EDH/Commander General

>>52562770
>What's your favorite color combo?

Right now it's Black/White. No one told me how fun constant life drain and taxation could be. I feel cheated.

Red

Red is my favorite color combo.

>>52562770
>RKF
Man I miss his art style. So many of the great MTG artists left around Lorwyn-Shadowmoor

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>>52562770
I just made this connection and it blew my mind.

>>52562882
>cast Gideon
>immediately pop emblem
>scoop
God I feel bad for Standard players

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>>52562770
>Good art, bad card edition
Just ordered a foil Tariel. I'm not a huge Wayne Reynolds fan but her art is pretty fucking metal. Face is a little derpy and the detail sucks, but hopefully that won't be noticeable in card form.

I also like the colors and I wanted a go-tall reanimator deck. I have a cleric deck which also plays reanimator but focuses on cheap creatures and mass reanimation like Rally the Ancestors, Wake the Dead, and Return to the Ranks. I think I'll build this one to force as much sacrifice and discard as possible, then reanimate fat demons and shit.

>>52562914
Scooping removes Gideon from the game.

>>52562770
>What's your favorite color combo?
GRUUL, NIGGA

>ramp like a maniac
>cast gigantic creatures
>cheat huge shit into play
>go fucking hypersonic fast and set everything in your path on fire
>make a fuckbillion little guys and unload the PAIN BUS directly down someone's throat
>Smack the shit out of people with your god damn lands

Gruul is the fucking king

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Best Doomsday LabMan piles in UB

pls help, control is a strange and unfamiliar beast to me

>>52562882
i've got a janky deck 60 card deck built around 3 CMC cards (mostly creatures) that work well with Blasphemous Act and come back with Sun Titan; I think I might be able to slot a Gideon in there, but I'd have to take it out at the expense of Domri Rade who has more immediate presence in the deck and can make their 8/8 fuckwhatever fight Boros Reckoner

>>52562968
No one cares.

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>>52562770
It's either Boros, Orzhov or Azorius. I don't like Mardu, USA or Esper that much though, even though I have tried all of them and am brewing a sphinx tribal discard Zur, Espertai or Triple Tits, haven't decided which one, but probably end up with Zur

The decks I mostly play are Stoutarm, Hanna and my super janky Ayli cleric tribal, which has been much more fun than I originally anticipated.

RW voltron is best.

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>post yfw blood moon gets played

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>>52563075
>mfw Blood Moon gets played
>mfw I'm the one playing it

>>52562967
Predict, Lab Man, Reanimate, Gush, Probe.
Also Unearth and Meditate can be used to good extent. Most important thing is to use the best low CMC shit, even if it costs other things.
If you play Doomsday, you go all out, since if you don't win the turn you play Doomsday, you're going to lose anyway.

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>>52563075
Why bother. That does jack shit against anyone playing red. Just play the better one.

>>52563127
Thanks, I'll run a couple backups since the group I'm rocking it against isn't super high-powered. I just want to see them get mad after winning off of Lab Maniac

>>52562654
>Please teach my group this, as I have tried to teach them the stack and how instant speed actually works and they just whiff every time
I think most players in this thread know the struggle. I've plain given up on some of my kitchen table.

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>>52563024
>mfw I'm mono-green

>>52563187
It's terrible. They are of the mind that things can just... happen if they have instant speed, giving no mind to priority

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>>52563151
>Just play the better one.
You posted the wrong pic, anon. Here, let me help you out.

>>52562770
>What's your favorite color combo?
Sultai or Esper.... it's really hard to choose. Green is deeper but white just unlocks so much...

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>>52563231
>>52563151
>still posting the wrong picture
Let me give you a hand

>>52563206
What did he mean by this?
>>52563231
>still lets opponents produce mana
Eat shit. Contamination is worse than Blood Moon, since it requires a sacrifice to keep the toilet clogged.
Back to Basics is the only way to go.

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>>52563323
>cumulative upkeep
>5 colour identity
My fucking face

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>>52563075

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>>52563323
>Needs a 5c identity
>Only messes with lands with basic types

Try harder

>>52563347
>Implying sacking creatures is a downside
It's like you've never played black.

>>52562770
Used to be 5c until I played 4c sans black

Sans black is the best color combo
Sure black has powerful draw and tutors but for casual decks sans black just flows so much better and you don't need to worry about killing yourself with drawing or having too much swamp dependence or excessive tutoring

>>52563378
>>52563367
>not playing a 5 color chaos deck

>>52563075
>5c basic land deck
:DDD
>4C Non basic land deck
DDD:

>>52563408
Damn you're bad.

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>>52563393
That means that you're losing it if you don't happen to have creatures you dense mongoloid.
Saccing is fun sure, but needing to feed shit constantly to that piece of shit ruins the whole card. What's the point even playing that if opponents are smart enough to play artifacts?
>>52563417
>playing chaos
Neck yourself my man

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>>52563347
>What did he mean by this?

Gee, I don't fucking know. It's almost like green has an affinity for lands or something.

>>52563408
Sure smells like WE WUZ HOMOS here. Bantemur is obviously worst shit even of the precons. Why no play the most fun and powerful colour?

>>52563532
But that doesn't have anything to do with my original post. Only thing I gather is that green was only colour I didn't mention playing.

>>52563519
Not him but I run contamination in mono b and just having it out for 1 or 2 turns will give you an incredible advantage- much larger than the cost of saccing a couple creatures. Even if they have mana rocks out its cutting their mana production in half or worse most of the time and completely turning off their ability to cast spells with heavy color costs, that is invaluable.

