/anrg/- Android:Netrunner General, MWL leaks edition

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MWL Leaks

Wonder if it hypothetically possible for an all-yellow deck to still win?

-18 inf from having 3 sensies, BN, SanSan, NAPD. -3 more including temples. Professor 1 inf for friends or GFI.

Which NBN ID is the best for that situation?

Do you think that Jinteki has ever cloned a runner?

>>52425333
>Screenshot of leaks
Anon please, >>52398588

>>52425902

>Ken Temna, Escaped Clone

No idea how he got loose though.

>>52425482
They lose the kill threat, which leaves tag punishment (Closed Accounts, Psychographics) and FA. Interestingly they could go Glacier with Data Ward. And without Sensies they'd have a fairer agenda distribution too. Daily Business Show makes a decent replacement though, so that would likely replace Sensies if they stubbornly insist on that game plan. 24/7 Boom decks atleast are pretty neutered thanks to the Power Shutdown errata.

>>52426206
He ran, ofc.

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>>52425271

I'm personally a big fan of the multi-tier MWL, it always made sense in my mind since "more-wanted cards" should have higher costs. I think NAPD is a great example of this; Tier 1 because it's still heavily used but not so powerful that it is nearly every deck which would make it a Tier 3 MWL.

I'm also weird since I think banning cards is lazy, and I like this approach more. I think putting Faust as a Tier 3 might be a bit much, but I understand the mentality since it is the defacto anarch AI breaker and in practically every Anarch deck.

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>>52425902
Well he got this guy somewhere.

But if you mean "cloned a runner for their own nefarious purposes, including running", then I'd say the answer is no.

Jinteki is all about the "human touch", and despite that being a corporate tagline, the do genuinely mean it - they very much do not see clones as people, and their human resource investment is considerable. Having a clone as a runner would be anathema to them - a clear contrast to HB, who for whatever reason built Adam. Even assuming he got loose via luck and someone external like Ken did (Ken saw a chance and took it, but wouldn't have gotten away like he did without help), HB still built him in the first place.

>>52425333

I do wonder if there is supposed to be a Tier 2 as well? Not sure what would be at that particular level though.

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>>52421904
One protecting the agenda, unrezzed

Even if they'd have been using critic (they weren't), they'd still get 2 tags, unless they inside job'd (they did have one, but it didn't matter)

At an absolute minimum it was 1 tag, 3 meat, maximum would be 5 tags 3 meat, or 4 tags 5 meat (though Aaron could drop it down to 2 tags)

Plus the tags they already had, so I likely wouldn't bother with the raven.

As it was they ran for money, forgetting DRT, ran DRT (sadly it lacks the "even when they trash" text, which I always think is a shame), and did something else (drew up to 5 I think), then I killed them.

Setting up no-win situations is what it's all about

>>52426206
Come to think of it, given the number of rogue clones vs runaway bioroids (the latter of which is basically unheard of), you'd think clones would be much less preferable to their mechanical counterparts. Or perhaps the number of rogue clones are just too small relative to the number of functioning ones?

>>52427141
I wouldn't say producing a clone specifically to be a Runner as "anathema" to Jinteki, since a Runner working for the corp is just a sysop. It'd be interesting if they started producing "clone" ice to parallel HBs bioroids, though I guess they wouldn't just plug a brain into a console and have it protect a server for a whole day, especially since clones are more fragile and require rest periods.

I like the power Shutdown errata.

Also a sign they're willing to errata cards, so Sifr may still happen.

>>52425482
>Wonder if it hypothetically possible for an all-yellow deck to still win?

That's kind of the problem with that MWL approach, isn't it? It encourages monochrome decks, which allow taking as many cards on the list from your faction as you'd like. As an anarch, would you abandon other faction cards for non-limited supply of Wyldside, D4V1D, Yog.0, Parasite, DDOS, Faust, Rumor Mill and Sifr?

Not *that* bad a deal.

>>52428245

All-red decks can't take tems or Aaron or clones or siphons. Which are arguably a lot more important imports even compared to dark green cards for yellow decks.

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>>52428245
Probably not D4v1d and Sifr together, but you never know.
Also DDoS gets the dubious distinction of being the first card that effectively costs more than 5 inf out of faction

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>>52428357
Or Levy, which is a real kicker.

Still got that dope trope though

>>52428357

I think what I'm trying to point out is that as the list grows, if/when one faction reaches a certain critical mass of power cards on the list, especially cards that have synergy between themselves, then the MWL reaches a point where it incentivize going all in.

And the tier-ed list makes it all the worse. You get three Sifr and three Parasites, you're already at -12 influence. might as well takes those Rumor Mill, DDOS, Wyldside, Faust and Blackmails while you're at it...

I'm thinking that's a functional limit to the model.

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>>52428159
We know Jinteki has no qualms about using grown material for computing power (see pic related (which I've just dredged from the Wayback machine), Braintrust and I guess the Brewery? (anyone play much Biotech?)), but a direct clone ice would be a huge waste (even a brain would be better).

Bioroids work as ice because they're computers first and brains second - sure, they're based on brains, but they're much more digital than that, and much more directly focused - Jinteki has amazing conditioning and mind-mapping abilities (even more so since they won the Chronos battle), but at the end of the day HB can still just program shit in where Jinteki can't (clones learn better though).

Clones as a sysop, on the other hand, really run contrary to the way Jinteki works. Sysops, like designers and genengineers - even within the strict Jinteki hierarchy, they have their own way of doing things, they have personalities. Clones emphatically do not. Clones are not people.

>>52428396

Reds also has deja vu for all their parasite recursion needs (and others in a pinch), so there's that as well.

>>52428466

Well that's probably a fair point, but even so it is debatable whether a purely red deck is better off then one that sacrifices some of the power cards for aforementioned splashes.

Honestly wouldn't be surprised if further restrictions will appear down the line though.

>>52428466
Said limit depends on if the cards in question synergize with each other, I say. Parasifr is obvious, but Faust Wyldside with no Levy is pretty brave. Plus if Anarchs get less ubiquitous economic cards, they'd still be clicking for credits to get the money to install Sifr, which is pretty pricey even with Temujin bucks.

At the very least it feels like the targeted Tier 3 cards have been tested to see if the influence bump affects the relevant decks properly, so that's good. Plus if that still fails, we do have functional errata to fall back on.

>>52428503
That's assuming sysops are like counter runners though. Imagine that one MMORPG practice in China that farms gold by getting an actual person to do it instead of bots to not get banned. It could be like that: getting a legion of clones to work at finding the tiniest abnormality and reporting it. I imagine the artwork would be a bit like Frogger, with cyberspace depictions of the clones moving about the path into a server with small gaps for the runner to get through.

>>52428772
>Said limit depends on if the cards in question synergize with each other

I'm thinking the problem is twofold: synergy cards makes it so you reach the one-influence threshold (or get so close that you become willing to go over it), but once you've reached that threshold, it's single power cards that make it so you have no reason to limit yourself.

So yeah, ParSifr (or WyldFaust) base package, but then once you've decided to slot that, no reason to ignore DDOS, Rumor Mill or Blackmail if you think you can use them.

Not to mention, with cards like Temujin reaching the list too (also if Aaron isn't added sooner or later we'll all be surprised), and the cost of cards you'd want to splash raising, it becomes harder to justify the opportunity cost anyway.

>>52429090
Guess you're right on adding the power cards as might-as-wells. In that case, the balancing seems to be entirely on the economy of the deck then, and unlike Professor decks Anarchs won't have access to Magnum Opus and Aesop. Post rotation I have a feeling monocolour Anarch decks will be too poor to get anything going fast enough to handle whatever new NBN and HB deck shenanigans pop up.

