Total War Warhammer 2

>>52464421
why are they making a sequel instead of an expansion?

didn't anyone learn from fucking blood bowl where every expansion made a brand new game you had to pay full price for that this kills your playerbase?

>>52464485
Same amount of content as the original game.
It basically is an expansion that is also standalone, since
>Shortly after launch, owners of both the original game and Total War™ WARHAMMER II will gain access to the colossal new combined campaign. Merging the landmasses of The Old World plus Naggaroth, Lustria, Ulthuan and the Southlands into a single epic map, players may embark on monumental campaigns as any owned Race from both titles.
From the steam page.

>>52464533
That sounds like it will be hell on my comp.

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>>52464582
They've been working on engine improvements.
This is the old engine with 25000 instances running in 13.5ms

>>52464533
Ah, good, I was worried for a bit there. I couldn't really see how they could expand upon the new world when all races aside from small warbands and explorers were already represented.

I wonder if you'll be able to walk from the old world to the new through the chaos wastes.

So, does this just leave the Tomb Kings and Ogre Kingdoms?

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>>52464627
Updated engine running 125000 (5x the number) instances in 9.5ms

>>52464629

And Chaos Demons.

Those are the last 3 of the 15 that had officially supported armies at the end of WHFB.

Still could put in Chaos Dwarfs, though. Or maybe something like Kislev or make a Dogs of War army. Those 3 have had army books in past editions.

>>52464629
>>52464668
There's going to be a third game. The far east and south will probably be added with Daemons, Ogres and Tomb Kings in that one. And, dare we hope, Chaos Dorfs.

>>52464629
And Daemons, but if the rumours are true they'll be saved for the third game.

From the steam page:
"Merging the landmasses of The Old World plus Naggaroth, Lustria, Ulthuan and the Southlands into a single epic map" The map is going to end up freaking huge, also if they're including the southlands I imagine that tomb kings will be included as a DLC race for this one, possibly released when the do impliment the single combined map.

>>52464698
Maybe even Cathay? I'd love that, because it's talked about multiple times but it's never had models or been statted.

>>52464698

They've confirmed that both Xpacs will drop with 4 races.
> Empire, Orcs, Vampires, Dwarfs
> DLC Chaos, Beasts, Brets, Wood Elves
> High Elves, Dark Elves, Lizards, Skaven
> Ogres, Tomb Kings, Daemons and Chaos Dwarfs

It's gonna be Dark Crusade all over again and it feels so fucking great.

>>52464719
I wouldn't get my hopes up.

>>52464719
If they do Cathay before giving us a true Total War:China I will burn their studio down.

>>52464485
Total war games are always done right when it comes to expansions, you have nothing to worry about.

>>52464748
They say the next historical Total War is on the way in a period they've never done before. Which pretty much means China or World War One.

>>52464767
American Civil War.

>>52464767
God I hope it's ww1/2

>>52464767
Well if it's WWI they might get it done in time for the centennial of it's end.

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>>52464775

I think that was Empire

>>52464767
> Please be pic related

Wonder if TW:W has opened the door for more magical and mythological bullshittery. Seeing 3 Kingdoms done up with Dragons and Wizards could be kind of fun.

>>52464485

Why can people not understand that this is an expansion and a stand alone game.

Game companies have been doing this for years.

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I mean this trailer is so much better than this.
https://youtu.be/N_ZgyNoHtjw
>elves look like elves
>magic vortex that saves whole world
>grandiose battle at end

>Dow3
>marines only kill grots
>hideous skeleton banshee
>only noticeable scene is knight impaling wraithknight

>>52464810
Empire, Napoleon, and Fall of the Samurai all generally fall in that general time period/style of war. Especially Fall of the Samurai with its gatling guns and railroad systems.

>>52464668
Dude I'd love a Dog's of War army. Imagine how weird that'd play. It'd be like playing a hoard army, but with a huge focus on diplomacy. Maybe even weird battles were you're fighting other mercs and get bribed to just make it look good instead of actually engaging in a casualty heavy battle.

>>52464421
My only objection here is the Slann growling. I get that things need to be exciting, but I always thought they were supposed to be weirdly placid creatures.
Also, tacti-cool Elves with crossbows is rad.

>>52464719

It would be nice. But everything we know about the far east, Cathay, Nippon, Kingdoms of Ind, could be summed up on a single piece of paper

Although with the huge creative scope they have would be nice if GW told them to "go crazy" and see what they come up with.

>>52464767
Victoria Total War would be sweet.

>>52464861
He's still pretty placid compared to the rampaging murder lizards he's commanding. Frankly, I've been on this website too long because I fully expected him to let out a fucking REEEEEE.

>>52464880
Dare we hope and dream for naval Total War?

Does this mean they're done with the Old World? Because I really wanted Kislev.

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>>52464927

Option A is introducing the Tsarina or Tsar Boris as Empire characters, and treating it as another province. Similar to how Orcs/Goblins or Dwarfs/Angrund work.
Option B is to get license to go absolutely hogwild with new units and models. War Wagons, Lancers, Ice Wizards and even meme up some Bear Cavalry.

>>52464878
I'd hope that if they ever did Cathay that they would give every unit from early to late-game a larger number of troops than the equivalents from other factions so it's always a large army.

>>52464810
>>52464775
>>52464767
They where scouting Gettysberg recently. My guess is that it's going to Total War: Victoria. Won't be for a few years though.

>>52464927
If I've read their announcements correctly sometime after TW:W2 drops they're going to basically expand the map to be the entire Warhammer World and the factions from games you don't own will basically work like factions from DLC you haven't bought. PC gets them, you can't fight them, just need to fork out dough to be them.

Also if Creative Assembly keeps up their 4 races trend then it's either going to be Kislev or Chaos Dwarfs in the last batch, since they're otherwise out of factions.

>>52464421
>Why CA makes better trailers than Relic?

Games companies almost always contract an outside creative agency to make trailers.

>>52464421
>that rat at the end
So we're getting best faction this time?

>>52465019
Dwarfs are in the first one though.

>>52465012
CA has their own cinematic department.

>>52465019
>Cathay
Well duh, I mean it's kinda hard to miss the Lizardmen in the trailer dude.

