/WFG/ Warhammer Fantasy General

I'm open to suggestions for cleaning up the OP.

>>52456511
Get rid of the "Kindly no End Times or Age of Sigmar." bit. We know already. No other general has to do this.

Also might help to just make a "games" pastebin with the six or so at the bottom of the list. Plus, there will be more coming, with the hack-and-slash and TWW sequel/expansion/etc.

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I was reading over fluff from Grom the Paunch's battles, specifically this one, and I found it odd that the Empire not keeping its oaths of friendship with the Dwarves only earned a grudge. Wouldn't this be enough to drastically affect their relationship? If an agreement isn't being kept by one side, the Dwarves shouldn't feel they have to honor their end.

A token force of human support might have explained this - they upheld their side of things, if not well - but no such force was apparently sent.

>>52456721
Gotta keep the
>"Kindly no End Times or Age of Sigmar."
If it gets removed now, people will think we've changed our policy and starting posting that trash unironically.

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>>52456945
I feel like we could risk leaving it off for a thread or two and see what happens. If people post, we can ignore them. If it gets bad enough, we can reinstate it.

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>>52456963
>dwarven trebuchet
beautiful
>>52456475
sent more book files to the email account of the anon handling the new novel archive

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>>52457025

Appreciated.

Mega should be up soon.

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>>52457025
There's a site with some nice dwarven concept art that I keep meaning to save, but always lose track of. I might try searching it up again.

>>52457165
god i miss WAR, shame EA fucked us over by cutting over 50% of the content
but the content that was still there was still great

>>52456934
Grudges are a far bigger deal to dwarfs than they are to humans. That single grudge probably resulted in many dwarfs trying to screw over the Empire in trade deals, turn a blind eye to bandits or even beastmen who raid the Empire but hide in the dwarven mountains and not help the Empire in their hour of need.

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Games Day 2010 gallery.

http://www.ifelix.co.uk/phofant5.html

Flying towers. Some Tomb Kings.

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>>52456475
What is the most powerful lore of magic in Warhammer Fantasy 2nd edition, not counting the dark lores ( I guess lore of Nagash might count.) Ice magic seems pretty strong given it's mainly damage dealing, and also debuffs, while having some armour ignoring and instant kills on cirts spells.

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Post great models.

>>52456511
don't think endhammer is needed anymore

Where can find book 'The art of Ian Miller'?

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>>52461716
Haha, good fucking luck friendo.
That and Ratspike are ridiculously rare. I've been looking for a copy for ages.

>>52459458

> Imperial watchtower moving at incredible speed.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0TfTdqqjbW0&feature=youtu.be

45 more minutes lads!

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What the fuck are those floating towers in the background?

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>>52464080
That's a really good question. Anyone know the answer?

>>52459461
Can the Lore of Ice actually be used outside of Kislev? I thought that it was bound to the land by utilizing the residues of the Winds of Magic within the frost of Kislev.

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Aaand that's all the pics I've got.

>>52459458
>>52464080

No idea, but they look like the ones in this.

>>52464143
>>52464109
>>52464097
>>52464079
>>52464063
>>52464046
>>52464032
Awesome

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fXxe897bW-A

NEW TOTAL WAR

>>52464480
Boring looking elves.

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>>52464552
>I WANT AYYY IMAO'S

>>52464480
...Weren't we promised all 16 races in the original before it was considered done?

The fuck?

>>52464604
It's going to be all races spread across three expansions. All with one huge map so you can invade whereever.

>>52464576
Yes, in fact I do.

>>52464616
A sequel isn't an expansion.

Still. More content is better than no content.

>>52464046

Cool, but why have a movement tray for 1 model?

>>52464480
>taticool crossbow elf point

But why?

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>>52464623
Then get over with it.
>Teclis is Benedict Cumberbatch

>>52464715
To be fair, Bendydick does look like an elf.

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>>52464480

I am now fully erect.

>>52464604

Large expansions like this are often packaged as a sequel because it sells better.

People can look at TW:W 2 and think, a) I can jump into the series here and b) It must have been successful because there are two of them.

>>52464715
Fuck, was thinking the same thing.

>>52464715

Cucumber Cabbagepatch.

Level 4 wizard

M5
WS 7
BS5
S4
T4
W3
I2
LD 10

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>>52464844
>>52464819
It fits!

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>Those artwork looking saurus rather than the shitty models
>That slann hat
>That carnosaur roar

10000000000/10

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> Defend your world.
> Destroy there's.

Are CA our guys?

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>>52464480
>High Elves and Lizardmen
>Killing Worst Elves and NORTHKOREANFURRIES

Glorious.

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>>52464669
Its a "sequel" that functions like an expansion.

Like how some movies, Blair Witch 2, have nothing to do with the original but are sold as sequels, or how Lord Of The Rings is technically The Hobbit 2, 3, and 4.

Its an expansion called a sequel.

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>nothing personal, elf-things

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>>52465085
>HE allied with Lizardmen

Its everything I wanted in End Times.

I know you have marketing spies here, CA. I love you. I will preorder the expensive set.

>>52465199

Oh man look at that frog skin, I wanna touch it.

>>52465331

Looks like a toad made entirely from ball-sack skin.

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Well, we know the HE plot.

Teclis is empowering the Vortex with the Caledor the Dragontamer mages.

Meaning...Caledor the Dragontamer confirmed.

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>>52465085
>saurus warrior resculpt never
feels bad, man

>>52464480
>that carnosaur rider
my dick

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>>52465380
MUTHAFUCKIN TREX!

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>>52465478

>>52465478
I'm glad that they are flat.

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>>52465447

Have some HD

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>>52465599

They should have gone for the classic look.

Strippers with butter-knives.

>>52465612
finally there will be an RTS where my commander is a dinosaur riding another dinosaur

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>>52465478

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>>52465478

>flat or worse, trannies

ew

>>52465695
those are small implants bro

>>52465695
That's pretty much how these dark elves have been portrayed most of the time.

