/hhg/ aka Horus Heresy General

Why do Mk IV ass marine legs look like... ass?

Even generic plastic squatmarine legs look more dynamic.

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Plastic Thunderhawk incoming.

>>52381501
So much will it be? Baneblade price?

>>52381501
anymore leaks

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Threadly reminder that you will either kneel before the Warmaster or die.

>>52381481
>>52381391

>>52381440
Heh, thanks.
>>52381504
Aha, but what of it? I was thinking in redoing it Dante's Inferno style, but they're too many circles of Heaven/Hell/Purgatory I don't know what to fill them with.
Everything would be labeled "anon" :^)

>>52381508
>>52381448
>Warlord Trait: Hammerstrike Assault
>One chosen infantry unit gains Deep strike and can reroll it
Nope, the +1 to sweep and Vehicle damage is a rule he gives due to him existing, not because he's the warlord.

>Dynat's Theme Song (alleged)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cq3RWdHteSw

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>>52381533
Only this old thing.

>>52381580
I love all that new retro shebang.

https://youtu.be/n-XpvjSLmu8

Fits allmost all spess muhreens, but maybe IH more? Lacks their cyber-reeing though.

Hey guys, here's an idea I had:
>play Alpha Legion
>pick loyalist allegiance for the army
>wait until Angelus comes out
>pick Coils Of The Hydra rite of war
>select a Dark Angels unit as the rewards of treachery choice
Boom, loyalist dark angels. What do you think? Reasonable? Or too lore-breaking?

>>52381697
Place your bets on the name(s) of the alternative variant(s) in the kit. Take into account that Stormhawk already exists.

I put 5 internets on Deathhawk.

>>52381756
Swordhawk
Hammerhawk
Anvilhawk
Hawkhawk
Bloodhawk

>>52381752
I think that loyalty is its own reward, anon.

>>52381756
Thunderhawk Transporter

>I put 5 internets on Deathhawk.
With a name like that you just know the Dark Angels will never be able to take them.

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>>52381756
Banehawk, Doomhawk, Deathhawk, Shadowhawk...

Anyone got any more?

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>>52381802
Psi-hawk?

>>52381756
Hawkhawk.

Boom. Send me the cheque GW.

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>>52381792
Of course not, DA get a Metatron Gun Church.

>>52381756
Thundereagle.
Thunderclaw.
Thunderfalcon.
Thunderbuzzard.
Thudnerbluefootedbooby.

>>52381822
oh jesus christ

next up, psi-baneblades?

>>52381802
Eaglehawk
Dreadhawk
Hawkathrax (for Mechanicum)
Thunderbane

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So considering that the plastic thunderhawk is inbound, what's the best way to use it?

Obviously flying D is a big deal but can't be used in 3000 points except by Dorn.

I'm considering for white Scars a plain thunderhawk with a flare shield and armored cockpit carrying bikes might actually be pretty cool

>>52381839
I want Epic Thunderwrens.

>>52381864
>So considering that the plastic thunderhawk is inbound, what's the best way to use it?

Mastrubating to ofcourse, what else ? Thunderhawk best waifu

>>52381897
magos no, don't put your dick in the thunderhawk, that isn't how you consecrate it!

>>52381756
https://youtu.be/ihskUz0obzY?t=1119

Hawkwolf

>>52381825
>cheque
:^)

>>52381843
Hawkarax

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hey /hhg the beast is almost ready for primer, so as promised ( a long while ago) here's a new pic, i wanted to use it as the personal ride for my purple marines chaptermaster in 40k but it's almost a waist off al the effort to use it for that.

it's a bit late in the process but i think i will use it for 30k,either WE or IW. i love the world eaters colorscheme and i like painting white, bu tnot on large flat surfaces. iron wariors becouse i like tanks and hazzard stripes. wich one should i pick /hhg?

also, i made this rapier from the land raiders leftover lascannons, i traded the mk IV bits for the crew for some other bits with a friend

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>>52381864
Build it as a transporter, paint it in TS corvidae colours, and steal your opponent's vehicles with it. The rules don't say it's limited to picking up friendly vehicles, after all.

>>52381842
Eh, Psi Warhounds are already a thing and there's Canix Vertex.
Are the Ordo Sinister's 40k Twelve Imperators PSI Imperators, though? Or perhaps they are but it's a secret ;^)

>>52381756
Tempestfalcon
Lightningvulture
Hurricaneshrike
Squallgull
Tornadopenguin

>>52381864
Put a few techmarines in there to repair any damage it takes.

Phonepoting at the moment. Can LoW get benefits from RoWs and such that affect primary detachment?

>>52381916
Thunderhawk a cute. Cute!
Superior to all other waifus.
>Alright my Lord, fine! Primarchs won't be female...BUT WHAT ABOUT THUNDERHAWKS?
>Fund it
>Yassss

>>52381802
Don't forget the Firehawk, Hellhawk, Hammerhawk, and Tonyhawk.

>>52381960
So THIS was why FW somehow expected us to buy Transporters over a Gunship.

>>52381967
>Tornadopenguin
Sounds like one of those generic MGSV codenames, Stormpelican

>>52381986
I want my marines to be ferried into battle by a Tonyhawk.

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>>52381838
>mfw an anon sent me the metal model of this one plus the gorgeous Gamesday exalted Champion of Chaos for the /wip/ Secret Santa

Really glad I participated again.

Are wings on a DP a must? I really like the look of of a plain huge mutated deamon Marines with the vents on his back, but he feels a bit of a sitting duck without wings.

>>52382002
I was going more by Megaman X maverick names, but that works as well.

>>52381719
I guess it fits SM...but somehow it also reminds me of Men In Black?

>>52382022
In HH? No idea, I've never seen anybody actually run a prince, not even the local WB guy that usually brings an assload of daemons.
In 40k they are a must, yes.

Ok then, I certainly need to work on my Matrix Vulturax twins if there's going to be eighty bloody Thunderhawks cruising around. IIRC, they're basically flying Shadowswords with transport capacity statwise?

On the upside, I can loot it for all the Filiketos parts In The World.

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>>52381967
>Tornadopenguin

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>There'll be a model for Dorn's vehicle before Dorn himself

Its a special kind of pain.

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>>52382077
How many Vulturax squads are enough/too many, and how strong? Someone had a game where a single one blew up a Spartan and remained impune all game long, right?
And strangely referred to that Vultarax as "she". Stratopucci much?

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>>52382107
You did my sunday

>>52381984

> "Volcanoes aren't the only thing erupting on Mars tonight, my sweet, sweet Thunderhawk..."

> "What was that magos?"

> "N-nothing..."

>>52382111
i'm taking 2 in my reductor list as 2 separate maniples, i dont think that would be too oppressive but we'll see when it gets played(a long time from now)

>>52382061
Comic or the film/series?

