MTG COMPETITIVE MODERN GENERAL

>get any of these in japanese
>put it in any awful control shell
>win as every game 2 goes to time with all the judge calls

remake OP with actually magic related pic plz

>>52419322
these are hella nice, cant wait to pull one

>>52418058
>>52418286
>>52418842
(Repostan)
I do like that they are gold. Wonder if they'll make all masterpiece cards gold going forward.

Also, is it just the lighting or does Cryptic Command kinda look white-blue?

>>52419421
kek

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Look at this fucking monstrosity.

>>52419322

This has to be a joke. Early April fools or something.

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>>52419508
Honestly the only thing that really throws these cards off is the retarded pillar boarders, they would look actually pretty nice if someone took that away and the stupid hieroglyphics. Oh well these will still be expensive

I cannot believe these are real, I mean I know how shit WOTC are but these are a whole new level.

what the fuck am i looking at

>>52419660
This is how MTG cards will be printed from now on, get used to it

>>52419322
You know, if they go for cheap I might just chuck a copy into the Jund to tilt my opponent even more for over overcommitting with that second Noble Hierarch.

>>52419508
The white ones look less bad because of the side coloring

>>52419587
Wizards could shit on a piece of paper and if it would be super expensive as long as it was rare enough

remember bois, it's real

https://twitter.com/TrickMTG/status/846850855626145792

>>52419322

>Aven Mindcensor
>Maelstrom Pulse

Holy shit, would it kill those kikes to properly reprint cards that are in demand?

Countespell? Wrath? There is no fucking logic to this shit.

>>52419508
It looks like the top of the picture got cut off.

I'm on abzan coco, my opponent is on dome nahiri shell.

I dont have the combo in hand. Do I just play my creatures into an inevitable wrath/anger? Or let him set up a blood moon and chalice while I just sit and wait for a good play?

>>52419849
Reprinting a card at the ultra mythic rarity would do shit to the price. These are meant to be super rare collector items. Hell, reprinting Goyf at mythic did barely anything.

>>52419849

They're doing mind twist and force also

>>52419996

That's bullshit. Many of these cards need normal reprints.

Do the Jews just hate Egypt or something?

>>52419804
this looks a lot better

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>No rebecca guay art
They better fire whover had the idea of doing that

>>52420065
They walked out, so I would assume so.

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It's shit boys

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So why can't I play Magic Duels?

>>52420194
The Mind Twist actually looks a bit better than the rest, since the black works with the black accents, and the art is pretty good.

Force is shit in every respect though

>>52420194
>that force of will

Thats going to be the first case of masterpiece promo being cheaper than the original.

>>52420265
the cards look far better in paper
the dumb 3d border looks normal

>>52420273
Never underestimate the power of Legacy autists who want to be special.

>>52420265

>The Mind Twist actually looks a bit better than the rest, since the black works with the black accents, and the art is pretty good.

This, mind twist is mint as fuck. They should change that little black accent to being the cards color as well, because it really makes the cards look too cluttered

>>52420349

And on top of this, mind twists actual art is fucking sick

It has a old-style art feel

>>52420369
>>52420349
>>52420265
WOTC internet defense force please fuck off

>>52420065
Yeah, Moses would agree.

>>52420312
dont forget EDH nerds

>>52420447
>REEEEE YOU CAN'T HAVE A DIFFERENT OPINION FROM ME, YOU'RE A SHILL REEEEE
damn it, you got me, my cover's blown

>>52420506
I feel like it's irresponsible to express praise for the company's few good ideas (and I'm not saying these are good ones) without tempering the statement with some acknowledgement that this is not the sort of shit that addresses any of the problems the game is having as a game and its affordability.

It's like standing in a tornado-blasted ruin and telling the people there, "what a nice sunny day it is."

It just feels ignorant of you to send any good will their way. I understand this stuff was already in the pipeline by the time they announced that they needed to unfuck themselves but now they need to apply a salve to soothe all the butthurt for the next three years until decisions made today can come into realization. And quite frankly, I'm not seeing it; I'm not seeing how any of my money spent on their game has been used to make the game better or sustainable in any way.

I don't care how rare it happens, I don't want to play in a Limited format where I can fucking get Worship played on me or get Mind Twisted. Or Bonfire of the Damned in MM3.

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I'm legitimately going to call a Judge when I see one of these played.

>>52420913
>I don't care how rare it happens, I don't want to play in a Limited format where I can fucking get Worship played on me or get Mind Twisted. Or Bonfire of the Damned in MM3.
>I don't want to lose in Limited

Look anon, while I agree that these masterpieces are fugly and that you shouldn't be able to use them in limited, you and I aren't WotC's audience any more. Idiots are. Seriously, people who give a fuck aren't the audience, only people who don't give a shit are the audience. Nothing you and I do will change their minds, so we may as well save our money.

>>52420914
Repetitive, facetious judge calls will get you kicked.

>>52420950
There is actually a notable issue with these: they lack either a black or white border, which the Comps call out as necessary for tournament-legal cards. This is (part of the reason) why you can't play gold-border or silver-border cards in tournaments. These will need a special allowance or be caught by the same issue.

>>52420950
>Implying I'm going to do it more than once a tourney
>Implying someone couldn't reasonably make the case they don't think it's a real Magic Card

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>tfw I actually like the new masterpieces

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> 3.3 Authorized Card
> Players may use any cards from special sets, supplements, and promotional printings that, unaltered, meet the following conditions:
> The card has black or white borders

Oh my

>>52420968
I see black on those borders senpai.

>>52421014
They're probably just gonna change 3.3 to include these, somehow. It'll be retarded but there it is. Or maybe they won't be tournament legal. That'd be a hell of a twist.

>>52421029
>mfw that's why the black accents are there

>>52421014
If these aren't tournament legal they will be worth less than 5 dollars at most.

>>52421014
This might be a way to get non-standard border cards legal. They print these, then change the rules. This allows them to potentially reprint things that they couldn't necessarily reprint before.

>>52420944
I guess it's time for me to go away then.

I've actually already packed up all my competitive Magic shit into a box for storage and donated all my loose stuff to my store. All that's left is a Cube that I'm going to continue maintaining like a 400-card deck.

Every time I've written Wizards I've gotten just a "we appreciate your concern..." response.

The last thing to do really is just to leave /tg/.

>>52421097
>writing letters to wizards
Top Autism

>>52421122
Not the guy you're talking to, but

>Not voicing your concerns as a consumer when you have an issue with a product

Literally die.

>>52421097
>I guess it's time for me to go away then.
Sad but possible. I've basically done it myself. I sell cards still (it's a living) but I don't really play.

>I've actually already packed up all my competitive Magic shit into a box for storage and donated all my loose stuff to my store. All that's left is a Cube that I'm going to continue maintaining like a 400-card deck.
Cube's always fun. Honestly, playing casually with friends is never out of style. Maybe shift gears and jam games with pals?

>Every time I've written Wizards I've gotten just a "we appreciate your concern..." response.
That's both unsurprising and depressing. At least you tried. Vote with your wallet I guess.

>The last thing to do really is just to leave /tg/.
Eh, /tg/ ain't so bad. Stick around, join the shitposters.

>>52421163
You're not a consumer though, I'm sure you buy strictly from the secondary market

>>52421006
Look on the bright side: you'll probably be able to pick them up pretty cheap.

>>52421205

This is a stupid post

>>52421221
I fucked your mother

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>>52419587
like this?

>>52421171
>join the shitposters

Seriously, this is what everyone should do this. I stopped playing mtg years ago and shit posting is the only reason I don't filter these threads out.

so whats the masterpieces theme this time? hate cards?

>>52421205
Wanna know how I know you have no clue about economics?

>>52420913

>A single card out of the lot isn't an aesthetic mess
>If you point out something that's okay, you're literally Hitler because you're condoning the practices

fuck off

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>>52421260

like this

>>52421171
I've been hateposting against Wizards here for almost two years. I'm a bit tired because it seems like not enough people here change.

The entirety of /tg/ should have completely boycotted MM3 and/or hated on the set in real life. And while a fair chunk of people said it was bullshit, there were still people who were excited. And I can't tell if they're just fucking ignorant or shills but either way, the conclusion either way isn't comforting. And it's the same at the store - it's like these people are completely numb to how completely shit Wizards is treating its players; the funniest thing is that the only person at my store who actually understands is the store owner because he actually runs a fucking business and he's tired of the disproportionate amount of effort it takes to support Magic for the return - it's a worthwhile return but the fucking lip-time and repeated effort you have to exert is a lot. Wizards just dumps all the horrible customer service onto the stores and they make the job harder every time they introduce some new novelty bullshit because Magic players can't seem to use Google.

