Amonkhet Spoilers

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Trials and cartouches are surprisingly efficient. This one is going to be one of the best blue commons for limited.

>Gideon of the Wallet

>>52553179

Is there any other Planeswalker with no -Abilities?

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Haven't had a two mana edict in a while, even at sorcery speed. If the cartouche deck is a thing it's because of this card

>>52553232
Amonkhet is already 10x more "enchantments matter" than all of Theros.

>>52553179
ad nauseam deck confirmed for tier 0

this is the death of t2
F

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>>52553348
Depends if you count the origins flip walkers

Why only have 4 gideons in your deck when you can have 8 or even 12.

>>52553376
>Haven't had a two mana edict in a while, even at sorcery speed.

Yeah I was very surprised. It seems decently strong, too.
I just know I'm going to end up making a janky casual 5c Cartouche/Trial deck to play against my friends with

>>52553501
One Vision
One Purpose
Peace Trought Gideon

>>52553376
I mean, this and the Blue Cartouche and maybe the White one represent a trip to valuetown I think.

>>52553501
Can you make a deck which is nothing but gideons?

>>52553179
So could this work in EDH, or would the commander have to be baby Gideon?

>>52553536
>>52553552
Before that, I need Wizards to make Bear Tribal viable.

>>52553512
>You can't kill the Gideon
>Gideon lives in jank

>>52553536
Well yeah, if you're a terrible person.

>>52553570
Bear planeswalker when?

>>52553568
you bet that the next commander set features the Jacetice League as possible commanders

Okay people.

Rate the Cartouches and Trials from best to worst.

>>52553606
>Trials
Black > Green > Blue > White > Red

>Cartouches
White >= Blue = Red > Green > Black

>>52553606
Cartouches: W=U=G>B>R
Trials: G>B>U>R>W

>>52553647
close, white trial will be better than blue trial depending on how pushed exert is.

>>52553536
In EDH, yeah. There's more than enough cards in white with Gideon art and flavor text to make a Gideon Tribal deck

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>>52553179
>last ability is basically flavour text.
Thats the problem, the gatewatch just run around being insurmountable faggots. They never lose, always win and now they have a card that emobies this faggotry. Im sick of these dicks already at its only been what like 18 months?

>>52553655
>Cartouches
>Red is worse than Green
Fighting is not that valuable

>>52553677
I was thinking of it as objective power, not the power of the set.

>>52553712
just wait until we get another Jace "I win" card

>>52553712
The last ability combos with Near-Death Experience

>>52553723
it's literally this gideon, you twat

If wizards doesn't print something on pat with Hero's downfall that makes things lose indestructible, this Gideon is going to be VERY expensive and VERY broken.

>>52553731
I don't see how.

>>52553752
yes, but we will get another card for every other Jacetice League walker that gives you an "I win" effect. Be happy to live in these exciting times.

>>52553766
Just attack him. He's not indestructable then.

>>52553179
>as long as you control a Gideon planeswalker
>a Gideon planeswalker
>there's 5 fucking versions of him

Can mono white midrange Gideon actually be a thing?

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If its worth noting, all the Cartouches connect together

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Kiora's +1 BTFO

>>52553179
>even if the third ability is basically flavor text.
It's a 3 mana Platinum Angel.

>>52553874
>Paying 4 mana for an explore

>>52553871
That's some really good art

>>52553890
The joke is that the BFZ Gideon implicitly had the ability as well.

>>52553871
>There's blood on the last Cartouche
DEEPEST

>>52553890
A platinum angel that can be attacked and subsequently bolted if you go right for the ult

Gideon tribal:


4x Kytheon, Hero of Akros
4x Path to Exile
4x Gideon's Reproach
4x Gideon of the Trials
4x Oath of Gideon
4x Gideon's Avenger
4x Gideon, Ally of Zendikar
4x Gideon Jura
4x Gideon, Champion of Justice
4x Mutavault
3x Emeria, The Sky Ruin
19 Plains

>>52553871
That's really cool

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>>52553871
MEZAMETA KOKORO WA HASHIRIDASHITA
MIRAI WA EGAKU TAME

Unlike Ally of Zendikar this Gideon is not doing one thing. Ally of Zendikar was a really good aggressive planeswalker, but Of the trials only has his trademark animate ability that's really aggresive. You're free to call me out for this after the protour, but I don't think he is gonna be as good as the current Gideon. He's good but bfz Gideon still seems better. This one isn't doing much but stopping damage and swinging as a 4/4. At least you can kill this one with a grasp of darkness. I could be wrong but I couldn't see anyone wanting to play this one with the bfz one. T3 Gideon into t4 Gideon doesn't seem all that great. Could be wrong...this thing could be broke, it does stop cat combo for a turn.

>>52553918
the same can be said about JTMS and I don't see anyone dismissing that card

>>52553871
snazzy

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>>52553928

>>52553947
memes

>>52553928
Hello plebbit

>>52553943
Oh I didn't know this new Gideon Brainstormed and Fate Sealed and bounced.

>>52553723
I'm just waiting for this set to include a 5 Color Bolas Walker with a "You win the Game" Ultimate

>>52553928
Why not gideon battle-forged instead of gideon's avenger?

>>52553179
Can we break down how broken this is?

3 mana 3 loyalty is good.

+1 nullifies a source, which is good at ANY point in the game. Can shut down things like Balista from pinging things down. In modern it shits on Death's Shadow, with the only answer in that deck being Abrupt Decay.

4/4 indestructible for 3 is already better than the God cards revealed.

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>>52553981
>Bolas
>5 color

>>52553988
That's just the other side of Kytheon, Hero of Akros...

>>52553871
I'm going to bet that the cartouches are in order that the trials are.

>>52554007
Oh i'm dumb

>>52554000
Checked

>>52553981
>if you have 4 Dark Intimations in your graveyard, you can use his Ult the turn you cast him
>He has no + abilities. The only way you can use his Ult is with Dark Intimations.

>>52553998
>Shits on Death's Shadow
Lmao

>>52553712
Phyrexia can't come soon enough

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Wow a Red Playable Mythic that encourages creatures the tappening to happen again?

