>virgin neckbeard grognards still complaining about AoS >it's

I think that the issue is that it is still one of the worst designed games on the market. You are better off playing Malifaux or something if you want fantasy skirmish.

>>52402013
(you)

>>52402013

It's not the GAME that's the problem, it's the fact that they tore apart, shit on, and burned 20+ YEARS of fluff to replace it with stapled-together, makeshift, shoddy garbage held together by glue and safety pins!!!

I'd be fine with Sigmar if they didn't replace the lore.

I mean they changed the faction names for God's sake. For what? Slightly better copyright milking? Please. They threw out the baby with the bath water and lost many fans for it.

>>52402050

>playing a card game that pretends to be a miniatures game

nope.

>children's game
>surprised it sells better
Rofl

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>>52402013
>it's got models that have on average objectively more detail to them than WHFB models
>more detail makes a better design

Why am I replying to bait?

I loved the Old World and miss it for the setting

Also the rules are watered down garbage and the new minis look too 40k

These are all legit complaints

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>>52402013
>op

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>>52402013
because now, parents can buy miniatures for their five year olds

>>52402136

But... it's their IP and can do with it what they want...

>>52402013
>trolls still make this obvious bait thread for all the fantasy grongards
>Its been 2 years now
>the grongards still come because they're easily triggered man babbys
>still bitching about how they raped the old word even though all the minis and rules books and fluff are still there
holy shit, Another bait thread. I look forward to seeing 18 of these a day for 40k 8th edition

>>52403687

That's not in dispute. What anon was complaining about was that they did something shitty, not whether they're allowed to do something shitty.

>>52402013
>why don't you like THING? It just killed OTHER THING you liked and drew more people to the fanbase of THING?

Because I liked WHFB and happily suffered my army not getting updates because I enjoyed the lore and playing the game. Now, my army will never be updated and eventually people will move on to a game with support and I will not be able to do that.

>>52402520
You mean like AoS with its CCG esque rules collection? I agree, it isn't anything anyone should play.

>>52402013
>>it's objectively got better rules balance than WHFB with nothing that's borderline useless particularly thanks to the General's Handbook
Black Knights

>>52403830

But anon, what I don't get is people getting mad about what happens to their make believe universe.

>>52402013
>>it's objectively selling better than WHFB was during its last ten years
Proofs?
>>it's objectively got better rules balance
That's why most of armies are useless against new Battletomes?

I spent $350 on various Tomb Kings stuff from 2012 to 2014 when End Times started (at which point I heard rumours of the new edition and barely held off on buying Arkhan). I will never stop being salty.

>>52404967
You will receive no proof as none exists.

GW's general financial uptick the last 18 months has come from them finally caving on 40K and specialist games releases they've sat on for decades coupled with them reengaging with their customers online.

AoS has likely recovered somewhat from the catastrophe of it's release, as the battered wives that are GW's customer base have gone crawling back to play the only fantasy game they're allowed to in their local GW store.

That's hard to understand in parts of the world which have solid networks of FLGS. Certainly the UK lacks such networks and GW is the only game in town if you don't want to pay an entry fee (of a couple of quid) at a local gaming club.

>>52404967
>Proofs?
Games workshop is a public trade whatever you call it company, you can find the fucking stats on you're own
last ten years

>That's why most of armies are useless against new Battletomes?
You can make a killer list from any book and with any combination of units avaloble in the game, my fucking night goblins on their own DESTROY armies from the new books

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>>52402013

>>52405144
>Games workshop is a public trade whatever you call it company, you can find the fucking stats on you're own
I still didn't see any numbers about WHFB and AoS sales directly.
>You can make a killer list from any book and with any combination of units avaloble in the game,
Yeah say it to FEC, or to vanilla Greenskins, or Khorne Mortals, or Fireslayers, or Seraphons (I could also mentioned all old armies, but since they didn't get their battletomes it would incorrect).
>with any combination of units avaloble in the game,
>what Allegiance system are
too fat

Hi. I was not an early adapter to AoS, but I've been playing for the past year or so. . .

>>52403894
>Because I liked WHFB and happily suffered my army not getting updates because I enjoyed the lore and playing the game. Now, my army will never be updated and eventually people will move on to a game with support and I will not be able to do that.

^ This is a valid complaint. Sure, we can pretend this is only one guy with an army so obscure that no one cares (like Brayherds), but the truth is a lot of people's favorite armies got burned in varying degrees. Vlad Von Carstein? Brettonians? That was all GOOD stuff that was simply wasted for no reason at all, except maybe because GW couldn't make any money off Legacy players. IMO, they could with a realmgate to the past and a series of small releases on FW.

>>>it's objectively got better rules balance than WHFB with nothing that's borderline useless particularly thanks to the General's Handbook

I think it would be closer to say it objectively has better rules formatting, so you don't have to endlessly flip through the BRB.

