Age of Sigmar General /aosg/

My predictions for Kharadron Overlords
Massively overpowered, but highly cost
Probs gonna have shit melee

>>52538610
Why did we drop the TGA rumour thread, guys?

>>52538688

Normal dwarf troops will be whatever like fyreslayers

Elites will be passable but probably still only okay

Airships will be beastclaw raiders behemoth overpowered tier

>>52538688

>implying anything but shooting matters in this game

Personally I blame all the stupid Fantasyfags converts, newfags, and GW for showing off terrain boards that are practically barren. You need some 40k levels of terrain if not more to make it an actually interesting match instead of aLeafblower 2.0 shitshow.

>>52538792
Or we need more armies that can shit out scenery to piss off ranged fags.

>>52538610

Why is she crying

Have khabbagepatch squatlords been pushed back?

>>52538870
No, she just acts like that to get things.

>Tfw highly tempted to start a Grot army

I Fucking hate orruks cus LMAO FIGHTIN but goblins/grots are actually cool and seem like cunning bastards with actual society

>>52539096
I do too, but too much of their stuff is finecast for my liking.

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Aelves are awesome and I am excited to learn more about them and buy some new ones.

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Valentine's Day on the 14th, what's the most romantic army to buy my GF?

>>52538688
>Massively overpowered
>highly points costed

pick one

if they have fair to over-costed points they cant be over-powered.

>>52539206
Blades of Khorne.

They're all about blood, and what is more bloody than the heart?

And heart = love = romantic. So Khorne.

>>52539096
OI! Ye runty git! Orruks iz da best! Ya grots'll get krumped if ya talk bad about da orruks again!

>>52538792
Do you play some shit slow melee army?

Theres a rock paper scissors trichotomy to AOS. Fast beats ranged, ranged beats slow, and slow beats fast. If youre losing to ranged then youre too slow.

>>52539291

Seems legit. How about meeting those conditions to have flesh hound battleline? Bitches love dogs and I already have twenty unopened boxes of Fenrisian wolves.

>>52539318

But what if your units are fast, slow and ranged?

>>52539344
Sounds cool. Go for it.

>>52539368
You cant be slow and fast, dummy

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>>52539206
girl elves

>>52539344

>Happy Valentine's Day
>I got you 100 goddamn Fenrisian wolves
>April 14th

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WHEN

>>52539206
It's April, anon.

>>52539447

>100 goddamn fenrisian wolves

Well I mean, the local GW keeps them right next to the door, and the box is pretty small...

>>52539485
now you went and ruined the bonus valentines for his GF.

>>52539206
Trust me on this, nothing says "I love you" quite like the Start Collecting: Seraphon box does. Gals love lizards

>>52539713
Oh please don't start that shit again.

>>52539206
Daemons of Slaanesh

>>52539744
But anon, it is such a good deal! The combination of wise purchasing decision and delightful lizardmen is enough to make any woman swoon. I guarantee it!

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What's some ideas you guys have for terrian? Dream would to be to do something like this but seems like it would be alot of work.

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>>52539811

>>52539901

Nothing is more romantic than handing your sibling a start collecting Seraphon kit whilst mimicking the erotically charged mating trill of a skink in heat.

>>52539457
ships are awesome but I love even more the Tree-Dog Riders!

>>52540014

>Sibling

Shit, I meant sister.

>>52540128

GIRLFRIEND

>>52539744
>Not buying 5 Start Collecting! Seraphon boxes because the included dinosaur is also 65€ when you buy it seperately

>>52540155
Yes I'm sure that is what you meant.

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>>52540014
>>52540128
>>52540155

I mean, technically not mutually exclusive...

>>52538688
We know a few things about them already.

Strong shooting, shit melee. You can bet Arkanauts are going to be unwanted core tax.

Two biggest boats can carry troops. It uses model count not units, but the more you have embarked, the more risky it is.

You get to customise your army by picking 3 different perks, one for each section of the code, or there are pre-made abilities based around the major skyports.
One of these lets you reroll all 1s to hit and wound against flying enemies, automaticlaly grant you a 6 on run rolls, and a ward save against mortal wounds on your boats.

The biggest ships can have special artefact weapons. One of them lets you shoot enemies that end a charge within half an inch of you. It also fires a LOT of shots.

>>52540328
The point being, the Start Collecting! Seraphon box is the single most romantic product GW has ever produced. It is a sure fire way to drive your lover wild.

what if they make skaven space pirates?

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Grognards, swerve.

DISCIPLES OF TZEENTCH
BLADES OF KHORNE
TURDS OF NURGLE
SQUATS OF SLAANESH

>>52541097
Plagues of Nurgle?

I have no idea what they could do for Slaanesh.

>>52541097
>>52541140
Children of Nurgle

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>tfw you kitbash your dudes so they can count as slaanesh, dark elves or vampire counts at any time

GUYS
Does the buff of the Gitmob Grot Shaman only count for one model or for every model of a unit?

https://www.games-workshop.com/resources/PDF/AoS_Warscrolls/aos-warscroll-grot-shaman-en.pdf

>>52541596
>>tfw you kitbash your dudes so they can count as slaanesh, dark elves or vampire counts at any time
Have you done this and if so, have any pics to share?

>>52541714
Until your next hero phase, whenever that unit attacks

Seems pretty self explanatory

>>52541714
The whole unit obviously

Can I mix factions from within a grand alliance? For example, can I match beastmen, chaos warriors and khorne daemons?

>>52541903
noob noob noob noob noob noob noob noob noob noob noob noob noob noob noob noob noob noob noob noob noob noob noob noob noob noob noob noob noob noob noob noob noob noob noob noob noob noob noob noob noob noob noob noob noob noob noob noob noob noob noob noob noob noob noob noob noob noob noob noob noob noob noob noob noob noob noob noob noob noob noob noob noob noob noob noob noob noob noob noob noob noob noob noob noob noob noob noob noob noob noob noob noob noob noob

>>52541966
thanks!!

>>52542066
Yes.

>>52542066
Yup, they all share the same Chaos tag. But they receive no synergy bonus with each other.

>>52542077
never reply to me again

>>52541596
Sounds like the edgiest thing in Age of Sigmar.

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>>52542143
Nothing personnel

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>>52542143
>>52542182
Ment this pic
More edgy

>>52542278
seriously who doesn't snipe the bloodsecrator turn 1 anyways?

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So, have you guys had any discussions on what you think the new factions might be like in terms of ideas and themes?
Like, for the new Slaanesh or maybe even the supposed Light and Shadow Aelves?
Hell, anyone willing to throw out ideas of what they'd like to see exactly for any existing faction or theoretical factions?

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>>52542278
Why post only one?

>>52542354
Because I only had that. Thanks for the others. Where did you find them?

>>52542389
Was on here somewhere, I think last thread or the one before that.

>>52542354
Why post none of the daemon ones?

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>>52542442

>>52542332
presumably Malarion will have infused the elf souls he liberated from Slaanesh with his shadow magic in order to make them whole again.

Tyrion and Teclis will have infused the elf souls they liberated with light magic to make them whole again.

the new elves wont really be "traditional" elves, they'll be exalted elves or something similar, with the characteristic stamp of the realms they hail from.

