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Why are wolves always the best animal companions?

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Why are wolves always the best animal companions?
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>>52373213
Because they are just a glorified version of dogs.
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>>52373213
Because they are doggos
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>>52373250
lol! we made dogs from wolves! That's why they're so well suited to work for us!
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>>52373213
because humans are eternally trying to be as cool as wolves, and they will fail every time, which is why you end up with furries
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>>52373213
They are wild doge
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>>52373259
Yeah but in real life wolves would fucking kill you without a heartbeat.
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>>52373271
huh

you fucked up but I'm pausing because "without a heartbeat" would technically mean they did it in the time your heart is in the act of beating, instead of in A heartbeat, one full one, so that's an even faster time to murder

Good work anon
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>>52373213

It's like a dog, but more badass. My Welsh corgi is adorable, but I don't think he'll survive long in the wild.

This is why you can't trust Muslims - they don't like dogs. What kind of man dislikes dogs?
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>>52373271
lol! You're a bit hasty. I'm sure people who live near wolves rarely die in wolf attacks.

A wolf is a wild animal, so of course a wolf pack can be dangerous, but they are not mindless, relentless killing machines like something out of a horror movie! Lol!

Wolves play, they have fun, they are intelligent, and there are even stories of humans living with wolves! As recently as the 1980s!
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>>52373213

Advantage on most perception checks, attack roll advantage in traffic, and free trip attempts on ever attack are awesome on a companion that already has a +4/7 offense on an unboosted 13AC.
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>>52373317
I mean my own game has an entire army pen of the fuckers they have solid stats
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>>52373213
They are not.

>"I'll play a ranger!"
>ok, what pet will you take
>"a wolf or a bear!"

>"I'll play a druid!"
>ok, what do you transform n
>"WOLF OR BEAR!"

Wolves are for the non-inspired.
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i prefer humans
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>>52373364
lol! It depends upon the system!

I've played as both a wolf and a bear, but a wolf had to be in GURPS because bears are weak in DND!
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>>52373378
GURPS wolf and bears is what I got yeah

They fucking WRECK shit, one player said fuck the ranger, one game he was a bear

The next he was a wolf who acted more like a retarded retriever it was fun
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>>52373401
Lol! That does sound like fun.
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>>52373316
What kind of subtle bait is this... stop using exclamation marks and saying "lol"
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>>52373364
Velociraptor
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>>52373213
Good for fighting and for fucking.
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>>52373299
>My Welsh corgi is adorable, but I don't think he'll survive long in the wild.
The smaller dogs, when not fucked up by inbreeding bullshit, tend to be rather accomplished ratters. That's what the Aztecs used Chihuahuas for, at any rate.
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>>52373213
Because it's now theorized that modern human social structures were modeled after the wolf pack social structure roughly around the time humans and wolves began regular and eventually cohabitation contact(leading to the first dogs).
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>>52374400
>about to lambaste you for assuming that wolves act the same in the wild as they do in captivity and spouting alpha-beta bullshit
>remember that wild wolves are based around an immediate family unit and this is the basic structure of eurasian social groups
Okay.
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Wolves are shit. Get an owl instead.
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They're not.
Everyone knows Ravens are vastly superior for three reasons:
>Tiny hand claws can use tools
>Can fly
>Can talk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AfsnHVaScjg
Brooding jokes aside, they're cunning and clever.

Or if you want a CE version
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mO-OpFjHRbE
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They are knot.
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>>52374422

>You will never be inducted into a wolf pack by pleasing the lead-male/father and gaining status as an honorary son.
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>>52374457
>the lead-male/father
The leader of the wolf pack is usually oldest mother iirc.
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>>52373250
>>52373255
Canines =/= dogs
Dogs have been bred and raised for millenia to be subservient to mankind, whereas wolves have always been one of mankind's predators.

Assuming a wolf is just a big dog is one of the biggest retard mistakes to make. Their jaw strength can crush your bones.
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>>52374484
>one of mankind's predators

No such thing. Plenty of wild animals, some not even carnivores, can and will fuck you up if you provoke them. Intruding on their marked territory or running tends to be a great way to do it. That is not the same as active predation, not even a little.