>That's why most of armies are useless against new Battletomes?

Battletomes and the warscroll battalions found in them are imbalanced. Even with point values.

As for points themselves, they don't really balance anything. The points "retard imbalance," but do nothing to prevent it altogether. Watching the ITC tournaments, you might as well play Open play, because at a certain level the points do nothing.

>I spent $350 on various Tomb Kings stuff from 2012 to 2014 when End Times started (at which point I heard rumours of the new edition and barely held off on buying Arkhan). I will never stop being salty.

And yet Tomb Kings were still among the top 5 competitive armies at LVO.

>>52405125
>AoS has likely recovered somewhat from the catastrophe of it's release, as the battered wives that are GW's customer base have gone crawling back to play the only fantasy game they're allowed to in their local GW store.


>as the battered wives that are GW's customer base have gone crawling back to play the only fantasy game they're allowed to in their local GW store.

Most of the participants are not only brand-new to AoS, but to tabletop gaming in-general.

The problem is that these players are under the delusion that GW's design team has balanced the game like an RTS or turn-based computer game.

Let me repeat that: These players are under the delusion that GW's design team has balanced the game like an RTS or turn-based computer game.

Maintaining the illusion of it keeps people playing.

>>52405144
>You can make a killer list from any book and with any combination of units avaloble in the game, my fucking night goblins on their own DESTROY armies from the new books

As long as your opponent isn't actually reading the new books.

You can be a GW shill, just try not to be so obvious about it next time, okay?

>>52405670
Not shilling at all, because it is what it is and a moron could figure that out

>>52405800
A moron could figure out you're just saying "nuh-uh" lacking any specifics at all along with "muh fucking night goblins. . ."

>>52405125

>That's hard to understand in parts of the world which have solid networks of FLGS.
Or in parts of the world where tables exist. Why do you need to go to a store to play?

>>52402013
AoS can burn in hell along with anyone who supports it.

>>52406703
t. empire cuck

>>52406895
>b-but it's supposed to be about human peasants defending their homes
>literally can't play anything but stormcasts or khorne in AoS, might as well cram my 80 empire halbediers up my ass
>GW burned every trace of the lore, ITS ALL DEAD!!!

>>52406955
>>52406955
>>b-but it's supposed to be about human peasants defending their homes
>>literally can't play anything but stormcasts or khorne in AoS, might as well cram my 80 empire halbediers up my ass

Dubs of truth.
With current shooting meta Empire sucks

>>52406955
>literally can't play anything
Why are Empire players such fucking bitches?

>>52402013
>it's objectively selling better than WHFB was during its last ten years
Lel no, WHFB was the second most sold wargame until 2013.

>>52407328
Why AoS defenders always sounds like Ultramarines fanboys?

>>52407364
>Ultramarines
What did the butthurt IG player losing his fantasy counterpart mean with this?

>>52407408
>butthurt IG player
Wrong, tau and AdMech pleayer

>>52407455
>being this cancerous
Jesus fuck, I wish you were an IG player.

>>52407484
>SMkid calls someone cancerous

>>52402013
>>it's objectively selling better than WHFB was during its last ten years

remember, this is /tg/, "it's popular therefor it sucks" is almost as near and dear a saying to the posters here's hearts as "stop liking what I don't like" so that probably counts as a point against AoS here

>>52406081
You dont need a Store to play, but apart from the guys i met there i know noone with whom to play

>>52407579
>I meet people that I can play with
>in a place where I can't play what I want
>I can talk to these people
Surely you could figure this out.

>>52405125
>That's hard to understand in parts of the world which have solid networks of FLGS. Certainly the UK lacks such networks and GW is the only game in town if you don't want to pay an entry fee (of a couple of quid) at a local gaming club.
About that, I'm not a brit but the comeback of LFGSs and the GW stores turning to one-man caves over the last decade probably screwed GW quite a lot. In LFGS GW has a lot of competitors while in their own stores they have none. So if the local wargaming community gathers in a non-GW store rather than a GW store, they likely will pick a non-GW game.

>>52403687
Yes. It's also my money and my keyboard, and I can do what I want with both. Not spend it on AoS, and complain, respectively.

>>52402013
I don't see anyone asking for the AoS IP anon...

It's fucking dogshit and the models are overdesigned garbage that lack any character.

>>52406081
Because the "average" gamer in the UK lives in a rabbit hutch sized home/flat and has no space to set up a table to play on they need an outside venue.

Obviously exceptions are many and there are gaming clubs as an alternative to gaming stores, but G-dubs are the "only" option for some gamers who are too fucking penny pinching to pay club fees.

People are still mad at losing their shitty awful WHFB?

Those people need to move the fuck on and stop injecting salt and vinegar into their morning cereal the fucking losers.