>>52465640
Khorne Elves mod when?

Also, if they make Morathi Slaaneshi again and split her into her own faction later like Vlad and Isabella I'll buy the next game immediately too.

>>52465695
To be fair, imagine having to try and animate boob jiggle alongside everything else.

>>52465735
will likely be a dlc in Warhammer 3, when chaos gets fleshed out

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>>52465695
T-that's not actually a tranny, right?

>>52465778
How will they even add Daemons to the main map?

Can't wait for screencaps of players who refuse to ally with Archaon and kill him with Nurglings.

>>52465837
the first thing I'm going to do is drop rocks on his stupid fat head

>>52465904
Wait for Be'lakor.

Oh man, the salt will be immense.

>>52465695
>not appreciating sweet tiny teets

>>52465695

Most professional athletes are like wafers though.

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>>52464141
>Can the Lore of Ice actually be used outside of Kislev? I thought that it was bound to the land by utilizing the residues of the Winds of Magic within the frost of Kislev.

Speaking purely WHFRP2ed Mechanically yes it can be used outside of Kislev the only actual restriction is that you have to take the Ice Witch career path which is only female. It wouldn't be every fun over wise, given it's a roleplay game.

(This maybe completely different in the lore or other games. )

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Requesting pic related but with trailer's slann and witchelf.

>>52466458

If you used the female wojak it would be 95% done.

>>52466458

Could also work with a roman, considering the reaction.

>>52465199
>OUT OF MY JUNGLE RRRREEEEEEEEEEEE

>>52464715
>>52464721
>>52464819
>>52464844

>Orion is mel gibson
>Bendthatdick is teclis.
pretty good.

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>>52466647

Who will be Mortathi though?

>>52466693
Angelina Jolie
>everyone considers her sexy but looking at her makes me wanna throw up.

Or maybe some british actress.

>>52466458
Make it a Sigmarine instead.

>>52466693
Lena Headey.

Who will be Alarielle, Tyrion and Hellebron?

>>52466693
Scarlet Joe.

After GitS she won't be doing anything but ablack Widow for awhile.

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>>52466794
Missed pic.

>>52466794
Emma Watson, also Cumberbundt, and a homeless woman found outside the studio.

Who plays Karl, Vlad, and Mannfred?

>>52466837
who is karl's VA?

https://youtu.be/XeE2ezj35jQ

DO YOU AGREE?

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>>52466837
>Tyrion
Michael Fassbender
>Karl
Sam Warthington or Tom Hardy
>Vlad
Harry Oldman
>Mannfred
Vin Diesel
>Archaon
Ben Affleck
>Nagash
Andy Serkis

oh boy, more fucking age of skub vs skubtasy discussion

>>52466993
Tyrion and Teclis have to be the same actor.

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>>52467086
...wut.

>>52467310
They are not identical twins or do they? Tyrion was described as weathered and weaker compared to Tyrion who is high elf superhuman.

>>52467350
Teclis was described*

>>52467350
no, they are not.
all elfs look similar to humans anyway.

>>52467350
They are identical other than Teclis being born sickly.

After he became Loremaster, AKA after the time of Magnus the Pious, he has been strong enough that its hard to see as long as he is holding his staff due to it giving him good vibes.

>>52467350
iirc they have different hair colors and tyrion looks like aenarion before he got corrupted by his blade

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Did that prophecy that Malekith worried about ever come to fruition in the actual lore, even during the End Times?

>And lo, he shall rule with a dark hand and his shadow shall touch upon every land. Steel will be his skin and fire will be his blood, in hatred will he conquer all before him. No blade forged of Man, Dwarf or Elf shall endure him fear. Though will it come to pass that the firstborn son of noble blood shall rise to power. The child will be learned in the darkest arts and he will raise an army of terrible beasts. Thus will the Dark King fall, slain by neither blade nor arrow but by a sorcerous power of darkest magic and so shall his body be consumed in the flames and for all eternity burn.

>>52468348
Its about Tyrion?

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>>52468380
Did Tyrion learn sorcery?

T9A has a contest for a short story for a Lizardmen special character. Anyone doing it?

http://www.the-ninth-age.com/news/index.php?news/559-the-first-saurian-ancients-story-contest/&s=20f949e9a4c719a143ff85d8709d86ecbc34a12e

>>52468440
No.
>>52468348
According to AoSfags Teclis helping Lileath doomed the world and that Malekith "died" before being reborn fused with his dragon as the god of Shadow.

So no.

>>52465294
Slaan have always been allied with the HEs
they're the ones who taught the HEs magic the first place

>>52465294
the thing is that was free for all you stupid nigger

>>52469000
wrong wrong.

>>52469841
More wrong. The lore says that the Elves learned magic on the laps of the Old Ones.

>>52464141
>>52466444
It is harder to use Ice Magic outside of Kislev but still possible. By WFRP2e mechanics:
If ice witch wants to cast a spell outside of Kislev (and so without help of Ancient Widow) she must first succeed at normal channelling test and gains no points to her casting number with it.

>>52468451

I'm not really fussed about T9A lore so I'll probably pass, not that I'm Shakespeare anyway.

>>52470134
Where did you get that information? Is that from the new fluff?
I remember reading nearly a decade ago that the Slaan taught the Helves what they knew.

>>52466781
kill yourself

>>52470268
8th ED armybooks, IIRC.

>>52466990
The guy who made this video is a retard who doesn't know what hes talking about.

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Warhammer Wikia has passed the 4000 mark.

Well done if anyone contributors are in here.

If I get my arse in gear I might try myself sometime.

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>>52464480
HNNNG

Can't wait to slaughter filthy lizards and pansy High Elves and "ally" with Skaven. Malekith looks nice.

I'm hyped. This is the first time I've been excited for something in years.

>>52471197
Do you think there will be an incest-mechanic?