Wolves typically go after livestock.
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>>52374513
They will eat people if they can catch them in little enough number, transplants to Alaska die all the time from this.
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>>52374525

I think the point is they're not specifically predators of humans, like they didn't adapt specifically to prey on humans or anything. Humans have only been a target of opportunity or something they go after in fear or desperation.

I mean, who would make humans their favored prey? That's not a good idea.
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>>52374567
>I mean, who would make humans their favored prey?
The whale that Moby Dick was based on.
Got away with it, too.
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>>52374575
Moby Dick did nothing wrong. It was self-defense and he'd win any case if giant white whales were allowed in court or fell under jurisdiction of law.
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>>52373299
Corgies are hunting dogs, so assuming it's not one of the genetically compromised 'pure breeds' it might do OK.
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>>52374513
>>52374567
They don't have to be specifically preditory to just humans to be one of mankind's predators, you know. A predator is just something that will attack, kill and eat you if it gets the opportunity. Anyway, nothing is truly a predator to mankind anyway, since we're damn near the top of the food chain (ignoring industry and just going by hunting). Wolves are as close as nature gets to something that's an actual genuine threat to a general population. Bears aren't hunters and nothing else is really big enough or aggressive enough, the closest being a stalking jaguar or something.
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>>52374591
An actual genuine threat to general population is locusts. Wolves ain't shit.
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>>52374600
you know what the fuck i mean bro
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>>52374444
>teaching it to say "hello"
>not teaching it to say "nevermore"
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>>52374665
That's so raven
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>>52374665
Caw, caw.
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>>52374470
Hell yeah, MILFs
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>>52373436
I believe you're being mocked, not baited.
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>>52374384
>That's what the Aztecs used Chihuahuas for, at any rate.
Well, that and being scarified when someone dies to guide their soul to the underworld.
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>>52374484
wolves and dogs are proven by science to be the exact same species.
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>>52373213
mountain lions are best
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>>52374567
Imagine if there was an animal species that had specifically evolved to hunt humans.
What would such a creature be like?
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>>52374589

Corgis are herding dogs, not hunting dogs
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>>52374938
That creature is Man
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>>52374972
>not Woman
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>>52374999
>>52374972
>not jew
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>>52374938
Mimics.

Their primary diet is low-level adventurers. Open a chest, get eaten. Sit on a chair, get eaten. Try to knock down a door, the door eats you. Older mimics can mimic entire dungeons, and simply sit there for the majority of their time.
When enough adventurers enter, or send hirelings in to get the valuables out (dropped by other adventurers or eaten for use as bait), chomp.
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>>52375029
Mimics are lame.
Though, a creature specialized in hunting humans would probably need a way of infiltrating human society and hiding it's true nature, because humans exact a bloody vengeance upon any creature that slays one of us. That's why even big predators have evolved to be wary of us, because even if individually, we are weak, collectively we can kill anything found on this world, even without modern technology.
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>>52374972
>>52374999
>>52375023
>not Americans who want your oil
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>>52374938
It would probably be some kind of big cat that drags people off in their sleep. I think lions are the closest thing we have to a real maneater because they are an apex predator from the same continent as us.
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>>52373290
Mild distraction: What need was there to make the ass and only the ass of those pants as skin tight as possible. Why is she concerned enough about warming her upper body to not show it, but not concerned enough about her exact ass region that she allowed for tight as fuck leather pants. Furthermore, what is the deal with people drawing skanks and them always looking like tired mouthbreathers when it comes to facial expression?
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>>52375061
I heard someone needed some freedom so I can as fast as possible
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>>52375079
Lions could be a good contender. They are social creatures like us, so the advantage we have in co-operation and numbers, over solitary predators is much reduced. Though, still, even primitive technology can be used to kill lions. Bows and arrows, spears, javelins and so on. Our intelligence and technology means that no predator species is ever truly on even playing field with us.
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>>52375126
humans are still vulnerable to ambush predators. thanks to projectile weapons if we can see something coming at us we can kill it before it reaches us. But if something is hiding and takes you by surprise it would have better odds.
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>>52374484
>Their jaw strength can crush your bones.