>>52409688
This.

Even by european standards brits live in tiny hovels. No wonder they can't have a gaming table.

>>52405580
>so you don't have to endlessly flip through the BRB.
Yes, because now instead of some unified table of special rules, EACH unit have few "unique" special rules on it's warscroll.

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>>52404294

People care about things (especially things that have been part of their lives for a long time). More news at 11.

Btw, Do you happen to question why people cry at the movies or why they care about a local sports team? My autism detector always starts to make noises when I read posts like yours.

As another aside, I find this strange attitude sometimes very prevalent among AoS fans. Oh that thing that lasted for decades and filled up so much of your time and energy, oh why do you care. Meanwhile, someone makes a passing remark about 40k and AoS fans come out begging them to stop. Or once I saw in an AoS general, someone wrote something like 1000 word post attacking a guy for making a 1 sentence remark about stormcast models. Like, you can't have it both ways. You can't question why people care about something and then jump on every remark you don't like about AoS or write 2000 word diatribes defending the honour of AoS... don't make a lick of sense.

>>52410566
Now this Anon has his head screwed on properly.

>>52409688
>UK

do they let you play tabletop wargames at the local mosque?

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>>52402013
>objectively selling better than WHFB
counterpoint

>>52410671
WHFB works great in video games, not so much in a Wargame anymore.

Why the fuck can't mods delete Skubtasy vs Age of Skub shitposting threads?

>>52410632
WHFB general.

>>52410566
It's quite simple really.

Ever since it's conception AoS-General has been bombarded by the most rancorus groggiest grognards ever, who are utterly enflamed by WHFB's death.

They refuse to move on, or even accept their limitation in time, and see it as the fault of AoS-general that the game died.

People who cry about WHFB being dead, really didn't care enough about the game to keep it alive.

>>52410632
>try to find a more toxic community
I see you've never been to a 40k General, or Warhammer fantasy general. In truth it's just about which fan base has the most vocal minority grongards shitting up the threads.

Also
>current year
>people still haven't figured out how to identify bait
I'm willing to bet that 4/5 "AoS fanboys" who make threads or comments like OP are just trolls who don't play any of the games stirring up shit because Fantasy grongs will forever be easy targets

>>52410735
Oh I know that since they cannibalised WHFB:RPG and act as if the two communities were the same people.

17 year old groglets crying they can't stomp people with Elves whining about their game being abandoned; thinking they are on the same level as people playing like 20 year old rules.

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>>52410694
>dont update 1/3 of the army books
>dont produce new models
>dont put out any new lore
>"fantasy never sold well"

>suddenly start breathing life into the game again and it sells really well for end times

>kills it

>>52409688

UKanon here, currently based in Liverpool. There are two or three FLGSes I could play in in town if I chose to, not to mention student societies at the three main unis that are open to outsiders dropping in. Then there's our geedubs.

My friend in Bolton has two he goes to. I was in Preston for work the other day and they had two gaming cafes advertised on the noticeboard of things to do in town right outside the train station ffs.

>>52410632
xwing/magic

>>52410749
Yeah this is one thing I noticed. One thing that always crops up in this flame war is how the Old World was a unique setting because it had high fantasy elements, but it focused on the little guy.

No it did not. The WFRP splats focused on the little guy because they explored the little guy roles you could play. The campaign books were as high fantasy as ever.

>>52410762
Except that's simply not true, the Dwarf range getting an almost total revamp still had shit all sales.

>>52410783
>Slavposter thinks he triggers anyone
>Implying we're not just sick of Placating a retard.

>>52403948

Explain how it's CCG esque vs a game that is literally based on cards, combos and mana.

I'll wait.

>>52402013
reminds me of when 5th edition DnD came out and I was finally free of the pathfinder munchkins.

>>52410797
>the Dwarf range getting an almost total revamp
Nope 2 infantry boxes and flyers, only DE get total revamp

>>52410821
DE didn't get a total revamp either.

>>52410669
Return to your increasingly leaky containment board filth.

Take these numbers with you:

Muslims in the UK 2.8 million
Muslims in Clappistan 3.3 million

A tiny fraction of a percent of who pose any threat whatsoever to an even smaller percentage of their host population. The rest busy themselves keeping our fucking society running they never seem to have the time left for traditional games in my experience.

Good job attempting to derail the thread though. Burbling on a Bolivian bag weaving forum is the most scum like you can or ever will achieve. Still more than your Wotsit cunt president has managed thus far.

>>52410723
>Ever since it's conception AoS-General has been bombarded by the most rancorus groggiest grognards ever,
>implying AoSfans didn't shitpost in other generals, including non-GW games

>really didn't care enough about the game to keep it alive.
>8th edition
>lack of real updates
>growing prices
>It's all community fault!

