/5eg/ Fifth Edition General: Three amigos edition

It's okay. Nothing spectacular.

>>52399391
it's ok, kind of dumb and unpolished but ok.

>>52399391
New archetypes are nice I guess but I really wanted improved food rules.

>>52399391
Are the latest mass combat rules any good?

>>52399391
>drunken master sucks
Why does WotC hate monks?
>redemption paladin makes no sense
So they're supposed to be kinda like pacifists but if they hit someone really hard they charm them? "Oh wow thanks for hitting me really hard with your quarterstaff Chad, you know you're actually a pretty nice guy."
>Monster hunter ranger actually not shit
I kinda like it. Would be fun to play as the guy that knows shit about all the big monsters your DM throws at you. And as a DM I wouldn't mind having a player be the expert, would make it much easier for me and I'd feel less obligated to drop hints all the time.

>>52399391
Its pretty good Monster Slayer looks tight, and it weirds me out that the peaceful, innocent, and patience Pally can't cast Sanctuary.

>>52399391
I like the idea of the paladin a lot, but like a lot of the paladin archetypes it has a bit of characterization already built in that puts me off really wanting to play it.
The ranger was interesting, even more situational extra damage, I think I still like hunter conclave more even if the numbers probably say it's shittier.
Also like the idea of the monk a lot, just needs a couple small pluses that were discussed pretty thoroughly last thread to make it really compelling to play.

>>52399391
Drunken Master has no idea what it wants to be doing
Oath of Redemption is unpolished
Monster Slayer is basic, doesn't seem to scale well, and has very few ways to capitalize on knowing the enemies vulnerabilities aside from asking the casters to use the right damage type
Basically, I got more than I expected, but less than I hoped.

>>52399464
This I would like to know.

Drunken technique should be like a default for monks imo

>>52399391
Oh, forgot to mention
>monster hunter has "allow meta knowledge: the feature"
No further need for debate on whether your character would know about trolls and their fucking regeneration. If anybody dares, just fucking use a bonus action on that shit.

>>52399391
Ranger, what does the scouter say about the monster's power level?

>>52399493
>enemies vulnerabilities
Fuck, enemy's.
I'm not retarded I swear. At least, you won't be able to prove anything.

>>52399391
http://goodman-games.com/blog/2017/03/26/classic-dd-module-collectors-editions/

This looks very awesome, B1 and B2 original and 5e conversion with loads of historical goodies in a hardcover. I wonder what other modules they will do this for.

>>52399580
The memes write themselves

>>52399583
>enemies'

I was wanting to play a war forged character that is like a boxer using heavy unarmed strikes, rather than something more monk-esque. Maybe monk with all of the "dex" references changed to strength.

What do you guys think is the best way to go about it?

>>52399580
ITS VALNURABLE TO FIRE!!!!!

>>52399653
Ask your DM to let you install a weapon like one of the old 3e warforged could
Replace one hand with a warhammer
Play Fighter or Barb

Slayers Edge should really only work against Favoured Enemies or Greater Favoured Enemies and only be usable 1+Wis mod per rest

>green dragonborn
>ranger: hunter
>grappler feat

Guys i'm gonna be the crocodile hunter

>>52399694
Slayers Eye rather. And relentless pursuit should be similarly limited and the reaction attack from saving throw needs to specify within weapon range

Really is amateur hour at WOTC

>>52399653

Why do so many people want to build unarmed fighters?

Anyway don't do it Monks are still somewhat mediocre in 5e and they aren't great for bare-knuckle brawlers.

Honestly see if you can get your DM to go along with the idea that your fists are basically equivalent to maces or hammers because of your warforged nature.

Later on see if you can convince the DM to upgrade your body to better Damage roles basically representing various cybernetic upgrades.

>>52399475
Because that archetype WANTS to be hit

Reposting:
Have a player who wants to use herbs and ingredients to make potions, my main question is does anyone have or know of a decent chart for what each potion takes to make and price of certain ingredients?

>>52399741

It's gamist as fuck and you are having issues that it's an at-will effect?

What would be the rationale to have it be limited use? That your Libra-scanner has limited power and needs to be recharged every so often?

speaking of meta gaming: the feature, what do you do when you evidently know something the rest of the party doesn't either do to 'accidentally' spoiling yourself about a printed story or just because you've been a dm before and pretty much have all the books memorized?

do you fake stupidity, roll to see if your character would know and then fake stupidity on a fail or what?

>>52399735
better be a lizardman
>the hunter crocodile

>>52399653
Honestly?
Inmortal Mystic.
I hate the "Mystic doos evrthin guise" meme, but every other unarmed option sucks.
Also, Magic Fists.

>>52399762

5e isn't really geared around making a whole lot of magical equipment or even potions. You could probably to a 5e equivalent of the PF Alchemist with it's mutagens and potions but it would be a pretty significant undertaking considering 3.PF and 5e have very different magic economies.

Is tomb of horrors fun, or is it the dark souls 2 of fun in that it's full of bullshit traps you couldn't possibly foresee?

>>52399742
Because I have a character concept that requires it?

>>52399784
Tell the DM. Scrambling ans shuffling things is usually easy and fast enough.

>>52399803
This

>>52399815
Both. It's fun, but using in game knowledge is liable to kill you, meta gaming WILL kill you, and if you read the module, random chance will probably kill you.

>>52399805

Psionic Warforged?

Yes mechanically it works but you'd need to come up with some pretty significant background that refluffs the psionic elements into shit like Overdrive and the like.

Still if the guy wants to go full punchmage it's probably the best build.

>>52399810
I'd be willing to try atleast, I normally pull monsters from 4e and have to convert things to keep it more interesting untill more monsters are out for 5e.

>>52399756
No it does not its abilities make it so it does not want to be hit, it wants its allies to get hit so the attacker takes damage or it eats up the damage for them.

>>52399826

Meh, I understand concept being a major driver of character design but it's also important to note that sometimes the mechanics underlying the system aren't really built around supporting certain character concepts.

It can be done but it often forces a certain degree of mechanical disadvantage on the PC. For some people that's okay and for some Players/Groups thats a deal-breaker.

Make your build decisions with your eyes open realizing that sometimes concepts can result in suboptimal characters - obviously this isn't always a bad thing.

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>>52399690
forgot pic

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>>52399853
It's already a thing, you egg.

>>52399915
>>52399944
Warforged were a mistake

>>52399853
Make it's head glow light teal.
Nobody will question it.
Use Psionic Weapon for Magic Brain Fist, later Magic Brain Fist +3.
Use Brute Force to augment your damage and do feats of strength.
Then you can pick a few other things. Also, the Beacon talent can be fluffed as being those classical robot Eyelights.
Plus this. >>52399944

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>>52399803
Damn i haven't even looked at volos thats rad. I'm gonna have to work on my strayan accent

>>52399873

Download some PF pdfs then but basically keep in mind that in many ways you are looking at refluffing spells or spell like effects into potions/mutagens.

Another option would be to refluff the Mystic into more of a alchemist feel instead of a psionic mystic. I generally dislike the memes that Mystic >>>> All other classes but there is a fuckton of thematic space available within the class and it would be trivial to replace some of the blast like effects with thrown vials of acid and some of the Mr Hyde effects as immortal powers brought on by drinking potions.

Maybe even throw in a wild surge type mechanism to describe how sometimes your mixtures are less than precise.

Say a wizard wants to force his son's wife to miscarry with magic, by using some sort of horrible creature to use magic or psionics or something. What creature would he use?

>>52399583
>Enemies'

>>52399994
Intelligence devourer

>>52399853
>>52399910

The concept is that he is a golem rather than a true warforged, that has lived in the mountains for hundreds of years after being abandoned by his creator. Something (not sure yet) motivates him to come down out of the mountains and adventure. I liked the idea of an unarmed and unarmoured golem just punching things rather than using weaponry. I might be able to do something with mystic though, will look into it.

