What would a campaign setting inspired by Aztec Mythology be like?

>>52389113
Bloody.

>>52389113
https://www.wikiwand.com/en/Human_sacrifice_in_Aztec_culture#/Sacrifices_to_specific_gods

Like a normal D&D game unless the GM played up the aztec aspects of the culture *really* hard.

>>52389113
It would involve the PCs taking a lot more prisoners that's for sure
the gods need blood to fight off the end of the world and who better to be the supply

>>52389113
Lots of blood and cannibalism.

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>>52389113
Bloody enough to make Berserk look like a children's book

Also Mesoamerican myth is weird

>>52389708
Cannibalism no, blood yes.
Not saying no Aztec ever ate a human, I'm saying eating people is not part of their culture any more than it is in Western cultures.

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>>52389732
> tfw aztec religion makes it acceptable for you to demand fatter bitches, and fuck the female versions of the gods
H o l y s h i t how is this NOT a harem anime?
Bonus points for conquistador-chan and missionary-chan competing for MC's interests and trying to 'convert' him.

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Will there be cute jaguarboys?

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Lots and lots of sacrifices.

The gods needs a lot of blood.

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>>52389792
I forgot pic

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>>52389741
Not that uncommon.

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>>52389761

>>52389741
[citation needed]

those jungle niggers were still scalping each other 200 years ago, are you serious

>>52389866
Dragon maid was not enough antics for me. I require more haremshit to salve the hole inside me

>>52389873
There ain't no real conclusion as to the extent of their cannibalism. They did it, yes, but whether everybody did it or whether it was just a ritual in their religion or whether the poor did it out of desperation is still up for debate. Especially considering all of the sources came from Europeans or from the natives the Aztecs conquered, who had a great host of reasons for making the Aztecs look as awful as possible.

>>52389741

Them aztecs ate all their sacrifices anon.

They rolled the heartless body down the steps of the temple, where it was torn to shreds by the populace and eaten, believing it blessed them.

>>52389945
WE

>>52390032
ARE

>>52389761
>implying conquistador-chan and/or missionary-chan have butts four handspans wide
sticcs get out

>>52389741
"Aztecs" (Mexica and Nahua) didn't eat anything other than one single heart in one single sacrifice a year. But Chichimeca were actively cannibalistic.

Pretty much every modern mexican dish that is "traditionally" made of pork, used to be made of people.

>>52389844
My favorite Mesoamerican God is Xochipilli, His name means Flower Prince and his domains were art, games, beauty, dance, flowers, song, homosexuality, and male prostitutes.

He's often depicted with hallucinogenic plants and in a position that resemble tripping.

This dude is the God of Gay Bars.

>>52389945
>whether the poor did it out of desperation
What poor? Bernal Diaz narrates during the spaniards' stay in Tenochtitlan they were gifted more food and supplies that they had ever seen before and the city didn't look strained at all from their godly atms.

Anybody know the name of that monster made out of a dead mom with the stillborn child hanging from her cooch?

>>52389113
Killing hostages and wearing their skin for XP is lawful good if it's performed solemnly and in-season.

>>52389741
Reminder that the Anglos raided egyptean tombs for the human beef jerkey stored therein.

>>52390366
t. Frenchman

>>52390032
WUZ

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>ctrl+F 'jojo'
>0 results
Really now?

>>52389113
Read the myths, make a campaign and see for yourself, you stupid cunt.
Oh, right - you would have to read more than bunch of posts, shock and horror!

>>52391229
But if we know the answer, why the fuck is it wrong for him to ask?

>>52391888
Autists getting mad about autists not wanting to be around people?

This is getting uncomfortably meta.

>>52390125
X'taby maybe or something like that. X'tabey lives in caves and steals kids souls

>>52389113

Okay, its disappointing how little anyone in this thread actually seems to know about the Aztecs beyond HURR DURR SACRIFICES.

Here is what you need to know, OP: the Aztecs believed they were the last remaining descendants of the chosen people, and the only ones left who could save the world.

The world had already ended 4 times before, each time destroying the 'people' of that age with a unique calamity and paving the way for new life. Floods and shit like that.

Our world already has an ending written for it. Eventually the sun god will die and the world will plunge into eternal night. In the darkness, monsters will descend from the stars and devour what walks the Earth. We dont know what, or if, the world that follows will be like.

Aztec rituals are designed to buy us more time before this happens, usually by feeding the sun god, or generally check up on the health of the world. There is a fire ritual that they would do that asks if the world can end in the next 33 years. Not will or wont, but can or cannot.