>>52410750
The Lizardmen/Seraphon. Lore I believe is an improvement over before. They were always kinda fucked in Fantasy since they weren't a typical fantasy race or in and around the main areas of attention. So instead GW just has their twiddling there thumbs in Lustria killing rats.

Also, Lizardmen is a fuck awful name and Seraphon is near infinitely better.

>>52410826
>DE didn't get a total revamp either.
Really? They get all new models except shadows and harpies.

>>52410834
Mate you have no idea what reading this did for my faith in /tg/. Thank you.

>>52402013
All good points or at least okay ones. Personally I'd be totally okay with AoS if they hadn't taken the existing setting out back and put both barrels through it's head. I like the models, I'm prepared to tolerate the rules, but the new setting is just ass pancakes compared to the old world.

>>52410859
>Seraphon is near infinitely better.
BWAHAHAHAHAHA

>around the main areas of attention
Yeah because none in WHFB never sailed to Lustria

>>52402013
The lore is absolute shit. It's bland, it's unengaging, and it reads as if someone forgot to release the fast forward button. All the interesting things have already happened.

>>52410871
>Harpies
>Cold one Knights
>Shades
>Manticore
>Any heroes besides sorceress and Fleetmaster or Dragon

>>52410766
The situation is better up north where you're still somewhat civilized. Private landlords have wrecked the retail environment down south. It's not possible to run any kind of specialist business with a 6 figure rent and if you don't want to open your shop in a layby on a motorway or somewhere similarly isolated (where no one can find you to grow your customer base) that's what you'll be paying. The UK is fucked and eventually the cancer will spread to you up north.

>>52410913
>>Cold one Knights
Lolwut?
>>Manticore
WoC release.
>>Any heroes besides sorceress and Fleetmaster or Dragon
Well that's sort of common problem of all Warhammer releases (including 40k, where phoenix lords weren't updated since 2th edition)

>>52410893

Wow, of course! The odd small group of people from the Old World travelling to Lustria! How incredible! Your right Anon, now they are getting tonnes of attention because of the odd colonisation effort or treasure seekers.

Actually, no, wait, that's fuck all.

Lizardmen lore sucked since GW fucking starved them of anything cool with substance. Grimgor/Archaon/Anyone interesting vs Kroq-Gar? That was never happening. Nagash and Kroak in a contest of magical supremacy, pfft we ain't ever gonna show that happening. Oh maybe just a Lizardmen Army deploying to the Old World to help out? No fuck you instead fight some overgrown lab rats you scaled fucks.

>>52410930
>this shit quality bait

>>52410789
This. The campaign books never gave a shit about what the peasants and townsfolk were doing other than dying horribly in massive numbers, mostly off screen. Entire empire towns casually get wiped off the map just to make enemies look more scary, they mattered just as much as the mortal humans do in AoS. Also the rpg shit only applies to empire humans, every other faction is too high fantasy

>>52409696
K

>>52411015
>The odd small group of people from the Old World travelling to Lustria!
Yeah such small that it tooks the whole campaign about it.
And let's not forget about their Northern neighbors.
Also, after Neuland Southlands and Lustria colonisation was logical next step in the setting.
>Oh maybe just a Lizardmen Army deploying to the Old World to help out?
>what Albion event is
Also there were lizards outside Lustria

>>52411039
>implying he is wrong and new sigmarine from Shadespire cover doesn't looks like Garen

>>52411044
>every other faction is too high fantasy
Yeah like Brets who living in classical feudal society or other Old Wrold nations ot Elves with their totally not-British colonial empire after WW2

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>>52410817
xwing players a shit

>>52402356
And gained many more, AoS outsold 40k at the end of last year.

WHFB was getting outsold by paints and glue for fucks sake

>>52411500
>AoS outsold 40k at the end of last year.
Proofs?

>>52411500
Theres a public document that GeeDubs put out about the last year of sales, google it

>>52411523
>>52411539
Thats for you, Im stupid

>>52411015
WHFB fan here, but I agree with your complaints about Lizardman. I collected a Lizard army and always felt I had to awkwardly shoehorn it into whatever campaign was being run.

>>52411539
>Theres a public document that GeeDubs put out about the last year of sales,
You mean financal years or what?
>google it
Nah, post it here, because I am sure that everyone wants to see since when GW starts publish numbers directly bout each of their lines.

>>52411523
And it no doubt outsold 40K on it's release weekend too, despite it being a disastrous release. There's no point cherry picking arbitrary time periods and screaming: "look it's doing great".

It isn't, damage control from GW was long overdue, but it stopped things getting worse for AoS. A % of their gamerrbase is a captive audience who will buy anything they put out, some of these swore off AoS and inevitably came crawling back, Another % are new players who of course haven't even noticed WFB is gone as they never played it and could care less. They're young 'uns for the most part and AoS' pathetic simplistic play is designed to appeal to them primarily, as that was the sort of customer GW was hemorrhaging during it's inception, as well as being the group they have always cared most about.