Frankly I don't expect any of the "old" elf factions or mini factions to ever see an update.

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>>52542494
And points, lads. Points!

>>52542332
I'd like to see a new death army, one made up mainly of living humans from the realm of death, possibly possessed by spirits or something

>>52542576
>death army
>full of living humans

Hmmm

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>>52542576
>death army
>living

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>>52542503
>Malarion will have infused the elf souls he liberated from Slaanesh with his shadow magic in order to make them whole again.
>Tyrion and Teclis will have infused the elf souls they liberated with light magic to make them whole again.
I'm getting Jak and Daxter vibes from this. But these "exalted elves" as you put it might turn out to be pretty cool if done right. I'd certainly like to see some kind of unit of a shadowy combination of Elfs and Dragons in resemblance to Malarion.
>>52542576
>one made up mainly of living humans from the realm of death, possibly possessed by spirits or something
That would be cool, like an entire Necromancer faction or something. I'm kinda hoping for a whole expanded Soulblights faction myself.

>>52540510
That pretty much sums up all we know from the WD battle report. Nothing really surprising.

What did surprise me though was a new army lost in its premier battle report. It sort of shakes my conclusion that they always let the new guys win to help sell the new models.

But then again, it was an open play game, so the whole battle meant jack shit.

>>52541140
Hosts? It's not like slaanesh was the first god to get their daemon and mortal parts rolled together or anything

>>52542512
Nice. Any points changes anyone notice from the current GHB? Because this is likely going to be the finalized points in GHB2

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>>52542614
>I'm getting Jak and Daxter vibes from this. But these "exalted elves" as you put it might turn out to be pretty cool if done right. I'd certainly like to see some kind of unit of a shadowy combination of Elfs and Dragons in resemblance to Malarion.

I totally agree. I wouldn't be surprised to see something like this except "shadow" and "light" themed.

>>52542503
Elf souls exalted ... remind me of Eldar actually. Booooring. Hope Gw have something more than this

>>52542735
bloodreavers 60 > 70
Khorgoraths 80 > 100

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>>52542735

>>52542819
>bloodreavers 60 > 70
Ok not too bad. They are really good when buffed.
>Khorgoraths 80 > 100
What? Really? Did their warscroll change? did they want people to take LESS khorgoraths?

>>52542857
Bloodreavers have a 6+ save, and Korgoraths doubled in damage dealing ability.

>>52542857
Khorgoraths are doing dmg 2 now instead of 1

>>52542641
The guy playing the new army apparently kept rolling terribly. Also he seemed to LET the flesheaters get in range of his shit, since he seemed to have no actual reason to move towards them at all, yet he did.

>>52542111
just stfu kid your answer to my question was g a r b a g e

>>52542876
Ok then. Seems legit. 6+ is great for bloodreavers because they can now receive cover benefits.

However, I fear the change shown here >>52542823. The new book says mighty skullcrushers become battleline when the army has the khorne bloodbound keyword. However in the GHB they become battleline when the army has the khorne and mortal keywords. This sucks for people who bring StD with the khorne keyword.

This worries me for my nurgle mortal army. Right now my blightkings are battleline because the StD with it all have the nurgle keyword, making that legal, but I fear it's going to change if nurgle gets a book and I wont be able to efficiently bring my StD

>>52542784
Could be, at least it would be a chance for cool paint jobs.

>>52542950
the only g a r b a g e thing here is your reading comprehension.

>>52542969
In order for that to happen Rotbringers have to be a real subfaction, so it means lots of more models.

>>52542784

Is it possible to magnetize these guys to also use them as spites revenants?

>>52543087
If you didn't mind your spite revenants having long hair it'd be stupidly easy to just change out the weapon arm for a claw and use a tiny magnet.

>>52543086
I hope so. They could use a real battleline option. I just have no interest in daemons, so my nurgle army does not contain any. I find mortals much more interesting. But nurgle rotbringers could use some more choices. I'd be up for a kairik acolytes/bloodreavers/light troop equivalent.

I may even be for the idea of clans pestilens getting rolled into the rotbringers faction and gaining that keyword
no bully plz

>>52543087
Not really unless you want to do a really superficial work (Spite with hairs and Tree with claws)

>>52543160
Both Arcanites and Bloodbound have two native troops, one light (reaver/acolytes) and one more though (bloodwarriors/tzaangors).

It's a safe beth Nurgle is going to have those too with a new battletome.

>>52543121
>>52543161

I didn't realize the hair was separate. For whatever reason, I thought the body reaching out of the tree was interchangeable..

>>52543160
I know that feel. I got a 1000 point Rotbringers army, 25 Blightkings and 3 heroes to swap out (Lord of Plagues, Sorcerer, Festus) and the only daemon I want is one Great Unclean One, nothing else. Honestly, I'm looking more at Tamurkhan's Horde lately for stuff I want in it. Both Tamurkhan and Kazyk are additional heroes, but especially the Blight Trolls and Plague Ogres would be lovely to add.

>>52543219
The body is the same. It changes both arms (the ones of Spites have bigger claws on the wood ones) and heads.

>>52542354
So in the hero phase the Goretide can:

>move 1d6
>Pile in 8" and attack with the Mighty Lord
>If with the pile-in the Lord is Now in combat every unit can now charge and attack as well.

that's a lot.

>>52543227
Plague ogors seem cool to add. I'd just convert them from an ogors kit through. I'd add them not to make a battleline, but add a hard hitting melee. They are pretty much just bigger blightkings.

>>52543308
At least now people will stop bitching about them being weak.

>>52538610
>wasn't interested in AoS since the magic system got entirely gutted and the your-dudes potential was highly curbed due to pretty much no magic equipment
>see new Tzeentch tome at LGS
>12 new spells, 12 new magic items, traits, ton of new formations
>oh sweet, maybe that Lizardmen tome did the same and I should try to play some Sigmar
>lolnope
>Slann still get fuckall for magic, aren't even included in any of the formations
>all of the formations are the shit-tier "take a hero and three matching units and they all get slightly better"
Welp, guess I'll go ahead and sell them off.

>>52539447
> GF leaves him for a normie with a fat cock who gives gifts a woman would actually want
This is how the story ends

>>52540014
We should have killed all you inbred hicks during the Civil War

>>52543364
Seraphon were among the first to get a battletome, which before the GHB pretty much only cemented them in the fluff. We can hope they get an updated battleltome like khorne, tzeentch, and the SCE got.

>>52543364
Gotta wait, Anon. They're updating books right now, Khorne just got his.

>>52543418
It seems unlikely they they'll get another tome anytime soon, especially with all the other factions still in need of update.

>>52543380
>who gives gifts a woman would actually want
Fyreslayers?

>>52543410
South killed more yankee

>>52543364
There are three kind of battletomes.

The first ones, which are basically just a compilation of the warscroll with some battalion.

The ones post General handsbook, which have allegiance abilities, spell and artefacts.

And the ones since Tzeentch, (Tzeentch, Stormcast and Khorne) which are bigger, have allegiance abilities, multiple tables of artefacts, multiple spell lores and prayers, and some big battalions that contain other battalions flavoured after a certain stormhost, or warband etc.