COUNT
ME
THE
FUCK
IN

FUCK COMBO
FUCK CONTROL
HERE WE GO

>>52554026
Phyrexia should have died with Yawgmoth.

You and I both know they're just going to be thoroughly curbstomped by the Jacetice league without any effort.

Could platinum Gideon see play in ad nausium? With the whole you can't lose the game bit and it being a 3 drop (forgive my ignorance in not a modern player)

>>52554052
Normally I'd agree with you, however Wizards has already said Phyrexia is the be all end all villain of MTG so unless the plan to destroy them and revive them a second time I doubt it will be as simple as fireball Elesh norn in the face.

>>52554061
Ad Nauseam already has enough things to not die, its not like they need anymore.

>>52554040
Seems like it could be okay in bushwacker zoo

>>52554061
It's unlikely. They already have Unlife and Angel's grace, and they don't really need more than that.

>>52554040
>>52554042

So could i use seeker of skybreak or others to have infinite combat?

>>52554080
Don't you remember how they literally just took a fat shit on the Eldrazi Titans? It's fucking retarded

>>52554091
Can only exert once per turn

If it had vigilance it would get infinite attack steps and that would be dumb.

Bouncing it and giving it haste on the other hand....

>>52553179
Seems good against ad nauseum

This set has been hot shit so far and I don't think it will get any better

>>52554091
No.

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Ignoring powerlevel, which Gideon do you like better abilitywise?

>Its BFZ all over again.
>A chase Mythic Gideon and absolute garbage on the rest of the rares and mythics.

wew lad

>>52554134
This new Gideon isn't half as good as old Gideon

I'm just exhausted that this is the best preview card they've shown so far and once again, it's Another Fucking Gideon. I always felt that people were exaggerating when they talk about how Wizards only wants to push planeswalkers and story cards, but Jesus guys.

>>52553942
he's definitely not good in the same way as Zengideon but I think he is still extremely good. I mean, like, on a fundamental level, he is a 3-mana planeswalker, he can defend himself, and he has the Platinum Angel text. If you're playing it and Ally of Zendikar in the same deck, it's probably because this Gideon fits into your gameplan and Ally of Zendikar is a generically overpowered PW that'll randomly win you games. I don't *think* decks will actually play the actual 8 Gideons though.

>>52553918
It also comes down on turn 3 and freezes their best dude so it can establish itself on the board. It is not hard to go into the midgame and reach the point where you have enough loyalty to take a turn off and do the Platinum Angel thing

also Bolt isn't in Standard

>>52553570
>le funny bear tribal meme

Haha ebin

>>52554000
they will have a buttfuck retarded lore reason of course. we're talking jacetice league here man

>>52553942
Fuck off Reddit

Also, it doesn't stop the cat combo at all

>>52554125
I think Ally of Zendikar because it's more likely to win games on its own, kinda like Elspeth Kinght's Errant. If he's supposed to be her replacement at least Ally of Zendikar is closer to her.

>>52554125
Old Gideon is vastly superior

>>52554040
>>52554042
Are... are we supposed to be EXCITED for this garbage?

Platinum Gideon and his Bestie Dovin Baan shitting all over your opponent's board.

>>52554218
I like that card a lot in a vacuum and there's a lot of fun dumb red creatures and it curves wonderfully into Hazoret The Pervert but

who gives a shit when your opponent is just going to lol drop a Gideon you can't win

>>52554249
Attack the Gideon you dumb fuck

>>52554264
they'll just drop more gideons

>>52554264
>Path/Push everything then Sphinx Rev for 15

>>52553232
These are going to be such bombs in Pauper. This and Ninja of Deep Hours is value for days.

>>52554271
Standard 2017 and onwards: There's Always Another Gideon

>>52554271
If they keep dropping gideons they arent dropping endgame bombs of their own.

>>52554292
oh thank God they're not dropping late game bombs

just Gideon Ally of Zendikar which as we all know is not a powerful card at all

>>52554292
Its only 3 mana

>>52554042
>playable
I'm amazed people are still convinced that there aren't any Wizards staff shills on this board

>>52554052
That's ridiculous. I'm sure the Jacetice league would come away with substantial emotional scarring

>>52554331
It's literally lightning runner 1.1

>>52554264
>the Saheeli combo isn't that powerful
>just attack Saheeli

Sound familiar?

>>52554331
it seems good to me

isn't it good?

>>52554354
I mean, for three 1 guess its alright.

>>52554345
That effect seems way better at 3 mana though

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>>52554040
>>52554042
Not like we didn't already have this

>>52554345

lightning runner is at least playable as a finisher if you have decent energy production and beaters, plus, it's hasty and has first strike

this one is bad. Like holy shit give him first strike at least or something

>>52554352
That's different AND you're stupid
What're the odds?

>>52554382
That's 5 mana dies to shock

>>52554382
5 mana, ability can't be activated without support

This card is much better

>>52554040
This seems more playable in Xenagos Commander than Lightning Runner, at least...

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>>52554392
How is that different

>>52554042
>Have this, Zada, and some beatsticks on the field
>Cast Onward to Victory on Zada
>Exert this dude
>Octuple damage

>>52554040
Cool combo with Kiki-Jiki.

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>>52554428

>>52554354
It's a worst lightning runner, and that didn't see any play. Sure, there's no energy build-around, but this has to survive a turn on the battlefield in a format with -1/-1 counters in it (I'm not even mentioning ballista). If you have a decent way to make it hasty it could be good, but by turn 4-5 it's hard to have a better board than any of the prominent decks in standard

>>52554061
Doubtful. If they immediately emblem, Gideon goes down to Bolt, Lightning Helix, and a lot of other burn that's not coming to mind, not to mention Abrupt Decay. There's also Dreadbore and Hero's Downfall, what play those see.
If they go straight for the +1, it's still open to Boros Charm.
I think people will try it, but I also think they'll see it as too fragile.

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>>52554408
So does the other

>>52554414
>Its much better because it can't untap if you choose to!
Ok

>>52554040
>>52554042
>no haste
Shit

>>52553871
>not in WUBRG order
>only one off
why does this bother me so god damn much

>>52554484
3 mana dies to shock != 5 mana dies to shock

>>52554466
yeah to be honest i don't play standard, just cube drafts and edh

>tfw still no new cards for pummler

>>52553871

why the abs tho

>>52554520
In EDH that's playable and super fun, but desu 99% of magic cards are. I never said it's a bad card, I'm saying it's not playable in a competitive format

>>52553947
>>52553953
Same reason 40 rhinos was a deck too.

