MTG Modern General

>>52404473
delirium is shit
Play death's Shadow which gets delirium but doesn't play any delirium cards

Don't know enough about embalm

Brewing my Tallowisp deck. And I think Undying with Eldritch Evolution has something going for it.

>>52404473
Embalm seems fine as a mechanic. Don't see any deck in modern particularly benefiting from it (maybe dredge?) but it's just generally ok. Sam Stoddard's most recent standard article talks about powering up answers but still acts as if every answer needs to be super specific rather than just generally good so I doubt we'll actually see good answers anytime soon.

Need an artifact creature that wants to hit the yard early so you get half delirium right there. Sac land for 1/4, and then 1 cost instant or sorcery for last bit

>>52404550
Fatal push definitely felt like a step in the right direction.

>>52404538
>doesn't play any delirium cards
Nigga can you read Traverse the Ulvenwald, you know the card that fucking makes the deck?

>>52404538
Wtf do you mean it plays 4 Traverse te Ulvenwald

>>52404538
>Doesn't play any delirium cards
Anon pls

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>>52404567
>>52404569
>>52404584
All me

>>52404550
Embalm could be very powerful in midrange if there are good creature who have it, which there probably won't be any that will be powerful enough for Modern. It's an oppertunity for card advantage, seeing as the card would have to removed twice.

>>52404599
Le successful bait meme

>>52404634
It's essentially just undying or persist that you pay for senpai

>>52404634
Agreed, but there's quite a few mechanics like that and the majority still don't see play anyway. Undying sees no play, finks is the only persist that sees play and it doesn't cost mana to come back a 2nd time. Against removal they're good but when your opponent top decks goyf you've essentially got 2 chump blocks for quite a lot of mana. The ability to use embalm if you discard the card like lingering souls is the larger advantage in my opinion.

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Where's my fucking price drops on fetches you fucking kikes

How is Peer through Depths or Reach Through Mists on Gifts Storm?

>>52404839
Reach through mists is trash, peer though depths is okay. Don't know what I'd cut for it though.

>>52404859
I guess it can be played in place of thought scour/merchant scroll

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>>52404695
>Undying sees no play

This guy slaps your lifedie on the ass for 2, what do you do?

Hard mode: He also has vines of the vastwood, guttural response and blooming defense in hand.

>>52404962
sac my martyr for 18 life then play ghostly prison

I got your good counterspell right here

UU
Instant
Counter target spell with converted mana cost 3 or less. Make it happen wizards.

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>>52404962
Yes, let me cast my "better" Boros Charm.

I need tech
To put sorceries or instants from my hand to my library, preferably near the top. Red or blue.

>>52404982
>karn.jpg

>>52404982
Literally worse than mana leak

>>52404942
>>52404839
is this an okay storm list?
>>52404516
testing with monkey, not sure if it does anything sweet for the deck either than being a lotus petal. also 6 sb slots for madcap is totally worth, ritualing out an emperion is hilarious.

>>52405074
Can't be done in modern, See Beyone is the only card that does something like it but it's shit.

>>52404982
How about

UU
Instant
Counter target spell

>>52405084
Don't run monkey, and run 2 grapeshot. It's surprisingly versatile

>>52405104
Don't be stupid

>>52404982
Nah make it U/R and give them the option to let them take damage.

>>52404982
>>52405104
The day I found out force of will and counter spell weren't in modern was a really great day.

>>52405074
Miracle or shuffle in?
For the former, Telling Time or Mystic Speculation help, but Brainstorm/Top are not a part of this format
For the latter, See Beyond

>>52405113
Stupid because it would totally break Modern? Or stupid because WotC would never print it? Because only one of those is true. I think you know which.

>>52405104
Sounds pretty good, I'd run it

>>52405098
Would One with nothing and elixir of immortality with some good instant speed draw might do it?

>>52405128
FoW would be shit in modern anyway.

>>52405132
Stupid because it's too broken
I was being facetious

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>>52404599
nope :^)

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>>52404982
>>52405076

>>52405141
It wouldn't be shit, it would just be strictly played in combo decks.

>>52405132
I mean it's obviously the first since WotC already printed it. This is by far the easiest logic puzzle I've ever read.

>>52405159
>10,000 hours in ms paint

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>>52405151
>counterspell
>broken
>in Modern

>>52405117
Wtf no, that would be unplayable garbage

>>52405180
Can't tell if trolling or retarded
Are you retarded?

>>52405180
Fuck off blue keks

>>52405198
Counterspell wouldn't be broken in modern at all and we all know it. It's literally only good enough to see play in 1 legacy deck and you're a faggot.

>>52405171
>>52405076
Countering Karn isn't a problem though

>>52405198
>>52405204
What deck would Counterspell be broken in? It might've made Twin too good in the late game, but that shit's banned now.

>>52405204
>B-b-b-but maro the mean man didn't wait to kill my creature until it hit the battlefield ;_;

>>52405215
>>52405231
You all seem to be unaware of what facetious means

>>52405112
but muh turn1 barals
grapeshotting a board is sweet but I treat it more like a wincon piece than a versatile card. Grapeshotting a board, then flashishing it back later seems strong though as a strategy

>Deprive exists
>nobody even thinks of using it

Esper Delver should be able to take advantage of it. They don't really need more than 3 lands to function.

>>52405251
Why would you even want to play a turn 1 baral?

>>52405274
Esper Delver is shit though senpai

>>52405231
>>52405233
Silly blue keks, I'm glad your shittery is crippled. Couldn't care less what you think.

>>52405274
Deprive is a shit card which is why no deck uses it.

>>52405300
Not an argument

>>52405301
>I NEED MY DAZE BRAINSTORM AND FORCE OF WILL!!!

>>52405314
Literally just give me preordain instead of visions and I promise I won't complain for the next 3 years about how shit blue is.

>>52405274
>Turn 1 Delver
>Turn 2 Deprive
>Turn 3 Deprive
>Turn 4 Mana Leak
>Get WRECKED WHEN DELVER DIES
Pointless

>>52405314
I never said anything about any of those cards you retard. If you think having to pay 2u and pick up what is usually a shock early game for a worse counterspell is good then I have news for you.