>>52471067
Wasn't the lexicanum older and better wiki?
Or it have changed?

>>52466993
>Karl
>Not Arnold
But thats wrong

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Is the new novel mega up yet?

Has the Empire ever worked with the Vampires or the Lizardmen for whatever reason?

>>52470304
Admit it, it would be funny.

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>>52470714
What do you disagree with?

>>52471623
>Vampires
Only Genevieve. Thanks to older continuity she is the only openly accepted vampire, although she had to get pic related by Magnus to get it.

>Lizardmen
No. The Empire is almost entirely unaware of their true nature and likely to dismiss it even if they found out. The Empire mostly just gets attacked by them when they send expeditions to Lustria and piss them off somehow, usually by stealing something.

Teclis and Malekith, and the few Elves who believe them, are among the only beings who know the truth of them. Not counting Caledor the Dragontamer and his Mages anyway.

>>52471696
I see. Thank you my friend.

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>>52471623
The Empire only worked with vampires willingly during the End Times; before that, the best you could really get is trying to fluff out Empire-style regiments serving in Slyvania.

As a whole, the relationship with the Lizardmen has been antagonistic - people sail across the ocean looking for gold or relics, the Lizardmen don't want those taken and fight them off. But occasionally the Lizardmen will try and work with humans - against a common enemy, for the sake of defending an area or retaking a relic (the former of which was the reason for Pizarro's Lost Legion's survival), or when they want to know something that in their isolation/busy-with-defending-Lustria state, they can't find the answer to.

>>52471696
dark crusade was a standalone game not an expansion
warhammer DIDNT deliver all it promised to deliver in fact EA rushed the release by a year or two and cut 50% of the content
half the promised classes werent even available for several months after launch

>>52471696
>>52471787
>>52471808
Lizardmen could work with the Empire if you accept the Lustria campaign as canon. No real other reason to colonize it other than to get involved directly in the Old World.

>>52471899
So thry made two errors, making him a retard who doesn't know what he's talking about?

While two admittedly egregious errors are bad, it sounded as if you implied the bulk of it was incorrect.

>>52471924
>some shitty mobile game is a "bad-ass" or in other words good warhammer game
>90% of the video is just cinematics
>the host of the video is clearly reading quick descriptions of the games from wikipedia
>spouting unresearched claims
you linked some shitty buzzfeed tier video and expected for some moronic reason to get genuine answer while your op was nothing more than /v/-esqe bait post
and now you seem fit to defend the video as though you have some vested interest in it
tell me, did you actually like that video enough to warrant this sort of dedication?

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https://youtu.be/QUFAqa3gzl4?t=1262
from min21 there're some more models and animations

I am so hype I can't contain myself

>>52472734

Make a skink on his shoulder who actually gives the speech.

>>52472734
>those animalistic animations

I'm in love. I was never really interested in Lizardmen, but now I at least want to fight them.

>>52472774
will do, I was in fact wondering how to fill the space there, thanks

>>52472485
Warhammer Fantasy beat out 40k, what's not to like?

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Is this AoS art? I don't remember seeing it before, but its actually good.

>>52473433
you like the video because they put total warhammer in the first spot? you're pathetic

>>52473714
Total War Warhammer is the best Warhammer related game

>>52473624
If you enjoy He-Man and throwing up yellow glow sticks.

>>52473847
>>52473624

nvm I'm retarded, that's def WFB art tho. Thought you were asking if AoS art in general was good.

>>52473749
I'm actually hoping that Man O' War: Corsair will be pretty fun. I haven't played it, but I've been following it - it seems to be going in the right directions.

>>52474019
It is good. Fantastic mix of Sid Meir's Pirates and Mount & Blade Warband.

Its getting better every update. Every Wind of Magic wizard is in the game now.

>>52474019
Its quite good. Very...rough on the edges though.

exactly how broken (or not) were elves in WHFB? I never played old warhammer and started with AOS playing elves.

anyways long story short, some anon had a mini autistic freak out in /aos general about how he hoped elves suck forever in that game because they were too strong in this game.

were elves in whfb really that good?

>>52464604
After TW2 which is basically an expansion, all that will be left for tabletop factions are Ogres and Tomb Kings

Since Lizardmen, High/Dark Elves, and Skaven are next I suspect TW3 will have Ogres, Tomb Kings, Chaos Dwarves, and Daemons

>>52471301
lexicanum is terrible for fantasy

>>52471301
Lexicanum is good for 40k, and it's still kind of good for Fantasy. But it's a bit outdated, and doesn't have near as many articles as it could or should.

>>52474359
High Elves have been broken on and off, Dark Elves usually high tier, WE suffered for a ling time though before 8e nade the mediocre RIGHT as the game was squatted.

>>52474359
Banner Of The World Dragon.

Basically a middle finger to magic and magic heavy armies.

>>52474359
It's pretty much guaranteed at least one of the elf armies was completely broken in any given edition.

Nowt you can really do about that when there's three of them.

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So what does everyone think of CA'S take on the Witch-King? Pretty creepy, but badass. I like it,

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>>52475568
Matches the model at least.

I prefer the old look where you could see his face, but oh well.

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>>52456475
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rsKau-h5OGs

Anyone else get Dark Elf vibes from watching the Daughters of Aku (Khaine) training?

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So Ariel and Alarielle are both avatars of Isha and the Lady of the Lake is the goddess Lileath?

Do I understand this correctly?

Also is Morgiana Le Fay human or elf?

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>>52475664
The mask isn't a new thing though.

>>52475708
>So Ariel and Alarielle are both avatars of Isha and the Lady of the Lake is the goddess Lileath?

Yes.

>Also is Morgiana Le Fay human or elf?

Elf.

>>52475743
Thank you.

Total War pulled me back to the tabletop and I'm trying to figure out the setting and characters again. I never gave the elves much thought before which probably explains why I was so lost years ago when I read ET: Khaine

>>52471282
Dark elf resource will good boy points and tendies.

