Modern General

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8 rack or ponza for maximum salt?

>>52368933
>Playan
Unironically Skred
>Hating
Any combo is just fuck my shit up senpai
>Opinion/meta
DSJ is new hotness and will probably tone itself down a bit soon as people tune their decks around it's existence
>How do you feel about modern right now
Honestly modern always surprises me with how fun it is, even in the height of Eldrazi winter the format was super fun
>spiciest tech
been playing trinisphere in sb of skred which is kind of spicy
>Pet cards
sudden shock has always been a favorite of mine
Favorite Archetype
Any bloodmoon deck i'll try at least once, been a lost soul since twin died

They'll ban Thoughtseize.

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Who smug caster here?

>>52369018
>tune decks around DSJ
Please tell me how to do this

>>52369047
>they'll ban a completely fair card that hurts just about every deck that runs black
>just to hurt dsj which isn't even 10% of the emta and had 1 dominant tournament
wew fucking lad enjoy the (you)

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>unironically playing expeditions over foil ravnica shocks
These people........

>>52369059
DSJ is pretty weak to cards like RIP and obstinate baloth

>>52369099
>obstinate baloth
Nigga what
Yeah rip is okay until they discard it and then okay what now, alsothats sideboard shit

How does Little kid junk line up against DSJ?

>>52369142
Lingering souls is good, but it still gets outpaced

>>52368933

Can you believe people fucking waifu these cards?

I'm looking at you, MTGLion.

>>52369126
DSJ is still jund, and baloth dodges abrupt decay, bolt, and thoughtsieze, laughs at LotV, is a massive threat, and gets you back some life in the process.

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>>52369078
>Playing Foils
>Ever
LMAO not only are you falling prey to the markup jew but you are getting an inferior product as well.

>>52369059
Attacking their mana works pretty well against DSJ, as does attacking their graveyard. Playing bigger threats than them also works pretty well, as they are pretty much a lower to the ground jund.

I'm actually surprised how good a regular Death and Taxes does against DSJ. The Eldrazi Displacer version seems to just streamline things against them really well with flicking them around.

>>52368996
Depends. Do you enjoy when you cast spells, or salt when you don't cast spells? Ponza for the former, 8 Rack for the latter.

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>>52369327
>Not Tripple sleeving
Why you blame the game when you don't even know how to play it?
>Foil is Life
>Foil is Love

>>52369057
Is he black or asian?

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>>52369468
Eh, you're entitled to your opinion but foils just aren't my cup of tea, which kind of pisses me off when there are sweet alternate art promo cards that only come in foil without non-foil editions.

>>52369468
>playing ovary opals over volkan baga opals
baka

>>52369428
I want my opponents to feel like shit for spending over 1k on cardboard.

>>52369142

Reasonably okay for the most part, slight advantage in it favour but you will need to retweak from a stock list.

>>52369356
Spellweaver Helix will only grow stronger as more things get banned.

>>52369468
Triple sleeving offers no added protection from double sleeving and increases the bulk, literally why?

>>52369610

>implying theyre not gonna ban Ancient Stirrings

sorry anon, it's gonna suck

>>52369635
Green superponder is long overdue for a banning.

>>52369635
Ancient stirrings won't be banned until 2019, a year after they ban mox opal and ssg. It'll take wizards some time to fix this format but I believe in them.

>>52369667
Boo Hoogland pls go

>>52369691
Not until they ban a STRICTLY better ponder that is dominating the format and keeping degenerate decks afloat.

>>52369635
The more I think about it the more I realize how busted ancient stirrings.

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>>52369635
PLEAPSE PUHEPALSE PALEPSLASELPSALPEALPLSPLEPSLEPLESPL NO WIZARDS

>>52369746
Sorry anon we can't have vintage level cards like ancient stirrings in the format giving green decks an unfair advantage.

You can always play blue for good card selection :^)

>>52369722
It was fine until they made newdrazi, same with eye and temple. I really just cannot fucking fathom how no one in all of fucking wizards design team said "Now hol up, maybe thought knot is a little powerful to be cast consistently on turn 2.

>>52369763
>Ancient stirrings
>Green decks
I already don't like this mene

>>52369628
Opponents can't riffle-shuffle and I enjoy the extra "hardness" my cards get, specially since I have large hands.
Also it allows me to clean the sleeves more easily and allows me to use sleeves with pretty images without caring about the shuffle feel or possible damages.
>In case someone asks for opinions:
I found the Ultra-Pro Sleeve Covers to be much better than the KMC outer sleeves (CSG Mat&Clear). They are smaller, don't break as easily and, unlike the KMC one, they don't leave cuts in my hands after just shuffling a couple of times, with the only con of not having that Matte-back.

>>52369534
I got sick of Volkan's Opals (didn't like the "shell" at the background), and I have a boner for golden frames.

>>52369521
Historically speaking, both.

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>not having foil finks

smhtbqh famalam.

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>>52369862
>modern masters finks
>foil modern masters at all

>>52369918
I can't account for your shit taste, anon.

>>52369918
If I recall, only Modern Masters 2015's Foils suck.

>>52369857
Is MM17 snapcaster a fusion of the previous two!?

>>52369767
I mean if they're capable of missing the copycat combo then they probably didn't even think about a turn 2 thought-knot.

>>52369977
Nah, it's just a younger and whiter version of Travis Woo.

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>>52370026

its this guy

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>>52370098
Yes

>>52369794
You can just use the over-covers on your character sleeves without needing the perfect fits then.

