Amonkhet Spoilers

>>52534096
Target play reveals his or her hand. You choose nonlegendary, nonland card from it. That player discards that card.

>>52534096
Pro tip:
Is it a targeted discard spell?
Is it Thoughtseize?
Is it Inquisition of Kozilek?
If not then no

>>52534096
In standard maybe.

>>52534096
Decent. If it's standard i'd rather have Harsh Scrutiny though.

>>52534121
>Cabal therapy pls
>hyn to tourach pls
>Unmask pls

>>52534243
Take that snake players

>>52534254
INFINITE BUGS!

>>52534254
That's actually kinda cool with scarab maker.card

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casual 4/4 on turn 2

>>52534269
Holy 3/4 for 2 batman
Cool synergy with
The red aura

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cycle incoming

>>52534284
Lando?

I'm really digging the self -1/-1 counters cards. Meleria modern here we gooo

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Wow, this card looks good. Even in formats that aren't Commander!

>>52534303
>Legendary
>Uncommon
Pretty funny desu
Also pretty good abilities

>>52534328
Holy sheit that card is playable .

>>52534284
Drop the 1/1 white lifelink cat, dump this T2 using the cat for the counter dump, 4/4 turn 2 nice and easy. You can even embalm the cat for W so its not like you've lost much.

>>52534347
And the red one is the worst. Nothing new under the two suns.

>>52534372
1. looting is really strong
2. madness is still legal

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game-ender birb

>>52534395
I'm actually liking the design for limited a bit more. I have hope senpai

>>52534381
That's actually really good.

>>52534321
Yeah i like it too. -1/-1 for your advantage sounds nice. Also, that means big undercosted shit.

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This is a welcome reprint. Maybe control will be viable now.

>>52534254
I recognize that colorshifted card!

>>52534433
I say again, melira in modern? Undercosted dorks?

This seems like it'll end up being a fun block.

>>52534381
So, if Rav's splits uses 'and', these seems to use 'to'.
Dawn to Dusk, Destined to Lead, Onward to Victory.

>>52534446
so what do we reckon Kefnet's counterspell activated ability will be like? mana leak?

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>>52534447
>>52534254
Oh wow, I didn't even notice that.

>>52534447
Aw sheeett, unstable mutation is back baby!

>>52534332
Too bad Bontu is a horrible sounding name. Kinda ruins the black God for me.

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>>52534446
Really?

>>52534121
>is it targeted
yes, excluding some slight conditions (legendaries, lands)

seems strong imo

>>52534485
>playing a 3-mana 4/3 when there are 2-mana 4/4s in this thread

>>52534467
Prepared to fight (honestly the fight part is so over costed by 3 Mana I have no idea why it's a rare pump spell. Garbo imo)

>>52534483
This. Sounds like a spearchucking yokel and not a dark god of ambition and undeath.

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meh?

>>52534328
A go-tall WU tokens EDH deck sounds interesting
Cackling Counterpart, anyone?

>>52534502
To be honest, unless you put the counters on them, making them not a 4/4 or 3/4 anymore, you're probably gonna kill something else you control, especially on turn two

It occurs to me that, with how much -1/-1 counter stuff is in this set, the Gods being indestructible doesn't really matter that much.

>>52534547
boo hoo

>>52534547
The thing is that 4/4 -3 counters seems good even in late game if not to refuel the mana dork >>52534269.

>>52534547
Yes. Then you're gonna pay one manna and Embalm the Sacred Cat you played last turn.
In case you haven't noticed, killing your own creatures isn't such an issue in this set.

>>52534558
What? I'm not complaining, that makes them pretty balanced

Also, you NEED to put them on the mana dork if you want her to be a mana dork

>>52534547
I think the white cat will be a pretty good enabler for those cards. As it lets you get the higher power versions out on curve, you can embalm the cat to get it back, so it's not really 2 for 1ing yourself if you get it removed.

>>52534552
Well, yeah. They need to have ways to remove gods.

Theros had mountains of exile effects, especially for enchantments. Amonkhet's not enchantment-focused so instead, they're using -1/-1 counters. I wouldn't be surprised if -1/-1 counters were involved purely because of the existence of indestructible gods.

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>>52534269
Oh god. On limited T3 5/4 haste, refuel your mana dork.

>>52534552

Kind of another reason why the Amonket Gods are so underwhelming compared to the Theros Gods. One of the neater things about the God Cards was just how much interaction they could dodge depending on what you put on the field. I remember blanking creature-specific removal by sacrificing a font, which is something the Amonket Gods can't do.

>>52534619
Shut the fuck up with your theros fapping. No one cares.

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>>52534627

love how Green's shtick is basically "what doesn't kill me makes me stronger"

Prediction: The Gods are legitimately good people who don't know that Bolas is evil, or that the Trials are just a BS excuse to farm Planeswalkers.

>>52534284

Oh man I want to play this on turn 2 after a 1 drop in limited so bad

>>52534674
They find out their entire existence is a lie and that they're just dorky manifestations of mana

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>>52534671
>Creature with 3 -1/-1 counters: I am growing stronger

>>52534704

>just a bunch of nerds in furry suits LARPing

I could see it.

