EDH Commander General

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Warning: Incoming fun
http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/kynaios-chaos-1/

>>52363267
>tfw you have 51 life and are holding the table hostage with aetherflux reservoir

>How do you combat your local meta? Do you play hate cards that might be dead in other matchups?

99% of my games are played with my group of friends so we all know each other's decks inside and out. But none of us silverbullet each other. However we all have decks with answers to pretty much everything.

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>>52363327

noice

i want to build that

http://stattrek.com/online-calculator/hypergeometric.aspx
http://www.channelfireball.com/articles/frank-analysis-how-many-colored-mana-sources-do-you-need-to-consistently-cast-your-spells/

Suggestions for OP pasta. These resources have helped my decks' consistency like no other.

I play on Xmage so there is no meta, but yes, I find great value in color-specific hate cards like Gloom and Anarchy. They definitely need a particular deck to support them however (something with draw-discard loot effects and tutors preferably).

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Post'em!

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>>52363267
>How do you combat your local meta? Do you play hate cards that might be dead in other matchups?
Picture extremely related. I run WE WUZ peaceful people in Hanna and Ghave and damn he always has done serious work. I actually won the game against UG nigger with it, since he almost decked himself with Zegana and ran out of cards in his deck before he could Loam Strip Mine enough times to destroy all my white producing lands. Everyone else scooped when he drew like 70 cards and had enough threats to kill everyone with single combat. I reanimated this guy twice in addition of casting him, since he kept killing him.
There's several other cards, like I also run Spike Weaver and Tainted Æther, plus Mental Misstep and such for other, stronger meta.

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I am the meta people try to counter. 5-color good stuff, the only four dragons I run are dragon mage for wheels, nicol bolas to twist a hand away, niv-mizzet to combo with curiosity, and silumgar for hexproof when i need it.

>>52363636
Can I get a list for Azusa?
Here´s mine
https://deckstats.net/deck-12700847-3ee73784ef0db2106e15485a817fbdbf.html

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>>52363267

>Local Meta

I don't play at shops due to it being UG(x) or just U 99% of the time and that shit is boring.

In my group of friends I recently figured out that my Talrand deck fucks with everything. We've been playing aggro for so long we forgot how to deal with control.

>Friend tries to kill me Sanguine Bond/Angelic Chorus/Daxos The Returned token triggers
>Voidmage Husher
>He does it again
>Peek, drake, draw, bounce voidmage husher and cast her again
>He does it again, tapping out
>Snap, drake, bounce, play again
>he gets pissed and scoops
>Everyone's face

>>52364097
http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/07-12-16-landsdec/

Could someone give me a short summary of artifact decks? I've only seen them in action, never played them.

Which color combinations are playable? Are there any viable archetypes besides reanimation?

Is there any non-degenerate Simic general besides Kaseto? I just want to play plain UG aggro without the usual infinite combo goldfishing and hundreds of +1/+1 counters to keep count of.

>>52364888
>without hundreds of +1/+1 counters to keep count of.
Get out of UGlytown.
>guys i want to play black combo but without all the skeletons and demons and bloody stuff

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>>52364799
Mono U with Padeem/Arcum Dagsson works pretty well. Blue has the most synergy with artifacts.
U/W is great with Hannah. A hannah stax deck could be terrifying.
U/B can be fun with Silas Renn. It's kinda janky tho.
U/B/W is probably the most common, with Sydri or Sharuum.
Breya is an alright 4c artifact commander, but she's really overdone right now.

However best artifact commander is clearly Slobad, Goblin Tinkerer. Anyone who says otherwise is clearly misinformed.

>>52364928
>aggro
>combo
You're confused anon

How do I build Baral? Is he degenerate?

>>52364888
Just do Edric, Spymaster of Trest and make it aggro. He'll give incentives for your opponents to look elsewhere during the early game and give you a payoff in the late game.

>>52364946
You don't. You build Azami and put Baral in it.

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>>52363636
waiting to see if amonkheht gives me a desirable esper legend, or if I'm just gonna settle for attempting blackblade.

>>52363267
Atraxa is WAY more focused on retrieving compared to when I first built her, but it may be every meta where I get an entire table trying to hate me out on sight of my glorious 4-colour angel. Reyhan+Thrasios has some pretty pointed artifact hate, half of my reasoning for which being my local meta.

>>52364934
>Blue has the most synergy with artifacts
>black and/or white are common additions to artifact decks
>despite this, red has Daretti, Feldon, Kurkesh, Slobad and Bosh

Why is this? What is red's niche in the artifact party?

>>52365433
red's niche is that it's good at breaking them, and sometimes, when it fits the flavor, you gotta break artifacts to do stupid things with other artifacts.

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>>52365433
"Blue did it, so Red can too"

>>52364888
Edric

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>>52365723
Red did it, so blue can too

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>>52366160
"doubled", lol

>>52358284
>>52358296
Thanks mate.

>>52365433
>>52365450
Wotc has been pushing red as having a creative/passionate side for a while now and it's been surfacing more and more recently.

Mostly because "rawr, I am red me smash" has been done for an extremely long time.

>>52366246
Red's interaction with artifacts is still more "Profit from smashing"

>>52368104
Breaking your own toys to build them anew is a very different deal from blowing up enemy ones

>>52364888

Join the fun side at URG city

JUDGE?

say I'm playing with 3 opponents, and I equip my commander, reaper king, with blade of selves. Just how many permanents do I get to destroy when I attack?

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>>52363636
Ayesha Tanaka Voltron has also come to mind, and potentially Mishra Pyromancer's Ascension.

>>52368478
The original sees three come in and the copies see 2 each so 3+2+2+2 = 9

>>52368754
>>52368478
WAIT I AM RETARDED

The blade makes 2 copies in this situation, not 3.

I haven't played EDH in 6 months and just found some people at my friends work who play. My friend has some basic knowledge of magic (Like intro packs and dual decks) but now wants me to help him learn a bit more so we can go.

So I was wondering first of all, what kind of power level should I assume they have? I was thinking of taking a Lazav, Dimir Mastermind deck with a fairly high power level because it's my favorite, but I don't want to be that annoying guy.

Also what's a good cheap deck I can build for my friend? I was thinking Daretti, Scrap Savant with mostly cheaper creatures and maybe a Wurmcoil Engine and some other powerful ones I have doubles of.

>>52368784
>what kind of power level should I assume they have?
Are you not able to just reach out and ask them, or have your friend ask them in your stead?

>>52368784
Just show up with a meme chaos deck.

>>52368805
I think it's a lower casual one and I don't want to come in asking questions if they don't really know. I was thinking I'd bring a deck and either scale it back or put more in depending on how the first few games go.

>>52368839
You could try something like Sakashima themed around clones so that your stuff will scale with everyone else's.

I think Daretti is a fine choice. RG beats with Xenagos or angry Omnath would be good too.

>>52363267
Alright friends, how do I get into this card game? anyway to play online to learn?

>>52369175
Yeah there actually is a good online game for people learning, although, not so much for any other players. It's called magic duels and can be played on a smart phone or console i think, along with being on a computer. If you want to start with paper, go to a local hobby shop that sells magic and ask for a intro deck. most stores will give you one for free, since the msrp is only like 4$.

