/hhg/ - Horus Heresy General

>>52408891
That's a big Marine.

Second for Lorgar did nothing wrong
>neither did Erebus

No summary anon? Sad thread

Third for getting triggered by red and green.

>>52408902
for (you)

>>52408956
>trusting reports of Alpharius' death
>from the legion that specializes in misinfornation and falseflagging

Did we finally get rid of awooo-posters?

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>>52409020

>>52408999
Was getting trips part of your plan?

>>52409078
Well, gotta keep up appearance

Degenerate furfag

>>52408999
Tzeentch pls go.

When an option is only available if your army meets certain points level (example: 2000pts or more), does it mean that your army has to be that size BEFORE taking said option (example: 2000pts army + 100pts option) or TOTAL including option's cost has to be that size (example: 1900pts army + 100pts option) ?

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>>52409243
>white text on light grey background
Why.

>>52409206
If your army totals 2000 points, and something cannot be greater than 25% of your points, you can take it. Therefore, i would say you could take it with the second option you mentioned

>TOTAL including option's cost has to be that size (example: 1900pts army + 100pts option)

>>52409112
Of course!

is a knight acheron a cunty thing to take at 3k?

>>52409447
Do you expect to fight Raven Guard/Night Lords much? They'll struggle, most other legions will be fine

What would be the best "Questoris/GW" Knight in HH environment?

>>52409447
at 3k you get primarchs, typons and other nonsense, so sure go for it

>>52409460
definitely raven guard, but not too many people are running a lot of vehicles around me yet, its a fairly young meta
its a fairly long way away for me to be planning it anyways, still have an IH legion force to finish first, so i imagine things will normalize a bit more

>>52409473
The paladen with the questoris battle cannon, though it depends on your meta

>>52409473
I use the Paladin with the three-shot battle cannon to great effect, since it basically allows me to remove a unit of marines per turn. If you expect to be facing units with apothecaries, stick with the regular one.

Errant is only ever better if you expect to run into massed terminators, especially so if they're 2w.

Gallant loses shooting for an extra attack, not worth it.

Wardens kinda alright, but i prefer the Paladin for my ap3 needs, since you'll average about 8 hits with the gatling whereas 3 large blasts will annihilate units, even if you only get five hits per blast thats still gonna kill more

The Crusader is shootier but more expensive and loses melee D, which i find too good to do without. Plus, if you play at 3k, for like 300 points more you can bring a warhound and be king shit.

Any comments on Knight's shoulder(?) weapons? Or are they too expensive for its performance?

>>52409591
A skyfire autocannon should have its roles covered by the rest of your list, in dedicated ani-air or air superiority. The blasts are essentially ap- in the heresy, i.e. pretty suboptimal. They're cool though

>>52408891

If I pull that off, will he die?

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Finished up my Ixion Hale. Gonna use him as Valdor until the model for him comes out and/or Hale gets his own rules.

>>52409680
That'sh a nich cushtodesh.

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>>52409680
>mfw the cheapest locally costs €110 on ebay

>>52409720
He's a recast. I'm not paying that for a single 40mm model.

>>52409720
Chinaman has em for 35, including the ones on ebay

>>52409680
why not just use the mohawk head on a guardian? Just throw some blind on the spear and you're golden.

>>52409680
Enough gems to be Eldar/10

>>52409731
That's nice, but I'd rather not play him than use a recast. Not begrudging anyone who does, but I don't want that.

> 10pts Artificer armor
> Even Legion Puppy Squad doge Sarge can wear it
> Some 'Master of the Legion' cannot

What the fuck is wrong with them

>>52409785
Because they are silly people.
Some praetor-level chucklefucks bring powerarmor and fucking chainswords, after all.

So why did the heresy matter with the size of the imperium? A few hundred thousand traitor marines means less than one traitor marine per planet.

>>52409680
Oh, because I wanted Ixion Hale, and my second model I bought of him was used to make a Tribune for some Warders of The Gates Of Rhython.

>>52409777
It's really up to you, but this is the most realistic way to buy a limited single day release model that's normall over $120 on Ebay.

>>52409804
Because the traitors don't need to conquer every planet, they just need to take Terra and kill the Emperor (inadvertantly letting chaos into the heart of the imperium also with the webway gate). Same with gathering storm.

>>52409804
Why would matter that half the army of your country rebelled if they are no more than a 1% of the total population?

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I think I prefer the Schism of Mars to the Horus Heresy, I like how it was handled better as an actual civil war instead of lmao daemons

>>52409891
>lmao scrapcode

>>52409891
Create /SoMG/ and tell us how that goes anon. Good luck

>>52409916
I'd post in it.

>>52409862
In this case, space marines are 0.00000001% of the population and are outnumbered by the army a billion to one.

>>52409916
I would but 00101111 01110011 01101111 01101101 01100111 00101111 doesn't sound that catchy

>>52409935

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So I tallied together my entire Custodes collection thus far, and if I milk it for almost every upgrade I hit exactly 3500 points.

Is this list decent in the slightest? If I drop Armored Ceramite and Melta Bombs everywhere I drop to 3200 points.


Legio Custodes Army List

HQ: Constantin Valdor (All models have Teleportation Transponders) 275pt

HQ: Legio Custodes Tribune w/ Praesidium Shield, Cyber-Familiar, Melta Bombs, and Paragon Spear 265pt

HQ: Legio Custodes Shield Captain w/ Pyrithite Spear, Melta Bombs, Cyber Familiar, Digital Lasers 220pt

Elites: Legio Custodes Contemptor-Achillus Dreadnought w/ Dreadspear 240pt

Elites: Legio Custodes Contemptor-Achillus Dreadnought w/ 2 TL-Adrathic Destructors 230pt

Troops: Legio Custodes Custodian Guard Squad of 5 w/ a Magisterium Vexilla/Sentinel WarBlade and Melta Bombs 310pt

Transport: Legio Custodes Coronus Grav Carrier w/ Extra Armor and Armored Ceramite 160pt

Troops: Legio Custodes Custodian Guard Squad of 5 w/ Melta Bombs 300pt

Troops: Legio Custodes Custodian Guard Squad of 5 w/ Melta Bombs 300pt

Troops: Legio Custodes Sentinel Guard Squad of 5 w/ Melta Bombs, and a Magisterium Vexilla and Solerite Power Gauntlet 350pt

Transport: Legio Custodes Coronus Grav Carrier w/ Extra Armor and Armored Ceramite 160pt

Heavy Support: Legio Custodes Caladius Grav Tank w/ Extra Armor and Armored Ceramite 220pt

Heavy Support: Legio Custodes Caladius Grav Tank w/ Extra Armor and Armored Ceramite 220pt

Heavy Support: Legio Custodes Contemptor-Galatus Dreadnought 250pt

Total = 3500pt

>>52409932
Yep but a single company of marines can take a planet in days

>>52409953
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>>52410043
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Is Command Rhino worth the point?

>>52410072
no

>>52410072
Depends on the amount of units you put in reserves.

Many : yes
None : no

>>52410072
If you rely on reserves and deep strikes, yes. If you face the full Coils army, you may as well suicide-ram it into a melta squad on first turn.

http://www.mirandairene.com/products/new-product/leman-russ-primarch-of-the-space-wolves-1840.html

Is this legit lads. Will it actually come? Will I get sued by gw (I live in U.K.). Will it be fucking awful quality?

