mtg Lore Thread/Fanwallker General: This Again Edition

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Please don't. You'll summon Vronak.

>>52479376
I'm taking that risk; I actually enjoyed these threads before all that nonsense.
There were some interesting characters made.

>>52479353
How about no.

Why aren't there like thousands of walkers in every world ending event? Like Tarkir being re-written, the Eldrazi taking over two whole Planes.... Phyrexia.... things like this.
Why do they only introduce like one new walker?>

>>52480851
Cuz the odds of having a spark is very limited (can't remember the percentage) and the odds of having your spark ignited is also very limited.

One in a million iirc.

>>52481401
But there have been multiple walkers from one plane before; like on Tarkir. Narset and Sarkhan are of similar age I think. Same thing on Innistrad with Tibalt and the werewolf walker.

And that number is just in what I'd call low population planes.

>>52481852
There are only as many planeswalkers as the plot demands.

You're trying to apply logic to the flavor text of a children's card game.

But some walkers don't interact with the plot. Rade never interacted with Jace to my knowledge.

was Kaladesh that boring people don't have any new walkers to make?

>>52483434
>undead
>planeswalker

>>52483458

Isn't one of the more important planeswalkers a vampire? and another a robot? I don't see why an undead can't be one.

>>52483581
Innistrad/Zendikar Vampires never actually die, and Karn had a spark given to him through exceptional circumstances.

>>52483581
Vampires on Innistrad aren't undead. Undead and constructs can't normally have sparks, they need to be given one by another being with a spark. Karn's spark is donated, he couldn't normally be a walker.

>>52483601
>>52483622
And, as a note, his original spark wasn't JUST donated - he was fused with Urza and the rest of the Legacy (which included the powerstone that included Glacian's spark as well.) His second was given to him by Venser, yes - but we don't know if him having one previously is what enabled that to even happen in the first place or not due to his being a construct.
And every time someone makes a snowflake that is an exception to the rules for no good reason, it just leads to more people doing the same, because 'look at the ones already there, one more won't be too bad'. Then you end up with legions of unnamed premending walkers sacrificing themselves for random people for poorly defined reasons.

>>52481852

Narset and Sarkhan are a bit of a weird case. Sarkhan is from original timeline Tarkir which doesn't exist anymore except in Sarkhan's memory, and Sarkhan doesn't exist in new Tarkir. We also don't know if Narset had a Spark in original Tarkir. So it's a bit of a weird situation.

Dominaria though, Planeswalkers are like mushroom after the rain, tons of them.

I also have been guessing since Amonkhet was revealed that it was created by Bolas to be a place that forces people with Sparks to ignite, which still seems to be the case.

>>52480851
I imagine it like this, and I know it's not the canon, but all that goes on in the MTG storyline is the "local cluster" so to speak. The multiverse is infinite, but all the planes we've been too so far are "close" to each other and so we see planeswalkers from the same planes show up a lot.

>>52483458
There is a reason why this used to be called Snowflake General. Expect the impossible.

>>52484351
That's because being a planeswalker, IN AND OF ITSELF, is a special snowflake thing (lorewise).
The fact that so many people went BEYOND that - or didn't even care, with undead/created/nonsapient walkers who Just Sparked Because - is BEYOND that. And THEN they had extra stuff ON TOP of that.
That's not a snowflake. That's well past snowflake
It's another word that begins with an S.

>>52484530
Stupendous

>>52484530
And then it was the cock

>>52483727
I think that both versions of Narset had the potential to become planeswalkers; just that Old Tarkir's Narset never got to awaken that power because she got involved with Sarkhan's feud with the orc and then got re-written.

>>52485043
or the Sliver swarm
Or Gaia and crew.

This shit's coming back?

Huh. Maybe I'll get to writing again.

>>52485462
New characters are preferable to old ones.
Make one from Kaladesh or Amonkhet, or from any other plane. Just make it new.

>>52485766
Who are you to tell them what to do?

>tfw made a joke flake some time ago
>tfw deleted the pic because I thought these threads would never come back

JUST FUCK MY SHIT UP SENPAI

>>52484530
Sue, Mary?

>>52487535
There we go.

>>52487776
All walkers are sues in some way or another. Just look at Jace or Nissa

>>52487808
...Jace is a perpetual fuckup and even being the Guildpact is less 'cool powers' and more 'horrible responsibility nobody should be saddled with'
Nissa...Nissa is a plot device rather than a character.

>>52487978
In fairness, the flavor text makes Jace seem like an edgy faggot. It's only when you read the stories that you go "Wow, this dude's a loser."

>>52488005
Some day we will actually meet Flavor Text Jace. And he will say snarky comments to Actual Jace.

>>52487978
>>52488005
Relax, he's just some chucklefuck who thinks "Mary Sue" means "any character I don't like"

>>52488035
No I meant that Jace has like the cliche amnesia story and Nissa is the last of her kind, magic wise. She's the only elf that can talk to entire Planes.

>>52488190
Thing is that he doesn't dwell on it and all of it has been self inflicted except the real early stuff and has been used to protect himself.

>>52488005
Didn't Jace meet a duplicate of himself and was unnerved by how smug he was?

>>52488558
Honestly that was pretty funny.

I have a question; what colors would bard-style magic be? Like I'm trying to make character and I'm just not sure what colors to make them.

>>52488822
Artistic expression is generally red.

>>52488847
But I'm not going for artsy.
More like this person can channel magic through their voice. They sort of mimic the helpful nature of bard magic, bolstering their allies. Maybe momentarily take control of enemy monsters... Might eventually dip into Black mana for the -1s.

>>52479353
Anyone still have the template for OC planes?

>>52489312
People make up their own planes?

>>52489425
We play Magic. We're a bunch of autistic nerds. Of course we do.

>>52479376
Vronak?

>>52488923
That's red dude.

>>52483168
I'd argue that anyone who would have had their sparked ignited would have had it done sooner in the revolution, and at the climax of it.
It would be weird from a story stand point to say, "As Chandra bitch slapped some weak ass guard off a high rise his spark ignited, and the dude swooshed on out of this place to somewhere else." It would probably just frustrate readers at the massive loose end to the plot of who hell is Bitch Guard is and when he'll be relevant to the lore, if ever.