>>52534738
I like it!

>>52534755

I like it a lot

>>52534284
>Took an arrow to the dick
A true Exemplar

>>52534096
So when are they going to spoil the good cards?

>>52534772
that's her thigh

>>52534781
You already have the other thread as your whining containment thread.

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Flying.
Indestructible.
Can attack/block if 7+ cards in hand.
1 ManaBlue Mana: Draw a card & return a land to hand

>>52534805
>1 ManaBlue Mana:
>pic clearly shows 3U
hmm

>>52534738
U/R cathartic drakes when?
Jokes aside seems the kind of fun jank I love.

>>52534805
The return land kinda hurts.

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>>52534805

>four mana draw a card/bounce a land

What is this, a fucking Moonfolk?

>>52534824
sorry, just copy pasted from magic spoilers.

>>52534829
>The return land kinda hurts.

it's to help you hit 7 cards in hand

I kind of want to make a janky Ux aggro deck with him

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>>52534805
So it's Azure Mage, but worse?

>>52534829
Does it though?
>use the land to pay for the ability
>draw a counterspell
>attack for 5
>put the land back down untapped to leave up your counter

>>52534805
It's shit

Is this a joke?

Apparently the 'return a land' is a may? That's a lot more flexible.

>>52534805
Oh shit, it's somehow worse then he red one.
Tell me the translation is wrong.

>>52534805
The only "good" God will be the green one that will want 4 or fewer cards in hand. I.e. exactly where you'd want to be on turn 4ish.

>>52534898

>one mana counterspells

Sir, I reget to inform you this isn't the Mirage block

>>52534805

Holy fucking Jesus

It's like they honestly looked at the Theros Gods and said "Clearly these are just TOO playable!"

>>52534898
It is if you're planning to attack early.

>>52534913
Much better if it's a may.

>>52534805
Another dollar bin bulk mythic. Good job Wizards.

>>52534929
If it's a may, then there's still a chance that a Control deck might want him as a hybrid finisher/engine.

>>52534917

green will be 'control 4 or more creatures'

black will be 'your opponent has 2 or less cards in hand'

>>52534919
I don't play your homebrew format where you're only allowed to play four lands

>>52534921

I think we're seeing that these God Cards are made very much for Commander in mind. Having seven cards in hand and four mana open is more doable in these formats where you aren't being pressured to make a play every turn.

>>52534950
>control 4 or more creatures
more likely to be white considering its token theme
green will be control a creature with enough power or toughness, perhaps total among your creatures

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Gods were a mistake

>>52534805

I block with the blue god

I cast a spell, putting me to 6 cards and remove it from combat

>>52534961
>make cards intended for commander
>They're still shit

T- t- thanks Wizards.

>>52534961
These god are garbage in EDH.

Red has zero uses there, and the blue one is very meh.

>>52534977
>i am stupid
well this is tg. I never expect anything better.

>>52534952

So your big payoff with this guy is what, turn six? seven?

>>52534950
Green will be "four or more -1/-1 counters on creatures you control." I'm banking on it involving -1/-1 counters as the rest of the green creatures use -1/-1 counters.

>>52534972
Says the wannabe pope.

>>52534961
Not even kitchen table Commander wants these terrible Gods.

>>52534977
That would not work, you have already "blocked" its not a theros god where its not longer a creature.

>>52534977
That doesn't work. After you declare attacking or blocking and SBAs are checks, the game doesn't care if it can't attack/block NOW, but only if it was legal at the time of declaring attacks/blocks.

>>52534961

I'd take any of the Theros gods over this tripe in Commander.

>>52534977
obligatory calling you a moron post

>>52534997
>value cards need a "big payoff"
lumping you in with matey above

>>52534913
>>52534929
>>52534945
Turns out that returning a land is mandatory. It's DRAWING THE CARD that's a "may."

This card is literally worse than Azure Mage.

>>52534997
Considering the already previewed -1/-1counter synergy, that might be playable.

Assuming its not "@ can't attack or block unless there are 10+ -1/-1's on creatures you control."

WOTC plzno

>>52535026

well, "big payoff" being attacking for five through the air and having a counterspell in hand.

That's not really a big payoff, but that is the best case scenario FOR this particular card that you illustrated. Most of the time it's going to just sit uselessly on your field.


Oh, wait, I know, you can FLING it!

>>52535033
Well now that sounds stupid.

>>52534284
Post-op Lando. Wow so progressive.

>>52534805
>for make this card playable you truly need some miracle
yeah, that's why is a God

>>52534096
Well I sure like it.

>>52534254
This is neat for all the combo potential.

>>52534269
Really like this one. Feel a Jund deck brewing in my mind.

>>52534284
This is good too.

>>52534303
>>52534316
>>52534332
>>52534347
>>52534360
Neat cycle. Was surprised at the legendary bit.

>>52534328
Now this here looks good card to have fun with.

>>52534381
This is nice.

>>52534395
This looks great for limited.

>>52534738
Not the greatest but could be fun.