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>>52465019
Vampire Counts were in the First game

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>>52465019
They're free too.

>>52465043
>>52465067
>>52465069
>>52465078
STUPID MAN-THINGS REEEEEE!!!

So.... will there be sub factions?

Its quite easy to see the Empire fighting against each other as well as Skaven and DE.

But High Elves and Lizard Men?

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Why druchii are so sexy?

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>>52465111
Get them out of the Forest anon

>>52465117
>Why druchii are so old and busted?
FTFY

>>52465111
Probably penalties for civil war like Bretonnia.

>>52465111

I really hope theres a unite the elves option for both factions

>>52465019
yes, high elves were anounced some time ago

>>52465019
But anon the empire has already been in since the beginning.

>>52465111

In 6th Edition, High Elves had a special rule called 'Intrigue at Court' to represent all the problems their shitty political systems suffer from. Not to mention that their entire history is one long civil war.
Put a Dark Elf raiding host in Ulthuan, give them some of the coastal regions. Regional Princes are fucking arrogant and I can totally see Imrik declaring against Tyrion, for example.

Lizards are harder to fluff.
Just make the 4 Temple Cities into distinct factions. If you go to war against a friendly NPC race, it's your own fucking fault.

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>>52465019
>So we're getting best faction this time?
Yep, our God finally manifested himself in vidoe games.
Praise kek

>>52464827
CA and relic use the same studio to outsource their cinematic to.
CA literally remade relic after THQ went down.

Relic is the autistic little sister to CA's sassy working-2-jobs big sister.

>>52465117
They look like old whores high on crack

>>52465203
There are going to be Pepe reskin mods, aren't there?

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>>52465215
Yes.

>>52465210
>CA and relic use the same studio to outsource their cinematic to.
Why it looked so much worse then?

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>>52464827
It's because DoW3 shit the bed by being faggy MOBA trash in an attempt to get into eSports. The trailer was serious and brooding and then you watch the colorful mobile phone looking graphics in the gameplay reveal and want to vomit. You can have colors and pretty graphics without looking like shit, and Total Warhammer is the best example of this

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>>52465222
>trips

Holy shit.

>>52465225
because you have tisms.

Relic went full stylized based on their own interpretation.
CA stuck to the TT models we know and love.

>>52465222
PRAISE HIM

>>52465222
trips confirm

Fuck KEK.

>>52464629
>>52464668
http://totalwars.ru/index.php/total-war-warhammer-news/2576-total-war-warhammer-fb-dlc-and-expansion-pack-plans.html

Chaos dwarfs are confirmed in the confirmed legit leak.

While they have said that their plans have changed since the leak. It seems more like their plans have changed in that "they're planning on adding more shit than leak indicates". So Chorfs are still highly likely.

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>>52465211
As it should be, they pump themselves with drugs as 40k counterparts.

>>52465253
>Relic went full stylized based on their own interpretation.
Their interpretation sucks. Even Gathering Storm portrayed universe better. especially third book had best art.

>>52465225
>Why it looked so much worse then?

Different amount of shekels shed for each one, also possibly because of the criticism they got from DOW III trailer.

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>>52464827
God I hate Malekiths stupid gold face mask.

>>52465150
There is. It's called conquering them.

>>52465292
Just having a dark spot in the helmet would have looked retarded in almost all lightning situations.

>>52465289
people liked relic's version until they saw the gameplay.

I suppose we already know the TW:WH gameplay and seeing elfs in it makes people happy.

Will we be able to help Malekith reclaim his rightful title of Phoenix King?

>>52465313
The only things wrong with DoW III's trailer were the Space Marines' weird lanky proportions and the strange 'artsy' setting of the whole thing. Individually everything looked great, especially the Banshee.

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Can't wait to send Karl and the gang to naggaroth to BTFO dark elfs.
and get a crack elf waifu.

>>52465211

Then CA did a good job.

>>52465312
I think a floating haze of darkness could work.

>>52464421

>add couple races, cut all others
>same engine, same game really
>is really a standalone DLC desu
>call it a sequel
>buck in next 60 euro

fucking cancer

>>52465111
Well, there's the Lizardmen at large led by Skaven, but maybe the Sotek worshiping skinks as a separate subfaction?

>>52465358
>send Karl and the gang to naggaroth
First you'll have to deal with Chaos, Orcs, Beastmen, Skaven, Undead, Wood Elves and Dark Elf Corsairs coming to you at the same time while Middenland refuses to confederate.

Playing Empire in the global campaign will be next level of fucked up.

>>52465211
They've been doing drugs and every single depraved thing you can think of for centuries, of course they won't look like virgins.

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>>52465292
Its better than plain sigmarine face, i dig his grin.

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>>52465312
>Just having a dark spot in the helmet would have looked retarded
Nope

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>>52465312
Just show off his scarred and burned angry face like they used to.

>>52464777
It's never going to be that. It wouldn't work with total war battles. 150-man SMG squads moving and fighting in tight formation doesn't make any sense.

>>52465426
What the fuck happened along the line to make me wince when I see Gav Thorpe's name?

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>>52464421
>dat face

>>52465420
>implying I don't welcome it.
Teaming up with dorf and elfbros to save the world is something I have long awaited.

And no, wood elfs don't count.

>>52465316
Would rather help Malus overthrow the whiny manchild and become true king of the dark elves.

>>52465457
>wood elfs don't count
Tell that to Tree Hitler who attacks your Brettonian allies for no reason while all your stacks are away fighting Archaon.

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>>52465455
>When Morathi and Alarielle cucks you

>>52465512
which is why they don't count dumbass.
they are literally chaos elves.

>>52464827
The game's probably going to be shit, but that beksinski-fever-dream trailer was fucking amazing.

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>>52465215

You know it

>>52465111
>But High Elves and Lizard Men?
High elves are the only faction in the wargame to have actual rules to represent their incessant politicking.

Lizardmen would just be various chieftans/slaan butting heads over their personal interpretations of the old one's will.

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>>52465215

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Hold up, so Cathay is in? We terracotta legions now?

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>>52465653
http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2017-03-30-total-war-warhammer-2-creative-assembly-answers-the-big-questions
IR: That's right. There's also an area called the Southlands.

