/CofD/ & /wodg/ Chronicles of Darkness and World of Darkness

>>52357038
Hunter the Vigil / Hunters Hunted

Admittedly I haven't tried looking too hard.

>>52357038
Owod Wraith for grimderp
CofD Promethean

In VTM, can vampires smoke?

>>52357442
Yes.

>>52357442
Yeah, but it's mainly just cosmetic. Like any drugs or substances, it just goes through their bodies with no effect. If they drink the blood of someone who has taken something though, they can get drunk, high, etc.

>>52357971
Does it work the same way for ghouls?

>>52358229
No, ghouls remain normal humans with super powers and an addiction.

Here's hoping someone saved all that court building from last thread

>>52357442
So many of my NPCs smoke that I've had to come up with good reasons why vampires would smoke.
It helps build courage to fire over a longer period, it helps one look more human, it gives an excuse to loiter in weird places for five-ten minutes at a time and it gives an excuse to approach humans for a cigarette or a light.
As a vampire, there's little to be lost from smoking and a lot to be gained - it's not like it hurts you in the slightest.

>>52358428
My child, I now endow upon you a great tool that you might not worry about something being lost again.

http://archive.4plebs.org/tg/

Also check the actual /tg/ archive, baka.

>>52358428
Be the change you want to see in the world, anon.

Say....how long would you guys say a group of Mortals could last in Twilight naked and without any items?
I'm asking because one of our Mages just had to Ghost Gate 10 DEA agents.

>>52358861
Ghost Twilight?
Any dangerous Ghosts about?
Otherwise they'd last several days, until they died of dehydration.
Unless they found ghost-water.
In which case they'd likely last longer.

>>52358872
>Any dangerous Ghosts about?
Well...there may or may not be a ghost of a serial killer inside the haunted mansion they were just outside of. And a ghost I had to fight off with Camera Obscura. (Fatal Frame-inspired ability from Hurt Locker that lets a Mortal deal damage to an ephemeral by focusing a camera on them.)

>>52358229
As explained, ghouls are still essentially living humans. They're not dead - so remember, if you need business done in the daytime, that's one thing ghouls are for. And I guess if you want drugs, make your ghoul take them.

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What's the optimal number of Master cards?
And does ever deck really need 10x Life in the City because it would be waste not to user your opportunity for Trifle?

So what is wrong with Leviathans mechanically? I rather like the idea behind it.

Is Beast the Primordial basically Dexter the "Ends Justify the Means" / Ghost Rider game?

>>52351770
If you're still around, cowboy anon, the best way to have him get involved in investigative/political plots is to play up on his cowboy/gunslinger angle from that era. If he was a lawman with some ill repute for more dead bounties than living bounties, he already knows how to work with the investigation, just adapting to modern techniques and vampire society is cutthroat backroom 'i am the law here' politics, which he'd be intimately familiar with. I'd say look at Jonah Hex for some inspiration perhaps.

>>52358861
Twilight is a state of being, not an entirely different dimension. They would also have any stuff on them unless you stripped them before you chucked them through the Ghost Gate. They'd be wandering around, and dangerous to themselves if there's other entites on the same 'wavelength' as them around, like the ghost of the serial killer.

>>52359582
Nah, it's the 'we need to push something that helps our picked on minority players and their otherkin bullshit'. At least in how they did it. Beast could be good; the 'ancient horror ingrained in humanity' is an awesome concept. The execution is fucking stupid.

Last night we did something other than shitpost mage memes and brainstormed a changeling freehold. I'm posting what we came up with so far.

Freehold: Las Vegas
Freehold Story: Beauty & the Beast
Bulwark:TBD
Courts:

'Beauty' Court-Wisdom, innocence, compassion
'Beast' Court- Valor, rage, wealth
'Rose' Court- Destiny, melancholy, sybil
'Furniture' Court-Joy, pragmatism, workhorse
'Gaston' Court- Pride, dominance, control

Court symbol and descriptions:


Beauty Court- Hand mirror- Rules with wisdom acting in the long term interests of the freehold and trying to improve the station of it's members. Unfortunately they tend to overlook people's flaws and are perceived to be naive about the ugly side of politics.

Beast Court- Elk antlers or Bison horns- Crude and blunt. They're the leaders that everyone hates. However unpopular their decisions it tends to work out in the end. They're the beating heart of the freehold the source of the resources that makes it work.

Gaston Court- A bloody axe- Charming and utterly disastrous for the freehold. They're the charming warriors who have a bad habit of friendly fire. power house hunters

Seneschal Court-Candelabra- 'Furniture' could be a derogatory term for members of the . But they deal with it, because it's their job to keep the Freehold ticking, while not holding direct power themselves.

Rose Court- A wilting thorny rose- maintains a watch on all things Hedge. While the other Courts have their own interests, the Rose have their heads firmly in the clouds, so to say. They make prophecies, keep an eye out for all those who get lost, and seek to solve mystical problems, while the Seneschals solve practical problems.

