>Dude Red Haste Gideon LMAO what did wizards mean by this?

>>52538004
Rakdos good again?

>>52538004
Jesus christ, and people thought Theros gods were a letdown

new magic sets have been 90% disappointment if you don't feel like wasting your money on the shitty standard format

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LOL

i was hoping for amonkhet to be good, they fucked even the card frames.

nu-wotc is shit.

>>52538006
At least threes gods had value. These gods seem like they were put into a extreme balance manosphere machine

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>>52538004
>DUDE GODS LMAO
At least Theros gods had flavor with devotion this is just trash.
Objectively worse Purphoros

Its kind of funny that the 4chan leak from over a year ago about an egypt themed set being a spiritual successor to Theros and Kamigawa ended up being enterily true down to the dissapointment

>>52538010
>Purphoros
Man, he's cool though. I stuffed him into my goblin deck so fast.

>>52538009
as an EDH dude, Theros gods were fun as commanders and had some cool flavor

but Amonkhet has not wowed me so far

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The only thing from this set that interest me is the embalm mechanic because I want WB warriors in Frontier, but theres not a single good card for it yet. The minotaur warrior you can exert is more or less what I want, but its in fucking red.

I just need something that functions similar to Mogis's Maurauders in white or black.

To this day Kamigawa remains the most disappointing set to me. Not the worst, just most squandered potential.

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Why did blue get shafted so hard?

Since when is magic /v/ discussion? I thought mtg was /tg/.

>>52538017
We also discuss Youtube, Twitter, and a number of other things. Welcome.

>>52538016
all the gods are shit so far

and as for blue, new players apparently are triggered by counterspells, so we're stuck with Creatures: the Tappening for the forseeable future

>>52538016
Do you know what those moon runes mean?

>>52538020
http://mythicspoiler.com/akh/cards/kefnetthecareful.html

flavor is nice but the card is SHIT

>>52538020
>Flying, Indestructible.

>Can attack/block if 7+ cards in hand.

>3U: Draw a card and you may return a land to hand

>>52538022
>>52538021
What a piece of crap.

>>52538022
>>52538021
How can you make a card that might as well read "Do nothing, waste a turn, mana fuck yourself" and think is anything interesting

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>>52538004
>red haste gideon
lol you're funny anon.

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>a Rare is a more interesting card/commander than any of the gods so far

bravo Wizards

>>52538022
I'm guessing that you would play this more as a late game mana sink/draw engine rather than a god then. That doesn't sound that horrible, but I guess it depends if control gets anything nice.

>>52538019
Yeah, I would like better land destruction and counterspells in modern before I get back into it.

>>52538023
If it was 6+ it would be much more doable but the fact that it's literally impossible to use until turn 5, not to mention you have to actively avoid casting any type of counterspells to avoid reducing your hand size, means this card will never see play.

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>>52538016
Objectively worse Azure Mage.
Amazing, truly 7 year NWO plan is huge success

>>52538025
>crew HoK before it dies
>wasting mana
>8 possible gideons in deck with 4 of them having a minor inconvienence.
lmao

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This is the only thing that interests me so far. If they can make some decent repeatable counter generation then I am down for this.

>>52538027
>I'm guessing that you would play this more as a late game mana sink/draw engine rather than a god then.
Why not just play Dovin Bahn then?

>>52538031
It seems like anything higher than a -1/-1 counter wouldn't activate it, though. The wording isn't very good.

>>52538030
>crew HoK before it dies
That's why you grasp it while it's attacking.
Even as aggressive as mardu vehicles are, it's highly unlikely they'll use up all their cards for Hazoret to swing T4.

>>52538033
there are only -1/-1 counters, though

I dig the focus on cycling/discard and -1/-1, and there are some neat cards for EDH, but the gods have been a massive letdown so far

>>52538026
it's a mediocre commander since I don't think the token would could as commander damage

>>52538033
Good point. Fuck. Atleast it can go wide with persist, wither, and infect. I'll still try to make a janky GB deck for modern.

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well, I know what's going in my casual EDH decks

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fun in EDH/10

>>52538039
Is there anything saying that a creature can cost 0 mana to cast? Because Hazoret's Monument is going in my aforementioned Goblin deck anyways, I may as well toss a handful down for free.

>>52538041
>Is there anything saying that a creature can cost 0 mana to cast?

what do you mean? And it only removes one generic mana, not a red mana

>>52538041
Yes, creatures can cost 0 to cast. Not less though.

>>52538014
>Frontier
kys yourself

>>52538034
At that point though it's just a game of poker and callouts.

>>52538042
>one generic mana
Damn. But that's only fair.

>>52538033
-X/-X aren't counters. There only exist 1/1 counters(after NWO)
If the card would put X -1/-1 counters it would spawn X tokens

>>52538039
Those all seem pretty nuts, but they make me want to run a deck with all five of those and all six Oaths from OGW, EDM and AER

>>52538041
Unless you have a way to reduce the color cost too, you still have to pay that cost. But if you do reduce all casting cost including the colored cost then you can cast a card for free as long as it meets the criteria.

prediction: one of the gods is going to be massively better than the others, annoying everyone

and there will be another smuggler's copter-like card that slipped through QA and will be a 4-of in all standard decks

>>52538044
I just want my WB warriors and all the good ones are from Khans. Pls no bully.

>Want to get back into MtG
>Completely broke
Are there any free card games that play like magic? I tried shadowverse/hearthstone, but they just don't cut it.