Are Daretti decks generic? I thought I made a pretty cool deck, I hadn't played since before Daretti came out, so I hadn't seen it before, and then someone said that Daretti decks are very common and generally all the same deck.

Thoughts?

>>52369759
along with any precon theyre all kinda samey anon

>>52369786
I suppose I could swap Daretti for Feldon or Bosh... I don't like playing generic decks, kind of a bummer.

>>52369843
If you really want to be a hipster I wouldn't choose any legends that came out this century tbqh. At the very least nothing that exists as a precon will be unique (IIRC he was the most popular from that cycle).

Alternatively, make your daretti deck ACTUALLY unique, like don't make it artifact based, make it based on the looting aspect.

I don't know how you thought "Wow, an artifact commander from a precon, I am going to build him around artifacts. Gosh, I must be unique. A total free spirit and radical thinker"

No, you painted inside the lines. Shoot for something people haven't seen before or non-obvious synergies if you think being a snowflake is important.

>>52369759
I actually haven't seen a single Daretti deck since Breya came out.

I HAVE ASCENDED

I played my first successful combo win tonight. I was playing brion stoutarm, but he wasn't relevant to the combo

>removed something with stasis snare earlier in game
>cast oblivion ring and exile stasis snare
>next turn drop worldgorger dragon
>oblivion ring leaves, stasis snare returns, exile dragon, loop
>one of my lands was kabira crossroads, gain infinite life in addition to infinite mana
>break the loop by exiling something else with o-ring
>cast refurbish to return ring of three wishes from graveyard to play
>tutor up aetherflux reservoir
>deathstar laser every single creature and opponent

boy that felt good.

>>52365299
Run Sydri Aetherflux. You can do whatever the fuck you want artifact-wise, run a lifegain shell, deathtouch shenanigans, Mechanized Production, artifacts that can deal damage to creatures on tap... she's versatile, you can do all kinds of fun stuff

>>52364260
>complains about blue being boring
>plays talrand control

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Would you consider my Karador deck reanimator if I mostly don't cheat out big stuff, just cast things from my graveyard at normal cost?

>>52371781
Yeah, it's usually a good way to describe that kind of deck regardless. If it gets hosed by Rest in Peace it's probably reanimator

>>52371781
is your main strategy getting your creatures into the grave from your deck/hand, then from the grave to the battlefield?

if yes, then you are reanimator

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I want to make an arjun deck, but I want to go against the grain. What's a good izzit build for him that's more focused on group fun over just winning?

>>52363379
Must suck for your opponents not to have any instant speed pingers or damage.
>I pay 50 life to hit you for 50
>With that on the stack, I bolt you.

>>52368535
Can you share Marchesa list?
I fucking love Sunforger

>>52370791
Fantastic suggestion. I would, but someone in my group beat me to her. Besides atraxa, all my commanders are, on a local level, unique to me.

And even in Atraxa's case, no one else locally playing her uses charge counters as a wincon.

>>52371881
I think the point he's making is that no one wants to get hit if they don't have to, but wouldn't mind seeing one of the others get nuked, so they're just waiting nervously

>>52372242
I just don't consider something to be holding the table hostage until you can survive the potential crack back.

>>52372401
yeah, it's not "hostage" so much as a state of suspense I guess, seeing how they can't really react until he fires

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Is there any half decent flicker effects in Green and Black? I swear I'm going to make a half decent deck with this thing if it kills me, so I'm going for Token Sacrifice and want to see if I can at least pump out some Spider Tokens with her.

>>52372647
There's conjurer's closet and that's about it, in GB, reanimating her for her etb is a lot easier.

>>52372675
True, any notable permanents that can bring her back a lot for cheap? I've been out of the game for about 4-5 years and I'm just getting back in.

>>52372647
panharmonicon won't flicker, but lets your ETB effects trigger twice

>>52372694
Corpse Dance and Dawn of the Dead come to mind

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I'm legitimately mad that I can't find this stupid thing. I want to play this, but I don't want to blow $80+ for it.

>>52371845
arjun with everything that triggers on card draw. Mostly jank stuff. buy you get some real value.

>>52372751
My friend just got a jap one from Walmart for 30 bucks

Madison, WI

>>52372751
Ha, for once living in Australia has it's perks. I can get it for $35 USD from my online shop.

>>52372823
If I don't want to spend more than $30 what makes you think I want to memorize card text for less than 100 cards?

>>52372853
just google atraxa decklist and buy the singles

>>52372834
Jesus fuck you australians always have to say you live there, every motherfucking time, so annoying.

>>52372969
If you motherfuckers had to pay as much extra as we do for everything you'd complain too.

>>52373001
This anon gets it. I had to pay $25 to get my nephew an Intro Pack for his birthday.

>>52373001
whine whine whine whine whine whine

Please keep your fucking mouth shut, nobody has to know where the fuck you live.

>>52373071
I live in finland!

>>52373071
lol I live in the united states and its still nice here but I'm kinda worried about you-know-what!

>>52371781
Reanimation is getting your cards in graveyard to the battlefield without paying their mana cost.
Recursion is getting your cards in graveyard to the battlefield by paying their mana cost, or getting them to your hand to indirectly get them to the battlefield by paying their mana cost.

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>>52372647

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>>52363636
Most of the decks I've tried building I hated, so I scrapped them.

I opened 2 MM17 & Eldritch Moon Boxes, most cards will be given away!
https://youtu.be/HAG1FnR4ll4

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>>52372751
>tfw got the last one at my LGS when it came out
>tfw they never received any more

>>52372647
mimic vat, kinda?

Tell me /edh/, which legendary is the best husbando?

>>52372751
Speaking of Atraxa, r8 my janky deck. Is there any super secret counter tech i'm missing?
http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/counters-the-countering/

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>>52374619

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>>52374619
That depends.

Do you like bug boys?

>>52374746
That's not a bug, it's a feature

>>52374766
Thank you for giving me a line to use while imagining flirting with my Husbando.

>>52364799
Mono colorless artifacts with Karn, Silver Golem or an Eldrazi.

>>52368784
Make monogreen elfball, if you exclude Sylvan Library and Cradle it's even rather cheap

>>52374715
>husbando, not waifu
He's clearly a power bottom

If I want to choose a Commander that my opponent will laugh at, that I can actually use to curbstomp tryhards (not actual decent competitive players) with, what should I pick?

Yomiji, Who Bars The Way can look like a somewhat controlling "I want to play Legendaries" deck that suddenly combos out in numerous ways with cards like Hope of Ghirapur and/or Paradox Engine, or lock people out with Mindslaver and Yosei. It has the drawback of being mono-white though.

Iname, Life Aspect can do a terrible mono-green dredge impression that has several janky Myojin combos. It pretty much folds to grave hate, although it can just do green things and abuse the stigma on land destruction.

Blue has some solid options in Patron of the Moon (Sunder), Tomorrow (Extra turns) or Hakim (Treachery), but Blue is scary and mean, and always up to no good. Iname, Death Aspect could also be a good choice, but I feel like that card pretty transparently tries to do something somewhat busted.