>>52421280
Same theme it's always been.
>We want Cube/EDH players to buy packs

>>52421280
Good colored spells, I guess? Since they already did both customarily colorless types I guess this was all they could think of.

>>52421280
Disruption.

>>52421280
Autism

>>52421286
I would actually be okay with the fakey sand nigger font if the rest of the card looked like this

>>52419322
>IMAELSTROMPULSEI

What did they mean by that?

How the fuck do people win games with Grim Flayer in their deck? Card is beyond bad but some faggot 8-0'd the MOCS with this retarded 22-land abzan list

>>52422243
You could have grizzly bears as your threat in mid range, the discard does all the work

>>52422243
It's not really that terrible, when both players are topdecking it's pretty good, filters draws and what not. It's not great, but it's okay.

>>52421499
It's 4chan. People actually getting convinced of something and changing their minds here is a myth. Use your time and energy to do something more productive than trying to recruit internet strangers to your cause against a gaming company.

>>52421286
Does this mean counterspell is now modern legal?

>>52422582
Probably not. But maybe.

>>52422582

No

They printed Sol Ring as a masterpiece, it doesn't mean Sol Ring is now modern legal.

>>52422602
>>52422625
???

So they're reprinting it for what, legacy?

>>52422582
no, it also doesn't mean that chain lightning is now legal
if this made things legal, everything from eternal masters would have been made legal too, it's one of those special sets

>>52422636
It's collectors items

>>52422676
only problem is that the cards are so fucking ugly that no one will collect them

>>52422636

Anywhere it's already legal
Legacy, commander, pauper, whatever.

>>52422639
>it's one of those special sets

Somebody give me a quick rundown on this shit. What are "special" sets and what are "normal" ones?

>>52422696
If its not printed for standard its in the "special" category.

>>52422390
>Use your time and energy to do something more productive
True.

But that just means that the ultimate conclusion is to let the game go to shit because the overseers are fucking retarded. If trying to change things online and in real life isn't important than what is?

There's a surprising amount of stuff that goes to shit.

>>52422696
there's no hard and fast way to tell, wizards just kinda decides when to make one. the expedition/masterpiece sets along with all of the masters sets are good examples of special sets, along with commander decks and the sort
as long as it isn't being printed as a new set for standard, it's safe to assume it's one of those special sets

>>52422729
>There's a surprising amount of stuff that goes to shit.

It's like that overused batman line, "you either die a hero or you live long enough to see yourself become the villain".

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>m-m-muh magic is dying! Fuck you wizards I know literally every set you put out sells better than the last one and millions of people enjoy your game but do things the way I say ;_; a bloo bloo bloo
Yeah fucking kill yourselves.

>>52422892
Popularity =/= quality

>>52422911
Yeah when their sales start to decline then maybe they'll listen to your autistic cries

>>52422938
Not an argument.

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>>52420194
>mfw I can induce even more autistic rage by countering someone's spell

>>52422938
You think that just because everyone owns an iPhone and Apple is the richest company in the world that means they've obviously producing the best conceivable product?

Or that just because Magic rakes in hundreds of millions of dollars in revenue that must mean it's in the very best and sustainable state?

Magic is the fucking Emperor, no one is even close from getting him of his golden throne, but everyone has spent the last 10000 years saying its already dead.

>>52423011
I mean, considering millions of people love magic and still play it and enjoy it and buy it, and you're just a whiny faggot on the Internet, yes I do believe mtg is the best card game and while they're not perfect they do an excellent job. Maybe if you kill yourself you'll be happy.

>>52423050
I think I'd be happy if you killed yourself instead

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Check it out guys, hot new leak

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What's next in the way of cards with on-death triggers? When will wiz stop printing OP bullshit like pics related?

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>>52419322
God and I thought the aesthetics couldn't get any worse after that sideways flip card. I'd just about acclimated to the boring identical overly-photoshopped digital art on every single card. I've given up on the storyline ever being interesting or a single likeable character ever getting introduced. I even managed to tolerate Kaladesh's hideous bulbous magitek bullshit. And then they pull this.

What the actual fuck.

>>52423105
>push
>op
wew

>>52423161
Fatal Push was the only card in YEARS to receive the maximum rating of 5.0 on Luis Scott-Vargas's Set Review (http://www.channelfireball.com/articles/aether-revolt-limited-set-review-black/), its clearly broken in older formats and already a struggle to deal with in Standard too

Push and fetches kills SO much, its downright punishing to play against

>>52423050
Standard, Modern and Legacy attendance are dropping. More money is being consolidated in the hands of large secondary retailers like SCG, leading to local stores making less money and closing or discontinuing Magic-related events. While sets are managing to sell it all means nothing if people continue to quit playing. Magic has staying power but if their failed online ventures like Duels and Origins are any indication people are not actually interested in playing the game.

Will it die? Probably not, but not many people think the game is in a good state.

>>52423268
Source on any of that you pathetic virgin?

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>>52423231
Just avoid playing any small creatures? I don't see why it's so highly rated.

>>52423105
Tragic slip should be reprinted with the same art as fatal push except instead of kicking the kicker guy is tryna grab his friend as he slips off the edge.

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>>52423317
That was a feasible tactic when such cards costed 1B or more to play, but now with the cost of B there's nothing we can do, anyone can keep a single black source open and just intimidate and put pressure on you with it

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>>52423105
>tfw my kitchen table friend got a Colossus of Akros and simply just bought a tragic slip

Kinda feel like a dick, but you know everything should have an answer.

>>52423317
4cmc isn't exactly small. I've got a playset of fatal push's so I'm not biased against it and I'd rate it as extremely strong.

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>not just playing Pokémon while waiting for Magic to fix itself

>>52423307

Not that guys, but the reason why they are even working on a new online platform for the game is because Hasbro is not satisfied with how Duels and the Online client aren't bringing more people and is being washed by its competition, like hearthstone and pokemon TCG online.

Also, the increase in the amount of different products being pushed one after another, The fact that hearthstone managed to make the same amount of profit WotC made with MTG in the last 10 years, they decreasing the appearance fees for platinum level pros, etc.

They are selling well, yes, but not well enough when compared to the competition, at least from Hasbro's point of view.

>>52423352

Are those worth anything after the whole mapping thing?

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Why do the majority of MTG players look down on people who aren't the normal card shop type? I'm not saying I'm an Adonis, but I work out and I have a good job and I dress well and I have a girlfriend. I have my LGS where everyone knows me and is really cool, but when I go other places it's really different. Everywhere I go people legitimately shun me, they don't talk to me, and there's always asking if I netdeck. I actually don't netdeck for the first month of standard, I always like to brew around, and even in modern when something new comes out I'll try it out for a week or two and sometimes it does okay. But every time I go somewhere my opinion is just disregarded, I mean no matter what it is, I'm always wrong, no one ever agrees with me. I try to be really nice, I run my own business and I know one of the most important parts of the job is to make people feel welcome. But I just don't feel welcome in these places. People seem to get upset when I beat them, I hear people talking negatively about me behind my back sometimes after I just met them. It really sucks, I don't look down on other people, I really don't, but it seems like people look down on me and don't respect my opinion on Magic cause I don't look like them. It really sucks, I just don't understand it.

>>52423426
As a ridiculously handsome guy I can tell you it's two things mainly.

1. Aesthetic guys are much less likely on average to be nerdy or be very knowledgeable about nerdy stuff.

2. Jealousy.

>>52419508
>literally foot worship
Someone's beating off to this art right now.

>>52423371
Magic is expensive and the rules are complex.

Hearthstone is free (though you can end up spending a lot) and the rules are simple. It also has the big advantage of the warcraft brand recognition. It's also only a digital game.

>>52423388
Why wouldn't they be? The mapping fiasco didn't increase the chance of them appearing, it only established where the upper rarity packs where in the booster box. They go for about $80 buy it now on eBay, but you can spike the occasional auction for as low as $65. The price is slowly going down as people keep buying Sun and Moon, but will probably go back up once the next sets come out.

reminder that if you want to not give money to WotC then just buy cards from the chinaman and go play good formats

>>52423520
If you are found with counterfeit cards in a sanctioned event you will lose all of your planeswalker points and be permanently banned from all DCI-sanctioned events in the future. Its an immediate disqualification from the entire event and you are physically thrown out of the premises.

>>52423499
>fallen arches
Ew no.

>>52423520
Why not just regular retailers like scg or tcgplayer. I'm assuming wotc doesn't get any cut of that.

>>52423572
because the collapse of the secondary market and its rampant inflation can only be a good thing for the game

>>52423558
oh no not my planeswalker points

>>52423558
That isn't even true. You get a game loss and are given time to collect legitimate copies or else you'll have to drop from the event. Usually you'll get part of your money back as well if you feign ignorance.

t. Judge for GPs

>>52423514

All the more reasons why it's embarassing,
in Hasbro's opinion, that it's doing so much better than Magic.