I totally agree with the general sentiment though.
I really like cybermods though, fits shadowrun a lot..the song.

>>52381802
>Shadowhawk
This is actually a thing for the Raven Guard.

>>52382204
Film/series, I didn't read the comics wasn't aware

>>52381978

Can they repair from the inside? That'd be pretty cool

>>52382244
I wasnt eithrr, but thanks to /co/ I got shown that the original stuff is a lot darker/more intense.

Hey folks, I need anti-AV14 , ant can't decide between Lightning and Sicaran Venator. What would you guys choose?

>>52382009
Why? They've got a horrible crash record and are prone to excessive spinning.

Current iteration of my iron hands force.

Head of the Gorgon (3000)

HQ: Orth (80)

Elites: Gorgon terminator squad, 5 terminators plus hammerbearer. 1 chainfist, 2 powerfists, 2 power axes, hammerbearer has cyber familiar. (265)
Spartan assault tank, heavy flamer hull mount, lascannons sponsons, armored ceramite, flare shield, dozer blade (375)

Quad launchers battery, 2 guns with shatter shells (140)

Contemptor cortus with chainfist, gravity gun, kheres assault cannon (175)

Veteran tactical squad, 5 combi plasmas. Sgt has artificer armor, combi plasma, power fist. Rhino with multimelta (295 )

Troops
2 tac squads, 10 men each. Sgts have artificer and combi meltas, rhinos with multimeltas (195 each)

Tac support squad, 4 plasma gunners, Sgt has artificer and combi plasma, rhino with multimelta(280)

Heavy support
Whirlwind scorpius (115)
Sicaran venator (190)
Deredeo with autocannon and missile launcher (220)

LoW
Ferrus Manus (455)

Fortification
Aegis with comm relay (70)

Should I drop some stuff to add more gorgons? Or maybe make them cataphracts?

>>52382475
Oh, vet squad has 10 members

>>52381440
So what would you consider an appropriate point cost for the Thunderhawk? Obviously 800 points makes it fucking useless, as it's nowhere near a Reaver in usefulness.

>>52382502
495 ;^)

>>52382418
Venator isn't so much for AV14, but instead against superheavies you need to stun. A lightning can kill if there's no AA interceptor that impedes it

>>52382255
Yes. It's even better in 40k where techmarines are ICs and servitors give bonus to all techmarines in a unit. So just have a few techmarines together with a few servitors, and that thing isn't coming down unless you can blow it out of the sky in one go.

>>52382537
would that even be that bad? I assume the D would cost more so it's basically a flying battle cannon for 500 points that gets shot out of the sky once it hovers to unload.

>>52381719
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZTidn2dBYbY

Loyalist Luna Wolves and/or Death Guard maybe? Istvan III in general.

I'm stuck between which super heavies I should purchase for my DA army. I hear a lot of good things about the typhoon, it's price is also good for a LoW. But the Glaives mega laser and the Fellblades 13 barrels of fun really stand out to me as a fuck you unit.

Any suggestions or comments on what my next purchase should be?

>>52382671
It reminds me to tabletop in general

>>52382696
Warhound for 750?

>>52382502
The trouble is the combination of turbolaser and huge transport flyer. Each of those is a significant asset and probably worth around 500 or so, but the trouble comes when you consider that to do one job, it can't do the other properly, which should be considered in its cost.

>>52382696
For what it's worth, the Typhon will basically always make it's points back. It's fairly cheap, easy to use and hard to fuck up.

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>>52382537
>495 ;^)

Lol. There are 10k Custodes in M41.
How the hell they get rebuilded after Heresy?

>>52382891
Thats one custodes a year, seems fine

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>>52382664
Nah senpai 495 points is the perfect cost for flying D

>>52382891
Big E had some hidden away in a closet.

>>52381756
Rapestork

>>52382915
How many Ds can Magnus throw each turn if he is used as a witchfire platform?

>>52383089
5 if you have the dice for it

So... have I understood correct that Magnus can potentially hit every enemy unit within 18" from him 2~12 times each with Str D, 5 times a turn?

Was he able to deep strike as well? I really hope not...

The Binary Succession anyone?

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>>52383229
The main restraint is warp charges so just wait until Angelous breaks the legion more with Tzeench allies

When a Str D blast hit a unit, how do the wounds allocated? Each model gets wounded d3 wounds?

>>52383229
Potentially.

People are going absolutely apeshit due to the potential, but very few that played against have reported actual success of that magnitude.

>>52383476
>Each model gets wounded d3 wounds?

Yes, the d3 wounds dont spill over across the unit.

>>52383476
Each model affected suffers a D-hit. Roll on the table and apply the result to that model. Wounds don't spill over, obviously.

>>52383476
Yes. So ones in the circle are super dead.

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>>52383089
Magnus is on a 40mm base, radius 20mm and his novas can reach 18"
Now, to maximise units hit by the novas we're going to have an army of IC on there own, all on 25mm bases (the units can't be within 1 inch of each other giving circles of influence 7.62 cm across).
So the question is, how many units can fit into magnus' D bubble, well the circle might appear to be 18" + 20mm (48.08 cm) in radius but actually, since the units only have to graze the circle, they have to *fit* in a circle with 48.08 + 7.62 - 2.56 radius (53.14 cm).
Now putting that info through an online engineer tool we find that 147 25mm based ICs will fit into said circle (conveniently a lil' hole appears in the middle where Magnus' larger base fits).
So that's 147 target units, Magnus has access to 3 2d6 powers of 18" D strength novadoom (sunburst, shockwave and cleansing flame) so that's 6d6 or (since we're going for maximum) 36 S:D hits against every single IC here 147*36 (We're also going to assume Magnus rolls a 1 to wound every single time or at least everyone survives the barrages, because, again, we're going for maximum D here) = 5292 Strength D hits.

Five Thousand Two Hundred and Ninety Two attacks with the Destroyer special rule.

But we're not done yet! Forgeworld in their infinite wisdom decided on making the Primarch of the XVth a Mastery Level 5 character, so we're three powers down, two to go.
So what other Witchfires are left to us? A beam (molten beam), maybe we could hit 6 dudes? Sure whatever 6, Smite hits for 4. So we have targets of 6 and 4 to meet with our Large Blasts (Inferno and Psychic Maelstrom) well thats a diameter of 12.80 cm (+ 2*(7.62 - 2.56) for reasons outlined above) for a diameter of 22.74cm, so that's 5 possible dudes per blast, so we'll substitute 1 of them in for smite, but leave molten beam adding 11 to 5292 = 5303

Five Thousand Three Hundred and Three attacks with the Destroyer special rule.

>>52381752
Is CotH not traitor-only?