Who lives there?

AB: We're not ready to talk about that yet.

TOMB KANGZ

>>52465679

WE

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>>52465653

https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B_Redi9cZJ5iQm9rcWxLZXlQWVE/view

>>52465679
Best case scenrio is we get them as a non playable faction like the Brets, but still with a unqiue rooster, and there later added as free DLC.

>>52465679
settra better be OP as fuck

>>52465117
I laughed at that shot.

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>>52465679
>yfw this sells like fucking crazy and GW relaunches TK in AoS

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>>52464533
>tfw I will finally be able to do literally nothing wrong to 6 million Skaven

>>52465724

SMASH THE R@

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>>52465686
WUZ

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>>52465750
KINGS

>>52465653
>>52465690
Cathay is not in and that Cathay book is NOT canon in the slightest

>>52465691
>a unique rooster
Halflings confirmed?

What the fuck? aRe the Lizardmen literally retarded? Why are they fighting the High Elves as well? The High Elves are objectively the best good guys and number 1 enemies of Chaos.

I hate lizardmen now.

>>52465679

Settra will be DLC.

>>52465807
They are actually really dumb, yes.

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>>52465807

REEE GET OUT OF OUR JUNGLE!

>>52465679
We better get a Nagash invasion event.

>>52465807
Lizzies literally only care about their own retarded interpretation of the Old One's plans. It doesn't matter if High Elves are technically on the same side.

>>52465807

>Goo babies who revere giant desiccated toads
>Intelligent

>still no skaven

REEEEEEEEE

>>52465831
Literally this

>>52465869

Watch to the end of the trailer. They're in.

I don't think I have ever seen so much asspain over a TW title, are the history guys really this butthurt?

Everyone that spent 5 min looking into the subject knew this was par for the course, TW said three games, then combined

>>52465869
watch it al the way to the end sperg.

>>52465869

THERE WAS LITERALLY A R@ AT THE END OF THE TRAILER.

>>52465807
Some of them turned into Dark Elves. Therefore, none of them can be trusted not to turn evil again.

>>52465420

My butthole is clenched already

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>>52465807
>The High Elves are objectively the best good guys and number 1 enemies of Chaos.
there has ever been only a single good elf and it was caledor dragontamer

all the other elves are tainted and treading the path of chaos despite thinking of doing good


AND CUCUMBERBATCH ALMOST TOUCHED THE ROCK!
WARMBLOODS ARE NOT ALLOWED TO TOUCH MY ROCKS!
SEND THE TERRADONS REEEEEEEEEEE!

I can't wait to have muh orkz smash their way across most of the old world

>>52465909
skinks are so fuckin cute

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>>52465934
look at him
just look

>>52464421

>we wuz pheonix kangz

No you weren't, asshole. You stepped into the flames and they rejected you.

>>52465850

They tore out so many skagen hearts a god was borned from it, though. Thats a positive right there.

Imagine being a normal person in Warhammer setting.
No matter where you are , you are fucked.

>>52465960
Wrong. The flame didn't reject him. It wanted him. It was transforming him into the Phoenix King but he was too weak to endure the pain and he doubted if he was truly worthy. He threw himself out of the flame before the process could be completed.

>>52465798
From a lore standpoint I fucking hate those copy pasted Wikipedia historical article rulebooks. I don't play TT so I couldn't give a shit about the rules. But the author was a sjw cuck who completely rewrote what little background we have on those factions because he wanted to "respect the cultures." They don't read like warhammer at all, they just read like bland fantasy versions of real life cultures. Almost no interaction with greenskins, skaven, elves, dwarfs or any non human races. Absolutely lost my shit in the estalia book when they said a Cortez expy BTFO lizardmen because they never experienced guns or knights or steel weapons before.

>>52465997
This isn't End Times canon, so it flat-out rejected him.

>>52465885

I don't think Cold Ones are sentient, they're more like horses. Saying that the Cold Ones joined the Dark Elves means all Lizardmen can't be trusted is like making the argument that your enemy uses horses and therefore they're... traitors... or something. It's retarded.

>>52466003
>Cortez expy BTFO lizardmen because they never experienced guns or knights or steel weapons before.

It's true though. Lizardmen just fought daemons, greenskins, and the odd Norsemen raiders. They never fought a regimental ordered force with knights and guns

>>52465992
>No matter where you are , you are fucked.

Not really? The Empire is actually a very comfy place to live, same with Marienburg and all of Ulthuan.

>>52465997

Incorrect, the TW games follow 6th ed canon, in which case the flames just rejected him and it led to him being a butthurt little asshole.

>>52466022
It's based on 8th ED lore which is prelude to the End Times so no. It goes. By Asuryan, Malekith is the true king.

>>52466046
>and all of Ulthuan.
>all

>>52466055
Wrong, they said it was based on 8th ED. That's why you seeing 8th ED characters and units. Get rekt.

Malekith is the true lord of the Aelves

>>52466062
>It's based on 8th ED lore
>Vlad returned without Nagash ressurection

>>52465997
>end times

>>52466062

Fake news.

>>52466087
With creative licence of course. Do I need to tell you which edition the Gorst character comes from?

>>52466081

They use some 8th edition units and shit, but it's still 6th edition canon.

>>52466046
>implying marienburg isn't part of the empire
Nice try you traitorous lout

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>>52466071

You heard me.

ALL of Ulthuan.

>>52466117
>but it's still 6th edition canon.

Nope, the earliest interviews says they are using 8th ED as their framework. Nothing was stated by 6th ED.

>>52466043
Lizards did crush Bretonnians when they've mistaken them for dragons.

>>52466081
>Wrong, they said it was based on 8th ED

You're now literally lying. Not just being uninformed.

>>52466043
>They never fought a regimental ordered force
I mean, aside from all the chaos warriors, we wuz kangz, dank elves and empire expeditions, sure.

Or the times they teleport to other parts of the world to randomly fuck shit up because an old post-it told them to.

>>52466125

Oh really? Ask Theo Gausser to walk into Marienburg and see what happens.

>>52466127
There are mountains there that have Chaos portals in them.

>>52466137

>the earliest interviews says

Source? I suppose they're too early for you to have one?

So, is there any actual character in the trailer?