>>52534755
Pretty good, cycle helps this a lot.

>>52534805
No, wizards no.
Why did the activated ability be so expensive AND take a land.

Is this the set that kills Standard as a concept forever?

>>52534977
It's indestructible anyways you fucking tard

>>52534269
>>52534284
Are you allowed to dump them all on something that was going to die anyway?

Can I put all three one a 1/1? Or does each counter apply separately?

>>52534805
Land return is optional.

I like him.

>>52535053
>a 5/5 flying indestructible that repeatedly puts counterspells in your hand is not good enough for a control deck

>>52535101
you can put 'em all on a 1/1

>>52535108
see >>52535033

>>52535094
No, but i wish this set is the set that kills droves of neckbeards with aneurysms.

>>52535094

Mardu Vehicles and Copycat will still be good.

If they win the Pro Tour they're gonna get banned, right? People complained about shorter rotations but I'm not sure having your deck just get banned every 4 months is better lol.

>>52535117

>>52535033 is wrong though.

>>52535033
>>52535117
I will see the english card first before i make an assumption.

>>52535101
In fact, you have to put them all on one creature. You can't spread it around. You can put all three one a 1/1 though.

>>52535088
People that reply to more than 2 posts should be removed from the genepool.

>>52535110
Yes, a blue card that does nothing is not good enough for a control deck

>>52535135
Here, have a translation
http://mythicspoiler.com/akh/cards/kefnetthecareful.html

>>52534311
Kek. He's probably searching for the mindharp of the sharu

>>52535151
I can speak moon. That translation is wrong.

>>52535156
It's a woman according to Wizards.

>>52535172
Wizards also says that Olivia doesnt have a horsecock.

>>52535151
It's
3U : Draw a card. Then you may return a land you control to it's owner's hand.

>>52535186
Literal translation by myself:

>Draw a card. Then you may return a land card you control to its owner's hand.

It's fine if you don't believe me. The official english version will be up soon anyway.

>>52535083
>>52535172
Tranny tribal when?

>>52534738
Straight into Nekusar

戻しても良い=may return

He draws you a card, returning a land is optional.

>>52534805

I think it has been mentioned here, but it is apparently "may" on the land bounce.

Also, don't forget, that we are all terrible at predicting how playable cards will be.

You can dump mana with it and draw cards.
It could potentially replace itself directly if you hit 7 lands.
It is a flying indestructible clock.
It brings some utility with a land bounce.
It costs 2U which is not great, but okay - this is no cost you have to work for.
It threatens a suprise block.

This is not as bad as people make it to be.

>>52535225
>>52535186
Wait for the english card then. It's not like it won't be spoiled today/in several days.

>>52535262
I kind of like it, here's an idea,play the cycle land, and then late game bounce them back to your hand with this guy, seems fun.

>>52535186
>>52535225
How about you revisit mythicspoiler and see the fixed translation.

>>52535299
I didn't even think of the synergy with cycle land. That actually sounds good.

>>52534961
Don't put this on us. Hazoret was made with Standard in mind. A 5/4 beater when hellbent that lets you is only good when you have discard and ways to use it well. That is standard right now with madness.

The blue one doesn't fit anywhere and should be gassed.

>>52535266
>we are all terrible at predicting how playable cards will be.
not really. if you say every card is shit until proven otherwise, you are bound to be right most of the time.

>>52535332
Only question is how do you get into that late game, cause he's really not doing much for you until the late game.

>>52535262
Well then I'd say the card got much better.

Still a bit dissapointing for a God, but better.

>>52535367
here's an idea, play other cards in your deck as well

>>52535381
Shut the fuck up faggot, show me a control deck that can just waste 3 mana on a draw enchantment until late game. I'm being realistic, Control is shit right now.

>>52535266
>Also, don't forget, that we are all terrible at predicting how playable cards will be.

Speak for yourself my man. It may be decent in Standard, but in Modern it's unplayable.

>Costs 3
>Costs 4 to even activate its ability

So, just to keep track, it "replaces" itself once you've paid 7 mana for a do nothing. You could just cast a Serum Visions that costs 1 mana, and then you get to scry 2 after. And Serum Visions isn't even good

>Flying, indestructible clock
Once you get to 7 cards in hand.

Let's go through a normal game of Magic.

You start the game with 7 cards. At turn 3, you'll have drawn 2 cards (assuming you're on the play)

You have to play 3 lands to play this faggot, and then you actually have to cast the faggot. So of 9 cards, you're now down to 5. Turn 4, you're up to 6. You can then activate his ability, to bring him up to 7, or 8 if you want with the land.

Just one problem. What are you doing turn 1 and turn 2. If you cast any cards other than cantrips, you're now down cards.

Aka it's shit.

None of these Gods will be playable it seems.

Shame.

>>52535409
t1 Serum Vision
t2 Dark Confidant

>>52535364

It's important to remember that 90% of standard sets now are full of unplayable jank outside of Limited.

>>52535411
>unplayable mythics

isn't this what you people wanted? no more gideons?

Here's something we're forgetting in our analysis, that I just want to put out there:

Gods can crew vehicles, and have a higher power than their cost would normally allow.