>>52399994
Brew a potion with magic infused herbs that cause a miscarriage. Why is a creature that rips shit out of the body needed? Alternatively a magic little robot that does abortions.

>>52399391

I'm still mad there was no drunken master UA.

>>52399984
The main thing so far is he has it more in mind for health potions for utility and back story fluff. For stuff to attack with I figured he'd have to get ingredients from monsters and then mix them, but they won't always work or could go horribly wrong if rolling really low.

Since he's not a magic user the potions won't be as good unless he can talk the party sorcerer into burning slots to help and she doesn't like him so it'd be fun to watch.

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>>52400080
Are you trolling or blind?

>>52400092

All of the above, I don't check UA every week. did drunken master come out today?

>>52400110
Look at the first OP pic and tell me

>>52399994
A Diminution (Microscopic) Mystic could do it.
With focus on Adaptative Body it wouldn't need to breathe. Then you attack the fetus with mind bullets.

>>52399994
Forcecage

>Feel witty by coming up with the phrase "The population of corpses is on the rise"
>Everyone gets a chuckle
>Google it later
>About 257,000 results (0.68 seconds)

Kill me

>>52400169
You can't just solve every problem with Forcecage.

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>>52400176

>>52399887
It can literally damage anyone who hits it

>>52400212
DID I FUCKING STUTTER

>>52399515
>>52399464
From what I can tell they give martials a sorta Dynasty Warriors feel since they can now take out multiple low cr monsters per attack.

>>52400219
At level 20 yes but 17 levels before that no it would be able to use Sanctuary well.

WHY IS THERE A LICH IN DEAD IN THAY WHO CAN ONLY CAST 6TH SPELLS

Can Szass Tam turn lesser wizards into liches or something?

>>52399620
>>52400015
I... fuck.
You MAY be able to prove something.

>>52399994
Kill the wife and foetus with magic missile or w/e and then pay the cleric to rez ONLY the wife

>>52400020
>>52400048
>>52400161
>>52400169
>>52400326

The point is to do it in such a way that it looks like a normal miscarriage. He's trying to prevent his son (both human) from having filthy half-breed babies (son married an elf).

>>52400264

Because otherwise the players would get utterly wrecked. That said I just pretend that it's part of his punishment or whatever, but him being a 'lesser lich' would actually make a lot of sense.

>>52400351
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Silphium

extinct plant that the Romans used for abortions.

>>52400351
Get a hag or alchemist to brew him a potion that will end it
Why would he go to the trouble of staging an attack with a hazardous creature that could maim her or himself?

>>52400169
That's the meme

>>52400351
Blight on the fetus

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What is the doucheiest race to play?

>>52399580
reminds me more of "Legolas, what do your elf eyes see?"
and now I've got "they're taking the hobbits to Isengard" stuck in my head
and now you do too

>>52400451
kender

>>52400467
I do, and I hate you for it.

>>52400451
Aarakocra. Winged tiefling. Pureblood yuan thi.

>>52400467
Nah man, all I've got stuck right now is BILBO BAGGINS, BRAVEST LITTLE HOBBIT OF THEM ALL.

>>52400451
All of >>52400501 >>52400474
These.

Or halfling if your DM really, really likes critical fumbles.

>>52400467
boil em mash em

Seeing Monster Slayer all I can think about is a Lizardfolk going all Monster Hunter on his prey

No part of this animal will go to waste!

Bone Weapons! Hide Armor! Eat the Rest!

>>52400451

Variant Human. You all know it's true.

>>52400744
>scaly vore

http://www.strawpoll.me/12622026
http://www.strawpoll.me/12622028
http://www.strawpoll.me/12622029

Polls for each of the archetypes in the latest UA.

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>>52400451
Pureblood. Both in-game and Meta.

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>>52399762
use this, adjust it according to what you want out of it
i recommend halving the price of consumables such as potions

>>52400807

Not what I was going for

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I am curious if anyone has looked through Tales of the Yawning Portal. I am interested if it has any new spells.
(For God's sake, I need some more 6th-9th level spells!)

>>52400996
Thanks m8

>>52401091
Noperoo. Just magic items and monsters to accompany the adventures

>>52401091
Also, it's in the mega, ya jester.

>>52399391
Am I the only one who's really excited to play a Redemption Paladin?

>>52401206
Yes.

>>52401227
Why?

>>52401206
No, I want to also.

>>52401158
thanks
>>52401204
Awesome! Thanks, from Clueless.

>>52399391
Drunken Master is fine
what the fuck is Redemption paladin
Monster Slayer is way too hard on the "fuck that guy in particular" theme, really

Does a Druid wild shaping into an elemental speak a primordial dialect or the fact that they keep their mental stats deny that?

And if the latter, is there any rules written about that? It feels like it should be, as that would be a whole Linguist Feat / Warlock Invocation to make up for in other classes

>>52399994
Cast Blight on the fetus

>>52399741
Frankly, Slayers eye should have similar limitations to the Battlemaster's Know your enemy.

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Are your problems (if any) with Redemption Paladin the concept, or the mechanics?

>>52401363
I dislike the fact that it gets an AC of 16+dex when unarmored. It feels a little too extreme, especially when that's an AC that monks can't achieve with 10+wis+dex.

>>52401363
The concept (although Armor of Peace is kind of retarded). You'd be playing a character that actively avoids violence in a game that is first and foremost about fighting monsters.

>>52401363
The concept is fine, but the mechanics mean you have to be MAD with CHA, DEX, CON, and STR. Also some of the revenge mechanics could do with being replaced by damage reduction or restraining.

>>52401444
But we're not talking about monks. We're talking about paladins, who reach 20 AC with ease normally.

Anons? Quick query; back when 3e was just coming out, Dragon Magazine #291 had two unique subraces for gnomes; the River Gnome (lost the normal spell-like abilities for Swim Speed 20 feet and bonuses to Swim checks, increased hold breath, Speak With River Animals, +1 Initiative) and Arcane Gnome (+2 Int and -2 Wis on top of the normal +2 Con/-2 Str for gnomes, lost Speak With Animals and treated Use Magic Device as an Always Class Skill, favored class Wizard).

How would you adapt these as 5e gnome subraces?

>>52401496
I've literally never seen anyone who wants to play a gnome, any kind of gnome.

>>52401491
Why would you need strength?
>>52401495
These are going to have to be balanced for multiclassing someday you know. And that normally requires a shield, which this doesn't.

>>52401496
I wouldn't, gnomes are awful

>>52401510
I envy you because the only reason to ever play them in any edition is that they're the best wizards.
Gnome players are always fuckers.

>>52401444
But, realistically, would they achieve that? The paladin is wanting for Strength for their bludgeon, Charisma for spells, and Constitution for survivability and concentration. You could forget Strength and take Dex to use a rapier, but then you disable your unique charm feature.
>>52401481
They can abide by slaying things that are unsaveable or threaten innocents. Played right, they side with the druid when arguing whether to sneak around/befriend the bear in your way, or voice caution to the hotheaded bard confronting a noble. As far as hard opposites like a battle-craving barbarian, the existing paladin oaths already risk running in parties that oppose them and thus require player/DM discretion.

>>52401363
Concept is fine, the mechanics are more dumb than broken or anything.

What is your favorite character you played in 5e and in what kind of adventure is he in?

For me its a Warforged Sun Monk in OotA. My DM ruled it so that he can wield Dawnbringer and I just love his theme of bringing light into the underdark.

I had him wake up in the underdark without any kind of backstory or personality planed out. He started with robotic behavior and no real emotion, but slowly developed his own personality depending on how the rest of the group and the world treated him. Being inherently drawn to light, he had a reason to discover how the overworld looked, but once he saw the surface he realized that most creatures in the underdark are evil because they are born into the darkness. Thus he decided to go back into the underdark and help these creatures live a better life by being a light for them.