>>52563519
>Neck yourself my man
It's called having fun :^)
>not giving everyone free monsters
>not killing said free monsters instantly unless they wanna skip their turn
>not making everyone not know what spell they actually casted
>not removing drawing from the game and replacing it with take the top card of an opponents deck instead
>not nuking the board 7 times
>not playing knowledge pool
>not making the game last 4 more hours than it should
>not playing havoc festival followed by wound reflection

>>52563598
>fun
More like make everyone miserable including yourself. I rather not play at all than play against grouphug or chaos memelords.

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i play this endangered babar for etb like cathars' crusade

good idea/bad idea

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>>52562770

Legends had so many cards that had top tier flavor and total shit for utility.

>>52563441
Care to elaborate?

>>52563704
Bad.

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>>52563704
Bad idea

Note that the ETB effect isn't a "may" effect - you have to pay 2 energy and keep the card on the battlefield if you can. Which means you can only play him twice unless you have an energy outlet.

>>52563743
Not wanting to pay life is a super baby causal mindset.

>>52563577
My bad, I didn't even realize I replied to the wrong post. Not sure how I fucked that up.

Meant to reply to >>52563075

>>52563408
>>52563743
>Sans black is the best
>black has powerful draw and tutors
>casual decks sans black just flows so much better
>you don't need to worry about killing yourself
>swamp dependence
>excessive tutoring

I don't think elaboration will help. You're bad. Play more. Get better.

>>52563548
Homo is fun as hell
I'm not going to lie
I foiled out what I could from the precon sans black list because it's a fun deck to play against 75%ers.

>>52563699
>implying me making everyone else miserable is making me miserable

>>52563756
so i have an aether hub

at worst it's a 3/4 chump for 1, at best it's three easy triggers by itself

>>52563828
This. I hate chaos personally but the fact of the matter is there is a finite amount of possible fun to be had at any table. I intend to have all of it for myself.

t. Cruel Control

>>52563836
A 3/4 dumbo isn't worth a whole lot in EDH.

If you're looking for ETB triggers just play cards which generate tokens.

>>52563796
>You're bad if you don't play black
>He's never killed himself with an adnaus or whiffed on a necronologia for 15
Edgy

>>52563699
not him but
>implying goblin game makes everyone miserable

>>52562817
not only is the life drain/gain super strong, WB is prepped for removing fucking anything. it's amazing, but i eventually had to go to abzan for the siege rhino drain also on a budget, so more expensive drainers like kokusho had to be left out

>>52563796
>>Sans black is the best
You do realize that the context for "best" is "favorite" Christ alive this general is autistic as fuck

>>52563727
A lot of the legends in legends were based of the dnd characters of the people at WOTC at the time.

>>52563836
Most of the time it's 3 ETBs for G ea
At best it's an endlessly reusable ETB every turn with Aether Hub, or more than once/turn with an outlet
At worst it's a 3/4 chump for GGG (not 1)

I don't think it's worth it, but if something happens to your commander (I'm assuming Roon) you have some backup ETBs. There are probably just better options (Displacer, Closet, Brago, Thrag, etc)

>>52563921
>singleton format
Tutors are great
>double normal starting life total
Life is twice as expendable

I really don't see why anyone would argue that black isn't spectacularly suited to EDH. I never said you have to be bad to not play black (personal preference trumps everything), but you have to be bad to not recognize its strength. All 5 4-color combos can compensate so well for the missing color anyway.

>>52563966
Did you read his post? He goes on a qualitative rant about how good sans black is.

How exactly is that just describing his favorite.

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>>52562770
>What's your favourite colour combo?
at the moment Blue/Black
Exploit is a fun mechanic

>>52563704
bad, just use whitemane lion and its ilk

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>>52562770
>What's your favorite color combo?
Currently BW. Hopefully Amonkhet gives me a new legend to brew outside of those colors. I have very little hope that the remaining Gods will be viable, so I'm counting on some kind of RG Cleopatra or UR Sphinx.

are there more cards like immortal servitude? besides that white spell that undoes a boardwipe.

>>52564321
i get the feeling the black god is gonna be sick as hell

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What are the best sac outlets in black or colorless?

>>52564358
ashnod by far

>>52564384
You mean Phyrexian Altar.

>>52564358
vampiric rites is pretty good.

>>52564358
Ashnod's Altar
Phyrexian Altar
Blasting Station
Viscera Seer if you need a lowered curve
Fallen Angel has done a surprising amount of work for me
Attrition
Spawning Pit

Plenty of good non-reusable ones too, like Dread Return and >>52564506

>>52564566
I agree with everything here

I'd also recommend Altar of Dementia if milling or self-milling plays into your strategy

>>52564566
and I forgot a bunch, but just look here
https://edhrec.com/commanders/endrek-sahr-master-breeder

>>52564566
Oh and Fallen Ideal may or may not work better than Fallen Angel depending on circumstances

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Skithiryx, the Blight Dragon

Want to make deck with this shitlord to Infect my way to victory! How do?

>>52564566
>vampiric rites
>non reusable
uuuuh its a 1 cost enchantment

>>52564612
Fallen Ideal is pretty nice since it can sac the creature its enchanting, and it recurs itself.

>>52564643
My bad I was thinking of Diabolic Intent
>Vampiric Rites
>Vampiric Tutor
>Diabolic Tutor
>Diabolic Intent
Only 4 degrees of Kevin Bacon, I'm not too ashamed.