>>52538041
If it's colorless creature sure

>>52538052
you can play online for free, try one of the unofficialMTG clients like XMage or untap.in

>>52538052
>magic duels
If you put enough time into it, you can make some pretty cool decks

>>52538033
Well they haven't printed -2/-2 counters in fucking forever (they just do multiple +1/+1 or -1/-1 counters now), and it's specifying numeric negative counters, so yeah, +1/+1 counters, charge counters, quest counters, brick counters, experience counters, poison counters, and ice counters don't work with it. Or the host of other weirdass counter types.

>>52538039
They look good but "Cast a creature" is pulling them down

>>52538044
Can't kill what's already dead

Get fucking rekt, faggots. Have fun in your containment board.

MODS = FAGS

>>52538077
I will, enjoy politics :^)

>>52538077
It's too bad. /v/ was busy discussing politics and an actual discussion came up and was moved. I guess /v/ really is nu/pol/

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>>52538077
but we've been moved from the containment board to the best board on 4chan

I want my Dominaria back, but not with nu wizards art and writing.

>>52538040
>Brick Counter
On one hand, flavorful.
On the other hand: It annoys me to no end that Wizards just keeps doing these parasitic designs. Why not make it a charge counter so it can synergize with other charge counter cards?

>>52538146
it works with proliferate, right?

>>52538146
Think about what would happen if that would happen for a day.
Half the cards would be broken as shit

>>52538170
Yeah, because it's a counter and Proliferate works with any kind of counter.
I'm just sad and miss Fifth Dawn

>>52538176

Good. Worst case is an otherwise useless card gets banned from an eternal format, best case is something fun happens.

>>52538176
Can't think of many that would be broken with this. You can still use unique counters in certain situations, especially in Legacy, the only place where those interactions would actually come up.

>>52538011

kek

This is some kamigawa tier shit

Holy fucking shit I'm glad I stopped playing this game while it was still somewhat decent. These cards are pretty much Yugioh tier power creep. Back in the day a cost 4 5/4 with no abilities would be enough to be considered a rare legendary card, wtf.

>>52539015
really nigga
that card is shit

it may be huge but when it hits the table it will do jack shit

>>52538022
Bird looks nice for a control finisher.
Mana sink that you can use at instant speed for drawing cards. 5/5 Flyer if you can get him online, which shouldn't be hard as blue. Can bounce cycling lands to your hand to cylce them for more digging.

>>52539015
>can't attack
>can't block
>BUT ITS A 5/4!!!!

Holy shit, SO POWERCREEP

>>52539338
Also bouncing a land to your hand + draw increases your hand size by two. So it is pretty good at enabling itself.

Overall the bird seems like a really good card to me.

>>52539015
If anything legacy cards are more broken than anything standard has

>>52538037
He will be interesting in equipment decks though
>slap a sword of feast and famine on any little shrimp
>guaranteed value

>>52538045
>At that point though it's just a game of poker and callouts.
No, it's just good form. Why would you kill a creature that can crew during opponent's main phase?

>>52539015
When was 'back in the day' for you, anyways?
Because I want to know if you are right or not. You'd be surprised what's been printed even back in the past.
Besides, this thing is not only a rare and legendary, it can't function as a creature most the time.

>>52538004
I prefer the gearhulks so far

>>52540243
chances are if you have two black mana left open on my turn I'm gonna go ahead and assume you have something. One benefit with Hazoret is that he can be a blocker unlike gideon

>>52542957
Then it just gets killed at the end of the turn

>>52538039
Bontu's got a spot in my Kambal deck.

>>52538022

And people complained about Kamigawa.

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I didn't think this was that unpopular an opinion, but I like the gods so far. I'm not saying they're good. the red god does have a place if they print enough of a curve for 21 mountains to come back though.
That being said, I enjoy them not retiring the God creature type, I enjoy the story angles of having Gids try and reconsider his stance on Gods, morality, and himself. I also enjoy the risks there taking mechanically. While these two are very underwhelming, the hand size requirements remind me of Kamigawa, and the new approach to the artifact cycle in every other block is genuinely interesting. So far, the interactions of the various cards with each other as well as possible interactions with the current standard/modern/whatever meta have me interested.
TLDR: I like the bad thing

Anyone notice the way all the aftermath cards synch? Fuse and split cards had the x and y theme going, this one seems to have the x to y one. Destined to lead, prepare to fight, etc.

>>52538004
I still this thing male(male) or female(male)? Those are clearly tits.

>>52538039
Oketra's Monument + Whitemane Lion is a sweet little combo

>>52544637
>Anyone notice the way all the aftermath cards synch? Fuse and split cards had the x and y theme going, this one seems to have the x to y one. Destined to lead, prepare to fight, etc.

No. No one has noticed this.

Because we're all fucking blind. Only you can see the truth.

>>52546428
She's just female.

>>52538007

Chair Lightning?

ITT: /tg/ being so bad it can't even play RDW correctly

>>52538019

>cries about "Creatures: the Tappening"

Dude, this game was always about creatures.


>b-but muh spells

WotC printed some nasty stuff in the past but that was a mistake like most combo decks.

>b-but I don't like to play that much creatures
Then you'd quit.

>>52538041
>>52538046

Jesus Christ. No wonder MaRo started printing every shit on cards (cycling or discard) if their costumers are THIS dumb.

>>52550092
>Dude, this game was always about creatures
No, not really, otherwise it would be called Creatures: the Tappening.

>WotC printed some nasty stuff in the past but that was a mistake like most combo decks
Stay in standard Timmy.