A small majority of established WFB players have happily (or begrudgingly) migrated to other systems and they aren't coming back

Their loss will eventually be replaced by new blood, but there's no indication or reason to believe that AoS will ever be as popular as 40K. The only man fucking stupid enough to think it ever would (or should) be has retired to the golf course.

His doing so has saved the companies fortunes as they've started to finally do what people had been asking them to do for decades and that's scored them tons of cash for specialist games and 40K. I would not be at all surprised to see them back peddle on WFB in the end running both AoS and WFB in parallel before eventually (in another decade or so) shooting the AoS fluff in the back of the head and rolling the rules into WFB as a "skirmish" variant.

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guys just turn to T9A and everything will be fine. All WHFB without the GW restrictions and the fanbase is great.

>>52410797
>Except that's simply not true, the Dwarf range getting an almost total revamp still had shit all sales.
Lad WHFB was the second best selling wargame on the market up until 2013, and then they stopped releases. Any "WHFB wasn't selling" argument is Smegmar shill-tier.

Lord of the Rings out sold everything.

Didn't stop them running that into the ground ASAP.

>>52412019
This

To understand how shit AoS sells, you gotta see it ranks below Warmahordes, which is a game with play-doh tier minis, the worst ruleset since its inception, a lower unit count on the table and ten times less releases than AoS.

>>52404294
Because those make believe universes were one of the few places I could escape to in order to avoid the shittiness of my reality.

>>52408013
AOS is Drumpf, as shitty as it is dumbasses defend it as a meme.

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>>52412357
>Drumpf

>>52411015
The lizardmen should have functioned the way the seraphon do in AoS. Maybe not star daemons, but the slann teleporting whole armies around the old world to help the other races fight back against chaos would have been nice. Especially since it's already in the lore

>>52412809
Thy kind of did the something like that on Albion, but in different manner

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>>52411122
>you mean like brets with their army wide magical wards for their massive knight armies whose society is completely unrealistic and unsustainable, or npc nations we barely know about since no one gives a fuck about them, or elves with their magically floating continent and magical aircraft carriers that launch dragons and their flying chariots and shit.
FTFY
Dude, high elves are literally the worse example to use for your "n-not high fantasy!" argument, and the post colonial British empire vibe is not apparent on them at all. your arguments are shit and you should stop projecting your headcanon as if it applies to the actual setting

>>52413029
>whose society is completely unrealistic and unsustainable
Yeah because feudal societies never existed.
>or npc nations we barely know about since no one gives a fuck about them
>t.AoS player

>"n-not high fantasy!"
I never tried to implied that, my point was that while the setting is mostly high fantasy almost all factions were heavily grounded is some ways.
>and the post colonial British empire vibe is not apparent on them at all
Yeah because Ultuan totally doesn't looks like mix of UK and Melnibone
>you should stop projecting your headcanon as if it applies to the actual setting
>AoS player talking about projections and headcanon
It's kind of cute.

>>52402013
It's gay as fuck.

>>52413029
>and the post colonial British empire vibe is not apparent on them at all
Holy shit what are you smoking ?

>>52411102
Honestly it's more that both sigmarines and Garen are medieval versions of space marines. I mean he even has a blood angel skin.

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>>52413301
>It's gay as fuck.

>>52414126

Are you agreeing or disagreeing with that statement?

>>52402013
This has got to be a plant

>>52410723
>NO CRITICAL THOUGHT INSIDE THE HUGBOX PLEASE

>>52414200
>Are you agreeing or disagreeing with that statement?
It's not "gay as fuck" by AoS standarts

>>52414126
>naked greek dwarf wants ur gold

>>52414925
>greek
Snyder please.

>>52413282
>Yeah because feudal societies never existed.
Lawful stupid Feudal societies in which the entire male nobility is required to be under arms and almost all of the nations production goes to war (somehow) and Theres hardly enough of a middle class to realistically maintain all the engineering and infrastructure and trading did not exist in the real world. Also, feudal societies are in literally every fantasy world, this doesn't make bretonnia or warhammer special in anyway. Guess who else has feudal societies? AoS.
>I never tried to implied that, my point was that while the setting is mostly high fantasy almost all factions were heavily grounded is some ways.
So does every other fantasy setting, including AoS. The original point i was referring to was WHFBRPG fags thinking that what makes warhammer unique is the fact that despite all of the fantasy elements, they focused on the little guy, the normal dudes. Which is only true if you're playing the rpg, and a human. These same fags then try to claim the whole setting is supposed to be as low fantasy as they see it, and then we get into "nothing after 6th!" shitposting.