>>52554536

>what is fling

>>52554536
you got a reprint though, fling.

When are they fucking going to post more brick counters cards? I swear the way they're handling this spoiler season is retarded

>>52554414
>>52554365
>>52554354
>>52554042

>3 cmc
>1 (ONE) toughness
>no haste
>no first strike
>no evasiveness

Delet this nephew, this is a $0.50 mythic

>>52554564
>>52554567

Fug I forgot fling

>>52554545
They're Gideon's abs.

He's going to complete the trials.

>>52554557
And that deck wasn't half bad, either.

>>52554382
I wanted to like this card, but the eight energy restriction kills it for me.

>>52554590
unfortunately, all the design resources that were supposed to go to making brick counter cards were reallocated to designing thousands of new, more powerful Gideons

>>52554591
it's janky at best I just like it more than Lightning Runner

>>52554591
To be fair, it *is* better than Lightning Runner in a number of ways.

The problem is that doesn't make it *good.*

>>52554040
>>52554042

The fuck is this garbage?

>>52554484

oh the other's 5 mana as well? I see...

>>52554635
But I need more janky artifacts to fuel the memedecks

>>52554557
I wish I had saved that list.

>>52554505
>>52554591
>>52554636
>>52554638
Xenagod, my dudes. He can grant it haste for a pretty good bit of damage and if it gets removed, he was expendable in the first place.

All the trials and car touchs have been spoiled.

>>52554662
IN
STANDARD

>>52554666
We know satan

>>52554656
unfortunately, all meme resources that were supposed to go to fuel meme decks were reallocated to designing thousands of new, more powerful Gideon memes

>>52554662
EEE
DEEE
AECH

>>52554662
>>52554669
>>52554681
Wait. No. It says "all other creatures." It's garbage in Xenagod too. Fuck you Wizards.

>>52554636
>>52554635
Daily reminder this format has -1/-1 counters dumbshits, this card is objectively worse than lightning runner, which is already bulk

Is it just me or are they handling spoiler season really strange. With all the days cards being spoiled in a 1-2 hour window.

>>52554746
One god per day + Gideon i guess.

>>52554746
They're also completely ignoring one of the set's mechanics, and showing us way more commons than usual

>>52554765
I guess they're trying to avoid the 'why did you show all the cool stuff early'/'why did you only show rares early' complaints they've had in the past.
Or maybe they're just being dumb. Always an option.

>>52554765
>ignoring
what? they just showcased the -1/-1 on your own creature mechanic yesterday.

>>52554845
I wanna believe that that's the case but the rares look terrible and showcasing all the commons and Uncommons first just exposes the glaring errors Wizards has been making in its recent directives regarding rarities and power levels.

I have not been feeling this spoiler season so far.

All the cards look boring.

Death of magic?

>>52554885
fuck off rudypoo, powerful uncommons are much better than chase mythics

>>52553894
two explores

>>52554909
that was Kalafail

>>52554913
2explore! lmao

>>52554909
Yes, every spoil season is the death of magic season.

>>52554949
Don't forget that between spoiler seasons is the death of magic, too.

>>52554426
Idk how are blue and nine different?
It's such a completely different scenario that comparing them at all is asinine.

This is the lamest set I've lived to see

>>52554862
The fact that you don't know what I'm talking about kinda proves my point

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Wizard being stealing a mechanic I made time ago for a custom set based on -1/-1 tokens, here is an example

>>52555012
that mechanic is retarded and also totally unrelated to anything we've seen in this set

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Story of my life.

>>52554009
We already know that the red one is the last, so it's most likely that.

>>52555012
>stealing
hahahaha

>>52555012
>Blight Seeker
>Called THE Blight Seeker
What a shitty card

>>52555012
Write card better.

>>52554042

I guess wait to play it until you can toss Cartouche of Zeal on it? Or follow up by Flinging it?

The one toughness makes it way too vulnerable.

>>52554912
Th-that's what I'm saying too sempai, watered down commons and Uncommons is a mistake

>>52554545

The entire plane is a experiment on how to get the sickest abs.

>>52555196
But that's easy. 100 push ups, 100 sit ups, 100 squats, and run 10 miles every day. It only took me two years to get where I am now.

>>52553712
>>It's only as long as Gideon is around
Bet its foreshadowing. The Gatewatch do alright against Bolas until their invincible meat shield gets taken out of action, rest of Jaycetice League get absolutely thrashed by Bolas, Ajani swoops in and whisks them away at the last minute before scolding them like the petulant children they are for coming to Amonkhet alone.

They realize Bolas isn't some big dumb eldrazi they can channel-fireball and split up to grab Ugin, take Sorin out of his timeout, and steal Elspeth back from the underworld.

Then maybe they do a little better in the rematch, with Ugin facing down Bolas while the gatewatch handle the gods and Bolas''s army of ascended Trials champions

>>52554125
I like Turn 2 Heart, Turn 3 Gideon make emblem crew heart swing, turn 4 play Gideon make dude crew heart swing again

>>52554597
>The fifth cartouche is the final affirmation of glory, granted only to the worthy dead.
>worthy dead

So when's the "Gideon fucking dies" story chapter coming out?

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>>52555127
>>52555092
Sorry, for some reason I posted the older version without the correct font.
>>>52555078
What is an hyperbole
>>52555048
>This mechanic is retarded
Why?
>Also totally unrelated to anything we've seen in this set
Again, why? I thought of this card as a Sin Eater, also it has a good sinergy with the zombie theme and locust based plagues.

>>52555303
Soon

He should have died in zendikar in those three inches of muddy water

>>52555332
Ob Nixilis displaying more creativity in ten seconds than every single antagonist across an entire season of Luke Cage.