>>52383476
>>52383618
>>52383635
>>52383639
You still only make one save per hit, and if you fail that you get D3 wounds on that model, and most novas have shit AP so you're on average gonna lose 38,9% of your PA models hit. Could be worse.

All the vehicles are gonna get super fucked though.

>>52381756
Lighting Falcon
Storm Ostrich
Torrent Condor
Northeaster Vulture
Squall Kori
British Summer Albatross

>loyalist legion painted up normally
>use the Alpha Legion rules
Is this acceptable?

>>52383476
wounds don't spill over. D weapons are for blowing up multi-wound models and vehicles, not hordes. they're basically no better than S10 versus horde units.

>>52383932
Yes, if you paint them up as Alpha Legion that's perfectly acceptable.

I want 40k Guardian Spears for my custodes. Is that too much to ask for?

>>52383932
Paint some AL icons on it and you're good, stuff like chains or scales.

>>52384194
But that would compromise the disguise.

>>52384232
>>52384194
Do it in UV paint! (I have considered doing that for my RoT Suzerain).

>>52383932
>>52384232
>compromising the disguise
So would using the AL rules. A real alpha legionaire would use both the rules and the colors of another legion.

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Daily what are you working on Anon? This is the second set of tacticals for the XVIII, plus also some scattered forces for the Talons which I built to get a sense of what they look like in my hand

>>52383867

But is that enough to kill Leman Russ?

>>52383932

>own a TS army
>opponent refuses to play TS without severe handicaps
>field army as AL with Dynat and a Saboteur

Either way, I will find a way to make people suffer.

>>52384380
4D hits should off Russ.

>>52383867

And that is why Magnus must be house ruled as permabanned worldwide.

>>52384450
Isn't nova powers 2d6 hits per unit not models? Against a units w/ 10-20 models wearing PA or TDA it doesn't seems to be that much of an issue with wounds allocations and stuff.

>>52384393
Didn't relic become campaign-only thing?

>>52384688
It was always campaign-only.

>>52384450
Just do what the emails said and make his D only work on actual witchfire, not any of the subtypes.

and then still ban it because fuck invisibility

How can I convey that my IF bases are the Imperial Palace?

>>52384798

Marble with occasional gold gilding strips separating the marble panels.

>>52384798
With dead Iron Warriors.

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>>52384624
You're gonna to lose 2,72 PA models per unit on average from a 2d6 nova.

Can it hurt if they roll well, yes. But maybe don't stack up your units next to him?

On a scale of 1 to 10, how suicidal is it to run a Termie deepstrike list without a Command Rhino?

>>52385124
its pretty risky unless you have some other way of fixing your reserves

>>52385152
Well, I'm looking at a hard decision between foregoing the Command Rhino or anti-air. I figure under those circumstances, the Command Rhino becomes non-essential.

>>52385180
whats the context of the list, and do people in your meta usually have anti-air or no?

> $200 for Lucius Warhound + 2 guns from chinaman

Must... resist... temptation...

>>52385231
Well, the meta seems to have mixed opinions on flyers and anti-air, but I figure just to be on the safe side and make an all-comers list, I need more viable anti-air than trying to shoot down flyers with a single unit of Tyrant Siege Termies and praying for 6s.

>>52383879

It is not

>>52381802
Those are nice but i really want an overcast ostrich

>>52381967
Drizzlepelican
Gustemu
Breezepigeon

>>52381802
Darkhawk Angelhawk
Emperorhawk
Ironhawk
Whitehawk Scarhawk
Spacehawk Wolfhawk
Imperialhawk
Nighthawk
Bloodhawk
Ironhawk
Warhawk Houndhawk Hawkeater
Ultrahawk
Deathhawk
Hawk mk1,000
Moonhawk
Wordhawk
Dragonhawk
Ravenhawk
Alphahawk & Omegahawk

>>52385180
It's a trap. I tried fielding teleporting termies before and unless they are dakka terms they will get over whelmed and die real fast without putting a hurting on anyone.

alright boys, how do i make a NL list that isnt just cookie cutter trash?

>>52386007

I'd love to see what an Ironhawk, Moonhawk, Nighthawk and Bloodhawk would look like. They sound cool.

>>52386007
Hawkhawk

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So how many of you faggots bitching about TS actually played against one?

I need to know what this list is you faced that had invisibility up 24/7 and could deal with everything thrown at them with trivial ease.

>>52386056
Wait until Angelus and pray for Atramentars?

>>52386093
sheeeeeeit
well, i suppose that works, still have an iron hands army to do and some accompanying Reductor

>>52386056
Drop Assault Vanguard, max number of Assault marines arriving turn 1 and being shot at snap shots with a 5+ cover save and FNP, use Terror squads or deep striking dreadnoughts as support.

>>52386056
Is that you Curzefag?

>>52386155
i sure fucking hope not

>>52386007
Hawks of Hawkus, formerly the Luna Hawks

>>52383867
Uni! You're still around. That makes me happy. We thought like all the great namefags of the past you'd gone never to return.

>>52386025
Well, I've got:
- one combi-melta and chainfist squad for Spartan slaying
- one squad with volkites and two single lightning claws for power armor killing
- one Tartaros squad with a plasma blaster for Primarch guarding
- one Tyrant Siege Termie squad to be accompanied by a Siege Breaker for Tank Hunting goodness
I think I might have the dakka part handled.

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>>52381786
>Hawkhawk

>>52386523
>combi-melta and chainfist squad for Spartan slaying
As in, all five with Chainfist?
>I think I might have the dakka part handled.
If anyone can do dakka termies it's the Iron Warriors.

>>52386619
IF hands down

>>52386007
The Raven Guard have their own stealth variant of the Thunderhawk known as the Shadowhawk. It replaces the top cannon with a stealth field generator, and has triple heavy bolters for fire support.

>>52386666
They can make bolters truly shine, yeah.
And SoHs can also use all manner of combi-weapons with great effectiveness, lord of lies

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>finally finish both my legions and my knights

>feel satisfied and have no want for any more models

>friend of a friend offers to sell me 6 thallax, 5 castellax, a thanatar and a magos for $150

I want to get off

If I don't put on legion symbols would anyone notice if I ran my iron hands as iron warriors

>>52386900
>black looks like silver with hazard stripes

Yes people would notice dipshit

>>52386900
Post a picture of them but probably this >>52387024

>>52386900
Use hazard stripe stickers that you can remove when not bittering?

>>52386900

Blackshields, RG, or DESTROYER LEGION/spoiler] are probably the best swaps for IH

>>52384796

>Just do what the emails said

You mean the emails which state that Sekhmets lose their combi bolters if they upgrade their CCW?

Are there any 30k podcasts?

>>52387288
theres the thread one, which is admittedly a bit shit, but workable
Eye of Horus, Radio Free Istvaan, and another one i cant quite remember

>>52387288

This anon >>52387338 already mentioned most of the big ones, but I'd also add the Age of Darkness podcast

Why do people like the Thunderhawk?
Genuinely curious because I'm not particularly heartbroken

>>52387338
/hhg/ has a podcast?