>>52395812
They had nationalized schooling, universal mandatory military service and a meritocratic system of climbing the socio-economic ladder.

Really, if the Spaniards hadn't destroyed them, the Anglos would have thrown themselves against their Empire year after year until either of them was finally dead on the ground.

>>52395966
>>52395812
Any every other fucking tribe around them hated them and wanted them dead. They were a great Empire but it was doubtful they would have gone any further, lacking work animals

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>>52390945

They wuz mayans and shit.

>>52389844
Is yacatecuhtli carrying a cross on his back?

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It would be a breath of fresh fucking air.

>>52389866
I don't speak Spanish, what the fuck does the third and fourth panel say?

>>52395812
Does it really surprise you at this point? Historical discussion of any sort in 4chan always gets ruined by obnoxious /pol/ kiddies who contribute nothing but think they're the funniest people alive because of repeating stale memes

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>>52398271
>le /pol/ boogeyman

>>52398163
>Do you choose Olga, the heretic girl captured in Flanders to be your spouse?
>Or does Your Grace choose the princesses Xochitl, Andina, Araucana, Amazonica, Quechua and Azteca among others, recently christianized and cleansed from sin?

It's extremely outdated Spanish so that may be why you can't read it. It's about the equivalent to Elizabethan English

>>52398389
It's always /pol/tards that start with this shit. You're not fooling anyone. Alternatively it's people from /int/ or /tv/, which is either just as bad or worse

>>52395966
>>52396080
They had no wheel, shipbuilding, animal domestication, or metallurgy. They were fucked even without disease.

>>52389113
Cosmic Horror. The whole idea behind human sacrifice is that human blood is the only thing that keeps the god's powers running, and the god's powers are the only thing keeping thousands of titanic skeletal demonic horrors from descending upon the world and devouring it.

DnD style empowerment fantasies would be a poor taste for this setting. A more survival horror type deal where the players have to decide to so some shitty things for the greater good, all while never really knowing whether or not what they're doing is enough.

I'd play it with the looming threat of universal annihilation being ever-present. Maybe something that's part of the skyline? A hole in reality, a planetoid-sized monster slowly approaching. They're soldiers/elite warriors from one of many kingdoms, and must make sacrifices to their gods regularly. I'd put them in situations where they may not want to kill these people. Won't work for a party of murderhobos but people who get into it will end up alone with a little orphan child and the ritual knife. They can, of course, choose not to. At first it seems like there's no effect. But every now and then something big gets through and they have to fight it off (preferably with heavy casualties) and wonder if they could have prevented all this.

>>52398696
>Delta Green in pre-Columbian America
FUND IT

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Naya.

>>52389113
Wasn't the whole point of Aztec Mythology to ensure that unfathomable, gigantic skeletal demonic horrors from the darkness, don't descend and devour the entire universe? That would probably be what the setting revolves around.

>>52389844
>Huehueteotl

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>>52389844
>TFW you worship the god Painal

Can we have xoloitzcuintls?

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>>52389113
Depends on the time of year

>>52389761
>modern ideas of sanitation

The Aztecs actually had phenomenal sanitation systems, and put an extreme emphasis on personal hygiene. Everybody bathed regularly, and canals, aqueducts and dykes controlled fresh water supplies into the city while sewage canals brought wastewater far out into the lake they built their city on.

In fact, the Aztecs pretty much scrubbed and bathed the Spaniards when they first arrived and showered them with incense, not because they thought they were holy, but because they were, to their standards, absolutely filthy and rank.

Source: The fucking Spanish who wrecked the place. Part of their enthusiasm for sacking Tenochtitlan was the fact that it was far more ornate and complex (from a city design standpoint) than anything they had ever seen in Spain, and by extension held fabulous amounts of wealth to plunder.

>>52389741
NAhuatl and Mexica nobles would regularly eat bread dipped in human blood, and have their meat dishes flecked with human blood, because it purified the food in the eyes of the Gods.

While they didn't necessary eat the whole thing (though some tribes absolutely did) they still ate people.

>>52402480
>Quetzalcoatl
>sacrifice of a maid
uh oh

>>52389945
>They did it, yes, but whether everybody did it or whether it was just a ritual in their religion or whether the poor did it out of desperation is still up for debate.

The Spanish almost sacked Tenochtitlan on the spot when a priest of Tezcatlipoca offered the visiting Spaniards and their allied Indian nobility bread dipped in the flesh of a sacrificed young girl (they literally sacrificed her in front of them). The Indians accepted the offering, while the Spaniards basically went ballistic and had to be talked down by Cortez from drawing swords and getting themselves killed (they were in the very center of the city with little more than an honor guard).