For some reason the Sylvaneth one is much more similar to the third group despite being the first of the second group.

>>52543475
naw naw, i think he means... skaven? no! dark elves!

>>52543471
They're updating books and releasing new factions, at the same time.

Khorne's updated book is out this week, and Kharadron Overlords are coming like next week.

Decided to finally pick up AoS (thinking Ironjawz) but I'm confused how the hell battalions even work. Do you just pay the battalion's points and then apply the rules to applicable units you've taken?

>>52544249
Yup.
Declare to your opponent the units that are part of the battalion, include the battalion points cost in your list, use rules in game.
The only one you need to know, future Ironjawz player, is the Ironfist.

>>52544277
Oh good, it's that simple then. And yes, I'm looking at the Ironfist. Actually, I'm just being lazy and going with the 1k list on the 1d4chan tactics.

Unless that's a horrible list?

>>52544249
Correct.

Now a few caveats:
>one unit cannot belong to or be part of more than one battalion ever. You cant declare one unit is part of one battalion then declare it's part of a different one the next turn. It is only ever part of that one battalion on deployment.
>units in battalions that count as battelines, DO count toward your battleline requirements. Same for the limits on heroes, artillery, and behemoths

Hey guys. I am starting age of sigmar and am looking at seraphon. I know the start collecting box is a good value but am I going to use the models? I really like skinks and I am thinking of running a shadow strike starhost. From there I want a bastilidon. If I run saurus I think I will ten temple guard. Should I avoid buying the get started pack?

>>52544340
That first caveat is SLIGHTLY off. There's ONE exception and that's for the mega-battalions. If a battalion has another battalion as one of it's required "units" then the models in in the latter, smaller battalion get the benefits of being in both

>>52544393
Interesting. Not doubting you, but is that in the FAQ? Where is that specified?

>>52544361
Yeah, it's a good box. I'd get it.

>>52544361
well the big dinosaur costs £50 on its own so if you ever think you might want one you'd be stupid not to just buy the SC box

>>52544455
>>52544468
That's the problem, I don't think I am going to use a carnasaur. I also don't think I will use the saurus warriors or saurus knights. Is there a good battalion that uses the stuff from the box?

>>52544606
just so you know you don't have to build it as the carnasaur, you could build the trog instead.
I don't actually play Seraphon so sorry I can't actually offer any advice

Hello, Sorry this is the wrong place, but we are desprate. Roll20. We need a gm! if anyone reads this, please go to the eternal egypt game for pathfinder on roll20. Please, hurry!

>>52539318
>implying balance in AoS

>>52544708
Proofs there isn't.

Whats the best way to equip Ardboys? I read shields are so-so for them.

>>52544727
>Asking to prove a negative.

>>52544756
If the game wasn't balanced, you could prove it.

Hello? Also on a side note, can't wait for overlords!

>>52544708
>implying balance is not a myth

>>52544790
Hi. I can't either. Pretty stoked to read the BT

>>52544764
>If the game wasn't balanced, you could prove it.

Since you couldn't take a hint the first time. . .

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evidence_of_absence

The one asserting "balance" has burden of proof.

Oh, and that one GT winner who tabled Beastclaw Raiders with Legacy Brettonians. Oh wait, that didn't happen either.

Hello. We are look for a gm. Please check my previous post. somebody hurry!

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>>52544836
>>52544790
>>52544660

>>52544791
>>implying balance is not a myth

In any case, it's merely implied, meaning that AoS players who make the empty assertions of balance carry the burden of proof.

>>52544855
You're the fucker who said there's no balance. Prove it.

This message repeats.

>Can just straight up take 8 units of flesh hounds and Karanak for 930 points, have full battleline tax sorted and get bonuses for it

Groovy.

>>52544873
>>52544836
>>52544790
>>52544660
This is the wrong place. Stop spamming this thread. We have enough shitposting to deal with.

>>52544443
Well it's common sense for one, since all the mega battalions have other battalions as parts of their organization. See >>52542354
>>52542494

Any one?

>>52544892
It's 40 dogs and Karanak.

What's that actually going to do for you?

Sorry. Where do I go?

>>52544952
Hell.

>>52544952
Make your own fucking thread.

>>52544855
I'm not the guy asking you to prove there is no balance, but balance is relative, and it also depends on your own personal definition of balance.

I can say AoS is more balanced than 40k, but less so than Chess. Even then that is only a matter of opinion, because some may say both AoS and 40k are equally inbalanced, because it depends on their definition.

Balance is dependent entirely on one's definition because there is no empirical scale or definition in this context.

>>52542503
>the new elves wont really be "traditional" elves
Yeah like Overlords weren't squats.
>Frankly I don't expect any of the "old" elf factions or mini factions to ever see an update.
And nothing value was lost.

>>52544976
Chess is hilariously imbalanced in White's favor. The only reason people think Chess is imbalanced is because they don't know enough about the game.

John Cena fighting a two year old is more balanced than current 40k; that isn't a meaningful threshold for balance.

Funny. I am not trying to be a nuisance. Help a fellow mlp hater out will you?

>>52544941

Charge. Kill.

>>52545018
>think Chess *isn't* imbalanced

>>52544868
I'll just take this as you can't defend your position.

Oh, and I compared two armies: One is a fucking juggernaut with a battletome and the other one isn't. . .in a game that basically allows you to continue to play with squatted armies. Not all armies have battletomes, nor ever will have battletomes = less than balanced.

That's just one argument. I could devote one entirely to SCE alone.

Glad to see the nitpicking aspie is back. Some rashes never go away.

>>52545051
Not the person you're arguing with, but if you are positively asserting that there is no balance, the burden of proof indeed rests with you to back up the assertion.

>>52545058
Who's nitpicking?

Chess is extremely imbalanced and 40k isn't even in the same hemisphere as balance. To say that Sigmar is between them in terms of balance is to essentially admit that it's completely broken in terms of balance.

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>>52538610
I really want to get into AoS with a Dwarf/Dispossessed Army.

Any thoughts?

>>52545071
Trifecta bro implied balance first. QED you're a faglord.

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>>52545093
>Muh autism is tingling!

>>52544976
So you're essentially defending AoS with subjectivity and vagueness. The progression of power creep alone was seven whole months!

>>52545107
>Implied balance first
Doesn't matter, everyone who is making a positive claim has a burden of proof. If both of you are making assertions, you both have a burden of proof.

>>52545112
I'm not a regular AoS-poster; I show up once every coupld months to bemoan that the game doesn't really scratch any of the itches that I want from a wargame and then fuck off.

>>52545071

Third year biology student here: Burden of proof lies with the more outlandish party, even if they might be certain of their perspective.

The starting hypothesis uses the least assumptions you can make, basically.

>>52545018
>John Cena fighting a two year old is more balanced than current 40k; that isn't a meaningful threshold for balance.
And that would be your opinion. I don't agree with it. But it is your opinion.

>>52545140
He's making a negative claim, dipshit.

>>52545128
>power creep

Doesn't exist in AoS.

>>52545140
Pay some attention here: A positive claim is that 'X' exists, in this case "balance in AoS."