Jesus, what's it called? I'd love to hear autistic screeching about armor marks and hazard stripes instead of reading it.

>>52387406
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4jwNf8a_f00
listen at your own risk

>>52387444
>those voices

This explains a lot. Might just start hiding these generals now.

>>52387394
>heartbroken

what? They stopped making the resin one because there is a plastic version coming out very soon.

Anyway people like it because its an iconic space marine vehicle thats really important in the fluff but hardly ever seen on the table for both $$ reasons and points cost.

I think the most effective use of one is either a flying D gunship or as an attack bike clown car.

>>52387492

Paying close to 1k for a hundred resin parts was bad enough, but it's fucking resin where a few bad parts can fuck up your day. Nevermind how nobody is comfortable carrying that prop piece around unless it's stored in an armored carriage or watched by armed contractors at GW headquarters.

>>52387444
I made it about 30 seconds. If I had to listen to voices like that regularly I would kill myself.

>>52387764
Those are the anons you share this general with though. That is a representation of the playerbase you are a part of.

Might want to think of going back to 40k now. They're less autistic at least.

>>52387764
>Do you hear the voices too?!
Made it to 34. Take it positively: they can only get better from there :^)

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>>52382107
>Your primarch has two models.

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>>52388016
>Your primarch becomes two models

>>52387847
I went straight from warmachine into 30k after my meta died. Don't have any interest in playing 40k.

>>52388037
>warmachine player
k e k

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>>52388036

Did I read right, and 30k Crozius Arcanums can be the power weapon you want instead of being restricted to power mauls?
I've heard that comes from before, when melee weapons had no AP value and "Power Weapon" was a rule that allowed them to ignore armour saves...but I've always known maces as the anti-armour weapon, where a sword would ricochet from plate.

To focus, what would an Arcanum Axe or Sword would even look like? I could imagine a Spade Arcanum :^) for IWs

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>>52388097

>>52388116

A pimped out bling weapon. Blood Angels chaplains would basically wield Sanguinary Guard weapons.

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Its cool that it came back and all but fuck Bloodbowl for clogging up FW's release schedule

its been almost 2 months and still not a fucking sign of any of the thousand sons models they showed at the weekender

also fuck custodes

>>52388223

>its been almost 2 months and still not a fucking sign of any of the thousand sons models they showed at the weekender

Oh noez, 2 months without new releases! Whatever shall I do! I guess I must make do with spamming these Forgeworld veteran tacticals along with my Forgeworld TS contemptors and my Forgeworld castallax and my Scarab Occult termies and my converted 40k Primarch Magnus! How fucking awful!

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>>52388223
>Implying 2 months is a long time

You know nothing of waiting, you'll get your stuff sometime this year.

>mfw Dorn and Alpharius will get models 4-5 years after they got rules

>>52388297
Kek.
Now do one with Dorn fighting Alpharius and his stolen Iron Havocs

>>52388223
It's a shame that we still don't have the full rules for all the legions. Getting tired of all the other crap that's clogging it up. The occasional mechanicum release was alright, but we haven't had a single legion release for Inferno except leman and the dogs.

>>52388223
Have you thought about proxying them with Knight Heads?

Why are you guys hostile to other forums? WAAC issue?

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>>52384364
Assault squad. Turns out I've got a little over 1500 points painted so far, so it feels like I'm on the home stretch for my 2k and 3k lists. Feels good man.

>>52388435
what are you washing your white with? fuck it if death guard are that easy to get the base colors blocked in I'll do some too

Binary Succession when?

>>52388393
4chan users don't like forums in general

>>52388435
>non-black Destroyers

Muckin about

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This is the list that I'm worried about a lack of Damocles Command Rhino in. Between the Contemptor and a Command Rhino, which is more essential? And yes, I insist on using Ironfire RoW instead of PoTL. Anyways, feedback is appreciated. Perhaps, ya'll can help me see something I haven't before or try a new unit I hadn't considered. I trust you /hhg/, steer me right!

>>52382502
501 points.

>>52388531
Why is Perty there? Footslogging a primarchstar just seems like it'll never get anything done, especially when in tartaros

>>52388745
Doesn't Perty teleport?

>>52388745
He teleports senpai, and so do all the other termies.

>>52388770
>>52388782
yeah, but you cant charge when deepstriking, and after that turn you're still walking at things, which can walk just as fast in the opposite direction while their big guns swivel at your effectively t4 primarch

>>52388531
Mate, you have only 3 artillery models and even then 2 of them are in a same unit. Either take more artillery or use something other then Ironfire.

>>52388470

I am so sick and tired of people begging I've decided to do it myself. Now no-one will have to beg for it again.

http://www.mediafire.com/file/sc266oa6al1jb7o/the-binary-succession.mp3

>>52388817
Not if you encircle important enemies with more deepstrikes and put pressure on them with highly mobile tac squads and artillery. If played correctly, you'll make them wish they had only have to deal with Perty.

>>52388890
Sincerely thanks dear fellow, but don't underestimate people's autism. There will be someone asking for Sins and Binary and whatever even it's on OP with bolded, italicized and underlined.

>>52388922

What enemies were you envisioning in this perfect scenario? Would these enemies be able to break out of your termie encirclement or overrun them? You're basically counting on a wall of invuln saves to keep your army fireproof against weight of fire on the drop in.

Not the IW guy, but have anyone fielded Pert's beepbot bodyguards yet? How did they perform?

>>52388941

I'm personally waiting for Magnus the Red

>>52388966

The only bodyguard I give a shit about is Pert's Shadowsword.

>>52388956
It's certainly not perfect for some opponents, but no one list is. I'm just trying to find a good balance of fun and competitive. This seems fun to me, I just don't want to lose all the time.

>>52388995
You post your list for advice over and over again, and yet you don't seem to give a fuck about what other people's saying.

>>52388966
They sound like they could conceivably walk across the board with t7 and a 4++ when they hug. But I've never seen the model outside of forgeworlds website.

And whatever they're chasing could probably just walk away anyway.

>>52388817
Perty has an Orbital bombardment.
Tyrants deepstriking with him could combine his Cognis signum with their Omnispex and pull some nasty shots.
Honestly, Perturabo should be able to deepstrike with his Iron Circle

When is Damocles rhino worth it?

>>52388393
Spend any length of time on Bolter and Chainsword and then come back and see if you don't know the answer already.

Would it be more efficient to give Vets combi-Xs than fielding Tac Supports?

>>52388328
I'm more impatient because the models previewed look like shit. Cataphractii Sekhmet being upgrade kits that doesn't even have ornate shoulders bug the fuck out of me considering that the unit leader model is really blinged out for no reason.