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>>52563075
>mfw red is my favorite edh color
>mfw im the only one who plays blood moon

>>52564629
Mirror Gallery and Blade of Selves

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Had my first few games of Ravos/Tymna tonight and had a blast

>Yosei locks
>Kami of False Hope loops
>Righteous War protection
>Edgewalker acceleration

Anyone got any hidden gems for this deck? It feels so grindy and resilient, it feels like a fairer mix of Edric and Karador.

>>52563159
Leovold Doomsday faggot here. My ideal pile, assuming an empty board, is predict, lab man, unearth, street wraith, probe. Total cost is 1UB and four life. Replace either of the cantrips with gush if you're at low life.
Pro tip, for every cantrip you already have in your hand, you can replace a draw spell in the DD pile with some kind of protection, like a counter.

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Does anyone else get a volcanic, pulsating dick from this card? You get not one, but three(3) *artifact* creatures, plus a free 3CMC bonus of your choosing. Holy shit, do you know what this means?! First off, that's potentially four creatures for 1 mana each. Four etb triggers that make blockers and perfect fodder for sac abilities(Ashnod's Alter ramps you for a colorless refund) or other effects. That last creature can also be just about any hate bear or utility creature you need. No creatures? No problem! Throw down a Vindicate or Detention Sphere instead. Did I mention you also get artifacts? You now have Puresteel Paladin with metalcraft built in. The only thing this card doesn't do is fuck your wife while you're too occupied winning games!

>>52565460
It also makes 3 artifacts and shits a card in breya for even more combo.

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>>52562770
Temur is fantastic but essentially any RG(x) works for me

I have a question about proliferate. What exactly gets increased and by how much. Let's use this as an example.

Opponent has 3 poison counters. My planeswalker has 5 loyalty counters. My creature has +1/+1 And my opponents creature has -1/-1. After proliferating those 4, what do they become?

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>>52563075
>I'm the dedicated red player at the table
>only other guy with red in his deck would be Narset

>>52565730
They all get +4 counters of each because there are four kinds of counters with four targets.

>>52565730
>Opponent has 3 poison counters. My planeswalker has 5 loyalty counters. My creature has +1/+1 And my opponents creature has -1/-1. After proliferating those 4, what do they become?
4 poison, 6 loyalty, 2 +1/+1 counters, 2 -1/-1 counters?

>>52565730
Each of those things get one extra of each of their respective counters if you chose to proliferate all of them

>>52565730
Add exactly one counter of the given type to something that already has it. You couldn't wiki this?

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>>52565460
>that's potentially four creatures
Think bigger

I've been wanting to make a control deck, most likely Esper. If I don't want to win by combo, what are my options for wincons? I know in 1v1 you can win with BS utility creatures poking but that doesn't seem like an option in multiplayer. And as far as I've heard in modern and standard it's just about dropping a big threat they can't deal with. Is that the plan here? Could use some help.

Thanks

>>52564629
Scion of the Ur Dragon with Skithiryx/Moltensteel combo. Is fun. Don't do multiplayer.

>>52565816
Cards like stormtide leviathan? Blue sun's zenith?

>>52565852
So a big threat or massive mana needed to kill

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>>52565816
An easy control esper deck is lifegain oloro.
Win cons being aetherflux reservoir, felidar sovereign, test of endurance, and maybe mechanized production.

It's simple, it's easy, and arguably overpowered.
People will bag on it for being the """thinking man's deck""".

In the end, play what makes you happy. Just be aware some people may think you're that guy.

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>>52565872
Well you did say you didn't want to just peck them down- but Milling is a thing for UB if you don't want to slap them with -large- utility creatures

Would Sheoldred or chainer be a better commander for a mono resurrection deck?

>>52565921
Sidisi desu

>>52565921
Chainer, hands down

>>52565921
Sheoldred will rarely if ever survive til your next turn

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>>52565921
Chainer reanimates any creature at instant speed motherfucker.

Do you have any idea how insane that is??

He hits ANY GRAVEYARD with his ability


Feel free to put sheoldred in your 99, put it's suicide to run her as commander

>>52565891
Damn I was thinking of Oloro. Seemed good getting life for doing absolutely nothing.

At least Aetherflux needs you to do something. The others seem really lame. God damn.

Esper aside, what do control decks usually use to win? I imagine a combo of some type.

>>52565903
Sorry, I meant that works in 1v1 but I was asking about multiplayer.

>>52565921
But what about Mikaeus

>>52566079
Bad.

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>>52565975
Nothing wrong with oloro. Some people just really dislike the legendary,that's all.

Another option for esper control is ertai, the corrupted. (There are two arts, make sure you pick your favorite! )

My mono blue deck combos with Mind Over Matter and temple bell/otherworldly atlas (+ 1 mana for when I draw into feldons cane) to win. I also run leveler/labratory maniac.

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>>52566109
>>52565975

If you go the ertai route,go control like you were planning, but run control magic cards. Sac the creatures you steal to counter spells!

Like taking candy from a baby

Heres the other art by the way

>>52566109
>I also run leveler/labratory maniac.

I was thinking of doing this or Demonic Consultation.

>>52566133
I like the control angle but not sure how much I'd love having to take creatures and all that.

>>52566099
>trashtalking my husbando

>>52563075
>>52563151
>>52563231

Mfw I just realised I have all three of these cards, winter orb and stasis

I think I want to make a "that guy" deck

>>52566205
He's a priest so he can't marry a dude, sorry faggot.