>>52535502
The whole fucking set looks unplayable so far.

>>52535515
Yeah, because crewing vehicles is SUPER hard, like, ugh, it's just soooooooo dificult.

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>>52535515
GOD'S LAMBO

>>52535531
We have only seen the manabase (super playable and format defining) and a handful of rares, there are always a handful of niche and EDH rares/mythics spoiled early. If the rest of the cards are around this powerlevel then you can actually complain.

>>52535543

i knew investing in this card was the right decision

>>52535543
hah, could this actually happen?

Playing the gods, just as indestrucible crew sticks?

>>52535409
>Speak for yourself
Last time I gave a shit people were predicting Nahiri to be unplayable. Now she is 20 bucks.
Many such cases.
Of course you always predicted it right and used that knowledge to buy all the cards we missed for cheap until they spiked.
But then again, if you were so clever, why would you waste your time posting on an anonymous imageboard with a fucking name.
I think you are just full of shit.

>Once you get to 7 cards in hand.
5 cards because of his ability. Did you even read the card or put some thought into your reply?

>Just one problem. What are you doing turn 1 and turn 2. If you cast any cards other than cantrips, you're now down cards.
Then maybe cast cantrips?

Get rid of your fucking name and I might take you serious. Also, take a shower.

>>52535603
Nah it's only a joke because we don't have enough Fling

>>52535033
I don't buy this for the simple reason that "Frontier era" WotC would definitely have made returning the land be a cost if it were mandatory.

>>52535502
Mythics were a mistake to being with.

>>52535610
>Last time I gave a shit people were predicting Nahiri to be unplayable. Now she is 20 bucks.

And now she's not played in Standard at all (granted this may change) and her "premiere" Modern deck is barely even T2.

>5 cards because of his ability. Did you even read the card or put some thought into your reply?

I did. I'm saying that you're paying 7 mana for a T4 5/5 flier, assuming you haven't done anything else. Could be good in Standard, but unplayable in Modern.

>Then maybe cast cantrips?
That's a great idea, especially against a lot of the decks in Modern. You're sure to win by not doing anything until T4. T3 is pretty much a blank since you're casting it.

>Also, take a shower.
Nice projecting m8e

>>52535470
Not bad, but I still don't think that you'd want to play this card anywhere in Modern. You can't afford to just be doing nothing on the 3rd turn of the game.

>>52535851
>And now she's not played in Standard at all (granted this may change) and her "premiere" Modern deck is barely even T2.

You know, this is an excellent point. Why the fuck IS Nahiri so fucking expensive? Is it pure waifu-ism driving the price?

>>52536022
>You know, this is an excellent point. Why the fuck IS Nahiri so fucking expensive? Is it pure waifu-ism driving the price?

I'd say a combination of that and also the fact that there's a lot of people who bought her at $25-$40 and don't want to lose a lot. Called price memory.

I pulled one in a SoI pack and never traded it lol

>>52534738
why couldn't these be baby sphinxes?

>>52535603
> Bolas create gods for various nefarious scheme
> They end up racing instead

>>52536057
With baby first riddles?

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>>52534284
>>52534269
I'm not trying to force a shit sinergy, but could this work?

This is the worst set since BFZ.

Did WOTC learn nothing?

>>52536289
Spoiler season is still young, only a few rares or mythic have been spoiled

blue god sucks balls

expect to see a Gideon or Scrounger or HoK ban along with a Felidar Guardian ban before the next pro tour

because unless we get something like manaleak or straight up counterspell control is still dead and the meta won't shift at all
Mardu agro will still brainlessly turn their cards sideways and win games on turn 4 and copycat will still oops I win and be cancer

nothing so far does anything to change that

>>52536103
>racing egyptian gods
Didn't Yugioh already do that?

>>52536513
>control is still dead
yup

>the meta won't shift at all
nope! They put a lot of strong mono-G cards last set, and it looks like there are a lot of strong mono-G cards this set. I would not be surprised if GX Aggro Stompy becomes the next top deck.

>>52536103
>racing
>on a luxury yacht
They are quiet clearly just chilling out on the boat

>>52536565
it better have some way to stop 3/1 first strikers and 4/4 fliers as early as turn 2 or it just loses on turn 4 like every other deck

I would guess that Wizards once again gets ban happy so that the meta is forced to change and people have to use the new cards so that the pro tour isn't filled with decks using 0 new cards

>>52536565
GW with croco, -1 dork, arrowboi, Wcat and other cheap embalm creatures? Maybe Snek monument to pump creatures? Maybe splash R to get the aura?

>>52536223
It does what you think but there are literally infinitely better creatures to play Melira.

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>>52534738
God yes.

>>52534888
>>52534829
>>52534805
>>52534898
>MAY return a land

>>52536057
have we even seen a single sphinx yet?

>>52536864
Consecrated Sphinx reprint
maybe

>>52536880
only as an invocation.

>>52534269
>>52534284
Wow such a great combo with Winding Constrictor :^).

