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>>52482315
I will play Devil's advocate.

Ahem.

The newest releases mean that GW cares about the gaming community again.

Model prices are very reasonable, you can't find cheaper minis. If you can, they are not up to the same standard.

GW is bringing back some specialist games.

>>52482457
>GW is bringing back some specialist games.
Bringing them back malformed beyond recognition. The latest release is to Necromunda what Dreadfleet was to Man-o-War.
The terrain is rad though.

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>>52482518
You laugh, but I hear these arguments in fvaour of GW in every age of shitmar thread.

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>>52482535
I do find it funny they haven't fucked with the perfection that is BFG.

If they wanted the last of their loyal fans to leave, they'd try and "improve" Battlefleet Gothic.

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>>52482624
Well BFG was overpriced as hell, but the game was great fun.

And by overpriced, i mean 20 bucks for a cruiser. The good thing was you did not need many ships to have a fully functional army/navy.

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>>52482783
I also think the quality was a LITTLE better on the BFG models, but not 15$ more.

>>52482783
It wasn't too bad when released, those two plastic cruisers were £8.

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>>52482800
On initial release, but they were still a lot more then other companies charged. And for pewter models, the BFG prices were off the charts insane. Running escorts for your cruisers was frustrating since a squadron of 4 destroyers might cost more then your plastic battleline.

>>52482518
>no mention of Aeldari or cucks

What have you done with the real Cheetah-Anon?!

GW is trapped in an endless spiral of fail. Models aren't selling because they're too expensive so they raise the price (which makes no sense as you should lower price to encourage sales) so people don't buy them so the prices go up so they raise the price so SERIOUSLY HOW DO THEY NOT SEE THE PROBLEM HERE

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>>52483090
That argument is from 2015. GW has turned a corner.

>>52483090
>he doesn't know about the discounted/free models and record sales/stocks due to plastic 30k bargain boxes

They did see a problem, that's why they sacked the CEO for the new guy who is turning everything around.

>>52483090
They lost me as a customer for life when they doubled the price of Dire Avengers overnight like flipping a switch.

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>>52482315
I can't really hate them right now. 8e will be a grat improvement and new players-bait, AoS is a good newbie-friendly game with neat minis and their deals like start collecting boxes are decent. As a fresh player (playing since 2014) I can't really bitch about anything.

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>>52484257
>I can't really bitch about anything.

>Ignores death of Fantasy.

Fuck you Scrub.

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They finally advance the 40k story more than in the last 10 years.
Don't do it with books, written by some great authors that the Black Library has to offer.
Rather do it in sidenotes in a campaign series, that you can't really play if you have the wrong army.
Also a campaign book costs double of a novel for much less content.

>>52484257
>8e will be a grat improvement

I've been playing since the middle of 3rd ed and there has never been any new edition which was an overall "great improvement". At best there will be more positive than negative changes, but don't for a second think that there will be a huge amount more.

>>52482417
>2015+2
>still /threading his own post

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I used to complain about GW.
Then I got a Job.
Turn out this is one of the cheapest hobby when you are an active member of the society

>>52484326
>I've been playing since the middle of 3rd ed

Which is ironic because 3E was a massive improvement to 2E. Hopefully 8E will be the next 3E.

>>52483090
??? Price have only beeen going down in the last 2 years

>>52484388
This times a million. I'm wasting money on GW bullshit because it's so much cheaper than buying anything else I want, like car upgrades for time attack and track racing.

>>52482457
Their newer releases are more and more expensive though. $30 for an individual dude in a blister is not cheaper than the rest of the market. Their games are still the worst designed on the market while being the most expensive.

>>52482315
To be fair, it's hard for me to hate them right now, what with their efforts at communication and bringing back some good stuff like GSC, and giving nice goodies for Tzeenchian forces, but...

STOP NERFING MAH NIDS, GOD DAMNIT !

>>52484388
>Cheapest hobby
>When every other miniatures game is cheaper
Whatever you say redshirt.

>>52484439
and yet on the whole still the most popular. curious isn't it?

>>52484439
>mfw morons always use HQ prices to make some kind of point

No, $30 for a shitty plastic monopose blister isn't a better deal. But $2.50 for a multi-part plastic with good detail is better than $10 for a metal monopose which is what the competitors sell.

>>52484491
>Turn out this is one of the cheapest hobby when you are an active member of the society

Reading comprehension retard. Minis' as a hobby in general.

>>52484503
And? Argumentum ad populum has never been valid.

>>52484491
He meant miniature wargaming in general, since you know, 99% of wargamers are playing GW shit. Maybe if you got over your butthurt and stayed in school to develop reading comprehension you could afford hobbies you like instead of hobbies that are "cheaper".

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Age of Sigmar

Fall of Cadia

Fuck happened to you GW? Did you throw out all your staff and hire interns from the autism clinic?

>>52484533
It is when sales are involved. You're not even using argumentum ad populum correctly.

