Amonkhet spoilers

>>52558581
Isn't this fake? Have you been beta orbiting Rachel Agnes's Facebook you fucking cuck?

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eheehheheheheheheh

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>>52558581

>>52559813
It's a bad card, but that design is cool af. Mythic worthy.

amonkhet is a fucking dumpster fire of a set

3/10 elbows too pointy would not spec a box

>>52559813
storm?

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hippo tribal incoming

>>52560869
No. Suspend

>>52560923
expertise/ cascade seems like it does that better

>>52560117
Incredible.

>>52560117
I need this edit

>>52560710
Define "bad". I could see a lot of use in Commander for example.

>>52558581
>blue card
>art doesn't feature prominent blue hues

fabricated and homosexual

>>52560710
>Bad
>allows Ancestral Vision on turn 3
>Wheel of Fate
>Restore Balance

>>52558581
>miscalculation
ah, the set mascot

>>52562098
As an EDH only player who despises other formats, EDH isn't a real format and using it to justify printing bad cards is bullshit.

>>52562198
that card is fucking terrible in commander anyway.

It's a card for modern meme brewing

>>52559813
If it wasn't for the split card rules change this would be so broken, I assume.

>>52562339
Brain in a jar comes down one turn earlier, although this enchantment is a bit more reliable and hits 0 mana stuff too

>>52560953
This is another tool to get suspend out, especially if it's in your hand.

>>52563509
Brain in a jar comes down one turn earlier, but costs 1 mana to activate so requires 3 mana to do anything either way, only plays instants or sorceries, costs mana to add counters and can only cast stuff that has the exact same CMC as the number of counters.

It's complete utter shit compared to this.

>>52562239
Terrible? There are more turns in EDH, so that is more "free" mana you can use in a round, is it not?

Having it on field makes flash and instant-based decks really good, because you can cast one of those free on each of your opponents turns.

I dunno what you're getting at, honestly.

>>52562198
Well, I guess I gotta agree with that, but I still think the card is passable in other contexts too. It has potential for combos.

>>52564141
There are more turns in EDH.

You know what there's also a lot of? Removal.
This is a card that does nothing relevant in EDH until 6-7 turns after you play it, unless your meta is literal craw wurms then this card is complete trash.

>>52564325
Hell, even in a craw wurm meta this card is garbage, as your opponents will be dropping craw wurm on turn 6, while this card will do so on turn 10.

So, after the Jacetice Legue destroys Nicky B's AFK Planeswalker Farm, they're gonna move onto new phyrexia, right?

>>52560880
this and the white one are the only half decent ones.

>design controversial new card frame
>create gorgious art
>give them amazing names

>make all the cards shit so no one is forced to use them
>make the art images for ants
>use cool names for unplayable cards

>>52567433
Never mind. Creatures and artifacts, not enchantments.

>>52562239
Combining it with proliferate spells could be nasty.

>>52560880
would be a nice card if mouth were an instant

>>52567414

dunno, insult to injury sounds like fun in UR storm (whre it litterally adds insult to injury if you are losing to storm), with familiars it doubles your grapeshot effectiveness for 1 or 2 mana, and cast twice (via flashback or just drawing two) it quadruples grapeshot damage.

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Another dumb tribal card that won't see any play

>>52569157
>won't see any play
7 power on board for 5 mana and added synergy seems pretty good for limited

>>52569157
I hope you're joking
>5 Mana for 7 power across 3 bodies
>Cat Lord

>>52569157
Good Kitty

>>52569293
>limited
A vanilla 5/5 would be good in limited too, that's irrelevant

>>52569308
Angel of Invention didn't see any play and it's a much better card

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...Is that a real life quote?

>>52569346
More trash

>Inb4 EDH babies claiming it's good

>>52569157

This is like a Geist Honored Cat.

Though Geist Honored Monk was better this beefs up the tokens it puts into play rather than itself.

>>52569346
No.

>>52569346

Yes, its about our beloved Primarch Horus, greatest amongst his brothers.

>>52569357
as an EDH player i don't see any way to make use of that card outside of some extremely situational board states

>>52569346
I'm an idiot and read the name wrong. Ignore my faggotry.

>>52569332

Yeah but Angel of Invention is a 2/1 if it chooses to make tokens and then gets hit with a Shock or maybe a -1/-1 counter in the future. The Regal Caracal is at least a bit more resilient in that regard albeit its anthem effect is more limited.

>>52569357
It can be okay in EDH, but I don't see it doing a whole lot. EDH has higher life totals, and leaving yourself untapped is a good way to get fucked. As I've said before, EDH only takes jank that has potential to be good, but can't realize it in other formats. Some jank cards just don't have any.