Oh man I haven't seen these in forever. I guess I'll remake some of my old OCs and see if I actually want to do something with them.

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Turns out I had a curator phase for a while and have a bunch of OC documentation on my google drive back from when this first started out.
Anyone want links to this /tg/ brand OC?

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>>52489312
I found a filled one.

>>52479709
I feel like Ish is going for a complete 32 at this point the way she talks about them.

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>>52489312

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>>52488822
>>52488923
Green is confirmed for the color of storytelling and bards.

>>52493639
Bards really feel RG to me. The passion of music, and the honor of the ancestors.
I guess Temur would also fit, but the U feels a little pushed.

>>52493814
Green first, red second, blue at a distant push.

Green's focus on history and community fits the original intention of bards as storytellers and bearers of oral history. They only start becoming red the more modern you get, with the focus being on art and how appealing the music is and the emotions it inspires. And you only get blue if you want to view spreading history as spreading knowledge.

I'd say it's safe to say that bards should be G first. RG's plausible for them though.

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>>52493502
Still proud that my 'joke' description was that she was 'remarkably well balanced'.

Anyway, is this happening? Should I write something?

>>52493905
I think G first and R second is best, and really anything can fit board line. I don't think U fits it any better then W or B sense U has no use for honoring the past, only knowing it.
G honors the past because the past and the present are the same for it. And tradition.
R does it out of love and glory.

>>52493485

It's a shame I never got to writing much for Izari. I enjoyed daydreaming stories with her.

>>52493909
If a new one does start, I'll do what I always do and make the collage for it. I'm hoping it doesn't though. The return of unmentionables is inevitable.

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>>52494334
You're saying you'll work on something you hate? That seems... I mean what, are you doing penance for your sins?

>>52494353
Hate's the wrong word. I enjoy the creative exercise. What I dislike is when it turns into a circlejerk or when it becomes dominated by unsavory elements, which is when I usually stop doing updates. And it's always a little sad when I do stop.

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>>52479353
>This is a completely new thread so new walkers please
It's 2:30 in the morning and I'm too tired to write a new character so I'm posting my one from last time and there's nothing you can do about it!

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>>52494391

Fine. One last hurrah.

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>>52494389
That makes it sound slightly less flagellating. I suppose the way to see it in that case is that the bad is the price to pay for the good.

>>52494391
Quick read makes this p. reasonable. It's a small thing, but I'd recommend you maybe find some white cards for preferred spells. As-is, a quick glance raises questions about the white identity. (It's only towards the tail end with the Selesnya in the bio wherein it makes sense.)

Also, small detail - the first word of the bio is mispelt. Tobais. But yeah, p. good. It'd be nice to explore his personality more, how he applies his pacifism, for example.

>>52494404
I'd comment, but, well, with the best will in the world, this is old hat now. Even so, nice to see these things again. Weird to feel nostalgia for something within the last year, but there it is.

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I got bored and decided to try, and ended up nostalgia tripping a bit.

>>52495172
Consider a more readable font.

>>52493814
>>52493905
I was thinking that most forms of bardic-style magic would be Green, and then how the performer utilizes it would change the secondary colors. Like this >>52488923
would be some combination of WBUG.

>>52489822
You sweet summer child.

How much Etherium would prevent you from becoming a Planeswalker?
Or would that not matter?

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>>52495683
Zombies are considered animated corpses, which means they have died. Typically, undead creatures like these are incapable of possessing sparks.

The Scornful Aether-Lich is a creature entirely converted into etherium and counts as a zombie. This leads me to believe that full etherium conversion is effectively undeath, which wouldn't allow an aether-lich to hold a spark.

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>>52495756
But with Etherium production now possible on Esper there could be more people like this punk.
Has he replaced too much of himself with metal that he will never have his spark ignite?

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>>52495818
Is he a zombie?

If not, no.

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>>52493485
>>52493502
>only posting the second snowstorm
Silly. One dead snowstorm is just as dead as the other.

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>>52495359
Better?

>>52496494
Much better

>>52496494
Better.

I'd still keep the old copy, just for aesthetic purposes. It suits the Rebecca Guay look down to the ground.

>>52498704
It's better that the thread dies naturally than says alive through bumps.

This kind of thread is driven by OC. If there's no OC, it shouldn't exist. Either let people make OC or let it die.

>>52498730
Different guy. The question in my mind is whether or not this is going to be a "thing" again. As in is this the start of a new snowstorm, or is one person going to post a flake and that's it?

>>52499636
If it gains traction (which it looks like it isn't) it won't. It does, it will be the new snowstorm.

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Rate my rat

>>52500121
2015/10

>>52500121
Incomplete/10

Honestly the backstory seems a lot more Rakdos than Boros.

>>52493507
Thanks man

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I have an idea for an Amonkhet walker.
I'm going to have to wait to see what the lore is of the plane and the role of gods.
My idea is that in ages past a Blue mage was testing out various types of wizardry and came across different types of cloning magic.
Ends up making a pact with either a God or Demon... Something strong and whenever he died his spirit would seek out a clone and meld his spirit to theirs.
Essentially it's like a really strong Avatar of this guy who has lived for a long time and managed to become familiar with every color.
One of the clones became a planeswalker trying to fight off the possession, cut off from Amonkhet and the Pact allowed him to become the dominant personality.

I feel like there is some potential to develop further and come up with an interesting character but I figure I would float the idea around here see what other's have to say.

>>52500121
I thought that the Kami were peaceful now?
And I am not really seeing the Black in this character's nature, other than the fact that they are a rat folk and that's what color they were on Kamigawa.

>>52504378
It isn't common knowledge that the Kamigawa block took place millennia ago.

>>52504231
>that picture
AWAKEN MY MASTERS

>>52504540
Funnily enough that picture was inspiration; I was going to come up with my own Egyptian themed plane a while back but forgot about it.
Got some cool pictures though.