>Then you'd quit
Why would I quit when I can play non-shit formats that are miles better than Standard will ever be?

>>52538004
Playable as a curvetopper in modern Jund. Make sure to buy them out from your LGS before people realize this.

>>52538041
>Is there anything saying that a creature can cost 0 mana to cast?
You mean like Ornithopter?

Dang son, not even "started in Kaladesh" new, you're like, straight off the boat.

>>52538052
There's always cockatrice

>>52538053
It could be one of those reverse devoid's like pact of negation.

>>52538037
Of note, if you embalming his commander recast doesn't get worse.

>>52538052

Try Eternal. Probably one of the better free digital card games out there. Closer to magic design than things like Hearthstone.

>>52538029

Yeah man, that Azure Mage sure is a 5/5 flying indestructible four-turn clock that optionally allows you to bounce lands and net mana.

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>>52550331
...what? The embalming stays the same cost, but his commander recast still goes up dude
>>52546699
Was asking because I wasn't sure that was even the formula. Dusk to dawn seemed a bit off, so I don't know if it's as inflexible as last time.

>>52538057
Why?
It negates counterspells.
How is that pulling them down?

>>52538057
It's a token heavy set. I'm sure they found that ETB was too powerful. Hell, the white monument would chain with itself infinitely.

>>52550197
Better curve toppers dude. Maybe for budget, but not worth purchasing en masse, at least without speculating on standard alone

>>52551336
>It negates counterspells
Not a big deal, compared to the flicker/token insane synergy. But i guess they would be a bit too powerful like that.

>>52538113
That was when /tg/ still did things.

>>52538044
>kill yourself yourself

>>52554357
>Kill yourself, yourself?

>>52550174
When the game was first created, what Richard Garfield intended it to be about was yes, to have creatures be an important part of the gameplan.
Not the only part. Not a minimal part. An important part.
Noncreatures were also intended to be important as well.
He just kind of really fucked up with the creatures being shit and the noncreatures being fucking amazing.
The fact that it has gone the other way recently (which is, itself, a problem) does not change the fact that creatures should still be good and an important part of decks, as was intended.

>>52559569
>playing green blue black
>winding constrictor turn 2
>as foretold turn 3
>turn 4 cast a 4 drop for free and still have 4 mana left open to counter saheeli/gaurdian combo or mardus bullshit

ayyyy

>>52559766
Are you retarded?

>>52551319
>..what? The embalming stays the same cost, but his commander recast still goes up dude
He means that since you only cast it once and let it stay in your grave when it was destroyed, the tax doesn't go up again when you Embalm it.

>Cast commander, tax goes up by 2 generic mana
>Commander dies, it goes to the graveyard, you let it stay there
>Embalm it, make a token, send it to your command zone instead of exiling it
>Commander still only costs 2WU instead of 4WU.

>>52559766
If it resolves you do get to cast Fatal Push or Dispel or Shock starting with your next upkeep though.

>>52559833
>>52559766
I fucking derped mate

>>52559944
Goootcha.
>>52559996
Yeah, kinda.

>>52559569
EYYYYY. Gonna stick this in a Rashmi deck and fuck around!

>>52559569
Ancestral Visions and Lotus Bloom and Living End and Evermind just got a new friend!

>>52559569
So by turn 7 you're countering anything your opponent does free of charge?

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>>52538016
>Thassa gave instant value even when she wasn't a creature through scrying
>Blue Bird will just stay on the field unable to do anything until late game

>>52539500
>If anything legacy cards are more broken than anything standard has
>this shitty meme
Synergy and low mana costs gets more powerful with more effects to choose from.
Conservatism creep is magic's biggest current problem. Modern SHOULD be 1000% more broken than it is now for the game to actually be good.
>b-but that would make the game retarded.
Synergy creep makes games objectively more fun (ex. dominion, legacy)
Power creep is absolutely retarded for creature cards, although it largely reached its peak years ago.

>2 Gods have been a dissapointment
>Every single Split card has been a dissapointment
>Even more of a dissapointment because they are FUCKING RARE
>The only interesting card has been the blue mythic and that's ONLY INTERESTING FOR EDH

Welcome to Battle for Return to Theros. Where every single fucking card is garbage and only the Gideon Mythic is valuable.

>>52538010
>being too dumb to understand the "trial" flavor and why they aren't enchantments
nigga u dumb

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Will we EVER get a set that isn't human-centric again? Is Wizards' determination to do "Egypt-plane/Mongolia-plane/whatever" and to tackle "REAL WORLD SOCIAL ISSUES" in their fantasy cardboard collection hobby going to force us to be all about humans until the game dies? I'm so fucking sick of the Human tribal meme.

>>52560617
Nah you still have to have the counter in your hand.

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>>52561270
Fuck you. Theros had complicated, interesting commons and uncommons with great flavor and art.
Just look at this beautiful bastard. Amonkhet will never have anything of this caliber.

>>52561345
But...
But the only human tribal plane didn't actually do real world social issues

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>>52561514
You could argue there's a bit in there about the role of religion in society and class struggles in humans vs. sparklepires but when I say the Human tribal meme I meant pushing humans to be the center of everything always rather than actual tribal synergy. Which as far as I can recall every plane has been human centric, going back to like Lorwyn. Maybe Zendikar 1.0, I can't remember the plot of that too well.

>>52561485

I love that card's design so much. But I also remember:

>"I cast Rescue from the Underworld. I sacrifice a Gray Merchant."

Being said way too many times during Theros block.

>>52559569
Is this a pseudo-aether vial?