There's also Anya, Merciless Angel + Obliterate effects, if you can 50% someone reliably enough (or player one of several things that grant indestructible.)

Lyzolda, Ishkanah and Ghost Council are also all pretty janky generals that can kill with infinite colored mana, but that sounds a bit lame.

>>52374882
You're gonna need to go slightly stronger.

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sup guys
i decided to build Infect but since it's my first time tackling that archetype I come to ask you, what are some staples that I cannot miss?
I'll most likely be using atraxa as general, I'd much rather go Ydris colors but Atraxa supports the strategy better imo.

>>52374882
Just pick some random mono black general and build an extremely strong goodstuff deck like I do.

>>52374920
Woah you decided to build the same awful deck that everyone else decided to build instead of just building a decent infect deck like someone with a brain would.

>>52374946
I didn't decide on anythig but the archetype yet, that's why I wrote the post. to get some different opinions and decide afterwards.

>>52374968
If you want to go infect either use Meme-o-plasm or Skittles, Atraxa is pretty awful for infect

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Why the hell are there decks using this as a general?

Would someone just break the rules like that?

>>52374987
I don't want to paint a gient target on my back with skittles, mimeoplasm is an option though
I also considered saskia because she doubles damage and gives me access to red for more double damage effects

>>52375054
>I don't want to paint a gient target on my back
>plays infect
You're gonna have that target Skittles or not, infect is gonna attract loads of hate even with janky commanders so you either play a proper infect and try to win 1v3 everytime or you'll get focussed and lose

>>52374902
That would require using a general that isn't laughable though.

>>52374945
It's not fun if your deck isn't dependable on using your general in some, and could just be replaced by something else and work just as well if not better.

>>52375040
Some people wanted a 4-color deck before it was possible, and haven't felt like changing it after the precons. Other people just like the cards, like with Tamanoa. The one that personally confuses me is Chromanticore.

>>52375067
Skittles paints the target immedeatly, other generals just as soon as others realize it's infect and I'm cool with that.
so could you maybe instead of just throwing random citicism towards me make suggestions or tell me how I have to change my thought pattern to build the deck?
As I've mentioned in my first post I've no experience with infect.

>>52375122
He gave you help. He told you to build Skittles.

I'll give you more, include hatred and unspeakable symbol in your Skittles deck. Inkmoth Nexus and tainted strike are the only other infect cards you should run, it's all on the Skittles, the rest is voltron.

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>>52375122
Ok infect is all about one-shot kills out of nowhere, if you're dropping creatures with the hope to kill your opponents 1-2 poison counters a turn you're doing it wrong, they're gonna see infect and they are gonna react accordingly trying to get you out of the game as soon as possible.
Basically build voltron and be sure to include infect creatures, a way to get haste, a way to not get blocked and big pump spells like Hatred. If you want some secret tech pic related can kill the whole table at once.

Post nonstandard removal you run in your decks. Bonus points if it isn't normally removal or doesn't look like removal at first glance.

>Pic related
This card works like a dream...

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>>52375220
Shit, forgot pic....

>>52375122

You could consider Rafiq, Putrefax becomes a 1-hit kill assuming no blockers, and Blighted Agent becomes terrifying.

>>52375122
You've had multiple replying to you this whole time, I only did the first post. You came here for advice but you're just going to ignore it so fuck off.

>>52375220
>>52375232

how is that a removal? According to the rules you can't sac other players creatures

but maybe i just dont see it, do you cast it on enemy creature and hopes that he sacrifices his other creatures for a small buff?

>>52370018
Well I actually started the deck as a Tuktuk deck, which I do think is generally pretty unique. But then I realized that you can't voltron with artifact Tuktuk and that kind of ruined my plans, so I changed it to Daretti and now it's all about saccing modular creatures into each other and making the biggest one unblockable and hexproof to beat faces with. Tons of sac, tons of draw, tons of discard, tons of graveyard retrieval.

So yeah, I guess overall it's not much different from the average Daretti deck, but that certainly wasn't my play going into it lol.

>>52370036
That's good to know lol thank you

>>52375101
>I want a bad general
>in a good deck
>but the good deck must use the bad general
This literally cannot be done dude.

Best I can do is subvert laughable into largely unknown and suggest Xira Arien or Adun Oakenshield as Jund goodstuff that actually use their commander.

>>52375325
No, you cast it on another person's creature, because you control the Enchantment, you control the ability, so you sac the creature yourself. You get back Fallen Ideal and they lose a creature before they can respond, because saccing the creature is paying a cost. Gets around indestructible and regeneration!

>>52375394
It does none of those things /tg/.

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>>52375394
> because you control the Enchantment

no, you're the owner of it, but it's on the enemies side of the board, so he's the controller of it.

>>52375409
>>52375433
Oops, you're right. I need to apologize to a friend...

>>52375394
>/tg/ being bad at magic again
You're most likely baiting, but it specifically says that the creature now has that ability, it's not on the enchantment. So the creature's controller is the only one that can activate it.

>>52375394
That's not how it works, you own the enchantment but the creature gains the ability, so only it's controller can sac it.

>>52375433
Also not true. Something being on the enemy side of the board doesn't show who the controller is. Oblivion ring is still something you control when you enchant an enemy creature.

What makes this anon's plan fail is that the enchantment says that THE CREATURE has the sac ability, not the enchantment.

>>52375433
No that is also not true.

You control the aura.

The opponent controls the creature.

The enchanted creature has flying and "Sacrifice a creature: This creature gets +2/+1 until end of turn."

Just like if it had "G: Regenerate this creature."

Only the controller of a creature can activate its abilities unless otherwise stated.

Damn /tg/.

>>52375466
>>52375467
my bad

>>52375444
this one is correct

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>>52375466
Are you serious?

Oblivion Ring is not an Aura dumbass.

>>52375195
Thanks, but I'm not looking to use Skittles as general for several reasons, but Inkmoth and Tainted Strike will be included.

>>52375216
Thanks, that's great advice.
Should I only be using pump spells? what about damage doubers like Dictate of the Twin Gods, etc.

>>52375298
Hm, that's not a bad idea either, but infect without black just feels kinda wrong to me, but an interesting thought nonetheless.

>>52375320
>You came here for advice but you're just going to ignore it so fuck off.
Not ignoring any advice, I take everything into consideration but if you tell me to run skittles as general but I don't want to play monoblack I'm not going to run skittles as commander.

>>52375444
>>52375463
>>52375467
Wasn't baiting, legit thought it worked like that but ok. Is there anything in the game that allows me to do that? Or no? I've been playing for a minute and every now and again shit like this comes up. Need to git gud.

>>52374882
You can use Hua Tuo, who seems like a joke, then use Lurking Predators, Call of the Wild, and stuff to discard big guys. Greater Good works great for that. Also any scry you can get your hands on, lost in the woods is pretty good too if you know what you're doing. Dump Worldspine Wurm into graveyard from hand, Hua Tuo him on top of the library, then cheat him out for 4 mana with Call of the Wild when the enemy swings at you.

Just make sure to load up on any form of creature removal you can. Desert Twister, Beast Within, Lux Cannon, Predator Flagship, and a Plummet for good measure, etc.