A negative claim is that 'X' doesn't exist. The beginning of the debate is the one with the positive claim who has burden of proof. Once burden of proof is met, however weak or strong, THEN the one with the negative claim must meet the burden of refutation. Yeah, it's a thing.

That's how you play THAT game, dipshit.

>>52545164
>being his blind

>>52545161
John Cena could easily die of a steroid related heart attack or act of god before managed to punt the baby across the room. The only way WAAC Eldar are losing to Ork is if the player has a lardass related heart attack or an act of god strikes him down. At best, the two are equal in balance.

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>>52545145
>I-I'm not autistic gais

>>52545146
>Third year biology student here:

^ Note: NOT 3rd year debate/poli sci.

And there is no proof in science, so you can fuck off with your LARP twaddle.

>>52545146
>Third year biology student here
That's is a remarkably unimpressive and irrelevant claim to authority.

>>52545146
>Biofag thinks their opinion is relevant on the topic of epistemology
Go make some shrimp run on treadmills you useless cuck

>>52545105
They're good. I enjoy mine and did really well at a tourney. I had mine allied with stormcast eternals, but I didn't feel one carried more weight than the other in the battles.

They have some good stuff, but are lacking in some aspects that allying can help with. Like stormcast eternals and ironweld arsenal.

All in all, not a bad army to start collecting, especially if you're a fan of dwarfs.

>>52545206
I didn't claim that I'm not autistic, just that I'm not the boogeyman that you think I am. Your brand of shitposter-centric shitposting is the cancer killing this board.

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>>52545145

>>52545105
>Any thoughts?
Pick another army

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>>52545241
>I am autistic, but you're being mean!!1!
Tumblr pls leave

>>52545231
>I had mine allied with stormcast eternals, but I didn't feel one carried more weight than the other in the battles.

Uh huh. So please tell me why you had to ally with SCE to begin with. "Rule of cool?"

>>52545209
I'm sorry, what are we "debating" now? I only ask since someone brought science into the mix on a FUCKING FANTASY GAME THREAD.

-t.engifag

>>52545267
That isn't even remotely close to what I said.

>>52545247
Kek. Not me, though. I don't belittle the game or its players, I just complain that it doesn't have enough magic for me. The new Tzeentch battletome actually got me a little interested again. Is there any chance GH2 will include some generic lores so that older factions aren't just fucked eternally?

Any one know when kharadron overlords get a release? Also, any one also going to call the ironclad thunderchild?

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Anyone else here working on hinterlands or AoS28 stuff?

>>52545315
>"Rule of cool?"
Yes, actually. I liked the SCE and had some cool conversions with them. I built up a backstory why they are allied with my dispossessed and wanted to show the army off. On top of that it was fun playing with them teamed up with my beloved duardin. I am a bigger fan of duardin, but I liked the SCE as well.

Is 'rule of cool' not a legitimate reason to include them?

>>52545331
Not me, ask the "3rd year biology student."

I thought oldfags could tell anons apart.

>>52545209

> there is no proof in science

There's no perfect proof in anything. The entire basis of science is making a structure to codify what the best explanation until proven otherwise is, so we can actually have working theories to run with instead of stoner-grade "but like, how can you prove anything man?" level philosophy.

Once you internalise thinking scientifically, you can go ahead and call things clearly true, leaving "unless you have a better supported theory" as unspoken but doesn't actually need saying subtext.

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>>52545355
I'm trying to figure out how I can run spooky stuff in Hinterlands.

>>52545355
I saw that on the AoS28 FB page. Fucking gorgeous model.

Right now I'm paitning my nurgle rotbringers.

>>52545336
>I am a walking argument against MMR vaccine
Cool story bro, spicy meme.

>>52545362
Oh, I just hopped onto the thread and saw biofag shitposting. I'm just curious as to what prompted this.

>>52545355

Your Blanchitsu is strong.

>>52545360
Not to faggots it seems.

>>52545364
>Biofag posturing intensifies
Slow day at the shrimp farm?

>>52545353
15th on pre-order.

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>>52545366
You could run skeletons and try and keep your necromancer hidden and alive? or flood ghouls.

>>52545373
>>52545385
Cheers!

>>52545364
Jesus fuck, I can't even tell if this is bait, or if you're really just this autistic.

>>52545360
>Is 'rule of cool' not a legitimate reason to include them?
No-no of course it is, but from your post looks like the best way to play legacy armies is playing new armies

>>52545364
>There's no perfect proof in anything.
>Once you internalise thinking scientifically,

Holy shit anon, you're lecturing people how to think dogmatically, and on /tg/ no less.

Here, fuck off the thread and learn something new for a change: http://www.uta.edu/philosophy/faculty/burgess-jackson/Haack,%20Six%20Signs%20of%20Scientism.pdf

>>52545417
I guess that'd be alright, but it still seems lacking. I posted a pestilens list for hinterlands in last thread:

-priest with censer (40)
-priest with staff (40)
-10 plague monks (70)

=150

>>52545388
To each their own, I guess.

I play in tournaments to have fun. Really. If I can take top then that's fine, but it's not my goal. So I play lists that seem like fun for me to play, and would also seem like fun for my opponent to face. I also put more emphasis on the hobby side than the gaming side.

Despite all this, I lost 2 games and won 4 at the LVO with my SCE/Dispossessed army. The 2 losses I knew exactly why I lost, and never felt I didn't have a chance to win it.

>>52545438
Biofag anon doesn't have time to read, they're busy wasting government money putting diodes in raccoons.

>>52545428
Not necessarily. A lot of armies, not just legacy, lack in things that others help make up for it. The loose alliance system exists because of this. Dispossessed are no exception.

That being said, I still enjoy playing games pure Dispossessed/Ironweld Arsenal and have a pretty equal wins to losses track record with them, even without SCE and playing against what some would consider 'competitive' armies.

It's weird y'all are taking my partial qualification in a field as a brag rather than "I'm past basic high school level science and so can explain what the basic scientific method you could find with a few minutes of Google effort."

>>52545574
It's because you didn't need to say that part. Only explain what you wanted to explain.

>>52545459
I completely understand. The point being that if your non-SCE army is lacking anything, then you can just "fill-in-the-holes-GW-won't-fill" with SCE.

Which means SCE not only can do everything non-SCE Order armies can do, but serve as a crutch.

And if you're okay with that. . .

What are the tau of aos?

>>52545574
It was a pointless appeal to authority that undercuts your attempt to speak on a philosophical matter.

>>52545587

*Shrug* 'Kay, I made a statement it was too easy to read more than I meant into. Fair enough that that was a mistake.

>>52545574
>It's weird y'all are taking my partial qualification in a field as a brag

No-no. You misunderstand. Not a brag. It's used to leverage credentials you cannot prove. Thus, it can be used to pad an argument, sockpuppet, etc.

The more you post, the less "3rd year" you appear. Unless colleges have started cranking out complete retards.

>>52545613
Define "Tau" in this case.

>>52545438
>article literally points out how "science" as a term can mean " any systematized body of knowledge,"
>goes on to attack universities for using it as such
As expected of random philosophy babble. Is there a problem with people treating science like a religion? Of fucking course there is. That doesn't mean you should go full retard in trying to combat it OR that you should take the time to try to justify your own shitty choice of field.