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>>52504231
Going bump this to see if anyone has an opinion.

>>52505458
Fill out the template and post it, and we'll either tell you it's good or insult you with image macros.

>>52505668
If I did I'd have to hope this thread survives long enough for all the Amonkhet lore to be released.
This is just a speculative idea until then.

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We postin' flakes or what?

>>52504231
One thing about a clone having the spark of a planeswalker is the issue of a clone being created. It's not born, it's fabricated and fabricated creatures are incapable of holding sparks.

Candidates for ignition of a spark are naturally born living creatures that haven't been killed or experienced the identity death of compleation.

One way of making this work - and perhaps a reason for the host to care enough to fight against the possession - is to instead have the immortal wizard instead breed a dynasty and select his host from the strongest, fittest and most intelligent of the heirs that he has bred.

Additionally, the ambition of immortality is a thoroughly black thing, made even blacker by the fact that he does it through the parasitic method of possession. At the very least, he's black-blue and even that requires some emphasis on a thirst for knowledge.

Final point I have to make on the matter is that the only instances of any mage being so experienced that they transcended their color boundaries are Ugin and Urza - and even then, Ugin abandoned conventional magic and Urza still didn't dabble in the nature magic of Green.

>tl;dr
There's a lot of moving parts in this concept and you're going to have to be very careful to pull it off without disrupting established lore somehow.

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Oy vey, this shitshow again.

>>52506360
Two things: why does a shaman have a golem and how did the druid "give" this guy a spark?

>>52511278
Sparks can be given away (OR at least they COULD).
The REAL thing I wonder is if kaladesh even HAS treeple

>>52511310
I know that, I mean literally HOW. With Glissa and Slobad for example it was because Memnarch had become a machine specifically designed to transfer a spark.

>>52511437

Actually, mems basically intended to pull a FMA and turned Mirrodin into a spark machine.

>>52511437
>>52511278
People tend to take Karn as evidence that planeswalkers can transfer sparks to anything. Previous snowflakes have sparks being transferred to angels, skeletons, myr, Phyrexians, non-sapient dogs and even bacteria.

oh, neat
i guess i'll have to dig up my old MTG RPG character when i get home, he was pretty fun to play.
think i've even still got the card i made for him.

>>52511678
I think Karn's a special snowflake case in that he was given a spark pre-mending and could be given a spark once more post-mending

>>52508013
Is there a difference between being all colors and being colorless like Ugin (who is kind of confusing)?
That's kind of what I wanted to go for, this spirit/avatar thing is about all the colors. Like some of the other creatures I've seen.

But I will definitely keep the rest of this in mind. And I will admit that the first wizard who was testing out this branch of magic was Blue/Black.

>>52513335
There's two types of colorless, being colorless like Ugin and being colorless like Karn
>Ugin
Beyond all the colors, basically mastering them all so well that your magic is raw aether, the very building blocks of magic itself
>Karn
Devoid of all colors, lacking any truly defining trait of any of them that you are mechanical, like a machine.
>Domain/Multicolor
You're a special fucking snowflake, aincha?

>>52513335
Ugin somehow transcended the mundane schools of magic in a way that we don't really get. It's strange, confusing and we still don't really understand how or why it happened, just that he's the master of all nonconventional magic - including the Eldrazi.

Urza gets all of his colors from being an extremely complex, conflicted individual with a long history and a lot of mastery over magic and the Multiverse in general. It's something that took a hell of a lot of effort. Remember, colors are not only used to represent the type of magic used but personality traits as well. Someone that has all five colors active needs to balance the traits of all five colors almost equally.

I'd really advise making a more mundane flake first, before jumping into five-color madness.

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So I was re-reading some KTK stories, mainly "Khanfall" and "Unbroken and Unbowed" (if you haven't read them, you should), even thought you can agree or disagree on how the plane ended, it was a neat story overall. Looking back at it I would say it was a fun block lorewise.

Now, I think you know where this is going; I enjoyed the story much more because of the characters and the setting. You see, you have the Khans, the Dragonlords, Ugin, Sarkhan, Narset, etc. All different, with clear motivations, yeah sure, maybe one dimensional, but they were different, and I found myself enjoying this story because it wasn't about the same fucking crew.

One of the big aspects of MTG is the setting, the countless planes and what have you, the other main aspect are the characters and how they interact with said setting. Now, I'm not against following the same fuckers every block, but for writting's sake, give them an arc! Add one more color to their personality, or better, CHANGE THE CHARACTERS FOR ONCE.

One thing was seeing Jace's face everywhere as the promotional poster boy, I could live with that, but this Avengers type of group is getting really boring and tiresome. Amokhet looks amazing! But there they are... again!

Remember Theros (the story, not the cards) and how everyone was shocked because Elspeth died? Remember all those months and years speculating if she will live again, will she be good or bad? Remember New Phyrexia and Koth? How Karn was going to exile some Phyrexian butts? And what do we have now? We know for a fact the Jacetice League will win every single time. Cthulhu beings eating reality? Fuck them, let them channel ALL THE MANA OF THE PLANE to roast them. Emrakul is in hidding? Oh, nevermind, she's at the next corner.

I could go on for hours ranting on this crap. I'm tired anons. The worst thing is no matter how hard we yell at WotC's creative team, the Avengers formula is money for them, if anything they will double down on it.

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>>52511999
found all muh stuff, and made a sheet for him.
was a pretty fun character overall, even if we only did an adventure into innistrad.
i imagine he'd have quite a bit of fun in somewhere like kaladesh.

i guess he technically doesn't have the razortip whip anymore, it got exiled after he pinged some asshole demon with it like ten times.
the voltaic key is pretty interesting though, that was a gift to him from a wealthy vampire during the game. i'll definitely add that to his deck if i ever play again.

>>52513823
They're gonna get their asses kicked in Amonkhet. Mesoamerican plane will star Ajani in his escapades in warmongering and Gatewatch recruiting

>>52513823
Even the most ridiculous snowflake is fine because the Jacetice League is so fucking bad.