>>52370452
Tried it, but still prefer tripped, deck boxes aren't a problem. Since I enjoy trading and selling, having the cards with perfect fit is always a must.

>trade for a foil Voice for $35
>already lost $15 of value on it

Fuck this, man. I thought that was a steal.

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>>52368933
>Playing
Jeskai Saheeli, Grixis Delver and Junk Gifts

>Hating?
Bant Eldrazi and it's retarded super Ponder

>Opinion on meta/shifts?
RW Prison might get more popular moving forward, Chalice on 1 + Blood Moon is really good in the format right now

>Spiciest shit you've seen?
Tom Ross' Kavu Predator Jund with a full set of Kavu Predator, Grove of the Burnwillows and Devour Flesh

>>52371123
How you get picture without all the glare?

>>52371123
it kind of irritates me to see people comparing stirrings to ponder when they're really not similar at all. digging 5 cards to 3, reorder/shuffle then draw vs. pick one and rest to bottom. it's more like a 5 card sleight of hand

>>52369206
Who else am I supposed to waifu in Bant Eldrazi, Thought-Knot Seer?

>>52369657
Green doesn't get banned.

It is inherently a fair color.

>>52371359
>he doesn't want to cuddle with eldrazi skyspawner

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Anyone else try out this shitpile?

May trim back on the jank, but so far it's been working pretty swell.
You make infinite mana, draw the deck, just typical degeneracy that vintage-level cards like Opal enable.
Dare I say it, Trawler is almost as powerful as Isocron Scepter; it's probably gonna be on the banlist pretty soon.

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>>52371548
>he doesn't want to crawl inside its warm and fleshy scion-sack

>>52371222
But anon, Ancient stirrings slots into almost every green deck just like ponder in every blue deck and has no restrictions just like ponder. It even sees more cards! It's a busted card that should have been banned a long time ago for enabling the same sort of degeneracy like ponder.

>>52371630
Yeah, Ancient Stirrings is vintage-level broken, just like Mox Opal.

>>52369059
>>52369377
what is "DSJ"

>>52371809
Damage Synergy Jeskai. It's just a stupid acronym for the fancy new URW Burn deck that's been putting up results.

>>52371809
Don't listen to >>52371841 he's memeing you.

It stands for Doomsday Sultai Jace. It's an acronym for the doomsday deck that uses jace to find the wincon along with doomsday.

>>52371809
I think it means "Death's Shadow Jund". I know Death's Shadow is gaining popularity, and Death's Shadow is considered favorable in a Jund-type Deck.

Search it up.

>>52371946
Lol death's shadow in a Jund deck, like he's gonna believe that.

It stands for Dredge Storm Jokulhaups. New deck running around that wins with a bitter ordeal/land destruction lock.

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>>52371841
>>52371889
>>52371946
>>52371994
These buffoons are all trolling you >>52371809 pay them no heed. DSJ stands for Deadly Spider Jund, a synergistic tribal deck that looks to slog down the game with efficient spiders and eventually win with Ishkanah.

>>52371809
>>52371946
Like I said, verify with a search engine.

>>52371946
how is the deck even good it looks garbage

>>52372017
>>52371994
>>52371841
>>52371946
>>52371889
Can you fucking memelords stop for one second and actually help someone instead of posting gay meme replies?

>>52371809
DSJ stands for Dark Selesnya Jitte a GW deck that splashes black and wins with Jitte.

>>52372017
>seige rhino into ishkanah
why hasn't anyone ever done this ever

>>52372069
Deadly Spiders Abzan could be the next big thing. Better get brewing, anon!

>>52372081
Don't tempt me WotC

I'd rather just slip a 1of into a grim flayer abzan netdeck tbqh

>>52372058
Fuck off with this meme shit, everyone knows DSJ stands for Dimir Sword Jugglers, a U/B deck based around throwing a bunch of the swords onto a Dimir Infiltrator.

>>52371483
GSZ
Hypergenesis
Birthing Pod
Bloodbraid Elf
Deathrite Shaman
Summer Bloom

How bad would it be to go to locals for the first time with a mono red burn deck.

>>52372466
Mono red burn isn't even that bad desu, you'll be fine.

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So, how do I trade this shit for a Liliana of the Veil? No one I know has one. This thing seems to be most expensive online (for modern masters), so cant I trade it for her?

>>52372595
Also, why is this the most expensive card in the whole set?

>>52372615
Because it goes in a lot decks. It grows easily for free for just trading creatures or popping lands. Can grow crazy big.

>>52372595
>So, how do I trade this shit for a Liliana of the Veil?
Ask them to pay the difference?

>>52372676
I dont think you understand the words I wrote.
"No one I know has one." translates to no one has a Liliana of the Veil. That means that no one I know has one. So I cant make them do anything if they dont have the card. Not sure what you meant there....

>>52372768
Use the internet, grandpa

>>52372768
Well i pulled a liliana and i'd trade you but i live in a different country.

>>52372796
Strange, its almost as if thats exaxtly what Im doing.... here. Asking what website might be best for such things.

But no, no... act cool. You're cool! How could you not? You called someone "grandpa".

>>52372839
Kys retard. You can't do something simple like figure out how to trade a card for another with the entire internet at your disposal.

>>52372839
You're annoying.

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Okay guys, I'm playing G/W hatebears. I'm thinking of adding two removal cards to my build. Either two declaration in stone or two dismember. Dismember hurts a lot and declaration in stone is sorcery speed. Or maybe I should just stick with 4 path and leave it at that?

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>>52372860
Consider pic related.