Or are they just generic LLs

>>52464533
Shit, they're actually adding the Southlands? Fucking kickass.

>>52466142
I ain't lying though.

>>52466162
teclis and malekith were present

the lizards were generics, though I don't doubt we'll get kroq-gar as a LL

>>52464421

How do we think the factions will play in terms of global mechanics?

> Dark Elves
Winning battles gives you slaves. Slaves are used as 'fuel' for your economy. If you don't keep up the raids, your economy suffers a huge penalty.
> IE- Capture, Raze or Raid a town. Raiding gives you ~5 turns of Slaves. Maintain a positive slave count or global unrest / upkeep increase.

> High Elves
Some shitty balance mechanic, yin/yang thing. Maybe neighbouring Elves are really easy to piss off and start huge diplomatic crises.
Probably reuse the Empire/Woodie title system.

> Lizards
Something about the geomantic web? Taking specific territories in a grid, or reclaiming lost treasures from all across the map?

> Skaven
Population management. Overpopulation in a zone increases recruitment rate, but also unrest. Massive teamkilling sprees are vital to your economy, but weaponizing the hordes is also a viable 'rush' tactic for a few turns.

>>52466162
Teclis, Malekith, and Mazda man

>>52465877
>>52465879
>>52465883

I'm autistic and sperged out and quit at the end. Didn't see the very last part

I'm better now but my baby brother still got kicked

>>52466158
Eat a dick.

>At the moment we’re focusing on the core stuff so it’s just 8th edition for now but who knows what’s gonna happen in the future?

>https://www.gamnesia.com/exclusives/Total-war-warhammer-developer-discusses-how-they-aim-to-please-audiences

Now show me your source.

>>52466195
mazda man rides on a stegadon, though

tfw feeding warmbloods to my carnosaur.

>>52466180
Then provide proof of your statements, because the lore of the game directly contradicts 8th edition. Your entire argument is based on the unit models, which Brettonia proves you stupid, and your claim that they said they're using 8th Edition. Which is unfounded.

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>>52465724
DEATH CAMPS FOR THE RATS
SIT BACK AND RELAX
RIGHT WING ELF SQUADS PREPARE TO ATTACK

So what races are we getting? We got 4 with the first one.

>>52466229
WHITE ELF BLACK ELF LIZARD ELF RAT ELF

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>expecting nu-relic to compete against CA

>>52466197
Don't kick the god damn baby I:(

>>52466241
>nu relic
>literally a CA studio.
kek.

>>52466150
>chaos warriors,

Rare, no guns, Norse raiders don't bring horses with them on their ships. Also I believe they fight with bronze weapons unless they are chosen.

>we wuz kangz

No guns.

Tomb Kings last invaded the Southlands when they were alive many generations ago.

>dank elves

No guns

>empire expeditions

Which should wreck them due to guns and small pox.

>>52466157
There is also ghosts, dragons,man eating lions and other monsters.

>>52466223
You

see

>>52466215

I demand that you eat a dick and send pictures alongside the source of anything being mentioned about 6th ED.

>>52466285
>lizards have advanced magical healthcare
>smallpox.
ayylmao.

>>52466226
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>>52466284
Fucking hell im still pissed at Relic for this shit heap of a new game coming out. Hell, indie devs with a tenth of the funding produce better 40k products that are more loyal to the art style than that MOBA looking cartoon shit they revealed

>>52464725

I hope the last expac is not just "Chaos wastes with the four chaos gods" because on the one hand I undersand the inordinate amount of work you'd need to do for the four different chaos demons but on the other hand that sounds rather limited on it's own.

>>52466320
That's why the Skaven and Nurglite plagues wiped out whole cities of them, eh?

>>52466284
>>52466241
>nu-Relic
>leftover studio made from CA's scraps

>>52466327
warhammer is all about the flash.
you still have an army painter if you want grimdark shit.

>>52465045
For making their in-engine dlc trailers and faction introduction cinematics. The CGI announcement trailers were both outsourced.

>>52466215

This doesn't make any sense, as there's units and characters in the game that would have been busy or dead during the End Times. It sounds like they changed their minds somewhere during development, probably realizing they didn't want to paint themselves into any corners.

>>52466172
All you would see is tombkings, araby being raped by the crusaders, beastmen, and more skaven.

How will they handle Vampire Coast and Estalia/Tilea though? This is the real question.

>>52466193

> Skaven
> Events that encourage you to declare wars and attack neutral parties, increased income from winning battles for a short time
> The value of these events increase dramatically when declared against Military Allies
> NPC Skaven are extremely quick to forgive but are similarly cunty with regards to breking pacts
> Diplomatic penalty for breaking Skaven treaties is almost zero and very quickly forgiven

If you hold a positive reputation as Skaven, you are doing it wrong.

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>>52464421
>there will never be a good Total War game ever again

>>52466334
With magical diseases, yes.

>>52466320

>what is the entire fucking Lustria campaign and Clan Pestilens/Rise of Sotek historical period

>>52466327
>cartoon shit
>>52465235
>colorful mobile phone looking graphics
Not saying it'll get better, but remember that's how teeg was talking about Battlefleet Gothic: Armada at a similar point in its development cycle.

>>52465948
He looks so happy to be there, they all do actually, the entire faction just looks like it's having a whale of a time.

>>52466355
They'll maybe have a few Empire/Bretonnia/Tilea/Estalia colonies dotted around to give players something different to fight and to act like living advertisements for the first game. Vampire Coast can (but hopefully won't be) ignored. The only thing they can't really dodge is Araby.

I'm curious how the fucking under-empire is going to be modeled on the map.

>ind4 Skaven are a horde race that can't capture settlements and just get their own special army stance for movement.

>>52466345
>lmao you just hate color go back to cutting yourself fag

We've done this song and dance before with Diablo 3 and look how that game turned out

drink bleach

>>52466334
didn't realize smallpox was a magical chaos rat disease.

>>52466285
>Rare, no guns
chaos warriors have gun-arm mutations

>Tomb Kings last invaded the Southlands when they were alive many generations ago.
I'm not sure you understand, but the lizardmen fued with the tomb kangz quite frequently. One of the short stories in the 5e book is about some skinks hiring an arabian guide to lead them through the deserts to take some of their shit back.