Magic also has brand recognition, being possibly the most iconic CCG in the US, has decades of content to work with, etc.

Duels is also free, doesn't require you to pay anything, has more updates than hearthstone, teaches the game really well, has a better story mode, yet isn't nowhere near as successful as hearthstone, despite being on the market only a year less than hearthstone.

The numbers are there and the guys paying the bills, Hasbro, don't think it's enough.

>>52423352
Playing literally the worst popular tcg

>>52423659
[citation needed]

>>52423558
Dude, I don't mean to be rude, but who fucking cares
Why would anyone care about any of that jimmy christ bullshit

>>52423690
Prize system, nuff said

>>52423517

With the pokémn TCG guys releasing reprints all the time and overprinting eveyr new set?

Don't count on that

>>52423694
Counterfeiting cards is a huge problem that seriously hurts the value of real cards that collectors worked hard to acquire. You should require real cards to compete in the events, that's the traditional way. Proxies are fine for practicing and individual store/low-tier events, but a sanctioned tournament is a professional environment where the traditions and importance of the original cards should be honored.

I gaurentee you that anyone with a Legacy-legal collection or with even one Legacy-viable deck would have a much dimmer view of counterfeit cards than someone who only plays Modern, Standard, or Pauper.

>>52423268
Four stores in a 100km radius to me; was 5, one closed. Two of the remainder in cities with universities. Attendance has shit the bed in all the stores.

Whatever fucking metric Wizards is using to gauge "Magic is growing" it sure as fuck has nothing to with attendance.

Magic has gone to shit, video games have gone to shit, the outdoors is infested with lunatics shooting anything that moves from a pickup truck, and now the Internet in the United States has gone to shit.

I really do wonder at the people who are legitimately happy. Do they just not realize that things are falling apart and quality is going down the shitter?

>>52423920
Great anecdotal evidence

>>52423914
>I gaurentee you that anyone with a Legacy-legal collection or with even one Legacy-viable deck would have a much dimmer view of counterfeit cards than someone who only plays Modern, Standard, or Pauper.
Haven't played a match of unsanctioned or sanctioned Legacy in three years because nobody owns the cards. Would rather have the environment infested with counterfeits to play games than not play games.

>>52423426
It has nothing to do with the way you look. I am a fat ass and the same thing happens to me. Autists are very territorial.

>>52423914
I don't touch awful formats like Standard.
Only ever played Legacy/Vintage.
Have the cards for Legacy (albeit from back when they were worth far less) and I'm just going to slowly sell them off while buying whatever fake staples I need.

Just because I was lucky enough to have duals doesn't mean that all new players should get jewed out of the good formats by the secondary market. If anything eternal players are more understanding of how counterfeits could help the community.

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>>52423111
>disliking Kaladesh's aesthetic
Fuck right off. The story was garbage, but the plane and its art direction was gorgeous.

Amonkhet even looks decent, the only massive, glaring problem are the Invocation borders. They somehow thought giving art real estate to that godawful 3D border effect was a good idea, and I hope whoever came up with it was executed.

>>52423976
I honestly feel like the magic scene is becoming more toxic. People don't want to be around ugly disgusting sweaty dudes that smell like shit.

>>52424037
This is the big reason I'm okay with Wizards catering to a new audience.

>>52423914
As someone who plays Legacy, I proxy the shit out of every Vintage deck because it's a fun format but I'm not dropping $16,000+ on a deck, especially not when shit like the Moat buyout is not only legal but performed by WotC's partners SCG et al.

>>52424058
Explain the Moat buyout for me i wasn't around for it, starcitygames stirring up trouble with collusion again?

>>52423914
I have four fucking legacy decks (although admittedly I have to move the duals around from deck to deck depending on what I want to play that night) and I gladly welcome proxy fags to legacy night with open fucking arms because at least I have someone to play with. I would burn my whole collection, dump the ashes in the toilet and piss on it before flushing if wotc would print staple cards until they hit reasonable prices so I could convince people to try the game, or not have new players just plain give up the moment they hear it takes several hundred, to a few thousand dollars to play the game at a competitive level.

Modern too. I like both formats. Fight me.

>>52423514
in all honest the warcraft tie in is what turns be off the most and keeps me from trying it. i quit wow years ago and dont want anything to do with that shit.

>>52424077
Moat buyout wasn't SCG, some schmuck bought most the copies and the price went from $200 to $600 on a couple sites and everyone else followed suit.

Still though there was the canceling Jace VP orders, and cardkingdom doing the C13 buyout.

>>52424077
not him, but there's an interview with the guy on mtgprice about the buyouts.
Claims he "started out as a 'scummy' trader, but that’s not who I am anymore."
Main argument is that someone else was going to do a buyout (SCG) and that "all I did was expedite the process."

Which leads into the stellar series of quotes
>I don’t look at Magic as a game, I look at it as a business, and it’s kind of like day trading. I feel bad for anyone priced out personally, but it’s not going to change what the business is. It’s just how the world works.
>Magic isn’t really a hobby anymore; there’s so just so much money involved. You walk into Grand Prix Vegas last year, and there’s 46 dealers each spending on average $100,000 to $150,000 with some of the bigger dealers spending up to $400,000. That’s $7 million dollars spent — that’s how big of a business this is.
>The people who complain about prices don’t affect the market. They weren’t the ones who were going to spend money from the beginning. With Moat, I’ve never seen so many people complain about a card they were never going to buy. It’s really easy to have trigger fingers and complain about something, but it doesn’t affect the market.

Basically, it's a guy who brings Wall Street ideas into a virgin market and exploits it. Common story. The problem is that WotC allows this to happen.

>>52424181
I say that literally every fucking thread and people always call me a kike. If you weren't gonna buy most when it was 250 you're not gonna fucking buy it when it's 600, fucking faggots.

We need a fucking masterwork Camel!!!!!

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>>52424265
Surely there must be a Magic version of this

>people around me: "oh baby this unregulated stock market is great"
>me: "I must win in my children's card game"

>>52424265
You're a kike.

I was literally going to buy LEDs when they were $70 but after the buyout fuck that.

>>52424265
Why would you post anything related to making money off cardboard and expect to be called anything but a kike?

>>52424416
Wow it's only 100 dollars now

Can mono-red burn actually win? I just want a simple deck that I can upgrade over time.

>>52424517
>143% of the original price
>but I'm the one in the wrong

This is why I play Pauper. Can't scalp in a format where any other deck is $50.

>>52424549
Nope.

>>52424265

Not really, people with smaller incomes do a thing called "saving money".

So, let's say you can only save 100 bucks a month, you'd take 2 and a half months to buy one moat, maybe finish your set withing the year. Now, with the price at 600 hundred, it will 2 years to get the same set.

THEN he won't buy it anymore.

>>52424549
>bolt hits for 3 damage/1 mana
>maximum 12 IFF you draw all four
>all other options sub-optimal

What do you think?

>outside of 4chan, see post after post after post defending the frames, telling MaRo on twitter how much they like it, Cheering the design team on to make more bold changes

I feel lost.

>>52424605
Wrong. He wasn't going to buy them at $250, because even that takes too long. There's far too many people playing this game who think cards are only work about $25 tops.
News flash: supply and demand entirely dictate price, and storage costs fuck all. There is no incentive to reduce price if people are willing to buy.

>>52424549
Yes.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QdaGaY64vXA&list=PLtLlcD-b2JRFy3zdnDSO8jrk6Sg3BmoSr&index=1

>>52424631
Sell out of Magic.

What does WotC get out of the secondary market?

>>52424651

It's a fucking legacy/vintage card. Of course people would take the time to save and buy it. It's not like it will be banned or WotC cares about the format anymore.

also:

>think cards are only work about $25 tops

What?

>supply and demand entirely dictate price, and storage costs fuck all. There is no incentive to reduce price if people are willing to buy

Are people buying a card that is only played in 2 formats with a very restrict audience and on a casual format where it can be rendered pointless due to even more OP cards?

>>52424743
Free advertising, cases bought.

>>52424651
>supply and demand entirely dictate price
Take literally any economics course.

>>52424749
If they're selling, people are buying. There's no reason to cut prices and take a loss.

>>52424631
the frames look pretty and theres nothing you can do about it

>>52424769
Magic is a closed system. Those are the only major factors.
If people will buy it for $600, I will sell it for $600. I'm in no hurry.

>>52424631
The frames are fine. Do you hate Level Up cards too?

>>52424743
under-the-table kick backs.

>>52423914
>huge problem that seriously hurts the value of real cards
Won't somebody please think of the scalpers!

>>52424791

I did.

Was rarity a mistake?

>>52424894
Yes.

>>52424631
I actually like the frames. The name and type line text can go fuck itself though. Same with the mana symbols.