>>52410186
hahahaha... the GW police will get you. What a fucking moron

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>>52410186
The GW police won't get you. Cruddance will come breaking down your door and nerf the shit out of your legion while and Eversor fucks your waifu

>>52410210
Were all the assassins in 30k, it seems like their rules would have been in TotE

>>52410186
>buying cancerous resin Russ
>not proper metal Russ

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With the custodes jetbikes all I can see is this

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>>52410268
God dammit anon. Now I can't unsee it either.

>>52410268
Why is the lance so short?

>>52410268
DEJA VU
I'VE JUST BEEN IN THIS PALACE BEFORE
HERESY ON THE STEET
AND I KNOW IT'S MY TIME TO GO

>>52410313
Why is it only a normal powerlance, even using the spear would make more sence

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>>52410268

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>>52410268
Grimdark Racing's secret character

>>52410337
Don't bring up logic here.
More seriously, on bikes the Guardian Spear stats would at least make sense.
On infantry it's just dumb.

>>52410438
>On infantry it's just dumb.
why? its a long stick, that gets better with some momentum behind it

Guys, where can i get a picture with SoS using their new transport as strapon? Best content ever.

>>52410453
It's blade on a long stick, but does nothing on the defense. Also, spears are hardly charging weapons for infantry, strictly speaking.

15pts left; Should I give my Sarge a PF, or my Contemptor-cortus a Grav gun?

>>52410510
its one handed right? not really a defenceive wea-
oh who are we kidding, its not like FW gave any though to the relative advatages of using a two handed spear vs a one handed one, or infact anything beyond 'lol charging bonuses'
i do love HH, but it very easy to get caught up on shit that FW never even though of

>>52410536
A sarge of what squad?

>>52410536
which sarge, what else does the cortis have?

Marksmen Vet Sarge / Fist + Assault Cannon Cortus

>>52410543
it's not even FW, retarded designs are just an inherent part of 40k and always will be.

>>52410595
probs the cortis

>>52410608
This. GW also has axes and maces mixed up

>>52410660
>axe less penatrating than a sword
nuh lrn2physics

>>52410595
PF on that sarge is kinda pointless, so the grav is probably the way to go.

>>52410677
I didn't mean axes should be less penetrating than a sword. But maces were designed to dent and bend armour or just break bones through it, whilst axes certainly aren't more penetrating than a sword. Unless they had a hook or hammer on the back, but then you wouldn't be hitting with the axe part.

>>52410660
I don't think a mace should be cutting through terminator armour and what's the point of a power axes then, if it's just one more strength over a chainaxe?

>>52410734
Melee weapons don't make any sense in a sci-fi setting, in modern warfare they are totally uneccessary never mind in the far future.

>>52410734
>But maces were designed to dent and bend armour or just break bones through it

Ergo, not penetrate the armour. Which is why they got higher str., but less able to penetrate.

>axes certainly aren't more penetrating than a sword

When you got a power field enhancing your cutting, all you gotta do is swing real hard to drive that blade through just about anything. Swords probably have less concentrated mass on the strike to enable you to cut as effectively.

>>52410760
>totally uneccessary

Until you need one.

>>52410771
This guy gets it.

So what about when they introduce the rumored save modifiers back in the game?

>>52410771
But the point of a mace is that it will hurt the opponent despite the armour, because it does not have to penetrate it to seriously wound the wearer.

Swords would probably have the edge when it comes to penetration because you can stab with the pointy end, which besides being more easy to slip between armourplates also allows you to put your entire weight behind it.

But power weapons having different rules is just stupid. Maybe GW should have made them all AP 3 with AP 2 on a 6 to wound ... But doesn't matter anymore, coming edition it's all gonna be fixed to wound rolls and Rend values anyway.

>>52410844
Probably like in old 40k (and AoS?), where it's not based on the strength of the weapon, but has a fixed "reduce target armour save by this much" type thing.

I hope this means you don't have to pick one save by can use any and all saves you got, like in WHFB, since that 2+ armour isn't gonna be 2+ in most cases.

>>52410844
Could work if done well, but knowing GW it's gonna mean that armoursaves become a waste of point again just like 2nd edition.

Personally I'd use a somewhat hybrid system, which works just like it does now but if the AP of a weapon is only 1 point higher than the armoursave it applies a -1 save modifier. Would make AP 4 and 3 weapons a bit more meaningfull.

>>52410779
which you never will, firearms are viable at any range and by the far future your armour would make you impervious to anything that has the minimal force that can be applied by a human. Lrt's face it, if we were going to be honest all battles would be fought between space craft, because the threat nuking a planet from orbit would be more than enough to incur surrender and total submission, in the same way that nuclear subs ruled the cold war and actually led to very stable stalemates.

>>52410891
>But the point of a mace is that it will hurt the opponent despite the armour

Hence the higher chance of wounding them.

>because it does not have to penetrate it to seriously wound the wearer.

You still have to dent the armour. If that armour doesn't buckle, the force of the impact is distributed on a wider area and the effect is lessened.

>Swords would probably have the edge when it comes to penetration because you can stab with the pointy end
>slip between armourplates

If you half-sword it. Trying to push a sword blade through armour or into a grap by holding it by the hilt is not gonna be good for the blade. And when you have the blade wrapped in an energy field, I don't feel comfortable grabbing the blade to force it through enemy armour or into a gap.

>But power weapons having different rules is just stupid.

Because all weapon are identical, right?

>>52410945
>the threat nuking a planet from orbit would be more than enough

Which is why void shields are a thing. Important cities are covered entirely by voidshields.

Still doesn't make melee weapons a bit silly however.

>>52410945
>which you never will

Except all those times, even in modern history, where soldier have found themselves fighting in close combat and even using bayonets. Not to forget that you might want to take someone out quietly.

>>52410960
>Because all weapon are identical, right?

Nah, because different marks of power armour don't also have different rules. The differences between power weapons are small enough that they don't really warrant different rules in my opinion.

Would people mind if I buy Xiphon and field it as a Lightning? Because I find it look much better than Lightning.

>>52410945
>because the threat nuking a planet from orbit would be more than enough to incur surrender and total submission

Except when it would not and if you actually wanted to preserve said planet. Newsflash, nuking important infrastructure, industry and potential workforce is a retarded idea except as to a last resort; see exterminatus in the 40k universe.

Sure dedicated power weapons are silly, but "muh orbital bombardment" isn't a catch all solution.

>>52410907

It stands to make the game a lot better, providing its done right. All or nothing armour saves have led to an era of wild overproliferation of AP2 and AP3. If they nerf those a bit and give a boost to weaker weapons then it'll balance things out a lot. I'd say make AP4 a -1 to save and go from there, so that AP3 is -2, and AP 2 is -3. The downside that you point out is very real, but if they do invulnerables on top of normal saves, WHFB-style, then it wouldn't make an enormous difference - a terminator against AP3 would get a 4+ followed by a 5++, which is statistically the same as a 3+. He'd be tougher against AP2 as well, getting a 5+ followed by a 5++, which works out a little better than a 4++.

>>52411007
Well, that is your opinion.

I guess we should make all the shooty guns in the game more homogeneous as well. Like, seriously, how different is a lasgun from a bolter anyway? Does it matter if it's a little missile or a high energy bolt that blows your arm off?