>>52372860
Coco into mangara.

Once it hits your turn you can exile anything. 2 of in a coco list should work

>>52372847
Im simply asking, its not that I cant. This is my first stop. Apparently shitposting is better than just answering my question... I guess.

>>52372851
I love u too

>>52372887
Completely forgot about this card. It helps with burn abit too.

>>52372901
I'm afraid mangara is a bit too slow for modern. If we had karakas then I'd most definitely run him.

>>52372887
This and Dromokas are sweet

>>52372860
>those curls on the foils
gross.

Why does playing abzan feel so bad now?

>>52373438
idk, because midrange is an unfun archetype that gets repetitive after awhile?

>>52373448
what archetypes do you consider fun

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Is there anything danker than vines of the vastwooding a path of exile or other such removal tripe?

>>52373483
idk, I suppose they all get stale after you've played them enough. I'm on tron right now after playing nothing but midrange for the past year or so but after the novelty wears off I'm sure I'll shelf it for something different.

Maybe something tempo-y like Bant Spirits? It looks like a fun valuetown deck with lots of cute interactions and synergies.

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>>52373486
This

>>52373624
lol! They always make new cards to replace the old!

>>52372595
I'll trade you straight across for a lili of mine

>>52373656
>five years from now, the average pauper deck will beat 2017 era modern Jund

Jump-starts that grey matter.

>>52373624
I've got both in my deck. :^)

>>52373844
lol! That's the name of the game!

>>52369206
MTGlion has something like 500 Thalias, right? Some crazy number.
Honestly that shit is downright impressive desu

>>52369526
This really needs a nonfoil printing. I was so tempted by the art I almost shelled out for it at a GP when I needed copies for my deck. Part of me wishes I did. I don't normally even bling out decks. I still wish I enjoyed+was good enough with a particular deck to main, foil and trip sleeve it.Halp.

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Playing?
WX Thought-Knot Taxes

Hating?
YOU

Opinion on the current meta? Do you expect any meta shifts?
Blah blah blah Shadow Jund blah blah Ad Nauseam blah blah Tron

How do you feel about Modern right now?
Feels store-credit-farm man

What's the spiciest tech you've seen?
one of the shop ringers top 8'd an iq playing Alabaster Kirin in Tron on the premise that 'the deck is so powerful you can just jam whatever and win'

Any pet cards?
Thalia, Guardian of Thraben

Favorite Archetype/Deck?
Death & Taxes/White Weenies

>>52372963
>I'm afraid mangara is a bit too slow for modern. If we had karakas then I'd most definitely run him.
you can do the trick with eldrazi displacer if you're so inclined.

>>52372860
consider playing Tireless Tracker instead of more removal, or simply sideboard two copies of Oust or Blessed Alliance to deal with Shadow Jund

>>52372907
Your fucking question was "How do I trade this card?" Not where, not even what sites you could use to trade. You left a vague question and got anally devestated by confused shit posters on a Taiwanese Flip Book Animation board.

Take your fucking goyf outside and throw it in a river you retard.

I want to build Sultai midrange or control but am afraid of being anally ravaged by Blood Moon, despite packing hate.
I also am interested in exploring greedy manabases just so the thing runs smooth as fuck.

It's so hard to not just default on Jund midrange and Grixis/Jeskai Control.
How do you do it, Abzan players? Esper control guys?

Also: any other fans of the Sultai wedge here care to share thoughts and feelings?

>>52368933
just finished UB faeries

(spoiler) how much fun am i in for (/spoiler)

>>52374847
Look at that sultai delirium list from not too long ago. Looked prettyfun

>>52368933
>the mana dork in this image is a $70 card
Kill me.

>>52375284
You had plenty of chances to buy it for less

>>52375419
This is correct. I regret not getting the judge promos for 80 a piece.

So why do you guys play Modern?

>>52376063
its the second best format

>>52375096

anon that isn't how you spoiler things.

>>52376063
Partially because it's the middle ground between "You are like baby" Standard and "I want $3500 deck" Legacy. Partially because it do fires up more often than other constructed formats.

But mostly because we hate ourselves.

>>52376125

It seems like most people don't like the formats they play.

>>52376214
I'm convinced that no one LIKES MtG at all, and despite WotC's repeated atempts at destroying their own game, stubborn needs keep playing to perpetually reach for the "glory days" of the Magic of their youth. That everyone who plays this game is just an angry curmudgeon.

>>52372839

Are you autistic? People are helping you by giving you suggestions and you're being a sarcastic little shit for no reason.

>>52372851 said it best.

Are there pink die lifecounters?

>>52376834
kys

>>52376864
I was given pink sleeves. My autism requires pink dice.

How garbage is Esper Draw go? I have plenty of other decks, but I much prefer Control decks, and this is the most controlling of them it seems. I really just want to play a gearhulk in modern. Also why don't esper lists run Ancestral Visions?

>>52377420
the best counterspell in modern is 4cmc so it doesn't help when you need it. The next two best are 1U but mana leak becomes useless the longer the game draws on and remand is only a temporary answer. combine that with no real clock (jeskai and grixis have snap-bolts at the very minimum) and it's just not that great.

but if you cram enough fatal push and path to exile in there it can probably work at the FNM level.

>>52376063
i haven't enjoyed standard in several rotations and i can't play legacy right now because of a work schedule conflict.

>>52373483
Tempo is the way magic should be played with a splash of combo

>>52375096
None. The deck is painfully slow and not very good to boot.
Why would you build a deck like that without trying it first?