Any card draw you can get as well, Garruk's Packleader, Triumph of Ferocity, Harmonize, Greater Good (As mentioned before).

I have beat goodstuff decks with this deck before and it works very well. There's a good chance you'll never see another Hua Tuo deck lol.

Another idea: Rorix Bladewing with tons of buff shit and mana doublers/rocks to one shot someone by making Rorix a 25/5 flying haste on turn whatever.

>>52374920
UG Ezuri looks like a cool option that isn't as fotm as Atraxa. You get good spells to protect your creatures, your general makes you infect dudes lethal quickly, and you get pretty much the two best colors for infect. If you want to go a snowflake variant, I'd use Meren and just keep recurring Ichor Rats, Core Prowler and Maulfist Revolutionary.

>>52375489
He's still correct though, it's just like with equipments that are attached to enemy creatures.

>>52375494
>Should I only be using pump spells? what about damage doubers like Dictate of the Twin Gods, etc.
You're usually doubling 1-2 power creatures wich isn't that much, and if you're doubling pumped creatures you may as well use some equipment with double strike instead wich gives evasion as well

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Is it Removal or a Mana-Rock?

yes

>>52375509
For that Rorix;
Rush of Blood
Blazing Shoal
Enrage
Downhill Charge
Wine of Blood and Iron
Brute Force
Fatal Frenzy
Sieze the Day
Gratuitous Violence

>>52375508
>>52375394
Punishing Fire and Grove of the Burnwillows is one of the few repeatedly removal spells in the game.

>>52375523
He's not correct because ORing is not an Aura.

>>52375570
>Grove of the Burnwillows
?
I'm partial to Slaughter myself. Kills 5 out of 6 creatures? And can be bought back without using mana? Sign me up!

>>52375570
His example was incorrect but his conclusion was, stop being a little bitch homoman.

>>52374691
>Utter End
>Anguished Unmaking
Why not exile your opponents stuff using counters from Parallax Wave? If you're gonna run turn-behind lands anyway, why not storage lands?

>>52375559
More like removal and an active target. You can use it to produce mana, sure, but no one is running in under the guise of manarock.

>>52375550
>You're usually doubling 1-2 power creatures
True, true didn't think about that. Using equipment sounds great though.

>>52375511
>I'd use Meren and just keep recurring Ichor Rats, Core Prowler and Maulfist Revolutionary.
I love this Idea, but I already have an abzan graveyard recursion deck, maybe I'll just add an Ichor Rats there to combo out with Lark + Karmic Guide.

>>52375640
Not a big fan of storage lands as they never did much when i tried them. I usually go for battlelands and cheklands and most of the times they come in untapped so i'm happy with the current manabase.
Parallax Wave is a great card i didn't know about, i swapped out Utter End for it.

>>52375509
Hua Tuo actually sounds semi-legit. You can set up wacky infinite combos with Great Oak Guardian, Eternal Witness and co. let's you use anything in your graveyard, and you can always just cast big green creatures if all else fails.

Not very sold on Rorix, seems too fragile in multiple different ways.

>>52375389
It's not supposed to actually be a bad general, just look like it. I think Yomiji could be deceptively competitive in a ~75% meta.

>>52375887
Other anon here.
I heavily advice you to put in those storage lands
In Atraxa you get mad value out of them, they might be a bit slow at first but they're definetely better than vivid lands.
Good to see you're already running mirrodin's core.

>>52375824
>maybe I'll just add an Ichor Rats there to combo out with Lark + Karmic Guide
Just reminding that Ichor rats gives each player poison counter so if you are going for a loop make sure that opponent/s have 1 more poison on them than you.

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I've been having fun with my wizard deck against a friend, but how would it fare in a 4 player game? Are there any glaring weaknesses? Would my commanders be considered big threats?

http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/wizards-doing-thangs/


Any help or suggestions would be welcome

>>52375957
>Ichor rats gives each player poison counter
good that you mention it, guess I can't just cram this into an existing deck without making major changes
maybe I'll just go Sultai, because I definetely want black and green and blue gives me unblockable effects and makes it easier to abuse/recur the pump spells.

If I have an encoded cipher card on my invisible stalker, then hit someone with it to cast the copy, can I twincast that? And if I do, dare I ask, can I encode the twincasted copy? If not, and I assume I can't, are there any copy spells that "become" the card, which would then allow it to be encoded?

Is there an artifact commander that plays similar to Glissa but is in different colors?

I really like the concept of using cheap "sacrifice for effect" artifacts and recurring them, but there's not nearly enough artifact support in Golgari.

>>52376142
Silas Ren, Seeker Adept and to an extent Ravos, Soultender the latter doesn't specifically say artifacts though.

I'm conaidering putting in staff of domination and Karn in this deck. What should I take out for them?

>>52376174
I am not a smart man.
http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/multi-track-ramping-with-brozilek/

>>52376187
All the goodstuff

>>52375930
If you say so i'm gonna give them another try, i swapped out Opal Palace, Gavony Township and an island since i figured out i didn't need +1+1 counters anyway.

>>52376040
You can Twincast the copy from the cipher trigger, yes. You can't encode the copy on one of your creatures any more than you can encode the copy from the cipher trigger, because the spell has to be an actual literal card.

I don't know of any card that becomes another instant or sorcery, or otherwise lets an instant or sorcery become a copy of another, but in the event that such a card is printed, it would let you encode it on a creature, but I don't think it would actually let you cast any copy. (See 702.98a, indicating that the card in exile needs to have Cipher, which the copy would cease to have upon entering exile.) Unless the original spell actually had cipher for some reason or another, in which case the encoded creature would cast copies of the original spell, not the one it was copied to.

>>52375957
Or just have Melira in play while you do it

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>>52372751
>80 dollars
Jesus christ. I'm glad I found a lone one at a target but shiiiiiiit. That's fucking retarded.

>>52374920
Atraxa infect is pretty slow. Experience Ezuri infect plays similar to Atraxa with the counter pumps but you can push damage through better with Ezuri's ability opposed to waiting on Atraxa's proliferate. And both are identifies for New Phyrexia if you care about that kind of thing. Only bummer about no black is no Necroskitter.

>>52375896
>I think my seven drop do nothing monoWorthless commander could be competitive if I combo it with other, better legendaries I can't tutor for
You're delusional.

>>52375508
Closest you can get to that is Grave Pact effects. Typically you don't get to choose what opponents sacrifice without Mindslaver/EmrakulTLH/SorinMarkov.

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Has anyone had any experience against this card in commander? I wanna throw it into Atraxa but something tells me it's also not completely worth it.

>>52376207
Which is?

>>52376299
He can also use platinum angel and other cards that prevent him from losing the game

>>52376465
It's a popular choice in stax decks. I don't see it getting used outside of stax.

>>52376465
One of the strongest stax effects in commander.

>>52376346
>can't tutor for
You have to be pretty retarded to claim that white can't tutor for any of the several combos Yomiji facilitates.

>>52376761
Enlightened Tutor for Mindslaver or Altar. I guess Ranger of Eos for Isamaru and Gideon?

Not sure of any equipment or enchantment combos. Can't think of any non-brown tutors for Yosei.