>>52484491
>What is reading comprehension
>What is a hobby

My pedal board cost 12K €.
And thats just the pedalboard, no amp or guitar.
So yeah Wargaming as a whole is fucking plebtier shit.
Wargaming is literraly one of the cheapest hobby.

>>52484388
What about board games, jogging, fitness or caring for your goldfish?

>>52484534
That was explicitly mentioned in the context of GW though.

>>52484491
Does every other miniatures game have these 40k and AoS models that I really like? No? Well fuck off then.

Seriously this hobby isn't that expensive if you have a regular job. If you don't, what the hell are you bitching about luxury goods for?

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>>52484491
How to spot the Highschooler

>>52484550
Both things people have been calmouring for for ages. An easy entry game and moving the plot forward. And considering their sales over the past financial year, it's working.

>>52482457
Agreed, new GW is great.

>>52484491

>Waaah It's too expensive

Then don't play, find another hobby, I do not fucking understand this argument.

>When every other miniatures game is cheaper

Then go and play them ,fuck off, stop complaining

>>52484563
>Wargaming is literraly one of the cheapest hobby.

Hiking, Biking, DnD, Computer Games, etc.

Wargaming is/can be cheaper then, racing cars, flying planes, buying a good drum kit, etc.

But calling it cheap is a misnomer. And I say that as someone who makes a lot of money.

>>52484603
So he is wrong? I am glad to see that we are ina greement.

>>52484591
>both things casual-level players have been clamoring for for ages

Fixed.

>>52484550
>Age of Sigmar
>In top 5 miniature games in USA
Yeah, what a mistake

For me I quit playing GW stuff after showing up to a gamesday with my WHFB army, and being flat out told that I wasn't allowed to play the game. Smart business strategy? Sure. But it is nothing that I like putting up with.

>>52484606
A good bike is at least 12k usd.
I do mountain biking.

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>>52484594
Only if you compare them to GW at its worst. New GW is still nothing like mid 90s GW.

>>52484642
Minecraft is one of the biggest computer games worldwide.

My Little Pony and Steven Universe are hugely popular across the world.

McDonald's is a food place that has served billions of people.

Something being popular or big does not mean it's good.

>>52484575
No. You need reading comprehension aswell apparently.

>>52484606
>Computer Games

Those are more expensive, moron. Playing shitty free/$5 indie Steam games on a notebook isn't "computer gaming". Even building your own system with average specs using cheapest OEM parts costs at least $750, and that's before you buy online or DRM games.

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>>52482417

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>>52484512
>Implying
Their new models are more expensive and static than ever. The customization is nice, but they aren't well proportioned or as detailed as other offerings. Other companies like Perry do a good job at making much cheaper customizable plastic kits as well.
>B-but those don't count!
Yeah OK, whatever.

>>52484619
shut the fuck up. don't even try to claim GW or any mini game is some sort of high level tacital hobby.

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>>52482417
>GW fanboys WILL defend this

>>52484303
>Primarch on the cover
>Primarch model reused
>Eldar death God in cover
>death God model released
>Abby in cover
>giant techpriest released

Fuck you gw nobody wanted thick celestine. That's not what they meant by plastic sisters you fucking twats

>>52484701
If you're going to use a comparison, use a proper one. Perry's are historical, which are universally cheaper due to everyone and their dog making them. An apt comparison would be PP or now Fantasy Flight. Both of whom are a damn sight more expensive.

>>52484738
You would think that with Abaddon being such an important character that they would release a new plastic version. Hopefully he gets something in 8th.

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>tfw Age of Sigmar is pretty great
>Has an awesome community
>Is getting tons of support
>Really easy to find a game
>Tournament scene is also great

Feels good

>>52484388
Until you buy a house and have children

>>52484712
No, no one defends that. It's a piece of shit and everyone agrees.

>>52484765
Have that. As long as you're not a retard and know how to budget, it's perfectly fine. I fish and bike ride and can still afford this too.

>>52484695
>online drm

Real pc gamers are satisfied with doom 2

>>52484695
>No true scotsman
As >>52484807 pointed out even Doom 2 can offer a plethora of options with online play, and a boatload of mods.

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>>52484712
Yeah that's fuckin' metal at shit, a literal rain of corpses and a maze of tombs and an ocean of screaming souls, and a bridge of burning blood, literal Jew ovens too, that's all hype as fuck.

>>52484759
You would think but gw has seemed to confuse "space marines sell" with "good guys sell"

>>52484765
your mistake.

>>52484712
I don't think I've literally ever seen someone on /tg/ defend that, but I don't play AoS or go to the AoS threads. I've only ever seen AoS players whining about AoS in 40K threads bring it up as an example of how shit it is, and nobody ever disagreed.

Would make for easy bait defending it though.

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>>52484765

>Spend (about) £100 on hobby a month
>People say I'm crazy
>Same people buy multiple cups of coffee from Starbucks (and the like) a day
>Same people buy their lunch out every day
>Same people buy multiple take outs a week

I dunno...