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>>52428772
>That's assuming sysops are like counter runners
I've always thought so, with Kegan/Whizz, and I still think it'd be better to see another clone like Caprice in role - where they're NOT a sysop, but still working to close holes in the defences.

But whatever works for headcanon, y'know?

>>52428510
>red
Anarch is orange.

But that's just quibbling, I don't disagree with you.
But I do think that despite all the cards on the list, Anarch is going to come out of it mostly okay - better than NBN, who have to pic between SAU and killing runners.

I'd think a no combo list might work better than just MWLing a lot, honestly - no Sifr/Parasite, for example

>>52429803

Wouldn't forcing NBN to go either explosions OR sensies be a good thing in forcing some diversity for yellows?

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>>52430037
I think so, though it's not quite as tight as all that.

You can have Sensie Actors and Explosions (courtesy of Mr Salem, perhaps?), but you won't be reporting Breaking News, you won't have Friends in High Places and you won't be getting in on any Global Food Initiatives to balance your murderousness with public goodwill.

You can max out on Boom, News and GFI, but you won't be able to have actors promoting you, or anything else splashed.

If you want actors and FIHP, then you'll have to forgo booming anyone

I like it, it definitely takes away from the "can do everything, all at once, forever" that NBN kind of rolled into.

Though NEH can stretch it a little, which sort of makes sense for their "in the middle of everything" ethos?
CTM on the other hand has a really bad time of it - the crackdown on Sensie actors really limits them

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>>52430416
>can do everything, all at once, forever
I mean I know SYNC's moto is "Everything Everywhere", but yeah.

Actually, that gets me thinking - what corp (and/or division of the corp) do you guys most like? which corp's bad shit would you be most willing to ignore? - and do they play in a way that fits with your playstyle?

>>52433037
Weyland
Argus

They are the reason I got back into the game after buying the core at launch and not playing for a couple years. Solving problems by kicking in doors and getting dirty seems so rewarding.

"You think you're so powerful don't you? You jack in and feel like a god. But you're still just meat."

I've been tilting a hit towards HB lately, buy my heart will always be green.

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>>52433212
Have you considered the Argus subsidiary, Skorpios?

They make guns, and about half of what they trash stays dead.

But yeah, the Argus door-kicking ways are pretty good

>>52433530
I'm intrigued by Skorpios as a kind of Thousand Cuts Weyland that BoN didn't end up being.

If only I could make Arybhata Tech/Door To Door work...

>>52433790
But Skorpios deal with the heap and the recursion, going for a Weyland Thousand Cuts the better options are probably still BoN and Argus.

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Any yo anons with twitter, ffg wants retweets before they'll show shit, but we got a small spoiler

>You crash through the outer ice and find a deadly sentry…Retweet this post to progress & access a new TD spoiler
Also Archer alt? Artemis? who knows

>>52434747
I guess I think that being able to reliably do that one damage/trash each turn reliably, kind of like PU, and make use of that ID ability creating a bit of a headlock can pay off. Something like Arybhata with door to door and being able to aliance in Salem seems pretty oppressive. Set up is a pain, but it sounds *cool.*

I might suck at Netrunner though. So I should probably do Casting Call with Underway Renovation or wait until we get better Advanceable ICE tools and go back to BON.

>>52433037
HB. Androids and AI are my jam, thematically, and building big servers full of big angry bioroids my preferred method of victory (though blowing up the runner's rig and/or brain come in close second).

I want to like the Foundry, but it doesn't actually work. It's not that EtF is actually overpowered, it's that FFG keeps printing bad IDs for HB.

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>>52435626
Foundry actually works, both NEXT and Grail. HB economic advantage trascends the core ID, and this ID makes for a better Rush/Glacier than Next Design.

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>>52435626
I thought the Foundry was alright?

With NEXT ice, I mean, which is crap in the NEXT ID but good in the bioroid-making ID.
And Grail ice, which isn't really relevant now, but it was in lunar when Foundry was released

>>52429242
>I have a feeling monochrome Anarch decks will be too poor to get anything going fast enough to handle whatever new NBN and HB deck shenanigans pop up.

I kind of hope we go back to the old messy ways of Anarchs. Bad Publicity decks. Big, efficient synergy builds with explosive results, but troublesome installations.
That's where Anarch are the most fun to play with and against for me.

>>52435483

I like Dean Lister. Could do some interesting things for shapers.

(Also woot Artemis!)

>>52435773
>>52435779
Grail ice isn't really great, especially when by itself it eats the majority of your influence. Making okay ICE slightly better isn't a good strategy or reason to forgo EtF econ.

NEXT is okay out of the Foundry, but an ability that your opponent controls (or needing to splash for an EBC).

The Foundry isn't terrible it's just...the effect is profoundly underwhelming and I always feel poor trying to play it, especially if I want to use bigger ICE. What the Foundry is good for is using The Twins and Brainstorm, but that's more of a joke deck than an actual plan, however hilarious it is when it fires.

>>52436091
>shapers
>not anrach Obelus shard Faust degeneracy

It's like you're a decent human being.

>>52433037
>what corp (and/or division of the corp) do you guys most like?
>which corp's bad shit would you be most willing to ignore?

Do you mean, as a player, or fluff-wise?

As a player, definitely a toss up between Jinteki and Weyland.
I really dig Weyland overall, even the silly plays - it's too bad the imbalance of ICE destruction makes advance-able ICE such a liability. There's something so neat in the idea that you can just make one installed ICE more bothersome instead of having to install several.
And I just love the threat game. The "do you feel lucky, punk?" moments.

That stupid GRNDL deck that just fast tracked/install Governement Takeover turn two or three and just dared the runner to come get it was just so fun - even when you lose, seeing the runner sweat and dig like crazy for a solution never gets old.

Also love cards like Underway Renovation/Posted Bounty/Ronin that allow you to get pro-active against the runner.

Fluff-wise, I think HB is the one I find the less repulsive.

>>52436104
>Grail ice isn't really great

I understand the influence complaint, but at the same time the threat of a double Merlin face check - not so hard to get in the Foundry - can be pretty sobering.

>>52436160
>not anrach Obelus shard Faust degeneracy

Not like that deck needs it. Would be fun the first time, and then you'd decommission the deck like the silly thing it is.

I'm more thinking Dean Lister could enable some of the breaker plays people are using Sifr for right now in Shaper, only in a decently balanced fashion.

>>52436259
>Fluff-wise, I think HB is the one I find the less repulsive

HB is an interesting case. Like, they're straight up manufacturing people whose whole existence is to be slaves. At the same time, there's a weird way in which they care more for their bioroids than Jinteki does for its clones. Their high end bioroids they buy apartments for and give a stipend to experiment with. There's at least some sense in which HB does genuinely want what's best for their bioroids as individuals and as people, even if (as an corporation is wont to do) they interpret that in an utterly self-serving.

>>52436259
Speaking of which, what's the bottom line on Punitive Counterstrike? How does it work now?

>>52436358
Yeah, but it's a threat that loses all of its teeth really quickly, and while surprise flatlines are hilarious (see: Brainstorm into Twins), it's not a real strategy, IMO.

The Foundry's issue is that, for all the fun stuff you can do with it...they tend towards being a gimmick. The best thing to do with them is NEXT stuff, and even then...a lot of the time when you rez ICE the thing you want isn't more ICE.

>>52436403

Yup. HB is guilty of things like human (live) testing or (willfully) Defective Brainchip...but overall, HB's evils take the form of good old corporate greed tempered by what appears to be genuine enthused *ethical* (as weird as it is to write that here) futurism (I think the term fits with all it evokes, good and bad).

Jinteki at its core seem just disgustingly rotten, with a side of (medical and agricultural) goodwill to try and balance things back. But even at their best, there's something chilly in the complete disregard for life of their post-Monsanto eugenic vision.