As for 4chan, the Internet experiment has shown that when it comes to conversing with the mob, it's better to have unregulated free speech because that's how you're going to develop your critical thinking skills. That we all call each other faggots on a regular basis passively teaches a person to think a bit harder about their opinions and occasionally you'll not only be able to find some truths that challenge you and the truth won't be buried by bans or downvoting.

Elsewhere tribes develop. Reddit, forums, twitter - they let each group coalesce into tribes like sports fans or the Scottish and they raise flags and skullfuck anybody outside the tribe regardless whether or not the truth is valid.

Here, your only tribe is yourself and you have to establish your tribe from scratch every time you post, which means the quality of your content better fucking matter if you care about that sort of thing. So the people phoneposting here can post all the garbage and shit they want, they're not going to earn any retweet or be able to track their (you) to show the tribe that they matter.

Here various opinions and truths can be shared with nearly zero retribution; and if it's good enough, it will stand on its own. Out there, it doesn't matter if it's a good or bad opinion or the actual truth, the tribe has already decided its validity long before you said it.

inb4 faggot blogpost

>my meta consists of DSJ, Nahiri Stax, Edrazi Tron and Bogles

No matter what I build, I have a shitty match up. I can't even play janky tier 2-3 decks without having multiple bad match ups anymore.

What do I build now?

>>52425095
DSJ

>>52423920
Sounds like you are a faggot. Do yourself a favor and end it so we dont have to hear your depressive bitching you beta male.

>>52425095
If you can't beat them...

>>52425095
Naya Burn obviously.

What the fuck is Nahiri Stax supposed to be? Boom//Bust?

>>52425126
I think it's supposed to be R/W Prison.

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>>52424549
Yes absolutely. It's extremely effective because of the efficiency of just doing constant face damage. Turn 4-6 wins.

One big problem is that it can be completely nullified by leyline of sanctity. Most people don't run it in their sideboard, but personally it bugged me that the deck has such an easy off switch.

>>52425126
Blood moon, chalice and board wipe tribal with Nahiri-Emrakul as a wincon
>>52425100
>>52425107
I fear making DSJ is my only option. I'm only missing 3 goyfs, 2 lilis and baubles now.

Too bad that's 75% of the money cards in that deck

>>52425126
Half the decks he posted run 4 of chalice in the mainboard, 1 of them focuses on ripping all the good cards from your hand and the other runs a metric ton of life gain main.

That sounds like a terrible burn environment

>>52425157
DSJ has been phenomenal for me. Goyfs and Lili's are dirt cheap now compared to what they usually are.
Sell your shitty deck and get the stuff you need for it.

>>52425175
Bogles is just bad, the Life gain doesn't mean shit. Not to mention Atarka's and Skullcrack.

>Chalice
4x Atarka
4x Rift Bolt
4x Boros Char
4x Searing Blaze
3x Helix
Woah so hard to beat with the majority of my mainboard burn being 2cmc.

>2019
>show up to fnm
>store owner asks to see my deck
>"what? Why?" I ask as he snatches it from my grip
>shakes his head as he shuffles through my homebrew mardu burn deck
>"sorry kid, you don't meet the requirement" as he points to a sign behind him
>'Constructed decks must contain at least ten (10) masterpiece cards to be considered tournament legal'
>shop owner tosses the deck back at me
>like, literally tosses the deck
>catch some of the cards but most fall to the floor
>everyone in the store turns to look
>they all start laughing when they realize my deck doesn't even have any foils or full art lands
>start chanting "poor, poor, go away; come again when you can pay"
>shop owner joins in
>start crying as I try to pick up my deck
>players start throwing small change at me as I rush to leave
>fucking wizards

>>52425152
As a burn player, if someone is going to run dogshit like Leyline to hate me out, that's fine because they're just making their deck worse for against every other matchup unless for some reason burn is prevalent in the local metagame. I suppose you can bring in Leyline against Scapeshift but then they're just going to murder you with a Prime Time.

Leyline's just the wrong sideboard card against burn. I can imagine it has uses for combo decks to protect against hand-hate.

You think Wizards will actually print some way to kill fucking planeswalkers this set? probably not. Cunts.

>>52425344
Making most of them not viable in modern seems to do a pretty good job at killing them.

>>52425344
If Wizards had any balls they would print some Nekrataal or FTK that murders Planeswalkers. This 1-for-1 Planeswalker kill-shit like Hero's Downfall is utterly useless because if you draw it late the Planeswalker has already yielded more than one card in advantage.

What the game needs is Vampire Hexmage with the counter-nuking ability as an ETB effect. 2-mana bam, deplete all the counters and leave behind a very serviceable 2/1 First Strike. Why the fuck not, they print Naturalize strapped to 4/4 bodies.

>>52425344

{U}{G}
2/4
Whenever a permanent enters the battlefield under an opponent's control, put a [cool counter] on [this dude].

Remove 2 cool counters from this dude: counter target activated or triggered ability.

I think this probably would be pretty good tech against planeswalkers but would also hose fetch lands so idk

>>52424030
Magic drones will eat anything wizard shits out

>>52425312
>no spaghetti falling out of your pockets

you had one job

>>52425387
>if you draw it late the Planeswalker has already yielded more than one card in advantage

The real problem is that the best planeswalkers get card advantage as an "etb" (aka opponent doesn't get priority between resolving and activating) which means even if you bolt the planeswalker it's still at LEAST a 2 for 1. Having to waste a card on a resolved planeswalker sucks. An even bigger issue is that the more expensive the planeswalker, the more advantage they build off the bat. Meaning that your "tempo advantage" from throwing a 2 mana removal spell at Karn sucks because last turn he killed your land so you couldn't cast it and this turn he ate a card in hand and you had to spend a THIRD card answering it.

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>>52424030
>Fuck right off. The story was garbage, but the plane and its art direction was gorgeous.
No. The art direction was as hideous as the story. Just try and tell me what's going on with Fairgrounds Warden or any of half a dozen other dwarves. Explain to me why all the flying vehicles look like something you'd see at an amateur glassblowing show. Justify Ornithopter looking like anything but a fucking ornithopter.

This pseudo-steampunk garbage can go fuck itself with a cactus and you can join it.

>>52423231
You're a fucking shitter if you think push is OP. It got a 5 because its an example of the type of card that people have wanted WotC to print for a few years. Or do you not want good removal?

>>52425481
Aethersquall Ancient was pretty cool.

>>52425491
>black gets the best hand disruption
>and removal
>and some of the best creatures
>and planeswalker under a gorillion mana

>>52423426
Autists gonna autist. I look like a huge normalfag compared to most people at the shops I visit. Be friendly and introduce yourself, but some of them will always see you as a threat. I have a guy that I've never matched with but he gives me the shit eye across tables. Even my friends notice this. At the same time, I've sat down across from two +400lbs guys in my early career that were both fucking awesome to play against.

>>52423920
I frequent two stores within 50 miles of each other in central Indiana. One (smaller city) has 12-20 people for modern. The other (Indianapolis) averages 40 on the nights I've gone. Anecdotes bruh

>>52424030

At the risk of being called a samefag, I'm going to agree with you. I liked the overly ornamental designs and brassy colors in the art direction, as well as the use of spirals and circles which contrasted the previous set's more rigid, gothic architecture.

I haven't really liked Amonkhet's art so far. Even the "God" artwork feels completely stiff and lifeless.

>>52425526
Except push is conditional to even be good. You said it yourself, push is amazing with fetch. As someone who played delver, I had push with no fetch ~50% of the time.

I'll give you planeswalkers and hand disruption, but they have what creature wise? DS, tasigur, and...?

>>52425491
Not him, but: we're not playing Standard. We don't have to accept the first bone Wizards throws us.

Especially when that bone is "fuck big threats in general"
It doesn't fix anything because it covers so much ground. Forked Bolt was great specifically because it hit a few game plans, but certain decks didn't have to care about it. Push hits just about everything that isn't Goryo's/Breach decks, titans, and Tasigur.

Same problem as Abrupt Decay where there's no reason to truly react to the card. Everything that can will run it, and that's the format.
Wizards pushed out something new, things die faster, but no one is swapping cards around except to put Push in.

I'm inclined to call that underwhelming design, if nothing else.

>>52425387
Sengir Bureaucrat
Creature - Vampire Advisor
BB
2/1
First Strike
When Sengir Bureaucrat ETB, remove all counters from target permanent.

When Sengir Bureaucrat ETB, if an opponent controls a Planeswalker, create a token that's a copy of Sengir Bureaucrat.

When a Planeswalker ETB, if an opponent controls it, create a token that's a copy of Sengir Bureaucrat.