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>>52566144
Considering another win con is killing your opponents with their own commander's command damage is a thing, its pretty fun.

Oh, and gaining control of an enemy's commander is the "new" tuck, considering they can't send to command zone instead. You shut down any decks that are reliant on commander to function in the worst way possible. You are also in colors to run imprisoned in the moon, darksteel mutation, nevermore, declaration of naught.
Use these wisely on enemy commanders.

Shutting down a deck is surprisingly easy when 80% of players build decks that CAN'T function or barely, BARELY function without their commander on field.

>>52566079
Fuck black mike


"Lel mike n trike I win XDDDD"

>>52563958
Ah, c'mon, Evening Star's only like 18 bucks.

>>52565760
Bontu smokes? ??

>>52563958
Why didn't you go with Gary instead?

>>52559424
>>52559756
>>52559800
>>52561341
>>52562031
Late reply, but thanks for all your suggestions. I'll review my Marchesa deck based on them.

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i have 300$
i want to build a deck i don't have to upgrade for a while

is this possible with her?

Any secret spicy tech y'all want to offer up? I'm thinking of cutting Plague Spitter for Imp's Mischief, I just have to wait for it to arrive in the mail.
http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/evolution-of-rakdos/

>>52566972
Your manabase will be shit and you'll be missing the strongest cards in the deck like Recruiters.

>>52567097
why not just use the white one and proxy the red one and the og dual lands

>>52566109
>>52566133
Have a decklist anon? You have my interest.

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>>52565760

>tfw all my decks are red

>>52567126
Well why spend any money on the deck at all if you're going to proxy?

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>>52567257
Where can I get friends like yours?

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>>52566972

It depends on how competitive you care to be. Like >>52567097 said, $300 wont get you a good mana base, or some of the better staples, but it will get you something playable. I mean you won't be able to buy a perfect deck for any commander at $300, so pick something you like and give it a go.

>>52567293
collectible card game players like to collect things

>>52567309
Unless they're actually collectible and not a junk rare?

>>52567334
not everyone can be as mentally normal see: not retarded as you

>>52567097
lol kys

>>52567375
Go back to Facebook.

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>>52564358
Carrion Feeder has never failed me

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>>52567392

Do people still use Facebook?

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What do you think of goad? Is it a fun keyword?

>>52568229
I like it on the act of treason that goads the creature, and grenzo is a really strong mono red commander

>>52567334
>Not collecting jank rares
>Not playing them in your niche strategies
Do you even like this game/format?

>>52568293
Grenzo seems like a fun card. I've tried to shove him into my Marchesa and Alesha decks as part of the 99, but he didn't fit as well as I would have liked. I don't have a mono red deck, so perhaps I'll try to build one with him as the commander at some point.

>>52562770
>"What's your favorite color combo?"

Simic. Because everyone groans, gangs up on me and I smoke them anyway

>>52562918
I've tried to build Tariel so hard, but I just can't. You just end up making a mardu reanimator deck that has nothing to do with the commander. Eventually I got rid of black and turned it into boros indestructible angels.

>>52568942
>You just end up making a mardu reanimator deck that has nothing to do with the commander
On the plus side, being able to win without casting your commander is a sign of a good deck?

>>52568394
Grixis or Mardu Marchesa?

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MEOW

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Rate my cart for Anafenza the Foremost plus I got Mizzix.

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>>52563075
> I'm the red player that played it

>>52569044
>tfw you forget to add hangarback walker

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>>52562830

>>52565792
This is fucking MVP in my Ayli deck. Sick synergies with Smothering Abomination, which I seem to always get in every game at some point for some reason. Not to mention Jar of Eyeballs

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my friend is building a degenerate monoblack reanimate using the zombie dwarf as commander

is it ok for me to play atraxa superfriends or jhoira of the ghetto?

>>52569406
>my friend is building garbage
>should I build cancer?

>>52568993
Grixis

>>52568993
mardu marchesa is bad

>>52565069

I am failing to understand the Mirror Gallery

>>52565844

We usually have games of 4. But that would be a fun deck!

>>52565069
Nvm, I am retarded

>>52569812
The gallery let's you make use of the blades myriad effect on a legendary creature. It's p jank, even by edh standards.

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what's a decent enchantress deck that can make good use of doubling season?

>>52570130
Atraxa with Helix Pinnacle

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Anyone have any spicy tech for Drana? I'm thinking strionic resonator could be neat to double down the pump effect, and Shinzo, Death's Storehouse seems like it's going to be radical. What kind of subtheme fits with her?

In general, my game plan is rocks + all the crypt ghast/coffers effects I can find, with a splash of doubling cube, but I worry the deck is just going to require a shitload of tutors to get functional.

>>52570545
Drana's ability is activated though not triggered, what you want is rings of brightheart

>>52570660
Wise words from a wise anon, you're absolutely right. I play in a meta filled with theros gods, and I'm really excited to "destroy" their indestructible nonsense.

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>>52564358

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>>52562770
The REAL GOD is here...

>>52566972
>her

>>52571816
you're one very persistent shitposter

damnation is coming in hour of devastation, it will both be in standard and as an invocation, bolas will be angry at lily for joining the jacetice league

>>52571841
>implying Bolas doesn't actually show up and instead it's Elesh norn

>>52571836
its not really shitposting if its real

>>52571841
wait
im not up to date on the lore, liliana use to be a servant of bolas?