>>52405313
>Implying I'm making one, instead of just enjoying schadenfreude while laughing extra hard because I know WotC isn't EVER going to print them

Wew lad.

>>52405340
*UU

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>>52405336
>not casting Mana Leak first

>>52405331
Blue is fine. Everytime they try to give it something, Blue ends up completely broken.
>Mental Misstep
>Treasure Cruise
>Dig Through Time
>Gitaxian Probe
>Jace the Mind Scuptor

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>>52405368
sick maymay friend

>>52405368
Remember when blue was broken, like 2 months ago, back in the day during the Gitaxian probe winter?

>>52405346
>implying anything happens for a reason

>>52405480
I'm confident in WotC's retardation. Blue is going to stay kek'd.

>>52405445
Ah, yes, Gitaxian Probe winter. Infect and Death's Shadow Zoo were perfect examples of blue's degeneracy. I'm glad they're gone.

>>52404962
>T2 this fag
>T3 Eldritch Evolution
>T4 swing with Siege Rhino

I'm still not convinced in the value of this card over just hitting a T3 CoCo in Elves.

>>52405548
You being glad they're gone doesn't mean they're degenerate

>>52405575
Oh it does

>>52405575
That was sarcasm, anon

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Help settle this argument for me

>>52405618
>Using 4chan as a Reddit emulator
This should be a bannable offense

>>52405618
Call him a faggot

>>52405555
It's a mono green stompy card, which wouldn't play siege.

Something more like:

>T1 Experiment 1
>T2 Geist, EX1 buffs to 2/2, swing for 4
>T3 Leatherback baloth, EX1 buffs to 3/3, swing for 5
>T4 another baloth, swing for 9, buff with aspect of hydra for 9, hit for 18, ded

>>52405074
Jtms, brainstorm, fetches+top

>>52404692
But those are great abilities, just neither yield to many great creatures. Really only Kitchen Finks comes to mind, but he is quite good. Embalm is only a bit worse seeing as you have to pay mana, but it dodges Graf Diggers cage which is useful, as well as can't be countered. The ability is strong, it's just needs to be included on powerful cards, which hopefully it will. For example, imagine a 4/4 vanilla for 2G with embalm for the cmc. That seems quite powerful, seeing as it's a decent sized threat that must be answered twice. Undying and Persist just lacked good creatures that had those abilities, or at least good enough for Modern anyway

Y'all should post your decks in this thread. Bonus points for sexy decks.

>>52405671
No one questions the mediocrity of the staple mono-green stompy creatures, anon.
It's more that it's a solid Undying option that could prevent Eldritch Evolution becoming an opponent's 1-3 with removal.

We're both autistic, but you need to chill it with shilling "new player, the deck"

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>>52405724
Yeah, never pimping a deck ever in my life after the twin ban.

>Implying I'm gonna go play fucking blue moon

>>52405745
Not a deck pic. Although I know your pain.

>>52405074

>i need to make miracles a deck in modern

Sorry anon, can't happen. play legacy, its already a deck there.

>>52405138

HAHAHAH

>>52405699

this

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>>52405727
>It's more that it's a solid Undying option that could prevent Eldritch Evolution becoming an opponent's 1-3 with removal.

By removing the targeted creature you're trying to sac which fizzles the whole thing, shiiet. Right. And Geist's undying would allow you to at least retain a 3/2 instead of getting completely wiped.

>"new player, the deck"

But I am new. Also, it doesn't get old btfoing $500+ decks with a $80 one, especially when they thoughtseize/inquisition the shit out of me but all my cards are so mediocre it doesn't even matter and I still blow right through them.

>>52405988
>By removing the targeted creature you're trying to sac which fizzles the whole thing, shiiet. Right.
That works for Polymorph, but EE's sack is part of the cost, it's already paid when you go to respond.

Is Aristocrats any good?

>>52405988
Other way around. The sacrifice is an additional cost. The sacrifice occurs before the spell is cast, and therefore before priority passes, so the spell can't fizzle by killing the sac target.
The issue is if the creature made by Eldritch Evolution gets hit by removal. At that point, a creature has been sac'd, EE is in exile, and a new creature has entered and gone to graveyard.

I'm tempted by EE, but I just don't think it's actually a good card. It's too vulnerable to interaction, so it's got to be used attempting something nasty if at all. It could power UGx (Sultai would be flavorful) by churning out a Simic Sky Swallower, and that includes options to protect against counterspells.

>>52406042
No

Has any hatebears plays tried beast within? It's an instant It can shrink goyf and shadow, answer walkers and adds to LD plan. Not to much worried about the token as it can't get through smiter,blade splicer,big thaila,brimaz. Flickerwisp kills it too. It seems like a good card to play as a 2 of. on the play with noble turn 2 seems really good. Yes,No?

>>52406116
There's a reason beast within is only run in meme decks

>>52406116
>playing an okay card in a crap deck
Go ahead, man. Can't make your Deck any worse.

>>52406116
It's a bad tempo play unless it's protecting your wombo combo.

>>52406132
Hatebears is solid tier 2 at the moment senpai, I'm really not 100% sure why but it is

>>52406132
Hatebears is fine. Why do people act like anything outside the top 5 is complete garbage?

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>>52405618
>gay sex with hats
>am I gay if I enjoy watching...
I had a sensible chuckle.

>>52404473
Wait, Twoo edition?

>>52406257
Because of you're not playing the best you won't win. Decks > pilot

>>52406719
But that's not true. There's a lot of variance in magic, and player skill matchups are a real factor. Playing better decks increase your chances of winning, but you can and will win with tier 2 and 3 decks as well, especially if you're well versed in how to pilot it, as opposed to hopping on the flavor-of-the-month bandwagon every time some new meme deck takes the cake.

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>>52405618
>That's exactly my point you bassoon
?

>>52406815
No. Shit like aristocrats will always auto lose to good proper decks. Tier 1 decks are always good across the board. Player skill doesn't compensate for shit decks

>>52406958
Fuck off no one is talking about bullshit like aristocrats. We're talking about actual modern decks that aren't tier 1, like g/w hatebears.