>>52513982
No. Don't say that. You're inviting Vronak back in.

>>52513982
Hold up
Vronak

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>>52514002
>>52514003
HAHA
I knew I had this saved somewhere.

>>52513928
I wish you were right.

>>52513468 >>52513751
Well my flake isn't five colors.
He's going to be Blue, maybe some other colors depending on the backstory I develop and the lore released.
The Avatar thing that possessed him was all five colors, like some of the other's that I've seen.

>>52514022
>blacksmith's apprentice who got bonked on the head and disappeared
>now spends his time as a card carrying villain, attacking small villages and promising revenge towards some old dude
kek, reads like a fucking parody

as a newfag, what was so bad about this guy?
was he just an overall cancerous person

>>52514169
>like some of the others that I've seen.
What others? You keep being vague.

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>>52514186
It is a parody.

This one's the original version.

I'll post his 'card lists' in a moment.

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>>52514201

>>52513823
Wasn't Emrakul only around the corner because of all the things that happened on Innistrad?
Without Sorin sealing Nahiri away and then Liliana breaking her out.... Emrakul could have gone anywhere else.

>>52514190
Fusion Elemental, Chromanticorn, Scion of the Ur-Dragon
5 colored creatures.

>>52514201
>>52514221
oh.
OH.
well, fuck.

>>52514290
Fusion Elemental is a result of the Conflux, which is a dramatic magical event in which all magic bled into each other.
Chromanticore can similarly be explained, as it is a manticore, a fusion of many things. It's also a fusion of all forms of magic, probably formed from the dreams of men as most things of Nyx are.
Finally, Scion of the Ur-Dragon is a Time Spiral thing and Time Spiral isn't especially reliable as reference or precedent.

Five-color is a very, very special thing and shouldn't be thrown around wildly. It's usually intended to imply an extremely powerful creature that's beyond mundane definitions of magic or a mage with mastery of all forms of magic.

>>52514345
Yeah, I made Vronak the Slayer to parody Vronak while making a somewhat grounded character
Then the fucker decided "Hey, Vronak and Vronak could hang out and do things together". The same Vronak who tried to serenade Serena Anon by having his character serenade her character WHILE INNISTRAD WAS BURNING TO THE GROUND, the same Vronak who tried to justify a character who used purple mana by saying "Oh, Wizards THOUGHT of doing it, so it's canon", the same piece of shit Vronak who made an entire fucking story where his OC killed Vraska, swooned Liliana, and basically cucked Jace. Or something like that, I don't know, it was a whole year ago.
tl;dr he's a whiny, parasitic douchenozzle and a shining example of what you DON'T do when making a flake.

>>52514366
Hm I see.
I may have to scrap my walker idea completely as being possessed by a spooky/powerful Avatar thing was what caused their spark to awaken.

>>52514529
If you think you can write it properly, do it. If you don't believe you can, you can always change the idea.

Why does the avatar specifically have to be all five colors? What about it means that it *has* to be all five colors? What about this avatar makes it white or green or red?

>>52514529
Why don't you start from scratch. Find some character art and build it up from there. It helped me with my flakes.

>>52493485
What does the icon to the right of the colors mean?

>>52514512
>basically cucked Jace
This part I can agree with.

>>52514602
Plane of origin
Cracked egg means it's a joke flake, planechase symbol means unknown or non-canon plane

>>52514602
It's the set symbol of the plane that they come from.

For example, in the top row:
>Balbus comes from Innistrad, has the Innistrad set symbol.
>Ninki comes from Zendikar, has the Zendikar set symbol.
>Harla comes from Kaladesh, has the Origins set symbol (before Kaladesh came out)
>etc

So should somebody be adding this round of flakes to an image for the next storm?

>>52514714
I'll do it when there's a few more. I feel no need to start when we only have four new ones in this thread.

>>52514555
It was all colors partly because of the nebulous pact the Avatar made originally with whatever God would fit, that allowed it to replace the clone's will with it's own.
The clones/copy are their own person until then and are able to be any color, when the melding of wills happened the Avatar gained their color.

And because I thought it would make the spirit odd if it was all colors instead of just Black. Mono-colored to me seemed that it would be limited to being just another ghost, specter or whatever.

>>52514626
>>52514674
Thanks!

>>52514782
No, mono-color can be extremely powerful, often more powerful than multi-color creatures.

Avacyn was mono-white but was capable of destroying any threat on Innistrad, until she was tricked into Helvaulting herself and then was driven mad by Nahiri's cryptoliths.

Mono-color is not boring, mono-color is not weak. The number of colors a creature has is absolutely not connected to its power level, the only thing it is connected to is complexity.

>>52514881
A thousand times this. Never EVER mistake more colors for more power. If anything, less colors are more powerful due to them being more streamlined and efficient. If you have a monored spellcaster and an izzet spellcaster, most of the time the monored caster will be able to sling more burn spells than the red/blue spellcaster because they need to worry about only one type of magic. Of course though, the izzet caster will have more tricks up their sleeve, so don't immediately throw multicolor aside.

>>52514881 >>52514990
Alright then.
I am glad I threw out this idea to see what other more knowledgeable people thought about it.
If I'm having this much trouble with just the background thing responsible for my Walker's spark igniting.... I don't want to see what would have happened if I had kept it to myself.

I'm going to tinker around, see if I can't get my possessed walker to work still.

>>52515241
Oh, a possessed walker can totally work, just not in domain. Remember that "mind control" spells are mostly in Grixis, emphasis on blue for permanent and red for temporary

>>52515357
>>52515241
A mono-black or UB body-snatcher is probably the best way to go, someone who either earned a blessing from Bontu, the God of Ambition, or who stole the necessary knowledge from whoever the blue god is.

Although I'd say wait until Amonkhet comes out before you go ahead with it. Death's an important part of their culture and we don't know how it would react to someone that is able to evade death yet.

>>52515357
Thank you for your advice.

>>52515490
Would dying again and again really count as avoiding death?

>>52514512
What was Purple Mana?

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>>52515906

>>52515938
Post the stupid-ass color wheel too.