>>52401520
To use the charm on kill mechanics you need to be using simple blunt weapons, which are all STR based. The only ways around this are
>multiclassing UA content

>>52401569
>he

>>52401583
HAS

>>52401589
A

>>52401598
Knife

>>52401583
or she/it if it satisfies your autism. Lolis are fine too

>>52401598
SMALL

>>52401598
Feminine robot penis

>>52401363
Armor of Peace feels fucking dumb. Fuck STR peasants, I guess.
Fuck Crown's Divine Allegiance too, I guess?
And just in case, particularly FUCK Champions and their Survivor.

Concept is fine, but that's not how you make your classes mechanically interesting, really.

>>52399391
Somewhat disappointing. Overall, they seem lackluster and uninteresting. I will happily play a fun character regardless if it is a 'potent' class, but none of these are very appealing to me.

>>52399580
IT'S OVER CR 9

>>52401645
Survivor can heal outside of combat.
This new feature is still much better but I guess they tried?

>>52399391
Drunken Master is decent enough. Basically gives you Mobile+ whenever you FoB, which is a pretty solid gimmick. Drunkard's Luck + Diamond Soul is some "using Lucky to turn disadvantage into super advantage" tier shit.

Oath of Redemption is just plain weird. I'm not even sure it's bad per se, since some of the features are pretty good and the spell list is pretty solid.

Monster Slayer is okay. Spell-less hunter's mark that tells you vulnerabilities and damage effects is cool. Relentless Slayer is great if your DM is the type who likes having the villains get away at the last second every time.

>>52401363
Neither individually as much as how the two combine and conflict. Mechanics, when they don't act against eachother, feel more closely tied to a Revenge domain or some shit that with its dealing damage back to those that deal damage.

Flavor asks for shit that doesn't encourage combat through in combat skills.

>>52401686
>Oath of Redemption is just plain weird. I'm not even sure it's bad per se, since some of the features are pretty good and the spell list is pretty solid.

Can someone please explain to me why on Lathander's Shining Glory would anyone trying to do the Redemption Paladin concept even play a paladin, instead of a Bard? A Valor Bard even.

Really, nothing about it screams things like "Extra Attack" and "Divine Smite"

>>52399391
Drunken Master is definitely a... monk archetype. Have no fucking idea what to really make of it.

Redemption Paladin is one of those things where it feels like so many fucking people are going to fuck up the idea like people always fucked up playing a Paladin.

Monster Slayer is a Ranger I'd actually play.

>>52401496
Arcane Gnome sounds like it'd be near identical, to Rock Gnomes. Swap the Tinker feature for Prestidigitation, and there you go.

Forrest Gnome is an okay starting point for River Gnome: the +1 Dex accounts for the slight, general edge to Initiative; Swap "Speak with Small Beasts" with "Speak With Aquatic Beasts," either maintaining the size limit or having it be Medium or smaller; drop Minor Illusion; give Athletics proficiency, and when using it for swimming double your proficiency bonus; give them the 20ft Swim speed; they can hold their breath for two (or even three) times as long as other races.
They get more features but they're very low-impact and more specific, and it helps make up for the lack of Minor Illusion and narrowed animal communication feature.

>>52399391
>AoE Monk

This gets my dick hard.

>>52401496
In my experience, the only reason someone EVER plays a gnome is so they can ruin a campaign and be a smug jerk about it forever.

>>52401732
What the hell are you even talking about?
Neither the flavor or mechanics have anything to do with bards.

>>52401786
Or if they are a snowflake

>>52401786
How exactly can a gnome ruin a campaign? Do they do it better than any other race?

>>52401732
>holy warrior
>divine spellcaster
>taken a vow to use violence as a last resort
>bard

Okay then.

>>52399471
>Current year +1
>Not giving the bbeg a paddalin then sending them to their room w/o supper
>Pleb

>>52401732
Bards aren't really known for their holiness, self-restraint, or adherence to a specific code of conduct.

>>52401363
I have a lot of mechanical problems but
>playtest
so it's not like I can really complain fairly.
My biggest issue is that Warrior of Reconciliation rewards you for combat on an archetype that by all means should be against such violence.

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Monster Slayer? I know what time it is.

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Do any other DMs get annoyed by their players?

Just constant complaints when things don't always go their way.

>Roll a wisdom save
>18!
>Ok you fail
>WHAT THE FUCK I GOT AN 18
>Ok that's not the DC

>Player charges by themselves into a mob of enemies
>Gets smacked down and starts rolling death saves
>Wow this fight is unfair

>We want to buy a magic sword
>Ok you eventually find a friendly wizard that is willing to sell a magic sword he has it is 5000 gold
>But we only have 3000, you haven't given us enough gold!
>...it's a magic sword, they aren't cheap

>I want to line all the enemies up in a perfect line for lightning bolt
>Well, they are moving and have more movement than you
>They also aren't moving in a perfect line, it is somewhat impossible for you to manage that, but you can get half
>I refuse to cast the spell if it isn't optimal

>>52401853
If I could go into a bit more detail, it directly rewards finishing combat, where I don't see that as the narrative niche the redemption paladin falls into at all. A more fitting ability might trigger upon healing unconscious creatures using lay on hands, as an example.

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Would finding out what a monster tastes like be a valid part of Slayer's Eye?

>>52401829
>>holy warrior
May I introduce you to the Valor Bard
>>divine spellcaster
May I introduce you to the Bard spell list
>>taken a vow to use violence as a last resort
Inherent hypocrisies aside (fighting for peace being like fucking for abstinence as a common cliché to be thrown around), it's not like the Bard doesn't do what this character concept wants, better

>You have all the incapacitating domain spells,
>You have insane Diplomacy checks, and actually do stand a chance of talking people out violence
>With an Instrument of the Bards, the reconciliation effect saves are made at a disadvantage
>You learn Regenerate
>Capstone abilities are level twenty, and thus don't matter

>>52401843

I see you weren't in Choir

>>52401940
No, you'd need Slayer's Tongue for that

>>52401963
>Valor Bard is a holy warrior

If you're on enough drugs/refluff I guess.

>>52399391
Is the Codex UA ever coming back, anons?

>>52401974
Good eye there lad.

>>52401937
Your players aren't just shitty players, they're shitty people.

>>52401990
The Acolyte background exists exactly for this type of shit.

That and for dweebs who want to make their rogues just like their favorite Ass Creed character

>>52402031
That put ideas of a Rogue Paladin/Paladin Rogue archetype in my head. That kind of thinking needs exorcism.

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>>52402002
No, WotC can't stand people getting shit done.
Also it would get in the way of D&Dbeyond.

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>>52401940
Slow down there Laios.

>>52402059
Well you know

>There may not be a special hell for you, but my stomach will do

would be a nice creed.

>>52402051

Its called a Trickery Cleric

Yes, it sucks, I think it's working as intended for that reason


Or a Ranger

>>52402002
Dude should've took out anything related to D&D (i.e. the logo, "DM") and put it on github and add stuff, then we'd only need to make our own copies on homebrewery.

>>52402081
Worshipping a trickster god almost feels like worshipping a deathydoom god. You're going to get fucked at the worst possible moment and you will have been the one that lead up to it.

>>52401963
After a certain point, you're just refluffing a class in order to invalidate another. You could do the same with fighters and barbarians or wizards and sorcerers.

Fuck, you could pretty much replace every class in the game with a properly built Mystic if you refluff enough.

>>52401963
Yes if you completely reskin the Valor Bard to be a paladin that inexplicably can play 3 different instruments, has less health, and doesn't get almost any common divine spells until level 10, then yeah. Exactly the same.

>>52402104
Maybe he will do that?
One can hope, that was some great shit he was doing.