>>52406983
Bant spirit won a large tournament and it's still meme garbage

what decks do you recommend looking at as an interested EDH player?

>>52407037
Well what type of edh player are you? I'd suggest a deck with a bunch of silver bullets, maybe kiki chord.

>>52407014
You're saying things that don't mean anything.

>playing boros hatebears
>sram expertise into bust
>opponent scoops and leaves salty ass comments like "you drew perfectly with a tier 7 deck"

I seriously hope you bitches ass niggas don't do this.

>>52407014
Buy your Spell Quellers now, they're only going up in price from here on out.

>>52404473
>How do you guys feel about delirium?
Missed opportunity, could have been pushed further in value to actually incentivize an even spread of card types to help each format become more diverse, but WOTC played it safe and only made one playable standard card.
>What are the best ways to get delirium?
In set: sinister concoction
In Modern: faithless looting + fetchland
>How do you feel about Embalm? Seems pretty sweet in my opinion, I hope they don't just make the creatures with it trash to make up for the what seems to be pretty decent ability.
Pretty good ability, executed carefully and safely, shucks about the sorcery speed.
>Playing, hating, brewing, sideboarding, teching, memeing?
Brewing/Playing some homebrew graveyard garbage sittin around tier 2 power level, never know when a new print might push it.
>How do you guys feel about Wizards saying the format is becoming too much threat oriented and is gonna shift to answers?
well shit, if all they do is keep pushing creatures and jank ass combo with each new set, what do you expect? I was hoping Amonkhet was gonna be 'enchantment matters' or 'planeswalkers matters', but so far its looking like another 'hurr durr creatures matters' set. no shit creatures matter, creatures matter every set.
>Can there be a good counterspell that isn't just counterspell?
I guess that's to much to just print counterspell 5-8, more likely they'll just reprint counterspell some day.

>>52407066
A budgeted johnny

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>>52405074
>reprint memory lapse

>>52405724
how many points for blurry decks?

>>52405618
>10 days old troll account
Checks out. Now kys.

>>52407119
>Brewing/Playing some homebrew graveyard garbage sittin around tier 2 power level,

Post list and we will be the judge of that

>>52407191
Kiki chord or titan shift if you wanna win. Mono green devotion if you are on welfare.

>>52407195
Cute/10 for a cool deck and og fetchlands. Keep up the good work.

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>>52404473
Delirium is okay in Abzan

And by that I mean I lke Grim Flayer in it. Other then that no other good delirium card has a home yet. Transverse is pretty powerful. Whispers is odd. It's a great effect obviously but until you can consistently pop it turn 2 with delirium on it'll just be forgotten.

Grim Flayer's a house though and I'm pretty gay for how cool his art is and BG in general

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>>52404473

>How do you feel about delirium?
Love it. Sweet mechanic, adds a very cool puzzle minigame to a strategy. 4 cards seems like the perfect number to make it challenging but not impossible. One of the best mechanics ever.

>Best ways to get delirium?
If only they had the balls to make it cost 1 less Nyx Weaver would be a nice alternative to Dark Confidant for delirium variants of BGx
Gitaxian Probe was nice until it got banned the fuck out.
Self Mill like Thought Scour is generally the best way to unlock delirium. It got some support in Sultai colors during Shadows over Innistrad block but it still has some way to go. If enchantment creatures were evergreen like artifact creatures you'd have even more avenues for it too.
Maybe once frontier/Magic Origins-on becomes a format, where there's no Dark Confidant to steal the spotlight. (And assuming Nyx Weaver gets a standard reprint)

>How do you feel about Embalm? Seems sweet, plz no trash Wizards
Couldn't agree more. It's a sexier unearth though I like unearth too- is it still sorcery speed?

>Playing, hating, brewing etc
Simic ramp. So much value yet so much do-nothing. Slow as fuck. Sucks. Adapting.

>What are feels about Wiz shifting to answers?
Means good things for Sultai colors - since they are woefully in need of better answers. Green needs better fight cards, for one.
I think we shouldn't expect a Counterspell reprint but stuff like Undermine is more possible.

>Can there be a good counterspell that isn't just counterspell?
Yes. There is a gigantic gap between Cancel and Counterspell that begs to be filled with all kinds of mechanical perks/drawbacks and value trade-ofs. Would make for a healthier game than HURRDURR ALLPURPOSE TURN TWO ANSWER I'M GOOD AT THIS GAME GUYS.

>>52407733
>Love it. Sweet mechanic, adds a very cool puzzle minigame to a strategy. 4 cards seems like the perfect number to make it challenging but not impossible. One of the best mechanics ever.

I agree. I'm really sad it only had 2 sets to shine and they won't likely revisit it for awhile.

>>52407730
Ishkanah still seems like it could be good in a toolbox deck

>>52407733
never get the reason why thought scour is so taken into account...i don't like the idea of not having the control about what goes in my GY and what does not go....

>>52404473
>How do you guys feel about delirium?
It's a mechanic
>What are the best ways to get delirium?
Playing $30 uncommon artifacts and creatures that cycle for life
>How do you feel about Embalm? Seems pretty sweet in my opinion, I hope they don't just make the creatures with it trash to make up for the what seems to be pretty decent ability.
Limited mechanic
>Playing, hating, brewing, sideboarding, teching, memeing?
Playing Ponza
Hating Magic
Brewing Coffee
Sideboarding removal and lifegain
Teching nothing
Memeing XD
>How do you guys feel about Wizards saying the format is becoming too much threat oriented and is gonna shift to answers?
I agree, control is non-existent
>Can there be a good counterspell that isn't just counterspell?
No, the benchmark is set

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>>52404473
>How do you guys feel about Wizards saying the format is becoming too much threat oriented and is gonna shift to answers?

Why are WotC always perpetually retarded?