>>52515938
I regret ever asking

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>>52516019
Found it myself

>>52516221
Those are some hideous colors.

Are all planeswalkers from Kaladesh sues automatically? Magic is rare in the plane and only an extremely small amount of people have a chance of becoming wizards. Dovin and Chandra have some magical skills. Maybe even Saheeli (or is her magic just sculpting things from bismuth?)

>>52516582
All planeswalkers have inherent magical abilities. Every planeswalker is a mage of some sort. So yes, Saheeli is a mage as well.

But there are also non-planeswalker mages on Kaladesh, they're just a minority that are/were discriminated against. So it doesn't make you that much of a special snowflake.

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>>52516221
>that pink
reminds me
>print off some cards on paper for shit proxies, since can't be arsed to buy them and wait three days for shit i'm only testing
>turns out printer is running out of ink
>results basically look like pic related, but more washed out
>bring them anyway, playing with friends
>while setting up, show them and ask if anybody has any pink lands i can borrow
>keks all around
i might still have those lying around somewhere

>>52516582
just how much magic do you need for artificing anyway

>>52516945
Kaladesh artifice uses the substance of aether rather than having to rely on the use of magic.

So, Kaladesh artificers require no magic at all. They're normal people who make fancy stuff that they power with aether, which is materialized magic.

Which planes artifice looks better; Kaladesh, Phyrexia or Esper?

>>52517253
Kaladesh
Phyrexia is gross and Esper is anorexic

>>52517285
Esper is minimalist

>>52517607
You call >>52495818 minimalist?

>>52517654
It was. He is like the one exception.

>>52517285
Phyrexia is pretty. All except Green Phyrexia

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>>52517741
This isn't minimalist.

The closest thing to minimalist in MtG is the myr.

>>52517919
Look at all them empty gaps and spaces between the metal

>>52515906
>>52515938

Purple mana was a notion Wizards toyed with for an extra bit of weird in Time Spiral and only Time Spiral but quickly realized was a stupid idea and no design space existed for it that blue didn't do already.

Vronak's interpretation of purple mana was "black mana only way more powerful."

>>52517919
It's blatantly obvious that Kaladesh just recycled Esper's aesthetic and doubled down on intricate swirly filigree artifacts.

>>52519745
Artificers on Kaladesh also have an abundant amount of material to work with and a never ending supply of energy. They're extremely lucky.

>>52514201
>>52514221
>>52514512
Don't forget the whole 'summoning from the ground' bullshit. And the general attitude that his personal vintage decks were 100% lore compatible and a good basis for the characters he'd continually shit out. And then deny he made, despite it being obvious they were his.

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Challenge:
Make a snowflake built around this combo.

>>52521788
Jobel the bug dude
B/G human
Jobel likes bugs
he uses bugs to make people dead

>>52522470
hermity druid type, I'm guessing?
Planeswalks mostly to find Neat Bugs, and tries to introduce them to his home because A) Neat Bugs, B) giddoff mah lawn, but that's reeeeaaal tricky, what with the whole 'no taking critters with ya' rules. But eggs! Eggs are objects, right? So you can take BUG EGGS with you! But then ya gotta get the bugs to lay the eggs and not bite yer face off
He really liked Zendikar until those weird tentacley things started eating all the bugs. It had nice bugs. He's got a scute mob back home, y'see.

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>>52514512
>The same Vronak who tried to serenade Serena Anon
I actually tried to contain his autism myself for a while, I had him on skype and he barely posted on the thread for a few weeks. It's not doable though, he's too needy and cringy to the point me and the anon that wrote all the porn were tagging out, taking turns writing with him so that we could share the pain.(while also laughing occasionally)

He never noticed. Eventually I just stopped replying to him and he inflicted himself on the threads again. I am sorry, I wasn't strong enough.

>>52521788
I am very sad Nest of Scarabs doesn't look like that one scene from the Mummy.

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>Amonkhet snakepeople are nagas
>Not the ugly nagas like in Tarkir, either
my penis guides me

>>52524596
Kamigawa has best Nagas anyways.

>>52525381
Go back to Akihabara.

>>52525381
>Legs
>Gross face
nah

>>52525442
>four arms
>boobs
Best snake people.

>>52525737
yeah, but
>Legs

>>52483622
Rewrite the story so that Marau was the one that finally cracked how to steal sparks. Would definitely be a canon-worthy foe at that point.

What ever happened to Chandere? Did they ever get a ban?

>>52496001
Holy shit, the original snowstorm. I miss those days.
four of these fucks were mine, and holy shit were they cringe worthy

>>52526509
She must have an hero'd after Nahiri built a wall and made Sorin pay for it

>>52493485

Ah, good times.

Kinda regret that I never really did anything with Dyna or Astera, but the last 'storm was fun while it lasted.

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>>52526575
Which four?

>>52526631
One can only hope.

>>52526643
you sound like a scua faglord

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I made a couple of flakes last time, but I won't be participating. If I had the energy, I'd rather write actual fanfiction of Worm.

>>52529981
What even is scua?

Is R/B and R/G the most.... annoyingly edgy color combos in creation?
I'm having a hard time pointing out the positives of either.

>>52483458
>>52483581
The lore team has already said that liches can probably be planeswalkers, since theor souls and bodies are still mostly tied together. Didn't read the flake yet, just putting my chandge down

>>52533446
R/B is the combo of creativity. Red's freedom and expression with black's independence and desire for self-improvement. R/G usually ends up as "generic savage", but I made a flake last blizzard that was R/G because he was a paranoid fuck about society.
Still trying to figure out a replacement for Belloski atm. He was such a great addition last time

>>52533446
>Black and Red
Both care a great deal about freedom. Red cares about physical freedom - it doesn't like being enslaved or imprisoned or restrained. Anything that keeps red from doing what it wants right now is bad. Black cares about philosophical freedom; freedom from destiny and freedom from morality. Anything that keeps black from making its own decisions and forging its own path is bad.