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>>52475737
I know, I'm just more into the times they showed him without it.

>>52475708
Original canon was that Ariel was (?) and the Everqueens are the direct line from Isha and when they get pissed off all the past Everqueens and Isha all merge into one being in the Everqueen's mortal body. The Lady was definitely an Elf goddess, but it wasn't any specific one.

The retcon from End Times is that the Everqueens are only direct descendants and nothing else, but after Lileath/The Lady killed Isha/Ariel the Everqueen was able to literally consume her soul and become a living demigod.

>>52475903
Don't fucking bother, ET: Khaine was the worst part of End Times other than the literal end.

Just read the 8e Elf army books and High Elf Heraldry.

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>>52476017
I personally prefer the depictions - as rare as they were - where his face was dark - you couldn't actually see it, just glowing eyes, usually green. I know it's kind of overplayed, but I thought it was threatening to have a faceless enemy, like how Darth Vader is more imposing for his mask than for the face beneath. It makes him a foreboding figure, with a hint of dark magic about him, instead of another evil elven noble. And it also fits Malekith in a way - he wouldn't want to show his scars, his weakness, and he seems too dour for a beautiful mask.

>>52476205
You could accomplish both with the same model with a different paint job.

Too bad they never made a Malekith on food. We got four Mannfreds, and only one Malekith.

>>52474371
yo anon in tw2 it's confirmed high and dark elves, lizards and rats.

HOWEVER on the faq and steam page it claims the map extends to include the southlands.

Now what unlives in the dusty southlands deserts apart from araby.

tomb kids confirmed, just likely to be dlc

>>52477097

The video with the lizardmen animations even mentions that they've got jungles and deserts in the new game.

>>52477097
>tomb kids confirmed, just likely to be dlc
Most likely the pre-order DLC they talked about.

I've been reading the Knights of the Grail book, and here's something simple I don't get:

Does Bretonnia use money? It seems like all their taxes are done through agriculture tithes, or perhaps other resources. They don't even know what to do with merchants when it comes to taxes.

How can they get a medieval economy working in the context of their closest neighbors using a system much closer to the modern period - with the beginnings of industry and money-based trade?

>>52473624
looks fanart to me

>>52477097

Southlands usually distinguishes itself from Araby/land of the dead

>>52478086
Simple, the WHFB world just ain't all that realistic. It's about putting armies together and having them fight, not worrying about the transition from a barter economy to a monetary one.

>>52478086
You have to remember that Warhammer was originally parody, written by guys who taught college history that mixed it with Moorcock and D&D then dialed up things to 11 for humor.

Remember that Bretonnia hasn't had an update since 6e lorewise.
Remember that it was only in 4e that Bretonnia was pre-Napoleonic and at war with the Empire until suddenly becoming Arthurian luddites that are just prissy neighbors who never do anything noteworthy.

>>52474359

In 8th ed:

HE were beyond broken: strongest banner in the game, strongest monster in the game, another quite good monster (both flew, so good luck redirecting them), infantry that hit like a truck, ridiculous magic phase, good chariots and cavalry

DE were good, but I do not know them very well, I only know that their Warlocks were considered to be one of the best units in the game

WE were...strange. Very versatile, the most diverse magic of everyone, and they were prett good at it. Solid shooting, bordering on the op (poisonous BS4 core troops), very strong cavalry

>>52478306

>18th century Bretonnia

That sounds kinda neat. Though looking it up pre 4th isn't pre napoleonic so much as French contemporary to the HRE Empire, I think?

http://www.warseer.com/forums/showthread.php?18476-The-Evolution-of-Bretonnia

Cannons and mortars, still knights aplenty, someone says they were trying to colonize and explore Lustria in 5th edition, better navy than the empire.

Could be neat if they had a kind of French wars of religion angle by making Bretonnian society ripped apart by a feuding of maybe the old lady of the lake faith and some new religion.

Instead we have ________________ >>52466781

>>52478383

For us warhammer TW fags, between HE and DE: Who has better infantry of the line, who has better non magical ranged, who has better cavalry, who has better flying cavalry? Dark elves have monstrous infantry (with those sea creatures like Kharybdis) and I assume high elves have none except for the star dragon?

>>52478398

On tabletop, DE had Hydras and the strange sea beast, HE had dragons (only on heroes or lords), Phoenixes (fire and ice based, the ice one was totally bonkers)

Neither had proper "monstrous infantry", but both had very good monsters

>>52478410

Sorry yeah I guess it'd be large monsters, not monstrous infantry.

>>52478398
It's a weird mix of 16th century and 17th century - there's a Sun King figure, the nobility is treated more like Versailles style courts and and nobles who are rich along with country nobles who are poor as dirt with little more than a sword and honor, but the army itself was much more medieval all in all - bombards, yes, but still knights and 100 Years War style infantry.

At that time it was a bit more 'everything French,' not 'King Arthur with some French ladeled over it.'

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>>52478398
High Elves for the most part had the best everything. Their only weaknesses were lack of high Strength and Toughness anything other than their monsters, but that "weakness" applies to most armies in the game as well. THE best magic, THE best magic items, THE best cavalry, THE best flyers. Your assumption is really wrong, since High Elves got the huge fucking Phoenix models in 8th edition and even before that their Lion Chariots were far better than most of the monsters in the game for point cost. That's on top of a mobile artillery piece/flying chariot with good stats.
Their only rivals for "best army in the game" were Vampire Counts (which had more hard counters), Skaven (who have a chance of more or less losing regardless of all else based on poor luck), and Warriors Of Chaos. The only major hard counter to High Elves that always works was actually was a magic item from Ogre Kingdoms. Not counting cannons which are a hard counter to everything.

Dark Elves were stuck being High Elves but not as good. Less goodies, most of the rest of their stuff is palette-swaps with slightly different unimportant special abilities.