>>52544764
the math hammer guy proved it but everyone told him to fuck himself when he tried to tell people.

>>52545613
Loads of Kurnoth Hunters.

Oh, and apparently there's an SCE shooty unit that just came out with the same range, so my earlier point about Stormcast is even more solid.

>>52545658
Source plz?

>>52545602
>"fill-in-the-holes-GW-won't-fill" with SCE.
I never said you need to fill in the holes with SCE, I said you can fill in the holes with others. In a later post I said I do equally as well when I fill those holes in with Ironweld Arsenal. Of course you can replace your entire army with SCE to be good, but then again, you could also replace your entire army with any other competitive army, What's the point?

The original post I replied to the guy was asking for thoughts on playing Dwarf/Dispossessed. And I just gave him my thoughts, because that's what I play.

>>52545653

Also applying scientific thinking wherever possible and treating science as if it were a religion are two different things.

Scientific thinking in theory, though the person trying to use it will of course be imperfect and flawed, means being open to better-reasoned alternatives.

Science-as-religion is treating shit as dogma, heavily resistant to dissent and a complete hypocritical undermining of the very concepts you're putting on a pedestal without actually understanding them.

>>52545531
>. A lot of armies, not just legacy,
Yeah, but new armies (well except fireslayers) could be effective without allies.
And it's kind of bad to encourage newcomer to invest time and money into legacy army who probably wouldn't get any real support

>>52545684
There is no source, because it is a joke.

There IS a mathhammer guy, but everyone mocks him because his spreadsheet only works when you have 1 unit vs 1 unit on a featureless board, and doesn't take the majority of a units non-damaging special rules into account.
Instead of accepting that he was wrong, he just doubled down on his bullshit and insisted nothing but his stats matters.

Which is to say, it was an absolutely terrible way of displaying balance in a game like AoS.

>>52545615

"Is a rule system balanced or not" is philosophy now?

I was just defining how to pick which side had burden of proof. Generally by pretending you're about to write a scientific paper on the matter to see which side is making more extraordinary claims.

"But this topic isn't scientific in the slightest!"

Sure. Didn't claim it was.

>>52545457
Seems solid to me but I'm not a rules guy.
I played yestarday and by turn 2 i'd lost half my warband to a guy running 3 slaanesh steeds and 3 demonettes.

>>52545734
>And it's kind of bad to encourage newcomer to invest time and money into legacy army who probably wouldn't get any real support
I disagree. Because to me, at least, competitive meta is not everything. 90% of this game is the hobby, and I want to spend that time on something that i find interesting or appeals to me, not the 10%.

When someone comes in saying "I want to collect X, any advice?" I tell them about playing them effectively if I know it. This tells me that a certain army appeals to them because they like the fluff or look of it, and want some advice on the game side.

This would be a different discussion if the guy said "I want to win tournaments, which army do I get into?" in which case I wouldn't answer because I am not as knowledgeable on that subject.

>>52545718
>Also applying scientific thinking wherever possible. . .

What universal prescriptive dogma declares that we must do so in the first place?

Therefore, same thing.

BTW, can you un-rustle your jimmies and at least pretend to talk about AoS?

>>52545751
This.

>>52545780
"Burden of proof" is a epistemological concept, and epistemology is a field of philosophy. Ergo, it's a philosophical question.

>>52545751
You talking about the Louisville Wargaming spreadsheet?

If you can teleport across the table at whim; around terrain with no effects (which is usually the case) , then mathammer is all there is, mang.

Taking the special rules into account, if you have to roll on them, then they would statistically (over time) occur less than those with solid no-roll abilities, like say, Soul Star maces.

>>52545751
you are wrong. he made a video and everything but people dismissed it without even understanding his approach.

>>52545817
That, and it's a general rule in all debates. . .which is why it's on AoS General in the first place.

>>52545798

>What universal prescriptive dogma declares that we must do so in the first place?

None. It's a simple matter of intellectual pragmatism.

Pure philosophy is full of endless navel gazing, science packages that navel gazing as an unstated footnote we all know is there, but can choose to acknowledge is not worth wheeling out very often.

That's it. Science is a framework that advanced society a lot quicker than pre-science ever did, so it's clearly efficient and worth clinging to for that reason alone.

>>52545780
Philosophy, as the science of useless, argumentative navel-gazing, is definitely the relevant field.

>>52545798
The scientific method, when you boil it down, basically just means don't believe shit unless it fits the evidence. The only real issues with that arise when you try to use it in regards to things like religion, which includes a lack of evidence as a given.

>>52545794
>This would be a different discussion if the guy said "I want to win tournaments, which army do I get into?"

Which is what 90% of the noobs are implying when they ask. You don't want to invest in an army that you can't take all the way to LVO or whatever, or one that gets passed over for a battletome.

>>52545794
>I tell them about playing them effectively if I know it.
Yeah and totally forget that army have no clear future.
>This tells me that a certain army appeals to them because they like the fluff or look of it,
Dude they are newcommers, they know no shit about hobby and game and it's your duty to give them proper advices.

>>52545870
He made a video explaining everything he already did in the thread and defended to his last word. The video didn't shed any new light on the bullshit he was spreading like it's the answer to life itself. It wasn't that nobody understood his approach so much as it was it failed to prove anything.

>>52545877
>It's a simple matter of intellectual pragmatism.

Which is a philosophy. Look it up. lol. It's the only one to have been made in America.

You tired of getting assblasted yet?

>>52545574

Mathfag here: because inductive reasoning is on the same tier of truth as guessing. Science is an expedient means of describing reality and is inferior to actual defined truth, whatever that may be.

Tl;dr ur a fegit

>>52545883
>The scientific method, when you boil it down, basically just means don't believe shit unless it fits the evidence.

Which is philosophy of science (yes, a real field of academics). The current consensus of which is that there really is no universal scientific method, since they all vary and Feyerabend points out that innovators must necessarily step outside of the rules in order to advance their field of research.

>>52545924
youre probably the guy who carried on a 4 hour argument with him before admitting you didn't even understand the first thing about what he was saying. You probably still don't.

thing is the loudest asshole, no matter how ignorant, drives the popular consensus among internet forums like this kind.

Its a shame because of the anti-intellectualism that is so prevalent in this community.

>>52545924
>Yeah and totally forget that army have no clear future.

So, you're not sharing it because you disagree with him? Why not let others decide for themselves?

>>52545907
I think you are assuming too much. Not every noob wants to win tournament, but some want to know where to start when getting started with an army that interests them. That's how it was for me at least.

>>52545644
Tau are super shooty and they are so shooty that they suck in every possible other way

>>52546012
Kurnoth Hunters with bows or Bonesplitter Arrowboys.

>>52545974
The easiest way to debunk the guys entire argument is by simply pointing out his spreadsheet results did not correlate with any actual tournament results that have happened before, or since.

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>>52545944
This is why.

Since math is nonfalsifiable.

>>52545916
>Yeah and totally forget that army have no clear future.
To be honest that doesn't really matter. We honestly do not know what armies have no clear future and which ones do. All that matters is they are still selling the models, and that is enough reason to collect them.