>shift format to battlecruiser windmill slam your big timmy creatures/walkers that have no answers
>*several months later*
>oh hey standard went into the other room and hung itself oops by the way we are gonna make answers not totally blow now because we listen to the players ;^)
>reddit circlejerks wotc as usual

Like fuck they always get the memo a year too late. I can't wait until 2020 when wotc finally get their pony express package that says "hey people actually don't like the gatewatch as much as you think they do"

>>52408185
But whenever they survey someone who likes the Gatewatch, they always get the answer that they like the Gatewatch.

>>52407969
It's super good at stabilising, but by the time you have delerium and can search her up you need to have already stabilised or you've lost. Just too expensive for modern.

>>52407730
I swear Grim Flayer is the only thing keeping me playing Abzan as opposed to DSJ

>>52407969
the problem with ishkanah is you have to compare it to lingering souls does what she does better most of the time.

>>52404962
Win on turn 4 because I'm actually playing a good deck.

>>52408207
Depends on many factors, but mostly, that they're cherry picking their surveys from stupid uninformed circlejerkers who don't purchase the product.

>>52409240
A big factor is also that most of the hate for these sorts of things is based on overuse. They do a survey and there's 2 types of people, those who like it and those who currently don't care but will end up annoyed at overuse. So by their surveys they see everyone either loves or doesn't care if they shove jace in every set and they design years of cards and marketing to reflect that.

>>52409256
That's actually a good point. I don't give the slightest fuck about the gatewatch, and I don't play standard. But I think that's fundamentally misrepresenting the issue, on wizard's side.

If the gatewatch was less... obtuse and was written by *good* writers, I bet a lot of people who avoid standard would jump in happily. But, much like containment boards, standard is designed to save normies from autists, modern is designed to save the wallets and so on.

>>52409315
I mean the gatewatch doesn't just exist in writing. There's 3 Nissa's currently in standard and based on art work we've seen there's going to be 4. Shit like Gideon and banned emrakul are pushed because wizards wants people to care about the story, it's no surprise when all the story cards break the format that people get mad at the story itself.

>>52409166
>he doesn't know green stomperoni can also win on turn 4

wew lad, you're gonna be real salty when you get dumpstered by such a deck.

>>52405368
None of that's broken you big baby.

>>52409523
>losing to such a shit deck

maybe if i had a rock for a brain, you delusional poorfag

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>>52409738
>mental misstep isn't broken
>"Hey, everyone, let's jam this automatic 4- of into every deck and of you dont have it just to deal with other people's missteps, then you're screwed!"

>>52410026
Keep crying bitch nigga.

>>52405132
They already broke modern with lightning bolt. Might as well go all the way. Bring back Dark Ritual while we're at it.

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>>52410075

Yes pls

>>52404715
Will never happend.

>>52405104
Or atleast

UU
Instant
Pay 2 life, Counter target spell

>>52405555

>I'm still not convinced in the value of this card over just hitting a T3 CoCo in Elves.

Did you know that Elves sometimes plays Eldritch Evolution as well? Elves decklists are quite malleable between Chord/Lead/Evolution.

What card made death shadow more playable? The card saw little to no play at modern's inception. I honestly believe that there are plenty of good cards that doesn't see play because the pros don't play them.

>>52410429

Memes and Temur Battle Rage+Become Immense.

>>52410007
>being this upset and salty

w e w

e

w

>>52410452
Do you think the deck will get hit by the ban hammer? Is it really a tier 0 deck?

>>52410429
The shift to more mid range decks mostly. Eldrazi tron, GBx, bant eldrazi, these decks don't have a large amount of reach in terms of direct damage or evasive threats and if your guys are just bigger than theirs they lose.
Some proto-decks of the original deck shadow aggro started seeing play when temur battle rage was printed.

>>52410048
Hmm, I'm not that anon, but I believe the card in question, "mental misstep", is banned. Which in that case would make you the crying bitch nigger.

>>52410462

They already indirectly banned a card from the deck by banning Gitaxian Probe. As a result you're actually see Death's Shadow lists run fewer copies of Temur Battle Rage and Become Immense.

I wanna get into magic. Is there a half-decent deck I can play with cute cards for £25 bucks? With a focus on being able to build it into something tasty later?

>>52410462

As to your other question not it's not really a tier 0 deck.

The deck is actually beatable by a number of other decks, it's not like Eldrazi Winter where you had 5 different flavour of Eldrazi decks and you were either playing that deck or trying to play a meta deck to beat it.

>>52410500
The only thing budget that actually builds up into a tier 1 deck is mono red burn.

Best tier 3 decks that can actually win are, burn, bogles, green stompy and 8 whack, but again only burn can be built into a high end deck.

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Looks like my skred deck got a new dragon, think the 4 damage is better on average compared to pro white and monstrous on stormbreath

>>52410563
Depends what exert is I guess

>>52410524
Green Stompy sounds neat.

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I'm thinking about making WB Soul Sisters, with Sram's Expertise and Lingering Souls. Which art of Lingering souls should I go for?
I hear MM3's card-material quality is lower than usual, is that true?
Any other tips for soul sisters?

>>52410570
It's basically "when x attacks you can choose to y as well, if you do it doesn't untap during your next untap step".

There's an article up on dailymtg. Nothing amazingly juicy except that cycling and giant spider are back.

>>52410500

Mono G Budget Elves is actually decent and builds into a good Tier 2 deck. Tempered Steel Affinity running the classic dudes like Frogmites and so forth will eventually build you up into the real Affinity deck.

I actually have both decks and play them infrequently enough. I much prefer to play Elves though because personally speaking Affinity does get stale after a while for me.

>>52410579

I like the old art for Lingering Souls but that's just me because I just need to have the old art for everything, including basic lands. My basic lands need to have words on them or tap symbols. But that being said the MM3 art for Lingering Souls isn't bad, most of the art for MM3 is actually pretty solid. As for card stock quality i haven't noticed any difference.

>>52410598
>>52410500

I should clarify that when I said that i have both decks I do mean that i have the non-budget versions of both decks.

Thinking of buying UW Emeria to get into Modern, seems pretty cheap after MM2017.

How far below the meta is it? Am I just going to get stomped every game at my moderately competitive LGS?