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>>52376354
Wrong, the better Ashling is the closest one. There's also others, I think, where you choose which creature/permanent opponents sacrifice.

>>52377047
Tragic Arrogance does it indirectly

>>52376877
Ranger of Eos for Hope of Ghirapur / Mikaeus.
Thalia's Lieutenant for nearly anything.
Recruiter of the Guard for sac fodder, 1-drop or Walking Ballista.
Equipment tutors for Deathrender or Sword of the Animist.
Enlightened Tutor and Inventor's Fair for sac outlet, mana outlet, Mindslaver, Paradox Engine, Deathrender or Chrome Mox.
Idyllic Tutor can find Quest for the Holy Relic, a sac outlet, or bounce enchantment for Paradox Engine, but that's probably too janky, even for Yomiji.

>>52377078
I thought there would be another that does it directly, but I guess I was wrong. At least I can't find any.

>>52376465
It's a powerful Stax card, but like most Stax cards it's not really good until you hit a critical mass of similar effects.

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What's the most impenetrable board state you can build in a G/W control deck? I'm talking a combined

>Avacyn, Angel of Hope
>Privileged Position
>Greater Auramancy
>Sigarda, Host of Herons
>Platinum Emperion
>Platinum Angel
>Iona, Shield of Emeria
>Ajani Steadfast Emblem

kind of situation? I know a few cards can deal with it via mass exile, Final Judgement, The Great Aurora ect., but outside those is it possible to build a completely unbreakable boardstate?

Also I saw G/W because Karametra seems like she'd offer built in ramp leaving more room for tutors. More colors could be a thing, it' not a made deck at all yet.

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>>52376307
Oh shit nice creature. Now I have to get one so my friend here has someone to play with.

Is Rakdos lord of riots usable in commander? I generally like aggro decks but I haven't seen anything really worth using. I currently have a Krenko deck so I'm looking for something with the same power. Any suggestions?

>>52377628
Gaddock Teag helps against mass exile, though Cyclonic rift still gets through.

>>52377628
is that a trout tied to a brick?

>>52377640
Quite useful. Veldalken Orrey, Wound Reflection, big Eldrazi, pingers is how Rakdos tends to work best in.

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>>52377650
Well how else would you deliver a fish to someones head at a distance? Magic?

>>52377640
Rakdos is pretty good, and you can add a lot of spicy tech to him, since his effect is pretty broad. Run damage doublers and a bit of voltron to 1 shot people easily. Tons of options.

If you're willing to splash white, Alesha is also very good and functions sort of similarly.

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>>52377650
Might be a salmon.

>>52377661
>>52377676
Cool thanks for the advice. Do you have a good sample deck to build from?

>>52377721
Unfortunately I don't. edhrec has the main stays of the deck.

Pingers and other upkeep deal damage are what you are looking for, along with anything that has flash and/or large colorless mana costs.

Also running cards like Mass Hysteria, then Rakdos charming the board and dropping 2-3 big Eldrazi or Darksteel Colossus is part of the fun.

You can also go down a larger Demon monoblack route and drop cards like Gray Merchant of Asphodel to give you huge discounts.

Master of Cruelties also counts for life loss and can allow you drop very big X costed Walking Ballistas/Hangerback walkers.

>>52377628
Not unless you have a way to prevent -X/-X removal

>>52377628
The best way to crack that boardstate is probably with effects that "Blank" cards. Humility is the most notable, but Gaddock Teeg still stops you from landing it. Sudden Spoiling would also work until you add an effect that gives the player hexproof. To crack what you listed + Player Hexproof + Teeg you need Arcane Lighthouse + Teeg-safe "Gain control" or exile. Either exile or steal/sac Teeg and follow up with a mass exile or bigger gain control effect. You can do this in White, Red, Blue, or Colorless Artifacts, which plays around Iona.

You can also shred the "Invincible" board state with mass -x/-x (Not counters or Melira could defend). The most unstoppable way to manage this, getting around Teeg and a magical christmasland 5 Ionas is Bane of the Living, who is cast face-down (Colorless) and then flips up with Morph (an ability) to give all creatures -x/-x. x=2 removes Teeg, 4 takes out the Angel (Enabling combo wins that don't rely on life), 5 melts Sigarda (letting you fire All Is Dust), and 8 will mop up all the creatures involved.

If Iona isn't on Black, you can disassemble it in waves with Infest to off Teeg and then Languish or Mutilate to get the rest.

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/EDH/

What non-legendary Rare would you like to build an EDH deck around? Obviously as a fun to semi-competitive deck to mess around with.

Pic related. The cycle of death and rebirth as an Angel would be really flavorful in a Horde Magic game.

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>>52377916
I have always thought Master Transmuter would be fun, but I just remembered this dude, and I almost cant resist the ability to fuck with every creatures power.

>>52377916
In no particular order:
>Stuffy Doll
I feel like any amount of intelligently pointed hate would make it crumble, but it strikes me as a cute idea, regardless.
>Myr Battlesphere
I love myrs, being able to go full, 100%, myr tribal would be fantastic.
>Witch-Maw Nephilim
Imagine being able to fuel a voltron using only cantrips.

>>52375101
MaRo said that Chromanticore was supposed to be Legendary, and they didn't put it there because it wouldn't fit in the type line. The Gods barely fit, and that's a 3 letter creature type, so Manticore definitely wouldn't fit well.

>>52377628
You're forgetting Wheel of Sun and Moon, Leyline of Sanctity / Witchbane Orb / Orbs of Warding, Linvala, Keeper of Silence, Angel of Jubilation, Gaddock Teeg, Stony Silence / Null Rod, Torpor Orb / Hushwing Griff, and anthem effects like Collective Blessing / Beastmaster Ascension / etc

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>>52377916
This nigga right here.
So many silly as fuck things you could do.
>Act of treason becomes insurrection.
>Declaration in Stone becomes Final Judgement
>Pongofy
>The red kaladesh expertise
>Fiery Gambit

>>52377628
Nature's Revolt + Humility + Titania's Song + Moat/Ghostly Prison/Reverence/whatever will get you there most of the time. If you really have to go all out, then [Knowledge Pool + Rule of Law], [Possessed Portal + First Repose/Angelic Accord + Enabler], Stony Silence and some way to deal with enchantments if you want to go the extra mile.

>>52378409
>Not listing colored wisps

>>52378468
That too. Basically any single-target cantrip that you don't care about hitting both your and your opponent's creatures is crazy card advantage.

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>>52377916

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>>52377916

>>52378409
arc bond

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>>52378409
cmon

>>52378551
Zada is totally boring by comparison.
>Monored, so it loses half the fun cards
>Only affects your creatures, so it loses shit like mass Act of Treason

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>>52378488
>non-legendary rare
>rare

Heres an example for you.

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>>52377916
Shards block had insane amount of good ones. Pic related, Lich Lord of Unx, Nemesis of Reason, Blood Tyrant, Defiler of Souls, Godsire, Kederekt Leviathan and Knight of the Reliquary just to name a few.

>>52378831
Oh, and before this >>52378766 autist goes ballistic, some of them are mythics and not rares.

>>52378880
Mythic is actually called Mythic Rare.