[i] Mistakes? We don't make mistakes. [/i]

Do you think there is any merit to a Domain Zoo deck with Death's Shadow?
Seems like it would be pretty kickass to me. I've always liked the idea of Domain/Tribal Zoo. Especially now with collective brutality

>>52425574

Dark Confidant
Griselbrand
Obliterator?
Bloodghast + co?

>>52425587
So you said that push is too good because it covers anything that doesn't play fatties. But forked bolt is good because it hoses a smaller number of things, thus keeping more decks viable. I think I agree with that, but that would also imply the format would be moving towards decks like breach/goryo and maybe tron. Except it hasn't and instead we have DS. Guess what kills DS, cause it sure isn't forked bolt. This is what it means when the threats are bigger than the answers, and push is one of the first answers big enough to counter a decent amount of threats in a while.

>>52425663
>yes
>memedemon.dec
>in theory yes but not really played
>only playable in one shell

>>52425637

Cut out those last 3 abilities, make it a 2/2 and enter the battlefield with a -1/-1 counter on it. First strike could go, give it deathtouch. Now you have a 1/1 deathtouch for 2 that can either buff itself to be a deathtouch bear or kill a planeswalker. Fuck all this "I'll kill every PW on the board and every other one that drops" overdesigned garbage.

>>52425637
Wait that doesn't fucking work, it just goes infinite.

Sengir Bureaucrat
Creature - Vampire Advisor
BB
2/1
First Strike
When Sengir Bureaucrat ETB, remove all counters from target permanent. If that permanent was a Planeswalker, create a token that's a copy of Sengir Bureaucrat.

When a Planeswalker ETB, if an opponent controls it, create a token that's a copy of Sengir Bureaucrat.

[i] Mistakes? We don't make mistakes. [/i]

>>52425688

Idk man I was just spitballing

Other than Bob black doesn't really have many targets in the format

>>52425709
Ye, hence my to anon that it isn't a creature heavy color. Here's a hot take: bob is shit too

>>52425699

Maybe even a 3/2, so its a 2/1 if it kills something and a 3/2 deathtouch for 2 (which is reasonable) if it doesnt

>>52425744

All I know is I play a meme deck and Bob dies to Flame Jab. Imagine playing a meme and getting a tempo advantage because flame jab is online vs Jund. so choice.

>>52425481

>pseudo-steampunk

It's straight up magitek, you dumb cocksucker. Aether is magic energy, it fuels the machines. Magitek,

They look like glassblowing statues because the whole idea was that since aether is so readily available, people can get fancy with the machines' designs.

The fairgrounds warden is a warden with fancy handcuffs.

>>52425699
I like to think that if we're allowed to kill all Enchantments in recent Magic with Tempest of Light or Artifacts with Shatterstorm or Creeping Corrosion, there's no reason why we can't have something that savages every Planeswalker on the field and claws back some of the card advantage back.

I think it's really funny that if they cast a Planeswalker not only does it die immediately without getting to activate an ability but it makes two more filthy 2/1 pieces of shit. That means they won't cast it, and that just gives you time to Hymn or Thoughtseize it out of their hand.

It seems out of order that you can play your own Planeswalkers safely, but who cares; we're being hateful here.

>>52425760
I like you anon

>>52425564
Amonkhet is noticeably over-digitalized, at least they hid it well with swirls and brown people the artstyle.

>>52419388

can't believe no one has replied... all masterpieces are in english regardless of the pack

>>52425673
Hold up. We're not on the same page.
The format isn't moving anywhere because Push really cannot be avoided except with a small sampling of decks. Attempting to cut out Push weakness in DSJ doesn't work regardless of whether Push hits CMC 2 or CMC 4.
For so many other decks, the story is the same. They're not running a set up that can just slot 5-drop+ creatures in. It's only the decks already built around fatties that can avoid Push. Hence, "no one is swapping cards around." There's no point, because there's no option asides from changing decks entirely.

The argument is more that Push doesn't need to reliably hit 4-drops to be good. So many threats are 1- and 2-drops that you're still hitting the vast majority of the field for equal or less mana spent. Most decks don't even need changes to enable the Revolt trigger because of the blank permanent clause. If they needed a nonland, then we might see cards getting swapped around to enable the Revolt proc via Essence Flux or others. Then there might actually be a reason to build BUG, since they could get the Revolt trigger easier than BGR.
Or you might have a reason to take Huntmaster over Grim Flayer and vice versa, depending on the match up, because a less reliable Revolt trigger makes one far more likely to swing.

That's what I mean by poor design. Push hasn't actually changed anything, asides from folks dropping Terminate or whatever else for it. A 2-drop removal was replaced by a 1-drop removal that fulfills almost the same function.
It's wasted potential.

>>52419778

surprise people say this about LITERALLY EVERY COLOR of these

surprise no one will give a shit in a month, a week or even a year

>>52425775
>this magical liquid powers technical marvels!
>versus
>this mundane liquid, when boiled, powers technical marvels!

I'm not him, but I don't know what to tell you. Aether simplifies down and compares very nicely to a steam engine when you stop and think about it.

I cant wait
>everyone hates the Invocations
>a few collectors buy all them
>price skyrockets due to scarcity and monopoly

>>52425930
Jokes on you I've been cracking packs like a motherfucker with more money than since ever since they started doing these special sets.

I'm wondering if they're going to give Living End any 1-mana cyclers.

I personally don't even play 2-mana cyclers. That spoiled promo Demon isn't doing anything for me. I'll admit that getting Flying is super tempting but I would not go above 3-copies of any 2-mana cycler.

Wizards hasn't thrown me any fucks in a long time, I wonder if they're actually aware enough of the deck to consider printing better cards for it or god forbid giving us the full Street Wraith cycle. Just take Living End and Death's Shadow off the fucking rails.

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>>52425481
>there are people itt right now who don't think kaladesh had the best flavor in the whole history of magic
baka desu

>>52420065
>Do the Jews just hate Egypt or something?
Yes the fucking do.

>>52425953
>claims Kaladesh had good flavor
>posts a card that got called out for being more flavorful as a destruction effect

http://magic.wizards.com/en/articles/archive/latest-developments/m-files-aether-revolt-part-1-2017-02-03

Come on Anonymous. Use better examples.

>>52425890
Okay, that actually clarifies a lot, because I'm a pleb and didn't fully understand your last post. So honestly, what would you rather see printed for removal?

I want to add that the difference between terminate and push comes up. In delver you run push, term, and murderous cut for extra coverage. I can see this is pedantic but there are decks that push doesn't outright replace terminate or other removal.

>>52425971
When I was in Egypt we had a security escort following the group around; you more or less had to as a tourist group because of how fucking shitty the country is.

When we went off on our own someone I was with paid one of the security guys $50 a day to follow us around and keep us safe to make sure nobody fucked with us while we shopped and looked at shit away from the larger group. Dude had a gun and looked all menacing and shit for us.

At the Sphinx and Pyramid, there are two sides: the tourist side and "the side you don't want to fucking stand because the Pyramid will block security from seeing you get raped". There are actually people there trying to lure tourists out of sight of the larger area so they can kidnap them or rob them.

Worst country. Don't visit. Google some fucking photos, save some money.

>>52423426
Because you have a good life and you come there, win and take away one thing those people have left, while you have everything. Of course people will get mad over this, because it seems unfair and it's you're the easiest one to blame.

How long until we get the inevitable clickbait article about cultural appropriation?

>>52425920

Any fuel based engine simplified is the same principle, you dumbass.

Gas, Water, methane, whatever.

There's dieselpunk, Biopunk, Cyberpunk, etc. Also, Steampunk isn't only focused on steam, steampunk has a whole aesthetic, with associated eras, personalities, etc.

Aside from fuel and maybe some clockwork, Kaladesh isn't nearly close enough to the genre to be qualified as steampunk.

>>52426053
This would be the one time it's actually true though.

>>52425491
>>52423231

It got a 3.5 in the linked article you morons

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>>52426091
Yea the link is wrong but on the Constructed set review: http://www.channelfireball.com/articles/aether-revolt-constructed-set-review-black/

Its a 5.0

>>52426075
All of these things are true. The conclusion of "... So that's why it's basically steampunk" still follows.

>>52426075
To be fair,
They did understand the -punk concept for Aether Revolt,
which is more than can be said about most Steampunk settings

>>52425070
>they're not going to earn any retweet or be able to track their (you)
The times when I post from my phone I am able to track my (you)s on that device for as long as that thread remains active, even several days after I've posted.

>they raise flags and skullfuck anybody outside the tribe regardless whether or not the truth is valid.
That's exactly what people on this site (you included by posting that) do too. Both internally against other boards, and externally against other sites. You're not better, you're just too dumb to realize that you're doing it yourself.

>>52426141

No, because just attributing narrative aspects as "Requiring a source of energy" as unique to a single subgenre is fucking stupid.