>>52376214
Maybe all the cynical morons that use this site. I love it and so do all the people I play with.
Sure, there are some issues but nobody is ever met in the real world is as much of a crying shit lord as your average anon

>>52376834
Who makes a post like this? I imagine you have a safety helmet and drool a lot. Just fucking google it. Also why the fuck wouldn't they.

>>52377420
Ancestral Vision I sorcery speed and doesn't provide smooth drawing. It gives you sharp, irregular, bursts of draw. Basically because think Twice is better. The mana efficiency doesn't outweigh its sorcery speed delayed effect.

midrange is the best way to play

>>52377840
Midrange was a mistake.

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>last night my opponent pathed my fucking birds of paradise
Literally didn't even know what to say, like I thought it was a joke

>>52377771
What has been posted cannot be unposted.

>>52377840
Yes, which is why you should play the king of midrange, Skred.

>>52377859
>skred
>midrange

>>52377846
Go play standard you fag

>>52377850
I imagine he wanted to make sure nothing got in the way of his attacks.

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>>52377868
>implying skred isn't midrange

>>52377964
When does Skred play the beat down? It doesn't. It's control

>>52377903
Midrange is magic for standard babies you shit. It's the easiest and most forgiving form of magic. Get out of here with muh topdecks you scrub

>>52377979
They play the beatdown when they play a koth and attack with a land or play a stormbreath and attack with haste. They are a deck that plays threats and removal how is this not classic midrange?

Thinking of giving modern a try and I am not sure what I wanted to play, so I was wondering if there was any good toolbox decks being used right now?

>>52372860

Stick with 4 path. Also add Surgical Extraction to the side. Right now the problem with your current list is that it has no BEEF. Get like a Loxodon Smiter or a Wilt Leaf Liege in there.

>>52377995
Midrange decks tend to have a lot of decision trees that are unique to the circumstance by the nature of the deck being able to play control or aggro, what makes you think it's easier than say some combo deck that can be played with a flow chart or burn or the likes?

>>52378018
There's a naya eldritch evolution list that's decent.

>>52378008
The 4-5 CMC threats? Lmao. That is what control decks do bucko.you couldn't aggro another deck if you wanted to. If you want a hint at what midrange is like. Look at tarmogoyf

>>52378273
>heh, nuthin personal, kid

>>52378041
It really seems like you've only played a few midrange decks if not only one and you're perception is out of whack in regards to other archetypes

>>52378287
Awe, did you get booty blasted?

>>52376063

Because the format is generally wide open and you face a general diverse range of decks to play with and against.

Are there any decks that can play Emrakul the Promised End that aren't complete trash? I like the card and I wouldn't mind running it desu

>>52378459
You can play her in Tron but that would make you a huge faggot for playing Tron

>>52378499
Doesn't really seem that good in tron desu, I think it would make more sense in like a control delirium shell

>>52378527
>control delirium shell
Not a thing desu and some meme tron lists run her.

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Why doesn't this card see any play? It really is pretty easily hymn to tourach in the right shell, and it's splashable, and Hymn is a real good card.

>>52378614

Hymn is a real good card because it doesn't require any setup
Whispers requires that you fetch, bauble, architects of will to be able to t2 it effectively.
that said, that's a really good setup. I feel like this card is a sleeper like Traverse just waiting a deck.

>>52369057
I actually prefer this art unironically

Is there any reason to play any other BGx memerange deck over DSJ?

>>52378681
>fetch bauble architects
>3 card types
Makes me think

>>52372069
Because 5 mana for a 3/5 is awful and ito nly gets marginally better when it comes with 3 chump blockers.

>>52373624
>>52373486
>playing removal during combat against infect
ISHYGDDT

>>52376063
Because I get to play with cards that I think are fun and standard is no fun allowed.

>>52378731

oh fuck
really got my synapses firing
fetch architects probe
fetch bauble street wraith inquisition

idk man

>>52378804
>fetch tarfire the bird then cycle street wraith
>next turn hymn them
Seems pretty good, just bought 150 of them for a nickel, if it ever goes to a dollar or 2 I'll be happy

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>>52378795
I wish tiers was an extended standard that allowed people to use a few older sets, too. Modern can be fun but it always seems to devolve into who can spend the most money on overpowered decks instead of playing for fun.

>>52378822

I'm not sure it ever will but it's definitely a modern power level card if it ever finds a home, I remember being pretty excited for it when it spoiled

inshallah

>>52378829
Modern would honestly be so much better if they just banned 8th and 9th edition, solves a lot of the bullshit problems

>>52378850
الموت للكفار الله أكبر صديق

>>52378897

جوجل المترجم

>>52378859
Literally nothing good would come of that unless blood moon and ensnaring bridge make you so assblasted you want to ban entire sets.

>>52378859
Sorry, I don't really know the editions. I only started playing in Return to Ravnica and haven't been very active since Dragons of Tarkyr. (If that is what it's called.)

I like to play themed decks and build them on my own to play for fun. Like a coin flip deck, for example.

The group I play with will look up and try to build the most overpriced deck using professional builds and such. Sometimes they'll use a theme like Angels, but look up the strongest builds.

I'm all for friendly competition but they stopped playing for fun and started playing to stop the other player from having fun.

>>52378950
أنا مارس الجنس أمك في الحمار

>>52378986
>No blood moon
>No Tron
>No Ensnaring Bridge
How would this not objectively make modern a better format?