So can a dogs. Well they actually both have to chew on it to an extent.

Hyenas on the other hand are more than happy to break right through. Technically speaking, they're closer related to cheetahs and the big cats than they are dogs, just as a point of reference.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2e5Pl-30o9I
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>>52375156
True, but thats only on the individual level. Unles the predator hunted exclusively just social outcasts, hobos etc, the killing of a member of the tribe would be noticed by the tribe, which would then proceed to seek out and kill the predator.
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>>52374938
Big ass catfish.

I remember reading/seeing something about catfish in India eating corpses in rivers, so they just made the switch to live people.
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>>52373271
My grampa (years ago before cities expanded as much as they did here) lived near the woods and he usually encountered wolves, he even made friends with a couple
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Perceptions of wolves have changed. Even as recently as Tolkien's time, wolves still occupied the "boogeyman" role in the European/American consciousness. It's only within the last 30-40 years or so that opinions have changed and the wolf has come to be regarded as a noble beast once more.

Wolves have an interesting relationship with people of European ancestry. In our earliest days, we revered them. As we advanced, we demonized them. Now that they're no longer a threat, we romanticize them.

Personally, I'm glad for the change. I think wolves are great. I'm a sucker for doggos and that's basically the fantasy: having a wild doggo that's super dangerous as your loyal pet.
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>>52374938
Will, come on, your movie was shit
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>>52374484
>wolves have always been one of mankind's predators

That's like saying locust and racoon are a predator. No, rather for the most part, humans have been the predators. At best they are acted as kleptoparasites.

Personally, I do not enjoy the idea of hunting dogs, but when the time comes to where they prey on my livelihood, or worse my friends and family, it's just a job, just like any other.
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>>52375061
>le i want your oil meme
>implying there isn't a massive oversupply of oil that's been keeping the price painfully low
>implying Canada isn't supplying a good portion of our oil
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>>52375242
I'd go more than 30-40 years. Wolves in the western world (North America and large parts of Europe) were nearly exterminated by the beginning of 20th century.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gray_wolf#Historical_range_and_decline_2
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>>52375260
That's a big woofer.
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>>52375279
4wooo
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>>52375275

Yes, but I'd argue perceptions only really started changing when the conservation movements started getting real popular.
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>>52375260
>durr Im so dead lol
silly puppy
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>>52375260
fake, wolves aren't that big
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>>52375339
the guy holding it has his knees bent so he looks smaller in comparison. grey wolves can be up to 180lbs though.
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>>52375339

Wolves can get really big.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sg1DfQmAS18
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>>52375339
what is its a direwolf?
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>>52375355
It's like a regular wolf, but the situation is far more dire.
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>>52375354
Is this video somebody using their phone to film a video they're watching on their computer screen? What the actual fuck.
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>>52375370
>>52375355
To be serious, a dire wolf is a very muscular wolf, not a very large wolf.
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>>52375120
It should be the US on the chain of the UN.
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>>52375211

Unless you're the Tsavo Man-Eaters or the similar lion that showed up in more recent years. Those learned well enough how to hunt humans that they became experts at it, and even organized communities couldn't mount a hunt for it because they were too good at evading humans and attack alone and unexpected.
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>>52375413
That's NATO... Which poland is one of the only behaving members of
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What is it about wolves that attracts the worship of autists? They are just fluffy undomesticated doggos. There are plenty of far more interesting animals like spiders or birds.
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>>52375443
Or the platypus. Which is the most interesting animal
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>>52375431
I doubt even such a beast could evade human retribution forever. And even if it could, it is doubtfull that it could pass that learned skill down to its offspring
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>>52375451
Platypi are dumb.
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>>52375431
And yet I saw them in a glass case not 10 days ago
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>>52375443
>They are just fluffy undomesticated doggos.

That's exactly why and your inability to understand that suggests you may be the autistic one in this scenario, friend.
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>all this wolf-wank
>Not commanding a fuckmothering Dingo or Thylacine

It's like you want to be poofters
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>>52375572
>picking a dingo instead of an ibis

It can poke holes in your bin bag AND sound like a piece of shit why doing it
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>>52373213
Because dogs are just wolves with autism and excessive neoteny.