>>52561591
Not quite, Vial is primarily aggro accelerator, this is more of a combo piece.

>>52561485
I really disliked Theros in terms of both gameplay and story (I mean that's a given in any Jacewalker content) but there were some real triumphs of flavor in there. That card in particular made me want to construct a "good guy" flavored mono black deck that I never got around to actually making.

>>52561270
>>strengthening red in standard
>> mythic that I and many other modern players want for combo

Wat?

>>52538004
The red god costs more mana and has the same power and less toughness than the Blue God. What the fuck.

Adding on haste is just insulting.

>>52563233
So do we think there will be some big reveal for the second part to the set about the gods? Like, maybe these were just fakes that Bolas created and then their masks fall off or crack and they show their true forms to fight the gatewatch and KILL EVERY LAST ONE OF THEM THOSE PIECES OF GARBAGE PLANESWALKERS I'LL DESTROY THEM I HATE THEM CONFOUND IT WHY MUST THEY ALWAYS MEDDLE IN MY AFFAIRS

>>52559569
its not a may
FUck my life

>>52563233
Wizards hates red and loves blue. That's why red gets to dump its hand for value and blue gets to build it for value. It's a no brainer which is a better strategy.

>>52563543
the fuck you mean it's X or less so that doesn't matter

>>52563543
>with converted mana cost X or less
>or less
It not being "may" is fine.

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>>52538004
Is the new standard 2 blocks or 4?
If Innistrad is in I have an idea for a Hellbent Burn deck

>>52538025
>rotates out
ok

>>52563582
>>52563589
i need to learn how to read

>>52563627
it's okay anon
i misread it the first time too

>>52563563
>Wizards loves blue

wtf am i reading here eh

>>52563623
uh no. zendikar isn't rotating until after hour

>>52538016

Now I'll admit that I only play EDH with borrowed decks but wouldn't he be decent for crewing vehicles?

>>52563642
oh fuck u rite

>>52563663
>Now I'll admit I don't pay money to play this game...
You're already smarter than a great deal of the people here, myself included.

>>52538026
Embalm? I always thought the word was Enbalm.

>>52563637
>>52563589
Good thing that this is a mythic where less players see it and get confused. #NWOisLove #NWOisLife

:^)

>>52563563
But the blue god, despite being better than the red god in almost every way, is also really bad. If that's what they think love is, someone needs to call the cops.

>>52563827
They'd be justified. What they're doing to this plane should be considered criminal.

>>52550046
RDW doesn't exist in standard

>>52563855
And it's going to either if they keep printing garbage.

>>52563855
I basically only keep up with standard enough to shout at people for saying "x is dead and is never coming back" when I can show them x winning a pro tour about a year ago.
but I do know basically rdw won a pro tour during khans. And RW vehicles, which was a super aggressive heavy red deck, won very recently.

So no, aggro red isn't forever dead in standard, it might not be a thing now, but that's just because deck standard cycles archetypes.

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>>52563641

>>52564458
Written like a true crybaby who just got exhaustion cast on the land they needed for their combo

>>52564458
That was true once upon a time. Blue barely gets anything resembling the love it used to.

>>52564549
I think it has something to do with R&D being so assfuck retarded that they handle blue with kiddie gloves. If any other colour gets half-baked overpowered stuff, they see it as balancing the tables against blue. If they make a powerful blue card WHOOPS WE FUCKED UP BLUE IS TOO POWERFUL.

>>52564458
>screencapping that autistic rant

I really can't tell if that angry kid is worse for making that longwinded bitchfit or you for thinking its cool enough to save

>>52564458
>extremestrawman.png

>>52561574
Lorwyn/Shadowmoor is the only plane and only blocks to not be human-centric. Ever. And it accomplished that solely by having zero humans. On any plane where humans exist, they are the majority.
And according to Market Research that was one of the many problems with the sets.

I haven't played Standard since Gideon-1 was a card. But I just realized they made him utterly immune to Doom Blade every iteration past the first one.

That kinda makes me really sad. I'm not surprised the Ally of Zendikar is wrecking shit and this new 3-mana one is going to do the same. Talk about zero interaction.

>>52563602
Innistrad is in until the next block. Hellbent+madness+cycling is gonna be huge, can you feel it?

>>52559569
>It's another "Card is shit because of one small detail
No hexproof. With hexproof it would be playable.

>>52565391
>hexproof
>blue
Wow, green called and was wondering if it could get it's hexproof back

>>52565412
As soon as they erase all the "cannot be countered" effects.

>>52565430
No. Sorry sweetie.

>>52565430
>>52565412
Just keep em both. It's not like it matters anymore anyways with the sorry state of removal.

>>52565239
What's a 'duum bled'? It sounds...magical.
Does it cost less than four?

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>>52565441
DELETE IT

>>52565514
We're getting a new everGREEN keyword in the next set that literally says "cannot be affected by blue spells or abilities"

>>52560088
Good job on spending a card, a turn waiting, and 3 mana on spells you can more easily cheat in through cascade.

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>>52559569
Utter, complete garbage. Offers 0 effect when played, barely has any serious impact for the following turns, and most likely by the time it hits 3-4 counters your hand will be mostly empty and you'll get no real benefit of playing those spells for free.
0/10 mythic that will be worth less then the best uncommon removal from this set.

>>52565591
You don't have to wait a turn.

>>52565545
Just you wait for the Super counter, to counter spells that cannot be countered or targeted.

>>52565678
HA! Never going to happen.