>>52484750
So GW's figures AREN'T the cheapest on the market while still being up to standard as >>52482457 pointed out? Glad to see that we can agree on things.

Fantasyfags are still butthurt?

>>52484868
>spend 50% of my income on mortgage
>spend another 40% on compulsory living costs food, electricity, car registration etc.

>gw wants 100 dollars from me for 5 rhubic terminators

Gw still has fucked pricing in Australia.

>>52484874
Oh they're definitely expensive. But like i said, PP's models are, model for model more expensive. And Rune Wars from FF are even worse. They're 8 subpar skeletons for £22

>>52484642
>shit on man's car
>man begrudgingly uses car
>shitting on it was a good idea

>>52484949
>>52484932
Fantasy fags are always going to be butthurt. It's understandable, but still pathetic.

Australia gets fucked by everyone, don't pretend it's a GW exclusive thing.

I got fed up with them in about 1989 when White Dwarf stopped being a magazine about gaming and became a catalogue dedicated to "The Games Workshop Hobby" as they called it.

You want to look at what they did to the actual hobby, the fates of small retailers and publishers etc.

Warhammer 40K: Rogue Trader was their last worthwhile product.

>>52484932

It's exhausting desu

>Warhammer Fantasy
Sell less than paints and tools in GW for like 5 years

>Fantasy players haven't bought anything in years
>Won't buy anything

>Fantasy is retired
WHY? REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

They're still reeing to this day

>>52482315

>>52484949
I live in Northern Ireland, we use the pound and despite this, Games Workshop dont guve us the cheaper British prices, they give us the inflated Euro prices and convert it to pounds. So we end up paying extra for no fucking reason.

>>52482819
its a nebulon b but retarded

>>52484565
Board Games... my board game collection could fund ever army in the game with room to spare. And my fiancé spends a hell of a lot on jogging "equipment". Enough to match my wargaming costs.

Not sure how you think those are cheaper at all...

>>52485115

Bruh, you live in the UK.

You can order from LGS' on the mainland.

>>52484606
I hike/camp, bike, rock climb, and shoot guns for my main hobbies.

>hiking
getting a decent kit of boots, jacket, bag, and pack can easily run a one to two grand if you are a pleb consumer who buys arc'teryx and patagonia.

>climbing
even just climbing indoors with a membership costs upwards of $500-700 a year
outdoorsman? some lasportiva shoes, a mid-line blackdiamond harness, a crashpad and a couple ropes and you're out 6 bills. if you climb regularly those shoes need a resole within half a year.

>biking
lol

>firearms
do i even need to say anything?

the reason warhammer is seen as expensive is either because the player
a) has few/no other hobbies as a point of comparison
b) compulsively buys way more models than they can possibly use

Fuck, just attending comiccon this year is gonna cost me over $1100 just between airfare, ticket and lodging.

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>>52485237

>>52485226
Last time I checked, they wouldn't deliver so I had to order from Ireland.

>>52485295

The fuck, nigga you're British, how can they justify that.

Order your shit from Darksphere in future, they're corrupt as fuck and sell stuff all over the world regardless of GW policy anyway. I doubt they'll even know they can't ship to NI (if they really have an embargo just like Europe which I can't believe)

>>52485237
and by the way, i'm not saying that the price for what amounts to plastic models isn't stupid. but it's hardly an outlier compared to other hobbies, especially ones where maintenance/wear and tear are involved, or anything with a membership.

at least ten years down the line, barring freak accidents or intentional abuse, your space marines will still look like space marines.

>>52485329
They justify it by shipping apparently. Yeah, GW are that retarded. I mean its not a lot, like a £35 set in England might only be £38 here but it quickly adds up.

>>52485237
im a hopeless electronics nerd.

thing is its mostly really cheap, and so too can this hobby.

buy lots on ebay for cheap mang.

yous gotta be a jew about it.

When Trump negotiates a trade deal with the UK and slaps tariffs on Chinese imports, I am going to be so happy when GW's profits shoot up while Privateer Press and its ilk crash and burn.

>>52483314
>>52484399

I've been admittedly out of the loop for a while.

>>52484563
>Well apples may be expensive, but oranges are even pricier!

>>52483314
They really haven't, though their marketing team got smarter.

>>52485237
>>biking
>lol
What's the board to ask about bikes? /trv/ ?

>>52486995
/n/
but I don't go there to talk bikes so I have no idea the quality of the conversation

>>52487044
I'll see for myself. I'm in need of urban folder, something affordable on second world budget that isn't Ukrajina-brand

>>52484606
>Computer Games

If you're serious about it a good computer for games is more than $1000USD then a good internet connection is about $100/month? Maybe less, even if you get 10 games a year for half their price then you'd be spending around $300 per year just for games, so all that is around $2500 for the first year and depending on how obsolete your computer is in the next 5 years you may have to spend another $500 to update your shit so its tip top.

A good Warhammer army is going to last decades for around $500USD or a $1000USD depending on how much FW shit you want to buy.