Court procession:
Beast>Belle>Gaston

>>52360068
We still need a better name than Gaston for the court, it's too on the nose.

>>52360068
Things we still need to do.

Freehold bulwark ritual
Court rituals
Approaches
Titles
Contracts
Mantle

>>52360068
Ok this looks cool and all but can you give me a quick rundown how this stuff works? What's the deal with changeling courts?

>>52360164
http://theonyxpath.com/changeling-the-lost-second-edition-court-creation-and-toronto/

here's the tl;dr

The true fae want to drag changelings back to arcadia and keep doing whatever dark eldar tier kinky shit they're into.

To keep them off the trail changelings create freeholds. Communities 'inspired' by fairy-tales that have a complex set of rituals and bylaws that keep the true fae and huntsmen confused, disinterested, and off their trail.

A freehold is made up of a number of courts some of which cycle through leadership. Each court draws inspiration from aspects of a story.

>>52360304
Doesnt even necessarily be a 'story' in the same vein as red riding hood or beauty and the beast. Could be something vague like local lore, or "American road trip"

>>52360094

The court story is about them being great hunters and peerless fighters. Perhaps something like champion, lictor, or praetor?

Idea for beast court.

Vegas is a town where fortune and favor changes overnight and the true fae love it.

Before being abducted members of beast court came from charmed lives. Heirs to lucrative businesses or entertainers that just caught they're big break.

Their durance changed all that. What came back is broken and bitter Their talents are if anything enhanced from what they were before being taken but it's tempered with the cruel cynicism and ugly actions.

>>52360103
Rituals seem pretty obvious.

>A grand ball and dance transfers power from Beast to Belle.
>A day of hunting-games capped by the 'kidnapping' of the Belle monarch transfers it from Belle to Gaston
>A great 'duel' between monarchs or their champions marks the transition from Gaston to Beast

>>52360661
This is adorable. I'm giggling like a teenage girl for some reason.

Still no leak for Dark Era Companion. Man this thread is off its game.

>>52360304
Ok thanks. Sounds interesting enough

>>52360853
>Implying this thread ever got a link to anything within a week of its initial release

>>52360853
Holy fuck, why don't you google it or go to fucking 7chan which is where all the links fucking come from anyway? Geezus.

>>52357038
>Which of the WoD games have you always wanted to play, but never had the opportunity to do so and why?
Changeling the Lost.

>>52357038
Mage, Ascension and Awakening
Demon the Descent
Werewolf the Forsaken
Changeling the Lost
Mummy the Curse

None of my friends like CofD/WoD, except for VtM :(

ideas for skill/gear checks for a subtle/slow WtF idigam campaign?

>>52361160
Start them off with VtR then try hunter, and gradually see if you can work them into developing their tastes

>>52359484
Too many forms for one. Admittedly I like it too though.

>>52359582
It can be.

>>52359793
From what I've heard, Matt just wanted to create a game about scaring people. All the sjw stuff is just Matt being unable to keep his politics out of his work.

I remember awhile back there was a guy working on a monster manual for VtM, anyone have the PDF for it?

>>52361359
Thing is I'm a left-winger myself and I hate Beast with passion(ok I did adapt few powers that I found thematic for VtR but that is beside the point). So he pissed off people on both sides

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Redpill me on this

>>52357971
what about taste? Do vampires taste or smell anything but blood?

>>52362201
They can taste things but the problem is nothing tastes as good as blood

>>52360906
Mage got leeked before Mage even released.

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>>52362146
>Beast
My solution was to introduce social splats.
Humanist splat
Horror splat
Mysteries splat

Humanists are the hard deniers and control their horrors. low feeding frequency. always on the edge of ripping it all up
Horror splat like to let it all hang out. forsaken being human feeds when they're hungry. their feedings are more spread out. they feed more often but the horror they give out are worse. But they don;t snap as hard as the humanist
Mystery They go explore mysteries of the others and their conditions. They're the questioning and questing splat.

Simple. so the morality is shifted into what view you have. is a little more horror spread around more merciful, than trying to hide it all then failing? Is trying to keep it intact an ethical good even if the fail state is so terrible?

Feeding becomes a socialist question. both have good points and bad points. It allows questioning inside of the narrative which was lacking before. Also the whole everyone is family was really dumb, so this is a way for them to self examine while still being social

>>52360510
>>52360094
Being on the nose is the point. We already have the rose, beauty and the beast as court names. people will figure it out. so why not embrace it. and in universe people would embrace that as well.

In the fairy tale Gaston is not the protagonist but he is 'Hero' of the village. the will of the populace. Yes he was the antagonist and was doing it for selfish reasons, but in the eyes of the layman villager he's doing the right thing. Without the context and the knowledge of the rose or the curse. He's killing the monster and saving the village. Gaston is the personification of mob rule. He's the antagonist but he isn't "Evil" evil in the classic sense.

He's brave, he's powerful, He's charming, but he's also not academic or intellectually curious, and he's damn prideful and selfish.