>>52565678
>>52565685
>Exile target spell

>>52565678
Summary Dismissal.
Vesnser.
That other "Bouce a spell" thing

>>52565678
Summary Dismissal and Time Stop.

>>52539203
That just shows how bad the power creep is if you think that card is shit.

>>52565678
Isn't there a spell that exiles all spells? Gets around both.

>>52538039
It is interesting to me that Hazoret's monument is seen from a different angle than that of the other four gods.

>>52565759
Because it's gideon in a mask

>>52565758
perhaps >>52565707
>>52565713

>>52565796
Mindbreak Trap as well.

>>52565819
Counterflux is pretty close too.

>>52565786
It seems to have boobs.

>>52565700
>>52565707
>>52565713
>>52565758
Nah man.. you don't understand. The spell needs to be COUNTERED. It's about principles, and not mere tecnicalities. I want to be able to go to the green player and say it, "just try it. I know you want to, but i'm going to COUNTER it".

>>52566022
>wotc
>not forcing transexuality into every product they make
>2017
Pick two

>>52566060
Oh it's definitely possible. I remember the black guys from ancient Greece a few sets ago.

>>52566086
inb4 brains with gideon gideon gideon and red gideon with tits

>>52565759
Considering that it's hazoret who delivers the final blows to those who go through all trials, I wouldn't be surprised if Hazoret is the pantheon head/knows about Bolas' intent.

>>52566239
Or maybe it's just how he gets his sick kicks, the pervert.

>>52566279
>his

>>52566321
tired ass tumblr gender joke, yadda yadda

>>52566526
In all seriousness though, Hazoret is a grill.

>>52566546
the character is, but the person playing her isn't

>>52566590
Are you autistic?

>>52566598
GIDEON IS TRANS GET OVER IT

>>52566590
I'm the idiot who misgendered Hazoret, what the fuck are you talking about.

>>52566644
see
>>52566639

>>52566639
No, he's just muddy water-kin. That's why he didn't drown in it, because on all levels except physical, he already IS muddy water

>>52538010
>>52538008
>>52538006
>>52538019
>>52538023
>>52538028

how is /tg/ so consistently bad at magic?

>>52566884
Sorry we don't like your card tranny snowflake

>>52566774
>T. Someone who never had his head pinned to the ground by someone of at least your dimensions
Also, don't forget Gideon and Ob Nixilis are both "beefslab", with Ob being a "demonic beefslab"

>>52544637
What't if we got a card that Aftermath'ed into a Split card? that way you'd either be X to Y or you'd be X to Z.

>>52566884
the "/tg/ is bad at magic meme" doesn't stop this from being awful horseshit though, just like it hasn't stopped anything we called awful horseshit from being so before.

>>52565210
>Lorwyn/Shadowmoor is the only plane and only blocks to not be human-centric. Ever.
Incorrect. Mirrodin had almost zero focus on the humans. They were NPCs at best. The heroine was an elf, and an odd looking one to boot.
Mercadia was run by goblins, rather than revolving around humans with every other race as a novelty.
The major military power in Odyssey was the Cephalid empire, of all things.
Most of Ravnica was masterminded by a dragon and an elf and the star was a ghost, albeit admittedly a human ghost.

So basically you're wrong, you probably don't read the lore, and market research can suck a fat chode.

>>52569020
You've got a point about Mirrodin - though, sadly, the people I was replying to weren't talking about just the books, and there were, in fact, a shitload of human cards in Mirrodin (regardless of their plot irrelevance, there were a lot of -ok.)
Mercadia, while it was ruled by goblins yes, had an otherwise majority human population (still not sure why they decided to call elves in bark dresses 'dryads') and the plot was focused on the mostly-human Weatherlight Crew.
As for Odyssey and Onslaught Blocks, the Cephalid empire knocked itself out of commission at the end of Odyssey itself. The first set of the two blocks. Nor were they ever THE major power - that would have been the (human) Cabal. Less overall humans at least, due mostly to Onslaught's fuckery, but Odyssey block itself had humans out the ass once again.
As for Ravnica, it's still got way more humans represented everywhere, amongst all the guilds and all the unguilded, than the rest. The ones in charge generally aren't human, yeah, mostly due to the ones in charge also needing to STAY in charge for longass periods of time - the exceptions being the elected head of the Azorius (you forgot him and szadek in your 'most of the block was masterminded' bit, by the way) and the formerly human Obzedat. The entire Orzhov, really, is nothing but humans, former humans, and cast-off human bodies.

>>52565700
UUUU
Exile all spells and abilities on the stack.

Is Gideon of the Trials + the 3 variants of Final Fortune the new meme deck of the week?

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>>52565685

>>52559944
>tax goes up by 2 generic mana
>Commander still only costs 2WU instead of 4WU.
Does not compute.

>>52571560
As in the embalming cost is functionally equivalent to casting your commander for a static cost, but it has to be in your graveyard and it won't deal commander damage.

>>52550092
Where did this idea that combos are design mistakes come from? Because it's fucking stupid.

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>>52570537
Non instant angel's grace that lasts as long as he does. Run pacts and immortal coil, maybe even put a pact on scepter. Idl, sounds terrible but fun.
>>52573116
Idk man, I came in late so combo feels natural to me. I hate playing it, so I don't. I hate playing against it sometimes, so I choose more resilient builds. Some people just think some things are bad fun I guess.

New Gideon looks sweet as a replacement for Phyrexian Unlife in Ad Nauseam. Unlife is much better in burn-based matches, but Gideon offers hope against Infect in the first game.