>>52566312
>>52566312

I was thinking about this recently. Stealing/neutering commanders with things like Darksteel Mutation instead of removing it and letting them just recast. But then I lose the instant speed removal for most of them and damn is that necessary for some commanders.

>>52571718
Really good artifact hate, could be godly in an artifact heavy meta

What are some big upgrades for a purphoros goblins edh?

Urabrask? some big goblins? taking suggestions

>>52571855
>Phyrexia takes over Bolas' vacation plane
>Joins the gate watch out of pure spite

>>52571921
Gauntlet of Might, Blood Moon, Magus of the Blood Moon, i guess Kiki Jiki if you're into infinites,

Whats the most degenerate, fuck everybody Daretti list you've ever seen? I know he's good but I've heard he can get really crazy.

>>52572106
any daretti stax list

>>52572146
Oh my god. I was just thinking about shitting out creatures but this is horrifying. Motherfucker doesn't even need mana so Winter Orb fucked literally everyone but him. And it only gets worse.

What kind of monster would run this?

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I just came over from modern and tried making my first EDH. It's semi budget.

Problem is ive never played EDH, do I need more fetch? what staples am I missing?
http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/goblin-parade-1/

>>52572202
everyone on xmage

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>>52572208
>Wort
>33 creatures
>13 sorceries
>1 instant
You are truly a modern babby
Wort is all about gobbo tokens: first put all the spells that generate tokens you can find, then put all the rituals, they'll get you bonkers amount of mana with conspire, finally just put some flashy burn spells and things with X in their cost. Mizzix mastery and past in flames are almost mandatory. You're missing Avenger of Zendikar too.

>>52567306
>zada
>sram
>doran
>any commander who's mechanic forces you to play with cards that are not frequently used

>>52572208
welcome to edh friend. i like the look of your deck, it seems spicy

if you're worried about having enough cards in each category, just use this simple guideline:

>15-20 cards that play into your main strategy (in your case, this would be goblins and goblin synergy)
>9-13 cards that play into your secondary strategies (in your case, this would be ramp and sorceries that you want to copy)
>5-9 cards that feed into your auxilary strategies (tutors, draw, etc.)

curve isn't really that important, just avoid low value spells and have a good ramp base. i typically put 12 ramp cards in all my decks, even if they have low curves since i use tons of draw in them. my orzhov lifegain deck has 13 ramp spells and 13 draw spells. you don't need to worry that much about manafixing either in a 2-color deck with green. just fetch your lands with your cultivates and explosive vegetations

if you're looking for spicy tech, i'd look into edhrec, or if you want some REALLY spicy tech, go down to magiccards and search for goblin synergy, or really fun sorceries to copy

>>52572208
>he isn't running a Scapeshift/Valakut package
>he isn't running a fuckbillion Fireballs
>he's running a double-digit creature count in a spellslinger deck

>>52572377
>>52572578
Alright im making some changes.

I just wanted to make a gobbo deck, I have no idea what Im doing

>>52572605
Oh if you're building Goblins, Krenko is the undisputed boss. RB Wort and Zada are also decent for Goblin Tribal

>>52572639
hey thats not too bad actually. some sort of voltron deck with this dude would be great

>>52572639
oh hey look shitty kemba

>>52572639
>oh i could make a bunch of snakes with a spell that adds a lot of -1,-1 creatures

"one or more"

oh

>>52572700
"a creature"

>>52572627
Wort is more suited for Gruul spellslinger (as strange as it sounds) with a goblin token subtheme, go for Krenko if you want to go Goblin tribal, Zada if you want to go wide with gobbos and swing for a gorillion damage

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>>52563151
You mean this one?

>>52572639
doesnt this have infinite combo with that one enchantment that puts -1-1 counters

>>52572639
This is the best legend we've seen from the set from an edh perspective

>>52572752
Maybe with carnifex demon or blowfly infestation

>>52572676
Not at all, sure they both make tokens, but that's the only similarity.

>>52572664
>Voltron
Barf, go full -1/-1 counter tech

>>52572700
Yeah that's abit disappointing

>>52572639
Devoted Druid here we go

>>52572813
if a spell allows you to distribute 2, -1,-1 counters and you put those on separate creatures
you get 2x snake

>>52572578
what creatures should i take out?

>>52572639
>>52572752

Yup, it's combo time. She goes infinite pretty trivially with Blowfly infestation -- it alone for infinite ETB triggers (Sadly she cannot run Impact Tremors) or with Nest of Scarabs and/or Flourishing Defenses for infinite tokens. At 2 mana for her and 3 for her critical pieces, with black in her identity? Seems good. Infect as plan b to infinite tokens?

>>52573064
Every single one that doesn't generate tokens, Purphoros is fine though, and goblin matron too so you can easily tutor for krenko

>>52568994
I wish Kemba was better.

>>52572639
Is this set gonna be 5 god legendaries and the rest humans oh boy

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what do i do for a gotta go fast abzan deck? ravos + sidar seem to fit the bill, but anafenza's graveyard hosing is big and a waifu

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>>52572639
Oh, baby.

>>52573174
ok ive updated it to be more combo friendly with the commander

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>>52573513
>didn't even mention the OG fast abzan deck
Ghave my friend. If you aren't comboing off by t4-t5 you're doing it wrong.