By that logic Mad Max is steampunk, cause it's about getting gasoline for the cars to work, that Monsters vs Aliens is a steampunk story because it's about looking for some alien fuel for the evil guy's doomsday machine.

>>52426136
Its just some dumb MyFavoriteCards list by a "Luis Scott-Vargas" this guy he prolly not even good at the game... just an advertiser and media man for his site

>>52426025
Geez, anon, when I was in Egypt I just hung out with some relatives and sometimes walked around Cairo on my own without anything bad happening. Then again I don't spend a lot of time in the desert where the pyramids are because it is the desert.

>>52426162

Oh, I agree that it's "-punk" but it's not "pseudo-steampunk"

Aether is much more ingrained in the world than just being a fuel. It flows through the whole plane, it changes the fauna and the flora of the world, it spawns aetherborns, it has to be refined and diluted to be properly used.

It's closer to magic dieselpunk than steampunk.

>>52426089
Well sure, it's true. But who in the fuck actually still celebrates Egypt's ancient history and mythology IN Egypt. I'm willing to be more people in the West and in academic institutions love Egypt more than modern Egyptians do.

Does the country even want to own that shit? It's 99% Muslim; I'm willing to bet that 99% of that 99% want to tear down the Sphinx because it's a symbol of heathens just like they did with all the UN Heritage Sites in Syria and the 1% that don't are profiting off the tourism. The fanatics fucking blew up chunks of the Fortress at Aleppo - it was a fucking symbol of their own history. This is a country that imports Salafism from Saudi Arabia.

If someone actually wrote that article hating on cultural appropriate what exactly do they feel Wizards should do about it? Should they sign over a huge fat cheque of a cut of the profits from the sale of Amonkhet to the Egyptian government? The grossly inept and corrupt government?

There's a reason why France and the UK don't want to hand over the artifacts they plundered from Egypt, it's because that shit is going to get stolen and lost and enter private collections if they returned it.

Steal their history, they're obviously not using it anymore to produce anything of worth. There are fucking people in Europe who LARP North American Aboriginal ancient culture better than actual North American Indians.

>>52426000
Well, the revised Push comes to mind.

Otherwise, I'm interested by the changes to existing Red and Blue effects. "Take control" effects finally got printed at a reasonable cost with Wrangle and Kari Zev's Expertise both being worthwhile. I haven't seen them much yet, but I do hope they'll make it into the format. I'm especially excited with the Exert cards, because then that single turn of control becomes much more. Blue meanwhile got Take into Custody, again at a very playable cost, and Select for Inspection. Select I'm not quite a fan of, because I don't see a reason to use it over Vapor Snag when given the choice. Blue is able to tap things down, yes, but allowing a swing or needing two cards just to enable Scry 1 is not much.
This is actually going back a little, but back in Tarkir they printed both Mirror Mockery and Reality Shift. Neither is exactly playable, but I do like the ideas. Mockery may as well read "pay 1U, target creature dies if it attacks," which is true outside of n/n+1 creatures like Siege Rhino or goyf. Manifest meanwhile, is the one mechanic from Tarkir I was hopeful for (along with Exploit) simply because the effectiveness of the spell depends entirely the deck and the nature of the match up. As a drawback, we double down on these factors. Turning an opponent's Bolt into a 2/2 is great, but turning a mana dork into that is very questionable. I definitely prefer it to Investigate as a drawback, because there's that little element of randomness that means the card can be pushed a bit further, which Reality Shift was unfortunately not.

As far as non-existent cards go, I would definitely be interested a RU card that took control, then tapped for a bit longer, bounced, or something along those lines. A second shot at Slave of Bolas (in RB?) would be interesting.
Or, because there's that inherent weakness in creature-only effects, something that kill the creature and gives former and present controller some benefit? "Mutual Gain?"

>>52422911
That's not an argument for why it's dying.

>>52426222
>Does the country even want to own that shit? It's 99% Muslim; I'm willing to bet that 99% of that 99% want to tear down the Sphinx because it's a symbol of heathens just like they did with all the UN Heritage Sites in Syria and the 1% that don't are profiting off the tourism. The fanatics fucking blew up chunks of the Fortress at Aleppo - it was a fucking symbol of their own history. This is a country that imports Salafism from Saudi Arabia.
Dude Egyptians hate Salafists. What do you think they were doing this whole time they were fighting the Muslim Brotherhood?

>>52426167
See, now we're just disagreeing because we haven't defined what "magitech" is and is not.
"magic-power technology" is too vague after all.

Personally, when I think magitech, I think wind spells getting thrown into sails, fire spells getting thrown up into balloon sacks, guns that shoot energy not unlike a wand, etc. Things run out of energy when they run out of energy, and the concept of energy is very abstract and often caters to the needs of an author.
Steampunk is all mechanical, with a fuel source that is defined and finite.

From Kaladesh, I'm feeling that we fall far more into the latter category. Our fuel source might be magic, but ultimately it's still powering the machines, it's still something that can run out, and it's only fuel. There aren't guns that fire aether, although there do appear to be cannons that use aether to fire off what, some kind of magnetic or reflected-light blast?

Now, I'm speaking for myself. There's at least two others responding to you. I would encourage them to define what they mean by "magitech" versus "steampunk" and note where they think Kaladesh falls.

I'm still definitely seeing more steampunk in Kaladesh.

>>52426303
Let me revise this some, on seeing the thread update:

Dieselpunk might be closest. There's no steampunk I can think of that harnesses the world around it, unless we're converting farmland into a coal mine. I'm skipping past the whole part where steam is derived from a liquid rather than actually being one, mind.

>>52426240
Sorry, I'm working off 4+-year old information. Did they actually boot the Muslim Brotherhood out of the country? And if they did, did they throw Salafism out with it?

>>52426222
>egyptians have concerns other than artifacts from hundreds of thousands of years ago that means they hate egypt itself

>the country is 99% muslim that makes them exactly like isis

holy mother of russian propaganda i thought i would have avoided this bullshit by not going to /pol/

>>52426224
Select over Snag in blue decks that don't care about the -1 life as much as a chance to dig, such as combocontrol.

>>52426234
No shit, retard, the post was pointing out the flaw and complete lack of argument in the post it was replying to.

>>52426362
>Sorry, I'm working off 4+-year old information. Did they actually boot the Muslim Brotherhood out of the country?
What the FUCK, you really had that entire rant without knowing even that?

Dude the Muslim Brotherhood didn't even last a year. Nobody liked them. Even before they got elected they were getting really unpopular when they say shit that's very "traditionally Muslim" but completely un-Egyptian, like proposing that women should be banned from work. As you can imagine, if they actually passed that law, Egyptian's economy would collapse overnight. Then when the election happened they stole it through violence intimidation and thuggery, they "won" off less than 10% of the population. First chance we got we petitioned the military to kick them out. Shit, I signed that petition with my own hand. That's why the current president is General Sisi. You know, the guy who's all buddy-buddy with Trump because they both agree that Islamic terrorism can go fuck itself?

Being part of the Muslim Brotherhood is currently considered tantamount to terrorism. You will get thrown immediately in jail for it. As for Salafism, there's always going to be people who say, "We're just peaceful conservatives" and there's not much you can do about it. But as a frame of reference: General Sisi recently asked clerics to reinterpret Islamic writing so women can have fairer divorces. They didn't fold to that because muh traditions but Sisi is a tough guy and that should clue you in as to the general direction the country is looking to take with him in charge.

Granted it's far from perfect. Far far far from perfect. We're still suffering from the fallout of having the MB in power. They kind of funneled money out of the country's banks and coffers leaving it economically crippled. And it's technically a military regime which is never great but fuck, man, the alternative is terrorists. There's only so much you can do against that.

if I have a Boros Reckoner and a Soulfire Grandmaster on the battle field (lets assume my opponent's only permanents are lands and that I have adequate mana for simplicity) and I use Blasphemous Act would it be 3 damage to the opponent and two health gained since Reckoner has 3 toughness and Soulfire has 2 toughness, or would it be 13 damage to the opponent and 13 health gained since Blasphemous Act is technically doing 13 damage?

also, is there a card strictly better than Chaplain's Blessing I could run instead?

>>52424785
And I'll order a set from Chinaman while you sit on your stack of $600 pieces of cardstock.

>>52426589
1. Soulfire Grand Master gives Blasphemous Act lifelink.
2. Blasphemous Act deals 13 damage to Boros Reckoner and 13 damage to Soulfire Grand Master. You gain 26 life. This happens simultaneously.
3. Boros Reckoner's trigger goes on the stack. Since 13 damage was dealt to it, it deals 13 damage to the opponent.

In short, you gain 26 and dome them for 13.