>>52390366
Also made paint and "medicine" out of them.

>>52398566
>They had no wheel, shipbuilding, animal domestication, or metallurgy. They were fucked even without disease.

Let's go line by line here:

>no wheel

They had wheels, and knew how to make them. The thing was that they lacked any sort of draft animals to pull things, and it's not like they lacked in the labor department. Just have the literal hundreds of slaves you would own (as a minor noble) carry all your shit.

Not saying it wouldn't have been useful, but the advantages were not as immediately obvious nor were they as ultimately advantageous as they were in Old World societies where things labor could be multiplied further with draft animals.

>shipbuilding

Why did they need anything but canoes? They had all of Mexico to conquer, and there was (to their knowledge) fuck-all in either ocean to the east or west of them. Ship-building for sea trade was pointless and a waste of money when there were perfectly exploitable societies next door.

>animal domestication

I don't think you understand how animal domestication works, anon. Animal domestication requires both a need and an animal that possesses all the necessary traits to be domesticated. Virtually none of them in Mexico had those characteristics, and those that did were virtually useless in comparison to things like horses or cattle.

They also did have dogs, which they used as food sources or hunting aids. They were much, much smaller than European dogs, however (about 1/3 of the size according to the Aztecs who got a taste of European war hounds) and therefore not good for much else other than companionship and ratting.

> metallurgy.

They literally made entire stairways out of gold and silver, and had copper and bronze tools.

Focusing on iron-working made no sense to them, because Obsidian cut so goddamn well and was plentiful enough that attempting to utilize iron-working (which virtually no Old World society did by themselves save the first, who I believe were the Hittites, maybe?)

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>>52403373
>Sacrifice of a maid; of boy and girl
>of boy

>>52400116
Also some of those demons had rattlesnakes for penises. Aztec Mythology was weird.

>>52403552
While you are almost 100% correct and they had no reason to develop any of those things (excpt ships, which would have been useful for trade up and down the coasts as opposed to using 100 slaves to walk your goods through the jungle), Azteca swords were large carved sticks with obsidian teeth, because they didn't invent armor.
this is the peak of their military technology.
Do you really think that they would have survived a real military campaign against any of the European powers? Cortez had 2000 soldiers and a deadline of about 4 years before he was arrested and brought back to Spain for hanging, and he managed to utterly destroy the Azteca and by extension severely destabilize all of Mexico.

>>52397907

>we wuz spess feathered sneks ese

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>>52398389
>we'll pretend we're not from /pol/!
It doesn't take a genius or conspiracy theorist to see all the tired /pol/ shitposting about sjw marxists and inferior savages and connect the dots.

>>52403808
That was mostly because everyone else in the region was sick of their shit and it barely took any effort to get them to side with the spaniards

>>52403808
>because they didn't invent armor.
They had pretty thick cloth armor, and Mayan cloth armor was actually arrow-proof at everything but point-blank range.

It wasn't perfect by any means, but it was effective enough that many Conquistadors exchanged their metal armor for the cloth armor when fighting Indians because it was almost as effective while weighing maybe a third of the weight and being far more breathable.

Another advantage of obsidian was that it literally never dulls - it shatters into sharper (but smaller) fragments, so unlike metal tools it never needs resharpening, and replacing teeth is as simple as sewing new chunks of obsidian into the blade.

It's not the equal to an iron sword, but it's also far from useless.
>this is the peak of their military technology.

It's able to cut off a horses head in a single blow, which both the Spanish and Aztec verified. That's still pretty ded killy.

They also made use of mass slingers, who were hugely effective at stopping the Spanish by making a literal hail of bone-shattering stones that horses would not charge through and men would get beaten to death trying to charge in. These slingers can literally shatter bones in modern replications at distances of less than 50yds, and they were fielded in mass formations numbering in the thousands at once by Aztec warlords.

>Do you really think that they would have survived a real military campaign against any of the European powers?

They had Cortez on the complete backfoot until after his execution of Montezuma, and even then the only reason the Aztecs didn't slaughter each and every Spaniard as they fled across the bridge to the mainland was because the Aztec generals lost control and their men focused on slave-taking rather than killing.

>Cortez had 2000 soldiers

And 30,000-50,000 Indian auxiliaries that new the foe and the land.