>>52569367
Horus was the Egyptian god of Revange as well.

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WHO /GIDEON/ HERE

WHY IS GIDEON THE MOST BASED MEMBER OF THE SUPERFRIENDS

>HANDSOME
>DEVOUT
>STRONG SENSE OF JUSTICE
>ALPHA AS FUCK
>COMPLETELY RIPPED
>USES ONE OF THE MOST HARD TO WIELD WEAPONS KNOWN TO MAN
>INVINCIBLE
>SINGLEHANDEDLY SLAUGHTERED HUNDREDS OF WAVES OF ELDRAZI ASSAULTING THE GATEWATCH WHEN THEY WERE PREOCCUPIED WITH STRIKING DOWN THE TITAN'S PHYSICAL FORMS

>>52569346

This is seriously fucking good. With the amount of dudes attacking/crewing/exerting you're going to see lot of life being sapped constantly. Hell even the current zombies decks putting prized amalgams and other dudes into play tapped are going to be able to get value out of it with the right trigger order.

>>52569411
I hope all the Jacetice league fall down a well and die, the bad ones are worse than they've ever been, the good ones have all been changed beyond recognition.

>>52569157

7/7 worth of p/t over 3 bodies for 5 mana wont be played?

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>>52569346
>each opponent loses life equal to the number of TAPPED creatures you control


HOOOOLEEY SHIT!

I'm gonna be rich!

>>52569308
Or you could just call cats on a metallic mimics and curve way faster.

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Who says you should get a new pet just because your old one died?

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>>52569436
>tail gets longer

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>>52569435

WHY NOT BOTH?

>>52569346
>The second set is called Hour of Devastation
Everything makes sense now

>keikaku.png

>>52569157
Oketra's monument reduced regal caracal's CMC to 4.

Now you're getting 8 power across 4 bodies, on 4 mana is absolutely insane value.

Hell flicker caracal with felidar guardian for 3 and now you have 14 power across 8 bodies.

>>52569346
>cat combo now doesn't even need to care about Thalia or Authority of the consuls
>Curves perfectly with cat combo

N-No please.

>>52569383
I guess being weak to removal sucks and that's why Angel of Invention only saw some very fringe play, but only buffing a terrible creature type and having no evasion is probably as bad if not worst

Now if they were to release a bunch of good cats then we'll be talking

>>52569427
Yup, I'm willing to bet on it
Right now the only way I see this being played is in some tier 3 garbage with this and Metallic Mimic

>>52569445
It's roughly the same length, it's just in a different shape.

>>52569420
The female members are all written like shit and Jace and Gideon suffer for it. Jace is okay because he's basically just a big nerd that spills his spaghetti everywhere constantly and Gideon can actually show some good moments like with what happened in the desert. The other three are much more flimsy in comparison. Especially Chandra, good lord she sucks.

>>52569447
Because you probably want to call solider if you're playing mimics since you're in white and gideon ally is still a thing.

>>52569463

There's sizeably fair amount of cheap cats and the Prowling Serpopard in green is a Cat Snake. But we do need to see the rest of the set to see a good curved weenie-midrange brew.

>>52569486

Not if i'm playing with cats I don't.

>>52569475
But anon, you can't have a character that's defined by their impulsiveness, spontaneity, passion and love of freedom without them acting like a millennial teenager with ADHD. Everyone knows that.

>>52569427
Last time Captain of the Watch is in standard it's not. Granted, cmc 5 is way more playable than 6.

>>52569475
>Jace is okay because he's basically just a big nerd that spills his spaghetti everywhere constantly
When he was in his own "thought tower" so to speak during Emrakul's rampage, I thought he was pretty funny. He's a cool detective-esqe character that gets dragged down by the rest of his Scooby Doo gang a lot of the time. Jace reminds me of like a visual novel main character but I like that.

>>52569157
If only it have embalm.
Yes, i only want to see another wrapped up cat.

>>52569427
>>52569518
you guys are forgetting that Oketra's monument exists

>>52569533

Maybe there will be spells that give your dudes Embalm

>>52569411
Don't forget
>even more boring and Suetastic than Elspeth the Generic Paladin Archetype

Literally how can you like these nuwalkers.

>>52569475
Jace should be a supporting character. He's way too passive for a lead and frankly he suffers for it. I absolutely don't want any of the other baywatch to become the lead though so maybe we need some new fucking walkers.

>>52569545
Doubt it, seeing that all embalmed creature have their own tokens.
Also, even if they do, i won't see my wrapped up cat.

>>52569420
same here, since the jacetice league appearance Magic lore is turned into a gigantic capeshit-tier "muh hero will save the planes"....fucking unsufferable

>>52569534
Nah, I think the thing is a limited only card. Would've considered it if it created a Cat Warrior token instead of just Warrior.