The smart people will get it, and the rest wouldn't care.

It works on the individual level and on the collective level. It stands up

>Approaches
These are the way courts deliberately leave open their defenses for huntsmen to attack. Drafting
Court - Approach - Fall

Beauty - Mystery or Puzzles - Native tricked
Beast - Bargains or Combats - wrath deals gone bad
Seneschal - Loyality or mortals - betrayal passivity
Rose - The Hedge or mysteries - losing track of themselves into madness
Gaston - Combat or mortals - Pride before-then the fall overreaching attacking his friends

Trappings
Beauty - Librarian books
Beast - symbols of wealth suits furs
Seneschal - symbols of authority?
Rose - occultism thorns gardening
Gaston - Hunting scouts pelts

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Does anyone have this album they'd be willing to share?

I've been looking for it for years but I've never been able to find an actual copy anywhere. It was on megaupload at one point and the first three tracks are on yt:

https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLGmzL5kF63teLQWr7ozRBCWwZscL7RBdB

>>52362643
I think beast could be made better if they had a sheet for ones "legend" in the same way promethean had the pilgrimage chart. Then things are less vague

>>52362280
It usually takes a week or two for someone to post shit, even pre-release proofing copies

>>52363465
That assumes that the goal of the game is gain the inheritance. much in the same way the goal of Promethean is to become human.

And there are mechanics for becoming monster ultimate. I mean you could model it as an aspiration tiered system. once you hit lair 6. I mean basically all you got to do is kill a hero without taking damage. like it's that hard or something. sample adventure they threw out was an alpha beast ascending via terrorist attack

>>52359463
15-17. Basically you'll want 1 Master for as many turns as a game usually lasts, unless you're playing a Master focused deck with cards that give you multiple Master phase actions.
Trifles are good, but the more you front load your deck with them, the more you'll start to have card flow issues and will probably end up discarding some of them anyway.
VtES is tricky in that way I think, since there's no individual card limit it can seem like a good idea to include a lot of something useful, but in practice it's best to minimize your library to like 75-80.

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>>52362186
Even if you ignore all the retarded modern contrivances, this is just painful to read.
>pickup something up
>wait wait

>>52357038
I've always wanted to do a like a, Gehenna or apocalypse game where the players are just trying to survive the madness.

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Need some help. Running a campaign where I have a player playing an immortal via purified and all of the others have joined Hunter organizations. I want to make an immortal mentor to protect the one player. I want the character to be based of Vince McMahon. What stats do I need to give him?

So. how 'bout them mummies...?

>>52364618
They are preety cool guys eh reclaim relics and not afraid of anything

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>>52364515
>immortal mentor
>Not basing it on Sean Connery

I mean you can I just don't know what the point is

>>52364515
Id go with prioritising attributes ad physical, social, mental. In that order. Make skills go physical mental social.
Give him a madness condition.

Vince is jacked, but autistic and insane as hell

>>52364682
There can be only one?

>>52364704
Alright thanks for the help. That actually makes sense. Figured I need to give him a ton of resources and other shit. Making him jacked and giving him physical brawling should be a good idea on top of him being immortal

I like playing with both sexes just fine but what is the actual explanation for why Vampire attracts SO much more women than any other game subject? It's not Twilight or any other individual piece of media (whatever the FotM may be at present), before you try and imply that bullshit at me. The female obsession with vampires is long and old.

>>52364891
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ooN9xdAgi5w

>>52364993
Because women like being taken and compelled. Rape fantasies are one of the most common and the whole damn game is a giant rape fantasy.

>>52364993
Older men

>>52364993
Women like older, tepid men full of money.

>>52365028
True

>>52365044
It's power. It is not the age but the power a man holds that makes them attractive

It's why 50shades of grey even exists

>>52365028
Also the murder compulsion and its conflict with any other feelings they might have. They're a project!

>>52365028
Aside from the act of feeding itself being a rape substitute (which is almost always glossed-over as a routine activity not worth spending game time describing), what other parts about it makes the "whole damn game" a rape fantasy? That wouldn't be found in the other games, I mean. They ALL have tons of mind-control stuff.

>>52365093
>It's power

If that were the case, why aren't these women swooning all over Awakening instead? kek

>>52365365
The magic system is too complicated for them.

>>52365257
The feeding is the core of the vampire myth. Lost of control, emotional manipulation. The whole game may not be That but it is the core that the game is built around. without the feeding and the embrace, there is no game. Vampirism is a lethal STD that just keeps on giving after you die.

Hell even you're favorite bite snack blood doll, or most loyal blood slave can come back as a revenant mistake after they die.

>>52365365
If Mage were about playing high-school wizards it would be the most female-dominated roleplaying game this side of VtM. Magic school and magic teens is another huge cute obsession. The fact that WW are not going to realize that in time for the next game series is a business tragedy.

>>52365365
because its a creepy nerd power fantasy.

>>52365440
Except normal 'sane' people aren't going to butcher their fiction with disgusting teen drama, no matter the potential benefits.