>>52401937
>Higher than DC 18 at low levels
If it's high levels, then sure. If it's low levels against a tough opponent, I'd at least award them with lessened effects.

>we want to buy a magic sword
I guess players can feel entitled to magical weapons considering martials get fucked over on several occasions by monster resistances without them.
A magical sword doesn't necessarily have to be a powerful one.

>I want to line up all the enemies
>Well, despite what the map says, they have more movement than you so no?
It sounds like you're saying 'No, you can't AoE all the enemies because.. Uhh, they're fast!' even though they're in a good line on the map.


I can definitely agree that players can whine too much and chances are some of your points are valid, but without proper context it sounds like you might be refusing to accept that you might be doing some things wrong.
If your players are complaining, there's a problem with your presentation.

>>52401363
Just give them Sanctuary and they would be cool in my book as it adds to the theme of peace.

>>52401963
>Inherent hypocrisies aside (fighting for peace being like fucking for abstinence as a common cliché to be thrown around)

Being able to fight as self-defense is not the same thing as fighting to create peace. And if you do constantly fight instead of talk, your DM is well within his rights to make you an oathbreaker.

>>52402147
>Uhh, they're fast

Giant movement speed versus halfling movement speed. Yes they are fast.

>I guess players can feel entitled to magical weapons

They feel entitled to a magic item shop brimming with cool magic items for sale.

>If it's high levels

It is, its the same kind of complaint when a Vampire can repeatedly fully charm someone.

>>52402108
>>52402109

You're all missing the point. It's not wether or not you can build the valor bard to be a good paladin

Is that you can't build the paladin to be a good bard. Well, that's not right, I mean, not the way the UA did anyway

Jesus just look at that Chanel divinity. You get a consumable resource to get a one time use shit bonus to a role play check

As opposed to say, the devotion giant shiny paladin magic fuck you stick.

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Ok boys, big decision here

Greatsword or Maul?

I'm leaning towards Maul because smashing things really hard has a decent amount of applications

Either way I'm a fag going down a LN Conquest Paladin route and Great Weapon Mastery appeals to me.

Also polearms are for chumps

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dog kobolds or lizard kobolds?

>>52402184

I'm sorry, but having your class constantly at odds with your subclass does not sound fun

Legitimately look at the Tranquility Monk for an example of this concept, only done comparably right, at least in my opinion

>>52401828
They bring out the inner jerkwad in your best friend who has always played an awesome dude for 8 years at the table. I've seen it over and over.
I think it is partially from their legacy as illusionists and tricksters.
IMO, the rest of the problem is that they do not have a proper niche in D&D culture. They have always been tacked on. Dragonlance and Spelljammer tried to give them personality, but made them even more annoying.
tldrrrthingy
Players are granted permission to use their imaginations to have fun with the others at the table. (not always fun for all.)
For God's Sake, the new ones have the top half of their brain removed! (any 5e pic of gnomes)

>>52402269

dogbolds have my heart, but scalebolds have my soul.

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>>52402269
lizardbold

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>>52402269
part of my like scaly little lizard kobolds but dog kobolds are pretty good as well. lizard-dog kobolds are fucking hideous though, one or the other but never both.

>>52401363
Concept is dumb. The mechanics are only dumb because they're designed around a dumb concept.

>>52402290
>a holy warrior who only uses his abilities as a last resort

How is this at odds with anything?

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My players are about to enter a cultist hideout as a side quest on their way to track down and get revenge on a merchant who swindled them.

The basic gist of these cultists is that they're some evangelical fire fetishists, who have been kidnapping people from small settlements to sacrifice in an attempt to summon their burning lord (TBA - some kind of Devil or Demon).
The layout of the place is based on the Redbrand Hideout from LMoP, because I've run it before and I'm unimaginative. Instead of bandits, the place is going to be populated with thugs and cultists (standard MM as well as PotA Fire Cultists). I'm going to extend the crevasse/trench in the middle of the map up through the northern wall to make another cave-like area where the cultists are sacrificing people.

Any suggestions on some cool encounters I can throw in there, or on the kind of ritual they could be performing that would be appropriate for a level 3-4 party? I'm still new at this, so my encounter building skills are pretty lackluster.

>>52402340

you are a warrior who isn't meant to war.
How is it that you don't see it.

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>>52402269
Old-timey fey kobolds.

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>>52402269
Dogbold forever.

>>52402237
>Charisma based class has an archetype that has a single feature relating to charisma checks
>"Wow, it's just a shitty bard."

Literally the only thing that says "bard" is one of the Channel Divinity options. Nothing else about it is remotely bard-y.

Why did they went so out of their way to make intelligence such a shit ability score?
Literally the only reason to play a gnome is because they are the only race that gets +2 to Int and the only class that needs Int to function is the wizard, because eldritch knights and arcane tricksters are not real casters.

Meanwhile everything else and their mom gets charisma and there's four charisma classes, three which are full casters at it.

And even if they ever release a full mystic that isn't a mountain of unrelated goodstuff abilities, it's not a real caster so it will inevitably have shit synergy with wizards.

>>52402299
That actually makes sense, illusioning and tricksying other players is probably not often done in good faith.

Also, speaking of 5e Gnome art, I wasn't quite sure what Gnomes are exactly supposed to be as far as 5e is concerned, and the images in the PH had me thinking
"...halfling elf?"

>>52402410
My table makes Warlocks Intelligence based because we all much prefer it for fluff and mechanical reasons. Also stops all the Sorcerer's and Paladins dipping into it. We also let Intelligence be used for Initiative.

Other then that it's honestly terrible RAW.

>>52402368
Maybe they did something stupid like read the "Tenets of Redemption" section that covered what the intended lore for Oath of Redemption actually is.

Hint: Sometimes you kill people that are evil because they are for practical reasons irredeemable. It's not worth it to waste your time redeeming say, Illithids, but you should at least try for a peaceable solution before the smiting begins.

>>52402410
Yeah, this is something that bothers me a lot about this system. It also means that anybody who wants to play any of those FOUR Charisma classes is going to absolutely STACK Charisma, which means that you will never have a party without at least one 20 Charisma "face" character who scoffs at social checks of any kind, totally separate from how their Eldritch Blast does +4 damage but empowered by the same stat. So you have HOW many classes now that only need to rely on one stat for combat AND (most) noncombat situations? It's ridiculous. INT doesn't get enough, and CHA gets far too much. DEX too, but that's a whole nother kettle of fish.

>>52402473
The worst part is, I agree that the casting class that makes the least sense to use it fluffwise is the Warlock, but it seems to me that making Warlock INT based just makes them a hell of a lot worse, because aside from stacking every invocation into Eldritch Blast they don't seem that good at all in the first place and the social advantages that come from rolling Charisma Warlock seem to make up for that at least a little bit.

>>52402368
You're a warrior whose first instinct is not to murder everything. Reluctant warriors are a common and time-honored trope. You're playing a holy version of Shane, or Faramir.

A Redemption Paladin is essentially your god's ultimate negotiating tool. Someone with the persuasive power to talk down the enemy, and the offensive power to stop them if things go to shit. You never throw the first punch, but you're likely to throw the last.

>>52402395

You left like, over half the domain spells. Even the spells that aren't Bard, are like, the mandatory go to magical secret spells, like Counterspell, that gets to have Jack of All Trades and Self Inspiration added ontop of it.

But even once you waver all the bits you're ignoring, all you're left is the monumentally retarded and useless ribons, that could have instead have gone to make a more efficient character concept that you want.

Like the ability that when you've already fucked yourself and your commitment to peace, and strike someone non lethaly to zero, they become charmed for long enough for you to tell them to get the fuck out of battle.

Like having to evacuate your enemies from a lair full of lava rather than knocking them out and then moving onto the next one is a thing that happens ever.

How good would a thief be for TftYP?