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>>52566312
>Not turning the opponent's commander into an equipment, equipping it to a token, then phasing the token out so that the commander is gone for the rest of the game and nothing short of Karn Liberated's ult can get it back
You are like little baby

>>52573697
ghave attracts a lot of hate and doesn't really fit my style. i thinking more midrange with a heavy leaning towards aggro. not bad bad for a 99, though

>>52573813
Doran fits if you like trees

>>52573789
>surely the rules dont support the commander being permanently phased
i''ll be damned.

>>52573863
Yep, indirect phasing is a bitch.

>>52573789
I want to use this, but christ getting five pieces together in Temur colors without also sabotaging other win conditions seems like a nightmare.

>>52573993
Yeah, it's something you'll probably only pull off once, but that one time will be glorious. Especially if it's a deck like Derevi or Oloro

>>52564321
>I'm counting on some kind of RG Cleopatra
>>52572639
>BG Hapatra
Sweet, close enough. I've been wanting to brew a snake deck anyway, and Pharika/Kaseto/Kamigawa Sneks never appealed to me. Too bad she's not BUG, but that's the way it goes.

Does monored have any "group hug" cards? (except artifacts like Howling Mine obviously) I just have a crazy enough deck idea to work.

>>52574367
Fuck group hug.

>>52574380
Sorry but I asked for card suggestions, not dumb opinions.

>>52574367
Mana Flare

>>52574502
Yeah this is a good one, any other similar in-color effects? It seems to be a mostly green (or Gruul) effect these days.

>>52574524
I believe there's a red enchantment that gives all creatures haste, don't remember the name though

>>52574599
Mass Hysteria it is, but it's not a very good card for EDH since it gives monogreen rampers a free crossroads.

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Interesting

>>52574618
It's group hug you wanted after all, just talk your way through those timmies, it should be easy

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>>52574635
>Lighting Bolts now have wither

>>52574646
I'm mainly after symmetrical (& repeatable, not just one-shots like wheel of fortune) mana ramp and card draw effects, does red have any besides mana flare?

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>>52574635
>mfw using this against Skullbrair

>>52574635
>red can kill indestructible now
Purph bless

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>>52574676
Wheels aren't really what i would call group hug but if you want a repeatable wheel pic related is pretty good

>>52573789
Yawgmoth bless Phasing. Flavor win if you do this to Jhoira or Teferi

Pro Tip: You can do it with white instead of green by using Soul Sculptor to remove creature-ness instead of Song. Now, Temur is probably the stronger identity but White can tutor for enchantments (Like Bludgeon Brawl or backups to the others like Carry Away or Teferi's Curse instead of Magnetic Theft or Reality Ripple)

>>52574722
He's fine, but too expensive for my tastes. I want to draw to my combo pieces as soon as possible and I figured that grouphug is the cheapest way.

>>52574725
Or he can cut Song and replace it with Imprisoned in the Moon, reducing the combo to dual color.

>>52574184
Kaseto is a godsend for snek decks though. Blight Mamba was never scarier.

What are the best cards for restoring your board? I'm thinking you play Genesis Wave or Hunting Grounds after a wipe until you find Praetor's Counsel.

>>52574905
Do you want monogreen or other colors too? Living Death does the trick in black, even better if all others have already rebuilt their boards in the meantime. White has Second Sunrise and friends. Red has Daretti and Welder for artifacts. Blue is kind of shafted here, but blue should be countering the wipes in the first place.

>>52574635
I wish this were a legend... Make it a little bigger, cost more, and give it first strike. It would make an old school burn deck a legitimately viable option in EDH for the first time ever.

>>52575040
>bolting and lavaxing your way through 120 life, wither or not
Good luck

>>52575066
I'm more so saying that lightning bolt is godly in 60 card but close to worthless in EDH and if it had a lasting effect on creatures then it would have a big impact on the way burn could be played in EDH. Doesn't have to be burn your way through their life.

>>52575040
Normally I'm all for cards being designed with commander at least partially in mind but you need to fuck off. Stop trying to make everything a Craw Wurm.

>>52573289
I wish Kemba had bigger tits

>>52573789
Why can't your opponent just put the commander into the command zone? Which zone would it be put in with this combo?

>>52573836
Doran is boring as shit to play though.

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>>52575127
But anon, they're already huge.

>>52575002
Nah, all colors are good. I do know of Faith's Reward, so it'd be cool if there's more stuff in white.

>>52575154
Phasing doesn't move cards between zones, it's still technically "on the battlefield"
>>52575177
We need to go bigger

>>52575154
phasing doesn't count as a zone change.

its till technically on the battlefield, you just cant ever interact with it.

>>52574635
>it's a wizard
e
ehehehe

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>>52575154

>>52573789
This is amazing

>>52575326
actually, can't you just Song of Dryad into Reality Ripple? or Liquidmetal coating into Reality Ripple?

>>52575365
While not visible on the card, whatever is phased out via reality ripple, will phase back in during the upkeep like normal.


So instead, you phase the token the equipment is attached to. Tokens cease to exist once phased, so the equipment is forever phased out.

>>52575365
It'll phase back unless it's attached to something that ceases to exist (A token). Bludgeon Brawl is necessary.

>>52575155
Some men just want to turn cards sideways, who am I to judge them? Doran certainly fits the bill of what he's after.

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>>52575365
Nope, it would simply phase back next turn. However, permanents attached to another permanent that phases out go with it. (This is called indirect phasing.) Normally, they would all return together on the following turn, but since tokens cease to exist as a state-based action when phased out, the commander will be sitting phased out waiting for an event that can never happen.