>>52379005

I'm not having fun anymore

>>52379005
I thought that Muslims weren't supposed to touch pigs

>>52379077

rude

>>52379040
because it would kill several decks and you would lose checks to greedy manabases and creatures the tappening. Just because those cards make hurt your fee fees doesn't mean the format would be better off with out them.

>>52379040
You're killing magic. Whiny cunt

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>>52378459
anything slightly boros....

>>52379040
opposite direction.
>see_me_after_class.jpeg

>>52379103
>because it would kill several decks
I don't see any problem with being rid of Lantern, Tron and blood moon decks
>you would lose checks to greedy manabases
Blood Moon doesn't keep greedy mana bases in check because decks like Jund and Grixis Control still exist in spite of it. You fucking blood moon apologist retards love to point to this as evidence for its justified existence in the format but really it doesn't hold any water. There are enough good cards in 3 colors that there is rarely a reason to splash a 4th color and having a fetch shock mana base makes your match ups vs aggro and burn that much worse. That's the reason why more of those decks don't show up, not Blood Moon.
>Creatures the tappening
It sounds like you're the one with the hurt fee fees here, faggot.

>>52379171
Go play legacy if you want to play stax then

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Anyone has tried this on strom? thinking of this and noxious revival for a gifts package

>>52378319
I'm not who you were talking to, your post was just cringey, deal with it.

>>52379222
Go cry somewhere else

>>52379290
Go fuck yourself

>>52379272
Boo fucking hoo

>>52378804
Wait isn't the card in the graveyard before it resolves? That would give you 4?

>>52379314
No, cards are put into graveyards after their effects resolve

>>52379244
Won't your opponent just give you the soul every time?

>>52379335
Then what's with the lightning bolt on tarmogoyf deal?

>>52379309
Blue nine giraffe

>>52379222
>I don't see the problem with getting rid of blood moon decks, tron and lantern
>you're the one with hurt fee fees tho
lmao

>doesn't keep greedy manabases in check
>implying an early blood moon doesn't shit on those decks
If we didn't have blood moon the format would slowly turn to 4c goodstuff regardless of aggro since there is no reliable way to punish shit like that, you'd still be losing the same amount of life as a 3 color manabasse so that argument is retarded.
>there is rarely a reason to splash a 4th color
wrong

>It sound like you're the one who's assblasted here
coming from the guy who want's to kill decks and reduce diversity just because his fee fees get hurt by perfectly balanced cards that have counterplay

Go play frontier or standard if you don't want 8th/9th you faggot

>>52379353
Delirium checks on cast

>>52379353

because its in the graveyard before state based effects are checked and thats when tarmogoyf would die

when it resolves and goyf is a 2/3 with 3 damage but ticks up to a 3/4 with 3 damage
when whispers of emrakul resolves, there are only 3 card types and there are 4 after the effects have happened when whispers hits the GY.

>>52379353
State based effects aren't checked until a player would receive priority. Lightning bolt puts itself into the graveyard as part of the resolution after it has dealt 3 damage and since goyf has a characteristic defining ability that just works at all times it sees the bolt in the graveyard before state based effects are checked to see the 3 damage marked on it

>>52379436
>>52379454
>>52379418
Gotcha thanks

>>52379391
>If we didn't have blood moon the format would slowly turn to 4c goodstuff regardless of aggro
Where is the evidence for this
>you'd still be losing the same amount of life as a 3 color manabasse
This is wrong. With 3 colors you have a lot more room to play basics and other on color lands. 4 color mana base would have many more shocks and fetches and would require you to pay life in order to be consistent
>perfectly balanced cards that have counterplay
You forgot your :^)

>>52379515
Fuck off retard

>>52379628
Cool rebuttal faggot, you sure changed my mind

>>52379656
I don't care what you think. I'm not here to change your mind. You're just a moron. Go play battle cruiser magic and hush

If I wanted to run a tap out BUG control deck that wants delirium, is lignify just too garbage of a card, or is it okay in the format right now?

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>>52379689

>>52379689
Why would you want that? You have black and green, your removal is good

>>52379515
>This is wrong. With 3 colors you have a lot more room to play basics and other on color lands. 4 color mana base would have many more shocks and fetches and would require you to pay life in order to be consistent

I play a 4c deck and I find that I am paying a lot of life

I run something like 10 fetches, 6 shocks (for every 2c combination), 3 basics (U is a splash so I dont have a basic for it) and 3 {C} utility lands

>>52376063
I started playing about a year ago and when I was looking for a format to play Standard seemed like a complete scam, legacy/vintage seemed way too expensive, and modern let me play most of the cards I own.

Why I still play it now is because I like the diversity of decks floating around the format; I can go to 3 events in a week and not play against the same deck twice (even if half those decks are variations of aggro)

>>52379711

>delirium

he wants tribal, but I dont know if he realizes that he's not gonna have Lignify in his graveyard unless he pitches it to collective brutality or spends another card killing the creature he already spent a card on.

>>52379666
You couldn't change my mind because you're a fucking moron. I don't give a fuck if you want to play your masturbatory prison decks in your commander league but that shit does not belong in modern. Also how stupid do you have to be to think that someone who wants to ban tron wants to play battle cruiser magic?

>>52379764
Here's your reply. Enjoy it

>>52379780
Right back at you ;)

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>>52379689
Why not run this or something like Seal of Doom/Primordium instead? You don't get Tribal but they'll consistently be in your graveyard

>>52379764
>does not belong
You're literally just throwing this asinine asshurt conjecture out there, how about you argue for it?

>>52379764
>hurrr I literally don't have the brainpower to play around moon. I play no basics and can never tell if my opponent is on a blood moon plan until I'm staring directly at it

>>52379824
>green gets cantrips regularly now
What. The. Fuck. Why?