>Which should wreck them due to guns and small pox.
powder weapons are shit in the super jungles, and the empire explorers get salmonella if they touch the lizards and don't wash their hands before eating

>>52466393
nice edge son.
And I don't give a shit about diablo.

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>>52465222

>>52466389
Don't hurt me like this, anon.

>>52464421
Whats warhammer?

>>52466370
Such a shame that everything after Medieval 1 is total dogshit. 3d battles and moving away from the risk-style campaign map ruined the series.

>>52466385
Does Araby even have enough units to give them flavour or is everyone gonna be a genie?

I'd be ok with them making Araby sort of like release Bretonnia.

>>52466172
TOMB KANGZ confirmed.
DLC tho.

>>52466393
That's the thing though that I hate, Total Warhammer is colorful as fuck and looks fantastic because the art style is consistent with the source material art and miniatures. DoW3 is colorful as fuck and also looks cartoony as fuck which makes it look like garbage. Color is always great to have, but it can be a negative if your setting is supposed to be serious and your art style looks cartoony as Fuck

>>52466302
and elves

you are literally not allowed to step on any other place of ulthuan that isn't lothern if you're not an elf

>>52466404
>having a gun-arm is the same as massed usage of gunpowder.

>>52464421
>leafs
> making better game than European studios
DoW3^
>small and primitive maps
>no early rush or anything tactics except MOBA shit
>meanwhile in small french indie studio: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GuHN5Ezez1Y&t

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>>52466434
t. Warmaster

>>52466459
>backpedalling
bows and crossbows would be better suited to the environment, anyways

>>52464827
Nah, Dawn of War 3s trailer was fucking amazing, sure all the aesthetic was stolen but the tone of the trailer was great.

Its just that the game looks garbage.
That beeing said, the Warhammer trailer was great and i love all the designs for the lizardmen they made, they actually made the lizardmen look like they do in the art (with the exception of the Carnosaur which looks exactly like the model), as in huge and lean, rather than the frog mouthed crocodiles that are the 6th edition saurus warriors.

I couldnt be happier with the trailer, but its not "Better" than the DoW 3 trailer, they are both great in their own right. DoW 3 stands on its own, this is nice as a tie in. But this game is probably gonna be good while DoW 3 probably isnt...

>>52466497
not him.
And the humidity could ruin bows if not maintained properly.
plus dakka is fun.

>>52466193
>Dark Elves
Slaves and raiding makes sense since it's a massively recurrant theme in their fluff. Hopefully they don't end up as expansion-monsters that cab run roughshod over everything with how fast they grow, like the Wood Elves did.
>High Elves
Maybe internal politics and extreme difficulty to get the Regional Princes to unite?
>Lizardmen
CONSTRUCT ADDITIONAL PYLONS.
Except instead of "pylons" it's maintaining the geomantic network they constantly are trying to maintain. Maybe rebel factions are always skaven?
>Skaven
I like the idea of "inverse Bretonnia" population management; like the higher you population is, the more units you can recruit but if it's over a certain number based on certain settlements and buildings you start to loose public order at a crazy rate.

>>52466512
the only reason wood elves grew so fast was because their faction was designed to expand that way.
It's kinda fun fighting fucking nature itself when it's trying to kill you.

>>52466508
>the humidity could ruin bows if not maintained properly
For sure, but not as easily as early powder weapons.

Especially since it'd be elves taking care of the gear, rather than normal dudes.

>>52466542
I thought we were talking about estalians.

Also, have elves ever used gunpowder on occasion?
What do they think of dakka?

>>52465111
Steam page confirms that each Legendary Lord gets his own Faction.
Its probably gonna work like Bretonia where you get massive penalties if you fight your own race for lizardmen and elves.

while the fact if Malekith was the true Phoenix king was always unknown it is quite old fluff that High Elves cheated by using protective wards when going to the fire.

>>52466416

It's the easy way out, the sensible one even, from a resource investment perspective. How many coder work hours can they really justify on making a bunch of underground cities and stuff that only one race could ever access? I mean, dwarfs and gobbos could, I guess, but that would seriously fuck up the balance of those factions w/r/t the settlement system. Having the Dwarfs claiming all the Skaven warrens to found new holds all throughout the Empire or whatever would hardly be thematic lore wise either.

So why not just integrate them into the already existing tunnels-as-movement system? The upgrade chains for each horde could be various icons and stuff that symbolize how closely that chieftain is tied to each clan or what have you.

>>52466594
>I thought we were talking about estalians.
I was just pointing towards the regimented and orderly armies the lizards actually fought in the fluff without getting their shit kicked in

the bellend just went "they have no guns so it doesn't count"

>have elves ever used gunpowder?
I know in man 'o war they have cannons on their ships, but I'm not sure if any other source of fluff has them using powder weapons.

Elves feel like hipsters, though. Dwarves use gunpowder so I doubt they'll ever touch it.

>>52466677
elves would have much smaller numbers than humans. That would probably tip that in the human's favor.

Plus the destructive power of big cannons is one of the reasons why elephants stopped being used in warfare.

>>52465069
>Vampire Cunts
Fuck off CA. You've wanked them enough.

>>52466043
>heroes use laserguns and chainswords
>get rekt by blackpoweder
Right.
Estallia never ammounted to anything, there are only two estallian colonies one which got reked three times till the guy gave up.

>meme elves
>reddit rats

See you fuckers in hell when you start complaining about their bullshit.

If they simplify the combined campaign map more than a tiny bit its gonna be super disappointing

>>52466219
In Total Warhammer you still gotta unlock the mount options tho, so they couldve just shown him in an earlier stage.
Plus the slann on his palanquin is more iconic.

Also i think having to animate the stegadon just for that shot was part of the reason too. Note how there also are no Kroxigors in the lizardmen army or any cold ones.
All that stuff costs shekels.

>>52466376
>Lizardmen win against an army thats entire idea is to spread disease and engineers diseases only to kill lizardmen.
>Loses to irrelevant faction due to smallpox

yeah right.
Estallia will never matter.

>>52466285
Since when were guns an I win button in Warhammer Fantasy?