>>52436454
Points printed on agendas stolen the previous turn

Might be an answer to all this Aaron shit, now that I think about it

>>52436534

Fair point, but to me the question always is: would you rather win, or have a fun, memorable game?

I just love a good gimmick deck if it's built decently enough to foster good play. Some of the best games of Netrunner I ever played came from stupid gimmick decks.

>>52436454

Between Film Critic, the rise of Link decks, the crazy post-Temujin runner econ and the coexistence of old anti-damage cards with their upcoming rotation replacements, I'm finding the context for that card is probably the worst it's ever been. Especially with Boom decks making all of them played.

>>52436705
If I I just wanted to win, would I be playing non-yellow decks in the first place?

I want a fun game, and to me that's a game with lots of tactics, calculation, maybe even some MINDGAMES. Gimmick decks tend to be either 'you assemble the combo fast enough and they don't have a counter, so you win, otherwise they just R&D lock you or win' or 'they facecheck something spicy or access a trap they're not prepared for and you win, otherwise you lose'.

>>52436851

Come on, between NEXT ICE, The Twins, Grail ICE, the ABT interaction, you can build a Foundry deck that is based all around gimmicks but not in a way that precludes good strategic and tactical play.

I'm thinking equating gimmick deck with combo decks isn't exactly fair either.

To take an example, Adam Fear the Masses is certainly gimmicky, but it take a lot of skill to pilot and offers some good play that isn't strictly about getting a combo out but rather building a board state.

>If I I just wanted to win, would I be playing non-yellow decks in the first place?

One sure hopes so.

>>52436259

Easiest game of Netrunner I've ever played. As it turns out Sunny with Another Paycheck throws a real bad wrench in that plan.

>>52437847

Many cards do that - Hostage -> Film Critic kills it.

It's just a beautifully stupid deck. Full in on a suicidal rush strat. In the time it takes to play a normal game, you can play three with that deck.

>>52435483
That story excerpt is kind of awkward. The armor on that archer looks sort of Asian, Great Wall reference maybe?

Dean Lister is neat, though it has the same problem as other strength retention breakers in that it matters less if they don't stack the same type of ice... unless you use it on an AI. How teasing of them to hide the influence cost too.

>>52433037
>what corp (and/or division of the corp) do you guys most like?
I like space, so Weyland and Jack's rapid development to reach the stars and the general mystery behind his motivations resonate with me quite well. That their audacious playstyle can be quite fun is a small benefit.

>which corp's bad shit would you be most willing to ignore?
All the corps have a good side that has been pretty impactful to the Android world. HB's development of bioroids allowed humans to stay away from dangerous work, Jinteki's clones are an immense contribution to medical research and organ replacement procedures, NBN is literally everywhere and can finetune entertainment for any individual, and while Weyland generally has its finger in every pie, their practice of investing in small corps to build them up before letting them go should be a boon to any start up company.

On the flip side, Weyland has the worst reputation and rumors surrounding them, NBN's privacy issue shouldn't be alien to us even before mentioning their "reeducation" programmes, if you disagree with Jinteki's treatment of clones then they can be pretty shady, and while HB's bioroids have allowed dangerous work, they have also made an equal amount of human workers to lose their jobs. Ultimately though, I think NBN gets somewhat of a pass due to how central they are to just *existing* in Android. Living off-grid is an option, but tolerating them is basically a requirement to not live in the slums (or even then).

>>52437963

It was just beautiful that what I thought would be a so-so hand ended up just ruining him.

>He fast tracks turn one
>Government Takeover
>Installs a face down
>Ices HQ

>I stare at the current in my hand
>... It can't be this easy. He wouldn't. Oh. He's probably on Punitive. But...
>Play Another Paycheck, run.
>It's the Takeover.
>Net a cool six creds from my current. Spend my last two clicks taking two more bringing me to 13. Hope he's not holding onto two of them.
>Game on.

>He Restructures up to 15 then Consulting Visits for the Punitive
>Punitives for everything. 14 credits total.
>I'm fucking Sunny. That delicious base 2 Link

It was a good day. Still a tense situation, but a good day to be the Milfrunner.

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>>52438635

Nice one.

>>52438635
This is the only reason I haven't gone minimum agenda BoN. Link seems to be everywhere.

That, and a bad shuffle could mean 10 points in one run.

Anyone got any fun and janky Weyland 1.1.1.1. decks? I want to try out something new at League tomorrow.

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>>52441154

Sorry to say 1.1.1.1 never caught up here.

>>52441154
There might be enough to do the Titan FA deck maybe, though being limited to the space ice is kinda eh.

>Clan Vengeance
>Stimhack
>Same Old Thing
>Obelus
>Conspiracy breakers

someone convince me this is a bad idea

>>52443355
You need self tagging. Some Account Siphons for good measure. Maybe Joshua B.

>>52444044
And a Titanium Skull!

>>52443355
I don't know about building a deck around a single use card, let alone using brain damage. DO IT

Come to think of it, Clan Vengeance looks like a pretty decent defense against combo decks, provided you can get enough counters on it.

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>>52443355
>>52444648
Clan Vengence + cybernetics/self damage is great, feels very gritty and might actually have some power too.

Also, note the art. Practically begging you to use cybernetics with it

I don't reckon you need self-tagging though

Obelus+Hades+Stimplant is also a pretty amusing interaction

>>52444896
If he is going Stimhack recursion he needs a bigger handize. The titanium skull helps, but obelus+tags can do much of the heavily lifting.
Add some Counter Surveillance and you have your end game.

Saw a Los gain practically 8 credits with 3 Compromised Employees and 3 Ice Analyzers with every ice rez, that's nuts. I think there might be a reason to include Build Script in these kinds of big rig decks where you can get a lot of value post-setup. Or Deuces Wild I suppose.

>>52445205
Discount 5+2 credit for the raptor derezz and he even profits!

>>52445205

Looks interesting, but still awfully clunky compared to snitch+Au Revoir or power taps.

>>52446048
The guy had the good luck to draw all 6 within the first 5 turns, at which point every rez and derez was insane profit. You're also profiting off of something you're already doing over shenanigans like clicking for 3 in Snitch + Au Revoir, so fitting it into regular decks isn't too hard.

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>>52446093
Plus this guy soon.

>>52446609
Los and Kebos might be the critical mass of derezzing effects that we've needed to make derez criminal tier 1.

....which is naturally countered, of course, by play....prison and asset spam. Yay?

>>52447609
well, the primary goal of that is to make it cheaper to get into servers/make it more expensive to protect servers. If it's already cheap to get into to servers than just hammer it like hell with multi access + asset spam hate. If desperado is leaving the MWL then all the better

>>52448067
Yep, that's probably how derez crims will try to deal deal with corps that don't rez ice. However, it still seems like planning to spam must-trash assets and use tags or net damage to disrupt their setup is a better plan against strong derez criminal than using ice, since rezzing ice just accelerates the lock and slows you down.

>>52445205

I saw a runner get 8 cheated credits per run on Jinteki.net with two buggy Mobius in the heap.

COMPETE WITH THAT

I just bought the core set and Creation and control that was on discount. How did I do?

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>>52449426
You did well.

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>>52449426
Cheers!

>>52449426

I made the corp pay 11 credits to rez a hive with a Blackguard deck, turn three. I love Peace in Our Time.

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>>52450306

I accidentally a bit. This as was for >>52449078

As for >>52449426, have this! (and have fun!)

>>52449569
>>52450306
I'm sure those are excellent jokes, but I know pretty much nothing about the game

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>>52450362
The Hive one isn't a joke, it's just a comment - by playing a couple of cards you can force the corp to rez their ice.
You can also make it very expensive to do so (though these don't combo - additional costs can't be forced)

Incidentally >>52450306, how 11? 5 for Cortez, 5 regular, where's the 1?