>>52365505

>normal 'sane' people
>YA is the most popular fiction genre

>>52365505
not to quash a good counterpoint. but if you play it right you can make vampire the eternal highschool drama. with the convents as cliches

>>52365557
Still doesn't make you sane.

>>52365563
I'm going to vomit.

>>52365440
Orders and Paths kind of get in the way of it. Other than a slightly different set of skills, the system could be converted by just letting arcana be freely selected as the characters' courses.

Of course a more nailed-down approach to a character's class attendance, teacher tolerance and detention time would make it more interesting and take the burden off of roleplaying boring classes out to 'maintain the feel', if those are things you can then abstractify and get only the story-affecting bits from.

>>52365557
>YA is the most popular fiction genre

Evidently false based on statistical consensus. It's still up there.

>>52365591

Non-deviation from the norm, like reading popular fiction genres, is actually one of the three basic categories for sanity.

>>52365720

LA LA LA LA I CAN'T HEAR YOU LA LA LA LA

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>>52365633
>spend too much mana or adventuring resource
>miss class
>its teacher happens to have a horribly low tolerance pool of 3, where being late is -1 and absent -2
>but you have the Fucking Brat flaw so you got -3 for one absence
>gain unavoidable detention dots
>as soon as they reach your composure score you start accruing molestation points and take concentration penalties in magics studies

>>52365440

The fact that not a single RPG company jumped on the Harry Potter craze besides a thinly veiled fetish RPG pretending to be a kids game is mind boggling.

>>52365500
>scrawny D&D nerd spontaneously combusts goth girl's emo vampire boyfriend

How is this not good material? Nobody here likes those types of girls.

>>52365790
Everything but the end part seemed cool to me Tbh. Including having flaws and merits to affect how tolerant teachers are with you.

The whole 'being late for class' thing does deserve being automated by the system, but maybe having to do Detention could then switch to being an actual roleplay event or challenge. Especially when your friends successfully get you out with illusions. That would be the challenge with such a system, knowing what things should be abstracted, because there's a lot of mundanity involved with running a 'school' game.

>>52365913
>Literally a school shooting
wanton destruction breaks down when an actual authority needs to handle the mess. And you either must sacrifice the verisimilitude of the setting or resign to a game of absurdity

>>52366049
>The authorities proceed to congratulate the young mage for nuking Edward Cullen into the bowels of oblivion

Don't be ridiculous, anon. This is as real as it gets.

>>52366093
>game of absurdity

>>52365913
>implying all are students
>one student is kill at hands of another
>no way to prove 'evil'
>game of absurdity

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>>52365790
>Fucking Brat
>not taking Teacher's Pet for FREE lates, practically granting you a whole extra action on misadventures
>then combining with Overachiever to be able to spend full XP on advancing even arcanas whose classes you're late for
Just having either is enough to also get teachers to like you, as a bonus. Easy teacher permissions for the whole party, what more could you ask for?

>>52366603
Not worth it, you're either increasing your bully target chance if you get special treatment in class or accruing molestation points if you go ask for shit in their office.

>>52365633
>the system could be converted by just letting arcana be freely selected as the characters' courses

Oh. My Gods. Did you see the see the teacher for AP Forces? He is sooo hot!

I don't care if it's against the rules, I'm gonna see his wand before mid-terms.

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>>52364891
>There can be only one?

Indeed.

>>52362186
It's the VtM official mobile game, which is a visual novel style CYOA. It features such awesome things as a character waxing about an ass he ate the previous evening that's now detatched from its owner, and SJW tranny who either gives handjobs to or kills people like Uber drivers if they aren't far enough left for her, and a vegan vampire who only drinks from people who are vegan. It's a fucking trainwreck.

>>52363454
For fuck's sake, it was literally one google away.

http://a.sirens.rocks/music/Bart%20Dijkman/Vampire%3A%20the%20Masquerade%20-%20A%20Beast%20I%20Am%20%28Full%20Album%29%20%5B320kbps.MP3%5D/

>>52367671
Username/password? That trick doesn't work near as well as it use too.

>>52364413
I'm running that for the LARP I run. It's fun as hell, the players love being able to interact with the larger WoD in that manner. Poor Lasombra Antitribu dude though, he got posessed by [Lasombra] by being in the Abyss too much.

>>52365820
Because Harry Potter with the serial numbers filed off, if executed badly, will 1) fail spectacularly and 2) invite a huge lawsuit, since there is record of Jo stating she doesn't want RPGs anywhere near her franchise.

>>52367730
>doesn't want RPGs anywhere near her franchise.
Would you want filthy degenerates like us anywhere near your FOR CHILDREN series?

>>52367684
Huh, I've never seen a folder do that; usually te permissions are on the folder itself. Bear with me, I will find this fucking thing now, it's a point of pride at this point for me.

>>52367771
God speed sir. I hope google piracy hasn't totally failed us.

>>52367730
Wizarding schools are not exactly a creation of Rowling. She can't do jack shit unless they make it a direct copy of her work.