Same as the fact that northern Europeans are just the descendants of the Balkanic population of humans that moved northwards as the snow receeded and due to the inbreeding caused by the sparcer population show excessive traits of neoteny of which blonde hair is one for caucasians.
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Ok so serious question. How prevalent and/or autistic can you get with rangers and druids? Obviously most people are going to want a utility bird or a big combat animal. Do the big cats get any love?

What about the outright monsters? Can you tame the dnd wolf variants? Winter wolves, wargs and whatnot. Or shit like wyverns? What is the monstrous cutoff point where a creature is impossible to tame
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>>52373213
Everything else mentioned in the thread aside, wolves don't create outstanding logistical problems because owning dogs is fairly normal and most fantasy societies would have made provisions for it. So having a wolf at your side is more a sign of laziness than lack of imagination. It's the 'but not too wild' option that is still capable of heavy lifting.
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>>52375443
Because wolves are basically Doggos But Cooler.
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>>52375626
>Do the big cats get any love?
if I recall druid with dire tiger form is broken as shit in pathfinder.
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>>52375649
Funky. I've a weakness for large cats tat I'd be otherwise hesitant to being up least I attract a round of drizzit accusations. But dammed if I don't think the idea of a tiger druid. Or a ranger with a fuckmothering jaguar would not be the absolute shit.

What about monsters though? is there some combination of levels and feats that would let your male human ranger archetype possess..say a manticore?
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>>52374741
Sexy.
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>>52374938
bears could actually do a pretty good job with modern humans.

they're faster than us, strong enough to break into houses and cars, and they're even fairly bullet resistant. they just don't really have the attitude most of the time.
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>>52374484
>Dogs have been bred and raised for millenia to be subservient to mankind
This doesn't really mean much. Put a few dogs in the wild or a Russian neighborhood and in a generation or two they'll turn back to their primordial instincts and maim people.
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>>52374525
Source/ stories?
I'm not trolling, it's a discussion I had with some friends a while back.
I was arguing that there is no reason why a big enough Wolf pack wouldn't kill two or three people by themselves.
We aren't very fast, we can't really fight, with out guns or weapons we are fucked... seems like a winning situation for the wolves
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>>52375286
Made me Kek
6/10
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>>52376258
> le anything popular is reddit meme
Please go. It's popular for a reason.
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>>52374525
>transplants to Alaska die all the time from this.

>In the half-century up to 2002, there were eight fatal attacks in Europe and Russia, three in North America,
>three in North America,
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wolf_attacks_on_humans
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>>52375079
>It would probably be some kind of big cat that drags people off in their sleep
I've read that leopards were feared in some parts of africa cause they would pull off shit like that. They would climp up in trees and then crash down through the thin roofs of the huts and drag away a victim in the ensuing confusion.

Lions are a seen as symbol of strength.
Leopards are the child eating boogeymen.
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>>52376458
That's interesting, I guess, but if you look at some of the alternative facts...

Please don't actually look at any "alternative facts".
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>>52376918
>Alternative facts

Sounds like a fancy way to say lie.
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>>52373271
Wolves are pretty much a social animal. If you abide their laws and they accept you as a pack member you can be friends with them. There Is a guy in Spain who was raised by wolves and is still alive. They even taught him to hunt; which part of the preys could be eaten and which ones thrown to the river to not contaminate the nest, which herbs to eat to heal, etc. There is a movie about his life.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jDriL5CUmjU
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>>52376938

That's the joke, yeah.
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>>52374591
>Bears aren't hunters

The only animal that actively hunts humans is the Polar Bear.
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>>52376984
Leopards too.
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>>52373213
well they were the first animal we domesticated and they have stuck with us since, i suppose its just natural.

dont know why we dont revere goats in the same way though, they were the (probably) second animal we domesticated, maybe its because they are assholes.
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>>52376938
Yes.
Kelly Anne Conway is a lying bitch.
This is known.
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>>52377684
or pigs. pigs supposedly are as intelligent as dogs. i guess people don't like them because they eat shit and were used for that for quite long time.
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>>52377788

It's true, they're actually quite intelligent.