>>52379342
does not matter, cast the rituals and then recharge your hand

>>52379830
8th and 9th edition are full of relics of a bygone Era of magic design that have no place in modern

>>52379858
>recharge your hand
And their's. Seems bad

>>52379866
No no, he said to give reasons why you think this. You don't seem very good at getting your ideas out into words

>>52379515
>you forgot your :^)
Oh yeah almost forgot, you can't fetch basics for a blood moon deck or kill enchantments and artifacts since there are no mainboard or sideboard cards that do so :^) fucking idiot.

>where is the evidence for this
Frontier and standard not too long ago.

>>52379764
>I don't give a fuck if you want to play your masturbatory prison decks in your commander league but that shit does not belong in modern
Just go play standard or frontier you fucking mong, just because you don't like certain strategies doesn't mean they shouldn't exist, especially when plenty of counterplay exists to those strategies. Not to mention that moon and bridge decks aren't even a relevant percentage of the meta.

Fuck off and go cry on reddit, I hear if you actually do it enough they might ban the cards to fix your fee fees!

>>52379833
>every deck always has access to basics and a playable hand at all times and never has to mulligan

>>52379911
>blood moon always comes gown turn 3 and you only draw non basic, non fetches

>>52379911
>what are fetchlands for 500 alex
>implying blood moon decks don't have the same issues in their own way

>>52379866
Then ban rest in peace, chalice and stony silence. They hate out decks just as much.

>>52379939
No man. Blood moon decks never mulligan and always have the perfect draws. Duh

>>52379866
Ban every card that isn't a vanilla beater I want to smash grizzly bears against each other.

>>52379896
>Counter play
There's that phrase again. Maybe if you keep repeating it and screaming about reddit eventually you'll be somehow be right. There is no guarantee that there can be counter play to blood moon, there is no guarantee there can be counter play against bridge, there is no counter play vs tron lands. Not a single deck that plays any of these things is anything less than degenerate.

Frontier and standard are irrlevant, their card pool isn't nearly deep enough to be considered in this conversation

>>52379911
>every deck always has access to basics
What kind of moron doesn't run 1- 4 basics? Even Tron runs a single forest.

>>52379993
This has to be bait.
>there are no answers to these cards
Can't be serious

>>52379950
>Chalice
Fine
>Stony silence
What decks can't still win through stony silence? Ad nauseam? Lantern? Not that big a loss honestly
>RIP
I'm ambivalent about this, obviously it's a very strong hate card that was insanely pushed but at the same time the decks that it shuts down are mostly linear combo decks and who cares if they get hated out

>>52380008
>Every opening hand vs blood moon is capable of fetching basics to combat it while also being a hand that's playable on its own

>>52380028
So you've just proved you're ass hurt that blood moon hurts your deck and don't actually care about hate cards

>>52379993
>There is no guarantee that there can be counter play to blood moon, there is no guarantee there can be counter play against bridge
there's also no guarantee that those decks have those cards either retard. But here's a list of cards that are run commonly that answer both you fucking mong
>ancient grudge
>abrupt decay
>Kommand
>Arguably any hand disruption
>fetching basics
>exalted on 0 power creatures
>blinking bridge with flickerwisp
>nature's claim
>seal of primordium
>counterspells
I can go on but this post hass ousted you as a a retard enjoy the (you)

>>52380019
The window in which you have to answer blood moon is so insanely small. Ensnaring bridge is only really answered by ancient grudge because any lantern player worth their salt will have discarded or milled your answers to it

>>52379881
>And their's. Seems bad
You either don't play storm, or are a really bad player

>>52380076
Oh no, strategies work? That can't happen, better ban things.

>>52380057
>>52380057
>abrupt decay
Better hope you're not tapped out on your opponents turn 3 otherwise you're dead
>Kommand
Discarded or milled
>Hand disruption
If you're lucky enough to have it turn 1 or 2
>Exalted
Irrelevant
>Flicker wisp
Why are you playing this card?
>Claim
If you're playing tron blood moon already does nothing vs you
>Counterspells
Same as discard and also has the same disadvantage as abrupt decay

>>52380076
>any lantern player worth their salt will have discarded or milled your answers to it
I'm a lantern player and you're objectively wrong. When you play against a deck like jund that has a high density of cards that can kill bridge, it's never that simple and you don't always have a complete lock in play either. The only deck that is commonly played that can't answer bridge is merfolk

>>52380049
Uh, yeah. You only need 1 basic for most enchantment destruction anyway. Also, floating mana with blood moon on the stack is a thing. And if you get blown out game 1 against mainboard moon, you still have two more games to play around it. I don't see the big deal.

>>52380134
Do not reply. This is obvious bait

>>52380134
here's your last (you) you made it too obvious. this might have worked before the opal guy though.

>>52379244
Past in flames is way better.

>>52380301
Yes but nobody will remove any pif for this

>>52379851
>It's ok because you need a land in play, and that's a big enuff drawback, plus it's on flavor because green likes lands

>>52379824
Buy your copies now boys, this along with crytpolith rite will break modern once 8th and 9th edition are banned

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>>52379974
Tight

>>52380637
>Not Curse_Your_Sudden_But_Inevitable_Betrayal.jpeg

Wasted.

>>52379851
Every color has access to cantrips

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>>52379851
>>52380436
Green has always been getting cantrips you sperglords

>>52380700
I'd never heard of that before, I don't watch firefly, or any tv really.