>>52553606
Rating these from limited view, since this is what they're going to be mostly played anyway.
Trials :
Best trial is Green, since this is essentially a creature.
Followed by Red because duh.
Black and Blue tied for 3rd spot. I would give Black higher if only this isn't a token/creature recursion set.
Last is White. The effect is very strong but Inspired Charge always gets passed around because it have a narrow use.

Car touch :
Best is White, again since this is essentially creature. Also, first strike is pretty good.
Second is Blue, cantrip and evasion
Third is Black, i think -1/-1 counter would matter alot. Also lifelink > trample
Fourth is Green, would've tied this to Black if the fight doesn't have to be done by the enchanted creature.
Last is Red because duh.

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>>52555271
Ajani saves the Gatewatch, Gideon dies

They need a new white facewalker

Ajani says he might know a person

>>52555420
Does Solidarity need a target for you to cast it? Like you can't just cast it, get the soldier, then enchant the soldier for a 1 mana 2/2 first strike right?

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>>52555258

>>52555432

Then Jace gets replaced by Tamiyo and they become the Menstruation Watch?

>>52555463
Nope can't. You need an existing creature.

>>52555303
Gideon's not actually going to die. He wins the Trials, but it turns out that the Trials don't actually kill you they teleport you to some kind of Bolas army compound or whatever. Some dumb shit like that.

>>52555432
>hmm, you need a new white walker to replace gideon and i know just the right person for it.
>goes behind the stage, came out again
>hey guys, i heard from a friend that you need a white walker?

>>52555543
I think the Trials do kill you but Bolas has turned the plane into a planeswalker farm. Those with sparks ignite when they get stabbed, those without just die.

They even call the people crops. He's trying to get an army of planeswalkers that revere him as a god

>>52555580
Thats a lot of fucking work for a pretty meager payoff.

>>52555580
Is this >>52555467

I'm pissed we haven't seen one single sphinx in yet in the motherfucking Egypt plane

>>52554909
>Death of magic?
Nah. Probably just a down period. For a number of reasons this feels Theros-y to me.

>>52555580
Don't planeswalker sparks require a lot of agony, despair, or some great desire to escape? Expected death that is considered honorable doesn't seem like it would trigger ignition. There have been cases of sparks not igniting, such as when Khan's Narset didn't ignite when Zurgo killed her.

>>52555580
Looking at
>>52553871
>>52553941

I'm pretty sure the Soul Gems do SOMETHING to preserve the worthy, perhaps as liches or something. I refuse the believe collecting all the Gym Badges doesn't do anything for the individual.

But yeah using Jackal mom to kill them as a way of making the spark ignite is a pretty neat trick. Planeswalkers hate him.

>>52555595
>a lot of fucking work
He's not even there, probably somewhere else minding his own business. Also all the "hours are a lie" thingy implies there's some timewarp involved to make the process faster
>such a meager playoff
Having an entire army of highly trained, extremely loyals, brainwashed into believing you are God plainswalkers sounds like a pretty good deal.

>>52555661
It depends on each person. He have a whole plane of brown people to stab anyway.

>>52555661
Maybe the Pervert doesn't really kill them, and there's some trick behind it

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>>52555661
After some quick googling and wiki searching it is possible, but they prefer the trauma start for their characters to actually give them motivation

I'd say succeeding at an event you've aspired to all your life to impress your god and receiving your spear through the chest reward (I'm assuming they believe this sends them to heaven or something) is a highly emotional moment with a lot of physical trauma so it's a mix.

>>52555763
As prepared as you are, getting stabbed in your chest and left there to bled to death is still pretty traumatic.

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>mythic rares
>planeswalker cards
>refusal to reprint iconic staples
>mana costs of instants and sorceries increasing
>two-set blocks
>the jacetice league
>shallow planes that are just themeparks for the jacetice league to bumble around in

It didn't have to be like this.

>>52555806
Right, it might not be the tortured by Phyrexians, or about to be executed spark ignitions of others since it's probably the proudest moment of their life but a god is still ramming a spear in their chest

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>>52555832
Bring back Urza

>>52555325
Fuck off

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>>52555506

>>52555855
>Urza, Karn and Bolas form the Big Boys Club to actually solve problems rather than cause them

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>>52555432
>Gideon dies

This is Bolas we're talking about.

>>52555915
>Their signature spell, Oath of Big Guys costs 4U.

Please make this happen Wizards.

>>52555966
>Even more Jace´s in Grixis colors
FUCK NO!

>>52555467
No, it's a One Punch Man reference.

>>52556004
I believe big boy there >>52555467 was attempting something his kind like to call an "ironic shitpost".

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I just want this vapid planeswalker adventure hour stuff to end. It's like the fucking Weatherlight era but nobody dies and the heroes always win.

>>52556033
Man, I fondly remember many a confused high school boner originating from Kamigawa and my Sacchi deck. Good times.

>>52554553

>99% of cards are edh playable

That's just not true at all, what edh is unique in, is that it makes low floor-high ceiling cards more playable

>>52556072
This. EDH may accept jank, but only cards that are jank because they have potential that isn't fully realized in other formats. Cards that are truly shit in all situations don't see use usually.

>>52556033
Not to mention that not even the weatherlight era had 5 cards each set guaranteed to be Gerrard, Squee, Hannah, and so on

>>52556123
5 cards a set guaranteed to be story cards isn't that bad, come on

One of them this set is even a common. The problem isn't the characters it's how poorly written and used they are which is a symptom of a set's story coming down to about a half dozen short stories before having to move onto the next set

>>52553179

I fucking knew it. From the moment they said the set would have full - art lands it had "Hot garbage and a 4-of chase mythic" written all over it.

It's like BFZ all over again, even down to the cycle of fetchable duals

>>52556004

It is a reference to nu-weebs forcing in completely out of place references in an attempt at humor.

>>52556190
The obnoxious "IS THAT A JOJO REFERENCE" posters are worse than the ones that actually meant it. Ironic shitposting is still shitposting and I blame both the animeonly Jojofags and the anti-jojofags.

>>52553605
Honestly, I think I'd be okay with that. I mean they're going to keep pushing the Jacetice League as mascots anyhow, so having them usable as commanders just kinda makes sense from a marketing perspective.