>and he managed to utterly destroy the Azteca

20% Spanish tech
30% Smallpox
30% Indian allies
20% Cortez being HAM

>>52395812
t. Aztecaboo

>>52404579
>actually knowing something about a culture other than a 10th-grade level understanding of half its culture strictly in relation to European culture makes you a [x]aboo

You know, history was actually pretty fucking complicated, especially the conquest of the New World.

Part of what made the Conquest of Mexico so incredibly ridiculous is that it simply should not have been possible (see >>52404554). The Spaniards had a significant tech advantage, but their advantage was nowhere near as wide as people think it was, and they were nearly routed to pieces on multiple occasions. The only reason the Spanish didn't get slaughtered to a man is basically because Hernan Cortez was brilliant in strategy, tactics, and hand-to-hand combat, and knew how to play various Indian nations against one another to basically conquer an entire civilization that should have, by all rights, chewed him up and spit him out as a sacrifice to Tlaloc. He was just THAT GOOD, and that's something the overwhelming majority of Eurocentricists miss and instead write off the New World as being either poor, pitiful natives who never stood a chance at best or as devil-worshipping sub-human savages who deserved everything they got at the worst, without knowing a damn thing about what actually happened - all the while ignoring the complete irony that the "superior tech" argument actually makes the Europeans look more incompetent and less "superior" than the reality of the situation.

>>52404707
>Hernan Cortez was literally CREEEEEEEEEED in real life.

Holy shit, reality is truly stranger than fiction.

>>52404707
Okay, now I'm not sure whether you are cute Aztecaboo or Spaniard who overhypes the other side to autofellate himself in the process.

>>52404889
Okay, then enlighten us on what the Aztecs "actually" were.

>>52389113
>When OP, who is a fucking scumshit secondary bitch who didn't play 2e to know the fucking Aztec Pantheons are a thing

NIGGER THERE IS A VAMPIRE MANBAT CLERIC OF THAT BAT OLMEC GUY FUCK YOU.

>>52404889
> Aztecaboo or Spaniard who overhypes the other side to autofellate himself in the process.

A. I'm a different poster from the first guy.

B. I fucking hate Spain with a passion, because you can legitimately lay 90% of the problems of the Western Hemisphere at the feet of Spain, especially south of the Rio Grande.

However, I am a student of history, and understand that not only was the Triple Alliance a highly complex society that had, in the words of the Spaniards themselves, many own marvels and wonders the likes of which Europeans had never seen (and don't even get me started on the Inka), but Hernan Cortez was pretty much the entire reason the Conquest was successful (In addition to Moctezuma II being a punk bitch because "waaaahh my brother died and I don't get to be a priest anymore"). As much bad shit as he did, and as foolish as his exploits into China would prove to be, the man worked miracles time and again on the battlefield, and was smart as fuck in how he managed to turn a cradle of humanity with roughly 3M people into it into a massive cauldron of King-Of-The-Temple and emerge victorious with less than 500 regulars and 200 African slave troops (yes, Cortez used Africans, and the Africans fought because they hated Indians too).

You don't have to like a guy to respect his skills at everything but governing.

The modern-day equivalent of the Conquest would be a single Speztnas team conquering all of Britain by turning the Welsh, Scots, Irish, Catholics, and non-ethnic minority groups against the English and slaughtering them all, blowing up the Chunnel because "fuck you," then making the entire British Empire a Russian protectorate with with the Team Leader as a mini-King.

Is that a jojo reference?

>>52390583
KINGS

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>>52407822

>>52389614
>https://www.wikiwand.com/en/Human_sacrifice_in_Aztec_culture#/Sacrifices_to_specific_gods
>Some captives were sacrificed to Tezcatlipoca in ritual gladiatorial combat. The victim was tethered in place and given a mock weapon. He died fighting against up to four fully armed jaguar knights and eagle warriors.

Thats fucking PC material if I ever saw it.

>>52389732
Source on the book?

>>52390191
Is this what they wear in battle? Interesting. Why the funny looking jump suits?

>>52389113
We played a BPRD campaign who's final boss was Quetzalcoatl. Ended up (with my desk jocky shitty sorc who's only saving grace was that he was the BEST translator) threatening him with the extinction of his followers and the removal of all knowledge of his existence if he didn't cut his Nazi Aztec gold scheme out.

Helped i was flanked by an ancient Cherokee god of fire and OWLMAN.

Good times.

>>52409031
Reminder that they escalated those fights, so he had already defeated at least sixteen warriros before they brougth on the 8 vs 1.

Also he had won his freedom well before that point already, because jeez, that's more than enough blood for the gods and shit. But he was like: "Nah dudes, Immana die for the gods and become the pretty little hummingbird TODAY. BRING MORE WARRIORS!"