Also if you're serious about biking then the cheapest shit is around $2000USD and thats not counting parts for fixing and the good shit is easily around 5k-10kUSD.

Warhams is not exactly cheap but its easy one of the cheapest hobbies.

>>52485166
You need way less money to buy a board game and have fun than buy even a smaller army and play with someone who has hopefully also an army.
Just because YOU have so many board games doesn't mean it is generally more expensive.

>>52487175
>Implying you don't need the internet to live these days

>>52487302
yeah but you don't need a 20 megabyte connection to shitpost on 4chan

>>52485042
And here you are 28 years later, still talking about it.

>>52484825
>No true scotsman
>implying you can't find a wargame cheaper than whatever shitty PC setup you have that can't even run modern games

>>52485836
>Trump following through on anything

>>52487469
Hello CNN.

>>52485836
US supporting UK import will go stronger than US domestic production. Of all the things not happening this one is not happening the most.

>>52486928
This, they have actual marketing but their stuff is still overpriced, the units aren't as bad but the character models are ridiculous, the forgeworld magos is cheaper than the plastic one for example.

Compared to say warlord games(which seems to be going down the GW route) Gw is expensive, it never does any real deals.

>>52484825
Sure would love if you hypocrites pointed out you don't need 10x GW HQs to play a wargame when you try to compare a generic Infinity trooper to a GW character model.

>>52487469
t. CNN

>>52487534
>implying the US produces minis

>>52488391
>thinking miniatures are what drives a country's economy

You need to think of the bigger picture, idiot. Miniatures and HOBBY SUPPLIES

>>52484712

Fucking hell, that's awful.

Is this from the realm of shit 'art'?

>>52488391

They have Ral Partha which is pretty venerable.

>>52488475
people buy GW hobby supplies? Shits way overpriced

>>52484491
Seriously, if the poor fags got out this game who be soo much better.
The cheapest people who play always seem to be the ones who never paint or base their models either. Funny that.

>>52482315
>be me going into the big smoke
>find GW store is still where it used to be
>not played since 40k 3rd Ed/WFB 4th Ed
>Store now called "Warhammer"
>Not a metal figure to be seen in the entire store
>plastic minis more expensive than could possibly conceive imaginable
>listen to the shop faggot explain plastic is more detailed therefore justifiably more expensive
>walk out and vow never go back
I knew GW stood for Goyim Workshop but holy fuck have they just dialed up the jewness to 11 since I was last interested in them.

>>52488594

The paint costs as much as your first set of miniatures if you have no idea what you're doing.

>>52488594
I don't base, never got around to it. I have to paint plenty of dudes still

>>52484949
> 50% of monthly income on mortgage
Anon you done fucked up.

>>52488648
If you want a job in Canada or Ausland you have to live in a city, and our cities are very expensive for housing. 50% on housing is not uncommon at all.

>>52488686
Give me some numbers anon.
I just signed for my first home in Burger land (townhouse in one of the fastest growing cities) and my mortgage is only going to be like 35%. That's not counting the wife's income. And the area is nice as well (good schools, shops, bars). And I am on government salary.

>>52488648
Some of us don't live in bumfuck nowhere. It costs a million dollars for any house that isn't a fucking shack in my city. And a literal fucking dilapidated shack sold for $550,000, a record low for the city.

A two-story, single family home is enough to buy a mansion in other states.

>>52488728
>burgerland
>literal entire cities for sale
>burgerfolk have any idea about how much it costs to live in a desirable country

>>52488728
https://www.zillow.com/san-francisco-ca/home-values/

>>52488781
>Australia
>talking shit about any other country

Place is literally worse than a third world country because at least in third world shitholes, the problems are humans. E.g. you can solve them with anti-human measures. Australia has dinner plate sized spiders crawling out of your toilet and car door and venomous snakes all over your front yard.

>>52488802
t. drop bear survivor

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>>52488781
>>52488802

>>52488760
What city anon!

>>52488784
> San Francisco
Christ it can't be worth that much to live in that fucking city.
Or even cali for that matter.

>>52488886
Any of the overrated cities like New York, San Francisco, Los Angeles, Chicago, Honolulu

I'm sure other countries have their equivalent too. Zurich, Venice, anywhere in the tropics or Switzerland.

>>52488781
And you live... where again anon?

>>52488906
It isn't, that's why everyone's selling their shit and leaving for cheaper and less retarded areas. Gentrification and rampant liberalism cannot happen if people don't make room for it. How those rich tech people gonna buy houses if nobody's selling? You don't see Texas becoming a burgeoning liberal state, because none of the rednecks will leave or allow entry.

>>52488919
I live in one of the following: http://www.marketwatch.com/story/the-10-most-livable-cities-in-the-world-2016-08-18
Note how there is not a single burgerland city listed

>>52489071
If you actually looked at how they're judging the cities, it's retarded and obviously favors countries with specific government policies. It also doesn't factor in population or remoteness.