>>52555661
That's what the mumbo jumbo surrounding it is for. Anyone who got to the last trial will have a very strong desire to leave Amonkhet to the afterlife they were promised.

ok so after seeing today

Gideon, Ally of Zendikar - banned
Gideon will die in story

on a scale of 1-10 how likely is this?

>>52556473
i really want magic to die rrrreeeeeeeeee/10

I just realized the worst possible enemy to Bolas's plans for this plane is for somebody to have a Spark ignite before going through the trials. They'll know the culture, so they can tear down the dogma built up around the trials.

The real question is how would the Gods react to having proof their purpose is a lie?

>>52556563
they become powerless and beg for attention.
devotion back for block 2

Im thinking we might have a hellvault thing going on here. Maybe Bolas is keeping the sould of the trail winners in some reservoir in hopes of finding a way to bring them back and give them sparks, should they prove they dont have one in the trials. That or save them as a "break in case of need of army of badasses" thing.

Its obviois the plan is to find people with sparks, but Bolas probably has a plan for all those who dont too.

>>52556563
>react
They don't. You are chosen personally by the God Pharaoh and you should be proud of it.

>>52556649
while I agree that bolas probably has a plan for those that don't have sparks I doubt wotc has plans for those that don't so he won't actually have a plan for them at it will come off as shitty writing

>>52556697
Youre probably right there...too tied up in attemptimg to make thw gatewatch seem cool.

>>52556257
Doesn't matter what it is, trips, ponies, jojo, the anti-(annoying thing of the month)fags are -always- worse. The (annoying thing of the month)fags post their dank meme of choice and go on their way to snicker about how clever they are or whatever, unless an anti-whateverfag is there to throw an autistic shit fit.

No god today? Really?

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Oh good grave hate

>>52556746
spoilers are still going
>>52556752

>>52556764
Well then. I'm dying to see the white or black one. I honestly like both the red and blue one so far. I am not upset about their hand restrictions.

>>52556783
I'm willing to be Oketra can't do anything unless you have so many creatures, Bantu unless you have so many cards in your own grave, and Rhonas probably a power count just like the Atarka clan did

>>52554042
>>52554040

>We want the flavor of mythic rare to be something that feels very special and unique. Generally speaking we expect that to mean cards like Planeswalkers, most legends, and epic-feeling creatures and spells. They will not just be a list of each set's most powerful tournament-level cards.

Ah, yes. Very "epic" indeed.

>>52556783
Hazomat the pervert is downright playable and the blue god is cheap enough to make blue vehicles viable. Idk why everyone is mad.

>>52556831

Peopl were hoping for more good commanders, the two spoiled gods are designed for standard

>>52556831
The blue God can also bounce lands along with his draw to make 7+ cards very easy, and think of how fun bouncing the cycle lands would be. I regret only playing commander there, but still like him.

Hazoret is a lovely burn/madness commander who should never really have trouble being able to attack or block. And the limits and restrictions make me imagine they'd be more fun to play as I have to use more strategy.

>>52553535
The white and blue ones are +0 CA-wise so maybe.

>>52556820
They said they would never print utility mythic when the rarity was introduced, they printed Lotus cobra the next set.

>>52556797
Seeing as they are pushing -1/-1 counters hard one of the Gods will be based on those. My guess is a restriction of having 4ish -1/-1 counters placed on creatures and an ability to place counters

>>52556863
But I only play commander and like them both so far. Vocal angry people don't count as the whole community >>52556882
I believe that.

>>52556831
Yeah, jackal yiffer actually looks like she synergizes with the cycling/discard matters theme going on with this set.

My hatred for the Keknet stems from a hatred for shitty Kamigawa mechanics that I genuinely wished I never needed to see ever again. But I recognize the land bounce is a may clause and it's good with vehicles.

Wanna see the other Gods though, I wanna see how badly they fuck up Bantu despite the fact that he's a no-brainer as long as you're okay with recycling Erebos, which they definitely won't do.

>>52556899

I don't think the red one is playable in commander but I'm not complaining, not every legendary creature should be a good commander or good in the format at all

>>52556962
I -do- feel Hazpret is playable but understand my group plays duel exclusively. From the point of view of knowing she would only ever one opponent, j think she would be a ton of fun as a madness burn commander, a unique way to build mono red edh.

>>52556953
Im disapointed kekmet wasnt playable with smugglers copter. The value levels are high.

>>52555832
>shallow planes that are just themeparks

And that's different from any other plane ever how? Or are you that big of a pleb you actually read the garbage they spew out for "lore"?

>>52556882
something like
p/t : something big
bontu cant attack or block unless it have 5 or more -1/-1 counters on it.
ability : put a -1 counter on bontu, then you may move a -1 counter from target creature you control to another target creature.

>>52553998
I think you meant valakut, not deaths shadow

>>52556953
Needing 7 cards in hand to enable a bunch of old grandpas in Kamigawa was pretty annoying even if I actually like the cards and can recognize that they're garbage.

>>52557007
I read the lore, I hate how planes like Ravnica or Kaladesh feel like one single city where as other places like innistrad feel like maybe one continent, and then Zendikar is clearly an entire world

It's pretty dumb.

>>52556996

Duel commander is completely different, I wasn't considering that, hazoret actually seems quite powerful as a burn deck commander in 20 life 1v1

I don't think he's playable in 40 life multiplayer commander

>>52557002
Now that you mention Smuggler's Copter, I'm suddenly reminded of how our new discard spell hits the Copter but not Heart of Kiran.

That's sketchy as fuck.

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>>52555915
>Bolas
Don't you mean Ugin?

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>>52557021
>Maintain 7 cards in hand to turn one beater
>Lose the game because you're not playing any other cards

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>>52556752
Yes

YESSS

>>52557104
The bird god is basically Soramaro but better and Soramaro was never a good card.

>>52557085
Ugin caused the Eldrazi problem that fucked Zendikar, Innistrad and (indirectly) Tarkir over by refusing to tell Nahiri and Sorin that they could be killed.