4 Shambling Vents
2 Plains
2 Swamp
1 Mountain
1 Sacred Foundry
1 Blood Crypt
2 Godless Shrine
4 Marsh Flats
4 Bloodstained Mire
3 Concealed Courtyard

4 Wall of Omens
1 Emrakul, the Aeons Torn

4 Lingering Souls

4 Fatal Push
2 Path to Exile
2 Blessed Alliance
2 Kolaghan's Command
2 Damnation

4 Inquisition of Kozilek
2 Thoughtseize

2 Gideon, Ally of Zendikar
3 Nahiri, the Harbinger
4 Liliana of the Veil

Back playing modern after being gone a year or so. How does this look?

>>52410810
Looks gay. You fucking faggot.

>>52410810
Needs bolt

Gonna get into modern

Probably gonna go with Storm for my first modern deck

Is storm in any real danger of being hit by bans in the near future?

>>52404473
I seriously hope you guys don't do this

>>52410747

It's still a reasonable deck against an aggro field but the list has sort of changed to go into Jeskai colours(UWR) with an additional chance of winning via a "splintertwin" combo with Saheeli Rai and Sun Titan/Felidar Guardian. You might think that the combo is a little cute except this "standard power level" combo showed up in a Modern GP in Brisbane and had a placing in top 32.

As for far below the meta it is most definitely far below the meta and forgotten about but that should not discourage you from playing the deck. Nobody knew what the fuck Skred or Ad Nauseam was for ages and now they're oddly enough relevant meta decks in tier 2 level.

>>52410870

Why would he need bolt when it can't kill a Death's Shadow anon?

>>52410879
Maro hates storm so if storm is ever good enjoy being gutted

>>52410883
I saw the Jeskia "Saheelia" builds and was interested, but man, it makes the manabase so expensive.

Maybe I trying to stick to a budget in competitive Modern is just foolhardy.

>>52410879
It won't get any bans, but it does get shiny new hate printed every single block even though anyone can choose to beat storm games 2 and 3 already anyway.

>>52410934
just drop 5 grand on all the modern staples to get them out of the way

>>52410934
>Maybe I trying to stick to a budget in competitive Modern is just foolhardy.
Someone needs a dose of chinamen fakes

>>52410934

You can actually still play the older U/W controlling lists there isn't anything really wrong with it just you have to put in a bit more work to get your wins. Proxy up a list online and play the deck out and get a good feel for it. If you like the play style and think you know the lines of play to beating other decks then sure build it up. Not like you can't switch around to Jeskai/Azorius builds when you felt like it anyway after a while. Modern is a format that really rewards a person that knows their deck and metagame very well.

For instance I personally play a crapload of Elves so with Eldrazi Tron decks and Walking Ballista around I've switched to playing with Mark of Asylums in the board that Eldrazi Tron have trouble dealing with, it has the double factor of also negating damage based sweepers like Pyroclasm and Anger of the Gods.

>>52410563
it's time for retirement for my stormbreath dragon in r/g ponza too

>>52411028
LE EPIC CHINAMEN MEME HAHAAH!

CAN'T AFFORD MODERN? JUST PAY THE CHINAMEN HAHAHA

DON'T LIKE WIZARDS? JUST PAY THE CHINAMEN HAHAHA

I JUST LOVE CHINAMEN CARDS

>>52410934

There's been a couple of U/W Emeria lists taking TCG player states tournaments in top 8 so the deck has potential. I mean a fucking SEISMIC SWANS deck took 1st place as well with the entire deck price being double digits. So like I said in >>52411060 that Modern is a format that really rewards a person that knows their deck and metagame very well.

>>52411095
calm the fuck down maro

>>52411095
>implying i dont buy them for 2$ then sell them to retards who pay slightly less than what the real ones are worth

>>52410457
>someone tells you that your deck is shit and should play something different
>i-if i say that he's salty i will somehow save the little dignity left

whatever floats your boat, bucko. Enjoy your (You) and going 0-5 at FNM

>>52411115
my niega

Lads.

How do we stop Maro?

>>52411234
Buy into Yugioh.

>>52411162
>being this salty, upset and ignorant

Absolutely wewing. Stompy reks people because they're prepared for their meta circle jerk and it's high speed, it can take out tron.

Stay bad and mad tho.

>>52411234
BUY LE CHINAMEN

>>52409342
Its just such a boring story though in addition to having pushed cards. Not like Magics ever had great stories maybe OG Ravnica and Time Spiral were pretty good but the Gatewatch shit is just Power Rangers but less interesting because its on cards.

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>>52411115
>being a scumbag and a loser
Wee

>>52411115
How do people fall for this? Chinamen fakes are so blatantly obvious when unsleeved that id just rip it in half if someone was trying to con me. The quality on Chinamen fakes is fucking awful.

>>52411274
There's no need to be mad and make such a ruckus out of it, poorfag. Burn, Affinity, Merfolk and basically any aggro deck also beat Tron and are miles better than Stompy each and everyone of them. Why do you think Stompy's price is always double digits and it never places well in any tournament although meme decks are always popping up?

Remember that it's your choice to stay bad at the game by actively playing a shit deck. Enjoy your consolation packs, Timmy

>>52411095
t. Jund player

>>52411402
TL;DR

>>52411414
Not the guy you replied to but cant people just like owning cards? I have a huge collection of Modern and Legacy staples. I own every fetch and shockland and some foils of them all original shocks too. I own a pimped out Scapeshift deck, two pimped Burn decks and a UR Storm deck for Modern. I also have a very expensive Commander deck. I just like owning the real cards a lot of them are foils too.

>>52411473
You can't talk sense into poor people.

>>52410579
i got my innistrad art, the classic is hotter than the newer ones

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anyone else

/PAYINGLECHINAMAN/ here?

>>52411473
Wow that's nice and all, but why would I spend money on cardboard to support my hobby? It makes no sense when I can just buy from the chinamen and get shitty cards that hurt the game.

>>52411375
I had someone who is only into a/b/u shit look at my chinaman birds of paradise and made me a cash offer because it was "in excellent condition".

They pass loupe, bend, water, light tests. They'll even pass rip tests.