>>52569475
>The female members are all written like shit and Jace and Gideon suffer for it.
>implying Jace and Gideon aren't also written like shit

>>52569555
I'd rather we ditch walkers and have them be supporting characters in general. They should focus more on the planes and the characters on them.

>>52569431
'sup Desolator

>>52569534
I'm still pissed about how unbalanced the monuments are
White and Green get playable cards as usual
Red and Black get decent draft chaff
Blue gets absolute garbage with an effect that wasn't even playable on a land

>>52569582
They're incredibly average, actually. Jace is only insufferable in card flavor text. He spends most of the time being a bumbling sack of nerves. Gideon has his moments and is at the very least inoffensive unlike the other three. Do I want more of them? No, but I'd be okay with them being occasionally reoccurring supporting characters.

>>52569475
Anon Jace and Gideon aren't written any better. Jace lost any potential he had years ago, he was never a great character but early on he had a bit of moral grey edge that played with the amoral nature of Blue and yadda yadda, and he has has exactly ZERO development since that initial introduction. All he's gotten is some magic mushrooms to jack up his sooper speshul unique X-Men power. That doesn't pass for development.

>>52569601
Yes I agree absolutely. They can stay the oathwatch or whatever, but the story should play from the perspective of the residents of the plane and tie into whatever plot the oath are trying to thwart. Rosewater to keep his power rangers and we don't have to suffer Chandra's retardation more than in passing.

>Liliana leads the way, and the rest join her, and soon we're all standing inside, looking out at the blur of sand and dust creating a constant sound like a thousand mothers shushing their children at some kind of weird place where there'd be a thousand mothers and their children gathered, only the thousand mothers is just tens of thousands of grains of sand washing over our little dome in this crazy storm.

I seriously never want to read a Chandra perspective again.

>>52569624
Anything is better than ALLCAPSALLTHETIME Chandra whose character is a worse Jaya, Liliana "I'm such a cool, evil bitch" Vess, and Nissa the overly sensitive nature nazi.

>>52569157
>4x Toolcraft exemplar
>4x Thraben Inspector
>4x scrapheap scrounger
>4x Walking Ballista
>1x Felidar Guardian
>3x Regal Caracal
>2x Archangel Avacyn

>2x Oketra's Monument
>4x fatal push
>4x unlicensed disintegration

>4x Gideon, Ally of Zendikar

Mardu cats might be a thing.

>>52569688
>Mardu cats
>Has 4 cats

At that point, you might as well just call the deck by its archetype.

>>52569436
KITTY

>>52569373
I may consider it for my silly pinger EDH because it's really a silly deck.

>>52569346
What they expect:
>Hour of Revelation
>Hour of Glory
>Hour of Promise
>Hour of Eternity
What they got:
>Hour of Devastation

>>52569706
Honestly there's no room for the cats in the way mardu aggro is structured.

Although Mardu midrange might be possible thanks to Oketra's Monument allowing you to cast Avacyn, cataclysmic gearhulk and regal caracal at 4 mana with felidar guardian at 3 mana allowing you to do flicker shenanigans.

But the problem is midrange can't deal with copycat and ballista is literally the only card keeping copycat in check, so either build a slower shittier deck with ballista stapled on or take a established and strong shell and try to fit the cats in it.

>>52569373
Krenko

>>52569346
Yo this is a legit card

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Secret sidedeck tech against affinity

>>52569157
Proof that /tg/ is bad at magic.

>>52569645
I just want Nahiri and Garruk to show up and kill them all.

>>52569897
I want Planeswalker to be removed from the game and the Lore.

>>52569854
That's a solid uncommon. I can't vouch for Modern but I know ETB creatures like Reclamation Sage and Acidic Slime see lots of play

>>52569911
Same. They're one of the most annoying card types to deal with unless your deck is running lots of efficient creatures, which seems to be what Wizards is pushing

>>52569854
It's a better Reclamation Sage in everything but Elfball. Pretty nice.

>>52569940
Reclamation Sage destroy Enchantment too.

>>52569940
>>52569921
It only target artefacts though, so more specialized.

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Will this reprint see any play in this standard?

>>52569962
Yes.

>>52569897
>Nahiri
>Caring about the Gatewatch

Ob Nixilis and Garruk should be the one to kill them
Ob nearly succeeded once already

>>52569962
Fucking guess.

>>52569854
I predict every deck that splashes green to run at 4 of this card plus 4 ballista.

>>>52569959
Its specifically made to hose the cat combo, since every cat clone comes into play as a artifact creature, before they're exiled at the end of the turn.

>>52569962
> Flavour serves as new players tip
A bit blunt, I would say.