>>52556831
>why are people mad
because unlike what you might think both the blue and red god are completely unplayable trash unless we see a serious shakeup with some bannings

Red god doesn't help RDW or madness decks break into tier one and beat the current mardu vehicle lists or stop copycat in any real way so it is relegated to jank kitch table magic .50c mythic
the blue one is in a similar boat
no blue deck wants to play a turn 3 do nothing that is going to allow your opponent to resolve a gideon next turn uncontested and start making dudes forcing you into wasting your next turn picking up a land and drawing a card just to deal with their plansewalker if you even have enough cards in hand to do that in the first place

neither one has an meaningful impact on the awful standard meta
what we needed were cards that could address a wide verity of threats
like heroes downfall or a card that could kill both vehicles, creature, and planswalkers

but since we clearly aren't going to get them we are now 100% reliant on wotc banning Gideon, Ally of Zendikar or Heart of Kiran or Scrapheap Scrounger or Toolcraft Exemplar
and banning Felidar Guardian for any real change to the metagame

long story short
blue and red get hosed while the other 3 colors get cool new toys

>>52556752
It sucks
Only janky cycling decks will play it

>>52557301
It's funny, they were complaining that Counterspell would be unhealthy for Standard when that's basically what it needs at present.

>>52556831
For me atleast is that they don't feel like Gods. They feel like they slapped Indestructable and a restriction on a creature and called it in.

The Theros mono-gods didn't have the best activated abilities but they had a passive one as well to make up for it.
Amonkhet gods only have an activated ability that solely exists to bypass their restriction.

>>52557326

Idk, it's definitely not maindeckable, but if emrakul hadn't been banned, I think it would've been a solid sideboard card

People were clamoring for gy hate and I think this would've done the trick, except it's no longer needed now that delirium isn't big anymore

>>52557326
>>52556752
It's acceptable limited graveyard hate.

You're playing against a deck that's Embalm-heavy? Congratulations, you can fuck 'em up with Scarab Feast.
You're playing against a deck that doesn't have Embalm? That's okay, instead of having a dead card in your hand, you can cycle it for B.

It's very useful, almost must-have tech for black in limited.

>>52557334
They should print one of those intro decks with pithing needle, hero's downfall, and mana leak

>>52555832
Name a single block were the three set problem wasn't a major issue.

2 set is love. 2 set is life.

>>52557334
I don't think it needs counterspell

but manaleak would do wonders
wrath of god would be sweet
a GOOD blue draw spell that results in huge advantage would be awesome
Lightning Strike would be one of the best things we could see

we won't get these though
and we probably won't be getting them for at least another 2 or 3 years

>>52554125
At leats the enw one doesn't look like a retarded gorilla.
I kinda like the fact that the new one doesn't have a real ultimate too.

>>52557034
...Ravnica is SUPPOSED to feel like it's one single city. The entire idea behind Ravnica is that it's a world that's entirely covered by a single city, a fantasy Corruscant.
Kaladesh, though, isn't supposed to be like that yet they still managed to do it. It's sad when the single story we got there in Origins shows more of a world than the entire fucking block did.
Supposedly, there are other continents on Innistrad, but the seas are impassable

>>52555648
Probably the fact that they just adapt some random mythologic setting without a care in the world. At least this time the keywords aren't too retarded.

>>52557472

Lightning strike would be nice but I don't think we need it, shock, harnessed lightning, and incendiary flow get the job done and have little variables to make it interesting

Counterspells are on a different level from burn spells right now, decks would LIKE better burn spells, but the ones we have are good enough to be playable in the kind of decks that want them

Counterspells are not good enough for a control deck to want them at this point. The only counterspells being played are being used in an anti-control purpose, and only in specialized decks, i.e. The improvise counterspell in artifact decks, or Dispel in decks that absolutely have to resolve a part the waterveil or something

>>52557365
That's literally what a god is though.

legendary Indec conditional creature that still does something when "turned on"

>>52557443
odyssey

>>52557377
Emrakul did nothing wrong
Control doesn't appeal to the casual so they had to ban it, only midrange gets the shiny toys

>>52557579
But lots of people want to tack on "but gods always require devotion" and "but gods aren't creatures when their conditions aren't met" and "but gods have to be enchantment creatures, not just creatures."

tl;dr, if it's not a theros god, it's not a god.

>>52557271
But Bolas and Urza did nothing wrong, eh?
Even Karn holds some responability about what happened to his little toybox plane.

>>52557572
idk
good counterspells would be really nice but I don't think they are the crutch that is holding blue back

if I were to put my finger on it I believe its the lack of that all powerful game winning draw spell
things like sphinxes revelation or dig through time
I would have liked to see a card that was along the lines of paying energy counters to draw cards and gain life with like 2 energy counters per draw

if blue has the methods for gaining card advantage then their counterspells don't have to be fantastic

>>52557301
Ill judge the set when i see it and the cards in a vacuum are fine. Also in relation to the standard meta vehicles and cat will be made more powerful if dusk to dawn is real. They need real hatecards, not just counterspell, to save standard.

>>52557579

I'd turn on Hazoret and Oketra, if you know what I mean.

>>52557271
they can't be killed though
thats why he was pissed at Jace for wanting to try

they have been destroyed, temporarily, and will return after some time
we don't really know how long that is but it isn't a permanent solution
where as sealing them up and keeping a watchful eye on the prison was a permanent solution as long as people were vigilant about it

>>52554108

The titans were overhyped starter villains to give the superheroes some kaiju to fight. The only reason Sorin, Nahiri, and Ugin didn't obliterate them millenia earlier was because Ugin didn't think it wise to do so.

>>52557632
Bolas is an unrepentant asshole and the ultimate villain planeswalker.
Urza dedicated himself entirely to his grudge against Phyrexia and was only a hero because Phyrexia was the ultimate villain. I mean, he pretty much wrecked and destroyed entire planes just to further his plans to destroy Phyrexia. The way he played chess with the entire cosmos and wrecked and ruined entire planes just so he could settle his grudge is apparently admirable, whereas the way Nahiri settles her grudge against Sorin by ruining Innistrad apparently makes her a bitch. When Urza does it, it's so deep and so cool. When Nahiri does, she's a vindictive bitch used as feminist propaganda.
Karn's just a fucking moron.

>>52556033

Nearly everyone on Zendikar and Innistrad died. The planebound cast of Innistrad is in fucking tatters and humanity is doomed.

But the Jacetice league is OK, so apparently that's zero casualties?