>>52411583
>thay pass loupe
>they pass bend
>they pass rip
Wrong

>>52411560
>hurt the game.
+1 sheckel added to your star of David games account

>>52411616
+0 fake chinese dollars added to your chinamen account

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>>52411583

>>52411473
>but cant people just like being a retard
yes but that does not mean is something good

>>52411473
I also like owning foils, in fact I have both Jeskai Nahiri and Affinity foiled out with Expeditions, Inventions, and promos including Cryptic and Bolt, yet I couldn't care less about someone playing with glorified proxies.

>>52411525
>I made ~2k$ in savings
>This somehow makes me poorer

How do you remember to breathe? You probably don't own shit. If you were "rich" you'd know you get to that point by making savings and not burning money.

>>52411699
>Spending money on things you enjoy is retarded
Could you imagine being this poor? Lmao

>>52411560
I guess so. I just buy from CardKingdom/SCG unironically and LGS if they have the cards I need. I enjoy having the cards I do. Its like owning a piece of magic history. Especially the old shocklands I miss that original wording and they'll never be printed with that art, wording and border ever again.

>>52411612
There's no need to be buttflustered, bucko. After all it was you the one who managed his money poorly.

>>52411746
>I'm too poor to afford things
Damn, life must be rough.

>>52411699
>spending money on something I enjoy is retarded
Ok
>>52411711
I dont care if people use proxies and acknowledge them. If someone wants to play proxy legacy or modern im all for it.

>>52411764
>buying things you enjoy is managing money poorly
Could you imagine being so poor that you actually have to buy fake cards that look like shit? It's honestly just pathetic, I truly pity you

>>52411753
>Being rich is all about throwing money mindlessly, believe me guys, for I am rich!

Poorfag playing pretend spotted

>>52411753
>>52411777

>Spending a fortune on cardboard rectangles instead of the economically superior option
Hey wolf of wall street, you don't need to come to lie on the internet about your fortune

Why aren't Slivers played?

>>52411764
Fakes don't pass any of those tests retard and spending a little money on a hobby I enjoy isn't poor money management, especially when I've made money on all of my decks

stay poor

>>52411793
This. Its like someone going up to a man with a real Rolex watch and saying "WTF man dont you know you could just buy from epic chinamen for a fake Rolex that looks the same?! Have fun wasting your money while I enjoy my chinamen Rolex :^)"

>>52411801
>a few thousand dollars
>a fortune
I can smell your mobile home from here lmao

>>52411793
>>52411777
>>52411753
What's with all these poorfags pretending they're rich or something? I bet they don't even own a playset of Snapcasters, let alone Goyfs or Lillys

>>52411821
You probably haven't made any money off the game at all. Why do you lie to strangers on the Internet anon? I bet you're actually the guy shilling Stompy

Want to try Modern, is Kiki Chord a decent deck? Already have some cards for it

How important is a the standard fetch+shock manabase?
Where can I buy from the chinamen?

>>52411795
Yeah you're pathetic. Spending a few grand on some mtg cards is hardly blowing money mindlessly. I've probably spent more money at the club in 1 night than your entire collection is worth. But stay poor, really. I mean, come on a couple bottles of Cristal costs as much as a modern deck, now that is kind of a waste of money, but I do it anyways cause I'm not poor like you.

>>52411839
>having 800 dollars worth of cardboard means you're not poor
Holy shit lmao

>>52411875
So how much money did your dead grandfather leave you?

>>52411875
Cristal, seriously? Are you from 2005? People pretending to be rich at da club have mostly moved on to other overpriced vices.

>>52411815
Because muscle sliver isn't modern legal.
If it was bant slivers would be an absolute cluster fuck nuts deck

>>52411863
Literally everyone who bought a deck a long time ago made money on the deck you stupid faggot.

>>52411875
Post pics of your collection timestamped. I wanna laugh at you backpedaling when you can't post it because the "few grand" you claimed to spend on cardboard and coke is actually more than you win in a year.

>>52411875
>look at me faggot; paying hundreds for cardboard rectangles is not stupid
>why? because I'm rich and I say it so
You are not only a liar, but also don't have any real argument except "stay poor"
stop the projecting

>>52411910
But you're a Timmy newfag playing pretend with strangers on the internet, how did you buy your decks years ago if you weren't around even for the last Modern Masters?

>>52411898
Just enough to put me through Princeton
>>52411899
>Y-you're poor cause you don't spend money on drugs!
Thanks

>>52411894
So you don't actually have them, right? Figured as much. Stay poor, bucko :^)

>>52411943
>>52411916
Did you seriously skip this post on purpose, Prince Anon? C'mon, quit the mysticism and show us poorfag plebs your collection!

>>52411916
I'm in Colorado skiing right now
>>52411924
Poor people's opinions don't matter
>>52411939
Yours either.

Don't care if you don't believe me, I really don't, there's also no collection of mtg cards someone could show me that would make me think they're rich. I'm going to go hit the slopes for a bit while you fags bicker about buying fake cardboard from China men and who can be the poorest. Say whatever you want, you'll always know that you're poor.

Daily reminder that the only people that get mad at fakes are the ones that had to cut money from somewhere else in order to spend it on cardboard.

>>52411943
>Just enough to put me through Princeton
Feels good living a simple life while $75,000 is growing in my mutual fund.

Meanwhile kids like you splurge and go bankrupt in 5 years.

>>52411999
>I'm in Colorado skiing right now

Oooh, I see, that's real unfortunate anon. Why did I have the feeling that this would happen :^)

>there's also no collection of mtg cards someone could show me that would make me think they're rich.

Then why do you call people poor for not having their collection? Are you backpedaling here because you got figured out and have to save face?

>>52411999
>I can't prove anything and I don't care if you believe me
>Please Believe me anons!!!!!!!

>>52411939
>You haven't made money on the game
>actually if you bought a deck a while ago you've made money
>t-t-timmy f-f-faggot y-y-you weren't even around then
Stay mad that I made money with my hobby while you buy low quality china fakes fag lmao

>>52412134
Again, I repeat my statement: You have made zero (0) money with this game. Nothing. Zilch.

Jesus, modern is such a shit show.