>>52389873
Aztecs didn't live in the jungle, you illiterate lackawit

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>>52391888
Because I don't know what he likes, how he runs his games and what his players like or what game they are playing at all. Just because I know the myths - or as much as survived out of them - and are more or less familiar with the basis for the setting due to my education doesn't mean I can answer his question.

>>52404397
>mexican furries

>>52403808
He used 100s of 1000s of extra troops from nearby tribes, and used disease to wipe out a lot of the opposition. The Aztecs were also crippled with bad leadership. Take those away and yeah I think they could hold. Especially in the numbers euros could send. In the end they would have picked up enough of the other things they lacked.

>>52404554
>30% Indian allies

More like 70% indian allies, 10% because maintaining Spaniards didn't put any serious pressure on their communities when you compared it to their battle value, 10% indecisive and slow Aztec leadership.

Cortez' diplomacy is very much overrated. He could only communicate with the Americans through Simon-Says and the Spaniard's basic tactic when it came to diplomacy came down to "make funny spaniard noises and take hostages if they don't hand over food and send you guides. If taking hostages don't work, kill hostages until food is forthcoming."

>>52404889
Think of it like this:
1. The only reason Spaniards ever got anywhere in the first place, is that permanent warfare and artificial states create a lot of long term spite

2. Without any of the disease, there would be no depopulation and no GREAT CONQUISTA after disease had claimed most of the population

3. They had achieved a cultural allied victory before the plagues really hit. Without that, they could never have expand inland.

>>52389980

F9W9N9B9

>>52413022
>He could only communicate with the Americans through Simon-Says

He actually made pretty heavy use (literally and sexually) of Malinche, who spoke Nahuatl and Spanish because she was a former Mexican mainlander who was sold into slavery by other Indians to the Spanish, then escaped back to Mexico (only to become Cortez's translator/sex-toy/secratary)

>and the Spaniard's basic tactic when it came to diplomacy came down to "make funny spaniard noises and take hostages if they don't hand over food and send you guides. If taking hostages don't work, kill hostages until food is forthcoming."

Cortez's diplomacy was "good" in that he was very keen on recognizing exactly how far he could push each tribe, which tribes could be bought, which tribes could be outright intimidated, and which tribes needed to be brutally put down in order to show the rest who's boss.

Yes, their methods were pretty simple, their application of their methodology was actually pretty well thought out.

>>52389900
D-did they really built it like a fucking Temple Matroshka?

>>52422309

From what I understand, every time they wanted to build a bigger temple, the just constructed it on top of the old one.

The one Cortez saw is long gone, but you can still see the ruins of the more ancient ones in Mexico City.

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>>52398736
>>52398696
Can we go back to discussing Cosmic Horror in an Aztec setting instead of this whole Aztec history thing? It's interesting, but it's kinda detracting from the original purpose of the thread.

>>52422710
Ah, so it wasn't on purpose, gotcha. I was thinking like Troy. The one Homer wrote about was like, the ninth one, built upon the remains of the other eight.
Humans do love sequels, don't they?

>>52422753
Well, there are monsters and such.
You see how Tezcatlipoca here >>52389844 has a strange foot?
He lost it to a sea monster.
At the beginning, there was no world, only a vast sunless sea.
The gods decided to make the world, but there was nothing to build it upon. So they convinced him to use his foot to bait the great water monster whose name I don't recall.
He bit it, but they slayed it.
From its corpse dry land was build.
Its veins became rivers
Its bones became mountains
Its guts became the caverns that lead to the underworld, to Mictlán.
Oh, and Tezcatlipoca was missing a foot so they made him a replacement.

>>52422798
I remember that and I also remember that it had wounded one of the gods, Didn't know his name though. The creature in question also resembled a bizarre mixture between a crocodile, an insect, and other forms of assorted sea life. It was very weird.

>>52422798
Also, don't forget that the moon is heavily cratered because the flesh of the lesser god that sacrificed itself to form it had horrible acne. Thus, the pockmarks.

>>52423035
Cipactli

There's Tekumel although it's also heavily influenced by Indian culture and science fiction.

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>>52409135

To get jaguar powers, obviously.

>>52424257
Dread Cipactli, as I referred to him in a thing I was once writing. I couldn't find a consistent description of him, though, so I just made him a 4/5ths "furry" (no actual fur, of course) giant crocodile monster with a huge, colorful parrot-feather headdress. And extra mouths at the elbows, knees, palms, shoulders, hips, and feet.