>>52450591

They don't combo, but the corp still has to pay if it wants the ICE to stop you (meant in a Blackguard deck, not using Blackguard - the PIOT was more a side comment, its been an incredible enabler for the deck - I say it every time but I really should stop posting before my first coffee of the day, I barely make sense).

>where's the 1?

Good old trusty Xanadu.

>>52450362

The Professor s kind of a joke ID, everyone that loves to build silly deck has to love the man, if only a little, but competitively he's had a hard time from inception.

>>52450591
>>52451050
thanks for the explanations.
Quick question, as far as I know there will soon be some sort of rotation in the competitive packs, right? From what pack should I start buying?

>>52451664

The first two cycles (Genesis and Spin), will rotate once the first data pack of the cycle next to the current one (Mars ) is released.

I'd say in about six months give or take.

Whether it's worth your while to invest in that will depend on several factors (your player profile, the price at which you found them...).

Give you'd just started, I'd say it's not unwise to forget about them and learn the ropes while waiting for rotation.

>>52451664
I always recommend deluxe boxes and Flashpoint.

>>52443355
I pretty much played that deck without Clan Vengeance. Spice in some DLR and other self-damaging click acceleration and it starts to feel real dirty.

Don't forget to get high before you go to work though. And get some reliable dealers. Also, yeah...self tagging needs to outpace the brain damage.

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Free Mars https://www.fantasyflightgames.com/en/news/2017/3/30/free-mars/

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>>52453016
Criminal recursion!

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>>52453016
I have no idea who would play this card!

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>>52453016
Nice econ for non-recursion decks.

>>52453034

Blue fans everywhere must be ecstatic.

>>52453034
More reason to play Gauntlet!

>>52453167
It's also 1 influence, so it's going in every Adam deck!

>>52453047
It's for playing against asset spam, you get 2 credits for each card of that type, not for each one they discarded.

>>52453074
Actually, even if you're going to Levy, you could use this to thin the heap a bit before you shuffle it back in.

>>52453074

Nice way to filter cards out of your deck before a Levy too I guess. While making a profit of it.

>>52453187
Do you mean resource/connection spam? It's an NBN card, not a Runner card.

>>52453186
I was actually thinking it could replace Levy in my Gauntlet Kim deck.

But if you run with this, they have 3 ICE installed, but only one card in hand, do you recur 4 or 1?

>>52453150
Time to go public terminal Ken?

>>52453260
I gather you'd access just 1, so only 1 is retrieved. Better keep those Seminars ready for it.

>>52453225
Yeah, that's what I meant, since you get 2c for each one they didn't trash.

>>52453424
I was kind of hoping that since it was an "instead of access" effect it wouldn't be subject to the cards available.

So you could have 3 HQIs installed and consistently recur 4, regardless of whatever they have in hand. When the run is successful, you would check how many cards you would access before you would start your accesses which is also when you would stop and pick your cards from the heap.

>>52453047
I like it.
Against virus spam, resource assholes or a shit-ton of hardware you've at least got some money, seeing as there's no way in hell they'll trash shit unless you're threatening Midseasons (and it won't be long before that's not a thing)

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Skorpios splashing pic related gives the dilemma a bit more bite

Cybernetics division will probably like it as well

And love the bioroid being genuinely concerned while their boss is starving people out

>>52454064
Gregory 3D3R6Z is a dickbag.
The new wave of murderous bioroids takes an interesting approach.

>>52454064
I want this to be good in cybernetics but...It's not. Cards that give your opponent choices are (usually) bad, this is not the exception.

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>>52454331
No, he comes off as a dickbag because if he were a human he would be, but a) there's nothing he can do in the situation, b) he's incapable of being emotional about any emergency (as are all bioroids, even the emergency Rex ones) and c) he may genuinely not know how distressed they are.

Or it could be smug, we don't know.

In case you guys didn't know yet, AgInfusion are basically Pālanā Foods' asshole brother - they take one of Monsanto's famous tricks (terminator seeds) and do a lot more besides you'll hear mention of them throwing their weight around

>>52454425
>own the rights to the fucking water
Fuck jinteki

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>>52454879
They own the rights to a lot of the water, yeah.
And a few colonies outright.

And not a single seed they provide will produce offspring - it'll bloom once then die.
So you have to buy another seed.
From AgInfusion.
And it's been shipped from Earth at a massive markup.

>>52455255
Damn those slanty eyed devils and their wicked ways

>>52453034
So the obvious dilemma here is how to get those multiaccesses, and if the recursion target is worth it over potentially winning the game. Gauntlet would be the prime candidate I suppose, and at the very least this is a 3 + HQ ice cost to get that trashed breaker back. The impact seems kind of low for the cost, but atleast in-faction recursion exists now, and probably an interesting sign for future recursion options.

>>52453047
Sarcasm I'm guessing? Looks like a very good replacement for Sweeps Week, 5 resources/programs is 10 credits. They could trash cards, but then they destroying their own board state. That they gain money seems somewhat fairer.

>>52453074
4 credits is pretty expensive, but atleast Career Fair will be around for a bit longer. I do wonder how much work it will do, taking note of how many cards usually stays in the heap might be a good idea next time I play.

>>52454064
"Is x causing you distress, friend?" should be a thing. Maybe "Is this piece of ice causing you distress, friend?" on a custom card sleeve. For the card itself though, a single card is kinda eh. If it were two cards vs two clicks, or 1 card vs three clicks, it might be better. I guess you could enable cheesiness with Enforced Curfew and SEAScorched, or Neural EMP/Ronin shenanigans.

>>52454425
This could hurt pretty bad in the right deck, especially with Scarcity of Resources (which makes for great theme). Basically useless against decks with no resources, but that's a pretty small minority.

>>52454425
>they take one of Monsanto's famous tricks (terminator seeds) and do a lot more besides you'll hear mention of them throwing their weight around

It isn't much of an asshole trick when, you know, you can buy non-Monsanto seeds that can be recycled.

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>>52454879

LOADS OF MONEY SELLING H2O

Maybe I'm over-reading things, but it's funny how it's Weyland that has the meteor mining infrastructure, but Jinteki that has the monopole on water.

It's like Weyland doesn't care about business, because it's so intertwined into the very fabric of corp life it can't be rooted out of it: NBN owns the network, but Weyland owns the lines, Jinteki has agriculture on earth and water on mars, but Weyland has the land and the meteors, HB provides workforce and goods, Weyland provides *currency*.

On some respects it's almost as if Weyland has moved one notch up the food chain, and is now acting like a symbiotic parasite predating on other corps rather people, who just happen to collateral externalities - to quote someone, they stole from those who have the money.

>>52453047

I really dig the design on that one, but I keep running the numbers and wondering...

>>52457043

If they and when they can. A lot of biodiversity has disappeared these past century or so becasue of the food/agricultural complex making them impossible to resale by way of drastic norms - sometimes with heavy-handed lobbying on top. And that's on earth right now. Imagine on Mars with a more iron-fisted corporate control, in a world where a corporation is allowed to own human beings because it *owns* their DNA sequencing.

Had the context been different, could have made an interesting conflict; Earth supporting Jinteki's monopoly by making other seeds illegal to export. Clans trying to smuggle and grow the perennial stuff. And the cleansing war that enfolds in the name of sanitary precaution.

>>52457870
I've been trying to figure out what the HB or NBN identities - if there are any - might be from the Worlds of Android book, and what those corps are up to in general. AgInfusion is definitely in the book, though Jemison is not. HB has a lot of cool things that are mentioned briefly that they could be up to - stuff like the fact that there is no first directive on Mars, so killbots are all good. Also heavy industry and labor in general (bioroids don't need no air) is great. I'd say that Mars is the perfect place to introduce NEXT (maker of fine laser weaponry used across Mars) except we already have NEXT and it's not clear what else there is. IIRC there was a novella about a bioroid murdering a UN diplomat (via Domestic Sleepers) who was doing something on Mars, so maybe there's something there?