Look to Gurren Lagann as an example of black and red done right (although it's ultimately overshadowed by white). It's a story all about overcoming all obstacles no matter the cost, not allowing yourself to be restrained and tearing down every barrier that keeps you from what you want. It sounds selfish, but Gurren Lagann puts it in a positive light. Try to emulate that.

>Red and Green
Typically, red and green focus on the connection between impulse and instinct. It's the most reactive color combination there is. You present green and red with a threat and it overreacts, utterly crushing it. In addition, consider what each color cares about. Red cares about freedom and action, about being able to do what it wants. Green cares about tradition and history, about keeping things the way they are meant to be. Combine them and you have: "I want to preserve the way things are and protect my rights and liberties."

As a result, red and green are the colors of modern conservative thinking. Look at it negatively and the result is an uneducated redneck stuck in their ways, raging against a changing, improving world that's leaving him behind. Look at it positively and the result is a stalwart guardian, standing against the manipulative forces that seek to undermine the traditions that his nation/tribe/clan was built upon and infringe on the rights of his people. In the end though, they both fight against change.

>>52508172
Fuck it, does anyone have the full art for Belloski? I lost it and all the archives are nissing images

>>52533768
I disagree, Red/Blue is the color of creativity.

>>52534044
Scientific creativity. R/B is artistic creativity

>>52534058
R is artistic creativity, U is scientific creativity. Together, they make general creativity and merge art and science to make beauty. UR is the color combination of imagination without limits.

This isn't to say that BR isn't creative. It certainly can be and it probably is much better at self-expression than UR. A UR art piece might be beautiful in a brilliant, elaborately designed way but RB art piece speaks to the soul and displays the raw emotions and desires of the artist.

>>52534155
BR is a portrait of a woman, UR is a vibrant painting of the sky

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Not completely happy with this, but worth an airing, nonetheless.

>>52536476
At least I got my Planeswalker origin story down

>>52535673
Merchants, politicians and law-makers generally go with the creature type of 'Advisor,' which might suit her more than wizard. After all, even though she has wizardly training, she is described as a 'poor student.'

I feel quite good about it. It's well written and it makes a fair deal of sense. If I had to really nitpick, I'd say that the character's more mono-black than Dimir. She doesn't express any specifically blue personality traits, such as a thirst for knowledge and a search for perfection.

She strikes me as ambitious, selfish and pragmatic. She needs a little bit of curiosity or rational thought to go with that in order to justify the blue, some sort of goal beyond self-interest. It's not uncommon for blue to have some sort of over-arching goal or project that it dedicates most of its brainpower to, if that helps.

Finally, a little blurb which might also help:
>Blue and Black: In Black, Blue sees rationality and straightforwardness. Black doesn't imagine the world as being different than it is. It accepts the disgusting truths without wasting (too many) resources denying them, or angrily breaking stuff in accepting them. Rather, Black gets right on determining what to make of the situation. Blue also shares with Black the view of self-determination. Both colors affirm, as a matter beyond all dissuasion, that one forges one's own life. An alliance of Blue and Black comes from a mutual usefulness, where the lack of trust bothers neither color the slightest.
>Black and Blue: In Blue, Black sees a color that doesn't shy away from how ugly the world is. Blue's quest for omniscience coincides perfectly with Black's desire for omnipotence, leading to a color pair who wants absolute knowledge and absolute power. Blue/Black also are extremely pragmatical and subverts the status quo in its quest for unlimited power and knowledge, which puts them at odds with their common enemy, Green, who wants to preserve it and drives by instinct.

>>52534155
What is Red-White then?

>>52538762
Are we still talking about art?

If so, red and white creates art that is inspired by the group that the artist belongs to and used for the purpose of inspiring zeal and fervor within that group.

So, red and white art is probably more likely to be songs. Songs for marching, songs for camps, songs for lifting hearts after defeats and songs for celebrating the victories of old. Red and white is the passion of red devoted to bolstering the unity of white; it's always the means of red serving the purpose of white. You almost never find an instance of red and white where it's the means of white serving the purpose of red.

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>>52529981

That's absurd, anon.

There are no scuas on the internet. You know that.

>>52539072
>You almost never find an instance of red and white where it's the means of white serving the purpose of red.
False. The community and togetherness of white helps to spread the fervor and rage of red. One angry peasant can incite the rage of another angry peasant, and another, and another, until you have an angry mob of peasants.

>>52539327
That's generally depicted as mono-red a lot of the time. White and red is generally shown to be militant and devoted to unity while relying on destructive magic to enforce the order it's dedicated to.

I'd like to see a white and red group that does the opposite. A red purpose, such as seeking freedom and pursuing passion, promoted by white means, such as healing magic, binding magic and buffing magic.

>>52538762
>>52539072
Red-White also communicates togetherness against a common threat. Think WW2 era war time propaganda. Especially the racist stuff about saving "beautiful ally china against the dirty conniving Japs."
Or you know, all those "communism is bad" posters.

>>52539678
>What is Town Gossipmonger

>>52540103
Something white that becomes something red.

>>52539678
CNN?

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A start.

>>52542016
>All multicolored
WOOOOOW

>>52542392
The start of a snowstorm is always like that. You need to coax people into making simpler, slightly more balanced snowflakes.

Then after a little while of making decent flakes, they start going overboard and making domain flakes, nephilim flakes, colorless flakes, etc.

>>52542392
Concept took me to a set of spells which happened to be in that set of colors.

>>52527177
Darnil, Grazik, Rey and Velvet

>>52542392

I keep trying to think of how to make a good monoblack flake, but even reading over articles Wizards has published, it seems sort of accepted that you need to be a greedy dickbag to be monoblack, everything else is just what you can manage to stick behind the "He's a sack of dicks BUT" disclaimer.

>>52540168
White means, red goals.
Exactly. See also: Broken Avacyn

>>52542741
Self-serving good guys are possible.

You don't need to go full edge, you just need to make it quite clear that the guy's main motivator is his own personal benefit.