I'm asking because the usefulness the thief's abilities really depend on the adventure (and the dm of course). Would you say that there are many instances where these abilities would be good to have or are other rogue archtypes better for this adventure like they are most of the time?

>>52402491
>Hint: Sometimes you kill people that are evil because they are for practical reasons irredeemable. It's not worth it to waste your time redeeming say, Illithids, but you should at least try for a peaceable solution before the smiting begins.

That's also retarded. Beings like Illithids are the ones in need of redemption most of all.
You should kill them anyway, because you have Humility to recognize you do not have the power to save them before they kill countless more people who too deserve a chance at redemption

http://www.strawpoll.me/12622026
http://www.strawpoll.me/12622028
http://www.strawpoll.me/12622029

Polls for each of the archetypes in the latest UA.

>>52402585
Very good. It's dungeon crawling adventures so traps, sneaking, climbing and all that are quite heavy in there.

>>52402596
>That's also retarded. Beings like Illithids are the ones in need of redemption most of all.

Okay so you're actually just retarded then.

Does anyone has the Codex - Unearthed Arcana 1.2 or later?
Last one I got is 1.1, I'm trying to rewrite it on Homebrewery so I can share here.

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This is how I Redemption Paladin

>>52402528

Like I said here

>>52402290

I actually believe in the concept, I'm just saying nothing about it is not shit to the point where you're simply not a thousand times more efficient at it with a class like the Bard

I said "Why wouldn't you play a Bard instead of a Redemption Paladin", not "Why wouldn't you lpay a Bard instead of a holy warrior who likes to use violence as a last resort"

>>52402630
I've got 1.3 but I'm not sure where to upload it to.

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>>52402620

>if I select just a part of the post and only refer to that, then I can pretend I won an argument on the internet

If that's what gets you off, but I'll have you know that people that paladin like you is the reason why every one else in the game loathes paladins

>>52402657
MEGA or Google Drive should do the trick

>>52402687
>That's also retarded. Beings like Illithids are the ones in need of redemption most of all.
You should kill them anyway, because you have Humility to recognize you do not have the power to save them before they kill countless more people who too deserve a chance at redemption

Okay so you're actually just retarded then.

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What is the purpose of the Champion Fighter?

>>52402702
https://mega.nz/fm/BeAEEZxJ

Never uploaded with Mega so I hope I got this right.

>>52402473
i honestly feel like warlocks are very badly designed, a mix from some invocations being pretty much mandatory for every build ever because they are too good, their unhealthy dependency on eldritch blast and how every other full caster offers a lot more of utility, or at least, better distributed utility.

that without even tackling how some campaigns have no space for short rests, or get long rests too easily, skewing the balance completely off.

>>52402525
Int should be able to do at least something for everyone not a wizard, like dex or wis do. And it's not like Investigation or History are bad skills but everything ever needs and will use Perception, Insight just being bonus to how Wis is the major mental save.

And then well, you have dex, being both a major save, controls AC and Initiative and has good skills like Stealth and Acrobatics.

>>52402721
To be the very best, like no one ever was.

>>52402649
>"Why wouldn't you lpay a Bard instead of a holy warrior who likes to use violence as a last resort"
Because you like Paladin class features better then Bard ones?

>>52402585
It can easily wreck a lot of ToH stuff, I haven't looked at the other adventures yet

>>52402649
>Why wouldn't you play a Bard instead of a Redemption Paladin

Because you want to play a redemption paladin and not a bard?

You might as well ask an eldritch knight why he doesn't just play a wizard.

>>52402687
Not the guy you were responding to, but someone trying to redeem a race of fast breeding insanely powerful brain parasites would be about as irritating as it can get.

The Paladin of "Redemption" really is perfect for a slaver.

I find that fun.

>>52402721

To give grogs the feeling that their ability to play Yatzee is just as valuable as every one else's stake in the hobby, and so they come in to the sessions, and the group can safely face the optimal challenge engagement design of a table of four

>>52402721
To crit.

>>52402744
not him but the link doesn't seem to go off, you have to right click and get the full link with the decrypting key.

but also thanks in advance, i was asking for it a couple of threads ago and no one answered.

>>52402786
That's Conquest

>>52402792
I'm pretty sure Champion is for new players who want an easy role

>>52402768

Fine. Then do it. Just don't do it through the Redemption Paladin.
The concept works, the concept is solid.

If the "redemption" /diplomacy concept is *the* most important concept of your character tho, then you should still seriously consider whether all the paladin features that you really value can't just as well be filled in by the [possibly Valor] bard, who as it stands, is better at it than any other Paladin.

>>52402596
>That's also retarded. Beings like Illithids are the ones in need of redemption most of all.

Illithids can't be redeemed. That's not how the universe works in Wizards Settings. It's fine if you run it differently, but in the normal version of D&D there are creatures that are not mentally capable of thinking in any way but the way they do. Fiends are inherently evil. They've always been evil and they always will be. To ask them to turn good is like asking a dog to stop having four legs, fur, ears, and a snout. It's a physical impossibility.

>>52402797
https://mega.nz/#!oaxxlTyD!Nn-I8NuiT0-fGsnM_LsEpwGleU2Z2mDlxxgonIMb9A4

There we go. I checked and it should work.

Gonna post it here aswell, see if I can get some more tips;

So, we have a SKT game coming up and one of our players is going to do a deep stalker ranger.
I got an idea to do a rogue1/deepstalkerX goblin sidekick, sort of a Igor to Frankenstein type of master-servant relationship.

Is this entirely retarded or feasible?
How the fuck should I go about building this little fucker?

I was thinking maybe doing a deep stalker 3/rogueX to differentiate from the other PC, and using melee as he is using ranged. Thoughts?

>>52402268
>Polearms are for fags
I agree wholeheartedly.

Which race? This might schew your weapon of choice to one option or the other.

>>52402857
it worked, thanks a bunch.

>>52402849

You'd be right if Eludecia and Fall-From-Grace didn't exist

Am sure their are others but I'd have to look

>>52402781

I don't disagree, but that's just what redemption is all about. "Jesus goes to the money lender's house" and all that.

It delves into the pillars of justice and the value of punitive action, who in some ways, mirror the paladin oaths. Deterrent, Retributive, Incapacitating, and Rehabilitative being all examples of it, all of them having conceptual features and drawbacks.

>>52400436
Line of Sight.

No, sex doesn't really work like some manga.

>>52402747
>Int should be able to do at least something for everyone not a wizard, like dex or wis do. And it's not like Investigation or History are bad skills but everything ever needs and will use Perception, Insight just being bonus to how Wis is the major mental save.
This is the simplest fix, I agree. I've started by making Medicine an Intelligence check, because seriously? Why would that be Wisdom? Just because druids can do it doesn't mean that it's governed by druids' main stat, and personally speaking I'd rather have Dr. Frankenstein tending to my wounds than Forrest Gump.

Too bad that none of my players have rolled medicine checks for the last couple years we've been playing, I guess.

>>52402829

I usually give them the Barbarians for that. Sorcerer if they simply must play a spell caster and insist they want to customize everythign

>>52402861
Might as well go three into Rogue for the Mastermind archetype and give him advantage through toadying. I also agree with not just being a mini-me.

>>52402857
Yes, you saved me a lot of work, thank you!

>>52402899
>feign death on wife

>cut her open

>blight fetus

>cast heal to fix wife

>??????

>profit

>>52402649
Because I want to cast spells like Bless, Divine Favor, Protection from Evil and Good, Aura of Vitality, Crusader's Mantle, Daylight, Remove Curse, and Revivify before 10th level.

You know, holy magic. Like a holy man. Unlike a Bard, who plays instruments and is a jack of all trades arcane spellcaster.

>>52403012
Well, yeah. But the other oaths do that better...