Wood Elves, until their 8e update which was pretty much the very end of the life of Warhammer Fantasy, sucked pretty hard. Even during their previous heyday, they were below Dark Elves. After their update they were like "what if Tomb Kings got buffed" where your army is flimsy and actually has to support between units to function.

Many people hated High Elf players as well as Skaven since those were the armies that tryhard assholes flocked to, and the longterm players of both armies became snooty and defensive as a result.

>>52478859
That picture somehow disqualifies everything you just said.

>>52478859

So basically you can play high elf or slightly dark elf and actually have heavy infantry of the line, not just be forced into flighty combat? Neato.

Though I'm surprised to hear VC are good because in that 1d4chan summary I read it said they were pretty ehhh

>>52479003

VC were THE counter to elf armies, since they simply won't run, outnumber you 10 to 1, and a sufficient number of zombie will eat your elite guard one after the other.

>>52479003
>believing 1d4chan memes

You shouldn't do that.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r2IBtsnkiq8

Why did GW never update the old High Elf spearmen or archer kits? The Dark Elves were pretty much all redone but instead the HE get phoenixes or skychariots...

>>52479642
>Why did GW never update the old High Elf spearmen or archer kits?
They didn't update most of the orcs, the zombies and the free companies. Lots of chaos stuff wasn't updated either. Not to mention Brets and beastmen.

>>52479205
is there a good place to check 8th ed tactics?

>>52471301

Lexicanum Fantasy has something like 1500 arts. and most of them a very short.

The Germany Fantasy section is okay and the 40K side is much better but the English Fantasy side is bare-bones as fuck.

>>52479790
1d4chan is decent enough imo, but you can go to each race's specific forum, all of them should have their own tactics page

You should download the armybooks too, as the costs and full stats are not especifically written

>>52471582

Soon, I'm working though new novels to make sure I upload the best version of each novel.

I also have a new job so it's taking longer than expected.

>>52472734

When was this filmed?

Look at all those Warhammer Fantasy packages behind him.

>>52470268
>>52469841
As I see it Hoeth/ the Old Ones taught them how to use magic, but the Slann taught them some techniques like the Vortex.

We know Caledor was in correspondence with the Slann.

>>52473624

That's fan art.

Also nothing in it really makes it stand out as AoS.

>>52479899
that's the design room of TWW, it has been shown a few times before. I guess GW shipped them ALL the models for this project.

>>52479923

Damn. I can't deny that some hope flared for a moment there.

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>>52476249
It isn't hard to cutom one nowdays.

>>52478086

Well. Is it an ebook? If so post it please.

It could work. France always lagged behind the German states and Belgium in terms of mercantilism.

What you would find is that, Bretonnian states on the boarder are more likely to operate a cash nexus. The peasants who work the land still owe the Lord a tithe, but instead of payment in kind, they will take the lands produce to the market and give the Lord a cut from the money. They may even sell some of the food they would have eaten, in order to buy meat or some luxury goods.

This was a rare occurrence in real history and they would have been very well off peasants but it did happen. Particularity in areas where feudalism was giving way to cottage industry. Usually near towns which needed materials, the peasants could spin for them in the crop off season.

How exchange rates work etc. would be another problem but not impassable in anyway.

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>>52479995
first thing I do when the Full Map becomes available, Is take all my Black Arks and raze Norsca for being chaos worshipping Impostors.

Fuck Ulthuan, who needs that Cursed Rock when Naggaroth is three times the size.

The helfs can keep their Island, I'll make Elves Great Again!

>>52479372
I'll take it this is an April fools.

>>52479790

There are extensive handbooks for nearly ever race.

>>52480028
Ulthuan is the only place with no Skaven.
Enjoy your rats.

>>52480117
there aren't really many Skaven in Naggaroth. It's also not like they'd be much of a Problem if theDruchii put their mind to it.

>>52470268
You are indeed correct about that. The Slann tought magic to the elves according to pre 8th edition lore, which I too am a bigger fan of.

>>52465170
I see what you and possibly they did there; pretty awesome.

What would be the ideal aesthetics for a Cathay army without being lol Romance of the three Kingdoms?

>>52479205

I ignore the blatant memes but I was using it to get a synopsis sense of the tactics or armies since I didn't play warham fantasy.

>>52479039

I'd see that with wood elves since lol projectiles vs undead but I figure elfs would have means to snipe the leaders with lots of ranged lots of flying and good magic. I'd think VC would be more anti-chaos since tarpits would fuck over their melee focus, and if Chaos has spookifying abilities it'd be for little against the living dead.

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>tfw Total Warhammer 2 will never have a raiding and slaving mechanic as satisfying as the geheimnisnacht mod

What do my Friends?

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>>52480529
Praise and fap to the Queen.

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>mfw someone mentions ayy elves

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>>52480387
From the limited images available, Cathay seems to be late Ming/Early Qing dynasty, so that's a starting point.

I'd say they could do with more queue hairstyles and fu manchu moustaches to distance them from the earlier chinese stuff. It's a bit stereotypical but what the fuck, this is Warhammer.

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>>52471322
Arnold is too old, he is only fit for playing old bearded Sigmar.

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>>52480560
I like both Ayy and Normal Elves. I like to think that some Regions like Sapphyre and Ellyrion are more Ayy while other Kingdoms like Chrace and Caledor are more humanoid looking.

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>>52480580

I see plenty of potential for fun stuff using china's experiments on gunpowder, some of which would be hilariously fitting for the setting.

I mean look at this shit

Maybe also keep the chariot rather than completely replacing it with cavalry?

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>>52480387
From the odd bits of lore that have been given about Cathay, they make heavy use of terracotta automatons, bronze cannons (that shot bronze javelins for some reason), enchanted fireworks (which created illusory figures in their explosions), one-horned ogres, stone temple-dogs and onyx crow-men, "Dragon-blooded Shugengan [that] hurled white fire and blizzards of murderous ice shards," bejeweled Gold Dragons, and finally at least some standard human warriors with swords and emerald green back-banners.