>>52569962
I want to see the creature that's burning in the art

>>52569987
more like when etb, destroy heart of kiran

>>52569854
>another utility creature for Newzuri

Nice. Solid card. Not overly powerful, solid draft pick (mid to late picks), could see sideboard play in Standard of Green based creature decks can be a thing. Just a decent, solid card.

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Decent in limited

>>52559813
Just realized
the hands are making the bolas horn design

>>52570001
The etb is for destroying Throne of the god-pharaoh, so copycat can't you kill without attacking.

>>52569373

glare of subdual tokens sisay.dec

doubling season / army of the damned

>>52569987
>Its specifically made to hose the cat combo

Except, you know, Amonkhet was already finalized and sent to the printers by the time Aether Revolt was released. So no.

>>52570034
>implying they weren't well aware of the combo while kaladesh was being printed

>>52569962
>magma spray
>shock
>incendiary flow
>harnessed lightning
>fiery temper
>galvanic bombardment
>cut

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>>52570045
>he didn't read the design notes article

They completely missed it. Utterly and entirely fucked up and didn't see the interaction.

>>52569854
It means nonblue decks can shut down Aetherworks without counterspells. I'll play a couple in my sideboard.

>>52569854
could this see play in Vintage?

>>52570076
>believing anything MaRo says or writes

>>52570034
It may not have been made specifically made to counter cat combo, but it does that anyway AND kills Kiran.

>>52570070
Suddenly that t4 attacking Hazoret doesn't sound as impossible as before.

>>52569431
whats some good token makers in standard?

>>52570150
Sram's Expertise, that lesbian who spits out servos

>>52569883
wat
seriously. how this compare to t2 ad nauseaum tendrils?
Or in modern, t3 karn?
Only stupid casualfags would fell for this shit

>>52570104
That wasn't MaRo, that was Forsythe that said "whoops yeah we missed that"

>>52570104
First of all, it was written by Stoddard, not MaRo. Second, they've admitted to many, many design fuckups in the past, why lie about it now?

>>52570203
>How does that rock compare to that mountain?

>>52570164
I came up with green eldrazi token makers with the win cons as

Throne of the god pharoh

alternate win con

Westvale abbey
walking ballista
zerg rush

>>52569854
This is a great example of how to make a good card without it having to be too strong or meta defining.

>>52570222
>>52570244
Mtg thrives from exposures from angry neckbeards screaming at every forum on how Rosewater is shit and should be hanged, why stop now?
Why do you think they choose someone with such a grating voice for his position?

>>52559813
you can play living end, restore balance with this....

>>52570415
I think MaRo is a pretty nice guy and doesn't deserve most of the shit we say about/to him

>>52569461
>playing a shitty card to shore up your chances against corner case cards easily hated out by everything else in your deck
w e w
e
w

>>52570415
That doesn't even make sense. MaRo isn't exactly the best person in the world, but he's not so bad that he needs to be hanged. He's just doing his job, designing magic cards and spouting the words that his bosses put in his mouth. He doesn't really deserve all the hate people give him, just some.

Really, we should hate the shadowy person who thought that the Invocations looked good and approved them.

>>52570444
My guess is they missed the combo or didn't care enough to change the interaction

>>52570507
They've straight up said they don't test for anything other than limited or standard (and you'd be had pressed to call that group of casual shitters they have for the FFL "testers")

>>52570461
>>52570497
It's his job and maintained persona.
It's why his Blogatog Q&A is neckbeard favorite when screaming about him. He's extremely vague in every answer he made and his choice of words are as grating as his voice. He used to work in movie scripting so i'm pretty sure he knows what he's doing.

>>52569854
RIP any artifact not named walking balista, this is going right into 4c Saheeli as a 4 off between main and side

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Sbinx

>>52570621
>efficient flyer in blue
oh wow

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naga confirmed

>>52569982
Why not Bolas? He's right here in a set and has been known to devour those who dare make enemies of him. Which basically only Liliana would be bright enough to not do.

The new cast will consist of based leader Ajani, Tamiyo for the smarts, Ashiok as the team psychopath because muh internal friction, Arlinn because somebody's got to speak for the trees or at least the furries and Daretti because fuck primary-red is short on decent 'walkers.

They will promptly be written just as terribly as the Gatewatch was.

>>52570621
>blue finally gets an efficient flyer

IMPOSSIBURU!

>>52570621
Great card. Standard playable even, if the format can slow down a bit.

>>52570621
>4/4
>flying
>2UU

fake?

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exert lord doing what jackals do best

>>52570621

Why doesn't this guy cost 7?

>>52570661
>exert
>looter
>Exooter

>>52570658
Not until Kaladesh rotates out.

