Could a Chaos Marine beat a Primarch?

In the fluff Boatman sent Terminators flying like ragdolls

>>52358623
Only if he was so roided up on Warp juice he was actually a Daemon Prince. Otherwise he's getting obliterated.

>>52358623
Lore wise? no
But if he has enough plot armor in the book in question, yes

After all Batman was able to beat Kryptonians without even using kryptonite or his gadgets, only martial arts

>>52358685
Counterpoint: Luther beat Johnson via Warp steroids, and he wasn't even a full Marine.

>>52358790
Counterpoint to your Counterpoint: Johnson held back.

Counterpoint to my Counterpoint: Johnson was the actual Chaos marine and Luther held to his faith in the Emperor and won.

>>52358623
Ahriman dominated the entire Ynnari Triumvate with some planning and sorcery shenanigans, if that matters at all, he might be capable of fighting Guilliman if he gets the prep time.

But nobody below the 'big deal' Marines can really stand up to Primarchs.

>>52358623
It's fiction. The winner is whoever the fiction wants to win at that particular moment. Primarchs used to just be beefy astartes. They got badly wounded by lasguns in some old fluff. Nowadays you'd expect lasguns to bounce off their exposed skin, because the writers wanted that to be true.

"Who would win" arguments in fiction are stupid because there are no rules, there is just the narrative. If the story demands it, you can beam through shields. If the story demands it, you can't just fly over mordor. If the story demands it, a chaos space marine can beat a primarch.

>>52358623
Doubt it. Primarchs seem to be writers wet dreams incarnate. But in reality im sure a Primarch would go down if surrounded by well coordinated marines. One on one with a normal marine, Id say the Primarch just needs to tap into their plot armor to wield the strength necessary to maul anyone thats not another Primarch

>>52359313
KYS

>>52359279
Magnus was having a tough time, but he was winning before reinforcements showed up. How is Ahiriman compared to his papa?

>>52360313
Ahriman probably fares worse, but as I said it's all about prep time, especially with Tzeentchians. If Magnus had the time to prepare some wards on Luna to stop the Astronomicon's light from (presumably) messing with his Daemonic nature on top of some psykery-assistance rituals, he'd probably have split Guilliman in half.

The honest answer is that Abby could win if the plot and GW demands it.

Rising Storm shows the Warp Abby is evenly matched with Saint Celestene and edging her our without special warp/faith powers.

Gulliman was clearly uppercutting CHAOS TERMINATORS left and right. He went through them like a knife through butter. He was also holding his own against Magnus who is a Primarch but with Deamonhood powers.

But then again a Grey Knight was able to beat the fuck out of Mortarion as a deamon prince and carve his name onto his heart.

So yeah, there isnt a central power ranking list that GW adheres to

>>52358623
Kharn, maybe

>>52358623
A Daemon Primarch should be able to slay a Primarch that has just been resurrected and is still on life support, but I have a feeling we'll see the complete opposite as the story progresses.

>>52361482
Daemon Primarchs will always lose to the regular version, because the latter can't survive dying like daemons can. Ergo the secret to invincibility is to never ascend.

>>52358623
Could a grot kill Abbadon?

>>52360579
>carve his name into his heart
Did that... did that really happen? Did senpai finally notice him?

>>52358623
Unless they have so much warp juice flowing through them they are ascended to daemon prince. No

Even if they are deamon princes likely answer is still not unless they are fucking high tier, then maybe

>>52358623
Tell me, anon, why is the Lion sleeping in a rock, and whose fault is it?

The answer is canonically yes.

>>52360313
Ahriman is the strongest sorceror after Magnus, so he's in 4th or 5th place in the galaxy.

>>52360579
I wouldn't say Guilliman was exactly holding his own and Magnus was being repressed somewhat.

>>52362637
Kaldor Draigo did it to Mortarion, courtesy of Matt Ward.

>>52358623

Draigo beat Daemon Mortarion so I don't see why a Chaos Space Marine with enough special abilities couldn't kill a regular Primarch.

>>52358790
>>52359246
Jonson was a bitch though