>>52411072
More than differently shaped sticks with a powerfield around them :^)

But GW will agree with you on shooting weapons also not needing to be any different, or have a different effect depending on how tough the target is.

>Guardsmen wouding getchin on the same diceroll result as a warlord titan. All hail AoS !

>>52411059

Also, save modifiers would bring an end to the era of power fist and AA sergeants, because a guy with a power sword will swing first leaving out whether they change that, and the 2+ will be reduced to a 4+, making it a distinct possibility that fisty will get ganked before he swings. It would also bring an end to ridiculous activities like tanking all the AP3 wounds on the guy with the 2+ save. Honestly, I don't know what's not to like.

On the subject of who swings first in combat, if they are changing that then I'd like to see the bonus attacks from charging happening at the first initiative step (weapon rules aside). That would make it a bit more powerful, without completely invalidating initiative as a stat.

>>52411212
From the sounds of it Initiative is going to disappear. You charge, you strike first, so be ready for Orks punching Genestealers before they can strike.

But yeah, save modifiers would bring an end to the era of AA on anything. If even heavy bolters are going to bring down a 2+ to a 4+ then it is always better to bring two dudes for the same points than one dude with a 2+ save.

>>52411298
>From the sounds of it Initiative is going to disappear. You charge, you strike first

For the first round of combat, like in WHFB. But people just decided that "nu-uh, no initiative value at all, charger fights first always."

>>52411298

>If even heavy bolters are going to bring down a 2+ to a 4+ then it is always better to bring two dudes for the same points than one dude with a 2+ save

That's why it's absolutely, vitally, important that heavy bolters only have a -1 save modifier at most. Save modifiers must be a rare thing if armour is to have any purpose, not just something handed out to every bolter or lasgun.

brand spanking new - 'best' legion rules wise for fielding an Infantry based shooting army ?

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>>52411459
Tson vets with ass shells or imperial fist bolter boys.

>>52411024
If you don't modify it in any way and want that model to always be your lightning, not just a proxy to play test, then yes. Just modify it a little, it'll be fine

Having a few problems finding spaces to lay out all the zillion guns on my outlines of the Filiketos. Room to space out the Burst Cannon over the whole thing easily, but finding room on the front for two Volkite Carronades, a rack of 10 hunter-killers, a twin-linked Storm Cannon Array and an Autocannon/Markerlight dual turret is a pain. Thinking the underside of this thing may look a little like the Trade Federation landers from Episode I, except with less rounded lines.

>>52409017
It was confirmed by an omniscient 3rd person narrator.

It's a moot point anyways when everyone in the Legion is still also Alpharius (and Omegon is now literally calling himself Alpharius)

>>52410186
Is that recaster any good?

>>52410186
customs will simply record the delivery and pass the info on, wait for that police knock on your door m8

>>52410844
One thing will be that volkite gets a bit more dangerous. It's a double-whammy, more unsaved wounds first time means even more bonus wounds the 2nd time. Quick mathammer suggests 10 chargers firing at normal marines go from an average of 3.6 kills to 5.9 kills.

>>52411383
>daily reminder that both bolters and lasguns had a -1 ASM back in the day

Can a Headhunter Prime be given another power dagger along with the one he already has base? I really want to model a knife fighting sergeant

>>52410760
you are a fucking retard and have no idea about the setting.
When the level of close protection, e.g. armour, fields etc gets to the point where even a mass of fire such as lasguns can mostly be ignored, combined with superhuman speed/str/agility then melee is not only effective, but brutal and more efficient than standing still in said armour wasting ammunition.
plus... boarding actions and other close quarter fighting coupled with the above exaggerates the point even MORE ...

>>52411739
>Omegon is now literally calling himself Alpharius
The names may as well have been reversed and it wouldn't matter, one primarch still lives, and those had anyway been just code names.

>>52411876
Strictly RAW he can. But you can model him anyway, imo rule of cool trumps everything.

>>52411515
>saint michael
That's not just any bloodthirsty dragon, that's the devil.

>>52411739
>and Omegon is now literally calling himself Alpharius
Well, glad we solved that dumb little plot twist.

What other stupid HH idea is next on the chopping block?

>>52412165
Perpetuals.
Cabal.
Dan Abnett.

>>52411859

I know, I played 2nd edition when I was a whippersnapper. GW really need to learn from the mistakes they made way back when or they'll just make shooting even more powerful. Asking for a lot, I know, but this is the era of Rountree so I have hope.

>>52412190
They could probably even it out by removing many of the charge restrictions.

>>52412286
>charging out of outflank and deepstrike
Muh dick.

Looking to start a zone mortalis force. Trying to make my legion centurion really stand out anyone got pics they want to share of a cool force commander conversion?

>>52411978
Yeah it doesn't matter which one is still alive, the Alpha Legion is one. And yes I figured by RAW interpretation it would work, if someone has a problem with it I guess it'll just be a knife shaped meltabomb

>>52412313
>consolidating into close combat

Fast paced, high impact sexual violence.

>>52412372
It might make me actually play nids again.

>>52412286

I don't know, combat needs a boost, but that's probably a slightly separate issue. I reckon save modifiers would be great, as they'd primarily solve a lot of the rock-paper-scissors issues around weapons, particularly shooting. The problem that the AP system has is that it's all or nothing, particularly against power armour or better. If a gun is to be effective against space marines (the most common army in the game by a long way) then it needs to be able to get through their armour. Problem is that making something AP3 means that it can delete marines wholesale (same goes for AP2 and TEQ). If you have a save modifier instead you get rid of that problem - a weapon doesn't have to invalidate marines' saves in order to work against them, it can just reduce them to a 5+ instead. It has the potential to allow far more granularity and get rid of the worst issues that plague the shooting phase in one fell swoop. The only thing that they need to do, and this is mightily important, is ensure that save modifiers are limited in scope. That's why I like AP4 becoming a -1 to saves, as it buffs AP4 weapons, but nerfs AP3 and AP2 substantially. If they make it so that AP3 can still negate power armour, but AP4 and AP5 worsen it too, then it'll fuck the game even further and make armour worthless (like it was in 2nd edition).

TLDR: Whether save modifiers make the game better or worse will literally be a question of plus or minus 1 in either direction when they port over the current weapon stats.

>>52411007
Id like to see slight differences in power armor, for instance MKV being like black shield armor and a little cheaper than MKIV. MkIII getting re-rolls against template and blast weapons, but slower run/sweeping. MKIV being the base with no bonuses or penalties. Maybe mkIi granting a leadership penalty since only seasoned marines would be wearing mkII. Something like that.

>>52412564
Leadership bonus I mean

>>52412125

Wait, an angel is also a saint?

That seems either redundant or a conflict of interest.

>>52410186
Miranda Irene is great quality, also costs more than most recasters.

>>52412511
Pretty much. I'm personally looking forward to all the Basilisks, Volkite weapons, Heavy Bolters and such becoming actually viable choices, plus all the AP5/3 weapons on the stuff I'm converting becoming actually helpful in Warhammer 2+K. At the moment, there's literally three AP values. Good, situationally helpful and near useless, hence the power creep.
Hoping AP5 picks up a -1, though. Otherwise makes a whole bunch of stuff - Bolters, Heavy Stubbers, Shootas, Skitarii Vanguard, Burst Cannon/Pulse Rifles - somewhat overcosted for what they buy.