I agree with the other anon that they should have a Qing or Ming aesthetic (perhaps with a too liberal does of Japanese and Korean), but it sounds like they make a lot more use of fantastical creatures than you'd expect, as well as gunpowder. This is not China of the Three Kingdoms (around 100-200ish CE), but a fantastical early-modern China like around 1600-1800 CE - you can get away with such a late date since they were grossly medieval in tactics for a while.

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>>52480600
That's an interesting way to look at it. I guess too many people do think of the elves as all looking the same depending on if they're High, Wood or Dark. They could use some racial variety.

>>52480941

>they make heavy use of terracotta automatons
>stone temple-dogs and onyx crow-men

After reading about th Jade Blooded, I like to believe that these guys brought the practice of animating statues from Nehekara to Cathay. I just love when you can track stuff like that "historically" in a fantasy setting, also making the concept feel more believable and less of a random gimmick because lolChina.

Terracota soldiers in particular sound interesting, using hardened clay makes them economical enough for mass production, but not resilent or quick-witted enough to outright replace flesh and blood soldiers. And of course, limited by the need to have a wizard present and the fact that the wizard's demise puts them out of the game in one move.

>>52479856
>The Germany Fantasy section is okay
this always surprised me, I always imagined the pages in other languages were just translations of the english one

>>52481090

Well Fantasy has had more influence in Germany + eastern Europe, for obvious reasons. Just look at their Warhammer LARPing community.

>>52481061
It might have been them, but it does also mention something about how "strange creatures of living stone swam down the jade walls of the tower and through the rocky ground as if it were water." I didn't include that in the earlier post since I wasn't sure if it was referring to the temple dogs, the crow-men, or something else entirely.

Anyway, I do agree that tracing the history of a fantasy setting makes it feel far better than just things existing for no particular reason. I haven't read Jade-Blooded, so I don't really know much about what you're referring to, but I think Cathay's been implied to be working alongside vampires or even Skaven at times, or there are corrupt elements that would eagerly embrace learning from vampires or such, that would later be killed but the ideas they took slowly being worked in a 'clean' form. Dark Elves raid it on occasion after they get bored with the more traditional raiding targets, so they're not totally isolated from everything else that goes on. Magic seems to be surprisingly common in Cathay - lots of animated statues and enchanted fireworks and such. I'd like to imagine it's some sort of Confucius-style learning of magic, mainly based around Heavens.

>>52481201

In short, Jade blooded are the vampire bloodline originated from an advisor in Lahmia's court that was obsessed with laws, regulations and good maners, creating a hilariously long and convoluted code of conduct. They happened to be on a diplomatic mission when they heard about Lahmia's doom so they just went to Cathay without working under Nagash.

The name comes because they're so addicted to narcotics and whatever drugs they can find that their blood turned into a neon green that shines through their skin.

>>52480028

I'm sure he could squeeze some more black and gold onto his armour if he tried.

>>52480387

https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1084608523/dragon-empire-tabletop-army

More Nippon than Cathay but the dragon and the dogs are usable.

>>52480076
I hope it's real, that was pretty funny.

>>52479372

Motherfucker I'd PAY for this.

>>52480600
One way I like to look at it is that elves physically look like ayys, but that subconscious "glamour" effect they all give off makes them look more attractive to whoever they're taking to. That's why humans see them as perfect versions of themselves. I also think part of the effect is heightening suggestibility so others can trust them/be deceived easier. Dwarfs are unaffected by this glamour which is why they see the elves as the gross pricks they really are.

DISCLAIMER: Fan theory, headcanon

>>52482789
that reminds me of the Asari from Mass Effect, and I'm not really a fan of that fan theory, but to each their own I guess.

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>>52481201
>>52481279
Here's the article mentioned.
It's actually not quite official. The material's cut from Night's Dark Masters. Same authors but not officially published.

Although with Warhammer now totally kaput, the distinction seems rather less important.

>>52483125
I honestly don't know how I feel about those bloodlines. They don't really seem much like vampires at all, though I'm sure they're based on something.

Is there any reason it wasn't published?

>>52482789
Do pictures transport this "glamour" effect? Pictures from their point of view? "Objective" point of view?

>>52483207

I don't really dig the Mahtmasi, but the jade blooded feel pretty Big Trouble in Little China., and I like it.

>>52483125

I believe there was also an un published book on Nippon for 1st edition that everyone uses for their info on Nippon.

I say if it doesn't contradict anything we can take it at face value.

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>>52483207

Jiangshi motherfucker, you can even make so the actual vampires only use the robes while their undead servants have the iconic forehead talisman thing

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>>52483483

It also fits right in with the Ming/Qing aesthetic

>>52478879
No, it accurately reflects Banner Of The World Dragon.

>>52481119
It's what D&D was for the USA, isn't it?

>>52483483

3X3 eyes, the only anime I've ever watched.

>>52479694
>the free companies

You cannot improve perfection

God dammit, I've been a huge fan of Warhammer Fantasy since I was a kid, I love the hell out of it, the IP rarely ever get games and when they do most of them are lackluster, now that Total Warhammer is out I really want to play it, but
>$60 dlc
>on top of the new expansion coming out
>cheatest I could find it is $25 on G2A
end my life

>>52480432
VC were anti-everyone, they were one of the best armies in the game. They also had more synergy than HE did, making VC better in the hands of a skilled player.

>>52484022
Anyone know if TW has been cracked yet?

>>52483237
Just different artists making Elves look varying degrees of Cumberbatch or ayy.

To be fair there's virtually no mention of ayy in canon lore other than like two Black Library references, and there's far more saying everyone sees them as perfect. Its Eldar lore that has them looking like ayy to humanity, but sadly 40k canon gets mixed into Fantasy like shitty Subway workers dropping pickles into the olive bin.