It's just too bad that they're also delicious.
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>>52374470
>>52374457

Well, hiya there, Romulus, how's your brother?
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>>52374513
Yes such thing. The wolves in europe and asia, especially in europe, were such savage and efficient human-killers that every culture that we know about feared or were in awe by them. Even the romans adopted them as a motif, not because they venerated them, but that they were as scared shitless of them as everyone else and they tried to use that fear against their enemies. Sort of like Bale's Batman with the batsuit.

Also after the bubonic plague, wolves fattened themselves so much on human corpses that they got a taste for it and started to outright go out of their way to hunt humans.
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>>52373364
>what do you mean i have to choose between elf, dwarf, human or halfling, i wanna play a half-crystal-angel from rigel 7!
This is how you sound.
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>>52373271
Well, no, but they will go after cattle, kids, and children, which makes them a menace. You can usually get them to leave off with fire, gunshots, or your own dogs. Making as much noise as possible.

Only in a very, very lean winter or starvation conditions would a wolf alone attack a human.

Now, if you were stupid enough to get caught by a full -pack-, that's a different story. Brother Wolf alone is somewhat fair-minded and knows when he's beat. It's when he's got the whole family with him that you are fucked.
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>>52378615
Reminds me of some fucking faggot ranger player I had one who insisted on taking fucking dinosaurs as pets every game, no matter how little sense it made. He must have been a horror to deal with when the Jurassic Park craze was in full swing.
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>>52375572
What about an Emu?
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>>52376458
There's been 8 fatal attacks on humans in North America in the last 100 years.
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_w
olf_attacks_in_North_America
And 13 non-fatal attacks in the last 5 years.
One of these attacks was actually 3 separate incidents on one day, so actually 15 attacks in the last 5 years.

In conclusion Wolves attack us a lot. But they really fucking suck at it.
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>>52376395
Because it's easily digestible garbage which you gleefully lap up
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>>52374444
>Ravens
>Not Crows
>Not the smaller, more playful ones that have massive flocks, which are cool as fuck and called "Murders"
C'mon senpai, being in with the bird mafia is how you do.
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>>52379294
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On an unrelated note, I need /tg/'s opinion.

One of my players has just hit lvl. 3 as Ranger in 5e. Beastmaster. Needs to get her animal companion, now.
She really, really wants a unicorn.
Like, not for the stats or abilities. She fucking loves unicorns. Has unicorn everything. Toys, mugs, clothes.
I don't know.
On one hand, our game is relatively lighthearted, and I feel sort of NoFun.jpg about killing this dream of hers.
On the other, I'd really like to retain some semblance of game-world integrity. Unicorns are supposed to be mythical and magical, and nto a damn pet.

I don't know. Am I anal, or should I just shoot her down?
Obviously I would stat the fucking thing sensibly, like a pony or something, and it wouldn't have magical abilities.
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>>52379964
I'm thinking sidequest.
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>>52380007
sidequest where she gets the unicorn, but it follows of its own volition and is more like a sidekick that you have to ask to help rather than tell it.
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>>52379964

Definitely sidequest. Also require she be and stay a virgin in order to keep the unicorn. Try to avoid making that seem fetishy, if you can, because it's a legitimate deal with narhippos.
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>>52379964

Maybe let her acquire a unicorn foal whose mother was killed by poachers or monsters or something. It's small and weak but, if she cares for it, will grow into a powerful creature of myth that she can even ride.
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>>52380024
This. Sounds fucking awesome.
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>>52379964
>>52380007
>>52380024
>>52380103
>>52380183
Other options include doing the above in tiers. It starts out as a 'normal' horse and you unlock unicorn traits as you go.
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>>52373259
You are everywhere arent you
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>>52380183
Actually an interesting idea. Hmm...