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>>52573380

>>52573380
On the other hand it instant wins against Ad Nauseam game 1

>>52573432
>that ability
>platinum angel's effect
>platinum angel
>sun in the picture
>a sun is a star
>star
>star platinum angel
>star platinum
Is this new gideon a jojo reference? Is his emblem activating his stand?

>>52573432
I must be missing something. This seems so bonkers it must a tidally just suck.

>>52573432
This fucker seems incredibly annoying.

Like fucking hell.

>>52577408

Are you ready for the mono white Gideon deck, featuring the 3 different Gideons in standard?

>>52577429
I'm disturbed how legitimately upset I am at the thought of that.

>>52577429
Gideon trible!

Ha! Prepare to meet my good friend Gideon of the Trials. I activate his emblem.

They kill gideon.

Ah, but you fool! You forgot about Gideon Ally of Zendikar.

>>52577571
>trible
whoa

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>>52539015
You're retarded. This is a 4 mana 5/4 with a downside of it not being to attack for a while.

Looking at gatherer they've had a (flying) 4cmc 5/4 in Mirage and a 4cmc 5/4 in marcadian. Yea they had downsides but this has a downside too.

If you want to see a "cheap and large" thing, verdurous is somewhat close.

>>52550320
This upset me more than the original post in this reply chain.

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>>52570636
>using the nonfoil version

>>52563752
>Embalm? I always thought the word was Enbalm.
You were mistaken.

>>52551045
Azure Mage can attack and block without needing 7 cards in hand.

>>52551045
>bounce lands and net mana
No.
If you're doing that it's through Tolarian Academy, Nykthos or Coffers. Tolarian Academy making a card better doesn't mean the other card is good, it just means that Tolarian Academy is hilariously broken.

>>52538024

You lack creativity. You hold up instant speed interaction on your opponent's turn, and then if you don't have to use it, you get to draw and bounce your land. Draw another for turn and you could be at 7, swing for 5 in the air, play your land again and do the same next turn

Once you get going with this guy he's very very strong. Not saying he's a great card overall just that you're selling his top potential short, you're supposed to build around him with cantrips and such to keep your hand full

>>52565612

It's for commander, where it will be a fun playable option, that can shine in long goofy games

>>52538021
>>52538022
>>52538023
>>52538024

lol screencapped

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>>52583320

Jist reminds me of this.

>>52566239
Do you really believe Bolas would allow any god besides himself to be the head of the pantheon?

I don't find it unlikely that the gods know at least parts of his plans, but I don't think they have any clear hierarchy other than Bolas being the greatest one.

>>52538052
Xmage or Hex, paper magic with friends is best though

>>52539015
Are you sure we were playing the same game?

>>52579178
That looks like a 4/4 for 5 to me...

>>52538024
People told me "/tg/ is bad at Magic", but I never believed them until now.

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>>52583870
Reading the card explains the card, anon.

>>52544500
I accept everything except 'Gids', pls remove yourself from lore

>>52567834
/tg/ has historically been consistently dead wrong about which cards are good and which are bad though.

>>52584095
>Hey, this is really good
>7 mana
>Shit

>>52584095
I'll take 'unplayable' for 200.

>>52584167
>>52584178
Could see some usage in EDH

>>52583988
show proof or shut up
>inb4 nahiri
it was the exception to the norm

>>52584211
It cost too much for EDH
That's a really special case of shitty

>Inb4 cheat it into play
There's much better things to cheat into play in EDH

>>52584261
White Gearhulk being listed as the best or second best of the of the Gearhulks, while Green Gearhulk was considered one of the worst.

Chandra, ToD, claimed to be next Jace, TMS.

Siege Rhino, claimed to be too mana intensive to be playable.

Treasure Cruise and Dig Through Time, similarly claimed to be too expensive.

Rattleclaw Mystic, claimed to be unplayable trash in every format, including Standard.

And that's just of the top of my head.

>>52538011
>Its kind of funny that the 4chan leak from over a year ago about an egypt themed set being a spiritual successor to Theros and Kamigawa ended up being enterily true down to the dissapointment

No it's not. The Egyptian rumor has appeared for many years(They never got the name of either set right and none mentioned Bolas) and I can fearlessly predict that /tg/ will be disappointed by every future set.

>>52570356
Patrician analysis

>>52584364
>I can fearlessly predict that /tg/ will be disappointed by every future set.
This
During spoiler season, /tg/ turns into /v/, as in they hate with a passion the thing that bring them here in the first time.
/v/ hates videogames and /tg/ hates Magic, Warhammer and TTRPGs

>>52584095
>ehh jank black rare no big deal
>read it over again
>its mythic

nice meme
fuck

>>52584396
>First time
In the first place*

>>52565612

LOL you're so bad at this game.

>>52559569

>NWO sucks. I want some Modern playa-

>>52584095
WOW A FUCKING CURSE, AMONKHET IS SAVED RIGHT?

>>52583910
Like I said, I like the bad thing.>>52583910

>>52584563
Maybe he's intentionally shitposting?

>>52584313
>White Gearhulk listed as the best or second best of the Gearhulks
It's probably the second best after Fatcaster, probably tied with Noxious. Green is worst after Red, it needed a fucking enabler in Snek and even then it's not all over the place like it was suppossed to be

>Chandra, ToD, claimed to be next Jace, TMS
Except those were two vocal faggots, everyone trashed Chandra like the shit she was

>Siege Rhino, claimed to be too mana intensive to be playable.
Good point, but no one said it was bad. Mana fixing was better on practice than it looked on paper.