>>52536880
Maro already confirmed that of the Invocations, only Aven Mindcensor is getting a real reprint in the set. Sorry to shoot you down on that one.

>>52534170
>>Cabal therapy pls
Not targeted discard.

>>hyn to tourach pls
Not targeted discard.

>>Unmask pls
Is Unmask actually played anywhere still? If so I guess you sorta got him there.

>>52536892
>>52536902
shucks
owell, i don't want a mythic to be a reprint anyway.

>>52537061
>not targeted discard
Both of those are targeted discard though.

>is Unmask still played
Yes.

>>52535149
He did it yesterday too. Same shallow word use. Dude thinks he's on reddit or something.

>>52537132
No. Targeted discard are cards like Duress and Thoughtseize where your opponent reveals your hand and you pick the card you want him to discard.

Of the two, Therapy comes the closest to being targeted discard, but the fact that you sometimes have to name a card blind and can hit more than one means that it actually isn't.

Hymn is random discard. The complete opposite of targeted discard.

>>52537293
You are applying your own needless meanings to already established words. Both Therapy and Hymn are targeted discard spells.

>>52537337
No, you are misunderstanding already establised terms. Targeted discard is not any discard spell that "target opponent" in its text box.

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>>52537409
600k results is comically low for Google. Doesn't seem like the rest of the world uses your term. Are you an ESL?

>>52537488
>Doesn't seem like the rest of the world uses your term
It's not mine, and in the image you posted you have several links that use it exactly as I described. There's not a single one that uses it the way you claimed it's used.

I think something to keep in mind with the gods and the set in general is that we need to see the potential strengths of the cards. Where do they fit into a curve? What synergies are there in standard? The blue God is an above curve evasive body with a meh ability. It's strong suit is hitting for 5. Question is: what, if any, way exists to efficiently keep 7 cards in hand?

>>52537293
>the fact that you sometimes have to name a card blind and can hit more than one means that it actually isn't
That's why you Git-Probe first, you dolt

>>52537980
And sometimes you don't have Probe but you have to try and get counterspells out of your opponent's hand and hope that you're naming the right one.

>>52534303
This is bonkers good with the new green creatures

>>52537887
>what, if any, way exists to efficiently keep 7 cards in hand?
Activating his ability.

>>52534360
One word
>Elves

>>52537887
Red seems simpler.
T1 draw, land, jackal. 6 cards.
T2 draw, land, burn spell or creature. 5 cards.
T3 draw, land, two spells? Three somehow? Lightning axe? 3 cards likely in hand
T4 draw land red god. Still too many cards in hand most turn 4s. He's more a top end than a t4 play

>>52538155
Paying 4 seems kind of garbo

>>52538417
If you draw any more and the first one sticks you can just discard them to hand size.

>>52534523
Not a wizard.

>>52538400
>implying you wouldn't have other discard outlets in that deck

>>52538442
What are you doing t1 and 2

>>52534617
It's too bad you can't target the Croc with the green monument when you play it on T4.

>>52538472
What are discard outlets worth playing

>>52538502
Presumably you're some kind of control deck, so not much.

>>52534477
>>52534447
The blue card is the colorshifted card, it just traveled back in time a number of years.

>>52538535
In Standard and of the top of my head
>Bomat Courier
>Collective Brutality
>Cryptbreaker
>Haunted Dead
>Lightning Axe

>>52538683
Cathartic Reunion

>>52538683
>Olivia
>Noose Constrictor
>Furyblade vamp
>Stitchwing

its almost like we had a madness set recently

>>52536223
No?
Melira prevents those 2 cads from doing anything.

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>>52534381
This is tutorable by Sunforger right? Still it makes a 7 power commander an instant killer. Goes right into Zurgo!

>>52538798
Aurelia player here.
Yes, yes it can

>>52538753
You get a 3/4 and a 4/4 for 1G, you don't even need the extra 1 life a turn or ramp since these creatures are cheap enough

>>52538711
Not the kind of discard outlet we were looking for.

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>>52538798
>>52538823
Split cards no longer have multiple CMC when not on the stack.


Onward/Victory has a cmc of 6.

>>52538825
You get that anyway by having a token or any other creature.
The creatures doesn't have to target themselves.

>>52538860
Well sure i 100% agree with that and think that's a better strategy than melira, i was just pointing out that it's not that bad. The cat, cat monument and cartouche are gonna be the best way to get those creatures bigger imo.

>>52538846
You are lying!
please tell me you are lying

>>52538931
He's not.

>>52538931
Nope, sorry.

http://magic.wizards.com/en/articles/archive/news/amonkhet-split-card-rules-changes-2017-04-04

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>>52538946
>>52538960
Shame, but I am still playing in in Zurgo

>>52538737
So we're looking at a red green or jund list most likely??

>>52534269
>>52534617
>4x Young Wolf/Experiment One
>4x Strangleroot Geist
>4x Channeler Initiate/Exemplar of Strength/Avatar of the resolute
>4x Leatherback Baloth/Dungrove Elders

Makes a pretty decent mono green stomp shell for modern, just dump all the -1/-1 counters on young wolf and Strangleroot, they die and comeback with +1/+1 counters, spam more channelers and exemplars and they just comeback. Because you're running 8-12 creatures with undying or evolve, Avatar of the resolute can consistently ETB as a 4/3 or 5/4.