>>52484126
Not yet.

>>52484022
>>52484126
Just wait to buy it on sale.

I got it for $40 months ago, and only bought the character expansion DLC because none of the DLC factions are ones I cared about on the tabletop.

You don't need to buy every race, just the ones you want to play. By the time you're done with the good factions, the other ones should be on sale. Steam summer sale maybe, or Christmas.

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>>52484139
I remember only descriptions about her "hakwish feautures", prolonged faces, somewhere almond shaped eyes were mentioned that the art barely shows, also dark eyes (wfrp 1ed) and the beauty aspect coming from their elegant movement instead of them just looking like supermodels with pointy ears. The "perfect" elves might be from black library books as well. Though as it is with these things you are always free to chose which is your canon, as long as it doesn't heavily conflict with already established things.

Fuck, I'm pretty sure that I made the same arguments in an Eldar-look discussion before. That's why I rather go from the army books, even though they hire different artists I always imagine that for these the artists work closer together with GW than most black library authors, who can make their own shit up. And even though the art can different, I imagine that you can see some kind of GWs "vision" through every artist. And there I can find my beloved ayys

>>52484440
For art it's probably more of a "rule of cool" thing where everything gets a pass as long as it looks good regardless of fiting any vision. You gotta sell a product after all. If it makes teenagers believe the army is cool it will be in the army book eveb if it actively contradicts the text. Or the text will be edited to fit the cool art.

>>52484541
"The Rule Of Blanche"

>>52484541
Early on the artists were given free reign to do whatever they wanted, as were sculptors. You didn't really have dedicated sketch artists for minis or any direction from the higher ups for the most part.
Like if every Reaper mini was part of the same game.

The sculptors started taking cues from the game book artists though, which fucked GW sideways during the great Malal debacle.

>>52484440

The way I see it they are both.

Ayy and beautiful Elves don't seem to contradict each other so it can just be varieties of appearance.

Same for the eyes, Kerillion in Vermintide has solid black eyes and that came out 2 years ago.

>>52484541
For me this doesn't really contradict anything because nowhere I've seen a description stating: "they have perfectly fine 100% human-like facial feautures + pointy ears". Furthermore in the same edition there were other pictures done by the same artist I assume, the style is just too similar looking less extreme, so there is always the possibility for their looks being more diverse than we think. The elf I posted might be an ugly fuckface for them and he suffers because of this

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>>52484824
But they're more human-shaped eyes, and her face isn't as long and narrow as some of the Ayys. She's more a middle ground if anything.

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>>52484824
I wish the black eyes were really hard canon. To me an elf must be recognizable as an elf or at least as different from a human without looking at the pointy ears, and the black eyes do a great job at that.

This is the same Waywatcher for the Warhammer Quest card game, and this design doesn't excite me at all. Yes, black eyes would make it more fapable

What do Khorne Champions and Bloodknight Vampires think of each other?

>>52484969

Chaos and Vampires generally do not get on very well.

>>52484996
This is why I specified two very similar subgroups.

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>>52484919

Well apart from fan art we've never really seen her full face. She could be ayying it up under the hood.

>>52484955
It should certainly be an option, but it'd be shit to say every Elf has them.

For one, it would look like shit on miniatures if every Elf had them. It just looks like you gave up trying to paint eyes. Its fine for every third or fourth to have it, but you need variation.

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>>52484919
>But they're more human-shaped eyes
No.

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>>52485044
Looks vaguely Mongolian.

>>52485025
Vampire souls are completely immune to Chaos, and Vampires are already stronger than anyone other than a Daemon Prince but have far more freedom than a DP could ever have.

So as a result Chaos has very little to offer them in the long term. Short term goals maybe, but that's it. Since its already the goal of Blood Knights to not have to drink blood, the Blood God actually isn't that appealing.

>>52485044
Asian.
>>52484440
Cumberbatch's Asian children.

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>>52484919

>>52485070
Read my post again.
I never asked if BK vampires want to be Khorne Champions.

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>>52485044
Have you never seen an Asian girl? 'Almond shaped eyes,' I think the term is?

That is nothing like what we get in stuff like pic related, especially when their heads just seem more triangular.

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>>52485033
Kerillian is cute CUTE!

>>52485198
Sorry, I misread it.

The answer is that we have no canon interaction other than the clusterfuck that is End Times where for some reason every Blood Dragon other than Abhorash suddenly goes Khorne at the last second, and Abhorash soloes the entire rest of the Bloodline alongside the Green Knight.

That shitpile aside, not well. Blood Dragons have a sense of nobility and honor, to the degree Bretonnians grudgingly respect them. Although in early continuity honor was supposed to be part of Khorne since the Chaos Gods are a mix of everything so all war inclinations are part of him, later canon turned Chaos into snickering Saturday morning cartoon villains so almost all Khornates are just ragemonsters that can barely string words together and the remainders are mustache-twirlers.

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>>52485324
Still just Asian Cumberbatch.

Not exactly ayy in any way, just extreme facial proportions.

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>he doesn't think this is perfection

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>>52485442
In 40k Guilliman is elf connoisseur, as WHFB Gilles.
>mfw they have similar name

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>>52485336

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>>52485442
Not even joking, that makes me decidedly uncomfortable. Everything's just a little bit wrong all over.

>>52485033
>>52485336
>TW:WH is out for a year,
>No cosplay
why is this allowed?

>>52485336
Nothing that's been repeatedly RATTED can be considered cute.

>>52485500
Its just the eyes.

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>>52485500
Real name is Stina Olsson.

>>52485507
Cosplayers generally like characters, which TW:WH doesn't really have, just generic 1-man battlefield units with a backstory/mission chain.

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>>52485507

There's loads of cosplay.

I think a fair amount of it was paid for by the game company though, as they often do these days.