NBN has near total network control, and they seem tied in the cards to the Mars Colonial Authority, so might also get Mars Secret Service cards. I like the idea of an more explicitly Orwellian NBN, but again I'm lacking specifics.

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>>52453074
Fun times

>>52435483
Just noticed that the FFG Twitter team are doing a campaign of their own with the spoilers. The reason Dean Lister's card is warped is because earlier when given the choice between investigating cyberspace or meatspace, voters went with cyberspace, and when given the choice between taking the offensive and running and preparing (Adept vs Dhegdeer), they went on the offensive. Hence the image showing Ayla being unable to respond to the archer ice. Pretty neat.

On that note, unless they're doing things haphazardly, it might point to the ice either being higher than 5 strength, or a code gate.

>>52457870
I can't tell if Weyland has any proxy corps up on Mars; Jemison exists but isn't in the WoA book so no details there, and while Weyland owns the Beanstalk and subsequently all operations to and from Mars, I'm not sure if they directly control any of the settlements and colonies the way Jinteki has.

>>52458868
I feel it's likely that HB is - besides the usual bioroid labour - they are also expanding bioroids for military use on Mars. And besides the stuff you mentioned, NBN also seems to be about skewing the perception of life on Mars and its inhabitants, perhaps even affecting the Martians themselves. It's pretty funny that the clan mentality seems to be holdin them at bay though.

>>52460504
The campaign is pretty nice, it's a shame it isn't getting all the attention it deserves.

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>>52462353
I see your WoA art (which is cool, though IDK how good it would be for a card), and raise you custom art for a tournament

>>52458868

Would NEXT be the branch that deals with "waroids", and otherwise non anthropomorphic bioiroids, or would the mother company prefer a bit more deniability by separating that particular field from the rest of their military portfolio?
Would be a perfect fit for the new subsidiary subtype.

Orwellian NBN is a pretty apt description I'd say.

>>52463132
That makes sense, though I still think it's a shame that the NEXT stuff focuses on the net security aspect rather than the "fucking laser cannons" aspect.

Funny that the informant game goes both sides, with NBN having MCA, and crims having AENEAS (whatever hides behind that one, can't remember for now)..

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>>52463339
>AENEAS
Yeah

>>52457870
>On some respects it's almost as if Weyland has moved one notch up the food chain,

They're the quintessential rent-seekers

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rent-seeking

>>52463882

Ahh, I've forgotten all about the Couriers.

The day that advanceable ice (and Weyland in general) go from "meh" to "completely OP" will be a smiling day for me

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>>52462395
I see your custom art for tournament and raise you an ID a friend did for me.

>>52463339
>>52463882
Aeneas is on of the Martian clans, not an acronym.

Also, one thing I'm surprised we haven't seen is the Chinese colony.

>>52464119
I kind of want to make one of these for Kim. But I can't think of any Kim art that would be worth blowing up like that.

I've had worse is...meh.

>>52464933
He doesn't appear featured in many cards, that's true.
MaxX on the other hand. I want a double ID with Wanton on one side and amped up on the other.

>>52463882
If I Fast Advance a Government Takeover out of hand once I can die happy.

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>>52466550
>out of hand
I think you'd need to Biotic, with it being a triple, but:
>Have Jeeves ready
>Subliminal (3)
>Fast Track (2)
>Biotic (1+2+1)
>Install (3)
>RPC, assuming 9 counters across the board

Jemison might be able to do it cheaper and easier burning an Atlas after using said Atlas to tutor

Martian Uprising (45 cards)
Reina Roja: Freedom Fighter
-- event (19 cards)
3 Career Fair
6 Fear the Masses
3 I've Had Worse
3 Making an Entrance
3 Sure Gamble
1 System Seizure
-- hardware (2 cards)
2 Şifr
-- program (4 cards)
2 Eater
2 Keyhole
-- resource (20 cards)
1 Bhagat
2 Borrowed Satellite
3 Data Folding
3 Earthrise Hotel
1 Hades Shard
3 Same Old Thing
3 Temüjin Contract
1 The Archivist
3 Underworld Contact

This is a bad idea right? I just want to take Reina for one last ride.

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>>52466806
As expensive as that is (8 just for the ops), it paints a really cool picture of Weyland waiting until the right moment and using subliminal messaging, bioroid butlers to people in high positions and bioroid couriers to take over in a lightning strike

>>52466806
Yeah, biotic labor, install, couriers, score

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New TD spoiler

Pic + Apex (it's Virtual, woo!) + Day Job for weird thematic shenanigans

>>52468037
Can you just bin Apoc and play it with this?

>>52468956
You mean ignoring the need to run all centrals? No.

Sadly this looks like a DLR enabler, mostly.

>>52468956
Running the triple isn't a cost, it's a requirement

>>52469255
>DLR enabler
How?

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>>52468037

Interesting, but I keep looking at the list of currently published events and I don't know that I would sacrifice an agenda to play one (but then Fan site...).

Makes High Stake Job potentially a bit better than Data Dealer, though I don't know that the difference is worth the hassle.

Would have to be an event that can guarantee a theft of at least equal value (all things being equal, if there's no other way to get past defenses, I'd rather lose an agenda to steal another of equal value than let the corp score one). So I guess bypass ones early game, to add pressure on the corp?

>>52463911

I *knew* there was a technical term. Thanks.

>>52464464

Well, if the Mars shaper *is* Kabonesa Wu, maybe in the same data pack she's introduced?

>>52464119

Lovely.

As far as custom IDs go, I like that one. Sends a clear "I take that shit seriously" message.

>>52468037

Now that I think about it, would slot it in that old Stirling deck that was trying to remove all agendas from the game... would make an amusing come back as a way of dealing with decks running Obokta Protocol.

>>52470661
>Lovely.
>As far as custom IDs go, I like that one. Sends a clear "I take that shit seriously" message.
Thank you!

>>52470119
DLR doesn't need agendas to win, and can sacrifice any it picks up to recur siphons and keep the mill train going.

>>52471238
That's almost any forfeit agenda cards though, it doesn't particularly help Mill and it needs clicks to use that could be spent milling.
Day jobs for 1 click are amazing though.

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>>52471338

For one agenda forfeit, would you rather 10 credits or one bad pub?

Guess it depends on when exactly you're doing it.

>>52471338
Yeah, but forfeiting agendas to keep the corp poor is new. Data Dealer doesn't enable you to spam more Siphons.

>>52471432

It makes your Vamp spam a lot more brutal though.

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>>52471427
10 credits. Unless I'm playing Itinerant protesters deck.
It's a really cool deck but the setup for the bad pub is pretty click consuming.

>>52471466
Now you can more easily Siphon them and then use their own credits to vamp them. Or just use any stolen agenda as a way to recover using Day Job or whatever, which DLR does run.

>>52471604
New MWL says you have -12 influence, so no Siphons allowed.

>>52471615
How exactly do you figure that?

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>>52471658
I'm a psychic.

>>52471604

Which does nothing to disprove that forfeiting agendas to keep the corp poor *isn't* new. Data Dealer + Vamp already existed. Sure, it wasn't s good as you would have liked, but it was perfectly usable.

>>52471929

...so? I'm not sure what your point here is. It's a new thing whose best use case is DLR. Most other decks that might use this care about having agendas, DLR doesn't, and being influence free and capable of recurring Siphons might mean it finds its way into those decks.

Then, maybe they won't. It requires agendas and it takes up slots, so maybe it's not good enough to fit into a DLR deck. It's still not great that the only real use for this is that kind of bullshit.