>>52575428
Half the time you aren't even doing that, since you need to draw your "defender creatures lose defender" enchantment first.

>>52575409
phasing doesn't change zones or leave the battlefield; tokens stay

>>52575514
tokens explicitly cease to exist if phased.

Just check >>52575435

>>52575191
How big?

>>52563727
>to take up the sword
>cleary depicted wielding an axe
fuck you and your bullshit

>>52575613
Big enough to breastfeed her token army

>>52575620
The sword is off image, the axe is the hilt

>>52573789
Do you need to do the whole convoluted combo or am I missing something here? Just 1U to neutralize target commander for the rest of the game?

>>52575613
She's already got a nice pair of bolt-ons but she needs to go full bimbo

>>52575660
Phased out nontoken permanents phase in during their controller's untap phase regardless of how they were phased out.

>>52568229
Just now I've realized
>goad says "until your next turn"
>chronatog effects

>>52574635
Welcome to ashling boi

>>52575660
Yes you need the combo.

The target commander, cannot be the target of reality ripple.


Reality ripple will phase something out, but included in that process is the target will phase back in during the next upkeep.


To prevent this, you must indirectly phase (making the commander a equipment, as all permanents attached to something phasing, phase with it)


You use a token, because tokens cease to exist one phased. So the commander who is currently an equipment attached to that token, phases out, but not being the primary phaser (The token) it cannot phase back in.

>>52575632
Depending, that might not be much.

>>52575678
I don't understand what that means.

>>52575707
Wouldn't it just stop on the next turn available? Or do you mean goad it all and skip all turns to make people kill themselves?

>>52575722
Thank you and other anon for the explanation. I've never encountered phasing in an actual game.

>>52575732
Hide behind pillowfort, skip turns while you're ahead, use Battle Suit if necessary. Alternate plan could be Smokestack (can set it up easier with extra turn from Magosi) and let it sap your opponents while you skip turns.

>>52575730
She needs to transition to plastic infused sex object

>>52575757
not a problem, its an incredibly janky combo that relies on an older janky mechanic.

>>52575660
I'll put the full explanation in a single post, since it's a little broken up.
The combo works by turning the commander into an equipment, equipping it to a token, and phasing the token out. First of all, you need the commander to not be a creature, as equipment that are creatures can't equip anything. Song of the Dryads does the trick, as does other stuff like Imprisoned in the Moon. Next, you'll need it to be an artifact so Bludgeon Brawl will work on it. Once it's an equipment, we can use magnetic theft to attach it to any creature token (doesn't matter whose), then Reality Ripple to phase the token out. When a permanent phases out, so does any other permanents attached to it, meaning the commander goes with the token. Since the commander phased with the token, it waits until the permanent it phased out with comes back and follows it. However, tokens that phase out cease to exist as a state-based action, meaning the commander is waiting for a thing that no longer exists. As a result, the commander is stuck in a state where it can't be interacted with and can't be brought back. (Short of restarting the game with Karn Liberated.)
>>52575682
Incorrect, see 702.25f >>52575435

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Can someone bluepill me on EDH/Commander

Diehard pauper player here, I like to brew, fail/win, rebrew fast at a relatively low price point weekly. It gets me extremely off, especially on person.

And lately a friend asked me if I wanted to join their commander group but honestly it doesnt seem very appealing to me because

1)Ordering 100 cards and keeping track of them seems like a huge hassle
2)Liquidating them seems like a huge hassle because you dont have playsets of a particular card
3)It seems hard to build a deck that caters to a certain synergy or direction you want your play/board to go but rather just playing a bunch of "good-stuff" cards everyone who plays the same color will also have making all the decks more or less the same

>>52575804
If you want a Pauper-ish general, play Zada. Features lots of very cheapo commons and the occasional nickel rare like Fiery Gambit.

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Underrated cards? I love evolution charm, it's got some good versatility.

>>52575732
next turn is means your next turn. it doesn't account for the turn you would take if it existed. so it ends on your upkeep or you have chronatog go on forever. glacial chasm is bonus fun.

>>52575777
Gross.

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>>52575831
Scariest 1/1 in the game?

>>52575943
>Invigorate on a unblocked Constable turn 4-5
No better feel.

>>52575943
Holy shit. Well thats going on my list. What a great card.

>>52575943
I'm building a Marchesa combat damage triggers deck with this guy in it, gon b gud

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JUDGE

when I am in control of my opponent (say, through using mindslaver, or new emrakul) can I decide to send their commander to exile or graveyard if given the opportunity?

>>52576438
yes sir, you are in charge of all the decisions they could make.
714.5. While controlling another player, a player makes all choices and decisions the controlled player is allowed to make or is told to make by the rules or by any objects. This includes choices and decisions about what to play, and choices and decisions called for by spells and abilities.

are there more cards like realmwright that combo with valakut? would like to avoid blood moon as i could potentially hose myself

>>52575799
It also works that commander becomes phased out when something that says that untap steps are skipped, such as Stasis or Sands of Time. It will come back if the skipper is removed, though, but as long as that player skips the upkeep, it stays forever gone.

>>52576826
So what does happen here?

>tfw wanted a lotus bloom for my deck
>price literally doubled overnight because of speculator kikes anticipating aether vial 2.0
I-it will come down if it doesn't catch on, right?

>>52577232
I just looked it up, and apparently this was already asked on mtgsalvation. According to the thread, all creatures and lands would become 1/1 mountain saprolings, with the ablity to tap for one red like normal mountains.