>>52557657
What did he mean by this?

>>52557782
He wants to make the pussy wet.

>>52557738
>whereas the way Nahiri settles her grudge against Sorin by ruining Innistrad apparently makes her a bitch.
In Nahiri's case it's a personnal grudge against a apssive asshole.
In Urza's it's a vendetta against an interplannar threat that is actually trying to end all life in the cosmos.

He's an autistic asshole but he's needed.

>>52557682
Nope.

Ulamog and Kozilek are both permanently dead.

They will never come back to life, they never fled through the Blind Eternities, they do not exist in any fashion.

Jace fashioned a trap using the runes taught to him by Ugin to pull the entirety of Ulamog and Kozilek into Zendikar.
Gideon held them off with his indestructible form and endured their assault for as long as he had to, keeping the fully formed Eldrazi occupied.
Nissa drew upon literally all of the remaining mana of Zendikar, drawing upon the last vestiges of the plane's power.
Then Chandra was given this mana and used it to cast Fireball, dividing the damage between Ulamog and Kozilek.

Boom. Two dead Eldrazi. Not just defeated Eldrazi but literally dead Eldrazi that have ceased to exist. They will not return. They will not come back. Ulamog and Kozilek are dead.

They are dead.

Dead.

D E A D
E A D D
A D D E
D D E A

Standard is a ruined format for the next 18 months at least.

>no cat hate
>no vehicles hate
>shitty cycling mechanic
>OP gideon

it's like wizards is actually fundamentally incapable of learning from their mistakes.

this makes their "wait for Amonkhet" response to not banning the cat or gideon an absolute utter joke

seriously considering selling my collection

>>52557856
they will come back
once wotc runs out of villains and needs to have something to fight

mark my words

>>52557752
every named character on Zendikar survived. Maybe some faceless goons died, but who cares about those?
Same with Kaladesh. Despite being a revolt, no one died or was seriously crippled.
The only exception to this was SoI, with Sorin and Avacyn out of the window.

>>52557856
>he's a lorefag in current year
Kys

>>52557782
>>52557838
And do the Doggy style

>>52554382
if you somehow get 4 of these things out, it's automatically infinite combat phases... watch someone pull it off in some bullshit way

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>>52557868
>Selling your collection over standard being bad

I guess your collection is like a hundred bucks at most then?

>>52557856
It was so retarded to have both of them dying. Kozilek escaping during the plan would have been way better. It would have been more bittersweet.
And would have flawed the whole "let's improvise something and have it works beyond perfection" bullshit.

>>52557738
No anon

Urza went full 'the ends justify the means'

Nahiri went 'REEEE THE EVIL TENTACLES GOT MY PLANE, SO I'M GOING TO SIC THEM ON YOU NEXT'

The equivalent would be Urza going REEEE I HATE U MISHRA SO I WILL TEAM UP WITH THE PHYREXIANS DESPITE FIGHTING THEM MY WHOLE LIFE AND HELP THEM FUCK YOU OVER

>>52557905
Kaladesh was the cleanest fucking communist revolution in fiction history

>>52557632
>>52557738
Wizards literally said the only reason Urza didn't become a God like Yawgmoth was because Yawgmoth did it first

>>52557579
Why do they need restrictions at all?
In story they interact with mortals whever they want and seem to always be at full power.
Theros gods work the way they do since they are powered by devotion and can only manifest at full power when there is enough fate.

I'd have been fine if they were just creatures with fun flavorful abilities.
But these just feel like they focused to much on replicating the restriction part of the older gods without having to use devotion.

Theros Gods were powerful enchantments that could be creatures under the right conditions.
Amonkhet Gods are creatures that are restricted unless you work to reach the right conditions.

>>52557916
>lol bad standards don't matter

Enjoy your midrange gideon in modern then

>>52557928
>I WILL TEAM UP WITH THE PHYREXIANS DESPITE FIGHTING THEM MY WHOLE LIFE AND HELP THEM FUCK YOU OVER
Well, technically he kind of does that.

It was considerably better handled despite apocalypse being a rushed piece of shit, however.

>>52557928
To be fair, that's pretty much what Mishra tried to do Urza and it's been acknowledged that if Urza ever stumbled across an unclaimed Phyrexia like Yawgmoth did, he would've done everything in exactly the same fashion. The only difference between Urza and Yawgmoth is that Yawgmoth found Phyrexia first.

>>52557856
If you're gonna be a fucking lorefag can you at least be a proper lorefag, Ugin has stated that Eldrazi are a collective like different fingers on a single hand and that killing them isn't enough as the hand can just as easily stick a different finger in.

If Ulamog, Kozilek and Emrakul are supposed to work in tandem to recycle certain planes based off EMN speculation, then Ulamog and Kozilek will just return in a different aspect. Maybe not the same titans, but Wizards can easily insert new titans to fulfill their roles.

>>52557946

Why the fuck do people keep saying the Renegades were communists?

Did they need to spell out in neon letters that the Consulate is a communist government or something? The specific point of the revolt was a mix of unseating the kleptocrat who was stealing everyone's shit and changing the aether regulation rules so that the government didn't have such tight rationing practices.

>>52557916
shhhh, now he'll tell you how he have been playing magic from 1810.

>>52557911
>he's not a lorefag in current year
Kys

>>52557916
consider the following:

wizards cannot even reliably balance a format with, at most, six sets in it

this should seriously shake your faith in them as a game designer.

just popping in to say thanks to Wizards for actually printing one (1) actual graveyard hate spell

>>52557994
This actually seems cool so I assume Wizards won't really fuck with it

>>52557963
>midrange gideon in modern
t. Clueless moron

>>52557999
because they are Red. Get it?

>>52558040
>>52558040
t. meme-addicted shitposting simpleton

>>52557994
The ritual that Ugin used to draw the Eldrazi and trap them was the equivalent of yanking them into reality by the hand and stuffing them into a box.

Jace was given the necessary glyphs to pull the Eldrazi in by the metaphorical hand and they did so. And then they proceeded to permanently kill the fully formed Eldrazi. Even Ugin acknowledges that Kozilek and Ulamog are permanently dead.

Would you like me to cite the fucking articles for you?