>>52466355
Estallia only has the dogs of war roster so probably an empire clone like in the first game.
Vampire coast actually had some unique units from white dwarf but they never had official models, only some kitbashed things from white dwarf.
Id love if they added those and Luthor Harkon as an LL but i doubt it since we didnt even get Kislev.

Can we have semi regular threads for TW:WH here?

>>52466782
Whatever you say meatbag

>>52466961
Its called Warhammer General. Half the time people talk about it there.

>>52466961
Fuck off with your video game shit.

>>52466486

I'm trying to come up with new units to up the variety withouth jumping the shark with high fantasy stuff.

Other than generic artillery, I've got nothing.

>>52466944
I'm actually hopeful for the Vampire Coast. While I doubt they'll get unique units, CA has been shown to love the vampire counts. Hell, Mousillion, which is only a single minor settlement (Which honestly it should be a major settlement in its own province, Mousillion is a bigger thing in the lore) got a legendary lord in the Red Duke. Seeing good old crazy Luthor Harkon as a LL could totally happen.

>>52466915
Since the Empire became the mightiest nation on the planet.

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>>52466378
Look at how fucking stoked that old blood looks.

I actually realy like that design, has a lot of personality and is a nice mix of dinosaur and monitor lizard.

>>52466389
i actually think skaven could be realy cool, now they wont do an underground map.

But what they will do i think is something like "under altdorf".
I think Skaven can take over settlements without taking them over, as in they got a seperate city under another city without the faction actually knowing that, the better your skaven city is the more debuffs the empire city gets. They can do this for any faction of course, save for maybe karaks since they are arleady underground

>>52466046

That's what you say til you wake up in rat shit, naked in a Skaven burrow, getting experimented on

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>>52467026
basically just a 1:1 of the plastic kit

including the smile

>>52466512
>Dark Elves
Why does everyone forget about black arcs as a mechanic?
These should at least be something like swimming cities that you can recruit corsairs in.
>Lizardmen
Geometric web is good.
Also something with recovering ancient plaques of the old ones that then tell you which faction to remove from premises to advance the great plan.

>>52467026
It's like he's caught in a moment of introspection, thinking about how awesome riding a carnosaur is. Kind of a 'do what you must, I have already won' look.

yeah

more age of skub vs skubtasy shitposting

i am so hype for this retarded shit

>>52467193
They're literally bred for war. I bet killing for him feels better than an orgasm.

>>52467114
You can actually see that they tried a slight redesign on sauri and the carnosaur
the last one got its snout elongated, resembling more the look of actual dinosaurs rather than the bulldog inspired short head, long fanged plastic kit
with the sauri they put more emphasis on the lizard aspect and gave them iguana necks

>>52467193
Note that with the blessings of Itzl, which is the old one responsible for the spawnings of lizardmen capable of riding beasts like those, there's a mutual instinctual understanding between rider and mount

They are BOTH thinking that

>>52464725
>> Ogres, Tomb Kings, Daemons and Chaos Dwarfs
Nope
Tomb Kangz are DLC for this one along with some human factions like Araby or Cathay or Nippon more than likely.
Game 3 is 4 different daemon armies, one for each god with C. Dorfs and Ogres as DLC. Ogres in dead last of course.

>>52466486

That... looks really boring. Seriously, it's just Arabian Nights/fantasy style arabs with the barest hint of the fantastical in genies and magic carpets, everything else is elephants, camels and turbans.

Your ancient Egyptians got giant bone-scorpions and snakes, living statues and bone giants along with the standard undeath, mummies and gold.

I mean it's not a bad start but it's so generic and boring...

>>52467502
>Ogres in dead last of course

>hardly one of the headliner races in terms of popularity
>hard to balance due to being all monstrous infant

makes sense

>>52464421

>dark elf using modern human military hand signals

What did they mean by this?

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Who team
>Frog Wizards
here?

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>>52467702
>Seriously, it's just Arabian Nights/fantasy style arabs with the barest hint of the fantastical in genies and magic carpets
human armies in warhammer fantasy are largely historical, to contrast with the giant monsters and shit

Shit, even most of the fantasy races have armies that are largely comprised of conventional infantry and cavalry blocks.

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>>52465117
I dislike how they gave them so human eyes.
I prefer depictions of Elves where they have inhuman eyes.

>>52464861
Well he could be angry, as the lore states that the great vortex is waning.

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>>52465129
>those fucking teeth.
pls no

Yeah. Until 7th edition, even the High Elves had only giant eagles as non-'human' troops (plus monstrous mounts for heroes). Only in 7th-8th most factions received huge ass monsters and warmachines and the mandatory monstrous infantry-cavalry units.

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>>52465313
>people liked relic's version until they saw the gameplay.
Speak for yourself. The Space Marines don't look like Marines at all, they look like fags in skinny jeans. This is a fucking space marine.

>>52465679
Here's hoping for Arkhan as the main wizard.

Fluff or not, he's the biggest name in the faction next to NagashSettra included.

>>52467925

Yeah but all have a ratio of weird and fantastical shit, like the Empire Steam Tank, Karl Franz atop Deathclaw, Demigryphs, Dwarven Gyrocopter, etc.

That army literally has a genie and a magic carpets, where's the fantasy parts?

>>52468130
Demigryphs and most huge monster, monstrous cavalry and weird warmachines only came out in 8th.
Warmaster is a much older game.
Steam tanks and monstrous mounts have always been a thing, though.

>>52468118
Arkhan would probably be in his own faction, I don't know if they're still going to do the 1 caster 1 melee per faction on release thing since they get unique starting locations now

>>52466285
Khermi don't need guns, they were the single most powerful human civilization to ever exist. Khermi humans could live for centuries, with a man in his eighties being considered in his prime. They had magic up the fucking wazoo, bone golems, and could create giants with magic able to smash just about anything.


Who needs guns when you've got doombolts.

What are the chances of them including Sigmarines in 3rd game?

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>Feeling ok, nice visuals, elves vs dark elves going at it
>Something comes out to attack dark elves
>Instantly thought its a gryphon and went "ah, just humans"
>wait
>Is that a fucking din-
>OH SHIT IT'S A FUCKING CARNOSAUR
>Skink horde
>Slann pulling an ARISTOCRATS! pose
>mfw

>>52465750
... are they really beating dead horses?