>>52542392
built it for a mtg rpg so it was advantageous to be multicoloured, iirc
that said i might end up changing itai to monoblue because he isn't very white, and to be honest his only major white traits back in the rpg were being a major team player, enabling us to 'trade' artifacts in combat and shitting out token constructs, none of which are ultimately all that white or exclusively white anyway.
i also need to figure out what kind of shit he'll be up to now, too.

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Here's another of my older flakes since my current WIP flake is gonna take a while to finish
As you can see, I got lazy with the cards

Anyone ever make a card for their flake?

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>>52545680
Fuck yeah dude

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Well, guess I'm back. I'll post an older flake that never got any development while I work on a new one.

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>>52545720
Also a colorshifted Belloski

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>>52537179
You are right about monoblack. Blue is more 'where she is going' versus black being 'where she started'. Which means right now, she's a lot more black than blue. Re-reading it I might even be able to call it an ok mono-black flake, which would be a happy accident.

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>>52545680

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Alright, here he is. This guy has half the lore of a plane wrapped up in his bio, so I'm not sure whether you can really get a grasp of his character. He comes off as your basic asshole pirate(and he kinda is), but he really really loves flying shenanigans, as indicated by his cards.

>>52546353
>RGU Pirate with a wind theme
Shit that's similar to an idea for a plane I came up with

>>52546385
It's an idea I've been throwing around for a while. I haven't worked out all the details of the plane, but i have like 1/4 of a set based around it, so, you know, that sorta counts, right?

holy shit, is this actually starting up proper again?

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>>52479353
Hey. This is happening, maybe?

Anyhow, this is Remes/Cala/Jakrol/Winifred/Wyston/Mysel-Anon. If any of you lot want to use my old flakes, that's up to you guys, but I'm not re-posting them myself. They're fair game for whatever shenanigans you guys want to use them for.

>>52547689
>>52547768
IT'S HABBENING MOTHAFUCKAAAS
no Vronaks/Chanderes allowed though

>Want to do a snowflake
>Can't find any good art for the character I have in mind

>>52548299
what kind of art you need?

>>52547821
no Arakises either

>>52545680
Not everyone does it, but it has happened fairly often. It's also a good way to demonstrate a shift in character without having to re-do the whole sheet.

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>>52545680
I made two. And yes, I am aware there are wording errors, can't be bothered to remake them atm.

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>>52549684

>>52545728
>seeking greatness
>his masterpiece
Just a little bit black, while not really focusing on the philosophy and ethos of the Simic Combine. But I can forgive that, even the canonical Simic characters tend to be maniacal researchers first and foremost.
>>52546353
He shows curiosity and interest in learning, he's impulsive and reckless and he even shows interest in the traditions and studies them. Red and blue are down pat, but the connection to green is maybe a little shaky. Consider putting in a blurb or two about him following tradition even on other planes? But otherwise, that's actually one of the better three-color flakes I've seen.

Where do you guys get your art from? Is there a good site for it, or are you getting it all from google?

>>52551226
DeviantArt, Tumblr, /tg/booru, etc. Everyone has their own sources.

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>>52551226
personally i got most of mine from /tg/ character art threads and various boorus (mostly safebooru, early on), and some stuff from DA
accumulated pic related over like three years, apparently.

>>52548798
Got something for Phyrexia or Kaladesh?

>>52552223
Phyrexians can't be planeswalkers because the spark keeps out the corrupting oil stuff

>>52552263
I know that.
I just can't remember what the plane was called before the corruption.

>>52552373
Which one, new or original?

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First attempt at a snowflake, is it any good?
Considering making a card for it too.

>>52552618
I think New
It was called Mirrodin before the Phyrexianizing

>>52552881
And before that it was known as Argentum. The plane has a long history.

>>52548798

Male Blacksmith, preferably reasonably bearded and not bald.

Gids is a furry

I just want my pure planeswalker knight fu back WOTC pls

>>52517253
Dominaria ya cunt

>>52553907
Gideon is gonna pound that pussy with his indestrictible dick

>>52553907
>What do you want?
>>A cat is fine too.

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>>52553008

>>52553907
I dunno the pervert doesn't seem to like him.

>>52552639
having legendaries in your selection is fairly frowned upon, but other than that it seems like a pretty fun flake.
>>52552223
expand a little more
what race, class, and if applicable, sex, do you want for the art?

>>52552639
You've got a planeswalker that never visited Mirrodin/New Phyrexia being able to summon Vorinclex?

If you want to keep the hunger theme, swap him out for Sage of Ancient Lore, which transforms into Werewolf of Ancient Hunter.

Otherwise, nice and simple with a cute theme. I like.

>>52542016
I'd amend Tsukiyo's description, as it mentions her attempted assassination twice. Moonfolk also had samurai, I think it was specifically building her martial and magical techniques around Swerve that pissed people off.

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>>52556246
Here's a small fix for you.

Keep in mind, I limit myself to thirty to forty words for each flake. I can't put in a huge amount of detail about the sort of magic she uses. It usually boils down to:
>Ten words about the origin of the flake.
>Ten words about how they ignited.
>Ten words about what they do now.

>>52556404
I dunno, mostly what caught my eye reading it was that punching stuff isn't rare enough to the soratami to warrant assassination.

Maybe "redirection magic" instead of just "unusual magic"? Same number of words while being more descriptive of why she'd be "at odds" with a spellcaster-heavy race.

>>52556491
I had enough space on that line to put it in without causing much of a fuss, so it's done.

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>>52555923
>>52556159
Fair enough, honestly, I just checked gatherer for any cards that had hunger/hungry in, I've swapped Vorinclex for Sage now, should be k.

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Trying to make a Sliver Planeswalker that would fit their flavor. Left what it's up to simple so that if some writefags want to use it as a plot device, they can.

>>52558790
>Sliver planeswalker
When will people end this meme

>>52558790
http://dougbeyermtg.tumblr.com/post/55059480984/can-a-sliver-have-a-spark-and-would-other-slivers

According to Doug Beyer, this is maybe possible, but generally not a good idea. Either way, you'd have some things wrong with your lore, I think.

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Man, it's been soo long since I've reminded you all

>>52558875
Thank you plagueanon

>>52558875
reminded me of what?