S<5 AP5/6 0 rend, S5+ AP5 and all AP4 1 Rend, AP3 and s<7 AP2 2 Rend, rest of AP2 and <9 AP1 3 Rend and S9/10 AP1 4 Rend?
Obviously can mix that up depending on the individual weapons once they update the books proper, but I think they'll probably put out an "AP/Rend conversion table" for the launch so they don't leave all the FW stuff and later books fucked over for ages.

So to people talking about 2nd ed armor modifiers

Remember that terminators used to be a 3+ on 2d6, and any model that had an invulnerable save treated it like an fnp save today, it was a second chance after failing armor. So it wasn't completely bullshit to have -2 on heavy bolters back then.

R8 my list. Tried to keep it fluffy and effective, although the lack of Deathshroud bugs me. Tempted to drop some of the Grave Wardens for some.

Death Guard 2.5k

HQ
Siege Breaker 105pts
- Augury Scanner
- Artificer Armour

Primaris Medicae 130pts
- Terminator Armour

ELITES
Rapier Weapons Battery 270pts
- 3 Rapiers
- Quad Launchers
- Shatter Shells
- Phosphex Shells

Apothecarion Detachment 150pts
- 3 models
- Augury Scanner

TROOPS
Tactical Squad 280pts
- 20 models
- Additional Combat Blade
- Rad Grenades
- Meltabombs

Tactical Squad 280pts
- 20 models
- Additional Combat Blade
- Rad Grenades
- Meltabombs

Heavy Support Squad 285pts
- 10 models
- Missile Launchers

HEAVY SUPPORT
Grave Warden Terminators 390pts
- 10 models
- 3 Chainfists

Deredeo Dreadnought 185pts

LoW
Mortarion 425pts

>>52409206
2000 points including whatever it is you're taking. But 2000, not 1999.

>>52412678

Yeah, but saving shot by shot on 2D6 takes forever. I think a decent level of invulnerability for terminators and the like could be achieved by making it so that you can take invulnerable saves on top of normal saves. If a 2+ save gets reduced to a 3+ save by a modifier, then a 5++ on top returns it to being almost as good as the 2+ in the first place. If AP2 weapons only had a -3 modifier, then terminators would be twice as survivable as they used to be with a 5+ 5++ save against them. It would make AP1 have a bit more use as well, giving you a good reason to consider taking melta rather than plasma to deal with those pesky termies.

>>52412891
Right, I'm just saying that the 2nd ed modifiers were in a context where the saves were different anyway, not advocating 2+ saves. So you shouldn't expect the numbers to be the same.

I do think invulns on top of armor would be good.

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How's this red looking for my thousand sons? Not the best picture but its what I've got.

Maybe a few more coats of clear red? Ignore the gold faceplate its a test model for the red now.

>>52412931
Not advocating 2d6 saves I mean

>>52412678
>2D6
>not D12

You think BoP came with all those D8s, D10s and D12s just for show? You think GW invested in whole new dice for one game? Oh, you better believe it's just a test bed for further expansion of our dice collections. Throw away your shitty D6s and make room for whole new dice.

Running a mechanicum army, how many Secutarii are too many? Currently got 20 Peltasts in 2k with an Axiarch and they are brutally effective.

>>52412931
what about invuls being taken before armor? Most invuls come from things like energy fields, so there's a chance the hit does nothing before striking the armor.

>>52412986
>Axiarch

It has not IC it can't join any squads

>>52412947
It looks ... very orange.

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These guys when?

>>52412931
Stacked saves (see fnp) are part of the problem. Invulns should remain as they are and be immune to rend, but never exceed 4+

>>52412947
It can be hard to tell because of the kind of light you are using, but to me that looks like it needs another coat of the red. Unless you have it under a warm bulb.
Remember to use gloss wash when recess shading.

>>52413001
It is a nice idea, but I think you could run into the issue of invulnerable saves becoming too powerfull. Could be avoided with apropiate point values but well ... When was the last time GW had aproppiate point values ?

>>52413001
There's no difference in which order you roll your saves.

Wonder if they're gonna change cover saves to something like to hit modifiers. Models with 2+ armour, 5+ inv. and 4+ cover, on top of FNP is a lot of saves, even if you reduce the 2+.

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>>52413100
Never fear, it's not GW, it's FW. They'll give everything the correct points costs.

>>52413001
>>52413100

It doesn't matter which way round you do it, the result is mathematically identical.

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>>52413182

>>52413194
I was thinking more from a process perspective. Invuls before wounds and armor then fnp last

>>52413127

Saves could do with being better anyway, it's a bit too easy to just delete swathes of models at the moment. Cover is a tricky one, something that's kind of fluffy about the current mechanic (or at least would be if there weren't so much AP2/3 around) is that units with good armour don't need to take cover. Perhaps keeping cover as a save which can only be taken instead of your other saves would be best, though it would make anything that's not LoS blocking kind of irrelevant for a lot of armies.

>>52413251
What about cover as a to-hit modifier instead?

>>52413182
>tfw sanguinius and the lion will be 499 points

>>52413100
>invulnerable saves becoming too powerfull

Yeah, just like in WHFB, where having a ward save on top of your armour save was royally borked and the sign of a WAACfag.

>>52412678
>any model that had an invulnerable save treated it like an fnp save today
it was more like a ward save in fantasy, taken before armor saves

I... Can't parse why people keep calling the Coronus good in the context of the overall Custodes army?

It's basically just a jacked up Razorback, and doesn't fill an anti-whatever role other units can't do better.

Sure it's technically a really good vehicle, but it's a non-assault transport for a purely assault oriented army and you have more efficient shooting platforms that aren't spending points on half-assing a transport job for models that can easily be made to deep strike or infiltrate.

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>>52409804
>>52409828
>>52409862
>>52409932
>So why did the heresy matter with the size of the imperium? A few hundred thousand traitor marines means less than one traitor marine per planet.
Because it wasn't just the Marines who joined Horus.

Assuming you haven't read any of the HH novels (and noting this was previously established fluff before that series), the various expedition fleets of the Great Crusade were nominally, if not directly, under the control of their Space Marine contingents accompanying them. Both due to their imposing presence, as well as the previously built up loyalty to those they fought alongside (to say nothing of those regiments raised from worlds directly controlled by the Legions), meant that for the most part the contingents of the Imperial Army (which included the navy at that time) sided with whoever the closest Space Marines were at the time. The same goes for the Mechanicum.

It was because of this that the Imperium was extensively reformed in the wake of the Heresy, with the strict separation of the Navy and Guard chains of command and assets, making the two of them dependent on each other to function, without either group being entirely beholden to the other. Along with the rules that Space Marines aren't allowed to command large armies of 'mortals' aside from those needed to guard their domains, or raise their numbers beyond 1,000 warriors.

Basically absolutely everything was overhauled in the wake of the Horus Heresy, to prevent anything like that from happening again. And it worked okay-ish until Vandire came along and made himself head of the church and administratum.


>>52409935
>binary code doesn't sound catchy
HERETEK!
https://youtu.be/wy-sVTaZRPk

>>52413243

Still doesn't make the blindest bit of difference, order of operations is irrelevant for a simple sequence of probabilities like dice rolling.