>>52380103
For so many reasons no, and backstory-wise she has 4 kids already.
However, it could be an interesting way to keep her from murderhoboing too hard. She's been acting like the "grab everything not nailed down" kind of adventurer so far, which I put down to too many RPGs and being new to TTRP.
The unicorn might be an opportunity for a moral compass... Like, it's pure heart makes it cry and revile her, if she starts stealing, and stuff like that.
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>>52374848
Cougars actually hunt alone, so having one as companion is a good way to get some meat.
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>>52374959
>not having a corgi herd a bunch of goblins under your sword
Do you even minmax?
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>>52379964
Give her a pony with a horn stuck to its head. Make the DC to discern this very high because she *wants* to believe it. To everyone else it is very obvious. Over time her belief turns it into a real univorn
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>>52379254

>Wolves attack us a lot
>Average of 3 attacks per year

You're working with a weird definition of the phrase "a lot", this is like saying sharks attack us a lot, on average it's a whole hell of a lot less than other sorts of attacks, and if we were just looking at what animals was the most effective at attacking and killing us it would probably be something like the mosquito or the bumblebee
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>>52373213
Fuck me this episode of Jack got brutal right quick. Still wolfbro best bro.

Narrowly beats out the Scotsman if only because the Scotsman tried to feed Jack haggis.
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>>52373271
>>52378672
http://news.nationalgeographic.com/2015/03/150322-romeo-wolf-dog-animals-wildlife-alaska-ngbooktalk/

wow. such menace. very deadly. many stalk. much kill. wow.
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>>52379007
You can't have monster races as animal companions anon
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>>52379964
kick the barneyfag scum out of your group, barneyfags are cancer and should be considered mentally ill
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>>52379964
>Travelling magic man meets them on the road; tells her her call has been heard
>Summons a unicorn and offers her the reigns for [favor or price]
>The unicorn has a beautiful necklace-like piece of jewelry, and the man tells her she must never remove it for without it the unicorn would die
>The unicorn is brash and agressive, charging and goring with its horn
>If it's removed, the animal turns back into a rhino
>It's a permanent polymorph collar with a false magic aura put on it
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Because redrocket, best thing to breed your wife and daughter after horse and monstrous black mandingo BBC.
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>>52375451
Platypus is the shinning example god is real.
And he is an alcoholic.
>Okay so, uh *burp*
>mamimfer ok guys?
>but, but, but, listen *hic, burp*
>I... it ffucking lays EGGS. And has a beak.
>Like a pidgeon?
>No, you winged *burp* retard, like, uh, a.. yeah a duck. Also it's covered in fur.
>You shouldn't drink so m-
>It also has venomous talons. I'm a fucking genius.
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>>52381430
Exactly.

There's probably more deadly hippo attacks, and there are a hell of a lot less hippos than wolves and in a smaller geographical area. They aren't even carnivores, they just hate everyone.
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>>52374972

>Homo homini lupus est
Or
>Lupus est homo homini, non homo, quom qualis sit non novit
If you're feeling fancy.
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>>52374591
Some idiot hippies here in Washington are trying to deliberately reintroduce grizzly bears to areas that receive thousands of hikers a year. People are going to get eaten in the Cascades because of these granola-snorting dirt fuckers.

Yes I'm mad about it. I'd rather not have to haul a large firearm around with me on recreational hikes.
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>>52388352
And can see electricity
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>>52388578
Just let it happen man. Hopefully it'll kill off most of the stupid ones
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>>52374938
>>52375079

Literally leopards.
The majority of hominid fossils with signs of predation tracable to a still-living species were killed by leopards.

Lions and Tigers are seriously overkill when it comes to preying on hominids.
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>>52375443
Wolves have an image in popular culture of being wise, tough, and independent. I can totally see why some autist who gets shat on all day at school by the normies would seek to emulate wolves.
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>>52388578
Like how people get eaten in Victoria all the time?

Wait, that doesn't happen, because the bears don't like humans and humans don't like the areas bears live.

There's like four fucking people between highway 2 and Canada in the Cascades. It's not like they are putting the bears in the Rainier national park.
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>>52384713
Oh, so just because the Emu is a giant ass kickboxing bird with a temper problem that makes it a monster? At least cover it's switchblade packing mate the Cassowary
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>>52388695
>people seriously injured or killed by bears in US is close to nil
>people seriously injured or killed by drunken rednecks behind a wheel is hundreds a year
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>>52375339
Wolves are scored by skull width, because the weight difference between a well fed large male wolf with a full stomach and that same wolf when he hasn't eaten for a month can be almost 90 lbs (45 lbs of stomach and intestine contents and 40+lbs of body fat and muscle mass). That wolf had a 16 1/4 inch skull, the world record was 17 3/4. Weights aren't recorded officially by safari club, but the more reliable internet sources say that wolf weighs 140 lbs.