>>52557928
The conversation between Nahiri and Sorin was basically

Nahiri: Hey Sorin I sounded the horn of Gondor and neither of the two people who swore to help me showed up. What's up with that?

Sorin: Oh my firewall blocked it

Nahiri: Did you mean for it to?

Sorin: Possibly

Nahiri: What the fuck I spent the past thousand years stuck in a rock monitoring the Eldrazi come help you promised then knock up my pussy

Sorin: No way fag

Then they fight

Nahiri kinda jumps to conclusions and her revenge against Innistrad is the wrong way to go about the situation but Sorin's a fucking asshole. Like all he had to do was go "Whoops my bad let's go check on them Eldrazis" and shit woulda been fine.

>>52558009
The very hungry caterpillar has more depth than magic story lines.

>>52558064

To be fair, he was super hung over at the time but yes, Sorin's kind of a douche.

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>>52557999
A bunch of workers with hammers and other tools rebelling to seize the means of production (Aether) ?

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>>52557868
>no cat hate
Thalia, authority, field, fucking shock

>no vehicle hate
Release, state, obsolescence

>shitty cycling
You're new if you think cycling is bad

>OP Gideon
AoZ has been in standard for a long time though...

Opinion discarded

>>52557443
NPH was pretty cool lore wise and had some great mechanics. Phyrexian mana might've been a mistake though.

>>52558079
yes, and this has always been the case. Don't pretend the lore was ever good. Weatherlight was literally Fantasy Power Rangers.

>>52558146
I think they underestimated just how much life people were willing to pay for those effects

>>52558124

To seize them from the government because the government had exclusive control over society's energy supply and who got how much.

>>52558158
It was shit before but not as bad as now.
>implying kamahl and friends are not based as fuck

>>52558060
Ugin also states that this has happened never before and we have to see what the consequences of this are. It is not unreasonable that new titans could form.

>>52557301
Can't wait for red and blue gods to be $30 each after the game day

>>52557999
/pol/tards on this board think that if you give anything to anyone for any reason then you are a filthy communist who deserves death

>>52558178
So commies vs tsarist russia?

>>52558166

I think Phyrexian mana would've been balanced if it was 3 life instead of 2, it would've made mental misstep and gitaxian probe more balanced at any rate, might have made dismember unplayable though

>>52558241
Norn's Annex would then be insane vs non white decks

>>52558217

No, the Renegades are capitalists. Their only unifying philosophy is they deserve more aether than the government considers their fair share because their inventions are worth it, although they also get behind overthrowing the new boss when it turns out the new boss tossed rationing out the window to just steal everyone's shit for his own project.

The Nalaars brought the free market to Kaladesh, anon.

>>52557752
>face mind destroying titans from beyond the planes
>everything they touch gets corrupted
>one of them buttfucked a whole plane just by showing up
>jaceice league suffers no major casualties, wounds, mental scarring, or any major setbacks
>jaceice league is comically invincible without any major conflict in the story
>looks like they're gonna smash one of the most powerful planeswalkers without effort, or, one of them is gonna martyr themselves.

Jesus the new story is bad, Garruk might be a brute, but at least his conflict is better then "I don't feel nature anymore!"

Liliana is interesting because at least she suffers setbacks, you see her in pain, she gets her ass kicked. Ajani went red for awhile after his brothers death.

Please wizards, make some fucking conflict, please.

>>52557856
>Fireball
>Not balefire
Fucking neowalkers cant do anything right

>>52558278

They've been foreshadowing pretty heavily that Bolas is about to kill Gideon and curb-stomp the rest of them, anon.

>>52558253

Ehh, maybe, but it would cost 3 mana and 6 life to cast, which isn't always possible against aggro, which is the only thing annex is good against

>>52558299
this
the heroes never beat the villain at the first time. They separate, train and then confront him again. Watch some children cartoons, then you get the general idea for the new magic story line.

Who's in charge of funeral arrangements for MTG? This is a disaster.

>>52557856
>They will never come back to life
We're talking about WotC here, they don't have enough integrity to leave dead things dead.

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And spoiler season continues to be boring as fuck

The past three days conversation has been "Well these commons and uncommons are alright, the god is mediocre though" with two day the conversation getting the extra spice of "Well these commons and uncommons are alright, the Gideon's more of the same though"

>>52558327
>They separate, train and then confront him again
You mean like against the Eldrazi?

rate the set /10 so far

i say 2

>>52558385
Eldrazi are not villains. Not on the scale of Nicol Bolas.

>>52558299
I hope they get their asses really kicked.

Bolas is abit of a mind freak, turn the living guildpact into a destoryed plane.

Also nissa needs to get kicked abit, she's somehow worse then the apex predator. Chandra needs to stop thinking like a 12 year old with a adderal prescription. And finally let's see some fucking flaws with the party, what if nissa is a bonified racist and so on.

This game can handle skin wearing turbo death robots but not human conflict apparently.

>>52558421
I miss Theros/10

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Are they going to unban emrakul with all this graveyard hate floating around? Kinda want my foil emmy to not be sitting my binder all alone.

>>52558437
>flaws with the party

Well, Liliana is a selfish asshole using everyone else for her own purposes

But other than that you're right. Chandra acting like an immature teenager COULD be a flaw if they weren't so intent on playing it for laughs.

But then you have to remember this game is meant for 13 and up so they have to write the characters in a way that can appeal to teenagers, which is fine to an extent but I think Chandra's written waaaaay too quirky. It's like they took years of forum posts going "Yeah, Jaya Ballard's got some great flavor text" and decided that was Chandra's personality, Jaya Ballard's flavor text

>>52558465
Temur Aetherworks still exists.

>>52558064
Dont you remember anon, Sorin's autistic inner monologue he keeps
>i didnt think it would block out the signal hurdur
When he didnt say that in a way that made sense he was in the right to destroy Nahiri because he is justified, it wasnt his fault.

>>52558444
Don't worry anon. We'll go back. just in time for the Phyrexian invasion

>>52558421
I give it a eh, it exists/10, I'm at the point where I occasionally buy cards for my EDH decks and not much else, nothing is really gripping me about the last couple of sets and legacy is dead in my area so I can't play that.