>>52413295

Problem with that is that either you'll end up with orks and the like unable to hit anything in a ruin, or if you make it so that shooting can only be reduced to a 6+ at worst, then BS2 would be less affected by shooting into heavy cover than BS4, which seems wrong. I still kind of like what I suggest in >>52413251, so that something like heavy cover would improve your save to an unmodifiable 4+, medium to a 5+, and light to a 6+ (or whatever). That way there's not much reason for marines to take cover unless they're up against some pretty big guns, but guardsmen (or militia, to stay /hhg/) would be better off taking shelter against most things.

Oh, and MCs and vehicles shouldn't be able to take cover saves.

>>52411383
Yeah, save modifiers should be reduced relative to 2nd edition, when -1 was standard for any military-grade weapon. I think even lasguns had -1! Shuriken catapults were -2. Autoguns are the only -0 weapon I can think of right now.

That meant marines rarely took 3+ saves, and took me time to get used to 3rd edition when all my marine-playing friends suddenly had ridiculously hardy armies. But now we're used to it, and -0 really should be the norm.

I'm less enthusiastic about range modifiers (e.g. -1 to hit if shooting 12"-24"). That was a weapon stat that a lot of people had to look up every time so it slowed things down. Replacing cover saves with to hit modifiers would be okay, though. Similar effect, anyway: -2 to hit on BS4 is equivalent to a separate 4+ save.

I don't like the movement change, either, mostly because it'll be a reduction for almost everyone. More movement makes games better, imo, makes them less dependent on deployment.

Don't like the leadership changes, either. Real life battles do come down to units running away all at once, and getting run down or just scattering and ceasing to function. 40k/30k should have gotten more running away, not less. 40k's never done enough with morale.

>>52413243
rolling it in order of effectiveness, would be better, so you get rid of as many dice as possible in one roll, rather then rolling a +4 save and a +3 FNP (in that order) its more effective from a "roll the least amount of dice" to do the +3 FNP first.

Which legion did Dreadknights originate from?

I think they might be based off Perturabo's robots, but they aren't loyalist...

>>52412970
>Throw away your shitty D6s
You mean put them back in the boardgames I took them from?

>>52413127
>There's no difference in which order you roll your saves.
Sure there is. Best save to worst save is the most efficient way to do it.

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>>52410268
>>52410323
>>52410368
>>52410403
Why must you do this to me?
FW, this is your fault for not giving us BOLLOCKS pattern Jetbikes, like Visions promised.

>>52413650
It doesn't matter, the odds are the same.

>>52413796
I wish some place would sell just casts of the riders and B&S would make a Custodes scale version of their jetbike. Then I'm just a big aquila mounted on the hood away from the Collected Visions Custodes jetbikes.

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>>52410960
>And when you have the blade wrapped in an energy field, I don't feel comfortable grabbing the blade to force it through enemy armour or into a gap.
Tfw ywn have half-swording minis-
Wait...
A Praetor with a Power Fist and Paragon Blade would be able to do half swording! Only because it'd look cool, not because Guilliman also does it. Or Abaddon, but he sucks.

I agree with you on the subject of maces and power axes: wounding someone regardless of their armour would indeed be an increase of AP rather than strenght, but considering it's a cosmetic difference and AP modifiers are coming, it would only matter to 40k Chaplains; ours can get Axes Arcanum anyway.

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>>52411515
>Oh "look I killed a bloodthirsty dragon I'm so cool, I'm the best, watch out"
Funny, it reminds me of pic related

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>>52412346
>Trying to make my legion centurion really stand out
>Too much of a special snowflake for general issue gear
I don't know, but give him funny eyes and we'll make him a meme :^)

>>52409017
BL editors and staff keep saying over and over Alpharius is 100% dead but it's irrelevant because Omegon has taken his identity and they're basically the same thing.

>>52413874
>It doesn't matter, the odds are the same.
Doesn't matter for the final result, but saves time. Fucking autistic statisticians.

>>52410368
kek, saved

>>52412692
Don't sound too bad...except for footslogging Mortarion, but he can teleport a bit.
Will suffer against people with transports, tanks or flyers, but you know that.
What's the plan?

>>52414055

1d4-1 Alpha Legion Primarchs exist.

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>>52413026
Shhh, that's FW being FW
>>52413089
Indomitus? Already exist, and Gorgons are clad in something developed from Indomitus.
Too bad taking their beautiful bulldog faces means shooting yourself in the foot.

>Alpharius
>Alpha Russ

Coincidence?

>>52413090
>never exceed 4+
Like the Sally and IF ones?

>>52414059
>t. a fucking casual fuck

>>52413345
>ward saves
>before armor saves
You wot?

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>>52414106
>He knows Russ is Alpharius
SHUT IT DOWN

How many Custodes does it take to change a lightbulb?

10,000. One to hold the lightbulb, 9,999 to fail the Emperor in his hour of need.

>>52414188
How many custodes does it take to stop 2 harlequins?

a couple dozen

>>52414188
Even if the 10,000 had tried to teleport to the single room (which they didn't, many were busy fighting traitors elsewhere and their numbers had been reduced from fighting daemons in the webway), Chaos fuckery would have meant Horus and the Emperor would still have fought alone.
It's one of the things that are impossible to prevent, not unlike Magnus' fucking up, and uncle Ben and Batman's parents' deaths. They just happen no matter what, and if you do try to avoid it everything gets even worse.

>>52414180
>Purity seals on the glass

for what purpose

>>52414413
Wait fuck me that's parchment, I always thought it was a champagne glass

Kill me now

>>52414439
>Kill me now
I was about to, believe me.
Now I want a champagne glass with a purity seal, though.
Would be like one of those Upper Hive scum :^)

>>52414439
>The Scene: Ahriman and Magnus and other high ranking Thousand Sons beneath the Pyramids of Tizca, all are wasted. Ahriman has a Tie tied around his head, Magnus is wearing 5 party hats and no shirt.
>My Sire, you are truly an amazing psyker, but I don't think it possible for ANYONE to break through the psychic defense of the webway...
>Oh shut up Ahriman, I'll show you. Hold my fucking beer for a moment.

The rest of history is known.

>>52413585

none, they were invented by jokaero

RULESFAGS, I NEED YOUR HELP
Horror Cult states that any night lords infantry squad must always declare a charge against an enemy unit within 12"
would this allow them to ignore firing a rapid fire weapon when declaring a charge, and if a squad destroyed their shooting target, would they be able to declare a charge against another enemy unit, in the same way the cult horde provenance works?

>>52414830
nope, all these "musts" are always within the normal realms of the rules.

>>52414830
>would this allow them to ignore firing a rapid fire weapon when declaring a charge

No, the rule does not state any exceptions to general rules therefore you cannot fire rapid fire weapons when within 12'' of an enemy as you need to charge them.

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OK, now I've planned out both the MK1 and the MK2 to the point I can just order the parts for them as soon as the new terrain kits are out, Whale-stormbird or Airship-carrier Manta for the project? Going to be a couple weeks at least anyway, may as well pick one now.

Also, what "mundane" army project to work on first? Matrix Vulturax, Huxley Occularis, Stormfiend/Banemask Castellax, Navigator and Mad Scientist Magi, biopunk artillery or regular Thallax and Levies?