The heaviest wolf on record was 16 inches even and 175 lbs.

There is a captive wolf in Minnesota with an 18 1/8 inch skull that weighs 235 lbs with 25 lbs of gut contents, I've helped give him a physical as part of a field trip for a biology class.
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>>52374938
They're called Jews.
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>>52385765
perfect
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>>52379964

I said I'd allow it but pointed out it would be a full-fledged NPC with its own agenda. Player turned it down.

In retrospect, I kind of wished I'd just taken stats for a pony, taped a horn to it, used it to launch 2-3 plot hooks, and then upgraded it to a riding horse.

Your table may be different.
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>>52389664
If you're feeling bad because it's not what she wanted, I think the idea is pretty cool. I would've gone for it, anyway, but I like ambiguous magical stuff.
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>>52378615
One slight difference, there are thousands of other tamable animals left and you're only sticking to two generic choices.
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>>52374448
>Why are wolves the best companions?
>They're not/their knot
If only this pun worked in text.
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>>52374938

Goblin Punch is a blog that did a whole entire blog post on it.

Basically the main advantage of humans is numbers, being able to learn about things secondhand, the transfer of information, and pretty damn good eyesight.

Any creature that wants to prey on humans has to either be able to nullify these strengths or use them to their advantage. For instance a supernatural creature that spreads through memetic contact would be extremely scary, as simply learning about it puts you at risk. Things that can turn invisible for instance is quite scary for a human but for most animals with much better senses of hearing and smell it would be less of an issue.

But seriously big cats/leopards evolved to eat stunted monkey fuckers like us. They're already pretty good contenders.
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>>52375626

The only pathfinder character I ever made was a shaman/monk crossclass guy who I wanted to have a mountain lion companion with.

Then my DM told me I have to spend a full attack action to tell it to attack people and that it had to start as a baby to balance it. A fucking cougar.

Needless to say, that was also the last time I played Pathfinder.
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They use their cuteness and fluffiness to distract enemies. They engage in tactical pettings while you infiltrate. And in the field, they enact as a tactical cuddler. Of course, they also hunt, sense danger, and can rip a man's throat out, but that is just a bonus.
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>>52375413
Really it should be Americaball blinded while Britianball and NATOball giggling with glee.
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>>52374938
I imagine something like hyper intelligent chimps capable of communicating over large distances with ultrasound frequencies.
You really need to be able to out human humans to prey on them.
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>>52392371
I wont defend pathfinder, but that sounds like a problem with the DM, not the system. For instance the fucking iconic druid starts with a couger i believe; one of the first fucking iconics built by the system has one as an adult. I can fully understand your frustration.
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>>52388695
>Wait, that doesn't happen, because the bears don't like humans and humans don't like the areas bears live.
They're planning on deliberately introducing bears into places humans already go. This is Advanced Faggotry.
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>>52373299

People who don't like a barking vector of diseases that's emotionally dependent on you, for starters
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>>52396707
>barking
Git gud at dog training

>vector of diseases
Don't be a dumbass, take better care of your dog.

>emotionally dependent on you
Unconditional love is a positive.
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>>52388352
Thanks for forwarding this to me, grandma.
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>>52373213
Dogs and by extension wolves have been part of human life since before recorded history, at this point it's psychological.
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>>52373271
I've had a wolf for a while, and while he's mostly untrainable and there are obvious no's (do not touch the throat), he's pretty much a giant puppy.

People started from somewhere with dogs, anon.
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>>52399049
exactly.

most people with loud and annoying dogs are just terrible people who don't know what the fuck they're doing.
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>>52374848
>that moment where you realize the cougar bringing you its kill isn't out of loyalty
>it just thinks you're too retarded to feed yourself
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>>52401836
Why do you think your cat brings you dead birds?
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>>52373213
Wolves and humans have similar social systems and methods of hunting. Both are endurance hunters. Both are highly adaptable. Both are modest physically compared to their competition in their niches. Both are guile predators.