>>52367798
Oh, it's a scam site. Okay, moving on. I will find it. I found fucking Vampire: Undeath, I will fucking find this.

>>52367814
True, pulling far enough away from the Potter specifics will prevent lawsuits. But there is more risk than not, especially since people will be looking at it and comparing it 1-for-1 to Harry Potter.

how much vampire related material has been created over the years that WW/OPP could sue for megabux over?

>>52367851
Just use the Order of Hermes and only let your players use rotes.

>>52367858
It happened. Did you never hear about how the sued Underworld?

>>52367858
all of it kek

>>52367851
>But there is more risk than not

Except there isn't. D&D and others have been spamming the wizard's school trope for half a century.

>>52367899
And the other various authors which came long before. Harry Potter just isn't unique in any way, really.

Institutions for learning magic is one of the most common aspects of fantasy.

>>52367887
no, I didn't, but that's amazing

OPP vs Bethesda over Dawnguard when?

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>>52367887
Didn't they lose that one? The HL1 mod wasn't actually that bad.

I think we can all agree that WW was fucking retarded over the Underworld case.

You can't lay claim to something so fucking broad like that. Typical SJW behavior of the 90s, lingering into the new millennium.

>>52367941
>The lawsuit ended in a confidential settlement.
I'm no expert but I think that means they won.

So our cabal just managed to steal a Mummy from a Museum. As in Arisen.

We didn't know it was Arisen, we just replaced it with a look-alike , slipped it in the magic box the buyer wanted it in, and took off. Thing is, Ashwood Abbey had the same idea, except they were going to grind it up and mix it with cocaine.

So we fight off the Abbey in something resembling "GTA 5 chase with magic" and get it back to the buyer. It finally busts out, and "it" is a very attractive yet kind of creepy woman.

We talk it down without bloodshed, only now, she's more interested in us than the buyer. Which is great, because now we are now on both the Guardian/Mysterium Cabal and Ashwood Abbey's shitlists.

I know fresh out of the box mummies can stomp all over our mid-level cabal - probably the other cabal too, but I'm not sure what they've got.

So what I'm really asking is at what point would it be safe for us to give her a bukkake party and make her into a cummy mummy?

All I wanna do is hunt monsters and hide my PTSD. Why is life so unfair?

>>52367984
>So our cabal just managed to steal a Mummy from a Museum. As in Arisen.

You niggers dead. Just stone dead. Best to give your pricks one last goodbye pull and hope your end doesn't come slowly.

>>52367984

If she's capable of talking to you and not attempting to break your neck, she's probably at Sekhem 9 or 8. You'd need to wait a bit before you could take her on in combat, but that could be a long, long while.

Your best bet is to try to form an alliance, or at least try to help her re-establish contact with her Cult, if she's still got one. The obstacle there is that she will probably try to induct all of you into the Cult, which may be inconvenient.

>>52367963
We have no idea what they ultimately got but they settled out of court. There was enough comparsion, though, to make between Underworld and a WW fiction piece about a vampire and werewolf romance IIRC. I assume there was ENOUGH to prove something (and the onus is on WW to provide specific instances of copyright infringement), but not enough to shut it down. Which is why it went way left field as the series progressed.

>>52367963
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>>52367941
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>>52357038
>THAI CUISINE
Heh, never noticed that before.

>>52367834
I couldn't find it on slsk either FYI
There's somebody selling it on French ebay for 50 euros and some site that does not look legit selling what I suppose is a digital download for $15

>>52368129
>There was enough comparsion
Some of the shit they tried saying was evidence of copyright infringement was just nothing, though. Like "Assamites are north african/middle eastern vampires, and Kahn from Underworld is a black dude", or "vampires are fast in both".

>>52368221
>>52368221
Right, I am aware. But either 1) there was enough that someting would've come of it, or 2) Sony felt it wsn't worth the time and just threw money at them to get them to shut up.

>>52368255
>Sony felt it wsn't worth the time and just threw money at them to get them to shut up.
I'm going to guess this one. The cost of the lawer's day in court was probably less than the cost to shut them up

shameless

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>>52368205
So far my normal methods aren't bearing any fruit, but I'm going to keep looking. I found the old rapidshare.de and megaupload links but I can't run those through the archive I usually use.

>>52362186
>implying such flagrant masquerade breaches wouldn't get your ass staked

Literally the best ending for that game would be for a justicar to show up and fuck everyone up, as well as the prince and the primogens for allowing it to get to this point

>>52368391
>>52368391
It's implied it's a bunch of thinbloods in a fucked up LA, and that all the elders are off at a Camarilla gathering in the area. A bunch of us assume this is how the V5 setting of 'elders are mostly dead, neonates and ancillae are the most common vampires' they teased.

Also for fuck's sake, 4chan, how many captchas do I need to fucking do?

>>52368391

Metaplot now says that all the important vampires are moving to the West Coast, so that's not going to happen anymore.