>>52472155

The original post I was addressing >>52471432
>Yeah, but forfeiting agendas to keep the corp poor is new.
>Data Dealer doesn't enable you to spam more Siphons.

To which I answered!
>It makes your Vamp spam a lot more brutal though.

The point was that it's not new, as other forms of the same strat could be enabled by the same mechanic. I didn't address DLR.

>>52468037

Wonder how much of an effect would it play in the campaign itself?

>>52474974
I can see a minor goal for the campaign be "forfeit the campaign specific agenda to the shadow net", which would probably have repercussions later.

>>52476222

Wonder if there was supposed to be some secret runner objective to forfeit agendas as part of the launch party objectives. Would be a bit more challenging compared to getting stimhacked brain damage for one thing.

How well can HB engineer situations where the runner has no cards in hand before playing O2 shortage?

Or is this going to be a" better out of faction" deal?

>>52478645

Importing in NBN/Weyland for a PSF kill deck?

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>>52478645

Enhanced Login Protocol + Psychic Field (+ Voting Machine Initiative)

The interesting thing about Psychic Field is that it's eminently splashable at 1 influence and fits right at home in HB never-advance due to Vitruvius and ABT bluffing.

The not so-interesting thing is that Sports Hopper and Aaron Marron are common as fuck now and even then, O2 Shortage gives the player a choice. When that choice is "die or give the corp 2 clicks," guess which one happens? Then again, going back to the never-advance style, 2 more clicks is precisely what HB needs to score out a Vitruvius or ABT.

I'd rather just spend 1 more credit on Biotic, honestly.

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>>52478645
Not very well I think - runners are less cautious running against HB, but even so you still don't want to be down to 0

The 2 inf makes me think it'll be splashed more in other factions, though the big part of it is that it's unreliable - the runner has the choice, so you have to make both a bad proposition.

Weyland, with Skorpios and Scorched, can make 1 card highly important, and Jinteki has Ronin.
HB does have some use - Ark Lockdown, for example, but most of the time runners would far rather lose a card than give you a biotic labour.


Oh, and we got the full Dean Lister spoiled, no inf, and looks like it might well be "Dean" in the academic sense rather than the name of a shadownet broker

>>52478730
>and looks like it might well be "Dean" in the academic sense rather than the name of a shadownet broker

Mayhap the dean of Chatterjee University or Levy University? I don't have the Android lore book so I'm just speculating

>>52478084
That's probably a bit specific, considering there's only a single TD-accessible card that forfeits agendas (a 1-of no less), making it unlikely to be an objective.

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>>52478805
If he is, it's definitely Levy, it's where Alya works/studies

>>52479008
I like how access to this place is more valuable (both in credits and in usefulness) than the facility itself.

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>>52479055
And it's much more valuable to the corp than the runner, too.
And sadly Levy is from C&C, so non-rotating.

It's pretty big, and located in perhaps the richest district of New Angeles, WoA says: it accepts 100'000 new students a year (including for distance learning, which is excellent, and recall the city has 500+ million inhabitants), it's a global top 10 university, its AI department is the best in the world, its Network Architecture department is pretty great, its Medical Centre/Teaching Hospital rivals Harmony (as in Medtech) General for the best in the city, and its sports teams are mediocre.

In other Android university stuff, as well as Chatterjee in Mumbad, the breaker bay fluff mentions that Levy university regularly competes with the University of the Californias at Breaker Bay and NeoTokyo Daigaku for the top spot in the NBN Best College and University Rankings.
There's also Ivy Consolidated - where Jack Weyland went, and dropped out a la Bill Gates, with his classmate and first (now ex-) wife to found his first business.
There's also seemingly at least a couple of good universities still in Europe, despite its decline - the section mentions having a relatively good educational base.

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>>52479220
It's a poor card, with poor art from the original Android board game

>>52479220
>It's pretty big, and located in perhaps the richest district of New Angeles, WoA says: it accepts 100'000 new students a year (including for distance learning, which is excellent, and recall the city has 500+ million inhabitants), it's a global top 10 university, its AI department is the best in the world, its Network Architecture department is pretty great, its Medical Centre/Teaching Hospital rivals Harmony (as in Medtech) General for the best in the city,
>and its sports teams are mediocre.

So it's basically MIT to a T?

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>>52479254
I guess, I don't know much about MIT other than it being basically the best engineering University, basically in the world.

University sports aren't a very big thing where I'm from.

Oh, I forgot one, there's the University of New Ecuador

>>52478645
Poorly. Giving your opponent the choice in how to fire something usually makes it bad, this isn't an exception.

Jinteki can use it out of faction as a less-conditional Neural EMP, or fast advance one of their 3/1 agendas, so it probably makes more sense there.

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>>52470661
>I *knew* there was a technical term. Thanks.

Here's a pretty good article about it, published only 2 days ago

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/mar/30/wealth-banks-google-facebook-society-economy-parasites

>>52478730
>The not so-interesting thing is that Sports Hopper and Aaron Marron are common as fuck now and even then

Kill decks have an answer of sort to those with Subcontract. Though, yeah, the Aaron player that let you get this far has only himself to blame - though MCA Informant might yet do something for that too.

>>52479781

Thanks, worth being passed around. I'd very much enjoy this to occupy more space in the public discourse.
I'm way too familiar with the concept, just couldn't for the life of me remember the name of it.

>>52478901

It's still probably more achievable compared to expecting Seidr to somehow actually kill the runner.

>>52480555
SEAScorched is still a thing, especially if you're looking to finish off someone with two brain damage. Recurring IPOs (the new Restructure) and Hedge Funds helps with getting an economic advantage too. The key part is firing its ability often enough, which could probably be a tad tough.

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>>52480314
Think you mislinked there

Does CB have anything cool yet?
I like the idea (and love the theme), but like a lot C&C's corp half - see >>52479220 - it's well below the curve

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>>52481735
CB worked at deckbuilding to bring other faction cards into HB. For instance, triple scorched + NBN tags. It was widely regarded as suboptimal bc core HB is more profitable and if you wanted to do stuff with NBN or Weyland you played NBN or Weyland.
Because of this, nobody expected Scorched recursion coming from HB. 24 meat damage in a single turn. Eat shit Noise.

>>52478645
Cybernetics Division+NEXT+self destruct chips+valley grid gets you damn close.

It's not hard to trap them at 1 or 2. At which point, they have to ask how important that card is to them.

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>>52481901
>24 meat damage
Nice
Shutdown, 2x Diagnostics?

>>52484593
Vitruvius and Efficiency Committee. Pre-Honor and Profit.

>>52485137
Niiiiice

>>52481735
>Think you mislinked there

Totally did. At least the quote made it readable.

>Does CB have anything cool yet?

I don't know with the newer cards, but CB PSF kill deck using clicks from Efficiency Committee and the aforementioned Scorched Earth spam plan was fairly fun. If below the curve.

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>>52481735
Is there anything worth having 3 of so much that you'd want to include Localised Product Line?

Maybe Scorched?

>>52495280

Why not Boom! instead? 9 inf instead of 12, especially since one is probably going mids/HHNs anyway.

Unless the runner can easily hammer HQ, having all 3 Boom! is pretty much gg.

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>>52495610
Boom is trashable, and the 2 tags is an issue... but yeah, it's a cool idea.

Localised product lines for high-power weaponry, that's some fun ideas

>>52495630

Even if trashed, archived mens/reclaim order is in-faction, so you can always get them back. Sometimes it can actually be easier to do that assuming the runner isn't packing slums/archive interface.

Besides, most CB kill decks have always run mids anyway, so getting multiple tags is par for the course. HHN is a welcome supplement for tagging 'fun'.