The first project, at least.

Was the whole what happens when one FMC gets grounded in a group thing ever resolved?

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Finished my last tactical marines. Only 10 power armor guys remaining.

>>52414877
nope, afaik people were talking about treating it like immobilisations in a squadron (aka the mates abandon the grounded FMC and it becomes its own unit)

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>>52414921
Also adjusted the head position on this guy.

>>52414092
Also the 1d4 will never be rolled.

>>52414232
>Magnus fucking up
>impossible to prevent

The entire heresy could have been prevented by a handful of words from the Emperor to the primarchs and just some small measure of trust is all it would take.

>>52415085
But talking to numbers is so autistic anon :^)

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>>52414509
kek

Looking to start 30k with Emps Children. Picking up the Calth box this weekend. Any advice?

>>52415147
EC are a "that guy" legion

>>52415147
Most people start of BaC using PotL ROW and building the mk4s as veterans,

You have a really good unique weapon called a Power Spear which you should give to all your sgts for sweet sweet ap2 at I5 on a unit that will be anywhere near combat because you have to challenge

Eidolon is retarded in fluff but his rules are pretty good

See if you can swap the Cataphractii termies for Tartaros so you can sweep

>>52414870
Not gonna lie, Fishtank-with-legs Magos Dungil Xander sounds hella cool, but perhaps the Matrix Vulturax project you mentioned earlier is easier to do.
I can't even imagine what biopunk artillery would look like
As for the flying monstrosity, either sounds cool. Didn't you make a sketch?.
Can you even take a Manta?
Please don't make these Handymen Banellax

>>52415147
Read the Maru Skara rite of war in the Legions book. It's a good one. I like to put shooty things in the closed hand (the part of the army that enters via outflank), because they don't need to be fast if they have enough range to be useful even if they come in on the wrong side.

>>52415085
That's assuming explaining the warp to Magnus wouldn't make him even more curious about it, eventually still finding out Tzeentch and trying to use his power to aid the Imperium.
Or something like that, yadda yadda just as planned.

>>52415147
Cataphractii should be set up for shooting or charging vehicles with chanfists. For assaults, consider Phoenix Terminators because their models are just that good. Those would need an assault vehicle (Land Raider Phobos, Spartan, or one of the fancy drop pods).

Palatine Blades don't seem to be worth it.

You'll want transports. EC are a finesse army that depends on movement and positioning.

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>>52414921
>>52414939

>>52415297
Magnus was well aware of the warp, more than most in the Imperium, but all the Emps had to do was explain his plans and request Magnus to avoid any psychic shenanigans.

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>>52409680
I suppose that's what a Paragon spear looks like. What's that, a battle axe? Danish axe?
CUSTODIAN BILLHOOKS WHEN

>>52415410

He literally just needed to explain the threat of chaos to magnus privately, and impress on him the importance of suppressing it to avoid cults.

Magnus coulda psykered all day long without invoking big bird.

>>52415271

I made a shitty scribble, since I cannot in any way draw. Was going to do a proper outline on graph paper in a bit.
Matrixllax probably wouldn't take too long, would just have to nab a couple Havoc Launchers off a friend and bolt on them and a couple Heavy Arc Rifles. I think I'll probably do that when the model arrives, if I win the auction.

Biopunk arty was going to be Basilisks with Servitors loading bio-shells made from Nid Spore mines, some Skaven gas tanks on the side and such. Just a way of keeping the OR arty batteries in theme.
I can take the Manta, because FW gotta loophole. RAW, I can take literally any Flyer or Superheavy Flyer, and the Manta rules are written so I can transport Mech vehicles as well, not just the Devilfish and such, and the only rule it has I can't use are the Battlesuit bays. Stormbird is basically smaller version of, but I can't put vehicles in it because it's only allowed to carry Rhinos and Dreadnoughts.

No Baneallax? Fair enough, I was aiming at OR primarily anyway, and they were just something I came up with when I had the army idea. Can I ask why not, just out of interest?

Think I'll work on the Manta and the Magi, then.

>>52415317
>Palatine Blades don't seem to be worth it.

Palatine Blades are pretty good with Pheonix Spears stick them in a LR or give them jump packs and let them get into combat to butcher something better than Swordmen Vets

>>52415516

Wait, emperor's children terminators can take jump packs? Because I will buy an entire EC army this second if that's a thing.

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>>52415552
Phoenix Guard are the Termies, Blades are these guys

>>52415516
I wouldn't give them all spears. Don't underestimate the damage you can do with a shitload of rending attacks.

>>52415507
>Magnus coulda psykered all day long without invoking big bird.
>"I'm having waffles, I'll grab a knife with telekinesis"
>"Woops I broke the Palace's wards"
Best to not psyker at all.

>>52415507
The thousand sons were fairly well supressed apart from the flesh change and knew how to stop psykers from going rogue. Ultimately it comes down to the Emperor being incapable of trust and chaos exploiting the primarchs ignorance. But we don't know the Emps final plans so for the legions turning traitor may have been the only way to survive the Emperor trashing them.

>>52415596
Psssh, dice and fun?
This is a game of mathhammering and statistics :^)

>>52415596
You don't need rending if you can kill pretty much anything on the turn you charge for 10ppm

>>52413357
i'm having the same problem with lots of the units - for example the grav speeder, people argue it's good because for the same points legion doesnt get the same armour, or the ability to jink and sitll fire full bs etc.... but, the custodes one only has 1 gun... so it's not very shooty at all.

>>52415639

There is no reason to take Pallas speeders when Bikes have the same kinda firepower for the same cost, but more flexibility.

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>>52415622
>The thousand sons were fairly well supressed apart from the flesh change and knew how to stop psykers from going rogue.
Yeah, it's just that an entire legion being fooled by tzeentchian daemons posing as familiars don't really inspires too much trust, you know?
>Magnus -- ah, now there was one who really understood the mysteries of the empyrean, AND EVEN HE HAD BEEN DECIEVED

>>52415637
>10ppm
That's a funny way of saying "42ppm".

>>52409656
It would be extremely painful.

>>52415677
Why must the DG be generally awesome but have the most awful primarch?

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>>52415847
Because their theme is enduring suffering, anon. For you.

>>52415904
>one of Mortarion's defining features is his breath mask
>FW model is bare faced
What did the sculptor mean by this?

>>52415637
except you kill more with the rending than the spears, and not just on the charge

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>>52415992
He was just giving them the IW treatment. All art of him up until HH4 has his face covered by a rebreather, and HH4 was influenced by the model itself.
Why would Mortarion be bald instead of having a mass of dirty smelly hair not unlike Curze's?

As someone who plays 40k Guard I've been interested in at least trying Heresy era stuff for a while but rarely ever see discussion or images of Solar Auxillia or Cult/Militia stuff when I skim these threads.

Is this because they're bad or just that they're a later addition to a format that's been Marines top to Bottom since its release?

>>52416373
Solar auxilla is pricey, lot of tanks, and can have tons of infantry, with all of it having to be a FW resin kit. Also, HH is mostly marine fans

>>52416373
Cult/Militia list is too barebone to amount to a standalone army so people, if any, take them as allies.

>>52415147
>Any advice?
You'll have an easy time selling the custodes on eBay, or trading them with someone locally.