>Treasure Cruise and Dig Through Time, similarly claimed to be too expensive
Only in Standard. Immediately after Cruise's spoiling everyone was going nuts over the second coming of Ancestral Recall in modern format

>Rattleclaw Mystic, claimed to be unplayable trash in every format, including Standard.
But it WAS unplayable trash. It only saw fringe play in Temur meme decks in a format where Jeskai or Abzan were the top decks.

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Guys if I have this on the field and cast something like insurrection, does it trigger?

Do the creatures count as entering under my control?

Also if i exile I creature I stole with Yasova with Conjurers Closet, does it get back to me?

And how does Bazaar Trader interact with all this?

>>52585054
Cruise was used in standard too anon.
As to rhino, people were saying he was bad it because of the color requirements. And while the oversight is understandable, it still means that they are all wrong.

>>52584095
>shit card
>it's a mythic
Good. Should've been less than rare, but I don't see anyone playing this in any format. At uncommon or common it'd clog up every draft

Of course, they could have always made it moderately playable, but we all know how much Wizards loves to print bad cards

>>52585054
>It's probably the second best after Fatcaster
Fatcaster was also ranked low by /tg/, consistently being placed as the 3rd or 4th best hulk.

>Except those were two vocal faggots
Sure.

>but no one said it was bad
Yeah, they did.

>Only in Standard
Which was wrong.

>It only saw fringe play in Temur meme decks
Which /tg/ claimed would never ever happen because the card was "too shit for even fringe play".

>>52585145
>>52585054
Not to mention that Rhino was also consistently called a "meme card" by /tg/, and Abzan a "meme deck", during its time in Standard despite putting up consistent results.

>>52584095
The only place I can see this being remotely viable is as a finisher in a control mirror match. Is that a bad assessment?

>>52584095
>How would you like your mythic senpai?
>Make it janky and barely flavorful. Also make it extremelu overcosted and unplayable on every format.
>Even EDH?
>Specially EDH
>Got you senpai


From the creators of Behold the Beyond. The black mythic that LITERALLY no one played

>>52585255
>Is that a bad assessment?
Yes. It's useless in a control mirror; 7 mana makes it easy to counter and it does nothing against non-creature win-conditions.

Only place this is playable is in limited, where it can either trash because exert encouraging attacks makes the format too fast, or it can be an unbeatable bomb because the embalm and high toughness encourages the games to go long.

>>52538119
so much this

>>52584095
seems fun with Academy Rector

>>52585424
You can just win with AR. Why even bother

>>52559569
that card is busted. Everyone saying it isn't is underage and shouldn't be posting. This card will make control viable again

>>52585441
I said fun, not optimal. Insta-wins aren't fun.

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>If Ascension of the Second Sun was cast from your hand and you cast another spell named Ascension of the Second Sun this game, you win the game. If not, you gain 7 life and put Ascension of the Second Sun back into your library as the 7th card from the top.

>>52585504
Woah, a win con in commander that doesn't need/work with clones. Interesting

>>52585504
>I cast Ascension again
>that was last game
>no it wasn't
>judge!

>>52585223
I don't know where you got the idea that "meme" means bad.

>>52583820
That art is great. Why it couldnt have been a 2BB sucks.

>>52585584
When asked what a meme deck actually is, /tg/ answers that it's a deck that's played despite being bad.

>>52585504
question: If I copy this on the stack, do I just win?

>>52585610
>if ___ was cast from your hand
signs point to no

>>52585610
You can cheat it out the first time, but the second time you gotta cast it from the hand.

>>52585636
>>52585641
>cast it from hand
>copy it
>stack copy played first
>now version 'cast from hand' is played
>you win

Im not very good at this game, but does it not work this way with the copy casting first?

>>52585668
You got it boyo

>>52584095
the only rational tought i can have is that there must be a way in amonkhet to cheat in curses or do something based on curses converted mana cost, because that card is unplayable even in a junkyard "fun" deck in any constructed format

>>52585668
Copied spells aren't cast, they are placed directly on the stack
> 706.10. To copy a spell or activated ability means to put a copy of it on to the stack; a copy of a spell isn't cast and a copy of an activated ability isn't activated. Cards on the other hand, can be copied and cast.

>>52585668
Stack copy isn't casted.

>>52585699
got it, thank you. makes it slightly less annoying in EDH.

will still be stupid though.

>>52585696
>>52585699
Correction, I'm an idiot. That would be, at best, played. Anon is right, copies are never cast.

>>52585641
>>52585668
>>52585610
>>52585504

that card spells " if you *cast another spell named - this game*.
"copy target spell" doesn't count as casting so it does absolutely nothing for this card.

you would need something that enables you to *cast* a copy of that card from either the stack or your hand.i don't even know if something with such a spelling exist in MtG.

since it also go into the library trying to cast the original from other zones would be awkward.

>>52559569
Skyship Plunderer and Maulfist Revolutionary? Figure out a way to give Plunderer double strike and/or unblockable and you've got a whole lot of time counters racking up - I think it goes exponential.

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>>52585504
>this with As Foretold, Maulfist Revolutionary, Skyship Plunderer
We Bant control now

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>>52585783
>i don't even know if something with such a spelling exist in MtG

>>52586016
That says play, not cast.

>>52586028
Cast is the same thing as play. It's just newer trerminology. That said, you still won't be able to win the game with EoS on the field.

>>52586016
Rtfc anon

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>>52586034
No, no it is not.