It appears 5e will encourage you to play a new Generation of Thin-Bloods working their way up in less rigid political city structures while trying to avoid the revived Mortal Inquisition.

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>>52367610
>>52362186
I meant to ask you guys, but what was the overall impressions of both here on /wodg/?

>>52364515
>I want the character to be based of Vince McMahon

[curiosity intensifies]

If he doesn't betray the player at some point I'll be disappointed

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kujo7V9m0gk

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>>52368463
The Vampire game was blasted up the ass, both here and on other forums, for shoving the author's politics in the audience's faces as well as just general shitty writing (characters do Shakespearean monologues while chasing you around, forced and unfunny references).

The Mage game was better received.

>>52368384
Thanks & I appreciate your efforts

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>>52368472
>when you realize that your splats target audience is the hot-topic crowd circa 1994-2005

>>52368463
What >>52368501 said, plus there's also a ton of speculation about some things in there, like the SJW transgender murder vampire being a pastiche of the person who wrote Monsterhearts. In addition to the shithole of the game itself, the writer is also very.. controversial. He's a known harasser and sockpuppeter and is essentially Null Snyper in human form. Hell, his involvement with WW (he's going to be writing for them for V5!) got David Hill to quit writing for OPP.

>>52368546
>Hell, his involvement with WW (he's going to be writing for them for V5!) got David Hill to quit writing for OPP.
It's yet to be seen if this is good or bad yet.

>>52368567
I'd fall on the side of good. Of course, now David H is writing his own vampire game, which is 'a game about monsters. But not written BY monsters'. YEs, that's his tagline for the game on the tweetor and facebook.

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Fucking liars

>>52368588
He pretty much embodies every reason to hate communists

>>52368588
Maybe he's going for a game about humans in a world that has vampires without the focus being on hunters fighting the darkness.

There better be hookers and blackjack.

>>52368650
Nah, it's a game about playing vampires. He's talked some about his origin like vampires coming out of the Ereshkigal mythology, that sort of stuff. He's got a Facebook about it, and I was morbidly curious and insomniac one night and didn't feel like jamming spoons in my eyes.

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>>52362186

WE
EAT
BUTT

Even as a fan of Beast, I agree with the people who say it lacks its own identity. There's just too reliance on the material of other gamelines. And there is this sense that Beasts know other supernaturals better than they know themselves, which is really smug and off-putting.

I wish Beast had its own social factions so it could stand out more. It could also give more attention to high Integrity Heroes. As it is, the tone is too much "Beasts are misunderstood and persecuted". It should be more "Beasts are abominations, period, and they have to earn their place in the world".

>>52368546

Of course, the writer claims that the character's based on adult film actress Bailey Jay with her permission, and that it's just a coincidence that the pastiche just so happens to use the name of a writer he hates.

Either way, we can only hope that he gets so involved with HIS Vampire game that he wants to get out before any new OPP material or 5e that he doesn't touch a WoD product ever again.

Quick, I'm attending a Mage Session in a few hours but havent stattes my Rank 2 Familiar help me!

Familiar is a Spirit whuch influence is the sky. What would its Power/Finesse/Resistance. What are its Numen.

My concept is that it allows me to fly/floay/levitate and can prottect from the rigors of high altitudes or create high altitude like conditions in an area.

Whats its Ban?

>>52368715
I guess we'll see. Dracula and him seem cut from the same cloth, and he's buddies with Martin outside of work I think, so...

>>52368725
Power Fuck you
Finesse Eat Shit
Resistance Die

>>52368384
Good luck, man!

>>52368100
The cult could be of great benefit. More so if you can gain some form of leadership in it. It would provide protection people to hind amongst.

>>52368725
Rank 2, Power 3, Finesse 6, Resistance 3
Numina: Blast (gusts of air), Telekinesis (air), Speed (air moves fast), Hallucination (altitude illusions), Pathfinder (seek via the air)
Manifestations: Twilight Form, Familiar, Materialization, Image
Influence: Air 2
Bane: An item which has lain within the earth from dusk to dawn
Bane: May not touch the earth, anything affixed to it, or interred within it

>>52367984
>Not joining the mummies cult and turning it's tomb into your sanctum
Why even cross over game lines.

>>52368819

Well, the Cleopatra Dark Era does state that anyone truly alive can learn the power of Sekhem Sorcery, so if the Cabal doesn't mind attempting to learn terrible and forbidden arts with a power source that they can't wield as comfortably as Mana, they've got an in.

>>52368835
Alternatively, decrease Finesse by 1 and increase Power by 2, dependong in whether you're talking about a Spirit of Strong winds or not.

How do I use a magical tool in M:tA? Do I just have to be holding it when I cast the spell?

>>52368898
Hold it, and spend the action to draw upon its sympathies of form and function to gain the bonus as one of your yantras.

>>52368860
Wait you got the dark Era companion book, what else do they have for the Era?

Also how did they handle the Blood bather? Turn in into a merit line or something different*

>>52368835
>>52368894

That spirit has too many numina and manifestations for a basic rank 2 familiar.