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Gideon Tribal?

>>52570621
4/4 for 2UU with free scrying for cycling and discard PLUS U cycling?

That's an 8 dollar card.

>>52570621
This is a blue """bomb"""
People getting excited over this shows the current state of the color pie

>>52570646

I hate WotC

>Print Naga instead of Snake
>Publicly apologize for the fuck up
>Do it again

How?

>>52570621
I'll never get used to these new frames, I could've sworn this card was blue for a sec

>>52570697
This is one of those walker searcher that's included in every noob walker deck pack.

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>>52570681
Well, yes, that was what I was inplying.

>>52570697
>shitty planeswalker deck tutoring on a rare in an actual set

God, if you can hear me, strike me down and end this suffering.

>>52570697
>Gideon, Martial Paragon

T H R E E G I D E O N S
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>>52570650
>Why not Bolas? He's right here in a set and has been known to devour those who dare make enemies of him. Which basically only Liliana would be bright enough to not do.
>Bolas
>Allying with anyone but his ego
>Tracking down his enemies through the Blind Eternities
>Going where they are himself to take care of them
>Bolas
Nah.

>>52570731
>>52570737
Planeswalker deck, guys, you can breath

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PW from the Planeswalker Deck, now with loyalty counters

>>52570621
Not shitty enough to exist

>>52570637
text looks fake

>>52570697
>>52570729

Calm down guys, these are most likely the Planeswalker deck specific cards. Remember the shitty Nissa and Chandra specific cards during Kaladesh?

>>52570760
I thought they had a different set symbol?

>>52570731
see >>52570715

>>52570737
>>52570731

Read the bottom of the card. It's 272 of 269. It's from the planeswalker deck.

>>52570770
yeah, that's why they're both on the mothership
bellend

>>52570778
No, they are considered as the same set.

>>52570760
>4x Gideon, Ally of Zendikar
>4x Gideon of the trials
>4x Gideon, Martial Paragon
>4x Champion of the trials
>4x Gideon's resolve

I for one welcome our Gideon Overlords

>>52570708
> Publicly apologise

Link pls?

>>52570803
you do realize the resolve only picks up the nub gideon?

>>52570803
"ONE OF US, ONE OF US"

>>52570697
There must be a misprint on this. It's suppose to say Gideons you control gets +1/+1.

>>52570767
>-10: You win instantly.
Yeah, I know ults are supposed to be game-winning already but they still take a bit of time to win
This one is
>Ult
>Swing
>Win

Pretty harsh for a newbie deck

>>52570767
The cartouches, Bowlahs!

>>52570830
Good art

>>52570700
Unless speculators go crazy this won't go anywhere above $2 and that's being generous
You've got broken planeswalkers and infinite combos on turn 4, what is this going to do against anything? Especially when the most played deck in the format runs 4 of a 2 mana 4/4 flyer

>>52570803
You forgot Oath of Gideon for MAXIMUM GIDEONDRIVE

>>52570543

He's also been working on set design for fifteen(?) years, and it appears that he has no idea what he's doing.

>>52570655

There's always Delver.

>>52570621
So blue may be able to be finally playable in limited after years?

>>52569427
>7/7 worth of p/t over 3 bodies for 5 mana wont be played?

Depends on format really. Dromoka was a 7/7 flier for 5 and saw zero play.

>>52570880
>not MAXIMUM OVERGIDS

One. Job.

>>52570803
>>52570880
>4x Gideon, Ally of Zendikar
>4x Gideon of the trials
>4x Gideon, Martial Paragon
>4x Champion of the trials
>4x Gideon's resolve
>4x Oath of Gideon
>4x Gideon's Reproach

G I D E O N
I
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>>52570936
>Champion of the trials
It's Companion not Champion

>>52570897
>and it appears that he has no idea what he's doing
Yeah sometimes you really ask yourself how they could miss something obvious like giving a tribal component to the legendary werewolf people asked since original innistrad.

>>52570946
My mind and heart is too full of Gideon to think and type properly.

Gideon is life, Gideon is love.

>>52570830
I read that as Dessicated Nigga at first.

PW deck Liliana is horrendous, she's definitely taking over Tibalt as the worst PW in history

>>52570969
It's Beefslab not Gideon.

>>52570897
You didn't really think he have designed mtg for 15 years did you?

>>52570978
No its Dirk Hardpeck.

>>52570923
Dromoka had bolster, and it triggers when attacking, and she doesn't have haste.

Regal Caracal is a 3/3 that makes ALL Cats +1/+1, not just their kitties, which means you already have 7/7 total p/t at minimum assuming they doesn't die to removal.

We'll see, though. I wouldn't bet on this cat, though.