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>>52585783
There's a bunch but it's all older cards. Isocron scepter is hte most well known, I think

>>52586058
Stop being retarded

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>>52586058

>>52586091
>everyone wins

WHOSE READY FOR CHAOS

>>52586144
No. No one wins.

>>52586091
Referring to the instant or sorcery aspect, the issue is that nothing comes to mind copying permanents on the stack
>>52586075
You don't cast a land. They are functionally equivalent in most other cases, all others that are intuitive (no one questions about thi NH a being in cast or casting with their top card exposed.)

>>52586160
>nothing comes to mind copying permanents on the stack
You can't copy permanents on the stack, because there are no permanents on the stack. Nor is it possible to copy permanent spells on the stack.

>>52586189
Copying spells on the stack that have a permanent type (non instant/sorcery)

>>52586199
Yes. You can't do that.

>>52586199
That is literally impossible to do. It would have to be something like "create a token that's a copy of the permanent that target permanent spell will become" or some other horrendous templating

>>52586203
As there are no cards that do it

>>52586223
Not at all. Copies of spells progress through the stack like their non copy counterparts. Only difference is it would hit the board instead of the graveyard.

>>52586227
Because the rules don't allow it.

>>52585504

So, to correct and re-iterate, if I cast Ascension of the Second Sun while Eye of the Storm is in play, I will NEVER win off of it, right? Since it gets exiled, and is never cast from my hand even once.

>>52586291
Yep. You just get 14 life out of it.

>>52586311
7. And 7 again whenever you cast another instant or sorcery.

>>52586238
Except not at all yourself, you drooling retard. Show me a single example of a spell or effect that copies a permanent spell.

>>52586427
>Same Rarity and Cost of AVACYN.
>UTTER SHIT

>>52586386
There isn't one. Show me something that has -2 power. Just because it hasn't been printed doesn't mean it's not supported by the rules.
Copies of spells on the stack gain all characteristics of the spell they are copying, including typing. Copies progress as they would if they weren't copies. If the copy is an instant or sorcery, it hits the graveyard after resolution. Casted permanents hit the board after they resolve.
But sure, ad hominen works in leu of actual argument.

>>52586561
You can't have a copy of a permanent on the field that isn't a token or a card.

>>52586633
They still have to have cycling. Would be good with
>Cards in your hand have cycling.
but it doesn't have that. Largely useless.

>>52586612
the spell itself would resolve as a token. Just like old cards were erratad to say put an x token instead of put an x on the battlefield. Tokens are simply representations of permanents without cards.

>>52586658
A spell can't resolve as a token. Moreover, you can't create a token permanent that's a copy of a spell on the stack.

>>52586028
>>52586034
Play and cast are ALMOST interchangeable. The important exception is lands (which isn't relevant here anyways). You can't CAST lands.

>>52586666
There's nothing barring either of those interactions. It would require clarification, just like the rules requiring negative power and colorless cards with a color identity did.

>>52586759
>There's nothing barring either of those interactions
Yes there is. For one a token isn't a card. A spell resolving as a token would mean that a card turns into not a card. The rules don't allow this due to reality not allowing it.

Secondly, you still can't create a token permanent that's a copy of something that isn't yet a permanent.

>>52587119
It isn't a carded spell, it's a non-carded spell. The copy of the spell, the creature/enchantment/artifact, would continue along it's resolution path. When it hits the board, it needs an indicator for itself. So it would create a token. That's not explicitly how it would happen, but the clarifying rules are much simpler than half the shit they implemented in future sight, or conspiracy, or even Takir.

Second, of course you can, you just need to word the spell correctly. You can create a token of copy unresolved creature, as the copy maintains the typing of creature.

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>>52587242
>It isn't a carded spell

>>52587396
Alright, let's try again.
Let's say you cast a creature. I cast a hypothetical spell, which creates a copy of target spell on the stack. If the spell is an instant, it works like the many existing copy spells like reverberate. A copy of the spell is placed on the stack, and resolves before the original, then is put into the graveyard and ceases to exist.
If the targeted spell is a creature, a copy of the creature spell is placed on the stack. It is resolved first, and enters the battlefield. While not explicitly stated, the most elegant way to handle this is that the cardless creature would enter the battlefield as a token, behaving exactly as every other token copy.

This isn't stated in the rules, and there is no card printed that does this. However, this does not conflict with any given rules and is the most intuitive way to handle this. There is nothing in the current rules that says or implies that unresolved spells that have a permenant type cannot be copied, nor is there anything saying that copies of permanent cards cannot be placed on the stack.
The only limitation is that there hasn't been a card printed that can do that yet. There is nothing to suggest anything to the contrary, yet you keep insisting that it's impossible. This isn't an instant-creature. This isn't giving a player doublestrike. This isn't exiling your opponent's sideboard.

>>52586710
G/U control just keeps getting better

>>52571560
you get to cast him twice before the commander tax goes up

>>52579178
>verdurous gearhulk
>downside
what did he mean by this?

>>52561591
Aether vial isn't casting, is limited to creatures and is instant speed.

>>52585077
They are already on the battlefield. They were not played again, they just swapped places, so why would they be entering the battlefield again?
Conjurer's Closet lets you take anything on your side of the battlefield (regardless of how temporary), then returns it to the battlefield under your control. Since it went to a different zone, it now counts as a different object - the whole 'stolen' bit is gone, and Closet says to put it on the battlefield under your control, so you do. Congrats, that's the usual Yasova trick.
Bazaar Trader lets you give a creature you control to target player. The target player can indeed be you. If it's something you control temporarily, you now control it permanently. Gifts to yourself!