>>52368860

Would you care to share the Dark Eras Companion with us poor folk who could back the Kickstarter?

>>52367858
>>52367963
Anyone seen the movie What We Do In The Shadows?

THAT work of art was exactly VtM in every way except for mortals dying from the embrace. Literally everything else was pure VtM larp. It even had different types of vampires by clan, similar to VtM clans to the degree where they were instantly recognizable. If it wasn't intentional, it was an hour and a half of coincidences. No lawsuit.

>>52369039
>No lawsuit.
Because it came out in 2014, so nobody who'd care to sue had any money to do so.

>>52368982
Rank 2 Spirits can 3-5 Numina (I count 5 on my list)
They also get Manifestations equal to their Rank (Image and Materialization), as well as Twilight Form for free, and the Familiar spell grants them that Manifestation Condition as well.

>>52369061
It's also done as a parody, which has different IP issues and is less liable to be sued upon. Not that Swedracula cares about anything right now.

>>52369191
kek

>>52368840

Our ST is fond of "experimenting" with crossovers to figure out what works and what doesn't.

Cross-splat cooperation is usually relatively easy, but watch your back and give each splat a chance to shine.

Combat, well, that usually comes down to whoever comes up with a better plan.

>>52368129
>There was enough comparison

Sorry. there just wasn't.

>>52368038
But what if they're a cabal full of Masters? In which case, the mummy is dead.

>>52369666
Apparently they're mid-tier, but it seems the situation was already defused somehow.

How have Cabals been relevant in your games?

Are they more than just a simple "you're the PCs" designation?

How have NPC cabals interacted with your games?

It is reasonable to think that Mages might abandon or move away from the concept as they get more power, the bonds of a Legacy and tutorship perhaps becoming more important, or perhaps other issues falling away as you pursue your own, complicated and esoteric Obsessions, finding it harder and harder to find others who share them with you, and perhaps finding others get in your way more than they're helpful?

>>52368835
Define affixed to the Earth.

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Stat him (WoD or CoD, whichever you want)

>>52369676

The mummy was last active in 19th century England and could speak some English. After we explained the situation we'd rescued it from, it seemed, well, grateful would be an exaggeration, but something along those lines.

>>52369765
Just a handsomer version of that stupid Caine joke sheet

>>52369796
Are you saying Caine isn't handsome?

>>52369765
God-Machine created Cryptid designed with exceptional scientific knowledge, minor psychic ability and minor biological deviations, including extreme regenerative capacitiy.

Partnered with an Exile laire (probably the wrong name, those Angels imbued into physical objects/locations) which has time-travelling capacity.

He believes that he's on the run from it, but ultimately it has an approximate form over control over where he goes, and sends him to "fix" problems here and there. He's a long-term project.

>>52369765
I have him as an Unchained. His various Regenerations are Covers.

Virtue: Adventurous/Inventive
Vice: Fickle

Incarnation: Psychopomp
Agenda: Inquisitor/Tempter
Catalyst: Freedom Of Movement

Mental Attributes: Intelligence 6, Wits 4, Resolve 4
Physical Attributes: Strength 3, Dexterity 4, Stamina 3
Social Attributes: Presence 4, Manipulation 5, Composure 3

Mental Skills: Academics (History) 4, Crafts (Machines) 4, Computer 3, Medicine 3, Occult 3, Politics 2, Investigation 4, Science (Time Travel) 5
Physical Skills: Athletics (Running) 3, Brawl 1, Drive 2, Firearms 2, Larceny (Sonic Screwdriver) 3, Stealth 2, Survival 1, Weaponry (Swords) 3
Social Skills: Animal Ken 1, Empathy 3, Expression (Humor) 3, Intimidation (Grandiose Threats) 3, Persuasion (Leadership, Diplomacy) 4, Socialize 2, Streetwise 2, Subterfuge (Technobabble, Bluff) 3

Merits: Area Of Expertise (Time Travel, Sonic Screwdriver), Common Sense, Danger Sense, Encyclopedic Knowledge (Crafts, Science), Eye For The Strange, Fast Reflexes 2, Good Time Management, Indomitable (Advanced), Interdisciplinary Specialty (Time Travel, Sonic Screwdriver), Investigative Aide (Science), Patient, Professional Training 5 (Time Lord: Crafts, Science, Persuasion), Tolerance For Biology, Trained Observer 1, Virtuous (Advanced 3), Fleet Of Foot 3, Hardy 2, Greyhound, Iron Stamina 2, Parkour 4, Quick Draw (Sonic Screwdriver), Seizing The Edge, Sleight Of Hand, Closed Book 3, Contacts (Inquisitors, Tempters), Fast-Talking 4, Fixer, Inspiring, Iron Will, Pusher, Sympathetic, Table Turner, True Friend (Companions), Advance Form, Consummate Professional (Inquisitor, Tempter), Gadget (Sonic Screwdriver, Psychic Paper), Living The Lie, Multiple Agendas, Resonance Sensitive, Resonance Aware 3, TARDIS*, Terrible Form 4, Versatile Transformation

(Continued in the next post)

>>52369854
Sonic Screwdriver's Embeds (Lambda): Open Sesame, Right Tools Right Job, Like I Built It and Cause And Effect.