>>52570646
>NOT A FUCKING BLUE CREATURE

FUCK YOU WIZARDS YOU SLUT REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

>>52570998
Trash unless we get something insanely good to reanimate

>>52570998
Wasting such a picture on a shitty card.

>>52570998
BW zombie embalm tribal for standard?

>>52571004
Regal Caracal might see play if Kaladesh rotates out and the format slows the fuck down enough for midrange and control to be viable.

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Where are my God spoilers
REEEEEEEEEEEE

>>52571028
I want them, but after Red/Blue I am a bit apprehensive.

>>52570998
I like the art

>>52570998
They really want to force zombies in Standard, eh

>>52571028
>like 30 spoilers today when its usually 4-5
>still being whiny

???

>>52570998
>fruits and bananas
In mtg, only black characters know the importance of a well balanced diet.

>>52570979
He is head designer since 2003 and work as a designer since 1996. So yes not 15, 21.

>>52570959

The most egregious example was the retrospective article on New Phyrexia.

MaRo literally said that when they were designing Mental Misstep, it was originally supposed to be a Daze clone, but that he pushed to make the card a hard counter instead. The rest is history.

http://magic.wizards.com/en/articles/archive/feature/cards-my-sleeve-2011-05-16

>>52571057

Cherry Pie and the Banana King, lol

>>52571060

That actually proves my point. And yes, I forget how long I've been playing Magic sometimes.

>>52570767
>turn 4, 7 loyalty planeswalker you have to kill in order to be able to win

>>52570998
is this the intro deck walker?

>>52571081
>banana king
>becomes a dragon's necklace

>Amonkhet is Bola's domain
>Lilliana just so happens to show up on Amonkhet
>Gets new card in almost the exact same pose as Tasigur
>eating fruit

Calling it now, Lilliana is going become Bolas's necklace or earring.

>>52570936
standard is GI-DONE

>>52570998
Straight into my sidisi deck

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>>52571142
No. Intro one is 7.

>>52571065
Wouldn't misstep be MORE powerful as a daze clone?

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>>52571163

>>52570998
Oh baby come to daddy, we're gonna have so much fun in EDH

>>52571176
Why is her CMC so much higher then the PW deck gideon.

>>52571199
Because white privilege.

>>52570998
>That -3
OH BABY

>>52571199
Why can't you use basic English?

So when are they gonna spoil the native walker?
I swear to god if it's a human...

>>52571199
Because Magic development are a bunch of retarded children who can't into balance. Expecting two starter decks/duel decks/commander decks/whatever to have a 50/50 matchup against each other is like asking a moose to dress in drag and do the hula.

>>52571274
If Amonkhet really is a plansewalker factory as we anticipate, maybe we won't see one until the trials have been completed

>>52571274
It's Bolas

>>52571165
Nah. It'd just be a really good tempo spell. Y'know, instead of hard countering the most competative cmc this side of 0.

>>52571176

This is just unbelievable trash.

>>52571028
Oketra - 4/5, needs creatures on field to be active, makes tokens
Rhonas- 6/6, have to control a creature w/ high power, pumps up your creatures
Bontu- 5/4, a creature has to die to be active, you can pay mana to put -1 counters on creatures

>>52570809
Playable with Nest of Scarabs?

>>52571305
Bolas is in the next set, dumbass

>>52570998
>liliana of the grapes

>>52571306

Maybe the whole point was to make 1 mana cost less attractive.

Magic has always had the problem that spells that cost more than like two mana need to win the game by themselves to be playable. Misstep was a good step away from that. The problem was that you could Misstep a Misstep.

>>52570646
Fucking HELL. FUCK NAGA.

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>>52571274
It's gonna be a new Ashiok.
Ashiok's horns follow the Bolas horn aesthetic, it was wearing arm guards exactly the same as the guards in the Amonkhet set artworks, we never knew its home plane, etc.

>>52571337
Why not both? We have 3 gideons

>>52571274

Female Jackal Planeswalker whose Spark ignited before the trials.

>>52571010
Don't yoy know that only green gets to draw cards now?

>>52570998
utter trash, lol

>>52571399

Fun fact: Card drawing was originally intended to be a green ability back when Richard Garfield was designing Alpha. Because green means growth and such.

Imagine how different the game would be if like 95% of card draw spells had been green from the start, including Ancestral Recall.

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>>52571393
God, I hope so

>>52570809

Why the fuck do they print shit like this? This card would have been laughed out of a Triple Homelands draft pool.

>>52571477
For intro decks, for fuck's sake, think before you post

>>52571481

Why the fuck should intro decks have cards that are absolutely unplayable even against other intro decks?

It literally should not exist.