>>52368784
zada is super cheep
and it's middle of the pack

>>52379026
Yes, I'm aware of that, but it's entirely different than rare. It's almost like you'd point out that most blacksmiths were in fact white.

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I want to make an WB/Orzhov deck with life gain/loss theme. I was thinking of Ayli, Eternal Pilgrim as my general, is there a better option?

>>52379358
Karlov of the ghost council is another good one that plays slightly differently. Karlov prefers lots of smaller life gain effects compared to Ayli and can easily get large enough to make commander damage feasible. You can't really go wrong with either one for a life gain/loss theme.

>>52379358
No matter what you do, Oloro will be stronger, and you will always have that in thr back of your mind.

>>52379358
i've actually been working on an orzhov lifegain deck for a while. you basically have 3 options, ayli, kambal and karlov. i've played the first two extensively and i've seen the third one played a lot so i can write some words

here's a quick rundown on ayli and kambal.

ayli
>mostly creature/goodstuff based (in my opinion, at least)
>two ways to go at the commander
1
>building around ayli's vindicate requires a weird build-around that can be difficult to get to work
>ie. you need 50 life, a creature fodder to sacrifice to use vindicate reliably
>if you drop below 50 life or ayli dies, the deck will probably turn into trash
>i don't recommend this
2
>reanimator, lifegain as a subtheme
>instead of relying on the vindicate on ayli, just use ayli as a good blocker, a good value engine and a sac outlet
>works well with value plays and reanimation, but is generally slow and not too powerful, golgari, dimir and even monoblack are both more powerful as reanimators
>she has a few cute interactions though, like tree of perditions, and in a creature based reanimator she can make great use of cards like true conviction and whip of erebos

kambal
>noncreature based (in my opinion, at least)
>requires very little build-around for the commander himself, he's a 3 drop that you can plop down reliably and he usually won't get removed until he's churned out a bunch of life
>works well with full-retard lifegain strats, beacon of immortality, shattered angel, aetherflux reservoir, felidar sovereign, etc
>can use the extra life to also pay for black's draw effects, which can be used to fuel your superior removal
>you can also build for pillowforty in the process with cards like no mercy, ghostly prison, mystic barrier etc.
>overall the deck feels efficient and fun, at least to me

karlov
>lifegain triggers to create a big voltron guy that can also exile creatures for cheap
>doesn't really do anything when karlov is out of the game, but is very timmy
>cheap to build

>>52377696
Looks like a rainbow trout to me

>>52378569
just play 5 color zada with tazri. you have inky and mirrorwing in there too for backups.

>>52379684
oloro isn't even a real commander, just some custom card generation trash

>>52379219
No it would be like describing eagles as birds.

>>52379690
Or you could remember that Ayli goes infinite with like five cards and build around the 9ish tutors for those cards in your colors.

>>52379885
if you're going to play combo with tutors, why not just play tazri food chain?

>>52379859
Yeah, no. Rare and mythic rare are different rarities, ya bloody shirt lifter.

>>52379897
Yeah dude fuck an entire archetype of Magic: the Gathering, let's just cast Craw Wurm.

>>52379978
now you're getting it!!

>>52363267

>playing casual sunday EDH at LGS
>like 15 people there, some people playing Warhammer in the corrner
>have my Jarad deck
>in my pod
>forget I had a proxy bayou in my deck
>drew it and realized, apologize to pod ask if its cool if I just play it
>Uri player okay with it
>Narset player cool with it
>Damia player FLIPS SHIT
>goes on about how thats unfair he plays legit full set of duals blah blah some bullshit
>calls over store owner
>store owner says its okay its just not FNM or tournament day
>Damia player still visibly upset
>midgame I Nooze out and win
>Damia player slams hand down on table and yells FUCKING CHEATER
>scoops deck and goes outside to vape
>play like 4 more pods after that and have a pretty good time

I only mention this because it was a casual day. If it's and FNM or tournament you get $5 store credit for knocking out someone in EDH and proxies aren't allowed but it was casual sunday you don't get any store credit for winning so idk what his deal was.

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>>52379690
Karlov sounds neat. At least seems like a fun guy to build around.

>>52379684
Nice meme.

>>52380271
Oh shit is it proxyposting time already?

>>52380271
lmfao

it's always funny to me when people play powerful, expensive cards themselves but say it's "unfair" and "cheating" when someone plays those cards as proxies. i guess paying 2000 dollars for your manabase entitles you to easier victories against billy's only-basic-mountains-dragon-tribal or something like that

truly pottery that he was playing BUG too

i guess it's only fair

>>52380271
Isn't it obvious? Having duals is literally same thing as casting Mana Drain on every spell while having The Abyss, Invoke Prejudice and Tabernacle on the field from the start of the game.

>>52380431
Yeah but I started the game with Shop so I win.

>>52380401
>play budget decks because i refuse to spend more than 50$ on a single card
>go to lgs and win with jank against og dual zur
>people always visibly upset when i win

you would think that if they have the money for all the duals and expensive stuff that 5$ in store credit wouldent be that much of a loss

>>52380271

Hearing this makes me wanna know, whats the cringiest thing that ever happened to you during an EDH game at your LGS?

I don't really have one but this one person at my shop plays a Horobi deck with no sleeves and no playmat. It just baffles me. On top of that I remember seeing some pricier cards in his deck too like a coffers and reanimate and stuff.

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>>52380457
I'm playing with my custom general as well!

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>>52380271
I'm not going to lie I hate proxy cards, only time I don't flip out is when you intend to actually get it ,or its a 50+ card that you don't want damaged that you actually own.

But unfortunately a person at my lgs has taken that second one to an extreme he has 25 edh decks and aside from 2 of them the rest are 70% proxys.so his one copy of gaeas cradle is in 20 of those decks and that really grinds my gears

>>52372647
Blood Clock
Closet
Umbilicus

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>>52380679
>spike
>200 pounds over weight
>always smells bad
>always visibly upset that his 2000$ deck dosent win turn 3

I always focus him in any game
he was a dick to me when i was just learning how to play
now he has trouble resolving spells

>>52378409
Ink-Treader would be tier 1 if it were legal as a general

There are two kinds of people: those who play aggro and those who defend Serra Ascendant.

>>52380756
hurrrr i'm stupid enough to spend 1000$ on cardboard YOU HAVE TOO AS WELL >:(((((

>>52380756
to be honest, the problem is more that the 300 dollar create-retarded-amounts-of-mana-out-of-nothing meme card isn't banned

>>52380756
you can't have a game where a peice of paper costs more that 50$ and expect people to want to play it

you have 3 options
>always play against the same 3 people because no one can afford to play the game
>people use proxies
>prices go down
pick one

>>52380679
>fatass dude and his brother whom I've never seen before show up at our regular EDH night at the LGS
>before it starts they ask the employee/judge who doesn't even give a fuck about commander if their decks are legal
>Prime Time in it
>hey anon they banned Prime Time right
>obviously

>start game
>they're both playing unsleeved
>only one I remember anymore was fatass playing 5c Child of Alara superfriends
>with some foiled walkers
>is playing foiled superfriends unsleeved
>goes to get fucking Reese's and begins eating those with his bare hands while playing with that deck
>I'm sitting directly to his right so I've been unsubtly complaining about his lack of care
>goes on to tell me how he and his brother are going to open a shop soon to sell his $10,000 worth of cards, obviously with a free side of chocolate smeared on them
>goes to pick up one of my cards to read it
>with his hands still covered in chocolate
>What the fuck are you doing? Don't pick up my cards with chocolate on your hands, I'll hold it up to your face so you can read it but don't even think about touching it.
>just laughs it off
Fucking fatasses.