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>>52538960
What kind of steaming horse shit is this? Who thought this was a good idea? What kind of fucktards complained to get this changed?

I'm spamming them with angry emails. This is ridiculous.

>>52539173
>spam more channelers and exemplars and they just comeback.
doesn't work that way.

>>52535470
>opponent has an instant speed 1-cmc exile target creature spell in his hand.

>>52539238
Can you explain?

I'm pretty sure young wolf and strangleroot comes back with a +1/+1 counter on them, at least on the first -1/-1 counter dump.

>>52539323
It will work the first time, won't work the 2nd time.

>>52539238
>put -1/-1 on creature with a +1/+1
>one -1/-1 gets eaten by the +1/+1
>creature dies with no +1/+1 on it
>undying procs and makes it come back
>???
>profit

>>52538860
But that does mean you lost a chump blocker and open yourself up to being 2 for 1'd by a removal spell. Have you already forgotten that's Fatal Push was just printed?

>>52539350
+ and - counters won't cancel each other if the creature dies with it.
A Young Wolf with a +1/+1 counter being given 3 -1/-1 counters will die with all 4 counters intact.

>>52539238
>121.3. If a permanent has both a +1/+1 counter and a -1/-1 counter on it, N +1/+1 and N -1/-1 counters are removed from it as a state-based action, where N is the smaller of the number of +1/+1 and -1/-1 counters on it.

>704.1. State-based actions are game actions that happen automatically whenever certain conditions are met. State-based actions don’t use the stack.
>704.4. Unlike triggered abilities, state-based actions pay no attention to what happens during the resolution of a spell or ability.

Yes it does nigga.

>>52539173
>>52539323
>>52539350
>>52539419
-1/-1 counters and +1/+1 counters remove each other as a state-based action. A creature with zero or less toughness dies as a state-based action. All state-based actions happen simultaneously. When the game checks whether undying should trigger or not, it sees what the creature looked like as it last existed on the battlefield, which is right before state-based actions were checked.

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>>52534619
Yeah man, theros gods were way less susceptible to remo--

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>>52534269
Goes infinite with anything that can borrow their abilities.

>>52539630
There is a lot less exile removal for enchants then normal destruction. There's a reason why they were a nightmare in limited.

>>52539468
Only idiots play sideboard cards in the main board

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I unironically love the Embalm tokens.

>>52539181
>Who thought this was a good idea?

The same people who thought you needed to get rid of Mana Burn, Damage on the Stack, and Regenerate.

>>52539777
They will print a mummy token for each creature with embalm.
Now i hope there's a mythic creature with embalm which means there will be a mythic token.

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WHENS TOP SNEK AND WILL HE BE GOOD FOR XEANGOS COMMANDER

>>52539831
I feel like >>52534328 makes that a bit more dubious, but I think they could still pull it off.

>>52534096
Fuck, I forgot beautiful cyrillic letters are.

>>52534738

banned in standard

>>52539894
Dubious as in they couldn't print all mummy creature token? or as in there won't be a mythic embalm creature?
Because they already confirmed it that there will be a mummy token for each embalm creature.

>>52540015
The Mythic part. I feel like if they're going to make a Legendary Creature that enhances Embalm and itself has Embalm, then that was the closest we'll get. Unless they make a sandwurm equivalent to Worldspine Wurm and for some fucking reason give it Embalm.

>>52534987

People who don't know anything about EDH always say bad cards are for EDH

>>52540139
More casual EDH allows for jankier cards that you normally couldn't use in faster formats.

So it is understandable to an extent.


These new gods though, serve no purpose, other then discard/draw outlets you can do more efficiently elsewhere.

>>52539630
Usual suspect is Necrotic Ooze, before you needed a tricolor deck (GBR IIRC) to make it, now you only need GB.

>>52540257
Morsel hoarder is hybrid R/G
The deck runs red for faithless/tormenting/cathartic/wincons

>>52539181
The same people pushing the agenda that Magic should be to attract little Timmys for two years and do bugger all to retain them, and as such should feature reduced rules complexity to reward newfags for being new, as opposed to veterans for actually studying the rules and coming up with fantastic, interesting new decks.

The recent bunch of suits managing WotC:aHS have to be some of the worst decision makers in the history of the fucking game.

>>52540358
>WotC:aHS
Wizards of the Cost: American Horror Story?

>>52539406
No it won't.

>>52540317
I remembered Morsel was dual-colored but didn't remember it was RG, thought it was RW or smth.

Anyway, 2 cmc monogreen is still way better than 6cmc RG for most decks, especially if you play EDH with a BG deck.

>>52540421
a Hasbro Subsidiary

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>>52540505

>>52540441
Technically, Young Wolf dying and the counters removing each other happen simultaneously. However, the overall point of that post is still correct. If a Young Wolf with a +1/+1 counter is hit by three -1/-1 counters, undying will not trigger.