>t.AoS player
literally not an argument or even an attack. also, Ogres got their own rulebook before those cheap NOTspain and NOTitaly expys because no one gives a shit about them at GW. They get wiped out by rats off screen in a few weeks, fucking pathetic

>yeah because Ultuan totally doesn't looks like mix of UK and Melnibone
It doesn't. at all. I'm staring at 2 maps of both places right now and if i tried reaching as hard as you are to get them to look lie ulthuan, my arm would fall off. If you said Atlantis and Numenor you'd have a point, but what you said was simply retarded.

>AoS player talking about projections and headcanon
>It's kind of cute.
Again, not an argument or attack on anything i said. And i can't prove shit on this anonymous patagonian taint braiding forum, but i don't play AoS or Warhammer fantasy.

>>52410913
Everything is better than the last Tomb King update though

A bunch of new cool looking statue monsters to go next to the skeletons that last got replaced in the 90's that for some reason still suffer yearly price increases.

>>52410834
>Tiny fraction of a population.

Nigga were you even alive during 2016, let alone the begining of this year? How many terror attacks by peaceful Muslims towards the host population happened? It's not even a UK problem, America is still tense about our own recent attacks.
(Not even the guy you responded to)

>>52402013
The greatest sin GW did was kill off fantasy. I haven't been shown any numbers or stats to show the contrary, but u heartily believe that they could've supported both. It's like they hate money?

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>>52413397
Explain how its apparent then. I never said it wasn't there at all, but it definitely isn't something that just jumps out at you like how Lizardmen are clearly aztec influence, Tomb kings are Egyptian and Empire is HRE. A casual can look at art of any of them and tell that without even knowing the lore. Tell me, where in Pic related are the apparent Post colonial British influences?

>>52415037
>Lawful stupid Feudal societies in which the entire male nobility is required to be under arms
Just like in most of Medieval countries.
>and almost all of the nations production goes to war (somehow) and Theres hardly enough of a middle class to realistically maintain all the engineering and infrastructure and trading did not exist in the real world.
>nation
>middle class
>in feudal society
U wut?
>Also, feudal societies are in literally every fantasy world
Since when literally every fantasy world had feudal societies with all flaws os feudal system?
>Guess who else has feudal societies? AoS.
Yeah like some feudal world Nonameus in 40k
>So does every other fantasy setting, including AoS.
Yeah tell me how sigmarines (who turns into celestial creatures after few respawns) are grounded, or how grounded anything on "Universe-huge realms in warp"
>The original point i was referring to was WHFBRPG fags thinking that what makes warhammer unique is the fact that despite all of the fantasy elements, they focused on the little guy, the normal dudes. Which is only true if you're playing the rpg, and a human. These same fags then try to claim the whole setting is supposed to be as low fantasy as they see it,
Well, guess they knew it better than newcomer from reddit.
>Ogres got their own rulebook before those cheap NOTspain and NOTitaly expys because no one gives a shit about them at GW.
Yep that's why most of Dogs of War book was focused on mercinaries from Tilea and Estalia.
> fucking pathetic
Just like any other non-Chaos in ET.
>It doesn't. at all.
>literally Union of few kingdoms
>Spiritual leader cames from continuous line of queens while political ruler elected by nobility
>strongest colonial empire who now collapsing after large war on continent
>it doesn't

>>52415188
>Tell me, where in Pic related are the apparent Post colonial British influences?
I've talked about fluff.
Visual-wise WHFB elves (except WE) wears pretty practical and believable armor (plate chest and helm and scale or mail protection for hands and legs), unlike most of generic elves (not to mention that Moorcock itself was much less popular source of elves than Tolkien)

>>52402013
>muh models
>100% of GW's income increases must come from AoS, also if it sells a lot it must be good
>o-only toxic grognard virgins don't like!
>the General's Handbook solved literally everything
>Age of the Emperor when

We really should make a bingo chart for AoS apologist threads.

>>52415131
A single figure number of attacks killing a minuscule number of people in increasingly simplistic and basic attacks due to their lack of intelligence and resources.

My statement is factually correct. These murderers do not speak for or represent Muslims living perfectly peacefully in Western nations, any more than Amerilard school shooters represent the bumfuck white populations in mid west shitholes. Peaceful Muslims who outnumber these delusional violent turds -literally- millions to one.

The baddies have no support and their actions are counter productive, they'll either realize this, end up imprisoned or dead. Either way Western civilization will sail on regardless, unaffected by their existence in any meaningful sense.

The only thing that can change that is not the murderers, but Sniveling cowards in our populations overreacting to their pinprick acting out and demanding the fucking over of our core values to provide ineffective protection. That's the real threat Muslim extremism represents, the crimes committed by our feckless leaders egged on by a media and populace of cattle in response to a near non-existent threat.

Go and join the other cunt in /pol/ and shit your pants over nothing to a more appreciative (read: "thick as pigshit") audience there.

