever by tagging it in the Borg database as the Voth homeworld. Judging by how few dino fucks the Voth seem to give about the Borg that would automatically change the strategy to "HOLY FUCK, AVOID. HERE BE MONSTERS."

It wouldn't even be a lie.

>>52656090
Things might've gone smoother if they used ships *other* than cubes. Let Voyager go up against spheres, or even ships that are still recognizable under their borfigied-addons.

The borg have bigger fish to fry, they can't be bothered to throw anything more than reserves and mothball ships at a single Federation scout lost far from home. Maybe a cube comes up every so often and wrecks everyone's shit, but Voyager's such a tiny threat it's not worth the bandwidth it'd take to re-route a cube.

Maybe the borg are deliberately letting Voyager slip through their space. They've pushed civilizations to the breaking point but held back to see what interesting things their desperation would produce before.


Also, unrelated, but Seven should have stayed more borgish longer.

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Does anyone else here thing Enterprise was the most aesthetic series? There's something about flag officers in ties and those metallized space suits that really gets me going.

>>52658925
Or they'd make Earth more of a priority, hoping to find some secret there that'd give them an advantage over the Voth.

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>>52659349
I don't dislike the production design of the internals stuff like uniforms and the systems. I don't think they're amazing (there's nothing I really think adds a hook to get it into great territory), but I can't fault them for being fitting and consistent. I'll rate them above a lot of other bits of Star Trek for that alone (TNG admiral's uniforms I am looking at you).

>>52659349
I couldn't stand to watch more than a few episodes of Enterprise. It wasn't the costumes that turned me off, or the dumb plots. It's how the characters all seem to hate each other. In Original Series and DS9 there was fun banter that seemed antagonistic, but you could tell there was love behind it. In Voyager, people who literally spend the first part of the pilot trying to kill each other manage to bury the hatchet for the greater good. But in Enterprise it's just exhausing to watch because it's so petty and it just keeps going. Especially the English guy. Did they ever reveal what crawled up Englishey's ass and died?

>>52659802
Bringing up the Maroon uniforms is cheating, those things and the blue-on-green computers will win any day of the week.

>>52659816
>It's how the characters all seem to hate each other...But in Enterprise it's just exhausing to watch because it's so petty and it just keeps going.
That mostly ends after the first few episodes desu. Not that it helped much, since it went from trying to do an ensemble cast thing to just focusing on the three main characters, with the rest getting bit parts now and then.
By the end of the first season they tried to do a Kirk-Spock-McCoy with Archer-T'Pol-Tucker, but it never really worked. Not just because it was doomed from the start (it was), but because they went about it the wrong way. First, they tried to ship Archer and T'Pol without actually giving them any romantic chemistry, which ruins the friendly banter aspect they were going for. Then, it was Archer and Tucker that had that natural Kirk-Spock style broship, but they tried to force it, again, with Archer and T'Pol, but that was never going to work until Archer got over >muh Vulcans >muh dad's engine, which he wouldn't do until they dropped those parts of the Archer-T'Pol dynamic. One of the big things S3 fixed was the dynamic between the three characters.
>Did they ever reveal what crawled up Englishey's ass and died?
Archer won't let him have more dakka. He basically fills the TNG Worf role: Reed suggests something defensive (and generally sensible), and the captain tells him no, they are peaceful explorers, etc., then the Enterprise gets rekt, proving the tactical officer correct, but he never gets his attaboys.

>>52655450

You can take the monkey out of the jungle, but you can't take the jungle out of the monkey.

>>52656090

There are more complex and interesting arguments to be made about the borg.

Maybe they just don't get a big enough payoff for effort expended by assimilating Earth just yet.

Maybe not assimilating Earth yet is an investment strategy. You find promising species and exert further evolutionary force upon them until they are juuuuuust barely convenient to assimilate, but have achieved any number of technological local maxima that would not necessarily occur without that pressure. Evolution is a crazy fucked up mostly-dead tree, not a ladder.

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