>Dude they are newcommers, they know no shit about hobby and game and it's your duty to give them proper advices.
It's obvious your definition of "proper advices" and mine differ. That's cool. He came to this thread asking for different opinions and advices, not to single out one guy. I just chimed in with mine.

>>52545944

>Mathfag here: because inductive reasoning is on the same tier of truth as guessing. Science is an expedient means of describing reality and is inferior to actual defined truth, whatever that may be.

Science, done properly and not as watered down dogmatic shit, is taking a machette to the navel gazing parts of philosophy. It's saying "There's no way to reach objective truth? Cool, we'll just toss the concept of objective truth out the window and use the word truth to mean "Best explanation we have"".

So yes, exactly what you just said but I think that it's a good thing.

>>52545929

Never claimed it wasn't philosophy, just distinguished it from circlejerk pure philosophy, a field which mostly exists to train philosophy professors who publish a few tomes of collated pedantry as they train the next generation of philosophy professors.

>>52546034
his guided step by step explination breaking down a method for balancing the game by applying the method to analyze, compare, and contrast in a comprehensive viable way two different units as an example?

how on earth would that correlate to tournament results?

>>52545999
>Not every noob wants to win tournament, but some want to know where to start when getting started with an army that interests them.

But some start and get only so far.

Other start and go all the way to the GT.

So why fuck 'em over at the beginning, "You wanna play Wanderers? What? Oh no, I didn't mean anything by that. They're totally cool!"

>>52546024
>Bonesplitter Arrowboys

Totally forgot about those! They're so broken that I keep assuming GW will rush in to fix it.

Still waiting.

>>52546054
>To be honest that doesn't really matter.
It's matter if we are talking about starting new army.
>We honestly do not know what armies have no clear future and which ones do.
More likely all legacy armies (probably except Chaos).

>>52546054
>We honestly do not know what armies have no clear future and which ones do.

Oh, I dunno. I suppose if you honestly thought for a moment, you can start with the armies that are being updated, get battletomes, new minis?

Your version of "proper advice" is preceded with the need to keep the competition properly nerfed, innit?

>>52546080
Because he was ALSO claiming that, according to his spread sheet, certain units were the best and there was no reason not to take them, yet they are not the ones you see spammed constantly.

Also, again, in a game like AoS, you absolutely can not just balance two units against each other entirely on the damage that one unit does on its own. Just because you claim it is viable, it doesn't mean it is.

You can have two units that are identical in every single way, except one has the keyword "Order" and the other has the keyword "Death", and already because of the buffs available, they will behave differently in an actual game that involves more than one unit each.

>>52546055

Pure philosophy:
>Let's sit around and make guesses

Science:
>Let's rank our guesses in order of practical usability

Pure maths:
>Let's pretend that our extremely well backed up guesses make us superior even though we need to apply the expertise of other fields to our information before it actually contributes to society

>>52546122
I think saying all legecy armies won't get a book is silly.

There've been some already.

Screw this thread.

t.engineer

>>52546158
I lost count of the number of times I asked 4 source.

Or video. Either way, that'd be great, instead of controlling the information by hiding it.

>>52546158
I watched the video and read the argument. he didn't say that.

based on the rest of your post its obvious you didn't watch the video and don't understand the first thing about his method.

Hey /aosg/, I've been told that Khorne Bloodbound are shit and Juggernauts are not that good. Despite that, the Juggerlord is basically my favorite GW model ever and the mighty facecrushers or whatever they're called are pretty cool too. If I bought the SC! box and 1 box of mighty shinstompers I could make this list, would be it any good or total shit?

-----------------------

Allegiance: Khorne Mortal

Leaders
Lord Of Khorne On Juggernaut (140)
- General
Slaughterpriest (100)
- Hackblade and Wrath Hammer

Battleline
3 x Mighty Skullcrushers (160)
- Glaives
3 x Mighty Skullcrushers (160)
- Glaives
3 x Mighty Skullcrushers (160)
- Axes
10 x Blood Warriors (200)
- Goreaxes
- 1x Goreglaive

Battalions
Brass Stampede (80)

Total: 1000/1000

General traits etc to be determined

>>52546196
found it.
https://youtu.be/EQPfJahmt1A

>>52546215
>Khorne Bloodbound are shit

Not anymore Anon.

New book, now they're solid.

>>52546189
sorry not that guy, replied to wrong post
this is it
>>52546224

>>52546085
That's not a fair assessment, and you know that. Talk to the guys who bought into Grey Knights in 40k back when they were top tier. Would you say they are completely screwed now? It depends on the reason they got into them in the first place.

Meta shifts constantly in these games. Who is to say what army will be bumped from the top and what will take its place? We really honestly can't say for the future.

This is why, in my opinion, whether or not an army is competitive is a bad reason to start collecting it.

>>52546189
Most people probably don't have the source because it wasn't worth keeping. The guy flipping out wasn't funny, it was just sad, and it taken place over multiple different threads.
I don't even have the slightest clue how to find the video.

Nobody in their right mind saves EVERY argument that happens on the AoS general. Only /WIP/ does that.

You need to understand that nobody is hiding it from you, it is just you are asking us to pump out a years worth of sewage to prove our shit had sweetcorn in it that one time.

>>52546160
>Let's sit around and make guesses

Pure ignorance of Aristotelian laws of thought as well as epistemic certainty vs pure doubt and the free will to force doubt.

>Let's rank our guesses in order of practical usability

Pure ignorance that anon is implying the philosophy of pragmatism, like an ad hoc remora attached to the shark of science.

>Let's pretend that our extremely well backed up guesses make us superior even though we need to apply the expertise of other fields to our information before it actually contributes to society

Pure ignorance that all fields implied are dependent upon math, and not the other way around.

>>52546122
>It's matter if we are talking about starting new army.
And that is your opinion. It matters to you, not everyone.

>More likely all legacy armies (probably except Chaos).
And that is again, your opinion. You are making a guess, but that's all it is. You do not know the future of this game. You can only make assumptions.

>>52546224
Thanks anon. Oh yeah. I saw that. This guy is so autistic that he'll take it all the way. Maybe make it his graduate thesis.

>>52546286
I think youre the guy who was flipping out and admitted after hours of arguing you didn't understand what he was talking about, had no desire to understand what he was talking about, and said something like you believed that you were the authority on the subject and that it wasn't even possible because "you said so".

>>52546250
>That's not a fair assessment, and you know that.

That's actually my argument. Please pay attention.

>Talk to the guys who bought into Grey Knights in 40k back when they were top tier. Would you say they are completely screwed now?

Sure. Why not? I liked them because box art. Nearly got into them when a well-informed 40K player was like, "You might want to re-think your decision there senpai."

I didn't know either.

>Who is to say what army will be bumped from the top and what will take its place?

Oh, so that's half the fun right? Circlejerking until your number is called just to be a competitive army? Not OP or broken, simply worth playing at all, right?

>>52546289
>And that is your opinion. It matters to you, not everyone.

But his opinion was that "everyone matters."

You're outing yourself as "that guy."

>>52546288

Hi pure philosopher. You in a Starbucks right now or a tenured office in between composing required reading for your students nobody else will ever read?

>>52543308
I may be blind, but which battalions are granting these abilities?