So, maybe take one of them, then dip Bard for 3 levels? Get expertise, and Cutting Words for people trying to screw with your Charisma skill checks.

You'll even get a few extra spell slots for good smiting.

And bards gets loads of divine spells. He gets Raise Dead and everything

>>52402847
>The class built completely around diplomacy
>Is better at it than the one built to smite, but gets extra utility ooc

Well no shit Sherlock, Jesus reading your reply chain is painful. We get it you have a boner for bards no one cares, the reason people will play it is flavor and being better at being an LG Paladin or just not wanting to be squishy if shit goes south.

We get it now get a trip so we can filter you.

>>52402861
first thing I thought was "don't cover the exact niche of another player" so yeah at least MC into rogue
might be funny to go full igor and play a barbarian or fighter instead, doubly so if you're a goblin

>>52402948
feign death requires a willing target

>>52403133
So the Redemption Paladin is essentially a Paladin mixed with some bard, and your suggestion is to multiclass Paladin with Bard?

Is your solution to a spellcasting fighter to multiclass wizard?

>>52402920
Was thinking of going atleast 3 into Deep Stalker, could put the rest into rogue- mastermind.
Would be nice to be able to have a 30ft range on the help action.

>>52402186
Movement speed is still no excuse to say that an attack misses.

Otherwise hasted creatures could just ignore pretty much everything they feel like.

I'd say the players feel entitled to do something with their money - if you don't give players something to do with their money, why give them money?

If it is high levels then, eh. They need to suck it up. Still, I'd try to emphasise that their 18 save at least flavour-wise is a bit different. It's a way of saying 'You tried, so here's a consolation prize'. Such as describing how their character almost avoids the effect.

>>52403185
Would it be that hard to get concent from your wife

"Hey wife I need to test a spell on you that requires a willing target"

>>52399391
Honestly, digging this UA. Drunken master is pretty cool, Monster hunter is great for 'fuck this guy in particular', and redemption paladin is totally Book of Exalted Deeds, which was my personal favorite 3.5 splat.

>>52402368
Better to be a warrior in a garden than a gardener in the war.

I could also see this class being someone who fights so others don't have too and against things that cant be reformed i.e. mindless monsters, evil outsiders and fiends

Of both modules (without spoiling either of them) Princes of the Apocalypse versus Out of the Abyss, which one is better or by which aspects?

>>52403259
I guess it depends how you run it
It's unclear if the creature just has to be willing to accept a spell or if they need to know what spell it is or what

>>52403286
Out of the Abyss has an interesting concept and some cool and unique locations and characters but with some weird issues.
Princes of the Apocalypse is a straight dungeon crawler, which some people are really in to.

>>52403303
I'd say that hypothetically if the mechanic works that way this would be the best way to do it

>>52403162
itt:
>"I want to be a champion for the Gods, destroyer of their enemies"
>"Well Timmy, then you want a Devotion Paladin"
>"I want to be a champion of life, destroyer of those who'd sunder it"
>"Well Johnny, then you want a Paladin of the Ancients"
>"I want to be a destroyer of the wicked, punisher of those who hurt the good"
>"That's great Diego, be a Paladin of Vengeance"
>"I don't want to beat up anyone"
>"Oh, ok Michael. Then may I suggest taking a
>"No, I want to be a paladin!"
>"But what if you see someone beating someone up, and you're not good enough to stop them with spell or words? What tools will you use?"
>"I'll just beat'em up!"

I get it, you're not like the other girls, relax.

>>52403189
No, because the Eldritch Knight isn't designed in a retard fashion. It is built in a way so that the spell casting features make sense with the fighter features in a way that ultimately represents the concept of "Martial Guy who spent his resources supplementing the idea of a Martial Guy with the power of Intelectual Magic"

>>52402929
27/106 pages done, then I'll move to the newer UAs.

>>52403286
I prefer OotA because of the more interesting setting and because the book is written better, but both are fine.

PotA is a sandbox with lots of dungeon crawling, while OotA is also sandboxy but its biggest strenghts lie in the quirky characters and cool locations. Both allow the players a fair amount of freedom in which order to tackle most locations.

If we had to put up both modules (without spoiling either of them) Princes of the Apocalypse versus Out of the Abyss, which one is better or by which aspects?

>>52403262

If the metaphor of gardens is to hold, then you surely you understand how the Redemption Paladin is the latter, not the former.

>>52403360
>"But what if you see someone beating someone up, and you're not good enough to stop them with spell or words? What tools will you use?"

It's almost like ethical dilemmas are good for roleplaying.

>>52403360
>Implying you've suggested anything other than "be bard it better"

People have explained it to you in detail why they would play it and all that happens is "well bard is better at it just play that."

Last (you) from me and a little advice not everyone cares about 100% optimization.

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>>52403332
>>52403394
Sorry for the double-post here >>52403395

So, what kind of weird issues does Out of the Abyss have? Can you elaborate on that?

Which ability score modifier do I add to a cook's utensils roll?

>>52403481

It's almost like choosing to be shit at both things equals good role playing?

I mean, why not instead choose to be good at the thing you want to be good at, or god forbid, be not shit at both, in a way that at least mend well together?

Why choose to be crap and then pretend like that's a measure character choice.?

>>52403549
Nothing. Its a Tool proficiency, not a skill proficiency. Regular d20+prof. bonus if your DM actually gives a shit.

>>52403537
It's mostly just the specific thing of spending several months escaping the underdark only to be told "go back and fight this thing" that causes some players to just go "what the fuck, no"

Some people will also really dislike the fact it's basically just a really long hike and that survival mechanics are made important but that's opinion

>>52403549
Either dexterity or intellect or wisdom, but I'd say most of the time it should be intellect.

>>52403549
Just your proficiency modifier.

>>52403481

It's almost like choosing to be shit at both things equals good role playing?

I mean, why not instead choose to be good at the thing you want to be good at, or god forbid, be not shit at both, in a way that at least mend well together?

Why choose to be crap and then pretend like that's a measured character choice?

>>52403496
Because if you're not actually doing the thing you want to do, but are instead doing shit, then you're not doing the thing you want to do, and are therefore not playing at all
You're just shitting. And some people enjoy shitting too, but that doesn't mean it's okay to do it at my table.

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>>52403589

>>52403537
Well I'm not the one who brought up these problems but I will post my own problems I have with OotA.

The first one is that depending on the party you can have MANY NPCs traveling with the party. I think they are fun and bring a totally different dynamic to the game, they slow down combat to a crawl because of so many combatants.

I can't go into much detail on my second problem because of spoilers, but it has something to do with the motivation for the PCs in the second half of the adventure.

>>52403549

Are you trying to recreate a complex recipe? Intelligence
Are you trying to guide yourself through flavor?
Wisdom
Are you trying to lead a team of sub chefs into performing the perfect banquet?
Charisma

Weird question, but relevant to a situation that just came up at the table;

If a Druid wildshapes into a creature physically larger than the structure he's currently inside, what happens?

>>52403615
>>52403591
>>52403575
"Too! use is not tied to
a single ability, since proficiency with a tool represents
broader knowledge of its use. For example, the DM
might ask you to make a Dexterity check to carve a fine
detail with your woodcarver's tools, or a Strength check
to make something out of particularly hard wood."

>>52403655
It keeps growing despite the building. So is a giant whatever stronger than a building?

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>>52403661
Fine, whatever. Cooking is a science, so I say go with Int. If you know the recipe. Otherwise you may have to toss in an extra roll of Wisdom.

>>52403655
I'd assume it just fails.
At least, that's how I'd run it.

>>52403655
Container explodes, con save using new creature's stats and the AC of the container to avoid taking damage equal to the hitpoints of the container (just make things up as appropriate).

Can we talk traveling? I've honestly never really played it as a big theme in my games only because I feel like it tends to get boring. I'm probably just doing it wrong.