>>52379764
Maybe stop being a Jundfag mouthbreather and git gud at the game or go back to Standard. I couldn't care less about if you change your mind or not. 8th and 9th are there to stay and it is you who should make Wizards change their mind so they ban them. Now stop crying, git gud at the game, and adapt to beat hate cards. Actually, you're forced to.

>>52380879
stop giving him (you)'s

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If you were going to make a BUG modern toolbox creatures to get off Traverse, or as I like to call it, better worldly tutor, what would some of those cards include? I'm thinking about stuff like Shriekmaw, or Tireless Tracker, things like that. What would be good for this meta?

>>52381068
Tarmogoyf and death's shadow

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>>52381116
Thank you so much for your epic suggestion

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Why couldn't they have just made torrential gearhulk not exile the card from the graveyard so you could loop shit and actually have it be modern level good card? Seriously, 6 mana creatures better just win you the fucking game in modern.

>>52381068
Glen Elendra
Swagtusk
Ishkanah

>>52381181
Because that's busted

>>52381181
We don't print for modern :^)

>>52381068
Gatekeeper of malakir
Vendillion clique
grim flayer
Kitchen finks
Kalitas
Eternal Witness
Fulminator Mage
Bob
Thragtusk
Jace vp

>>52381068
Coiling oracle
Phyrexian obliterater

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>>52381181

i pretty well support this but it would be obnoxiously easy. it would just go infinite with this

it would need not to have flash if you wanted it to do that cause that would be fucked

>>52381472

>it would go infinite with this
in standard, might I add. In block. Any draft that hits gearhulk has a good chance of having this combo.

>>52381181
I recognize the urge to play Toerrential Gearhulk because it has 'control finisher' written all over it...
...but the real way to see it be playable would be to have the format slow down considerably.

MaRo did say the pendulum had swung too much toward threats, and they're looking at swinging it more toward answers (He said this with respect to the printing of Fatal Push.)

Maybe we will see more badass removal coming in, and maybe we'll see games slow down to allow for value (read: not combo) control decks to thrive.

I want to believe.

>>52381522
Simic removal please

>>52381736
yes please remove those shit colors

>>52381762
Rude

>>52372595
Can we take a second to discuss just how dumb and overly blunt that flavor text is?

Undecided between Amulet Titan and Dredge, how viable is the latter?

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>>52381116
>Tarmogoyf and death's shadow
This plus Thought Scour.

Maybe pic related?

>>52381849
Much more viable than titan. If GP brisbane is any measure it's still a force to be reckoned with.

So has anyone posted that spicy UB artifact control list running Whir of Invention yet? Apparently the deck ain't half bad.

>>52382031
>Apparently the deck ain't half bad.
Says who?

>>52382052
Well I heard it was winning FNMs and everyone's a tryhard who netdecks tier 1 lists these days so there must be SOMETHING to it.

>>52369057
If that's a playmat underneath the card would you mind posting a full pic of it?

>>52382067
>tryhard
This means nothing. Pls go now

>>52382124
Suck my fat black cock.

>>52382124
How exactly does it mean nothing?
Pretty sure it means spike mentality players who take competition seriously.

>>52382067
>everyone is a tryhard who netdecks tier 1
You're in the wrong thread bucko

>>52382067
>tryhards
Oh no.

>>52382165
I wasn't fucking complaining you retard, only stating that in a field full of people like that the deck still puts up wins, and that's why I was interested in it.

>>52382157
WHY ARE PEOPLE PLAYING MAGIC TO LOSE
MAKING A SHITTY DECK IS AS EASY AS RUNNING 61 LANDS

>>52382157
Pretty sure it's a derogatory term for shitters that don't understand why people would want to play good, consistent decks.
How is wanting to win a bad thing?
How is trying a bad thing?

>>52382189
this, desu

>>52382157
the only people who call anyone a tryhard are scrubs.
don't be a fucking scrub

>>52382181
It has nothing to do with you complaining, you're wording gives you away as a fucking shitter pls leave

>>52382231
Heh, almost got me with that troll post, kiddo ;^)

>>52382252
kys

Come back when you stop using words like tryhard and netdecker you fucking scrub, we don't need your kind here.

>>52382286
Aren't you an elitist prick.

>>52382286
>don't want try hard and netdecker
>unironically uses scrub

lol!

>>52382115
Nah, it's just a box of MM17 I bought for sealed.

>>52369047
They will not do this
But if they did, they should just go ahead and ban lightning bolt and tarmogoyf, too, cuz wtf is modern anymore

>>52382372
Funny how you immediately jump to Jund colors.

>>52382431
Modern is jund. What's good for jund is good for modern.

>>52382431
? Or snapcaster or path, whatever. What do Jund colors have to do with anything? I play u/w control I can't afford Jund

>>52382485
>Unban Bloodbraid Elf and Deathrite Shaman!

>>52372615
that's a 5/6 twodrop anon.

>>52381832
I like it

How do you say Jund'em in Naya?

>>52382828
Lose

Naya blows

>>52381472
Wow a 2 card infinite combo that only lets you draw your deck but not win on the spot, coming down about turn 6, so OP in modern

>>52382943
>draw entire deck
>can't win

white really is the worst color in modern

>>52382943
>can't read a thread
Spotted the 1-3 loser who never reads cards.

>>52383150
I'm the guy who posted the original gearhulk suggestion. I was saying, even if it was that broken, it would still require a 2 card combo and your gearhulk to live. Seriously twin was a pain cause you couldn't even tap out turn 3, but if you're fine until 5 I'd see no problem.