I also had an ongoing thing where no one could pronounce his name right: Kee-pak-tlee, Quee-pak-tilly, Kih-pak-tlay, Quill-pact-lee, Too-pac-shah-koor, and so on.

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>>52409135
>Why the funny looking jump suits?
Power's all in the costume. Why else would we run around in spotted undies?

>>52425263
I'd pronounce it Seepaktlee, but I don't know how fucked up the translation is by the C.

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>>52404397
>>52398508
>Connect the dots

Uh-huh. You sure are trying a little too hard to fit in, Reddit.

>>52398566
They didn't need any of those to surpass Egypt and Greece.
If they had the need to try harder America would look much different nowadays.

>>52398696
Ideally it should feel more like a Vampire: the Masquerade game on the brink of Gehenna than the tired as fuck "epic Lovecraftian adventure" that's spread so thin nowadays.

>>52402480
Tlaloc was an asshole.
>inb4 it rains forever

>>52404554
>Slingers in formations
Now I *know* you're lying.

And the idea that some of the latest plate armour ever made was only slightly more effective than cloth is something I very much doubt. Cloth being lighter and cooler enough that soldiers would risk it, sure, but almost as effective, I doubt it.

>>52403552
They didn't think the wheel was anything but a children's toy because Tenochtitlan was literally bronze-age Venice and rafts were infinitelly better than carts.

>>52403373
>sacrifice of a maid

The monsters, those fucking monsters.

>boy-maids

Oh well, at least they had refined tastes in maids.

>>52403808
Aztec warfare wasn't developed to kill, it was developed to maim so you could sacrifice your captured properly. Other mexican contemporaries did develop the war bow, cloth armor and iron weapons.

The Aztec lost because of religon and illness.

One thing I always liked about Aztec myth is that the gods aren't, strictly speaking, evil.

It's just that they physically NEED human blood and sacrifice in order to live!!

Likewise, humanity NEEDS the gods to sacrifice themselves to bring the earth rain, sun, crops, etc.

Humans sacrifice themselves for the gods and the gods in turn sacrifice themselves for the humans. Humans and gods become two co-dependent species, each needing the self sacrifice of the other to live, and each giving sacrifice to ensure the other side keeps sacrificing too.

The gods and mortals of the setting have an interesting and unique relationship and dynamic. I've always thought that detail alone would make an interesting setting!!

>>52404707
If Cortez had been English instead of Spanish, his mug would be all over the world's paper money and his name would overshadow Napoleon's in military history.

You know it's true.

>>52422757
It kinda is. The temple is inside, the thing at the top is a meeting room for politicians. And inside the temple layer was a catacombs layer. And Inside those three layers was the previous temple's three layers.

>>52429314

Quilted cloth armor was heavier than plate, man.

>>52429314
They didn't need to be "almost as effective". Remember that Aztec armor had to face stone and wood weapons. Plate armor was an overkill.

>>52389732
Is four hand spans wide thicc enough for u?

>>52395812
This. The Aztec world had ended and been remade four times already, by flooding and a rain of fucking fire and I dont remember the other ones. Ollin Tonatiuh, the fifth sun, is supposed to end in earthquakes.

You can make a very metal campaign out of this.

>>52398428
If he doesn't speak spanish, chances are he doesn't speak 16th century spanish either.

>>52405468
Then again, he saved himself a lot of trouble when by pure chance he found de Aguilar to translate mayan to them.

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How about something like this??

Ages ago, our ancestors gave their blood for the gods, nourishing them. In return and thanks, the gods gave us their divine blood, nourishing us, manifesting as the rains, the sun, bountiful harvest, success in battle, and an eternal life in the heavens after death. We were Those Who Fed The Gods, the Chosen Ones. We kept the world going.

Then came the Deceivers. Most of those who remained true to the gods view them with hatred, but truly I can only muster pity. I believe they truly believed their own lies, that they thought what they were doing was right. Thus, I can only pity them for what they brought upon themselves. Of course, that does not undo the damage they wrought.

The Deceivers said our religion was a lie. That our gods were, at best, non-existent and we offered our blood in vain, or, at worse, they were cruel demons, who demanded our blood even though they needed it not. They spoke convincingly and we, as a whole, and to our shame, believed them.

What fools we were.

The first to die was the Goddess of the Maguey, and her plants withered and died. The priests urged the people to take this as a warning of the great hardship that they were bringing upon the world, but the Deceivers merely accused our priests of using their magic to curse the crops, and accused us of lying and trying to deceive. As the Deceivers grew more popular and vocal, the priests grew hated and despised.