Khenetai blade squadron looks like those cross fit dudes swinging weighed ropes around or Johnny Bravo doing the monkey.

I want the models released now so we can just fucking get it over with so Dorn and all the other backlogs can get some proper love.

At this point Dorn is closely reaching Duke Nukem status as being anticipated too long while the actual gamplay will be shit when released

>>52388922
>>52388995
Seems kinda risky unless you're playing a braindead retard who can't focus fire, i would just feed pert a single tac squad and shoot down the other squads that don't have a monster in them turn one. It might work if you had, like six squads of termies and they all had non-schizo loadouts, but at that points level it just feels lacking, especially since you gain essentially nothing from your Rite. See how it goes, i suppose .
>>52389028
Orbital bombardment is true, but why the hell would you ever have a 480 point melee monster in the backfield with your shooty tyrants? None of those points adress the fact that the t7 punchy god of combat is never going to catch something when deepstriking unless its another primarch in a 2w termie retinue

>>52389044

They probably want to hold off on Dorn until they can comfortably announce that a package purchase is available for Dorn and his Thunderhawk.

>>52389051
>in the backfield with your shooty tyrants?
Shouldn't they deepstrike forwards, in the enemy deployment zone, so they get Furious Charge and Perturabo's naked fists hit like a Thunder Hammer at I5, while his Tyrants get S9 powerfists?

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Are 40k Grey Knights cheaper-but-psyker Custodes? An elite of the elite force expected to fight specific enemies rather than general wars. Some say they were made from a bit of the Emperor's genes, while Custodes are more alchemy and biomancy, and call their weapons "halberd" and "spear" but are both actually using glaives?

>>52389086

>should I put my elite shooty unit in charge range

no

>>52389111
So, Perty should be in a more traditional Spartan Deathstar, the fact that he and all kinds of termies teleport ends up being a cool trinquet that cannot really be relied upon?

>>52389130

You seem super committed to having a Perty death star with fancy termies, so I will just say pick the one that you think makes most sense and end my advice here.

>>52389173
No, I'm not the anon with that list. I'm just genuinely curious about how to use Perty's plethora of army bonuses, that's all.

How many turns in average it takes for a Spartan Deathstar to actually start fistfighting? about 3?

>>52389096
Honestly they're a dedicated demon fighting force where the average GK is slightly better than your average marine but is purely demonic resistant and incredibly high end equipment.

Custodes are the Emp's elite bodyguard and were never designed to fight demons specifically, but instead everything.

The similarities they have are almost purely cosmetic.

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post pics from your last game. played against a plastic drop cup, an unpainted unprimed spartan, and proxy artillery. made all my pics not worthy of a battle report writeup.

Why would the E put that much time, equipment and effort one dudes that gets used so seldomly?

>>52389277
Custodes?

They were the literal best of the best. Designed as a scalpel that was only to be used when and where needed most. They don't see pointless conflicts because they weren't made for that.

List-anon here, I agree with other IW poster. I just kinda find Spartan Deathstars to be overplayed in netlists and the like. There has gotta be a way to make my artillery aided, surgical precise alpha strike idea fly without the need for Spartans!

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>>52389277
Back in the day the Emperor did crusade. He simply was in one place at a time, unlike the Legions numbering so many they could create expeditionary fleets to aid the billions of regular mortal fleets.
The 10000 saved Horus', Mortarion's, Dorn's and their legion's collective asses and suffered but three casualties of their own.
Wherever they fought, they not only won but annihilated.
We simply don't get to hear too much about where they fought.

>>52381440
DAILY WORD BEARERS POST #FIF+2

L O R G A R D I D N O T H I N G W R O N G

>>52389345
Not worshipping the Omnissiah, the Emperor-sanctioned god but instead turn to tainted warp creatures.

Lorgar did everything wrong.

Do I have to add an allied detachment if I want a Knight Errant in my army or can I just run him as a LoW?

>>52389382
Worshiping an augmented idea of a corpse is still worshiping a corpse.

Silence, corpse-dog.

>>52389392
As a War Machine Detachment.

You could run two Knights in one slot.

>>52389392
>>52389441
I mean as a general LoW under a name "War Machine Detachment."

Was Fulgrim the only Daemon Primarch at Terra?

>>52389468
>What is Angron
>What is Magnus
>What is Mortarion

>>52389468
Angron got DPed on Nuceria IIRC?

Audiobookbay

>>52389402
>He thinks the Emperor is actually the Omnissiah outside of the party line.

LaughingArchmagi.noosphere.

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>>52389634
>.noosphere
You. I like you.

>>52389392
>>52389453

Yes you can

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>>52389634
>>52389651
Beep-bop Robot, they think there's safety in machines that Chaos "cannot" bless.

HeretekPls

>>52388462
Looks like thinned down sepia of some sort.

>>52388462
I use Army Painter Soft Tone ink, but any sepia wash over white or offwhite will do.

>>52388494
Destroyers are cool but stupidly overcosted so I gave mine chainswords and using them as Assault marines. Pity, because Destroyers are Death Guard as fuck

>>52389651
Just because we're not allied with Zeth and hers doesn't mean we can't nick her toys. Lazslow was a genius, his successor less so.

Hoping in future books we get more specialisation for different arms of the Mechanicum and Dark Mech. I suspect it's not all"Be edgy Scoria/Kelbor-HaI copies" or"follow Mrs. Robowaifu and the Emperor unfailingly and to the death".

>>52389701

>Insert Logic Cage Here.
Tried that, remember? Several times. Didn't work any better with practice.

>>52389718
>Hoping in future books we get more specialisation for different arms of the Mechanicum and Dark Mech
Wasn't the Dark Mechanicum confirmed for HH8, along with literal Daemons?
>follow Mrs. Robowaifu and the Emperor unfailingly and to the death
That's my primary function, heretek-kun :^)

>>52389718
Who is Mrs. Robowaifu? I thought new Fabricator-General is a male.

>>52389468
>>52389492
>GW already released DP Magnus model
>about to release Mortarion
>hinting strongly at Fulgrim and Angron

Synergy! So will FW release their own rules for them or just let us use the 40k ones?

>>52389772
40k Magnus is a HUGE downgrade from his pre-Daemon prince version. Not sure if FW would keep the 40k rules without modifications to bring him more into line with his pre-Daemon rules.

>>52389729
Go home Land, you're drunk. :)

Yeah, DarkMech will be fun, but hopefully they have time to expand them beyond"get machine, apply Daemon". Although honestly the possessed robots seem a lot more effective, controllable and helpful than Daemon Engines, so maybe it won't be that bad.