>>52489071
And yet people still choose to both live AND vacation elsewhere. I'm glad you found something arbitrary that you could be proud of for being born in a random city that isn't as famous or good as others.

>>52489133
>>52489148
t. Butthurt Burgerstinians

>not living in a rural area close to the land and amongst the volk
>bragging about living in a multicultural, soulless, metropolis

>>52489265
This, cities fucking suck, go suburb or rural, stay away from cities, overpriced, crime ridden, shitholes

>>52489241
>looks up shit like "how livable is my city"

Nigger if your city was worth anything you wouldn't need to look up shit because you'd know it. Good job visiting an American board (that was so popular the original Jap whose concept got ripped wanted to buy it) using an American invention.

>>52488802
Wanna know a secret? the spiders and snakes thing is way blown out of proportion, we keep the lie going because it makes us look tough.
90% of Australians have never even seen a snake, a small handful of people die from snake bites, like 1 or 2 annually, infact you're more likely to be killed by a horse statistically and they're not exactly unique to Australia.
I'd rather walk around the bush than stumble across a bear in an american forrest.

>>52489501
see >>52489241

>>52489537
Wait to you run into a dropbear cunt, you'll be saying different.

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>GW hate threat turns into a US vs AU dick measuring contest
I dont want to sound like a queer or nothin, but just how shit is GW these days?

>>52489537
>pffft look at this nigger manlet bear with his ugly black fur and pathetic stature
>OH GOD WHY

>>52489628
>AUfags shitting up a thread

Color me surprised. Daily reminder that moot was right about Australians being 99% of the shitposters ruining 4chan.

>>52489628

If GW are directly behind the creation of the USA and Australia, then they really are the most evil cunts to have ever existed.

>>52489628
Theyve been better recently
>expecting Australians not to shitpost

>>52489683
Sadly Canadians are replacing them. Half the wit and twice the snark.

GW has actually gotten better from the 2011ish days

>Embrace social media at last
>Advancing the 40k story without doing a setting-ruining endtimes
>Stopped this collectors edition-only limited time novel BS
>Return of expansion/side games
>Custodes, Sisters of Silence, Mechanicum all get their armies at last
>Plastic HH minis
>Stop persecuting FLGS' as badly
>Open a parody blog that shows they don't take themselves so seriously anymore

Age of Sigmar is shit tho and WHFB forever. Also prices still too high

>>52489855
All they really need to do now is reverse their FLGS policies

>>52489855
>prices keep rising with less minis per box
>still no plastic Sisters revamp

>>52488933
You clearly know nothing about Texas.

>>52489902
I know! Want to live in a city in Texas? Prices are the highest in the midwest. Affordable suburbs? Better plan on a 90 minute commute each way!

And whenever you see how Texas votes, the cities are decidedly liberal. Only the retards in bumfuck counties vote red.

>>52488686
>he lives in toronto
LOL

>>52488686
Don't forget, the government in Canada or Australia doesn't subsidize home owenership like they do in the states.

We can't write off the interest on our home loans on our taxes. So another barrier to home ownership.

Anyway, 50% of net income seems about right for a lot of new home owners.

>>52489995
Fucking leafs, shitposting even on /tg/

>>52489293
You've never been to Canada. You either live in one of ten real cities and have a good job, or you live in one of the twenty resource cities and work a crappy job in the resource industry or supporting said industry. If you are not in one of those cities (where housing tends to be expensive) then you are living in a shit village as a farmer or supporting farmers.

No business wants to open or hire employees unless you are in a city.

And forget about living rural. Our roads are either gravel, or only link real cities. When they aren't covered in snow.

Basically, unless you can telecommute, you are fucked and have to live in one of the ten cities.

>>52490056
It must suck to be American during the downfall of their Empire. Didn't even last a century.

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>Redshits in this thread actively derailing it to deflect just how shit their overlords still continue to be.

>>52490241
A

>>52490398
More like whiny manbabbies can't even keep their shit together for a simple whinefest, which is why they can't afford toys.

>>52490398

I didn't get the memo that they'd merged /tg/ and /pol/.

>>52490642
>not seeing the large banner across the top of every page
armerican education system, ladies and gents.

>>52490683
>can't even find his shift key
>talks shit about others

>>52490705

No-capsfags are really the worst. Is there even a single post on this board with zero capitalization/punctuation that wasn't a shitpost or was of any value? I highly doubt it. A person of that immense ineptitude/laziness yet who would find the effort to waste time on 4chan can only be a complete shitter.

>>52490705
>implying you can insert a > without using shift
lets not mention the lack of capitalisation in your own post
>>52490722
>not looking for a reach-around from >>52490705
nigga plz

>>52490241
Stop infighting. We are living through the collapse of ALL white societies you idiot. Sneering at each other at whose country is most fucked up helps nothing. We are all headed in the same trajectory.

>>52490911
Well, America is failing.

Every other country is doing fine in our multicultural way, especially as the racists like you die out.

>>52490982
Nice try, Schlomo.

>>52484642
WordPress and PHP power 1/3 of the websites on the internet.