We esteem the wolf because we see ourselves in the wolf.
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>>52374484
The only animal that has been theorized to potentially a human predator are some species of saber cat. An animal that can kill you or even sometimes will eat a human is NOT a predator of humans. To be a predator of humans, the animal must regularly and naturally consume humans as part of its standard diet.
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>>52402337

That's not how predation works either in the wild you fucking faggot.

Secondly, there's a big fucking long list of what is a human. Pre-human ancestors were often preyed upon by big cats, end of story. You can argue they don't count since those aren't 'modern' humans', but whatever. Modern humans are apex predators anyway so it's irrelevant.
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>>52373364
>humanity has identified best beasts
>if you like them you're "uninspired"

You're such an individual, anon. I'm inspired by how unique you are. Great job.
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>>52374938
Giant raccoons.

Hear me out, they're amazing climbers, capable of lock-picking, already thrive in urban environments, and carry a disease that promotes disorder among humans that's even incurable if we don't catch it soon enough (rabies).

Giant raccoons would slaughter us.
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The best animal companion I've ever had in any game was a goat.
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>>52401942
Exactly the aforementioned reason. The only real difference is that a cougar can't fit a dead boar in my slippers.
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>>52385765
>party runs into antimagic field
>suddenly, the unicorn turns into a huge and ugly rhino
>"Uh, I can explain..." says the rhino awkwardly
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>>52373299
>liking annoying barking dogs that won't leave you alone and shit up your house
>we wuz wolves and shit

nah, fuck your shitty dogs
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>>52403944
>I can't invest the time to train this animal correctly
>It's the entire species' fault that I am shit

Yeah, you sound like a muslim.
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>>52389664
I'd have gone for it

She might not have understood how powerful unicorns are in DnD
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>>52404045
>making it a pet instead of something useful
>wasting time and money for it behave for a few minutes
>still comparing it to wolves

oh im sorry i thought we're in a wolf thread for a second here
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>>52396707
>t. Achmed
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>>52402758
and then they'd get shot, and hunted down to more or less extinction

something capable of being a human predator would have to have a way to stop bullets

Sure, giant raccoons could hunt unarmed humans, but so could half the big predators on the planet, and look where that got them

it would need some sort of bulletproof shell, which would be hard to do while keeping everything else that'd make it an ideal predator intact
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>>52375086
>What need was there to make the ass and only the ass of those pants as skin tight as possible
Canuck college student here i dunno why but its realistic loads of grils around here where parkas and yoga pants throughout the winter.
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>>52378574
[Citation needed]
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>>52401513
My parents have had 9 Spaniels in my lifetime, never had any problems in about 30 years of owning them. But the most recent one just won't shut the fuck up. As soon as you shut her out a room, or if she just wants attention she starts barking. Yet she obeys commands perfectly. Strange little bastard.
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>>52401836
>when you realise it isn't out of loyalty
>it is fattening you up
>house is made of meat instead of gingerbread
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>>52373259
>lol

...you know sms speak is against the global rules right?
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>>52388707
>hasnt heard about the emu war

google it bro; this birds fucking rock prestige and bragging points...
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>>52404239
They don't need to be bullet proof, just bullet resistant,which increased size will provide.

Besides I'm not seeing them as unstoppable Juggernauts, but more like assassin's that few people are aware of because most victims don't survive, the few who do go mad from rabies, and they nest and breed in the homes of their eaten victims giving them safe spaces to retreat to.
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>>52373213
Loyal, smart, strong, useful, social
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>>52374484
>wolves have always been one of mankind's predators.

Pffft. No.
There hasn't been a wolf attack on a human in decades. They avoid us at worst.

Only time they even get close to us is because they confuse domestic dogs for rival packs and will attack them if unattended.

Humans only hate wolves because we raise livestock and they tend to kill our herd, shepards almost hunted them to extinction in the states.
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>>52375206
Hyenas are feliforms, not caniforms.
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