>>52389760

Koriel Zeth, mistress of Magma City. Was given the noosphere tech by the Explorator who found it, but didn't share it with the rest of Mars after the Fabricator General wasn't so hot on the idea, despite the Mechanicum having untold laws aboutat least putting a copy of the data in the Temple of All Knowledge. So she was safe from the Death of Innocence, and left the rest of Mars to burn for no reason.

>>52389392
>>52389441
>>52389453
>>52389688
Would a Knight be superior to a Typhon as my LoW? I dig both the models a lot but I'm not sure which way to go.

>>52389772
> Bob single-handily winning 6 vs. 1 Primarch match
> Other Primarchs return and 40k become 30k rematch

Not sure which is worse.

>>52389805
If it's not Atrapos go with Typhon.

>>52389820
>Bob single-handily winning 6 vs. 1 Primarch match
The Imperium was holding on just fine against them all before Robby returned.

>>52389833
I'm building up my Dangles army, a Knight with exotic weapons would fit it thematically. Thanks my man.

>>52389805

Typhons better in rules to the point of being an asshole pick usually

>>52389851
IIRC Atrapos is Questoris LoW only. Check before you purchase.

>>52389851

Remember atrapos can't be a LoW for legions astartes, has to be in an allied detachment

>>52389874

Taghmata LoW, questoris 0-1 per 2000 points any rank

>>52389263
why are large portions of the board chipped off

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>>52389028
>Honestly, Perturabo should be able to deepstrike with his Iron Circle

>>52381756
Thundercock.

So... Rewards of Treason Speaker of the Dead anyone?

>>52389840
>The Imperium was holding on just fine against them all
Mostly because only Angron and Mortarion were getting off their asses to actually do something each 5000 years or so.
The ones who do most of the damage are their former equerries anyway.

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>>52390089
>I murdered thousands for the Emperor and he gave me nothing except his damning silence. Now his lapdogs yap for every life I take, while the gods promise me the galaxy.
It wouldn't be the only time it happened.

So, for horror cult, it says you must always declare a charge if an an enemy unit you can harm is within 12"
would that override firing bolters, for instance?

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>>52390174
Or AL's memetic encoding goes deeper than the Priest's own.

>>52382233
Sadly The shadowhawk iirc was a stormbird variant and not a thunderhawk variant, as much as I would gleefully field two of them if they were thunderhawks and came in plastic.

Hopefully they also release with major rules changes, because current thunderhawk rules are pretty ass in most respects. (large target that can't jink, has average armor, and nothing to really stand between its HP and enemy fire, and to achieve its mission of depositing ground troops it must expose itself to standard-BS weapons with only AV 12)

>>52390216
> Longing, rusted, furnace, daybreak, seventeen, benign, nine, homecoming, one, freight car.
> Astartes?

do people actually use thunderhawks in standard games?

like titans, they only really work on giant apocalypse boards

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>>52384364
been building up some breachers for ZM using 3rd party shields, also more progress being made on parts for the zone mortalis board, I'll post assembly pics of that when it starts taking shape. (Legion is XIX)

>>52390268
Wait until theyre $300 usd and available at the local GW

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>>52390268
I made some commentary here >>52390244
but the current ruleset doesn't really lend them to use much at all except as a centerpeice or overpriced flying artillery.

>>52390276
another pic from front angle

Would Warhound Titan be ineffective / overcosted in 3000pts game?

>>52390369
Warhounds are great, but they're not as useful as they used to be a few years ago. You'd want a pair of them above 3500 with at least three Twin Turbo Lasers; below that cost of 3000 they kind of take up big chunks unless they have the aforementioned Twin Turbo Laser setup or that and a Plasma Blastgun. Their ability to slam Strength D is incredibly useful, and coupling it with a bigass plasma deathgun is also great.

>>52390282
I mean, I never really see many stompas or baneblades hit the table outside bigger events.

It's just swarms of knights and baby flyers.

>>52390444
Mostly because stompas and baneblades are shit with rules that havent changed in 5+ years

>>52390369
remarkably effective, possibly overkill. remember 30k titans are flat immune to haywire, melta. which leaves very few options to take one down, the only hope your opponent really has of slowing one is shooting the crap out of it with well over 800pts of heavy weapons, or shock pulsing it from a sicaran venator.

as far as my previous comments ( >>52390244
) on thunderhawks, some more info to back the claim.
>Acquiring the D cannon alone makes the thing already more hideously expensive than it starts out, with an uninspiring weapons loadout inferior to a Shadowsword for almost 1.5x the cost that can't start on the board.
>have to sink almost an equivalent number of points to give it a flare shield and ramjet grid that effectively makes it AV13 on most facings, which still doesn't do much against most weapons likely to harm it. (Anvilus Deredeos, Hyperios Batteries, Flakk Missiles are all strength 8) and arbalester knights just give zero fucks. The chaff launcher is the most useful of the bunch, giving it a save against missile based attacks leaving only concern from skyfire capable autocannons and lascannons (still a significant threat with the common appearances of deredeos and mortis dreads)
>Your flying meat-wagon that now costs you 875pts still needs to expose itself to massive amounts of fire to unload troops, and this is without fixing up the rear armor at all.

>>52390467
Forgot to add:
>A single 3-robot vultarax maniple costs half as much and can down this thing on a single turn, or even as soon as it appears if they have a cyber-occularis.

Horror Cult 3k
Praetor, usual stuff+trophies, jump pack
Chaplain, Chainglaive + axe crozius jump pack, plasma pistol

2 apothecaries
termie squad, 7 man, 3 chainfists, 2 LC, 2pf, 4 combis

2 19 man tac squads, extra CCW, Kharybdis assault claw

10 man raptor squad, 6 glaives, 3 axes, Glaive sarge, AA melta bombs

Lightning with 4kraken missiles+TLAutocannon, auguries and servitor

right now have 520 points sitting around, not really sure where to go with it.
thinking about a Typhon but that's not the fluffiest thing and might end up being too danger close with the big tactical units in the enemy deployment

>>52390369
If you use inferno gun/gatling, then yes, its trash as a weapons platform and underpowered. Plasma is alright, but shines when paired with a turbolaser. Dual turbolaser is a bit too good, you'll get dirty looks. Remember, the things to avoid are chainfists, big tarpits and kraken lightnings, and sicaran venators and similar shock-pulsers can shut you down. Melee knights will also fuck you in the butthole without lube, but you deserve that if you let one get in charge range. Keep melee units away from it, and introduce any venators to either the D or an anti-armour deepstriker ASAP. While its amazing at removing stuff like tough vehicles and elite deathstars, it can suffer against big hordes. Whats your Legion and list?

>>52390540
Not sure tarpit would work on it. I mean, isn't Titans immune to locked in assault?

>>52390540
Haven't made the list yet, just judging what I should buy and stuff at this point.

IIRC LoWs can't be benefitted from Legion rules and RoWs. But are there any particular Legions that complement well with Warhound in general?