Chaplain's Blessing is completely unplayable in every aspect. Pure lifegain is never worth a whole card. If you want to gain life do it incidentally off cards that do other things at the same time (example: Lightning Helix, which kills something and keeps you even on cards traded while still gaining life).

>>52426545
Look man, I'm sorry if I went on a tirade without getting up to date information. And I do appreciate the explanation.

But the deal is the moment the Brotherhood got elected and started their albeit brief shitshow I just stopped caring about the country thinking it's just another part of the world that is going to shit.

So it's nice to know there was push back and recovery whatever it may be.

How about we call the Invocations "Yu-Gi-Khet" and see how long before MaRo tries to ban the term?

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>>52426632
oh, whoops, forgot to double it to 26 but thank you for clarifying. I already run a Lightning Helix set in this and it's pretty neato. But yeah, Chaplain's Blessing is consistently a "bluh" draw for me

>>52426642
I don't have anything against you, I mean, I get it, but fuck, there's just so much misinformation between the American media deciding it's pro-Muslim Brotherhood and people on this website being 100% against every single Muslim in existence, like I've seen a couple of threads where they talk about how because Egyptians are Muslims and therefore they're advocating rape and swapping news reports about a woman being raped as proof of that and it's like... how could people think that crime represents the whole of us, when in Tahrir Square people organized watch times through every hour of the day and night specifically to make sure that doesn't happen, when we did so much to protect our women? Even a fully stocked police force can't stop every crime but fuck I think we did alright considering we were technically in a state of actual anarchy for a year or so, my cousins did nightly patrols outside our houses when the police stopped working, we managed. But no some guy decides that because a significant portion of our population is Muslim then that means we all go around gangraping people like monsters and they spread that shit around and somehow nobody bothers to question it, it's just taken as fact.

I don't know man. There's just so much misinformation out there. You got to be careful not to spread it too much, alright? I mean I get where you're coming from, just. Be careful. Okay? People are affected by that.

>>52423426
I can totally relate to the "always disagree" part. This is something that always bothered me. Social rejects are more prone to disagree with you just for the sake of it. I don't know why. Maybe because they always feel the need to defend themselves by offensively disagreeing? Something related to bullying?
I always wondered if they behave this way because they are rejects or if they are rejects because they behave this way. Was is just mere chance they ended up being rejected at some point which led to a lack in social skills. Or was it their lack of social skills (due to uprbrining or genes or whatever) that led to them having to resort to obscure hobbies.

Just random showerthoughts, but what came first? Did we chose the hobby because we lack something or do we lack something because we chose this hobby?

Also, every store has at least one skinny guy with long hair who owns at least one black trenchcoat, one fat guy with a huge collection, one crippled guy and one guy with severe skin problems. Prove me wrong.

>>52426642
Don't worry, Egypt is still confirmed 3rd world country.

>>52426757
The misinformation comes from both sides from those who hate wholesale and those who mislabel the legitimate criticisms of Islam as bigotry.

On one side you have the people who think all Muslims are serial rapists but on the other side you have guys like this:
https://www.acast.com/wethepeoplelive/ep.79andykindlervstwitter

There's going to be no progress made when those two sorts of people are just yelling at each other. And both sides are inhibiting the reformers who are trying to work to eliminate the fanaticism in Islam but from one side they are being labelled apologists and on the other side they are being called Islamophobic, a phrase the terrorists and fanatics use to recruit and show that the rest of the world fears and hates them.

So for what it matters there are people who believe that the majority of Muslims out there are just fine and sometimes we get it plainly wrong or just wrong by sounding as if we're generalizing the entire culture as toxic as the media wrongly portrays it. The problem is that few people are interested in actually learning, which is necessary for change.

I'll be more careful in the future. It's nice to receive a polite correction and explanation of things.

>>52423105
>fatal push

THIS! IS! SPAAAARTAAAAA!!!!!111!

>>52423105
(You)

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>>52419322
>All masterpieces are W, B or U
>only one G and one R card

GET SHAFTED KEK COLORS
GET SHAFTED KEK COLORS
GET SHAFTED KEK COLORS
GET SHAFTED KEK COLORS
GET SHAFTED KEK COLORS

>>52427206
Learn how to crunch retard.

>>52427206
>imfuckingplying that red won't get a wonkass version of lightning bolt
and
>500$ copy of noble heirarch

>tfw SJWs are already calling them "racist" because of the sudo-Egyptian lettering

No actual, reasonable outrage can make these cards disappear/be changed.

But some stupid, blown-out-of-proportions "controversy" actually could, WOTC would cave-in so fucking hard. I'm tempted to false-flag just for that.

>>52427341
It'd almost be worthwhile. Lord knows MaRo's white guilt ass would bend over so fast for the political correctness cock you'd be able to hear his forehead smack linoleum from the next continent over.

>>52425775
>It's straight up magitek, you dumb cocksucker. Aether is magic energy, it fuels the machines. Magitek,
Wow, very clever, you read a single flavor text from the whole set, since every goddamn one is extolling aether. Too bad your dumb ass didn't realize the aesthetic is still steampunk as fuck, which was the point in contention. No one gives a fuck about the fluff because the fluff hasn't been worth reading for more than a decade.

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Trawler eggs is busted

fairly fun solitaire and the turn 3s are sweet.

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>>52426172
Is this bait? Are you new?

>>52423920
Two stores here can't get Modern to fire anymore, and sometimes Standard doesn't even fire either. Hometown has two larger stores where Modern and Standard are reliable events with at least 16 players.

>>52421006
Sauce?

>>52419508
Fuck that noise, Urza's ftw.

>>52427548
>Jace, the Living Guildpact is the next hot thing boys, literally better than JTMS! Believe me!
>Noxious Gearhulk is the best one in the cycle and it will be played all over Standard I swear!

Not the same guy, but come on. His time of glory has already passed.

>>52424053
This. I had a debate in another thread about wizards pandering and how it's not that bad at all and improved the scene and image of the game.

Needless to say I received toxicity from the entire thread..I really hate MTG players

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>>52427795
>he got meta reads wrong when the meta wasnt even in existence yet
>that means he's shit now!

you're embarassing yourself, just stop

>>52427916
I think you don't understand just how bad Jace, the Living Guildpack is

>>52427814
Listen up man, I'm all for getting rid of the toxic grognards. But I'm not willing to let the game go to shit just because I want to attract casuals.

Let me tell you the reality of attracting new people into this environment.

Here's what happens, they come one at a time and more often than not they get disgusted and leave because the majority are so shit. Because it's just generally a shit place it means only little grognards stick around - as this is their prime element where they can grow into bigger shits, which does nothing to improve the concentration of shit personalities in the store. Then comes another reasonable person, but the previous reasonable person has already quit, and this new reasonable person finds the same shitshow and leaves. Repeat ad nauseum.

So what's the solution? I don't fucking know.

My store owner would like nothing more than to completely ban ten people from Magic forever. Then he can get to work getting the disgruntled good guys disgusted by the clique back into the building. But therein takes a risk, you'll have fringe guys quit in solidarity with the long-timers thinking the store owner did wrong. And not only that, Magic is in such a shitty place that losing ten people and all the attached people means events don't fire, and no events firing means even the good people don't get to play.

Good people who are smart enough to not put up with shit come and don't stay. They have zero reason to waste their time on this shit. Wizards has done NOTHING to improve behavior by making the game so fucking expensive. Do you think that having fucking sharks and speculators helps the game? How about a store not having cards around and people being forced to buy shit online and having to see the price of shit. On sale! Only $45! Seriously, why the fuck should players have to see the horrible price of the game?

So don't tell me it's all on the fucking shit communities. It's just as much on Wizards.

>>52427916
t. LSV

>>52427916
You would figure that being a pro with a lot of years under his belt he would be able to accurately gauge which cards will perform in the upcoming meta more often than not.

Especially because pros get the set list a lot before the spoiler is up so they have time to brew and test.

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>>52420194
>lets take one of the most iconic cards in the game
>make it super bubble gum rare
>but..
>make the art static and boring
>...
>perfect!

unironically like the frames and ancient mew looking shit, the art being so small is a bad idea should have gone textless

>>52427795
>LSV gives up a pro career for commentating
>rumours of an affair with Gaby Spartz
>both vanish into thin air
>Cheon gets dragged onto the WoTC bus
>LSV shows up again
>makes supbar CFB content

I would say yes, but not the reason Anon is trolling for.

>>52428009
Wew lad. Hold on right there. Wizards can't actively do anything to stop the shit humans from playing and clogging up the store. The only thing they can do is make the game more appealing to decent human beings so that over time the games (and stores) demographic change. I'm quite close to my stores owner. Basically the best of friends at this point so we share a lot. My guy is in similar position there are groups he just hates seeing turn up to fnm. At the same time we've had an increase in "normies" attendance and he's been able to keep them coming back by creating a decent atmosphere that's welcoming. This includes some of us talking to them and basically shutting down the degenerates.