>>52416478
Not really, it can definately stand on its own. But besides having rules it basically has no support from FW. And the fact that things like Chimeara's, Valkyries and the like are completely absent is kind of a slap in the face.

>>52416637
Not that anon, but perhaps the lack of a platoon-system or its equivalent unsettles some people. I mean, even the Auxilia has Tercios, why cant the Militia have something like that?

>>52416582
>Calth box

He will have an extremely easy time getting rid of those Custodes ... specially when you realize that he got the box that has no custodes in it

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>>52416713

>>52416687
Probably because most of the militia armylist is not sold by FW itself. They probably got told to invest as little time and effort in it as possible and go back to making more rules about marines.

Shame really, as also half of the Imperial army joined the traitors. Even as a marine fan I have to say that the focus on marines only for HH is getting a bit dull.

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>Be fit bodybuilder and 6'3"
>Have played Warhammer for 11 years
>Start getting back into the game seriously and try new venues
>Go to LGS
>Try to find game with newly painted Custodes
>Overweight neckbeards everywhere
>One literally tells me "Isn't a game more of the place for you?"

Holy fuck I just want to play with my fucking models and properly learn to play 30k.

>>52416687
>>52416820
I'm the >637 poster, I still think it's nice the Warp Cults and Militia were officially included and also have some support like the Sacrificial Offering rite.

Damn, someone outbid me on the Matrixllax. Ah well, there'll probably be more.

>>52416820
>Even as a marine fan I have to say that the focus on marines only for HH is getting a bit dull.
Yet until a month and a half ago, over a quarter of the legions hadn't been fleshed out yet. Now it's 3 out of 18.

(Don't forget Mechanicum and Knight Houses - they've gotten lots of love too.)

>>52416884
>>One literally tells me "Isn't a game more of the place for you?"
What did he mean?
>>Be 6'3"
Height itsn't something I can change, anon.
>>52416908
To be honest, I didn't think there would be an active market for matrix minis. That's too specific.

>>52416971
Sorry, "gym"

Thanks Phone.

>>52416965
>Knight Houses - they've gotten lots of love too.
Giving head isn't done with the mouth, it's done with the heart.
Now put that heart to work :^)

>>52417000
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PGLzm-Gy0dQ

>>52416884
nice blog.

>>52417101
Not the same anon, but your insecurity is showing

>>52416971
I have no idea why about four different people were interested enough to bid on one, but someone wants it more than me, so whatever. There's quite a few left around if I want to pick another one up, that was just a really cheap one I thought I'd try to jump on.

>>52417130
no, I just don't see what being fit or obese has to do with playing miniature games. Kindly fuck off.

>>52417226
Are you autistic? He's literally describing the hostile atmosphere of a gaming store.

There are literally using his fitness as a way to attack him. These are the same people you probably play with on a regular basis

>>52416820
I remember hearing that when FW gets around to Tallarn's invasion they're going to add more units to both the Solar Auxilla and the Militia & Cults.
Maybe we'll finally get Rough Riders, so I can have some Knights of Caliban next to some Dark Angels.

>>52417298
>a single (huehuehue) neckbeard makes a single remark
>"hostile" atmosphere

>>52417303
>Rough Rider
>On Tallarn

Enjoy the Horses dissolving into a fleshy soup upon contact with the air.

>>52417337
It takes one person to make an environment uncomfortable, m8.

You're doing it right now.

>>52417337
That's all it takes, really.

>>52417303
It'll just mean tanks as HQ and troops.

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>>52417349
They don't just use horses on Tallarn. But yeah I know it'll just be more tanks, and maybe a unit of infantry.

>>52417404
fuck off cuckboi, go watch Tyrone fuck your wife

>>52415847
Mort's super interesting because he's so obviously damaged.

Black library making him into "lol me psykers now" was a mistake, though. Just takes away from the whole twist betrayal he gets en route to terra.

Also forgeworld's model for him is kinda shite. Like, not lorgar shite, but almost.

>>52417090
I had a giggle.
This is the proper way of reacting to a guy who only wanted a pat on his shoulder after an uncomfortable experience, instead of going full "why are you trying to steal my trademarked pats? You and your gibsmedat!" like this guy here >>52417490

>>52417490
POL STAY IN POL

>>52417507
When Mortarion's model was released I had no idea what it was ... untill somebody was talking about 'Mortarion's model' and I asked him "What model ?"

Man was that awkward.

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>>52417507
>Mort's super interesting because he's so obviously damaged.
Precisely, but turning him into what he hates is a twist of the unbroken knife. I'd like this "the path to the Eye is paved with good witch-hating intentions", but that's on the verge of becoming "stealing yet more dignity from him".

>>52416884
Tell the manlet to fuck off.
Or just stare them down. Or look pointedly at their shit painted models, then at your own.
Those kind of scum are the worst. Keep at it anon. Not everyone is total shit. Just most people.

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>>52417611
>Tell the manlet to fuck off.
>Not challenging to a battle of minis and beating him in his own element, earning VP gains when your warlod beats his
I thought he wanted a game?

>>52414509
This version makes Magnus a lot more sympathetic, really.

>>52416884

>6'3''

Shorty :^)

Just ignore or stare down rude people and find the more social people that you enjoy playing with.

>>52417602
>Precisely, but turning him into what he hates is a twist of the unbroken knife.
Thing is I like heresy mort just getting all his bottled up patricide out, without the chaos bullshit. That was one of the few things we actually knew about him from older fluff, much as black library views that stuff with scorn. And then at the end of it all he gets stuck into another unwinnable situation, but no longer has the emperor to bail him out and falls because of it.

You know, pottery. It gives him his own unique way of getting sucked into chaos, rather than "magnus but more dumb and angry"

>>52417298
what has fitness got to do with suggesting he go to game? Nice strawman.

>>52417611
Honestly what's really fucking frustrating is that I used to be overweight and asocial when I first got into the game. It's only about 5 years ago that I decided being a lazy fuck wasn't for me.

Sucks getting mocked for wanting to be healthy.

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>>52417735
I sort of recall Mortarion siding with Horus because he agreed more with him than with the distant Emperor and suddenly he was NURGLED.
If anything, I'm glad he's not being fleshed out, and as I mentioned, I like people becoming what they swore to destroy

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>>52417844
>reaper man archetype
>not being fleshed out

>>52417760
Slaanesh is often summarized to lolsluts, but comprises all sensations and excesses, including stuff like obsessive swordsmanship traning, which some would think it'd be a khornate thing.
Is Nurgle the same, or does it comprises Fat Fucks only?

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>>52417873
>Hurr durr I'm the Reaper from the Reaper legion. I wield a scythe and I bring death because that's the entirety of my character.
Wew, I'm overwhelmed by the concept. Were there even quotes about him, before HH1?

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>>52417899
Not everything rotting is a bloated mess. Anorexia also seems kind of a Nurgle thing.

>>52417966
not many of the primarchs had quotes about/from them before FW/BL started their long march

>>52418022
is that the catti fist?

>>52417735
Given that his old fluff fall came at the hands of his most trusted subordinate was also quite nice and aligned well with the Heresy as a whole.

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>>52418035
Or any kind of developement at all, like Ferrus "All we know about him is that he dies first" Manus

>>52418022
>If only you understood the glory of golden armour
I feel like he's trying to explain something to me.