>>52390539
Take the pistol from your chappy, for starters. Your praetor needs no trophies, chaplains now cause fear. Bring a third apothecary and give him a jetpack, put him with the raptors. Take the weaponry off the raptors and give them five more dudes. Drop the autocannon off your lightning. Kit your termies for one job instead of the schizophrenic messy combination they are now, i find the best for NL is either all with powerfists/1 chainfist and combimeltas, or just base with power weapons/claws if you have the points. This lets you either kill artillery/un-ceramited transports and then punch on, or kill an enemy PA unit thats sitting on an objective and take it for themselves. Both with teleporters, obviously.

For LoW, i usually use batman, but he's completely suboptimal. If im coming up against a lot of armour, i'll bring a Knight instead, since d-sword or if you're rich enough for an atrapos, d-lascutter deals with every spartan problem you will ever have.
>>52390579
You're right, however, now that i've checked, it is vulnerable to melta although not haywire, which seems weird to me.
>>52390596
World Eaters would enjoy having backfield D-shots cracking open transports so they can chainaxe the soft, meaty victims contained inside. Other than that, no one legion more than any other

>>52390608
Fucking Drop pod Leviathan....

>>52390608
former War Hounds getting along with Warhound would be highly appropriate.

>>52390579
They haven't been immune to being locked in melee for a long time now. Tarpit is a go.

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>>52390648
I'm checking my taghmata, and they indeed are now immune to being locked in assault. For a while it was only the bigger ones, but no longer by the looks of it

Horror Cult 3k rejigged
Praetor, usual stuff+JP
Chaplain axe+glaive, JP AA
3 Apo, 2 AA, 1 JP
Termies, 4 chainfists, 4 Combi, chainfist+Combi sarge
2 19 man tacs, vexilla+nuncio, AA+fist sarge kharybdis
15 man raptors, 6 glaives, AA on sarge

Lightning, 4 krakens

Cerastus Knight Acheron

>>52390216
It doesn't include Independent characters.

>>52390691
shit, CCWs on the tacs and teleport transponders on the termies, who are in cataphractii

>>52390691
Looks good, five chainfists might be a bit much unless you plan on punching on with warhounds or leviathans. Don't bother with the Vox on your tacs. Swap the voxes for auguries on your apothecaries so they can drown deepstrikers in bolts.

>>52390740
sounds good, the idea with the boxes was to allow for the termies and second Kharybdis to come in with some fashion of precision on turn 2

When do you think FW will get to the Siege of Terra? Is book X far too optimistic?

>>52390769
They said given the timeline we'd get to Terra around book 15.

Is there any legendary/mythical hero famous for his fist/hand? Just want some inspiration on naming my IC.

Bigby doesn't count

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>>52390774
>no Terra for at least another 1/2 decade

>>52390783
The guy the northern Irish stole the red hand Symbol from.

>>52390783
>Not just naming you character after Bruce Lee"

>>52390822
Also Lug Silverhand.

>>52390783
Nuada Airgetlám
Lludd Llaw Eraint
Tyr

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>>52390783
I'm not saying Berzerker, but there was a knight called Götz who commisioned an iron hand capable of holding from a shield to a quill.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/G%C3%B6tz_von_Berlichingen

>>52390882
> Götz of the Iron Hand
> Imperial Knight (Reichsritter)
> His name became famous as a euphemism for a vulgar expression (Er kann mich im Arsche lecken – "He can lick my ass")

Fucking awesome

>>52390918
Göthe even wrote a play about him, dude was awesome.

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>>52390290
And some destroyers because I ran out of good ideas for the last 8 bodies, bonus siege breaker and apothecary to go with them behind.

>>52391095
Did they have auspex devices back in the heresy as we know them in the 41st millenium?

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>>52384364

What does Anon think of using Malcadors in Legion lists? They seem like a large investment of points and I don't know what kind of return you'd see

>>52391209
Looks super cool anon but the beard gives him a look too noble for an iron warrior (unless you play loyalists)

>>52391225
I want to use them for cool factor, but the fact that theres no kit with both battle and demolisher cannons, and the sheer points cost of a kitted squadron, means i'd only ever go with one. A fully kitted Ironwing Malcador squadron would be pretty neato though

Is that true? I was under the impression that all of the Malc variants came with all of the hull mounted choices, and that the differences were in the turrets

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>>52391095
Why does he have missiles on his heavy bolter/melta?

>>52391279
Its a rad missile laucher i guess

Could you guys recommend 250pts worth non-Legion or list specific all-around unit?

>>52391530
Veterans in a MMelta rhino with an AA sarge and two plasma/melta guns are my go-to, they're scoring, killy and mobile

Aren't 40k Custodes meant to be naked? They aren't depicted as such in the Gathering Stork.

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>>52391630
Like these you mean?

If the Space Wolves canonically have no Sucessors, does that mean I can't change their paint scheme and do say, red wolfvikings?

>>52391662

If you play Custodes and don't have an MP3 of Awaken on your phone to play as they deploy, you're doing it wrong.

>>52391630
In the palace yes but they'd probably suit up for battle. They shouldn't even be in GS, there's been equally destructive black crusades in the past but they never intervened, guess GW wants to make the most profit off the sprues.

>>52391683
>there's been equally destructive black crusades in the past but they never intervened
because they never had a primarch go and have a heart to heart with big E and come out saying "yo guys fuck shit up"

>>52391683

They're intervening because Gulbert Gillymane forced them to.

>>52391674

You also need to rip your shirt off and start flexing on the fist turn.

Been reading The First Heretic, why is Lorgar so racist against Custodes?

>>52391674
The Lil Jon remix of Awaken is also acceptable.

>>52391733

Because he has no redeeming features. Even the things he's vaguely competent at are just vectors for better perpetuating his awfulness.

>>52391693
"free to pursue the war of aggression they have long desired", "a spring tightly wound uncoils with all the more force", "a vengeance long awaited"

Don't seem like they were forced much, if at all.

>>52390783
Enialus, from the Aeneid. He isn't a hero, just some by-the-way character who was a boxing champion and had killed a bull as a sacrifice to the gods with a single punch to the head.

>>52391788
I imagine they were bored a lot since they don't age.

>>52391807
from the codex it seems more like they were just real sad for ten thousand years, moping about how they didn't do a good enough job on the vengeful spirit

>>52391095
Wacky missile laucher

I've been looking at plasma repeaters for my DA army and they don't look like they're worth it on paper. Has anyone had any experience with them?

>>52391788
It's all polloticks, anon

>>52391519
Dunno, seems a bit wack to me.

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>>52390783
Kit Fisto

What are good numbers of battle-automata to have in squads? Was planning two Vulturax in a unit, two Wrecker Castellax to guard Scoria, three Vorax and units of 1 Thanatar.