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>>52412729
Not that anon but you don't suppose you're anti-family & actively refuse to love your kids? I hope not.

what do humans in Azyrheim eat? what do they do as their day jobs? what kind of buildings do they live in? what kind of crime happens there and what is the punishment for them?

>>52411932

this... this makes sense. No wonder no one agreed with ya.

>>52419087
Bit too long for modern /tg/ to engage with.

>>52416581
>peaceful muslims
Haha lol

>>52419795
Ah yes I forgot about that time the 3 million US Muslims slaughtered several people each killing off 15% of America's population before they were stopped.

No hang on that didn't fucking happen at all did it? In fact American Muslims have killed practically no American citizens. How many did you lose to school shootings and mindless rampages from your mentally ill bullet spewing white folk last year alone?

Jesus you people are fucking thick on a level it's hard to quantify.

>>52402356
>didn't replace the lore

But they DIDN'T replace the lore. AOS is a continuation.

>>52420501
In much the same way that the novel Dune is a natural continuation to the eighteenth century European wars of religion...

>>52420566
Checked and
>>52420501
Wrecked

>>52402520
...what?

>>52421127
I guess he thinks that just because it uses cards instead of dice that it's a 'card game'.

>>52420468
Calm down anon, how about we visit the local meth dealer? They're white enough to sell meth.

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>>52416602
>Not that anon but you don't suppose you're anti-family & actively refuse to love your kids? I hope not.

>>52405121
Get out of here sam, we're all salty about AoS

>>52421169
>it's a game
>that uses cards
>IT'S NOT A CARD GAME THOUGH GUYS

Card and game are literally the only two words on the table. There's no talking your way out of this.

>>52403962
IF you think those are broken, you may be retarded and blind at the worse things.

>>52421611
By that same logic, if I printed out unit cards for current 40k, it would then become a card game, since I'm referencing them vs the codex

>>52421655
Death in general
t.the majority of AoS tournaments

My big gripe about AoS is the distruction of a really good mid fantasy setting that was not WoW or Tolkien that got replace by fantasy so high is low sci-fi.

And that all they are releasing is chaos and order

>>52421707
>And that all they are releasing is chaos and order
That and the roll for who goes first each battleround are my only problem with AoS. Other than that, I'm very happy with it and love my death alliance. Death could very easily get better, but I trust it will come with time.

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>>52421672

40k is already a card game MORON

god it's like i'm surrounded by IDIOTS

bet he doesn't even duel on top of motorcycles

i should just fucking throw his riptides into the ocean

>>52421672
No, that's not the same logic. You literally cannot play Malifaux without using cards in a playing card-like fashion. Just because you make flash cards to help you memorize the rules doesn't make something a card game. Is studying for your next test a card game? Is an actor reading cue cards a card game?

It's like saying 40k isn't a dice game.

>>52416581
But the Muslim terrorists are representing the beliefs of their so called peaceful brethren. Everything a jihadi stands for is the same core values that your run of the mill Mohammed appreciates.

But thank you for making light of mental illness and bullying, a real problem that hits hard on underage youths in the Midwest.

Finally, we have recorded cases of "native" Muslims here in the US that have gone rogue, to the extreme of traveling to the middle East and joining Isis or insert terrorist group.

Perhaps if you got over your bias and actually stood in the fire (aka go on /pol/) you can have your beliefs challenged with real life people. Because surprise surprise, Trump and both Brexit happened, meaning there's more people in the world who want peace and prosperity in their world.

>>52410859
Seraphon was literally the name of Malekith's dragon.
They didn't even try to be creative

>>52413029
>post colonial British empire vibe is not apparent on them at all
are you twelve?

>>52422091
But the white nationalists are representing the beliefs of their so called peaceful brethren. Everything a white nationalist stands for is the same core values that your run-of-the-mill Christian appreciates.

Finally we have recorded cases of "native" Christians here in the US that have gone rogue, to the extreme of traveling to the south and joining the KKK or insert white nationalist group.

Perhaps if you got over your bias and actually looked at things through the lens of reality (aka stay away from /pol/) you can have your beliefs challenged with real life people. Because surprise, surprise, Trump and both Brexit happened, meaning there's more people in the world who haven't had their stupid, inconsistent core beliefs challenged in the world.

>>52422498
>Seraphon was literally the name of Malekith's dragon.
Nope it's furry fetish

>>52418322
>what do humans in Azyrheim eat?

Adjectives and adverbs. AoS lore has no shortage of 'em. Or, should I say, it has no Hellfyre Burstshortage of them.

>what do they do as their day jobs?

Battle infinitely across the infinite mortal realms of infinite realmness, in a suitably mortal infinite fashion.

>what kind of buildings do they live in?