>>52412173
then GTFO, nobody wants you here either faggot

>>52412155
And I repeat mine you fucking autist

If you've had a deck since early modern days you've made money.

>>52412242
Yeah, but since that's clearly not your case you couldn't have possible earned money. Wanna know how I know you're playing pretend like the faggots above?

>>52412173
>standard is full of literal children
>modern is a shit show of people who think they're important
>EDH is clueless "brewmasters" and "deckbuilders" so far out of touch with MtG and life that they live in gleeful bliss unless Blue is involved
>pauper is 25% people looking for cheap janky brews, 25% people who want to play legacy without legacy prices, and 50% genuine poorfags who bitch at anything over $2/card
>frontier is a delusional meme and very sugoi, desu at that
>legacy is people who have given up on everything except MtG

The only person who has fun at my store is the pretzel vendor.

>>52412275
>anyone who bought Liliana before she was 100 dollars is a liar!
>b-buy my china man please
Holy shit what a joke

>>52412279
>pauper is 50% genuine poorfags who bitch at anything over $2/card

Where does this belief come from? People played shit like foiled Daze and Delver, full foil Burn and Tron and shit like Oubliette in MBC before Eternal Masters or MM2 were ever a thing. Poorfags are just a vocal minority.

>>52412275
>you're just playing pretend
>you haven't actually made money
Nice argument bucko, it's nice to see you projecting this hard when you realize you're wrong

kys I'll post my decks When I get home to prove your faggot ass wrong

>>52412342
>kys I'll post my decks When I get home from school to prove your faggot ass wrong

fixed.
thank me later

Can we just start the new thread now and pretend this shitfest never happened?

>>52412328
You still haven't posted your collection, bucko. Ironic greentext isn't helping your cause either.

Hint: you don't need to go all the way back to 2011 to make money when somethig as recent as 2015-2016 could earn you good cash. Step up your pretend game for the next thread, timmy

>>52411583

They don't pass rip tests because the internal colour is black and not blue.

>>52412342
Which, of course, you won't do. Maybe a couple of MM17 pulls, but that hardly qualifies. Also make sure to timestamp your sorry mess of bulk rares, poorfag.

>>52412512
I'm not even a guy with expensive decks, but I did buy my snaps and lilis and fetches for 20 dollars, seriously anyone playing modern since khans probably has way more valuable decks now

Why is preordain banned?
It's barely better than serum visions.

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>>52411902
You mean another one?

>>52412813
Blue isn't allowed to be good.
But Sleight of Hand, digging for 5, in Green? Perfect, t. Design team.

>>52411902

You have Predatory Sliver and Sinew Sliver

http://www.cracked.com/personal-experiences-2472-i-made-obscene-money-forging-magic-gathering-cards.html

>>52412907
>cracked
wew lad

why not just link blacked.com?

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>>52412907
If you buy an ancestral recall from a shady guy at a tourney for a discounted price you're a fucking retard and deserve to lose your money.

>>52412977
How do you know he's shady?

>>52412907
"""""richfags""""" on suicide watch

>>52412907
I thought the part with the flashlight was really clever.

Though, how does one react when a tourney guy rips your fake in half? Do you bail with all your fake cards and money before anyone can grab you?

>tfw just ordered some proxy cards to spite the smug retards in this thread

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i'm pretty disappointed with the way they formatted dusk/dawn. here are some alternate versions i made.

>>52413049
You never get to play in the first place cause when you hand your deck to the judges to register they put it in the trash

>>52413087
woah, what? i just posted this in the other thread...

>>52413096
>caring about playing a card game tournament

>>52413118
are you me?

>>52413125
Why else would you buy cards you immense retard

>>52412387
There something wrong with attending uni?

You probably think so since you're too poor to afford q children's card game

Stay mad poorfag

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>>52413147
>>52413118
>>52413087
All me

>>52413149
>buying cards

>>52413147
if you made those, then yes. we are the same person.

i literally just went to my psychiatrist yesterday and now i'm starting to feel crazy again. :/ what a waste of money.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1XWIBDVkGUY
>KMC Hyper Mats are literally unusable without breaking
>still gives them a C grade
What did he mean by this?

>>52413724
What's wrong with mic hyper mats? I like them myself

>>52411902
Pretty sure it's the shroud sliver that is needed

>>52413736
Newer runs of Hyper mattes are noticeably lower in quality than the old ones. I bought some a few months back and I had to replace at least one sleeve after every game. Switched to Dragon Shield Mattes after that and never looked back.

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>>52404473
>Living End will never be good

This is true but the spoiler of Archfiend by itself
opens the door to a deadshot-less Living Moon build allowing for an easier inclusion of Faerie Macabre. It's an exciting time to be alive.

>>52413872
I bought a shit load back in like 2014, still got like 20 decks worth of sleeves so I guess I'm okay, Dragon shield are great too though

>>52410429
Fatal Push

>>52413985
>Living End will never be good

Literally who finds decks like this even fun?

>cycle
>cycle
>cylce
>cycle
>cast Violent Outburst
>such skill much wow

Even Burn looks interesting compared to that.

>>52411902

slivers is already a deck, just add coco and vial

Thing is it folds to jund because it doesn't make card advantage until it gets to 4 mana and then the slivers you get will be pretty small, just hope for nuts manaweft vial draws

>>52414740
You've obviously never played it

>>52405274
>Esper Delver

Dude just stop

>>52405314
>Muh strawman

Daze would be great for Modern.

>>52414740
>doge memes
End your life

>>52414740
>doge memes
Confirmed: only hotheads hate Living End

Are there any decent decks that use teysa. I saw one abzan melira coco one

Are matte sleeves better than regular ones?

>>52414740
>cycle
>cycle
>holy fuck you're about to kill me on turn 3
>cascade into living end for a glorified fucking fog
>do I keep cycling to draw more cards?
>do I hard cast vanilla 5 drops to keep pressure on him?
>grind time!

OR


>cycle
>cycle
>cycle
>cycle
>cascade into LE
>oh you had a hand full of removal and my first cascade wasn't enough to win
>HERE COMES THE GRIND
the deck only plays solitaire when you have early fulminators and your opponent kept a 1 lander or some shit.