>>52418022
It's a little small but otherwise looks fine.

>>52417507
>Black library making him into "lol me psykers now" was a mistake, though. Just takes away from the whole twist betrayal he gets en route to terra.
Not really. He thought he could control it, use it as a tool, not knowing that in the Warp, Chaos uses you.

>>52418067

Tartaros.

Shoulder was too large to fit under the pauldron, but I fixed that by whittling it down with my hobby knife.

>>52417760
The rest of us hope you find a friendly group. I feel like Heresy players have been better overall (older crowd) but it's not going to be perfect. Good luck.

>>52418112
Technically the typhus fluff was a soft retcon, since "death guard warp to earth and get fucked" is from the 2e/3e/index astartes fluff, before he existed.

not that I mind, him killing all the navigators and saying he'll guide them properly to earth is an actual reason for them to get lost at warp beyond "chaos did it"

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>>52418170
>He thought he could control it, use it as a tool
And even then, only because he found himself surrounded by witches. That was the unforeseen consequence of siding with his beloved brother Horus.
To remember he didn't even want to serve in the crusade as long as there were psykers in it.

How have you fellow Alpharius's modeled sabatours ?

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Was this mini ever finished?

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>>52418396

>>52418022
Glad to see you took a fellow Custodes player opinion and idea choice to heart.

Is Vorax over Castellax a bad choice? I thought it could be a solid choice for counter-chage or outflank.

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Is there a reason Cataphractii Terminators can't use Cyclone Missile Launchers? It's so thematic.

>>52418666
Maybe because those had only just been invented and put on cataphractii by Perturabo ?

But I do agree, all IW specific things should be shared amongst all the legions :^)

>>52418640
Not a bad choice at all.

>>52418666
I think it's deliberate that only a few legions have access to long-range shooty termies. They open up a lot of possibilities, like successfully footslogging a bunch of infantry while staying safe from deep strikers.

>>52418666

I don't know Slaanesh. Probably it's tech that wasn't really around at that point.

>>52418778
>successfully footslogging a bunch of infantry while staying safe from deep strikers.
How?
>>52418719
Ree.

Relative noob on lore here, can someone tell me exactly what Magnus did wrong? In 30k he seems very reasonable and loyal and ends up a kind of tragic heroic figure, but in 40k he's a fucking demon destroying everything in his wake. What happened??

>>52418879
Chaos is a hell of a drug. 40k Magnus isn't really Magnus anymore.

>>52418666
What exactly do you mean, Satan?

'Cause Invictus and Tyramts can, even though the Launchers were pretty new iirc.

If you follow the "why can't x take y" logic all the way down, you'll end up wondering why heavy Support Marines aren't your basic troops choice and have suspensor webs. End of the day, it's just to keep in-game balance

>>52417966

"But Mortarion sir, what if they fight back?"

>>52418974
Why are my tactical marines not allowed to dualwield turbolaser destructors ? How am I suppose to create My Dudes with such limited options ?! REEEEEEEE

>>52419013

Mortarion doesn't seem to really get that if you try to stab a planetary population to death alone, they'll probably have a birth rate outstripping you.

>>52419044
>"Well... you say that sir, but the math doesn't really check out..."

>>52418022
>>52418141

>You there, you have the physique of the emprah, make poses with me

>>52419013
Then you fight back harder
>Pain is an illusion of the senses, despair an illusion of the mind.
>t. Mortarion

>>52418879
Magnus shatters, and exactly to what end we're not sure.

40k daemagnus is a fractured piece of the full dude's personality, one filled with his curiosity of the warp, hatred from neglect, feelings of betrayal by Big E, and burning ire against the degenerate yiffs. It's no wonder that this fragment is crazy for Tzeentch. Just as planned.

However, other parts of him do good. Looks like he's also Janus, so Magnus is in a sense, simultaneously one of the greatest saviors and greatest threats to the Imperium.

>tfw you will never see Draigo and Magnus fight Mortarion and Magnus

>>52419044
The entire enemy team is babies!

>>52419135
Who is Janus?

>>52419135
I thought Arvida was Janus.

>>52418843
Most shooty back lines consist of guys in power armor and rapiers. They're susceptible to assault. Throw a few terminators in and they can handle incoming choppy dudes that approach (if your firebase is shooty enough, they'll have to come to you). But if they aren't shooty then they'll be a waste of points while they sit around and wait. Siege Tyrants and Grave Wardens are pretty good at it. The UM dudes are too expensive to take, imo.

>>52419135
>It's Janus, Magnus in disguise
No thanks.

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Quick, post guys with as many Primarch kills as Fulgrim

>>52418484
That's mine! Hory shit u saved? Flattered.

Nope, still unpainted, sitting in my box of shit. If I do paint it, it won't be to /hhg/'s standards anyway, so yeah. Sorry.

>>52419194

A half doesn't count.

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>>52419194

>>52419167
The first leader of the grey Knights.

We know virtually nothing about him, other than he's nearly Primarch-strong and was an insanely powerful psyker. And considering the GK's are utterly incorruptible by the warp, it figures they're gene-seed is coming from a piece that, I guess, is untouchable by the chaos gods.

>>52419194
Fulgrim iced Rob for the better part of 10k years so that has to be worth .5 at least.

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>>52419194

>>52419171
Only after merging with a Magnus shard that also may have been Arvida's tutelary (maybe all the tutelaries were Magnus shards from the future).

>>52419194
I think Dorn could fit more eagle iconography on himself but I'm not sure how.

>>52419241
He came back with better stats. He should have done a better job.

>>52419194

>No power fists
>No fist iconography

Blanche is a hack.

What non-Primarch, non-PotL characters make Vets troop?

>>52418022
Given that the one official Solarite is a very slim affair, I'm not sold on this one size-wise.

>>52419361

>Gulliman can never take his armour off or he'll die
>Fulgrim strips to taunt him

>>52419390

The official Solarite is left handed, not compatible with the Vexillus.

>>52419167
Omegon.

>>52419387
The Delegatus consul gives access to the Chosen Duty rite of war (it's explained in his entry, not in the rite of war pages).

>>52419194
>Dorn is largely considered the most boring primarch ever, how do we fix this?
>Let's have him kill an actual primarch in the most bland, predictable and uninspired way possible.
>Brilliant!

>>52419412
s-stop

>>52419430
I know, I'm sitting before the same issue, I just think most marine fists are a tad to big to match how I imagine it to look.
Truth be told, I've been eyeing this IG fist, but it is very bland for Custodes...

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>>52419194
Killy demigods a best chaos.

>>52419206
Will it be alphas, Operator-anon?

>>52419473
How did Dorn kill Alphy through the trickster bullshit?

>>52419256
>maybe all the tutelaries were Magnus shards from the future
See, this is one of the reasons why fuck BL.

>>52419603
He didn't drink the "for Victory" Kool aid.
Like Angron, he just attacked not caring what the adversary had planned. He would have died, but one Fist knocked the pale spear away from his face

Anybody here running Armoured Breakthrough? I'm kinda conflicted over what to run as Troops, given that Tsons Raptora Breachers as an anchor to a more punchy Khanatai Blade squad sounds like an appealing idea.

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>>52419412
>I'll strip in your stead, son of the Emperor. Yvraine fears She Who Thirsts not!