>>52495280
Hasty CI uses it to grab their Hasty Relocations and Shipment from SanSans back. The card has to be something that can and is worth spamming, so usually operations. A tag kill deck would want to fire their HHNs at random moments I would say. If the new O2 card was cheaper I'd say that. Cheap operations would make a prime target I'd say, like Financial Collapse maybe? Or Load Testing with Efficiency Committee.

So I've been out of ANR for almost a year. Is there any hope of being able to get back into the game, or is it just going to be a $2500 slog for nothing?

>>52496438

Idk, wait a few more months for rotation I guess?

In the meantime, there is always Terminal Directive. Once FFG releases the damn box already.

>>52496664
Is terminal directive the newest set, or something else?

>>52497339

It's essentially a big box for Crims/Shapers/HB/Weyland with a legacy-style campaign component. There have been some spoilers, and even a special launch event announced, but the product is nowhere in sight.

Product code is ADN42, which supposedly means it was due for release *before* the Mars cycle.

>>52497418
According to me FLGS it should be available this month.

>>52496438
I'm trying to figure out a way to do this too for a friend of mine who has trouble finding motivation to catch up to newer cards, so to speak. I might indulge him and play only with cards that he owns and is familiar with whenever he plays, which I definitely don't mind.

I'd say to take it slow and just build decks you find fun with whatever you have, and don't worry about catching up too hard. With enough exposure you'll figure out the new cards to be aware of, and adapt accordingly. Don't forget that proxying is also an option for casual games.

>>52495280

I've never found a use that justified the cost, but in the jank overload category, I enjoyed playing that Weyland deck using it to get three Space Camp in HQ as soon as possible when not used for kill combo.

Not going to win any tournament with that one, but always funny to just dare the runner to get into that HQ.

>>52493456

is his wife cheating on him?

>>52497992
I'm just trying to get back in to the game. From what I hear there was a thriving ANR community here until 2014 when one LGS offered the TO $75 a night to run at their store and not the old one. Everyone moves and then disbands after a rash of cheating and "disappearances" of decks and chits.

I'm trying to see if anyone rebooted it.

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>>52500298
Maybe, or she could be just talking to her boss or underling or friend or relative.

More importantly, Dinosaurus has a cereal!

>>52497778

I hope your FLGS is right, although the way things are going I fear more 'unfortunate' delays.

Wonder how long it would take for the launch party packs to reach their destinations?

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So is anyone else stoked for the unholy union of Fisk and Polyhistor?

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>>52504748
Yeah, I definitely thought of Fisk when Polyhistor was spoiled, looks like he'll love it.

As a minor point, I really wasn't impressed at how they handled Fisk and CP - they deserved more than just being shoved in at the end of San San - Fisk at least made some sense there, but it was kinda poorly done imo

>>52504748
As someone who was running WitRD, Bhagat, and Find the Truth in Fisk, you're damn right I am.

Half tempted to put a Equivocation in there too.

>>52504748
Rushing the Corp won't by Tier 1 till Jackson rotates out. No point in talking about Tier 2 & 3 Jank.

>>52501537
>>52500298

Maybe she is trying to hire a contract killer to make herself a widow?

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>>52507891
>>52500298
>>52493456

JUST WHO IS THIS MAN?

>>52504985

Equivocation/System Outage can be pretty fun. Think Lamprey in a headlock deck, only you're flooding HQ as you keep the corp poor.

Played it in a Jesminder deck where it fit pretty well, what with the SA/Vamp spam (and I love having a plan for every server). Will definitely try to slot that in Fisk next I build him.

>>52507868

As someone that experimented a lot with Fisk, all I'll say is that in non-competitive metas where Jackson wasn't auto-include in every deck, he was considered more than a mouthful.

Granted, there might a difference in piloting skill at play also in those cases also, but still. Competitive people are way too used to having a magical solution to flooding.
Going to be fun playing with them as they learn to play the game again using the "shit" (ie fairly balanced) replacement options.

>>52504748

I don't know about stocked, but it's cool we're having replacements to rotating cards (I'll be in the minority, but I'll really miss WitRD, such a cool design) and overall more support for the guy. I like him. Intrigued by the Link. I wonder if there is or will be something to do with it in a Fisk deck.

>>52496438

Depending on how you like to play (and the options available to you), the easiest might just be to not update your card pool yet, go play the game with others that have, and see in mingling if you dig the game in its current state. Then update if you find things to your taste.
As a preamble, just go on cardgamedb give a look to the two cycles you're missing, and see if the cards inspire you building.

>>52508857

That is no man, baby!

>>52511609
Do you think a political asset with this card text would be op?

Jinteki.net down for anyone else?
saying 504 server error

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>>52511772
What,
>When the Runner's turn begins, give the Runner 1 tag unless he or she pays 1c.

I don't think so.
Though if it's Political, they're all "when YOUR turn begins" with the caveat of being undefended, which could be strong but not too OP I think - if you couldn't pay for that you were likely going to get trace-tagged anyway

Annoyingly no full-arts of any of the political assets have been put up yet - don't know why artists so rarely seem to like putting up their commercial work

>>52511853
Yeah - been down since yesterday evening I think.
Anyone remember the mirror site?

>>52511925
>don't know why artists so rarely seem to like putting up their commercial work

Uh... because FFG paid them and have the rights to the full size? It's not that complicated

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>>52511942
>and have the rights to the full size
FFG puts limits on when they put out the art (which artists mention from time to time, mainly because of how ridiculously far in advance they make cards), but the abundance of full art tells us that they don't hold total rights to the art

Honestly wondering if Iain Sterling ever gets an AA, whether his influence would be errated to be more then 10. His ability seems an awful lot like Gabe/Los once its condition is triggered.

Then again, if there is ever a situation where an all-blue deck is possible due to MWL, he would have the dubious 'honor' of losing the least out of the reduced influence.

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>>52504859
CP seems to have some support - bioethics and most net damage, but the advantage doesn't seem like it's been picked up on, mainly because recursion.

If you had to make a card to support Fisk or Chronos (and I think Fisk probably needs it more, despite how rare Chronos is), what would that look like?

Also, thinking of underplayed IDs, I'm also wondering about a Harishchandra information deck - the idea of this sensie and interactive entertainment studio having access to a LOT of information, especially from tags - it shows not all tags are created equal - in Harischandra they represent a snapshot of or connection to the runner's mind on the net, which can be analysed to know what the runner is thinking about, so "we know what you want", the ID's tagline, is really "we know where you are, and we can basically read your surface-level thoughts"

>>52512883
If Iain had any good depictions in card images I'd consider commissioning another AA like my Silhouette to my friend. But what do we have? The Unscheduled maintenance, alias and Feint? MAYBE Jinteki's fundraising? Neither are cool enough for an ID. The closer is the current, but his face there seems weird to me.

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>>52513465
Feint is probably the coolest, but it's still a bit lame

Is Alias him?
Flavour text is pretty funny though, the use of "mimic" there cannot be anything other than intentional

>>52512937
>and I think Fisk probably needs it more
Does he really? Seminar, his ability, Polyhistor, 3 clicks of Equivocation, Eden Shard, and that one spoiled TD card is atleast 10 + 1 mandatory draw into HQ. It's nullified by Jackson somewhat (keep 5, play 3, shuffle 3 back in), but Jackson is only 3 uses. Assuming the runner has the credits, he can keep up 7 cards into HQ per turn, which isn't anything to scoff at.

Chronos has limited support with Salem's Hospitality and Salem himself, any additional support would have to boost either the snipe, or the information gathered from looking at the runner's grip, the latter of which would help Harishchandra as well. NBN cards could play around with the design space Snoop tried to do, and restrict the cards which the Runner can play (asset, start of turn, choose a card type. Runner cannot play those cards, even during the turn the asset is trashed). Jinteki cards could expand the selection to pick off from, or have harder hitting net damage (5 influence, 4 - 5 credits, deal 1 net damage, remove from game).