>>52546344
Explain how a way of balancing two things against each other in a vacuum (because again, his method is literally useless as soon as other units, buffs, debuffs, terrain, a units movement and bravery value, and any abilities that do not directly buff their own attack/defence rolls) benefits a game where that will literally never happen.

Also, I think we have all been nice in pretending not to notice mathhammer-anon isn't the one who has been defending himself this entire thread.

>>52546367
This only further reinforces to me the only good reason to start an army is because you like them, not because they are competitive at the time of inquiring about them.

But again, we are both just stating our own opinions here. Which is cool. Ours differ and there really isn't much more to be said on it without repeating ourselves ad nausea.

>>52546415
Goretide

He even said it in his post

>>52546393
You win. Sigh. Yes, it's true. Starbucks and all, because the sommon knowledge assumption is that "philosophy is dead."

Without knowing where their very own public schooling came from, yeah. So if you wanna side with them and mock, go right ahead.

*sips chai tea*

>>52546233

Oh, well that's good to hear. I still have no idea how to make a Juggernaut/Skullcrusher army that actually has synergy with whatever the rest of the points are spent on, though. I don't want to go 100% cavalry because armies with only 1 unit type are boring.

>>52546419
his method accounted for movement, bravery, buffing abilities and the rest of it.

you must be that same guy, and you still don't know the first thing about what he did.

>>52546419
To be clear, a 4x6 tabletop with shit all over it isn't a vaccum, but it is a limited space that can be measured.

In which case, you can mathhammer all that as well.

>>52546391
Ok I'm out. I thought I was civilly having a discussion, but I can't help that someone is making me out to be 'that guy'.

All I am saying is not everyone gets into an army because it's competitive. Some just like the look and/or fluff of it.

>>52546442
Oh lord the autism is real.

>>52546463
It really didn't. Any time someone brought it up, all he did was screech about how it didn't matter.

>>52546289
>You do not know the future of this game.
So as you, yet still you are encouraging new player to investing into army who aren't great on table and also not sctual army.

>>52546491
no. it really does account for that stuff. go watch it yourself >>52546224

>>52546467
>Some just like the look and/or fluff of it.
Dispossessed got some fluff?

>>52546434
>>52546434
>This only further reinforces to me the only good reason to start an army is because you like them, not because they are competitive at the time of inquiring about them.

Please elaborate. Please. Because you're not elaborating enough. As in "at all."

"Hi, I'm new to AoS. Which army should I choose?" <-- Implies they don't want to get screwed over after dropping a substantial amount of ca$h. Which means that things like fluff, sculpt, paint options, etc. matter a lot less.

This is the fastest moving Age of Sigmar general in weeks because everyone is talking about empiricism and the use of lizardmen in soliciting incest.

>>52546503
I'm encouraging a player to invest in an army that they like the look of, or like the fluff. I am doing this because, as I've stated before, 90% of this game is the hobby, and only 10% is actually playing it. When looking to get into this game, it is wiser to invest in an army that interests you more in the 90% portion.

At least that is the way it is for me. I know I am not alone on this, though.

>>52546467
Wow. Anon couldn't even agree that everyone coming into the hobby matters.

Yep. Totally that guy.

>>52546564
>like the look of, or like the fluff. I
And this guy never said he have hardboner on generic dwarves.

>>52546564
So yeah, "pure aesthetic" instead of the gamey bits. I get it.

What if I told you that most players ignore the hobby aspect altogether? What's all that fucking gray plastic standing on the table that literally screams I'm right?

In which case, you're encouraging the gamer to hobby when he pretty much signaled he's not about hobby, but more gaming.

>>52546547

You got a problem with the time honoured tradition of using start collecting seraphon kits to pay your hot sister for sex?

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GUYS!

Skellies are sold out/no longer available on NZ webstore - new sculpts coming?

>>52546666
Slaanesh, get the fuck outta here with that shit.

>>52546684
Not necessarily. The Wanderer Nomad Prince was listed as Sold Out, and even dropped from the webstore for a couple of weeks. It came back.

>>52546666

Go away Slaanesh, you're still meant to be missing.

>>52546684
Still available in Canada

Theyre probably just sold out locally, and they'll be restocked soon

>>52546684
They're sold out on the Aussie webstore as well, down as email me on the UK one... am I just getting my hopes up?

>>52546723
>Slaanesh, get the fuck outta here with that shit.
But it's exactly what a Slaanesh player would do, really.

>>52546739
Honestly, it'd be logical for them to do reboxings "Early" if they run out of the old boxes

>>52546419
>I think we have all been nice in pretending not to notice mathhammer-anon isn't the one who has been defending himself this entire thread.
I'm not even sure what you're trying to say or imply here, but I do know that the "claim superiority for not having yet done that thing that I'm about to do" school of rhetoric is grade-A passive-aggressive cuntery.

>>52546442
>their very own public schooling came from
Factories. It came from factories. It sure as shit doesn't come from a bunch of useless Marxists verbally fellating each other for their latest batch of insipid, meaningless jargon.

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Finished my Branchwych from yesterday, managed to screw up the weapon it had on the back so I've had to improvise.

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>>52546684
FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK

>>52546224
Dude needed blow his nose and try again. He's sniffling every ten seconds.

>>52546684
>new sculpts coming?
Nope they just squatting legacy shit finally.

Are Spellweavers worth it for Wanders at around 1000 points? I don't have any particularly powerful units for them to restore 1d3 models, but on the otherhand I'm sure I'd appreciate it in attrition battles.

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>>52546522
>>52546526
>>52546567
>>52546602
>>52546621
Ok guys, not him but I've been following the discussion here. And it's interesting.

So following up with the original poster here >>52545105, what should someone tell him? Because he is not clear to his intentions with his army.

One anon is pretty much saying "if you like them then collect them", and others are saying "don't bother because they are not a new army".

To be honest I am leaning toward agreeing with the earlier. I have been playing 40k long enough to know that what's competitive and what's not changes all the time, and I see no signs of that being any different in AoS. I started off with Tau back in 4th edition and they pretty much sucked terrible during 5th edition. I didn't get into them though because I thought they were going to become toptier in 6th-7th. I did because I loved the look of them. And that seemed reason enough to play the game. Even during their dark age of 5th edition, I had some really fun games and stuck with them because I liked them. That's reason enough to get into an army. Even now, I am collecting Dark Eldar, and this was during the time knowing they were total shit on the table, and before the new Ynnari junk. However I just liked them. I had some ideas for my dudes and stuck with them. Maybe they will become top tier in 8th? Maybe not. It doesn't really matter. I have had some really fun games with my sucky Dark Eldar and took them to a tournament and won 1 game. No regrets.

I don't think it's fair to discourage someone to play an army they are showing interest in because they suck at the time or there are no confirmations of future army books. That's just my thought on the whole discussion.

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>>52546782
>rattle bones update inbound?

DIG UP YER BONES! RATTATATAT!!!

*Rattling greatly intensifies*

>>52547080
>and I see no signs of that being any different in AoS.
The difference is that AoS have such thing as Legacy armies. This aries technically didn't exist in game it's just rules for players who already had army in WHFB and want to play AoS.