All in all it's on the communities to keep this game going and to have fun. It's not fun to walk into a store and see people being homophobic, sexist or racist. Your time has passed, grow up or get out

>>52428380
t. cuck

>>52428380
>homophobic, sexist or racist

Wew lad, cant wait till you get a free helicopter ride.

>>52428380
>It's not fun to walk into a store and see people being homophobic, sexist or racist.

i dunno, it's fun to be in a social space where people can talk freely without needing to constantly worry about using the "wrong" words

you're confusing jokes and repartee with actual hate

>>52428380
You sound like the kind of fag who gets triggered when your opponent says even the most tame of trash talk.

>>52428495
>>52428514

It's also not cool to walk into a place and be actively or passively ridiculed. On the one hand, people should have some spine and be able to take banter. On the other, what some people call "Banter" is actually passive aggressive sarcasm meant to put down and humiliate outsiders. This shit goes both ways.

>>52428495
Not that guy, but there's a huge contextual difference in when what's acceptable.

Joking around among people you know are fine with it? A-ok.

Starting conversation with a person unknown to you from "Niggers, amirite?" Kindly wish yourself out of existence.

>>52428514
>>52428495

You're confused. Noone is saying anything directly to me and it's not jokes and banter.

It's literally "why are wizards printing black people in amonkhet, they are pandering to wuz kings"

Trash talk is fine. It's hardly trash talk when it's "hi. Great I'm playing a girl. Did you knkw girls are ruining magic?"

And why the fuck are people talking trash. It's a fucking card game

>>52428549
>>52428535
True, taking bant is ok, taking aussipol bantz shit where you don't understand what the fuck does google mean in this context but 1 out of 4 words would get you kicked out a school. That's at least jarring.

>>52419322
Bolas... What the fuck have you done?

>>52428549
>its another 'whitey gets more upset by casual racism than your typical negro episode'

Pro tip: just because you voted for Hillary doesnt mean you own black people now.

>>52428574
>they are pandering to wuz kings"
They are.

>>52428574
The reason WotC has black people in Amonketh is because they're slaves of Bolas.

I didn't think it was possible for you faggots to get any more triggered.

>>52428574
>they are pandering to wuz kings

Except they are and I would be happy to hear someone say that IRL.

>>52428631
Wait until Jace beats Bolas without even putting in any effort.

:^)

>>52428535
>>52428549

It's refreshing to know that not all my fellow players deserve a shallow grave.

Banter is fine, amongst friends almost anything can be said. It's not banter is you don't know them. It's not having social skills

>>52428643
They're pandering to transfags - you think they won't pander to WE WUZ DIN DO?

>>52428630
kek, underrated

>>52428645
never, ever again repeat this phrase either ironically or unironically

>>52428648
>It's refreshing to know that not all my fellow players deserve a shallow grave.

>its another 'white liberal wants to kill people with political and ideologically different view points like the communist he is' episode

>>52428680
Tron players won't escape the gulag forever

>>52428603
>>52428643

And how are they pandering to that?
Because black people were in Egypt?

Does it make you feel small when oppressed minorities are accurately presented.

>>52424785
I think I'd rather put my money into something with better liquidity than fucking Moats and other cardboard.

>>52428695
There's no evidence that black people didn't appear into reality and our memories this very moment

>>52428680
Jokes on you nigga. I'm black. Nothing you do or say will stop me from turning up to fnm to beat some scrubs and go back to my white girlfriend to fuck.

>>52428695
i think he just wants to shitpost to feel better about himself.
Not that it'll help for long, but by then there will be another thread, another hour or so of meaningless shitposting to distract himself from his miserable existence.

>>52428706
Moats have quite a lot of liquid in them :^)

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>>52428693
>he guessed I was a Tron player

>>52428708
so am I its just fun to trigger liberal white guilt fags whenever I post nigger shit and they think im white because apparently only whitey can use the internet
>not banging nips

>>52428709
Nice projection.

>>52428695
If you cant see the obvious pandering I dont know what to tell you.

>>52425304
Chances are you're not going to have a Searing Blaze target and also if you're playing Atarka command that means you're playing the shit version anyway

>>52428738
>>52428709


So you guys got nothing but "I don't wanna see blacks." I had a good kek but if you're gonna make a statement like that with no backing I have no time for you. You're worthless, everyone thinks you're pathetic and if you knew what people said about you behind your back you'd probably kill yourself.

>>52428728
I need curves my man. Nips lack that shit by far. I have seen a few that have piqued my interest but my girl had everything I'd ever want. She even comes to the store with me sometimes when I'm buying boxes or singles. Usually that's when I get the most heat from the degenerates. I'm tempted to teach her how to play, give her a burn deck and watch them shit themselves as they lose to a white woman fucking a black man.

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>>52428795
>"I don't wanna see blacks."
Or maybe I dont like being pandered to you racist fuck.
>Pic related

>>52428814
White women are garbage tier desu senpai.

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>/tg/ virgins talking about women

>when the racist commie cracker doesnt respond because im black

kek.

>>52428936
But you're not being pandered to. Egypt had black people. It makes actual sense to feature blacks in this set. If you're upset about it you're just trying to be le edgey edge man and you're as bad as SJW cucks

>>52429108
>honkey telling me how to feel about my own race

kys.

>>52429126
I'm literally black you fucking sell out.

Keep trying to please your white master. I'm sure he'll let you fuck his daughter one day

>>52429159
>sell out
>im literally saying i dont want to be pandered to by a company for sheckles

>white master race
>not asian

>>52419508
WE WUZ GADS'N'SHEET

>>52428695
There were not many blacks in ancient egypt.

>>52429225
Nigga just look at they skin, yo cracker ass tryna tell me they aint black?

Nigga we wuz kangs and shit nigga whitey just tryna keep us down wit our history

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>>52429126
>>52428936
Thank you for increasing diversity in our hobby!

>>52429304
>>52429304
>>52429304

new thread

>>52429225
So they were what white?

I don't get this meme. I'm not even sure how it hurts your little dick that blacks once ruled Egypt. Why does it upset you so much? What are you afraid of?

>>52429313
They were Egyptian you dumb piece of shit.

>>52429328
And Egyptians were black

https://www.quora.com/Is-the-claim-that-the-ancient-Egyptians-were-black-had-dark-skin-supported-by-history-If-not-what-race-were-they-and-how-do-we-know

>>52429443
>quora

wew. also I googled something about Egyptian race and what do you know, the entire front page of google is filled with WE WUZ KANGZ lies. It's really sad blacks are trying to steal egyptian history. It's like if the Irish claimed to actually be the ancient emperors of china.

>>52429487
It's amazing how broken you guys get about this. Why do you need black people to be inherently shit

>>52429487
Literally look at Egyptian artifacts. Wew they painted the sculptures to be black and have black features for the memes

>>52429487
only people who cry about SJWs in Magic are the SJWs themselves and /pol/tards
please eradicate both groups, starting with yourself

>>52429608
LOL, the sheer self victimization you display. Nobody NEEDS blacks to be shit. Blacks are shit all on their own by their own hands and desires. Black culture is the problem.

>>52429613
When ancient egyptians made art of themselves the features were distinctly not negroid. In fact, in particular art pieces they painted foreign black slaves very dark with obviously negroid features and the egyptian slave masters much lighter like the color of arabs with noticeably different features than the slaves.

Ancient egyptians were definitely not black.

>>52429658
What victimisation? It's a fact that you guys blame "niggas" for all your problems. Why on Earth does it bother you that black people were in fact Egyptian. Why do you argue against it. It literally doesn't affect you unless you're pathetic enough you need an entire race shut down to feel better about still living with your parents even though your privileged to fuck.

>>52429658
Anon literally sent you a link with pictures of actual Egyptian artifacts that represent their actual rulers. Their features are as negroid as it can get. Nigga.

>>52428751
It's only shit if you are also running cat. Then you end up shocking yourself too often
If the only green cards you run are command and revelry I'm the side it's all daijoubu

>>52429714
>>52429736
Of course, of course, u wuz kangz. Such a shame blacks have to stoop so low as to steal history. Delusions about the past won't make your ghettos any better, it won't stop you from murdering/stealing/raping and assaulting or any of that being inflicted on you by your fellow "brother".

>>52429126

>kys meme
>black people

what does it add up to?

>>52429802
Sure sure, we're stealing history even though there are literal artifacts to prove it. Of their actual rulers. But you've got to keep your delusion up or you'll feel inadequate with what little you've done with the privilege you've been given. In case you didn't know there is literally no excuse for a white person to be poor, out of employment and to commit a crime. Especially when everything is handed to you on a plate