>>52570998
Wait, this is the set Liliana, not the deck one?
Holy shit, she's bad

>>52571487
>It literally should not exist

Just like you and me, yet here we are.

>>52571487
>even against other intro decks?
They are designed to be played against eachother so that's obviously bullshit
Your first experience should be sub-par cards so you understand enough about the game to see good cards and get excited about them

>>52571565
We both know the gideon deck will trash lilliana's

>>52571592
>one card in this deck is arguably better than the respective card in the other so it will always win
maybe you should play Magic before you start commenting on it

>>52571635
With every card we've seen from both decks, Gideon's is better

>>52571565
>Your first experience should be sub-par cards so you understand enough about the game to see good cards and get excited about them

Eat shit. That's pure marketing bullshit at the cost of actual game balance and fun. And no, the first thing taught to new players should NOT be "this game is going to be one hundred percent pay-to-win, some cards are just a hundred times better than other cards and they also cost more money so open your wallet fuckboi".

>>52571694
>the cards in this product that I will never buy and wasn't made for me isn't up to my standard so it shouldn't exist

>>52571565
>They are designed to be played against eachother

And one of them is always going to win because Wizards have no idea how to balance anything.

>>52571710

Maybe there was a chance I'd buy it if it wasn't intentionally made fucking worthless for anyone to ever buy at any price

>>52571274
It's gonna be nissa. Just wait and see. Don't tell me they wouldn't do it.

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Lol

>>52571852
.... okay, this one is goodish. Definitely cute and spicy.

>>52571830
There are 4 planeswalkers in the first set and 2 in the second, not counting intro deck ones

>>52571710
I bought event decks back in the day and those were good products for beginners and veteran players.

>>52571358
Bolas will be in hour of devastation, as will damnation, both as standard playable and as an invocation, damnation will be rarity-shifted to mythic


you can feel i'm right

>>52571852
This gets around the mighty snek cat

>>52571900
I honestly don't think we'll get damnation in standard. It's definitely going to be an invocatoin, though

>>52571852
I approve of mixing in spell bounce with counterspells.

>>52571900
We just got a damnation reprint in MM17. So, yeah, but no.

>>52571852
Well this will put a damper on aggro.

>>52570998
Might be fun to play with in Meren. I dunno, it seems good for standard too. Make a WB deck focusing on Embalming and throw this in as well.

>>52571852

>by the way faggots, you can't put this on the stick

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>>52570809
That art is cool. Bummer it really doesn't do much though.

>>52572012
ISOCHRONFAGS BTFO

>>52570809
Well, it is on curve so you can play your crappy walker next turn...

>>52572012
You wouldn't be able to cast Comply off the stick anyway. It's only castable from the graveyard. Use Remand or Unsubstantiate, instead.

>>52571852
remand's retared brother

>>52572175
>couldn't even spell retarded correctly.

>>52572175
>unaffected by "can't be countered" and "protection from x"
>inferior to Remand

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>>52570646
GOD FUCKING DAMN IT

IT'S NOT EVEN A NAGA

>>52559813
Seems fun with Armageddon and friends.

>>52572226
Yes it is. Snake tail fron the waist down

>>52572277
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LDZX4ooRsWs

>>52570646
>Wizard
The blue card wasn't a wizard but this is...

>>52572277
Meh

>>52572277
>Vizier of poisons.
doesn't have death touch, poison, wither, or infect.

>>52572277
Seems cute to play with in commander.

>>52572277
Eh, it's not bad. Not that good, but very okay.

Is it just me, or does this set feel really, "safe," so far. Like, there's nothing obviously pushed, nothing really stands out, it just seems very "let's take it easy".

>>52572277
B U G S & S N E K S

>>52569801
>P
>R
>G
>E
We know what we must do, brothers.

>>52572361
Hoping this is something that I can make cheaply.

>>52572359
As foretold seems like a pretty big deal of a card. Also Gideon.

>>52558581

I love spoiler season, it always shows how bad /tg/ is at magic.

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>>52572272
The naga is supposed to have a humanoid head similar to the naga in Khans, these snakes have snake head and only a humanoid torso.
This makes them even MORE snake-like than the original nagas and even the Orochi from Kamigawa and yet they are still not snakes.

>>52572277
more strong independent womynz...
When will it end?

>>52572277
Neat, I was looking for a BG gudstuff commander that wasn't Meren or Jarad

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>>52572364
>Not rearranging it to spell ERPG

>>52571349
MM problem is that is a hard counter.
That counters himself.
So did I mention it is blue and costs 2life OR {u} so you can slot it anywhere and pitches to FoW?

>>52571057

Black is generally self-conscious

>>52571176
This might legitimately be worse than tibalt

>>52572277
-1/-1 counter tribal has its commander.