>>52547080
The issue with starting an old faction with Sigmar is that you don't know what parts of the old faction will be picked up for Sigmar and what will be left behind a la Tomb Kings/Brettonians.

If your particular flavor of dudes doesn't get supported, there's nothing guaranteeing it hasn't been soft-squatted and won't get culled at a later date.

>>52547075

Yes if you're running Sisters of the Thorn/Eternal Guard combination. Otherwise no.

Disclaimer: have never tried running that at 1000 points, only 2000

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Where my skelebros at? Post your spooky-dudes!

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>>52547181
Argonauts skellies are my favourites, what's yours?

Are Seraphon getting new models? It looks like their Carnosaur is no longer available

Allegiance: Wanderers

>Leaders
Way Strider (80)
-General
Spell Weaver (100)

Battleline
x20 Glade Guard (240)
x20 Glade Guard (240)

Other
x10 Eternal Guard (80)
x5 Sisters of the Thorn (220)

960/1000 Points

Have no idea what artifact or trait to give the Way Strider, but I figure just setting him up to go beast mode in melee.

I could drop 10 Glade Guard and get 20 more Eternal Guard and just have them in a full defensive posture while glade spam arrows. That would put me at a full 1000 points.

>>52547131
>>52547137
And while that is true, I still see people being able to play with their tomb kings and bretonians and have fun, and still get their points updated in the GHB2.

The 'squatting' of TK and brets is something that really hasn't happened since 2nd edition squats, hence the nomenclature. So you can assume from past behavior, that it is a rare thing for an entire army to be completely squatted. However I can't testify to anything because I don't know for sure. Maybe you're right, and in GHB3 the dispossessed are completely removed. But who's to say for sure that will happen. I just don't think it's fair to discourage someone from getting into AoS because one of the compendium armies interest them, and none of the new battletome ones do.

Anyway that's just my 2c on the subject. The guy y'all we arguing with stated his case pretty clearly and it spoke to me somewhat.

>>52547213
>one of the first battletomes despite no new models, minimal meta-fluff importance, AND clashing thematically with the Stormcast Eternals
No. They're soft-squatted for the foreseeable future.

>>52547251
>soft-squatted

>>52547251
Oh, that's unfortunate. I honestly really like them, I was thinking of getting some for my wife. Guess I'll hold off on that.

Odd that the model they're getting rid of is in the Start Collecting! box. I'll never understand GW and their secrets.

>>52547249
>and still get their points updated in the GHB2.
We don't know details of GHB 2, they also might turn them into shit to push sales of new armies,
And let's not forget that we are talking abou new player.
>Maybe you're right, and in GHB3 the dispossessed are completely removed.
Like a most of legacy armies they already ut of meta.

>>52547249
>But who's to say for sure that will happen. I just don't think it's fair to discourage someone from getting into AoS because one of the compendium armies interest them, and none of the new battletome ones do.
Hey, if you want to be a shitty person and not give them fair warning, you're free to do so.

GW's never squatted a gameline before either, but WHFB is dead. It's possible that Brets and Tomb Kings will exist in their current deathless state forever, but I doubt it. At some point AoS is going to start getting hard edition shifts, and I doubt that they'll go through all the trouble of keeping ALL the legacy armies and ALL the new armies updated. I wouldn't be surprised if AoS Second Edition or General's Handbook X or whatever lacks specific TK rules and instead just directs you to use them as proxies for Rattlethrone Spookytons

>>52547295
Don't listen to him, he's lying.

>>52547311
who am i supposed to believe on this site called 4chan :(

>>52547280
I wouldn't hold my breath on any significant updates to their model line. The whole order daemons schtick is just too close to SCE.

It's a shame, because they would have fit perfectly as Order-aligned denizens of the Beast plains. Just have the Slann set-up shop their and get some spawning pools running. No need to gut the fluff of the army.

>>52547295
Oh, the Carnosaur is just temporarily out of stock. They wouldn't retire the kit without at least throwing up a "Last Chance" thing to drum up some sales.

>>52547349
That does make sense on the carno. I'd forgotten about the "Last Chance" thing they're doing now.

>>52547349
>The whole order daemons schtick is just too close to SCE.

It really isn't.

>>52547371
SCE are Just Einherjar, straight up

>>52547371
Damn, bro, you just blew my mind. BRB, going to buy some new Stormcast Eternals™. What's a good flesh-tone base to work up to that delicious chocolate that I've seen in promotional materials?

>>52547249
>But who's to say for sure that will happen.
Well since GHB release it's pretty obvious that GW changes heir policy about AoS development, and looks like they aren't interesting in rereleasing old stuff (like it was with seraphons) instead of making new armies to replacement.
And let's be clear Empire, elves and dwarves models looks ugly and out of setting

>>52547425
The lack of follow-up books for legacy factions is a strong indicator that those factions will be getting new subfaction releases. Seraphon aren't, hence they got an early book that won't need retouched for a while/ever.

You're right about the age and appearance of legacy models, and that's only going to get worse as new subfactions are released. A decade from now, I doubt many WHFB era models will still be in-production with rules support.

>>52547424
Sure.

I use Rhinox Hide, was with agrax, then mix Rhinox hide and Mournfang brown, then just mournfang brown.

>>52547425
>And let's be clear Empire, elves and dwarves models looks ugly and out of setting

Nah, it's paint scheme, mostly.

Leaders
Lord Of Khorne On Juggernaut (140)

Battleline
6 x Mighty Skullcrushers (320)
- Axes
6 x Mighty Skullcrushers (320)
- Axes
6 x Mighty Skullcrushers (320)
- Axes
6 x Mighty Skullcrushers (320)
- Axes
3 x Mighty Skullcrushers (160)
- Axes
3 x Mighty Skullcrushers (160)
- Axes
3 x Mighty Skullcrushers (160)
- Axes

Battalions
Brass Stampede (80)

Total: 1980/2000

Fun idea or awful idea?

>>52547467
>Seraphon aren't, hence they got an early book that won't need retouched for a while/ever.
Well actually it was sort of my point
>>52547483
Nope it's their design.

>>52547488
>double 8s
Khorne approves, you now need to run it

Personally i'd fall asleep due to boredom

>>52547469
Thanks.

I actually wanted the scheme for some pre-Heresy Thousand Sons.

>>52547467
>will be getting new subfaction releases
Nah these subfaction will be totally new armies, like Overlords.

>>52547080
>what should someone tell him?
That he should chose actual army?

>>52547550
You're right. WHFB Dwarves never had a steampunk-esque tech focus.

>>52546224
I used to shit talk this guy on reddit all the time. Hes a total fag. His math is all fucked up.

>>52547619
Well they never went full high-tech.

Is it even worth it to get into AoS right now? It seems like there's a whole new army every other month. What if I invest in one army and the next month they come out with one I want much more? I'd be fucked.

>>52547637
You have to go back

>>52547641
They had helicopters, Anon.

>>52547657
>It seems like there's a whole new army every other month.
Nope

>>52547657
>Army already has battletome
Start now

>Model range you like already out
Start now

>Not really drawn to anything
Wait

My Nurgle stuff doesn't have a BT and i've got a full 2k list
My next army is Death, who once again don't have a BT, but i really dig their models (bar the zombies really)