On that note, maybe Netrunner could benefit from a variation AHLCG's Exceptional deckbuilding rule, which doubles the printed exp cost to import into your deck (but doesn't restrict certain investigators from importing the card itself due to level requirement). No idea how it would work beyond restricting factions though (pay 8 to import Siphon into Anarch).

>>52509558

I've actually just hatched another idea for Disk and one that us slightly less ruined by J-How. Namely running him with the Gauntlet until we get Polyhistor. Until then, if you have some other forced draw support you can just flood their hand and hit them with the Multiaccess. They can't Jackson their problems away if you hit their hand the same turn you force them to multidraw.

Once we have Poly though... Oh the Legwork runs will be beautiful.

>>52514615

*Fisk rather

>>52512937

On that note, given the rise of the Tag Me play they seem to want to promote for Anarchs, do you think the tagging system would be more interesting with more "tiers" to it? Increase the Tag requirement on certain cards that exist now and have them be more like Psychographics? I feel like that would sort of give it more of a risk/reward feel than the current system. As it stands if you aren't going pure tag me there's no reason to let *any* tags stick due to the sheer amount of control it gives the Corp over you with even one, and for Corp decks that care about tagging as a main game plan mean you basically have to go as oppressive as possible or get neutered of they have any tag answers.

Rather I think it would be interesting to see a bit more back and forth on it. Make it so that maybe the Corp can do annoying but not crippling things at one tag, but the more tags you accrue, the worse things the Corp can do to you (And to that end I'd like to see more Corp side effects that are "for each tag the Runner has" and/or that require removing tags to do things. ... Incidentally I'd want trashing resources to require tag removal as well but that's going to be a messy discussion so we can elaborate on it later) Makes it so maybe it's worth it to float that one (maybe two) tags because I'm willing to risk a Closed Accounts to maintain my tempo. On the flip side doing this would probably require tag removal Runner side to be a little more pricey.

>>52515006
It is probably too late in the game to change up the current tagging system, as any sort of tiered tag effect will pale in comparison to binary ones like Scorched or Closed Accounts. And even if those were banned for example, there still needs to be an abundance of ways to tag the runner while still allowing a deck to function in a non-tag-n-bag way. In the long run only NBN would really benefit from tiered tag punishment as the other factions just don't have the support for it, which I think is a fine thing even in the current game if only they lacked access to binary tag punishment.

I'd be interested to see a runner that treats tags as an additional resource though, an ID that would let you balance between taking tags and benefiting from it, and avoiding corp punishment. Maybe something a little more elegant than:

"X is equal to the number of tags you have.
Whenever you would take damage, you may place power counters up to equal the amount of damage on ID, and prevent that amount of damage. You may only have up to X power counters on ID.

X recurring credits: You may use these credits for anything, except removing tags.

Hosted power counter: Take 1 meat damage.

You may not use runner card abilities that interact with tags or the state of being tagged."

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>>52515006
Tag-tiers is something that's been talked about a few times, and while I like the fundamental concept (and we have seen a tiny-ass bit of it implemented with BOOM and pic related), the sheer amount of cards that would need to be changed means it'd probably have to be implimented in a reboot

I don't think trashing resources should require tag removal though, not unless losing tags gets much, much harder.
Both a tier system and more difficult removal (and relatedly harder tagging in general) could also make piling on tags - something we've not seen much of (who plays Big Brother?) a viable tactic.

Though if tags are getting more interesting what I would like is for them to be more available to all factions - HB and Jinteki often can't do dick to resources, they just have to look on like chumps while the runner builds their board.
Giving them in-faction access to the low tiers of tagging, but making most high-end be Weyland (smashing shit) and NBN (ice power, agendas, money etc.) would be cool

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>>52516005
>who plays Big Brother?
I have the sudden urge to make a SEASource -> Subcontract (Big Brother + BOOM) deck. Sounds like a bitch and half of a combo though.

Well, cards that hurt "per tag" we have Information Overload and Watchdogs, which I find fairly balanced for what they do, but hardly anyone plays (because who wants to play balanced cards?), we have Shoot the Moon which is powerful and barely played either, and we have the upcoming Escalate Vitriol (which no one will play since it's a 4/2 that cannot benefit from multiple scoring as far as we can see).

Remains Resistor, Best Defense and Thoth. The first as far as I can see generally played because it's a zero-cost barrier, the bonus strength is barely icing on the cake most of t the times. Kinda similar for Best Defense. Jury is still out on the ibis. Haven't seen it much though.

Oh, and of course, the grand daddy Psychographics. Which you have to respect.

>>52515874
>I'd be interested to see a runner that treats tags as an additional resource though

Jarogniew Mercs?

>>52514114
>Chronos has limited support with Salem's Hospitality and Salem himself

I don't really see those as Chronos support. If I chose an ID that has an effect like that, what I want in support cards are things that will allow it to fire, or things that will magnify the impact. Replication of the very same effect? Not so much (might just be me... I would understand it if the idea was straight taxing, but here there's a qualitative side to it).

Interesting support for Chronos I think in Mars with Kakugo - leaving you with Hokusai (for now at least) on central and and it on remotes to ensure a fire. Maybe Synth DNA Mod?

Scarcity of Resource is interesting support I'd say. Either the runner installs sensitive resources asap to prevent damage-trash, but then loses early game tempo, or the runner keeps them int he grip where you can ping them.

Bio-Ethics/Psychic Field threat.

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>>52516417
Subcontract into Big Brother sounds hilarious and I want it.
Actually Subcontract is just cool on its own and I wish there were more times it could get used, but the need for the runner to be tagged is really tough.

>>52516895
Mercs feels less like a resource to manage and more a tag me buff I feel. There should be a point where the tags become too much and should probably be trimmed.

>Chronos + Salem
They're support in that once you fire Chronos once, you'll know what to name for those two cards, making Hospitality effectively extra Neurals that can play around I've Had Worse. Personally I'd want cards that don't make Chronos Protocol into another 1000 cuts deck, though I have no idea how you'd design cards for a sniping archetype.

>>52512937
>it shows not all tags are created equal

All tags are currently scrubbed by Aaron Marron. I'd wait until he's on the MWL.

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>>52518916
Wasn't he not actually on Spoiler Ken's list, the bastard?

>>52516895

Well again, I feel like part of the reason those "fairer" multitag cards don't see play is part of the same reason I suggested the Tag removal with resource destruction. As it stands why am I going to risk floating a single tag, let alone multiple, when my resources can just be machinegunned off the table at one? (And at one influence it's not like The All-Seeing I wouldn't be splashable if you found a board full of resources that unmanageable)

>>52519455

The All seeing I is another reason why I'm really hoping for a bad pub renewal.

That being said, going tag-me, Activist support was generally a good enough answer.

So turns out targeted marketing is garbage econ-wise (free current tho), but Chronos can be pretty fun.

Might try swapping it out for Blacklist (or maybe KGRTV?)

>>52520526
Yeah, it's not so much econ as it is a deterrent.

>>52520776

I've honestly found it rather disappointing. Even running a Sol deck for awhile I found I enjoyed running System Outage much more.

>>52519158

Because of those wonderful martian informants that somehow managed to disguise themselves as earthers.

>>52516005

Actually to expand on this idea, if you made shaking tags a little harder but consequently made the harsher tag punishment require more tags it also changes the dynamic of Account Siphon. What if removing those two tags the turn you siphon were tempo-negative enough that it almost wasn't worth it to begin with? Suddenly if you want to capitalize on that credit swing then you just Bute the tags, take advantage of the window where the Corp is broke and worry about shaking the tags off later, but before more get piled on.