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Just started looking at admech, is this a decent starting list?

HQ

Magos Dominus: Conversion Beamer, Laspistol

Magos Prime: Abeyant, Archmagos Prime, Chainfist, Cyber-familiar, Machinator Array, Malagra, Paragon Blade, Rad Grenades

Elites

Myrmidon Lord: 2x Volkite Charger
2x Myrmidon Secutor: 2x Volkite Charger
Triaros Armoured Conveyor: Blessed Autosimulacra

Troops

20x Tech-thrall Las-lock,The Rite of Pure Thought

20x Tech-thrall Las-lock, The Rite of Pure Thought


2x Castellax class Battle-automata: 2x Bolter, Darkfire Cannon, Stock Chargers

9x Secutarii Hoplite
Secutarii Alpha
Triaros Armoured Conveyor

Fast Attack

Arlatax, Paragon of Metal

Vultarax Stratos-automata Blessed Autosimulacra,

Heavy Support

Thanatar Class Siege-automata


Dominus sits back and provides not-synapse to the Castellax and Thanatar, everything else moves up and hopefully shoots the shit out of the enemy

Started my Dangles army 1000 points and now I'm hovering around 3000 with a tourney coming up in a couple of weeks. Their Row Ironwing Protocol has been treating me well, I've been winning most of my games so far which is saying a lot because my local meta is heavily competitive. Before I order anything else I want some criticism my list, any unit suggestions that would fit, or any glaring weaknesses.

>HQ
Delegatus with power fist and Command Squad in terminator armor with power/chain fists in a D/T Land Raider Phobos

>Elites
Two Mortis Dreadnoughts with lascannons and two hunter-killer missiles each

>Troops
Three identical tactical squads with vexillas and melta bombs on the sergeant. All of them are riding in rhinos with combi-meltas.

>Heavy Support
Two Predator Tanks both with heavy bolters, executioner plasma destroyers, machine spirits, and multi-meltas.

Three Vindicator Siege Tanks all with laser destroyer arrays, two with machine spirits.

Leviathan Siege Dreadnought with volkites, siege drill, phosphex discharger, and a dreadnought drop pdo

LoW
Typhon

I'm trying to get the most out of the RoWs rules, the Tactical Squads bolters wreck power armor but should I exchange one for a Support Squad with either plasma or melta? I haven't had any trouble dealing with terminators, which has seen a huge rise in numbers at my shop. My Dreadnought's use to deal with them but I've upgraded my Mortis's to lascannons rather than heavy bolters with molecular acid rounds which were my termie hunting units. Are Contemptor-Mortis worth the extra points?

Should I drop machine spirit from my Preds? At BS5 I want them to be shooting every turn but I only need it on one to split fire. I've also been considering replacing my Predators with Medusas and giving nuncio-voxes to my tacticals but they would be left far behind my army I'm nervous about deep striking units as I wouldn't be able to contest them.

>>52392147
There is a god alongside the omnissiah, and its name is the Enhanced Targeting Array. Use them on your robutts

>>52391788
well the sisters were ressurected somehow, so it's not as if it's feasible. It's obviously just to sell sprues, and the obsolete Land Raider thrown in is the grotesque cherry on top.

>>52392147
Give your tech-thall crapace for the love of the machine god. 30 points to give 40 dudes a 4+ is stupid cheap

also, upgrade the secutors to destructors,its a similar price, for a better gun and a better CCW

>>52392220
>ressurected
they were never killed off, though? they man the black ships. GW's just (like everyone else) ignoring black library.

>>52392220
The box is quite a bit cheaper than buying all that stuff on it's own thought.

>>52392233

The carapace i'll get but this bit

>upgrade the secutors to destructors,its a similar price, for a better gun and a better CCW

Aren't destructors worse at melee for a better gun? If not I guess I can cut back on some of the upgrades for my Magos Prime and get what >>52392206 wanted on the Thanatar other boops

>>52392242
They didn't run shit, they were virtually wiped out and the HLoT distrusted them post-heresy, the few that remained despised the Imperium. It doesn't seem like there were ever a lot of them either, which makes it unlikely they survived. This recent group were apparently the few survivors left deep under the palace and I doubt many would survive fighting Magnus being massive targets. It's all totally off the rails at this point, but post-8th no one will care.

>>52392292
...no? they get powerfist over power axes, the only diffrence being is that the fist has +3 str.

but yes, buy the ETA before any of my suggestions, ETA on thanatar is godlike

>>52392184
Why the increase in terminators? They've been dwindling around me.

>>52392310
To clarify the first sentence, destructors get the fists. which are better.

>>52392184
The list looks solid as fuck. Massed bolter fire is, as I suspected, a big strength so I wouldn't start looking at support squads just yet if I were you. Why not replace combi-melta and melta bombs for multi-meltas on Rhinos.

>>52392314
Probably because of the plastic Tartaros.

>>52392298
>they were virtually wiped out and the HLoT distrusted them post-heresy
Except no, they just don't ever come into focus because what they did was never really the focus of any of the games.

>Such was their zeal and focus during the Horus Heresy, the Sisters of Silence have been given unprecedented autonomy. They are trusted implicitly by the High Lords of Terra, for those deaf to the whispers of the Warp are amongst the most reliable of agents. Theirs is the duty of monitoring the masses via a network of trusted agents within the Adeptus Astra Telepathica. They then hunt down any untrained or rogue psykers they find, often alongside the Inquisition and the infamous hunter-squads of the Black Ships. There are few other roles members of the Sisterhood could fulfil, for their talent is inescapable, and magnified by the Emperor’s ancient artifice.

>>52392147
Whats the range of the darkfire compared to the conversion beamer s10 shot? You dont want to waste half your firepower firing ap4 shots in a heresy environment, or outranging your darkfires

>>52392184
You have a typon, you should have NO trouble with even multi-wound termintors

>>52392314
They beat Custodes through attrition

>>52392325
That was 30 points I shaved off the last time I played. Rhino's with multi-meltas get targetted real early and I've only been able to shot them once a game.

>>52392343
True but almost every list has Sicaran Destroyers and I need some redundancy for when it can't shoot.

>>52392325
Why don't you exploit the extermination rule? Veterans with serpentas work well with it.

>>52392147
So no matter what you do, the Dominus doesn't need Paragon Blade, Machinator Array, AND a chainfist. One will cut it, probably the array.

I play Reductor so anything less than all the artillery feels lame, but you're lacking quite a bit in the heavy weapons department- maybe look into Myrmidon Destructors.

Beyond that, I'll warn you that a spare demolisher cannon, or hell even some bolters, will destroy your tech-thralls, which is also your only real source of scoring.

It's a good enough list, but anything remotely competitive will eat you for breakfast. Especially Reductor with Secutarii

>>52392336
we're talking 40k not heresy anon.