Having to win via the combat step with vanilla 3/4s means there's an incredible number of ways for your opponent to interact and throw off your game plan.

>>52405618
MODS MODS MODS

>>52410393
What's your crazy? let /mtg/ help. i can fix most problems that aren't physical.

>>52414740
I could bet my collection that you're a drooling Jundfag who thinks his deck takes any amount of skill and I'm sure I wouldn't lose it.

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>>52415631
Are you implying living end is difficult to play?

>>52415718
a decent starter deck
loses horribly against things without greedy mana and decent speed

hopefully WotC won't be dumb and start printing cards for it

>>52415315
I use Dragon Shield and for those the matte ones are definitely easier to shuffle.

>>52415315

Matte sleeves just mean that cards are easier to see and read since you won't have glare.

Usually mattes have textured backs, which make them easier to shuffle since they don't tend to stick together as much as flat ones

>>52415853

I wouldn't worry, they seem to like land destruction even less than counterspells

>>52414933
>Daze would be great for Modern
Might help make delver a rea thing. I dig it.

>>52404473
Teach me how to Gruul Zoo, /tg/.

>>52416025
Are you poor?
Play Naya.

>>52416025
Step 1: Play Burning-Tree Emissary
Step 2: Reckless Bushwhacker

>>52416055
I'm under the impression Gruul Zoo is better because White doesn't offer enough for the deck to justify the third color.

>>52416096
Das a good play, mayne.

>>52416118
>White doesn't offer enough for the deck to justify the third color.
You need plains for Nacatl so you might as well pack some paths and maybe stony silences in your side.

>>52416025
Step 1. Add Lightning Bolt.
Step 2. Add Wild Nacatl.
Step 3. Add Goblin Guide.
Step 4. Add Tarmogoyf.

>>52416186
>playing 1 mana 3/3s when you could play 1 mana 12/12s
It's like you're just begging to get cucked

>>52416248
>being a fotm cucker who was even dumb enough to buy four lilis because the "investment value" will pay off down the road

>>52416268
I've been running deaths shadow zoo since Khans fuccboi

>>52416248
>playing modern
I've got some bad news anon.

>>52415819
More than any flavor of GBx, yes. As is any deck in the format.

>>52416025
>>52416055
>>52416096
>>52416118
>>52416182
>>52416186
Is the following list good?

4 Kird Ape
4 Wild Nacatl
4 Loam Lion
4 Experiment One
4 Flinthoof Boar
4 Burning-Tree Emissary
4 Reckless Bushwhacker

4 Lightning Bolt
4 Rancor
4 Path to Exile

4 Stomping Ground
4 Temple Garden
4 Wooded Foothills
4 Windswept Heath
4 Arid Mesa

>>52416946
Less temple gardens more sacred foundry imo. Also Atarka's Command is the bees knees in here

>>52416946

looks pretty good anon
solid budget naya zoo imo

cut your paths and go straight aggro and play atarkas command, keep your limited and matchup specific hard removal in the sideboard imo

>>52416946
Cut down couple of shocks for basics and more fetches.

I'd suggest this:

2 Stomping Ground
1 Temple Garden
1 Sacred Foundry
1 Mountain
1 Forest
1 Plains
4 Wooded Foothills
4 Windswept Heath
4 Arid Mesa

>>52417002

Also imo cut loam lion and go narnam renegade

Makes your colors smoother, you never need t1 white, you're still cracking fetches for the trigger, deathtouch is often relevant, and it triggers experiment one on its own anyways

>>52417042
>more fetches
>when he has max fetches in color

I'm retarded

>It's possible to play lots of colours so my deck should run at least 3 n_n
I don't feel even the slightest remorse over the 4 Blood Moons I mainboard.

>>52417129
>should run 3 colors

Nigger, who told you that?

>>52417129
Ban 8th and 9th edition.

>>52417176
And Mox opal and ssg.

Grizzly bear format here we come

>>52417129
Blood moon is chemotherapy

It's fucking terrible for the format, but also necessary so it doesn't die of cancer

>>52417631
>implying moon and bridge don't deserve a ban
You can't even """ justify""" bridge bring in the format. Its an unfair card that promotes uninteractive magic

>>52417167
Every Burn player.

>Hey they printed Boros Charm, we should all run white now!
>Hey they printed Atarka's Command, we should all run green now!

>>52417686
You forgot bump in the night.
Burn is a 4 color deck senpai

>>52417662
I'll be glad when these Khan's midrange babbies grow the fuck up. Control, Prison, and Land Destruction are all valid strategies with their own strengths and weaknesses. I'm sorry you don't want to sideboard disenchant/naturalize.

>>52417662

>Ensnaring Bridge
>banned
>in a format with hefty amounts of artifact/permanent removal

You wot m8

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Time to open those wallets again Jundfags

>>52418058
Source pls

>>52418058
These will be cheaper than regular ones.

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Damn these are ugly

>>52418286
>>52418058
These look okay. I really don't like the pseudo hieroglyphics with the silly script for the name of the card.

>>52418286
I really like the art. Shame about the border

>they're real
https://twitter.com/TrickMTG/status/846850855626145792

Gross.

>>52418286

Source you fucking cuck

>>52418886
>>52418842
There ya go kiddo.

>>52418901

Yeah thanks

>>52418842
This looks better than the images

>>52418058
>>52418286
This shit looks like it was taken straight from Yugioh.

Not even kidding.

BONUS POINTS for being fucking ugly as sin.

Apparently also, chain lightning, consecrated sphinx, counterspell, counterbalance and wrath

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Holy fuck these new expeditions look like absolute fucking garbage

>>52419033
Yeah these are the worst looking magic cards I have ever seen, and I've seen new magic cards

WHOS fucking idea was this? Who gave these things the green light?

>>52419322

New bread
>>52419322
>>52419322

>>52418058
>>52418286
>>52418842
I do like that they are gold. Wonder if they'll make all masterpiece cards gold going forward.

Also, is it just the lighting or does Cryptic Command kinda look white-blue?