PHP is a foul covenant of sin with Satan to plague and bedevil mankind. No soul can rest peaceful until the dark plague of PHP is finally cleansed and purged from this land forever. PHP is like sticking a condom on your rod and then sucking off Satan's syphilitic cock.

>>52484395
3rd edition had things wrong with it which were improved in later editions.

One was universal special rules. There doesn't need to be a uniquely named rule on every weapon and unit entry to describe commonly repeated concepts like Armorbane or Move Through Cover, replacing that practice with universal terms for what they mean that can all be found in the core rules was a dramatic improvement that did a lot to reduce the amount of explaining rules to each other that players needed to do.

Another one was the re-introduction of profiles for melee weapons. Melee weapons not having profiles in 3rd was dumb and a mistake that I'm glad was rectified.

Pretty much anything else is kind of whatever. Flyers are superheavy vehicles are really more additions than improvements to the core mechanics of the game. While psychic powers were barely relevant in 3rd the current psychic power system is retarded in a multitude of ways. The current army building system is a total clusterfuck.

Basically 3rd edition with USRs, Melee weapon profiles, the M stat and save modifiers would be the perfect game to me.

>>52488594
They're not "cheap." They're tournament players that burn through armies to obtain the ideal one to win with. They don't paint anything because there's no guarantee they'll keep it. Ever wonder where all the cheap armies on ebay come from? YES. IT'S THAT GUY!

>>52487466
So one not made by GW? I would actually follow your advice then, as GW can't make a decent game to save their life.

>>52484551
When did anybody bring up sales? The post you responded to just talked about how

>Their games are still the worst designed
>while being the most expensive.
What have sales figures got to do with anything? You could have good sales while still having terrible and overpriced games, that's called good marketing.

Killing WHFB was a absolutely retarded move. It was a fantastic setting.

But man I have more fun playing AoS than playing WHFB in a long time. Wish they would have kept the old world setting, not really a fan of the over the top high ultra mega kamen rider fantasy.

>>52484642
>it's popular therefore it's worthwhile
What an utterly mercenary way of looking at the world.

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With that cancerous faggot no longer working for GW, does that mean improvements to the game, or will just another spurg champion take up where he left off?

>>52484695
>Playing shitty free/$5 indie Steam games on a notebook isn't "computer gaming"
That's just like, your opinion man. Also when you factor in retro gaming you're going to have to dismiss a hell of a lot of games with this sweeping statement, there's a hell of a lot of amazing and very influential games that you can get now for less then $10 that will run on a netbook.

>Even building your own system with average specs using cheapest OEM parts costs at least $750
And how much does it cost to put together a decent 40k army? I once ran the numbers on a fairly small iron warriors army and it went into the thousands (Australian prices admittedly). Seems like the same basic principle to me: huge up front investment that gives you lots of use overall. You have to buy games on top of that sure but they can be very cheap while providing a lot of value especially if you go for older stuff. You can get Fallout New Vegas with DLC for like $20 now and I've gotten ~400 hours out of that.

>and that's before you buy online or DRM games.
Can you explain what this part means? What's wrong with buying online? Do you not realize steam is the DRM for most games now so you don't have to deal with any of that other shit 99% of the time (and steam works flawlessly in my experience)?

>>52491488
>Killing WHFB was a absolutely retarded move. It was a fantastic setting.

Then what would have been your solution anon? Release 9th edition (?), because 8th was a complete failure. TK players loved it though (for obvious reasons).

I can't think of anything other than a complete reset, and I don't even like the AoS fluff.

>>52482315
Literally all their tools suck. You can buy stuff just as good for like one 4th the price.

>>52491601
>Seems like the same basic principle to me: huge up front investment that gives you lots of use overall.

When I started out people had no problems playing smaller points games with me. I had 2 Trop and 1 HQ choice and had fun with it. From there I bought (and painted) it unit by unit. Granted, Codex, figures, undercoat, colours and brush were a bigger investment, but nothing above 200€.

>>52491633
>for like one 4th
On planet earth, we call that a quarter.

>>52484706
>don't even try to claim GW or any mini game is some sort of high level tacital hobby.

>Wargaming in general owes its origins to military simulations, most famously to the Prussian staff training system Kriegsspiel.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miniature_wargaming#Rulesets

>miniature wargaming literally began as a way of training Prussian officers in tactics

Everyone point and laugh

>>52484831
The names seem a little lacking though, it's like they just used the first thing they could think up.

>So we need another bridge to connect these two lands what sort of bridge should it be?
>How's about a . . . . burning . . . blood . . . bridge?
>Yeah that doesn't really make any sense but whatever we're working to a deadline any idea for a name?
>Burning blood bridge?
>*kills self*

>>52491683
>>Wargaming in general owes its origins to military simulations, most famously to the Prussian staff training system Kriegsspiel.