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>>52380679
I countered a guy's Obzedat trigger (he hadn't put him into command zone) and he actually cried a bit.

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>>52377916
Havengul Lich

>>52381033
There is no way to get Obzedat stuck in exile by countering the ability.

>>52381033
>>52381109
This. I'm pretty sure it enters without a trigger right?

>>52381109
The second part of the second ability creates a delayed trigger that can be separately responded to and countered when it triggers and gets put on the stack.
I had to go look that up because I thought the same thing, but yea, you can Trickbind or something the latter part of the effect.

http://mtg.gamepedia.com/Triggered_ability
esp. in the examples, the one on Ignorant Bliss

>>52381109
If Obzedat is already in exile, and you counter the ability, it's stuck without a Pull from Eternity. If you put him into command zone with the EOT trigger then you're clear, but the player hadn't.

>>52381163
If you put it into the command zone instead of exile, then it won't return for free at eot from its ability.

>>52380756
>But unfortunately a person at my lgs has taken that second one to an extreme he has 25 edh decks

thats alot of proxies, did he print them out and glue on basic land? because thats alot of work

>>52381180
Yes, it does in fact. The same happens with Norin the Wary. The ability is not dependent on where they actually go, so long as it's a public zone.

>>52381163
Oh ok, then its def stupid to put into exile rather than the command zone.

>>52381180
It tracks if you put to the command zone.

>>52381180
And this is because of how the ability is worded. Ghost Council of Orzhova however would work, since you can put it in zone and it keeps returning anyway.
>>52381149
>>52381109
You counter the delayed trigger that happens on upkeep, that leaves the commander forever in exile without Pull From Eternity or Riftsweeper, which can be used to zone the commander.

>>52381220
What do you mean with 'tracks'?>>52381209
Wrong. You're not exiling the card, so it never returns, just like you won't get death triggers from your commander if you put it to the zone.

>>52380873
>>52381031
>>52380271

Why is it always fatlords every time?

>>52381410
You are exiling the card and then using the command z<one replacement effect. Obzedat's delayed trigger does not care where he ended up since it does not say return Obzedat from exile.

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>>52381410
The ability is not actually dependent on the card being exiled, but on you performing the action. If you go through the motion, you can replace the destination with the command zone, and still have it come back. For real.

>>52381460
Wouldn't that keep increasing the commander tax though? What if he bites a Murder some turns later?

>>52381523
No, commander tax goes up after you _cast_ it from the command zone.

>>52381523
i'm fairly sure command tax only increases on-cast

>>52381445
>>52381460
Wrong. The card says "if you do", which means that it has to go to the exile to return, but if the card is worded like with Ghost Council or Norin, command zone replacement trick works.

>>52381551
Nope it does not have to stay in Exile, you only have to attempt to and have the ability resolve.

>>52381551
http://www.mtgsalvation.com/forums/magic-fundamentals/magic-rulings/magic-rulings-archives/492567-obzedat-flicker-into-command-zone

>>52381188
Yes but a lot of them are not even cut or pasted that well, so it just adds to the iteration
>>52380941
Have I spent that much on cards overall ,yes.
did I get most of my cards before formats like legacy and modern drove prices to retarded lvls,yes. Sorry you didn't start playing magic earlier in life

>>52380962
Just using that as an example but he has a binder full of the actual cards that he busts out when people start bitching, but also agree it should join tolarian academy under the ban hammer

>>52378409
>kicked Rite of Replication

>>52381681
>Just using that as an example but he has a binder full of the actual cards that he busts out when people start bitching

i personally believe that the best way to get around that is to

1. not play too many expensive cards because it is edh after all

2. avoid running decks that would have a lot of overlap when it comes to cards, so that you'll only ever need 1 gaeas cradle

>>52378025
the real fun is to use it with bonesplitter and just instagib somebody.

Layers are fucky

>>52381422
well there is a lot of chubby guys at my lgs
but then there are just people that are 400 ponds over weight

it makes sense
if you don't care about keeping your body healthy
why would you care about keeping it smelling nice

>>52381681
>people should be hindered if they play the game later than you

i wish desolater would leave

>>52381579
>>52381593
I would like an actual confirmation on it. I don't believe it otherwise, since you're not exiling the card.

>>52381853
you are exiling the card, it's just not being put into exile :^)

>>52381804
Wjat are you talking about? That's exact opposite he would say

>>52381853
The card does not say return to the battlefield from exile. It instead says return to the battlefield.

And you ARE exiling the card there is just a replacement effect on top of it.

And for your confirmation, plenty of people play Norin and Obzedat in a format where counter target triggered ability is common enough that they would be unplayable othereise.

>>52381871
Why can't I get my Grave Pact triggers from my Savra then?
Explain that atheists.

>>52381904
Die = enter the graveyard.

replacement effect means it never enters the graveyard. For Obzedat you still attempt to exile so the ability resolves fully.

>>52381724
Even though I have a lot of expensive stuff from years of playing I agree with both of those points,that's why I only have 5 edh decks and am working on a 6th but currently don't an extra 150 to spend on things on stuff I don't own currently.

>>52381544
Ye, but I mean, the first recast after he dies would cost a lot; that's what I mean

>>52382221
Stop posting with a trip.

And you don't even understand what the anon is saying, learn the rules.

>>52382221
You have only cast Obzedat once regardless of how many times he 'flickers', because of that he will only cost 2 more after someone murders him.

>>52382221
Commander tax increases only when you cast your commander, not when it dies or gets exiled. Same goes with Derevi: if you use her ability to put her to the field, the commander tax never rises. She can get killed 10 times and still she would cost 3 mana to cast.

>>52382221
Commander Tax only ticks up when you cast your commander as a spell from the Command Zone.
Having your commander enter the battlefield from the command zone as an effect, or casting your commander from any other zone (ex. from hand) does not increase the tax counter at all.

>>52382254
>>52382293
Ok that was clearer, thanks for the explanation.

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>>52379684
>making your deck susceptible to Boil

>>52374349
>only US
Into the trash it goes

>>52382444
>running basics

>>52382531
>all islands are basics

>>52382531
>he thinks Boil is limited to only destroying basic lands

ok boys i'm about to order some cards

recommend some spicy tech for BW control

>>52382531
>making your deck susceptible to Ruination

>>52382614
Yixlid Jailer

>>52382614
Bottomless Pit, Necrogen Mists

>>52375122
Build Glissa stax with infect as the wincon. Break all truces for flavor purposes

>>52382614
Blind Obedience
Pontiff of Blight
Crypt Ghast
Norn's Annex
Kismet
Preacher

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>>52375040
I still can't believe C16 didn't reprint the lot of the Nephilim. They all worked towards their respective strategies in one way or another. It just doesn't make sense.