>>52468219
>mfw people shocked when they see lizards. Full video is in Lustria.

>>52464827
I actually think DoW 3 had the better trailer. It just felt so god dam 40k I loved it. Tw wh is the better game tho, and that's simply because there's no such thing as a bad tw game

>>52468252
Rome 2 was pretty horrible until they ironed out most of the flaws in the Emperor Edition.

>>52468130
>Empire Steam Tank, Karl Franz atop Deathclaw
how is that any more prevalent than giant djinn and magic carpet riders

>demigryphs
8e kind of went bonkers and people did bitch about it

>Dwarven gyrocopter, etc
Gyrocopter aside, there's nothing else really overtly fantastical about the dwarves armies.

aside from rune priests I guess? but araby has wizards who commune with elemental spirits so that's kind of a wash

>>52468241
It says nothing about it being Lustria. I just saw "Forest". Shitloads of forests everywhere, lad.

>>52468290
There's literally pyramids in the first shot.

>>52464485
It is an expansion you nonce.

>>52466486
Im beyond okay with this.

>>52468290
It's clearly a jungle.
Not to mention the clearly Mayincaztechian wheel-ruin-thing.

>>52465878
Tw history fags are the same as whfb fags. If everything in life doesn't cater to them they cry

>>52468367
>>52468313
I wasn't paying attention, then.

Hurray rats!

>>52468284
That's the key, tw is really good about fixing it's shit. If the game starts off bad, it will be good in two years or less.

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>>52468648
druchii btfo

>>52464485
Like you ain't gonna buy it from Steam sale 8 months later.

>>52464421
How is /tg/ the only fucking board where you can have a decent thread about a video game?
Everyone on /v/ is having a spergout because
>Muh full price DLC
>Muh Fantasy instread of historical
>Muh shill memes
its fucking disagracefull.

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>>52468648
Are those Skaven spears on the right side?
I remember them talking about a pre-order bouns with this standalone expansion months ago, so I expect Tomb Kings will be it.

>>52469016
>/v/
what the fuck did you expect.

>>52468130
Its just older dude.
Old empire armies also werent filled to the brim with weird shit.

Same for Tomb Kings, back when i played as in 6E the most fancy thing tomb kings had was the ushtabi and Lizardmen only had half of its dinosaur units.

Not long ago Warhammer was mostly about real world counterpart units with SOME monsters thrown in that usually were some very weird type of unit or the mount for your lord

>>52468203
None. CA has said they absolutley are not interrested in that IP.
Probably because its garbage.

>>52468648
Huh, you can see some skaven symbols on the lower right of the 'II' in the title

What's the vision Teclis is seeing?

>>52469016
/vg/ and Reddit are really happy as well

>>52468286
>people did bitch about it
Its great tho, its also what gave us that huge ass carnosaur kit.
They shouldve just also given us new core models because so many of them were outdated.
but realy you gotta admit those huge centerpiece models did look nice and give a nice idea of just HOW fucked your average joe is in warhammer.

>>52465878
Not to mention that there is literaly two teams workign on historical games, one making a new one and another making new DLC for attila.
They have no reason to cry, in fact, warhammer is trying out new gameplay mechanisms for them.

but no they choose to sperg, even on /v/ these reddit tier tards cannot keep their mouthes shut about this non issue.

>>52469229
>Its great tho, its also what gave us that huge ass carnosaur kit.
the lizardmen releases were top shelf (like, new terradons? new carnosaur? gr8), but stuff like the hurricanum and demigryphs weren't really necessary.

I still don't fucking know why they didn't update the empire knights instead. I'd been waiting for that janky old kit to get replaced for fucking years.

>>52469091
watch the trailer, steam says there is a fourth race hiding in the shadows.

Who do you think its gonna be...

>>52469314
Skaven duh.

>>52464421
After seeing that, I now need to make a campaign where the BBEG is lizard men who ride dinosaurs and shit like that because holy fuck they looked awesome.

>>52469423
>not having your party roll up a bunch of dinosaur men to go on dinosaur adventures

>>52467838
>pointing is a modern human hand signal.

>>52469215
Might be Caledor Dragontamer and the other mages forming the Vortex.

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>>52465807
>mfw a warmblood touches my rock
The elves being anywhere but Ulthuan is a violation of the old ones plan.
It's genocide time for knife ear fucking shit

>>52469555
Looks like you are right
https://www.totalwar.com/blog/total-war-warhammer-ii-coming-soon/
>What’s with the Vortex in the announcement trailer?
>The Great Vortex is a vast magical maelstrom that roils above the Isle of The Dead in the centre of Ulthuan, home continent of the High Elves. The Vortex was forged in a past age by a convocation of High Elf mages to drain the Winds of Magic from the world, and blast a huge daemonic invasion back to the Realm of Chaos from whence it came. It is a prominent part of the Warhammer Fantasy Battles world, a unique feature on the Total War: WARHAMMER II campaign map, and lies at the heart of the main campaign.

Looks like every race is racing to take advantage of the vortex

>>52467065
Someone a while back had a neat idea for Skaven interacting with enemy settlements from below. Settlements have an 'infiltration' meter that fills up if you have units or agents underneath a city that gives more and more debuffs to it, and when it reaches 100% your army has the option of launching a siege battle where your army tunnels up and deploys inside the walls.

>>52467925

Wow, even GW was referencing Bacha bazi with the Standard Bearer there.

Gross.

>>52469826
thats actually a cool way of combining corruption mechanics with alternate siege mechanics.

Something like that would be cool, tho id still like to actually have two cities

>>52469833
explain

>>52469917

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bacha_bazi

http://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/army-reverses-expulsion-charles-martland-green-beret-who-hit-afghan-n564861

It's not just Afghanistan, it's widespread.

Commonly in Iraq you would hear men say "Women are for babies, boys are for fun."

If you don't have a beard, you are considered fair game in these cultures. It's not gay if you are the one giving though, because homosexuality is punishable by death and only when given to a 'man.'

Real fucked up place.

Albion when?