Yes, and that's what anon is trying to tell you. 40K is no comparison. That goes double for AoS, which isn't even a wargame. It's a tabletop miniatures game where (if you're any good) you and your opponent actually teleport in to see who gets the 2ups, rend, mortal wounds before the other guy.

>>52491683
>Wargaming in general owes its origins to military simulations, most famously to the Prussian staff training system Kriegsspiel.

Oh look, genetic fallacy.

>>52487469
Holy shit I was just about to post that, he's like the white Obama.

>>52491683
>miniature wargaming literally began as a way of training Prussian officers in tactics

Military wargaming is tactical, miniature wargaming is from HG Wells "Little Soldiers" which isnt very tactical despite being made with Kriegspiel in mind and neither are many miniature wargames.

>>52489754
>Canadians
Oh god they're like Americans but worse somehow, it defies reason.

>>52489855
>Advancing the 40k story without doing a setting-ruining endtimes
>Eldar and Ultramarines best friends forever!
pick one

>>52490982
>reads this post
>considers europe
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA are you fucking serious? It's almost as if you think America is a protectorate of the EU and not the other way around, like they wear the pants in that relationship. If America is going down then so will all it's vassal states, bye bye wonderful progressive utopia shame you couldn't exist without the vast American military-industrial complex protecting you and subsidizing the costs of your social programs.

>>52491666
Well that sort of parallels with how you can spend more or less on your computer depending on how much power you want, maybe you won't be able to run quite everything but you'll still be able to run most things, at least at low settings if it's more recent. Also $200 is a pretty good price limit for getting an individual computer part, they don't typically go beyond that for the more basic stuff and there's nothing saying you have to buy all your computer parts at once. There's a lot of parallels.

>>52492055
Murkel says she don't owe Trump shit. Based EU keeps Russia from invading Alaska.

>>52491759
>>52491779
>>52491823
>don't even try to claim GW or any mini game is some sort of high level tacital hobby.
>or any mini game
Try to read the posts before you respond to them.

>>52492223
Did you know that the German military today is actually smaller then the one they were allowed to have under the treaty of Versailles?

>>52484706

Of course it's not going to be as tactical as something like chess or Starcraft but people who say 40k is "tactic-less" and "shallow" are the ones who don't even know how to play it to the fullest either by forcing rules to interact in ingenius ways, like getting into combat from much further than even your maximum charge and move length combined, or singling out enemy models without precision strikes.

If you aren't clever or tactical enough to "exploit" the rules like this, you can't claim something is depthless. It's like button mashing a fighting game or not knowing how to wave dash in Smash Brothers yet still talking shit about how skill-less the games are.

Came for the gw thread
Got the US vs Australia vs Canada real estate thread

>>52492347

Multi-cultural real estate investing website.

>>52486601
>comprehension

>>52482783

I thought BFG was 2 cruisers for $20?

>>52484563
What the fuck kind of monster setup are you running dude. I just plug a cheap BOSS Distortion and maybe a Dunlop wah wah pedal. Rather spend the money to buy a better amp or a Les Paul Studio.

>>52484670
40k is 1st though

so if your argument is "being the best miniature game is bad" that's a fallacy in itself

I'm sorry we don't wax poetic about your indie home brew RPG rogue trader / murder mystery skirmish 6mm scale game

>>52485014
But with most other products you can just buy shit from a UK reseller and pay a fair price + postage, GW went out of their way cut foreign supply to the Australian market for the explicit purpose of regional price discrimination.

>>52484670
>Steven Universe are hugely popular across the world.

I've never noticed.

>>52487268
I mean, as soon as you buy more than about 6 board games you could have bought a warhammer army

>>52492954
>to the Australian market

They cut foreign supply to ALL markets you fucking whining manbaby cunt. You think embargoes and arbitrary increased prices are exclusive to AU and NZ? JP actually had the worst conversion ratios for GW products at one point in time.

>>52492984
Okay thanks for conceding the point, GW is shit.

>>52491581
Well, Cruddace is still there, so yeah.

>>52493001
>conceding the point

I don't even know or care what the point was, that was my first post in this thread.

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>>52482315
Shut the fuck up nerd.

>>52493110
Not been keeping up with GW autists, whats this shitbag responsible for?

>>52484606
Honestly an army for a good wargame is cheaper than a good pair of running shoes.

Unless you like playing basketball in the ghetto wargaming is one the cheapest hobbies out there. One of the most time-consuming as well.

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Have you accepted our lord and savior Spartan Games into your heart yet?