>>52378204
>>52378460
Damn thanks for all those suggestions guys. I'm not going for a stax lockout however, more of a "I'm so holy and pious you can't do shit" kind of lockout

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>>52380688

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>play Kynaios grouphug in Kingdoms online
>use pic related to cheaply Insurrection with Mark of Mutiny and swing at the king
>kicked
I don't understand when I'm crossing the line with regards to peoples' casualness.

Never played EDH and I wanted to know what the some of the most fun gimmicky combo commanders right now?

>>52383417
Nah, you're fine.
Most people just can't handle losing at all, so they just kick anyone if they ever lose a single game ever.

>>52383439
Zada is jank, love, life etc

>>52375040
These cards were made out in the lore to be and originally designed as legendary, but legendary got removed because WotC wanted to encourage decks with 4-ofs.

However, >>52383417 would honestly be a pretty busted general. So I'm satisfied with Kynaios or 5-color decks that pack Nephilim in the 99.

>>52383439
play yeva with elf mana dorks drawgo, then BAM, its actually instant eldrazi tribal! surprise!

>>52383658
Yeva only gives green creatures flash though. (not even green eldrazi with devoid count)

>>52383439
Ghave. It can be really REALLY degenerate, but otherwise it's basically the most complicated puzzle known to man. Crystalline crawler is some fun swag.

>>52383684
oh right, would need the torpor orb for 'drazis

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http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/jarad-combo-budget-1/

what should i add to this to make a control combo deck? ive got 20 dollars left to play with in the budget

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>>52382619
>making your deck susceptible

>>52383782
W A L L O F B L O O D
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i have a new kambal deck and i've found out i absolutely love telling people to "pay the tax" every time they do something

the best thing is when they drop a board wipe to kill the hexproof kambal and i give them that last "...pay the tax" remark

i love this fuckin guy

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>>52383815
>making a deck at all

>>52379358
Selenia lifeswap tho

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I sincerely hope this general auto-sages to the bottom and just dies and nobody ever makes an EDH general again. This amount of autism, trolling, and feint-superiority are not just annoying, but clinically dangerous. You people need help. You people truly and genuinely have a problem, on an interpersonal and social level you are all broken.

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>>52383939

>>52383939
Welcome to 4chan

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>>52383939
>see this shitpost
>can't even get mad, it's still better than pumaposting

>>52383998
>>52384019
>>52384035
>unironically responding to pasta
Stop giving this faggot your (you)s.

>>52384035
I'd play Big Heart. Holy Fuck I'd play the shit out of that. If it was mardu, it'd basically be broken.

>>52372751
Walmart or Target. That's where I got mine.

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Cards like this one, and the Kithkin and blue/black cards from Eventide-Lorwyn have a special place in my heart. Not only is the art fantastic, but it all has that German fairytale feel to it.

Is there enough support to build an entire Commander deck out of it? I want water themes, so I'm definitely playing blue. But I can't decide on red or black to go with it.

Any cool themes I should include in the deck?

Wait, now I'm curious, I have a few questions.

If you have an It that betrays, and your opponent is enchanted with wheel of sun and moon, will it pull sacrificed creatures from the opponent's library?
Also, if you sacrifice an It that betrays, will it recur itself?

Furthermore, if a card existed that created a replacement effect that would put cards into your hand instead of the graveyard, would an enemy it that betrays be able to take a sacrificed creature that went to your hand?

On another note, if you oblivion ring something, then pull it out of exile, and then exile it again, the oblivion ring won't recognize it when it leaves the battlefield right?

And lastly, is the general rule for cards that don't specify where they "look" when they want to return a card from somewhere to the battlefield after that card left the battlefield, that the effect will search in the first zone it entered, and only there?

>>52382444
>>52382531
>>52382536
>>52382565
>>52382619

>running blue mana to cast oloro instead of using him as an emblem

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>>52384035
>Cities underwent sweeping poverty reform

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>tfw my Jin Gitaxias group hug deck is done

>>52384717
I'm not a judge, but here's how I interpret it:
>If you have an It that betrays, and your opponent is enchanted with wheel of sun and moon, will it pull sacrificed creatures from the opponent's library?
It depends on what has been played most recently. As far as I can tell they're not dependent.

>Also, if you sacrifice an It that betrays, will it recur itself?
Not sure what you mean by this.

>Furthermore, if a card existed that created a replacement effect that would put cards into your hand instead of the graveyard, would an enemy it that betrays be able to take a sacrificed creature that went to your hand?
Again, most recently played takes precedence.

>On another note, if you oblivion ring something, then pull it out of exile, and then exile it again, the oblivion ring won't recognize it when it leaves the battlefield right?
No, if the oblivion ring gets destroyed the card will stay in exile.

>
And lastly, is the general rule for cards that don't specify where they "look" when they want to return a card from somewhere to the battlefield after that card left the battlefield, that the effect will search in the first zone it entered, and only there?
Cards that don't specify targets the card's ID. Every time a creature changes zones it gets a new ID, which is why your Oblivion Ring example works like it does. This _technically_ doesn't care about which zone it's in, because it could look anywhere, but since the card would receive a new ID if it changed zone it practically only looks in one zone.

new thread, we falling down
>>52385123

>>52384830
>I'm not a judge
That's where you should have stopped talking. Timestamp has nothing to do with this, and I don't know how you think it does.

Greentext story
>EDH Tourney
>G1 Everyone is focusing down my mono-blue Eldrazi deck that plays Braids as commander
>End up scooping because time in round and don't have anything in hand/on the draw and 3 other players focusing me instead of the GB sackfag who has all the advantage now
>Next game, t3 Ulamog
>Proceed to hold the advantage in terms of threats, but the other 2 are amassing their forces
>Chance a Devastation Wave, in hindsight the dumbest move of the game
>Establish a passable board and pass with 3 mana open
>Igotthis.jpg
>Opponent baits with his hexproof creature, then drops hour mage
>Wut.jpg
>Points system penalizes for combo, extra turns, killing another player first, etc
>He doesn't just tick 3 boxes
>HE TICKS THEM ALL
>Post-game, his exact words: "I didn't win anything, but killing you was the biggest concern."
>He ended up killing the other player, too
>Just to spite him/see if he had some critical thinking ability, we kept playing to see if he would risk losing points for additional turns

I get I was playing Jank and DT was a dumb maneuver, but why would someone intentionally last place themselves when the jank player will just end up getting points as a result?

>>52381735
Oh wow. Well now I really wish he was a legend, because thats some fucky shit.

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>>52377916
I think pic related would be pretty fun to run as a commander.

>>52385471
Speaking of ormendahl, I remember when some of you guys thought that he was phyrexian because of the scratch on his head that vaguely resembles the phyrexian logo.

Christ

>>52383782
any other suggestions?

>>52383782
>>52386981
Probably some more ways to fill out your graveyard and some cheap reanimation.
Grisly Salvage
Mulch
Satyr Wayfinder
Jarad's Orders is powerful and flavorful
Fill out your curve with mana dorks as well.

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>>52383923
>tfw I made a deck