>>52576826
what happens if you mix all 5 of them

>>52577545
You'd have to thrown an Enchanted Evening into there.

>>52577502
>Suspend card
>Black Lotus iteration

The price will lower slightly but since the card is unlikely to get a reprint anytime it will not return to the previous price level.

>>52577793
Yeah but it'll literally only be used for a meme deck

>>52577793
It already got a reprint though

>>52577830
Do you remember the eggs deck? It ran Lotus bloom as a 4-of and was one of the main targets for Reshape.

Lotus Bloom is one of those cards that people hold onto in preparation for weird decks since there are not a lot of cards that operate on a similar level.

It is also unlikely that Wizards will ever make a stronger version of the 'Black Lotus' effect making Lotus Bloom
redundant, since even the suspend 3 is pushing it.

>>52577877

In the original Modern Masters which was a very low print run.

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Post'em?

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>>52577502
>>52577793
Tfw I cracked a foil Lotus Bloom from a Time Spiral booster last november

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>>52577926
Also making a BG Fungi tribal

>>52577983
Bought my prerelease one for $5, currently it seems to be around $30 when it is in stock.

>>52569044
Forgot walking ballista

all right, two questions

tapping a land is instant speed, right? and you can cast with any extra mana in your mana pool before in empties at the end step?

>>52575804
EDH has a retardedly huge cardpool, basically every strategy has enough support to make a fully synergistic deck, and if you want to build specific boardstates there are plenty of tutors available to you.

If you're a bad deckbuilder you'll build goodstuff, but it's easy as hell not to.

>>52578191
how else would you play instants????

>>52562882
Who has a Gideon tribal list?

>>52578191
Tapping a land for mana is a mana ability, it happens faster than instant speed and cannot be responded to.

>before in empties at the end step?

Mana empties as every phase change

Upkeep -> Draw -> Main Phase -> Beginning of Combat -> Declare Attackers -> Declare Blockers -> Damage -> End of Combat -> Second Main Phase -> End Step

Each one mana will empty

http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/affirmative-actiondec/

good, bad, or ugly?

>>52575804
Goodstuff is cancerous, but not necessary. Basically the only "you need this" card is sol-ring.

Liquidating is a problem yea, if you plan on cycling quickly through decks. I tend to pick a commander and improve it piecemeal over time on the cheap as I learn the deck's strengths and weaknesses.

Commander can be all about synergy. You are literally building around a card, after all.

>>52575829
Seconding Zada. New Ezuri is another budget option.

>>52577502
Speculators really are lower than dirt

>>52578507
>tfw you end up buying playsets of cards you might want to build ONE day based off spoilers, because you have to beat the wave of speculators that will increase the price by 300% if you wait 3 more hours

>>52578310
so i could tap out before or in response to ruination and still play play cards before combat?

>>52578682
I held off on buying a set of Through the Breach for Legacy and I regret it immensely

>>52578803
I sold my playset 3 days before the spoiler

The store credit was like $43 each when they sold for $46 on TCG, still so worth.

>>52578848
What kills me about it is that they'll likely never reprint it. They hate Kamigawa, and there's no way Arcane would come back in a standard environment

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>>52578882
but kamigawa is cool

>>52578882
Just wait 2 more years for Modern Masters 2019

>>52578969
Oh it's cool as fuck, but I wouldn't be surprised if we never saw it in a block again

>>52564629
>homicidal seclusion
>deadly wanderings
>gauntlet of power
>caged sun
>veilstone amulet
>ward of bones
>all the equipment you can muster

NO OTHER CREATURES


>skittles is a lonely treasure hoarding dragon
>you are skittles

>>52578735
Yes, although that's before combat. You won't know who they will attack.

>>52578310
There's lot more phases though, but that's basics.

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i want to build this guy, give me some spicy tech

>>52562914
"You can't lose the game" effects don't stop you from conceding.

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What are the best cuts in here http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/evolution-of-rakdos/ for my pictured cards?

>>52580822
>http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/evolution-of-rakdos/

killing wave
kazuul
spiteful visions

>>52580940
You don't think Price of Glory or Fiery confluence?

>>52580822
wait... explain gut shot to me. why are you running this

>>52580960
Gut shot is being trialed as a means to generate the ping of damage to be able to summon Rakdos without needing either board presence nor an open target, and it doesn't require that I have any mana dedicated for it.

>>52580953
i like land destruction, so i like price.
confluence gives you flexibility, dont cut that.

>>52580972
i think you have enough of that to get your guy out. run blood moon instead

>>52580990
I liked the idea of having another option available to me that could be used without mana but perhaps you're right. Price does more or less lock out Blue or white from interacting with me on a big turn. I'm on the fence about Blood moon, it doesn't ruin me as much as much as it might others, I'm still running quite a bit of non-basics in my deck.

>>52581029
then cut them for basics. youre only two colors and youre red anon. lighten up a little, use a blood moon


>come to the dark side

>Play casual EDH

>They say no MLD

>I play mono red

>I have no legitimate way to answer powerful enchantments and only a few ways to deal with high toughness creatures

>Only answer is to run spot land removal to keep their ramp curbed so they can't drop ridiculous shit constantly

>They get mad that I'm curbing their mana ramp.

Well then I'm mad that they're running ridiculous shit that I can't answer unless I'm lucky enough to have my Steel Hellkite out so whatever fuck me I guess

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New thread!

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Just run full chaos and they will see how much worse it can get.