Auric Sigmarite buildings, built upon Hellblaze Soulstone foundations. They're pretty mortal and infinite.

> what kind of crime happens there and what is the punishment for them?

Not using enough adjectives or adverbs. Punishable by infinitely infinite mortal realm-battle.

These fucking borderline bait/bait threads and posts are fucking annoying at this point, just fucking let the people who like AoS be, and have their circle jerk by themselves instead of this 2 year long shit fight over toy soldier games and why the company is shit. That's the problem with people nowadays and their favored game companies, they think the world owes them something. If you don't like or agree with something don't have a fucking scream about it like spoiled fucking man-children, its become ridiculous at this point, having such divided communities of grognards/trolls and the people who actually like the game and the hobby.
there's my piece... fuckin e'll

>>52402013
>it's got models that have on average objectively more detail to them than WHFB models
Just because there's more detail doesn't make them better. In fact, GW has been falling victim to the overdetailing/quantity-over-quality trap in recent years, and it's quite obvious in a lot of AoS stuff.

>>52422670
This. Diaper fetish at that. Googling seraphon when AoS started up was nothing but that garbage. GG GW.

>>52423147
Never mind the blatantly mirrored CAD shit GW pushes out. And still AoS cucks shovel it into their gullets.

>>52423092
>tl;dr stop talking bad about AoS REEEEE!

WHFB was lucky to get a release or 2 a year, AoS is getting monthly releases, of course it sells better.

>>52424132
you know this applies to literally every game here, and you are allowed to 'talk bad' and argue about the game, its the senseless bitching and bait which derails most AoS related threads into a shit fight, which is most prevalent on this board anyways

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>>52402013
The best thing about AoS I've seen is AoS28.

>>52410932
>WoC release updated the Dark Elf release

wat

>Still play WHFB
>Play AoS
>Play koW
>Dropped Warmahordes because balance sucks and the models are boring
>Would play infinity but my converter's itch would have me waste money.

I really don't see the issue to why people waste so much time crying about AoS, they try and find every excuse under the sun to lowball a game

Go play the games you like, jesus. There is literally no excuse to shitposting about AoS, it's always the same whiny retards.

>>52427097
>it doesn't even sell better
jej

>>52428057
But it does.

Do we need to take the 2009 results of showing WHFB without End Times sales?

WHFB was crippled beyond any repair by resellers, recasters and the model of the Wargame requiring tons of useless troops nobody likes.

WHFB dropped off of a fucking cliff man. Grow up.

>>52428081
2009 you mean when WHFB was the third best selling game on the market ? (AoS still has to reach this spot).

>>52422633

Yes, and none of that is in any way a problem. White Christians are a native element and if 10 join the FBI honeypot known as the KKK, so be it. If even one Muslim kills someone in your country, your government is directly responsible for letting that person in. And then there's you, saying "I bet if or when we were Muslim majority this would still be a nice western country." Kek

>>52420501
This is a common argument, and extremely fallacious.

AoS might be a continuation, but it's a continuation that advances the story in a direction that old school Warhammer fans really don't like. For all the protestations that "AoS doesn't destroy the lore, it advances it!" Many of the elements we really liked about Warhammer Fantasy have been eliminated and the setting re-made into a kind of shitty Thor knock-off.

>>52428042
it could be the best game ever for all i care it's the fluff that is the biggest problem

>>52402013
and it has objectively a worse setting than WHFB, faggot OP

>>52402136
>It's not the GAME that's the problem
to be fair, the game WAS the problem before the latest fixes. and it still kinda is insofar as I don't want to micromanage the position of every model.

>>52407355
Source?

>>52402736
I dont know.

The real question is why you basically give him proof that miniatures from AoS are better and that archaon was just Chaos Warrior #7736168 with next to no fine details

>>52427830
see, this looks amazing but still it doesnt capture my imagination because everything i have read about the background has made me go meh. so for me these great minis exist in a vaccuum.

>>52429454
It was the third most sold actually.

>>52428164
>What is relative growth

>>52407355
[Muh Citation]

>>52410803
What are you talking about, neither game has a mana system. Regardless both games venture into combo territory.

>>52428279
> If even one Muslim kills someone in your country, your government is directly responsible for letting that person in.
That goes for anyone.
>white person kills someone
"Why did you let him/her in!"
>black person does
>"Why did you let him/her in!"

Both of you make no sense.

>>52422633
ah, then try to dispute the following logic please:
1. the human sex drive isnt color-blind
[evidence: categories of every porn site ever; unless you're arguing they have all been set-up by vile racists]
2. the human sex drive isn't irrelevant
[trivial, it's significant influence on human life is well-documented]

combining these two items, pray tell me why I should act as if I was colorblind, anon? how is the world going to challenge that? please explain, I am anxiously awaiting your post.

>>52410859
Kys

>>52429300
The game is shit.