>>52540628
When you put it like that, yes.
The way he said it was all verily unduly way too far retarded.

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>>52537061

Nest of Scarabs + Everlasting Torment + Blasphemous Act

>>52536223
Depending on what else comes down the line she could become a nasty tiny leaders general.

>>52538960
Fucking bastards killed birdbrain combo

>>52535088
(you)
you

>>52534360

do you guys think this is worth playing in a captain sisay commander ?

>>52538647
I was gonna say something, but copying something else, then going back in time so they could claim to be the first to do it is EXACTLY what blue would do.

>>52534805
>people legitimately defending this card

Unless this is standard control vs standard control sideboard game this card will see literally zero play

>>52534805
I don't even care that this is unplayable I'm just happy to have Essence Scatter in standard

Now we just need a lightning strike and other removal and maybe standard won't be so fucking cancer

>>52534483
>>52534519

Still better than Ammit.

>>52538846
Welp canceling my plan for swapping it out.
Fucking homosexuals

>>52534284
WE

>>52544066
WUZ

>>52534805
The second god card is revealed, and it's just as shit as the first one. No hope. I have no hope left for this fucking set, and I have no hope left for MaRo and his shitshow of a company called wotc.

>>52544134
NIGGS

>>52544134
EGYPTSON WARRIAS N SHIEEET

>>52544066
>>52544134
>>52545062
>>52545180
Wooaahh. That's racist, amigo.

>>52534096
It may of had a chance if it was instant speed.

>>52534781
These are the good cards anon. The first week they normally show the lands, cycles, and the "best" cards they think are in the set to get the ball rolling. Then it slows down and we get the mid tier stuff and then we see the "choice pick" bombs that are actually really good or make us want to commit collective suicide. Then it slows down and we see the rest of the mythic's and rares not yet spoiled then they drop the whole batch of worthless commons that even limited players will likely want to avoid if possible.

>>52534328
The fuck? I thought Embalm was going to be the WB thing. This actively depresses me since I hate blue and now its going to get a share of the only mechanic I was looking forward to playing.

>>52539867
>Trample, Indestructible
>7/3
>Cant attack or block unless a there are at least 7 -1/-1 counters on creatures you control

>>52546887
Embalm is literally every color but black.

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>>52534805
RUG Landfall here i come

>>52547069
Oh well. just the 4th set since I've started playing where I literally don't care about any of the mechanics.

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>>52539777
mfw I have no face

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>>52534708

>>52534467
It was in one of the official videos that 'to' was the bridge word.

>>52538960
Wow, I clicked a link to a reddit thread about it and they are all universally praising it as a good thing

>it was un-intuitive!

>obvious exploit and I figured it was only a matter of time until they fixed it

>Good, this was confusing new players!

>This rule was dumb in the first place!

>Living End is now stronger!
(This is the only valid positive point I found)

Goes to show that people will gobble up shit no matter how disgusting.

>>52535101
They Apply to the creature at the same time killing it. So yes you can. If you have no other creatures it has to go on the exemplar though.

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>>52544716
Don't forget what they did to the invocations too. Those poor things didn't deserve what they got.

>>52548317
>Thought the pervert thing was a meme
>It actually looks like "hazoret the pervert" until you read its effect
bravo wizards

What, nobody's posted Floodwaters yet?

How does it feel that standard will never be good again?

>>52547471
trigger warning: minor rules change

>>52548606
It's damn triggering, they killed what is probably the most unique and fun deck that has popped up in modern the past year.

>>52534360
Combo elves just got a lot more scary.

>>52548635
Reddit's MtG community is trash anyway. Since they managed to get a reserved spoiler card they feel like they have to suck wizards off to keep it that way, and if there's one thing the reddit moderation team HATES its free speech

>>52541735
nobody plays tiny leaders.

>>52539468
>Born of the Gods
A shitty set for a shitty block

>>52548541
It's because WotC fucked up HARD in BfZ and Kaladesh.

BfZ block standard was actually kind of interesting because all the really powerful cards were from Khans block and the dual lands in BfZ made for some cool 4 color decks. Granted, standard decks costed as much as a modern or legacy deck, but at least the games were fun and engaging.

Then Shadows hit, and it was solid. Hell, even the story was decent, which is really something considering how shit tier BfZ's story was.

Then Dragons and Origins rotate out and standard went to shit. Battle for Zendikar was a terrible block for eternal formats, terrible for standard, and terrible for limited.

Kaladesh comes by and this is where the problems start again. First there's Smuggler's Copter, which should never have been printed in the first place. Then there was Aetherworks Marvel, which transformed winning with Emrakul or Ulamog from skillful spaghetti cooking into shitty instant ramen. Otherwise, fantastic draft environment and it upgraded modern Emeria which is always really fun to watch.

And then Aether Revolt fucks everything up again. Banning Copter I can understand, absurd card and I can't understand how it slipped by. But then Wizards IMMEDIATELY replaces it with Heart of Kiran! Banning Emrakul when the real problem was Aetherworks Marvel was another shit tier decision. And then there was the Reflector Mage ban, which didn't make ANY fucking sense because the only reason people hated it was Collected Company WHICH ROTATED OUT WITH DRAGONS.