I want to try to add a deeper aspect to travel with foraging, tracking, etc being at least SOMEWHAT used. I've just been intimidated to try it I guess. Any suggestions/stories/tips?

I don't want it to be like the fucking Final Fantasy games where players just walk around the mapgrid and every square there is a RNG about what they find. I want it to feel a little more "real" I guess.

>>52403655
Depends on what you want to do as DM, if your willing to roll extra decide roughly how strong the building is then roll damage on it. If it's not enough to break through, or just from the initial force have the druid take damage from being too big for the space.

>>52403575
Clearly you don't give a shit with that anemic understanding of the rules.

>>52403655

It's basically the same question of "What happens when a Druid wildshapes from a fly into a mammoth inside of a creature's stomach"

My houserule: Constitution Save, DC: Spell casting ability modifier; creature is expelled to the nearest unnocupied space that can house, Force Damage (halved on a save) done to both the structure and the druid's new form, a number equal to the number of feet traveled by the druid (similar to Etherealness rules).

It's not perfect, but its what I've got

>>52403738

Yes, but you can't stealth while talking.

>>52403738
Personally I run it as a sort of montage, but as well as random encounters (combat and non-combat) I add skill challenges like crossing rivers and stuff
Just make sure that stuff happens. Banner Saga has some good examples of stuff happening that isn't just a fight.

>tfw asked to DM for a bunch of casuals
>tfw half of them haven't even opened a phb
>rolled for their stats before consulting anyone
>paladin has fucking 20 strength
>too beta to say anything

atleast I don't have to give a shit about providing a quality experience

>>52399391
-Drunken Master
kinda meh, decent thematically I guess.

- Oath of Redemption
I don't think there's a single part of it I like

- Monster Slayer
I actually like it. It hits a spot thematically for me.

>>52403796
Tell them you're using point buy and then create characters with them.
Then just play and make sure you're playing regularly.
My group had little or no RPG experience and now they very rarely need to ask rules questions, they've only been playing a few months.

>>52403692

In many ways, it's just a chemistry check, which is like a Medicine check. I'd say Wisdom is more often than Intelligence.

>>52403789
That's how I normally handle it, via montage but I wanted to add some depth into it. I wanted to bring out some more "Survival" aspects to the game that I feel is being untapped for the most part.

The location of the next dungeon is going to be set in some deepwoods sort of shit and I want them to have to really work at this but I don't want it to fall into some boring grindfest either.

>>52403796
Right, rolling for stats has already given those players a quality experience.

Stat rolling is fine as long as nobody in your group is some sort of autistic power gamer, and you let people use a standard array if they're below a certain threshold. Usually the complainers are the autistic power gamers, annoyed that they can't min/max their builds with point buy. At least in my experience.

>>52403738
Well it all depends on what the players are doing and if they are actually looking for something.

If say they need to find some ruins in the forest that no one has been to in years, make them roll a couple checks, one to see how good of an idea they have of where it might be. Depending on the success of that check can adjust the dc of the survival check to actually traverse the forest.

Another thing I do for traveling is random encounters, I roll a percentile dice and if it's about 50 they run into bandits/monsters/ambush/attacked at night.

Another thing is maybe they run into an NPC that gives them a quest or might help latter on depending on how the party acted.

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>>52403709
You're no fun why don't you want them to have a structure collapse around them?

>>52403738
Doesn't really fit but here we go

Week long journey by airship to an island

Party decides we should have the fighter hook up with the barbarian npc

They think it's a good idea and they go to the lower decks and start having very loud violent sex

MFW

>>52403604
Bards are terrible at being divine spellcasters who rely on radiant damage in battle the fuck are you talking about.

>>52403738
Promote foraging by letting stuff be crafted from the forage.

>>52403789
Seconded.

Random tables are used for improvising. You don't need to roll on them, just peruse them. The DMG has example random encounter tables and Interesting Locals.

>>52403825
It takes weeks to get into the center of these woods. The chances of getting lost are very high unless they prepare.

>>52403692
Int is the very stat you would use to determine whether or not you know the recipe, so a wisdom roll would be after a failed int roll or if you have to improvise, I guess.

Dexterity would be used if you have to carefully cut something up.

Mostly int, though, yes. I think generally tools should run off of int, which should encompass professional knowledge.

>>52403738
I feel the best times for food/water to become relevant are when you have a lot of people or if you're trapped in a dungeon without your supplies or something like that.

It should only be relevant when something major happens to interrupt a 'well, our characters aren't idiots and know to take enough food/drink with that' case.

>>52403825
I've found that once players are mid level or above they consider themselves above wilderness survival.
Why bother worrying about foraging when you have a bag of holding full of rations and waterskins?

>>52403831
Wild Shape is already one of the best class features, it doesn't need additional utility
Also, I have a feeling that most animals are less strong than stone masonry

>>52402290
You know what's ironic about that?
Tranquility Monk is basically a design that lets the Monk be more like a Paladin.

>>52403738
Speaking of, this upcoming session will start with my group on a boat and arriving at a city most likely sooner than later.

I'm afraid my DM will go "So you hop on the boat and now you're there." I don't really want that to happen, since it'll waste valuable character development. Plus I have some brandy I want to share with everyone. Not the Warlock, but I may have to.

>>52403886
Traveling, when you think about it, is probably what the characters spend the majority of their time actually doing. Dungeons are "brief" for the most part in terms of time scale compared to the time it takes to typically reach these locales.

It's why I wanted to add meaningful depth to this without it dragging on and getting stupid.

>>52403873
Seriously it even has a shitty Lay on Hands

>>52403738
Skill Challenges instead of random encounters.

The way I do it is I figure out how dangerous the zone they're going through is. It could be fairly well protected, and the only risk is the chaotic stupid player does something chaotic stupid to disrupt someone's provincial life. It could be they're going through mordor.

Either way, I'll use the skill challenge as a way to frame their journey, dividing the journey up into 3-7 phases, depending on length of journey and how hard I want it to be. In each phase, the party will be presented with some sort of obstacle or opportunity.

The important bit is scaling each. For instance, in the easy journeys, where an encounter doesn't really make sense, the opportunity might be just a town on the way there, which they can meat some characters.

For foraging, tracking, etc, these can all be obstacles that can fit within the frame.

>>52403886
This is another thing traveling can bring about, more chance for PC interaction in game. Also if the DM tries that say "I actually wanted to do something" and start it up yourself.

>>52403852
I think that this progression is part of dnd. Overworld travel can be dangerous to low level characters because of supplies and encounters with wild beasts, bandits, babarians etc.
But once they are high enough they overcame these challenges and feel stronger without even having to fight. I just tend to tell them that they got attacked by wolfes for example but the party managed to fend them off without even using any resources

>>52403909
It's actually twice as good as lay on hands.

>>52403886
When I'm running stuff like this I always like to play out a short scene of something like the party talking around a campfire or while they're eating.
It's a good way to give a bit of depth to NPCs too, because a lot of the time players will only see their combat stats.
Swapping stories is good for the players and the DM.

>>52403913
Sounds like a decent idea. My first real attempt at doing this got bogged down with stupid encounters that, admittedly, were just boring. The first encounter was fun and everyone enjoyed it but by the third we all agreed it wasn't working.

I'm hoping to try and redeem myself here a little bit and I like this idea of there being skill checks to some puzzle or problem along the way.

>>52403870
Oh fuck off with your retarded notions of balance. I bet you think martials are fine.

>>52403938
...what?
Are you saying Wild Shape needs improvement?

>>52400474
This

People either play the race as a bundle of stats and don't roleplay the race correctly or play them simply to be dickass kleptos which is again, not roleplaying the race correctly.

>>52403870
It was never implied to be stone anon. A lot of things are stronger than wooden planks

>>52403938
>he thinks martials are underpowered
>also wants more utility for druids
???