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>>52468648
that better be fucking Imrik on that Dragon

At least I hope he's DLC
>The Dragon and the Toad
Imrik and Kroak

>>52470043
Oh shit, fucking rapefugees.

>>52470069
Its gonna be rat and snake. But theres no way they arent doing Kroak in some way.

Also
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QUFAqa3gzl4
21:00 starts the presentation.
Contains lizardmen animations, renders for cold ones and concept art for the bastilodon, also concept art for architecture and you can see the campaign map in the background.

On one hand im a bit sad that they didnt make the lizardmen pyramids FUCKHUGE but then i also like that parts of them float.

Saurus animations are absolutley badass and they kept VERY Close to the TT models and it shows, not that this is a bad thing.

WHERE IS THE MOLUS DARKBLADE THE EDGEKNIGHT?

>>52464827
I for one prefer the DoW 3 one. I'l a 40k fag but the aesthetic and trailer itself qits well with me. It has a meaning and all, it's not just showcasing units.

And screw you the banshee with an armor actually made from bone for once was a highlight of the trailer!

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>>52470121
STEGADON, STEGADON CONFIRMED!

>>52470121
>4th Faction
>Southlands will have Deserts and Jungle

ALERT; SKAVEN ARE A RED HERRING

KANGZ CONFIRMED

>>52470043
Calm down Mr. Fantastic

>>52470358

>Man this shit is kinda fucked up huh

>WOW THERE BUDDY RELAX

>>52466389
I bet they work like wood elves both economically and in settlements. It's perfect if you think about it:
> A couple proper 'cities' + the ability to occupy other race's settlements with shitty encampments/infestations.
>Instead of 'Amber' collect 'Warpstone' to recruit specialised units.
>Which units cost warpstone depends on subfaction, so Moulder gets free Rat Ogres but Pestilens gets free plague monks, etc.

I'd honestly be surprised if CA DIDN'T copy over Welf mechanics for Skaven. That said, they'll probably show up near the end game as a quasi chaos horde if you aren't playing them.

is that high mage teclis on the trailer?

>>52470393
according to the interview you can now conquer any territory with any faction so maybe the wud elf thing isnt the idea for game 2

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So the whole thing is about fixing/fucking up the vortex or using it for your own gain right?

Assuming the Skaven are the fourth race and its not a fake out, what races would give a fuck about the magic hurricane to be used for DLC?

I can see the amazons caring, but what about the Tomb Kings for Vampire Coast?

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>All those dislikes on the trailer

>>52465724
Sk*ven genocide NOW! TRAP THE R@!

>>52470121
>cold one knight that has a new cold one and new saurus design
fffuck you GW, make them

>>52470376
Nigga reaching I'm not talking about the fact that it happens

>>52465721
>tfw this and Vemintide sell really well and the Old World is relaunched

>>52464827
>WarMOBA 40,000: Dawn of ASSFAGGOTS
Why did you expect it to be good?

>>52466285
>Norsemen don't bring horses
Wew lad, let me introduce you to Surtha Ek and his army comp.

>>52470479
>Cold Ones
i tend to find that they are actually very close to the Lizardmen models, just less derpy.
but compared to the Dark Elves models that were used as base for the Warhammer online Cold ones and the Mark of Chaos Cold ones these look very bulky and much less Raptor like.
Not neccesarily a bad thing but they very much look like beefy reptile dinosaurs.

>>52470607
>40k games are shit
>WHFB games are good
How times have changed

>>52470580
New World expansion for Vermintide when?

>>52467943
Admittedly I REEE'd a bit at that. Their inhuman almond shaped eyes are a nice feature that I used a lot in my tabletop RPs to remind players that the person they're dealing with is 'alien' before a word was spoken.

>>52470711
>just less derpy.
that's mostly what I'm referencing

with the AoS lizardmen book being a lazy cop out, I've kind of given up hope for any new models while they focus on the eleven flavors of elves, dwarves, chaos and sigmarines

>>52470711
Any expansion for Vermintide gets me rock hard, although the end monologue after the White Rat still has me hoping I can Kruber my way through more enemies of the End Times.

>>52470479
Hmmmm while I do like there new look, instead of looking like raptors, them seem like smaller trexs. Might just be me.

>>52465909
WARMBLOODS GET OUT REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

>>52470767
>Kruber
Good taste.
>>52470756
>AoS
i mean we got two dwarven factions already so who knows.
Judging from the latest releases we might just get Lizard marines.

Realy lizards arent so unpopular a factio and right now they are realy strong.
Most new armeis have taken element sfrom other armies and made the entire thing about that (such as: ONLY TREEMEN and ONLY STEAMPUNK and ONLY SLAYERS) so maybe well get a faction exclusiveley focused on Dinosaur riding?

>>52470767
>Expansion
>Vermintide
Set it in Bilbao
Have a Rodollero, a Black Orc hired grunt, a sneaky gobbo crime boss, a Helf mage and a Questing Knight.

I will cum hard right in GW's face

>>52471027
>maybe well get a faction exclusiveley focused on Dinosaur riding?
honestly what I'd really like to see is just a sunblood faction

If it's anything like the orc release, I'd probably get some kroxigor proxies and maybe some super fat cold one riders to convert into scar vet ballistic missiles.

So what about megamap, will I be able to continue my Empire campaign in TWW2?

>>52471165
yeah sort of basicly the same when the updates for the DLC roll in.

>>52471201
Nice, looks like it's time to spend some monies on artillery army for few gazzilion rats

>>52471032
>not removing skaven as glorious lizardmangs
you are removing skaven wrong
>>52471079
what do you mean by sunbood? bigger saurus?
I just want the lizardmen to progress to beeing the Old ones, basically going full circle, becoming a 40k faciton in the process because why the fuck not.

>>52471404
>lizardbois in Southern Realms

Ehhh, I can't see it

>>52471165
naw, it sounds like you have to choose the big campaign map from a new campaign. Also it sounds like they may be simplifying the regions. that make up the big map.

>>52471404
>what do you mean by sunbood? bigger saurus?
Yep. What they made gor rok into.

it's the one lingering thread they added in with the new setting, which will probably never amount to anything.

>>52471587
i mean its just a description right?
Generaly the lizardmen evolving would be something new, but yeah they probably wont be doing anyhitng with it.