>>52558935
All flakes are equally shit

>>52558865
My train of thought is that this Sliver simply wants to do what they do naturally: Join with other slivers. The one story back in m15 shows that Slivers in a hive on shandalar are basically brainwashed into serving the hive and protecting it. This one would be no different.

>>52558935
The Plaguelord is a tradition from the last storm. Visits the thread to remind us that all flakes are objectively bad, and that they are equally so.

The real point is that none of us should feel like it's okay to get up on our high horses about how "good" our content is, but rather to just enjoy what we're doing.

>>52559049
>>52559004
oh, ok.

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New Flake, just as terrible as all the rest.

>>52547768
A cautionary tale from this same person here, who lived through a storm and saw its life extend past its moratorium until it became a shell of itself:

If there are no writefags, this will eventually dry up.

>>52560624
It's meant to dry up.

When all ideas have been sufficiently explored, snowstorms should die.

>>52560548
>Serena
>Is basically Murdock
haah
waaw

>>52560674
It's just best to get that out in the open now, before it repeats itself. It's also a warning that just starting a thread and posting flakes doesn't make a snowstorm live.

>>52560829
... Who is Murdock? What reference did I unknowingly make?

>>52560936
In the last storm, there was an angel flake called Serena, who was influenced by some less scrupulous flakes, like Murdock.

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>>52560548
>>52560829
>>52560936
>>52560974

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>>52560997

>>52560997
>>52560974
Oh.

I'd feel worse if I'd somehow tripped a reference to an actually property unawares.

>>52561078
No, no, no. Just making some flakestorm references.

>>52555923
Human, Male, Black Mage and spooky artificer.

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Ayyy, it's okay man, in the multiverse there's bound to be people with the same name.

It is a funny coincidence though.

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A WIP for now, but might as well post it
Yeah, I know I'm reusing old art, but how much art of manlet dragon jews is there? Not a whole lot.

Would it be alright if we did updated versions of old flakes?
Also, how long has it been since Spooooky moon in lore?

>>52561829
Can't be more than a few months, AER seemed fairly quick.

>>52561829
4-6 months between EMN and KAL, and that block was like a few weeks at most, shit happened fast there.

>>52561862
So like 7 months isn't too generous since I think they were hiding for two weeks and the transition of power didn't happen over night.

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It's something.

>>52561994
Sweet. Anyone interested in doing a small writefag thing with these?

>>52561994
>A dozen flakes
>Only one mono-colored

That's not too promising. Good on you for putting together a sheet, though.

>>52562040
I'm cooking up a monored character rn, but I don't have art for him yet

>>52562040
I put in a request for art for a mono-colored walker.
Just waiting on e delivery.

>>52562230
Shit, so did I. Which one is yours?

So I'm gonna try and write a story with my flake from the second storm. It's gonna be stupid...

>>52562486
Do it, faggot.

>>52562486
No worry, you're among friends on that one.

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>>52545680
I have now.

>>52562537
You sure?

it's litterally an attempt to fluff a modern masters draft.

>>52562561
I'm of the opinion that any writefagging is good writefagging as long as you're trying to do something with it. If it's just for fun, that's fine. Whatever it is, a lack of confidence is pointless; you only get better by doing it.

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>>52545680
>>52546353
Yes. It's probably pretty unbalanced but eh, I never claimed to be a good card designer.

4 color flakes?
yeah?
nah?

>>52562635
4 color is difficult to do properly. The color traits tend to get muddled up. Go for it if you think you can, but I wouldn't recommend it unless you have a strong vision for the character and exactly how they embody each of their colors' characteristic traits.

>>52562635
See the bottom of >>52493485 and >>52493502.

Nephilim flakes exist but it's almost impossible to write them well. Instead of being defined by their four colors, they're defined by the one color that they lack.

So, my personal advice is please don't even try, it's just going to result in questions of "why is this flake not just three colors or even just two?"

>>52562635
>>52562649
4-color's style is actually named and considered by Wizards already. Instead of looking at each colors' characteristics, you define it by which color is missing. Which is a bad way to design.

>WUBR: Artifice
>UBRG: Chaos
>WBRG: Aggression
>WURG: Altruism
>WUBG: Growth

https://magic.wizards.com/en/articles/archive/making-magic/absence-2013-05-13

"The major problem is that it's nearly impossible to design four-color cards that actually feel like four-color cards. Why? Because there are just too many colors fighting for attention to get a feel. The biggest thing about four-color cards is the missing color, but you can't design about what's missing, as that's the only thing the card isn't allowed to have, color-pie-wise. I do think there is a way to design four-color cards, but it requires some context (such as two guilds working together, interestingly enough)."

>>52562649
I think I'll just go three color and say f u to explaining the white part of the breya deck.

>>52562290
The spooky artificer/Black mage >>52561309

>>52562777
Ah. No, I made my request in the drawthread.

Okay so before I do that Modern Masters story, I'm gonna wrap up part 3 of his ignition story. Will likely be finishing it tonight.

>>52562813
Well I am hoping for the best and I'd love to see what you've come up with next thread.

Is there anything special I need to know about Tazri's odd ability?

>>52563202
General Tazri?
If you get conspiracy and name allies, she can fetch Eldrazi for
DEEPEST LORE

>>52563256
>DEEPEST LORE
So it is an unnatural ability and one that.... She wouldn't have developed on her own?

>>52563094
You new guys want me to post parts one and two?

>>52563202
Wait, what?

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>>52563307
The second ability where she boosts things.

>>52563202
>>52563394
Not really. Mostly it's there so that she can be a 5-color commander for Ally tribal commander decks. The boost itself isn't all that exciting.

>>52563394
Lore-wise it's because she helps lead Zendikar to defeat the Eldrazi, thus the bonus damage among allies for each color they have

>>52559049
But there are some that are especially dumb.
All snowflakes are shit, yes, but while most turds are just turds, some turds are rank, runny diarrhea

>>52566260
I hope you weren't trying to bump the thread like a hero just now. We hit the bump limit a while ago and have just been burning a slow death.