>>52485516
No, it's not just that - the chin is impossibly long and narrow, and the whole face is just a little too narrow - the nose is thin, the mouth is small, the ears look weirdly large...

A face isn't that big - it doesn't take that much to skew it and make it look completely different or just plain weird.

>>52485500
Because the eyes aren't 3D, so they just look like two holes looking into a black void in her skull, not like actual pure-black eyes.

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>>52485511

> That file name.

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>>52483125
>>52483435
Here: https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B63rIuFhh29eZWNkMGIyMzEtYWViYi00M2Q4LWE5MjgtOGIyYTU1Njg2ZmIw/view

Pic related is all I could scrounge up from early tabletop editions. All things considered, Yamato (known to you foreigners as 'Nippon') could truly be fleshed out with little effort.

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>>52485507
Sod it.

>>52485568
Still not very alien.

Alien things are strikingly inhuman, things that have never been human. That's barely even fey.

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>>52485600

Here's that text.

I don't know if it was official and unreleased or fan made early in Dave Morrison's career.

>>52484022

>love an IP
>company puts its heart and soul into bringing that IP to life in a fantastic franchise that will provide you hundreds of hours of entertainment for the next few years
> cant be bothered to part with a few models worth of shekels to buy the product

Being inconcievably poor is your only excuse senpai

>>52485711
My understanding while tracking it down was that it is official but never got released due to GW decision-making, although I'm no expert in these things.

>>52485772

Oh sorry, I didn't realise that's what was in the link.

>>52485754
>company puts its heart and soul into
I hope you don't honestly believe this.

>>52485960

Not him but you should pay a fair days pay for a fair days work.

Video games have been getting nothing but cheaper, back in the early 90's you'd pay £35 for a 16 bit game that 8 guys in a basement had made, and that was in 1990's £ before inflation.

>>52485754
spending over a hundred dollars on a single game and the content that should have been released with it doesnt make you a dedicated fan supporting an Ip
it makes you a retard
also
>CA and FI putting their hearts into anything
lmao
>>52486009
>Video games have been getting nothing but cheaper
wrong
>fair days work.
double wrong

>>52486035

> Wrong.

Not an argument.

Explain.

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>>52486035
>An NES game in 1990 cost, on average, about $50. That’s $89 in 2013 money. Your $70 N64 cartridges in 1998 would require the equivalent of $100 today. Heck, the $50 PlayStation 2 game you bought in 2005 is worth $60, the exact price of a typical retail game in 2013. This isn't to say that salaries (or hourly pay) have kept up with inflation and the cost-of-living -- it decidedly hasn't -- but it is to say that, dollar-to-dollar over the past 35 years, gaming hardware and software is generally cheaper than ever.

>Hardware in particular is where differences in cost – when accounting for inflation – is extremely pronounced. The PlayStation 3 may have seemed expensive when it launched at $599.99 in 2006 – and it was – but it’s not the most expensive mainstream gaming console. That honor goes to the Atari 2600. Launched in September of 1977, the Atari 2600 cost $199.99. When taking into account the 258.9 percent inflation rate between 1977 and 2013, the Atari 2600 cost the equivalent of $771 today. ("Mainstream" gaming hardware typically had to sell over 10 million units in totality, or currently be on the market.)

>Tracking Nintendo home consoles since the release of the NES in 1985 further illustrates this. Though the NES launched at a totally reasonable $199.99 that year, $199.99 was a significant sum of money in the mid-‘80s. The inflation rate since 1985 is a staggering 117.4 percent, meaning that the NES is actually the most expensive Nintendo console ever released ($199.99 in 1985 equals $434.69 in 2013).

http://www.ign.com/articles/2013/10/15/the-real-cost-of-gaming-inflation-time-and-purchasing-power

I can cite proof. Can you?

>>52485960
>people that sell you things are heartless monsters

explain CA going out of its ways in terms of coherency of the number of LL, adherence to the IP bought and faction's centralization only to introduce vlad and isabella for free, if not for genuine care about what people want to see

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Regardless of the stuff that should be on /v/, TW:W is the most faithful adaptation we have seen of the Fantasy world and I can't blame people for supporting it or wanting it to do well.

>>52486218
True.

>>52486218
So half-Elves are canon right?
Because that chick is Lileath's daughter.

>>52486218
Is she a human, or is she an elf?

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>>52486218
I disagree. Vermintide is much more accurate.
TW:W is great too, but it has a dozen niggling errors that disqualify it for the title.

But yes, I'm really glad we've had a couple of excellent Warhammer games rise out of the ashes of GW's wanton destruction.

>>52486395
New thread

>>52486218

I never played Mark of CHaos/Battlemarch, how were they?

>>52483889
While I do agree with you, smaller hands would have been awesome.

The FC is one of my favourite kits and the basis for half of the Von Grumble Barefeet regiment - my army's most successful halberds.

>>52486341
There is one single mention in some black library book, so there is that.

>>52486373
>fay enchantress
>elf
Nah.

>>52486145
you're forgetting one key factor my dude,
DLC, unlike back then today we have day one DLC, season passes, cut content sold off as "expansions" and so on
so on top of 60-80 USD fees for games
we also have to buy the DLC if we want all the content for the game

>>52486217
are you getting paid to shill?
>wow some half asses additional content was free! these devs truly have our best interests at heart, look how much they care! they're even charging us 3 additional dollars for blood effect, haha BASED CA!
you're a moron that doesnt understand how PR works
nor do you seem familiar with this devs past practices

>>52473624
>Posts pretty good looking art
>"Is this AoS art?"
You know the answer to that question anon

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how're Wood Elves in 8th ed? I played lizardmen a while back and now woodies have caught my attention.
I heard they're garbage?

>>52485960
>>52486009

>posting this
>in a thread about a game that was killed off for lack of sales

It's pottery.

Don't worry scum.

The rest of have/are making TWW the most popular ever despite you,