>343 industries bows to Spartan Games
>in contact with the spirit of HG wells
>rumoured to possess psychic abilities
>control the biz with an iron fist
>own sweatshops and metalworks all over the world
>direct descendants of Bungie
>will bankroll the first cities on Epsilon Eridani (Spartangrad will be be the first city)
>Controls the Covenant leadership
>keeps the 10mm scale systems down
>keeps the halos off the maps
>keeps the covenant under wraps
>holds back the electric car
>keeps Matt Ward a star
>own basically every DNA editing research facility on Earth
>first designer babies will be Spartan Babies
>Whole dev team said to have combined IQ of 200
>ancient british scriptures tell of angels who will descend upon the Earth and will bring an era of enlightenment and unprecedented technological progress with them
>These are the staff of Spartan Games
>They own brass casting labs around the world
>You likely have their minis inside your closet
>Spartan Games are in regular communication with the Archangels Gary and Rob, forwarding the word of God to Wizards
>They learned fluent French in under a week
>Forge World entrust their brass reserves with Spartan Games.
>The studio is 6 years old, from the space-time reference point of the base human (2011)
>In reality, they are timeless beings existing in all points of time and space from the big bang to the end of the universe
>Spartan Games will guide the hobby into a new age of wisdom, balance and love

>>52494518
There's trolling and then there's wasting half an hour of your life typing out this stupidity.

>>52494518
I think i will take the spartan pill

>>52484977
It's how many you need to play, though. 1850 of space marines is more than 300 points of infinity.

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>>52495287
>It's how many you need

No, it's not. I've never met an opponent who built a netlist and never bought another model. Modeling is the main reason I buy Citadels, and playing is a bonus -and I doubt I'm alone in this. So model price is the ONLY factor affecting my buying habits. The non-sequitur that fewer models cost less is as irrelevant as Infappity's arbitrary points system.

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>>52484762
Same here. I was thinking about starting a small 40k army with 8e but my inner self wants me to stick with tested and decent AoS rather than spending money on next game

>>52482457

Can I have a specialist game with ranked up models in mass battles?

It's still fun how nerds keep defending that big mess GW is.

Cant really complain about GW anymore

They have bundles that are great deals

You can have miniatures for fucking cheap if you buy online from certain places

Their quality has improved a lot (on 40k)

>>52484565
Actually caring for your fish properly is pretty expensive. A decent size tank and cabinet is about £250. High startup, but not too much maintainance.

>>52482624
>If they wanted the last of their loyal fans to leave, they'd try and "improve" Battlefleet Gothic.

Forgeworld is remaking BFG as Battlefleet Heresy. Naturally it's set in the HH so no xenos allowed.

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>>52482315

Hey there! My name's Andy, welcome to Games Workshop, are you interested in Warhammer?

>Yeah I mean, I had like a beginner's kit when i was ju-

Thats great, let me just put a latest edition Codex aside for you

>Oh... ok.

There are tons of really cool armies you can collect, were you thinking of playing Fantasy or 40K?

>Well the Dark Eldar really caught my attention after some pict-

OH, Dark Eldar? They are just super bad right? Let me just put these aside for you, *adds Path of the Renegade, Path of the Incubus, Path of the Archon, Path of the Dark Eldar, The Masque of Vyle, to basket*

>Uhh, ok I really wasn't looking to spend much today I was actually just here to brows-

Hey thats really cool man, have a look at these, did you know there are 30 armies you can collect in 40K? I'd really recommend starting with some Kabalite Warriors, does that sound good?

>Well yeah actually that does sound pretty good I mean its not such a huge commitm-

Alrighty then lets just put this to one side *adds Voidraven Bomber, some Razorwing Jetfighters and Reavers*

>Hey what's that?

Oh im just moving some things around, anyway, you'll definitely need paints with that

>Yeah, what would you recommend?

Lets see here, we have *adds every paint in the fucking shop including inks, primers, cans, washes, base paints, etc, also the overpriced heap of shit Games Workshop modelling tools*

Alrighty sir will you be paying by cash or card?

>*Leaves shop never to return again, goes online, buys what he needs there*

>>52496356
Things that didn't happen - the post

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>>52494518
>Finally get some Halo miniatures
>15mm scale

>>52484576

You can use your AoS models in KoW.

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>>52496356
>>52496533
Having worked in sales in the past, I can say with 100% confidence that some redshirt faggot with poor sales figures tried this at least once. Presuming the customer will accept whatever your pitching and adjusting your language and actions to match ("so you're buying X, is that cash or card?") is Sales 101, which I fucking despise, but apparently it works on dumbasses so you only need to land one whale this way to comfortably bump your sales figures.

>no matter that it pisses off a bunch of other customers and closes off potential sales there, you made a BIG SALE!

>>52492465
>I have no argument yet I must shill

>>52492937
Being the most popular doesn't mean that it is the best.

>>52482315
THEIR current Lore writters are fan fic tier numales.
Phil Kelly it's the only "decent one" but he aint being played on his strenghts, instead he looks tired as fuck.

All these gathering storm books where like he-man and masters of the universe. total trash.

>>52484303
yeah, also get some fucking competent GOOD in house writters. Their talent left with Pete Haines and Andy chambers. Instead we have nu males and edgelords writting bullshit.

>>52482315
I don't play warhammer and I have to say I take great delight in these threads

rock on suckers

Remember when Games Workshop used to be good?

Yeah, me neither.

>>52484712
Fuck you, I work in the mortuary factory.
One hour lunch break and some awesome buffet, I say.

>>52482457
Is there more of that art?