>>52381068
traverse snap traverse
scavenging ooze
spellskite
faerie macabre
thrun
revoker

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UNBAN SPLINTER TWIN

>>52383869
>>52381390
>>52381328
>>52381213
>>52381116
>>52381068
Damn now I want to try this

>>52383905
Sure right away, sir. Why didn't you say so earlier?

Help me with this deck please
Creature (16)
1x Architects of Will
1x Courser of Kruphix
1x Emrakul, the Promised End
1x Eternal Witness
2x Jace, Vryn's Prodigy Flip
1x Kalitas, Traitor of Ghet
1x Scavenging Ooze
1x Shriekmaw
2x Snapcaster Mage
1x The Gitrog Monster
1x Thragtusk
2x Tireless Tracker
1x Torrential Gearhulk
Planeswalker (4)
2x Garruk Relentless Flip
2x Liliana, the Last Hope
Land (25)
4x Blooming Marsh
1x Botanical Sanctum
1x Breeding Pool
2x Creeping Tar Pit
1x Forest
1x Ghost Quarter
1x Hissing Quagmire
1x Island
3x Overgrown Tomb
3x Polluted Delta
1x Swamp
4x Verdant Catacombs
2x Watery Grave
Enchantment (1)
1x Seal of Doom
Artifact (3)
3x Mishra's Bauble
Instant (12)
2x Abrupt Decay
2x Dismember
1x Far
3x Fatal Push
2x Scour the Laboratory
1x Slaughter Pact
1x Sultai Charm
Sorcery (14)
2x Collective Brutality
2x Damnation
2x Inquisition of Kozilek
1x Maelstrom Pulse
1x Raven's Crime
4x Traverse the Ulvenwald
2x Whispers of Emrakul

>>52384052
I play rip and laugh

>>52384052
I would not play scour the laboratory or that garruk

>>52382189
Wouldn't it be easier to run just 60 lands?

How many Walking Ballistas should I run with Eldrazi Tron?

>>52384295
All of them

Like, your deck should just be a pile of walking ballistas with an eldrazi tron deck accidentally shuffled in there. Ballista wins games.

>>52378459
The problem with Promised End is that she's just an all around poor choice to cheat into play and if you aren't cheating them into play you're tron, and tron doesn't want Promised Emmy.

>>52378996
Magic is a competitive game, not a circle jerk.

I'm not sorry your friends started actually playing the game.

>>52384330
How many Basillisk Collars with the Ballistas?

>>52384052
>Ravens Crime

Did I miss something? Or more and more B using decks ram in atleast one copy nowadays.

>>52384461
It's a straight auto win against control

>>52384052
here you go dude

https://www.mtggoldfish.com/articles/emrakul-the-promised-end-in-modern-sultai-delirium-modern-stream-highlights

>>52379222
>fetch catacombs
>fetch crypt
4 life lost

>fetch catacombs
>fetch fountain
4 life lost

??

>having a fetch shock mana base makes your match ups vs aggro and burn that much worse
>Jund and Grixis Control still exist in spite of it

?????

>>52379515
>he doesn't remember the standard shitshow that was 4 color battle for supremacy that arose because one set of fetches and inferior fetchable duals were in standard

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>>52384489
>>52384514
he wants to ban 8th and 9th and he has even more retarded replies further down.

Why are you giving him (you)'s?

>>52384489
That's actually only 6 damage but the point is that if you're playing 4 colors you are playing more fetch lands and shocks than a 3 color deck and less on-color duals that don't require you to pay life. Combine this with the fact that as a 4-color deck you will need to fetch and shock a lot more frequently in order to consistently be able to play your spells.

>>52384514
A 6-set standard environment is not Modern, there are many more good cards in modern which lowers the need to splash the 4th color.

>>52384544
You haven't given a good reason why either of those sets should still be modern legal and you're STILL mad

Why are there no fun decks in modern?

>>52384578
Because you touch yourself at night

>>52384578
Plenty of decks in modern are fun. But I agree that a lot of decks are either insanely linear to the point of boredom or basically just lock you out of the game which is hardly even playing at all

>>52384595
Name the last fun deck that was tier 1

>>52384604
Define tier 1

>>52384569
I literally did but all you can do is post blatant bait like this shit >>52380134 in response.


Not to mention you gave no reason as to why they should be banned you fucktard.

Go cry on reddit because nobody here wants to hear you cry about how 8th and 9th make you cry at night you fucking faggot

>>52384630
Because you're contributing so much to the thread yourself. Also still haven't seen any reasons other than meme buzzword shit like "lol git gud fgt"

>>52384939

>>52384939

>>52384939

it's time boys

>>52384604
Why? Even if there was a deck in tier one that that you had completely forgotten about and fit your arbitrary/subjective definition of fun, you wouldn't admit it. Your setting yourself up for maximum goal-post-moving leeway. People enjoy different stuff.

>>52377420
Mana leak and path to exile don't work well together

>>52385047
the deck runs logic knot not mana leak

>Playing against grixis shadow
>win g1 with grapeshot because he took himself to 10 life so he could play death shadow
>g2 he has all the gravehate and removal on my enablers. i just grapeshot his shadow and then when he has exiled all my graveyard, cast madcap experiment and get platinum emperion ftw

This is why playing storm is fun

>>52384616
Affinity

>>52384445
You should have 2 Collars. Depending on the meta, I use 2 batterskulls in main and 2 Collars in the side or split 1 of each. On heavy creatures meta, use 2 Collars in the main.