Standard could be a decent format if Wizards actually fucking paid attention to what the REAL problem cards are and had a little extra quality control to make sure they're never printed in the first place.

Instead of printing Smuggler's Copter as is, make the looting effect cost some amount of mana. Instead of banning Emrakul and killing two decks, ban Aetherworks and just kill one. AND DON'T FUCKING BAN CARDS WHEN THEIR ENABLERS ARE ALREADY GONE.

>>52548887
>First there's Smuggler's Copter, which should never have been printed in the first place.

git gud

>>52534392
>looting
Are you new? That is clearly rummaging

>>52548925
Nice try. I grabbed a set myself because of how fucking absurd Copter was and I still thought it was a cancerous pile of shit.

>>52534483
>>52534519
omgoddamn this. I was really looking forward to the black god too.
how the fuck did they sign off on that?
It doesn't hold a candle to Ereboss
At least it's female and the art may still be sexually attractive.Yeah I know she's a crocodile.

>>52534627
I care. I'm going to fap right along.

>>52548358
This seems like the kind of thing that will become fancanon. Henceforth any depiction of Hazoret in fan stuff should allude to her perverted personality.
Also
>She literally gets 'turned on' when her summoner/master goes 'hellbent' on an opponent.
>Likes egging on said summoner/master to violence, casting stones and then joining in when the fun really starts
>Afterward the god-waifu needs a hero
>He's gotta be strong
>He's gotta be fast
>He's gotta be fresh from the fight.

>>52538960
How the fuck does this benefit anybody besides "not confusing new players"?

Isn't the value of doing dumb shit in Modern and Eternal formats just way more valuable than fucking making sure new players aren't confused? New players who shouldn't even be fucking playing old formats if they're not willing to cope with some rules bullshittery?

>>52548887
It's cheaper to not test and apologize for your fuck ups than it is to test.

That's just a fact of popular products. The business can afford to dogfuck the testing process because the customers are addicted enough to tell you how to fix your problems without losing their business.

Samsung had an entire line of phones that caught fire. Realistically cheaper for them to fuck that testing process, push the product out, and perform a recall. And guess what, they're still going to sell a billion products in the future. Doesn't matter who they lost as customers, they're too big to ignore.

Same with Wizards. People will bitch and moan but they won't actually quit. See how often there are people in these threads saying, "I haven't played for X years but I'm going to get back into it."

>>52550283
>Isn't the value of doing dumb shit in Modern and Eternal formats just way more valuable than fucking making sure new players aren't confused?
Nope.

Comparatively very few people play Modern (let alone Eternal) compared to Casual or Limited. Also have you ever read all of Magics rules start to finish? Its a very complex game that could use some streamlining.

>>52550322
Any set which can be fully understood by the development team (maybe dozens of people) will instantly become stale when thousands upon thousands of magic players play it and discuss it online.

Better to have a game with occasional bannings then one which can be solved in a week.

>>52550326
>Also have you ever read all of Magics rules start to finish?
Ideally you don't have to read all the rules but be proactive in reading the rules afterwards when a confusing situation arises if a judge is not available. You improve your knowledge as you go along and don't get too mad about weirdness.

I personally don't see the CMC issue ever being a problem in Standard; not with the way they print shit. And they've never given a fuck about the Modern/Eternal formats so I fail to see why you can't just expect people to do some reading and update their knowledge every now and then. And those who don't care to learn never were going to anyways.

I understand the value of streamlining. But the game is already exceptionally streamlined and I feel like there's some room to do dumb shit especially if said dumb shit actually represents deck interactions or just entire decks themselves.

I know this isn't supposed to be representative of the community or professionals as a whole but I understand a huge portion of the rules.

>>52550374
>But the game is already exceptionally streamlined
You are a funny man.

>>52550426
How is it not? You learn the steps and phases, the mechanisms of combat, how the stack works, and perform the actions of the cards.

There are many niche outlier cases of strangeness but that's what adds diversity to the game. More often than not if you are able to play at a Limited prerelease you can handle some 95% of Magic's interactions.

Sure, the comprehensive rulebook is a hundred pages and a bit. But most of that is just thorough explanations. The game isn't fucking complicated.

>>52538155
>efficiently

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More cats.

>>52540358
And yet they are flooded with players dosh and website hits.

When will reddit/4chan learn what they want is a minority and is actively harmful to the health of the game at many points.


Post Zendikar design and the Gatewatch are shit on constantly online and those have lead to the biggest sales and biggest story hits in mtg history.
Literally record breaking growth every year.

The facts are the hyper autismo hyper nerdy card wonks should not be a priority, and when wotc realized that they were massive rewarded .

You could all disappear tommorow and the games health would barely be impacted .

You matter next to nothing and want you want is in active opposition to what most players and Thus the company wants.

Get over it or pick a new hobby. You are like black folks joining the Klan

>>52548887
Mage was banned becasue WU flash was the best deck by a mile.

People just didnt talk shit about it endless becasue mtg fans are fucking full of shit retarded