Then died the God of War, and our old empire fell, defeated and partitioned by invading nations. And again, the Deceivers laid upon us the blame.

Then died the God of Spring, and the earth became cold, the changing of the seasons ceased. And again, the Deceivers laid upon us the blame.

Then died the God of Maize, and his crops withered as well. And again, the Deceivers laid upon us the blame.

(1/2)

>>52430874

Then died the Goddess of Heaven, and the angry spirits of the dead began to haunt the land with no one to care for them. And again, Deceivers laid upon us the blame.


Then died the God of Rain, and the land became dry. Then died the Goddess of Earth, and the land became barren. And died every other god, save for the One. And for all of this, Deceivers laid upon us the blame.

The only god left is the God of the Sun. It seems in their desperation, the gods rationed their blood and allowed themselves to starve to death to maintain the most important god of all. But only now does it become obvious why the Sun God was the most important.

His power wanes, the sun itself dims, and every night, the stars grow brighter, and bigger. We can now see the stars for the horrors that they are, each night, getting a bit closer to the earth, with only the Sun God to keep them at bay, with his rapidly waning power.

We are blamed for the ills of the world. We are despised. But despite all that, we are the only ones that can save it. We must return the people to faith. We must bring them back to God, by force if necessary. We see What Lurks In The Sky, and understand what will befall us unless action is taken.

Our god must have power to protect us!!

The blood must flow!!

(2/2)

Thus begins the party's quest to convert as many as they can to save the world, and to offer the blood of those who stand in their way to the One Remaining God.

The world is barren, cold, harsh, and overrun by angry spirits. It will never be what it once was, but the party alone can ensure that it doesn't get worse... that the star-demons in the sky don't descend upon us!!

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>>52430916
This is certainly one option. And a good way to do it.

I'm surprised that pic related hasnt been brought up.

>>52431095
Because dark souls sucks

>>52398271
>Historical discussion of any sort in 4chan always gets ruined by obnoxious /pol/ kiddies who contribute nothing but think they're the funniest people alive because of repeating stale memes

By posting this, you have invited a steady stream of underage posters to begin chimping out at you.

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>lol, I fucked my sister

>>52429363
>iron weapons.
Natives with Iron weapon before the Europeans? First Time I hear of it. Copper or bronze yeah, but iron?

>>52389945
The Spanish basically called all natives in the Americas cannibals, because that meant they could be enslaved.

Some Spanish queen had created a law that said no human could be enslaved except when they were cannibals.

Which meant that Spanish explorers would just go around and point at human remains near natives and yell "THEY'RE CANNIBALS! ENSLAVE THEM!".

>>52425486
Reddit and /pol/ are the same these days. The same retarded alt-right spammer shit. So fuck off. Kill yourself.

>>52434170
The Opata, Yaqui and some Lakota had iron blades that they apparently used for surgery rather than warfare.

>>52434797
Reminder that a bunch of catholics and their negro slaves conquered 3/4 of the Americas while hollering bits and pieces of islamic law at the natives.

Meanwhile, in the North, they're still arguing whether any of the three could actually be considered "American".

>>52397907
Mormons tried passing Quetzalcoatl off as Jesus

>>52429978
>I dont remember the other ones
A great wind blew literally everything to hell and the other was fucking giant jaguars descending from the skies to devour everyone because fuck you Tezcatlipoca was mad he wasn't the sun anymore.

>>52389732
> several sorceresses made fun of Huemac for his inability to get women who were fat enough
> Huemac then had sex with these sorceresses
roasties never change, do they

>>52395812
It's honestly disappointing that Aztec society hadn't flourished earlier. Seeing the Spanish conquistadors go head-to-head with a powerful and technologically advanced New World society would've been badass.

>>52424257
Thanks, and yeah, it was a weird one. Had extra mouths in it's elbows, joints, knees, paws, feet, and other extremities, along with being fuck off huge. Then you add in the skeletal star demons, and yeahhh. Aztec Mythology was hardcore.

>>52403552
> about 1/3 of the size according to the Aztecs
Holy fuck, can you imagine coming into contact with an advanced society and SUDDENLY A DINNER TABLE-SIZED ROTTWEILER IS BEARING DOWN ON YOU

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>>52402328
Xolo, doggo guides to the underworld...

>>52434063
he was drunk, stop bullying him

>>52429314
>Now I *know* you're lying.

Peasant levies of slingers numbering in the thousands were a crucial aspect of Aztec warfare, and were used because everybody knew how to use slings (it was a hunting tool as well as a weapon) and they cost literally nothing to make and to resupply (they just pulled rocks from rivers and the lake they lived on).