>>52403958
>>52403955
GOD DAMN IT IM NOT HAVING ANOTHER DRUID FIGHT IN THESE GOD DAMN THREADS

>>52403907
Such is the life of a murder-hobo.

Not everyone is in it for the story.

>>52403922
I'm actually thinking about shooting the DM an email. Last session ended pretty late since we wanted to finish off the boss fight fast. In one minute we basically ended the fight, traveled 5 miles and verified the direction we wanted to go. While that was all good for DM's planning, we didn't have much time to interject... And we weren't thinking straight anyway.

I was thinking about telling him "Before we head off, these are some quick things I wanted to do" and list some stuff off. Like picking up this item, and checking out one object. I also want to pet a Blink Doge.

>>52403931
Look up the 4e rules on it (I know, I know, >4e). They got into a bit more depth on how to run this sort of thing than 5e does.

>>52403955
When people say "structure" and they're talking about D&D, I assume things like castles or dungeons.
Either way, I'd still run it like I said and say you can't transform unless you have room.

>>52403835

That spellcasters who rely on radiant damage in battle is a retarded way to go at building a combat pacifist character.

I'm just pointing out that the option is there, don't be mad at me that Wizards didn't give you a character that actually gets viable bonuses to your diplomacy attempts, or that gets empowered by violence upon pacifists

You could have done this shit in many ways, like "Your faith in peace protects you, add your Charisma to your armor class when unarmored" or reaction options that make it worth sacrificing an opportunity attack that won't punish someone who chooses to stop engaging in battle, like I don't know, being able to Lay on Hands an adjacent ally.

Instead you (in general) got shit, and are sticking up for shit for reasons that are beyond me.
Don't you think you deserve better?

>>52403925
Lay on hands is significantly more versatile but whatever.

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>>52403976
I'm fortunate enough in that I run two different campaign groups.

The first group is small, 3 players, and they are all about deep roleplay and character development.

The second group enjoys character develop but they want to roll some dice and kill some shit too. However, this is the group that I want to try and add some more travel depth into. I think giving them a chance to explore the fun of character roleplay might open up some new doors.

This isn't a complaint, I'm glad actually to have two different groups and I'm glad that "murderhobo" doesn't exist. If anything, my first group of more "hardcore roleplayers" can actually be more frustrating because they tend to really take advantage of NPC's in terms of Persuasion/deception especially now that one of them is a Mystic.

>>52403991
>>52403928
fug, meant to quote

>>52403976
Definitely give him a heads up then, it'll make it easier in case he wants to jump over it.

>>52403738
when i dm i make a bunch of event tables and have them roll upon it every day they are traveling through the overworld, obviously, every area has different events and they can also trigger the events directly if they know where stuff is. if some of the events had to happen for the plot to progress, every time they didn't get it, it would become more likely for it to happen. also some events were either foreshadowing for future events or place for them to return in the future, after other stuff in the plot happened.

given, i was a huge ass about exhaustion and rations and battle was harsh as fuck, so my time as a dm was rather short with much of my world ending unexplored.

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>>52403991
>not including the best character of the series.

>>52403986
It's exactly the same except you have twice as many points and you can use it in the middle of flurry of blows.

>>52403985
>That spellcasters who rely on radiant damage in battle is a retarded way to go at building a combat pacifist character.

Yes, a man dressed in leather armor playing the flute is much better at it.

>>52403958
>>52403945
I want every class to be better. Right now every class is balanced around doing something mildly cool once per day (if you're lucky), and then doing fuck all except cast cantrips or attack the rest of the day. It's boring as fuck.

Druids getting to explode things with their wildshape bumps them up to twice as many cool things per day, which is a good start in my book. But the second you suggest any improvements to a class, balancefags come around from the Morello school of game design and complain.

>>52404015
He's the one holding the camera.

>>52404024
nobody is arguing how serious or sensible the concept is, it's the mechanical execution that's bad

>>52404017
Oh yeah, fuck. What were they thinking

>>52404041
you're going to take this as sarcasm, but you should play 4e

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>>52403999
How could I forget Nu?

>>52404013
Hahaha see I don't want it to be overkill.I want to add in exhaustion, rations, etc because that gives the game some more depth you know? It makes getting from Point A to Point B a little more interesting. In LoTR, the journey was half the adventure ,you know?

I'm hoping to bring more of that element into the game but I want it done without it devolving into an endless grind where it takes two sessions to get to where they want to go. That just isn't fun for anybody.

>>52404041
Oh it's you again. Good.

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My players are gonna be basic grunts in an army about to hit a meatgrinder (we're between campaigns and looking for a funny grimderp session). I'm planning on handing them NPC guard stats for their characters so we can literally tpk multiple times in a night without slowing down.

What sort of extra shit should I still give them to keep things exciting and fresh? Pic vaguely related.

>>52404043
Who let Sandal Feddic hold a camera?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SnGqeVoUBnM

>>52404058
I don't take it as sarcasm. It's good advice. 4e is fundamentally the better balanced and more fun game.

The problem is that 5e has way more potential the 4e. 5e's framework for classes is cooler, it's just the classes themselves don't use that framework to be fun.

>>52403983
Had a druid that got mad because I let them wild shape, but because the area they were in was too small and was solid stone they took damage and could barely move.

I had explained they were in a stone cell with no windows and from what they could gather it was underground. The bars and stone were simply stronger than them expanding.

>>52403985
>You could have done this shit in many ways, like "Your faith in peace protects you, add your Charisma to your armor class when unarmored" or reaction options that make it worth sacrificing an opportunity attack that won't punish someone who chooses to stop engaging in battle, like I don't know, being able to Lay on Hands an adjacent ally.
I was going to call you faggot, but now I get it

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>>52404077
siege engines and random potions

>>52403231
>if you don't give players something to do with their money, why give them money?
This is what I've been wondering lately. If they so strongly discouraged magical items being available in shops, what exactly else is there besides narrative expenditures?

>>52404077
Plan a bunch of set pieces.
What kind of enemy are they fighting?
Enemies that can cause huge structural damage and take out swathes of people like dragons or giants could be fun.

>>52404072
by the end of my run, i had to tweak the rest mechanics because they weren't working at all for me.

i ended up making short rests 8 hours and long rests only at towns but with the option to use hit die to get spell slots back or remove exhaustion. also giving them exp per event regardless of the outcome, so they didn't have to force combat or getting something out of having to run away and so on.

>>52404087
I actually like 4e quite a bit but you're missing my implication that you should be playing 4e because 5e isn't for you

>>52404103
Buy a castle or something that's always fun.

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>>52404024
>implying you can't go around punching everyone and still be a pacifist

>>52404116
No, I disagree with that implication. Like I said, the fundamental framework is good, and it's easy enough to fix.

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>>52404125
That is the true way of the paciFIST.

>>52404072
for a lotr type campaign, I'd run it with set points of interest, and skill based checks that can increase or decrease exhaustion levels between those points of interest.

You need some force chasing them too, or a time constraint, to keep them from simply resting off the exhaustion.

>>52404102
Oooh I hadn't thought of that! They LOVE collateral damage.

>>52404104
I was hoping there'd be a mix of enemy types. I do know I want to have them get ambushed alot, especially by swarms of entrenched crossbows (with a commissar behind them).

I like the idea that they are "pacifying" a small town when all hell breaks loose.

>>52404168
>You need some force chasing them too, or a time constraint
This is a great idea actually!!

>>52403985
>You could have done this shit in many ways, like "Your faith in peace protects you, add your Charisma to your armor class when unarmored"

They get 16 AC plus Dex when unarmored. Bards also don't get that.

>or reaction options that make it worth sacrificing an opportunity attack that won't punish someone who chooses to stop engaging in battle, like I don't know, being able to Lay on Hands an adjacent ally.

Bards don't get this either so I don't see how they're that much of an improvement.