>>52572409
Races from different planes look different you FUCKING MORON
Amonkhet Nagas look like snakes with arms, Tarkir Nagas look like gross snake-human hybrids

>>52572421
>P
>R
>E
>G

>>52572464
Is this the rebirth of that retarded "wyverns aren't dragons" spam?

>>52572474
>N
>A
>N
>T

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>>52572489
Apparently they are drakes.

fuck yes magma spray

>>52572277
>no deathtouch
only complaint

Are they going to do things like only revealing one mythic per day?

>>52572489

Wyverns aren't dragons though

>>52572511
Why should a creature that can create almost unlimited sources of deathtouch also have deathtouch?

Seems a little redundant.

>>52572511
The snakes have it. If you are playing BG, odds are you will be making an average of two snakes per turn by turn 3

>>52572536
So she could connect for combat damage and not just be chump blocked.

>>52572410

>not knowing about Cleopatra

/pol/ be ignorant. Shocking

>>52571852
okay, interesting
>>52572277
>no combat ability for land way easier damage to an opponent
BIG MEH

>>52572558
>Cleopatra was independent

>>52572400
As foretold is meh. It probably has a place somewhere, but it's not particularly powerful. It could have been literally "Aether Vial but for instants/sorceries" and been better while not being overly powerful.

Gideon is just as fine as other walkers.

>>52572536
So she can hit in? It's not like she can make more than one snek without other creature on the battlefield.

>>52569452
Or you could just cast a verdurous gearhulk and not have to worry about shitty tribes.

>>52572582
>A two drop that produces ridiculous value just by playing cards I'd play normally should have evasion in a shell that revolves around removal, trample, and combat tricks.

>>52572277
Say hello to your new Gx top tier Duel Commander.

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>>52572618
>duel commander

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>>52572658
>french commander

>>52572277
So why won't I just block this with a token or embalm creature? Wasted potential card

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>>52572464
There is no reason for them to not be snakes.

It's like Avens having their own creature type and not count as birds. Can anyone even imagine that?

>>52572658
>>52572668

>commander

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>>52572606
>actually attacking with her

That's so naive it hurts. Just go infinite with her somehow or use other spells to kill critters while spamming tokens.

>>52572686

You aren't supposed to rely on the top ability to trigger it, mate.

>>52572689
All I said was that races look different on different planes, I am not defending the existence of Nagas.

>>52572702
maybe read the card first?

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>>52572690
>tiny leaders

>>52572721
I think that you should read the card first, mate.

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>>52572728
>Pauper Commander

>>52572690
>Not playing third best format

>>52572558
>Cleopatra
Hatshepsut would have been a better argument.

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>>52572277
Ok, I know if you put 2 -1/-1 counters on one creature, you still only get one snake, but does this card net you two since there are two creatures involved?

>>52572713
but why not just make it cost 1 more mana and give it first strike or death touch. Half synergy cards are bad because eventually someone will find a build that is more efficient. See all of the +1/+1 stuff in the past sets that doesn't get used in GB counters.
Maybe this was meant to be a commander card which if so that's fine.

>>52572410
>>52572558
There were at least two female pharaohs in Ancient Egypt. Maatkare Hatshepsut >>52572776 and Sobekkare Sobekneferu are ones that I can search up the names for off the top of my head.

>>52572762

>meme politics trash format.

>>52572779
The card only cares about the number of creatures, not the number of counters.
So if you put 8000 -1/-1 counter on every creature, you would get (number of creatures) snakes.

>>52572789
Because nobody would want to play her at 3 cmc. She's a fragile enchantment, not a creature. Attacking/Blocking/Distrubuting counters by herself is just a bonus.

>>52572789

>why not just make it worse?

>>52572750
She goes infinite pretty easily with flourishing defenses and/or the new nest of scarabs enchantment that I don't remember the name of but might just have been Nest of Scarabs making me look like a complete idiot instead of just a halfwit.

In any case, she could conceivably go off turn 3 for infinite tokens. I'm not sure but I think a magical christmasland of fast mana and Concordant Crossroads might let her fire on 2. 4-5 should be reliable sans disruption.

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>>52572854
It's cool.

>>52571911
Unsubstantiate is still in Standard.

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>>52572277
>More fucking human commanders

>>52572854
Explain?

>>52572854

>she goes infinite with [cards that don't place -1/-1 tokens].

???

>>52572854
how does she go infinite with Flourishing defenses?

You trigger her, put a -1 counter on something, flourishing defenses, triggers and you put a 1/1 elf.


end.

>>52572854
This is exactly what I am suggesting. Using her as a combo commander, instead of trying to trigger her with combat damage recklessly.