Slinger formations were actually really effective at stopping cavalry charges as well (when they didn't turn around and flee in panic at seeing a horse for the first time, at any rate) because the horses simply would not run into the hail of stones. The Spanish got around this by hiring peasants of their own from other tribes, and using bows to stymie the flow of stones while the horses charged and slaughtered them.

>And the idea that some of the latest plate armour ever made was only slightly more effective than cloth is something I very much doubt

Effective at stopping Aztec weapons like stones, copper/bronze spears, and obsidian blades, not necessarily musketballs or crossbow bolts that the Spanish had. The Mayan version actually could turn aside arrows and crossbow bolts and even musket balls at long ranges, though, and is one of the inspirations for modern-day kevlar body armor (as comparatively weak proof-of-concept that cloth could be treated and woven to resist missile weapons).

It wouldn't and didn't hold up against steel or lead shot, but it was more than effective at the job it was asked to do.

>>52434170
Some Mesoamerican tribes possessed iron weapons, but they were (comparatively) so difficult to make they were either extremely precious artifacts, ceremonial weapons, or possibly even surgical tools like >>52436057 says.

While they weren't standard issue, they would quite likely be able to adapt their practices to European styles in form (if not necessarily quality) and crank out more iron weapons once the "true" value of the metal was revealed to them.

>>52409135
Jaguars were a sacred animal in Aztec mythos, and only proven and honored warriors earned the right to wear it in battle. Killing one outside of the most extreme circumstances or elaborate ritual was a capital offense, and your body was not even granted the privilege of being sacrificed to the Gods - instead your body was usually drug around the city by your family and then thrown in an open grave, and the city knocked your house over and your family became homeless.

Aztecs took their social norms quite seriously.

>>52439889
That's pretty hardcore.

>>52429283
Shhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

... aww man... now we gotta sacrifice you

>>52440616
Aren't Tlaloc's victims (along with people who drown) the only ones who get to go to an actually nice afterlife? You're doing him a service.

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>>52440616
>implying he deserves the honor of being sacrificed
We need to do something more like >>52439889 to keep others like him in line and the gods pleased.

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>>52440688
Dubs speak truth

>>52405468
Why Africans hated Indians? I really like the diference in culture that the world had , i can only imagine how the battles were and how different weapons and armor each side had

>>52443930
Blacks hate everyone, they play the "muh slavery" card in America but world-wide they're the no.1 source of racism against other people.

>>52444155
Makes no sense,but they do use the muh slavery card in South America too

>>52444235
I mean... There were a lot of slaves in South America too.

>>52444242
Brazil were one of the countries that had the most slaves in the world,and one of the last to abolish slavery. But it still does not answer my question.

>>52444269
They play the same whine game as the feminists. "some nigga in baton rouge was beaten and abused more than a century ago so now I get to behave however the fuck I want and nobody can tell me to stop of they're being raycis".
And of course they always forget the irish plantation slaves and the mexicans and chinese building the railroad were exploited way more brutally that blacks ever were because that fucks with their alpha victim complex.

>>52444303
Im not one of that guys who keep complaining about how blacks are playing the victim today but here in Brazil they have quotas,and i think thats too much you know? they only see their skin color too,i myself have african slave offspring and dont get quotas for that,because i dont have black skin, you get me? not every black dude have 100% slave offspring and not every white dude slaved,specially in Brazil because of how much miscegenation we have in our history, but whatever.

>>52444303
>And of course they always forget the irish plantation slaves and the mexicans and chinese building the railroad were exploited way more brutally that blacks ever were

We're talking about very different situations here.

There's people who were sent to be somewhat productive, but mostly to get them killed on the cheap (the Irish), there's people who were getting paid but otherwise treated like niggers who CAN be sent back to Africa (the Chinese) and there's people who were tortured into working so hard that they achieve productivity growth rates unheard of before mechanization took hold, without even getting paid, mind you.

>>52440565
They also execute people for consuming booze before they had passed age 60.

>>52444235
>Makes no sense.
At this age, they still hunt Albinos for they magic propieties in Ghana (one of the less shit african states). In Nigeria Right now Hausa and Ibo are killing each other again for some minor conflict than scalated quicky. In South Africa they do unspokable things to Zimbawean child migrants, lots of them "disapearing". And in lots of tribal lands you can be sold as a child for near nothing. Africa is a very fucked place.

>>52444370
>here in Brazil they have quotas,
So does the US

It's referred to as affirmative action