Psychic Paper's Embed (Precision Engineered): Authorized.

*TARDIS: A Lare (see Demon's ST Guide Page 79) of Rank 5 with a special Incept that allows it to travel through space-time. It cannot travel to alternate planes of existence (use Rip The Gates for that). Its other traits are up to the ST.

Embeds

Vocal: Across A Crowded Room, Animal Communication, Borrowed Expertise, Eavesdrop, Everybody Knows, Imagine, Muse, Remote Link-Up, Voice Of The Machine

Instrumental: Data Retrieval, Efficiency, Functional Identity, Like I Built It, Open Sesame, Right Tools Right Job, Turn Blade

Cacophony: Bystander Effect, Cause And Effect, Cool Heads Prevail, Hesitation, Just Bruised, On The Mend, Shatter, Special Someone

Mundane: Associate And Integrate, Authorized, Deep Cover, Going Native, Homogeneous Memory, In My Pocket, Interference, Never Here, Occam's Razor, Persistent Legend, Quick Change, Without A Trace

Exploits

Allies Into Gold, Context Matters, Deep Pockets, Force Relationship, Four Minutes Ago, Hellhounds*, Rip The Gates, Stop

*Uses Crafts instead of Animal Ken, since the Doctor builds his Cryptids from scratch as machines rather than transforming animals.

Demonic Form

Modifications: Advanced Optics, Blade Hand, Component Indicators, Tough As Stone

Technologies: Environmental Resistance, Mind Reading, Multiversal Antennae, Shielded Compartment

Propulsions: Long Limbs, Plasma Drive

Processes: Extra Mechanical Limbs, Memory Theft, Nanobot Composition

Defense: 7
Initiative: 9
Speed: 15
Willpower: 7
Health: 8
Primum: 6
Glitches: Two hearts.

>>52370035
Too much, anon. Too much.

>>52368993
>share the Dark Eras Companion

Please!

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Why is 2 dots of Mind better than the entirety of Dominate?

Is this by intent?

>>52371365
Because vampires suck.

>>52371365
Because splats were never designed to be balanced against each other.
For the millionth fucking time, get over it.

>>52371365
Because given there's no assumption of inter-splat balance, they didn't need to needlessly hamper Awakened Magic by relying on a dot-for-dot parity system.

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>>52371365
>Is this by intent?

It's by design.

>>52371442
>>52371449
>>52371486
>>52371487

Fair enough.

>>52371541
Oh wow, someone who isn't raging over the obvious. A rare sight indeed.

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A Solar Exalted [2e] makes it into the New World of Darkness. What is the most likely result? Assume he is Essence 5 and has access to as many artifacts, weapons, or armor as he needs.

Why do people insist on having the x-splat vs y-splat debate when none of the splats are intended to really fight each other? All it does is derail threads

>>52371627
Something something mages, something, something SPHERES.

>>52371716
You have something better to talk about?

>>52371731
Yes.
What kind of promethean would/CofDg/ assemble?

>>52357038
About to run an idea I've had rattling around in a few days: Wolfblooded attend a reform school hundreds of miles away from home because parents don't know why their kids are awful. Turns out it's a Azlu nest sending kids back home "perfect" to set up next nest. After they fix this, they have to deal with all things teenager and foster parents who don't give a shit if they are killing machines. Have to do homework.

>>52371656
Unless he plays by the rules and keeps to himself, the Exarchs send Ochemata after him until he fucking dies.

>>52371761
Something even remotely able to stand a chance against a mage.

>>52371716
This is WoD culture, anon. Ever since Masquerade faggots started hating on Ascension players people have been white-rooming constantly.

>>52371803
I don't know that even a hundred Ochemata would so much as slow down a high end Exalt, those niggas can kill mountains.
>>52371761
A dead person returned to life through the Divine Fire [or at any rate a Promethean who thought that's what she was] trying to fix herself so she can go home to her old life.

>I know little about Promethean, plz no bully if such a concept doesn't 'work' in the setting.

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AKU, THE MASTER OF DARKNESS!

Type: Idigam (Earthbound)
Rank: 6 (Dihar)
Attributes: Power 15, Finesse 15, Resistance 15
Willpower: 10
Essence: 240
Initiative: 15
Defense: 11
Speed: 40
Size: Varies
Corpus: 15 + Size + Rank
Armour: 15
Manifestations: Twilight Form, Discorporate, Gauntlet Breach, Materialize, Reaching, Royal Avatar, Shadow Gateway,
Influences: Darkness 6
Numina: Awe, Blast, Dement, Essence Thief, Hallucination, Mortal Mask, Nightmare Weaponry, Omen Trance, Pathfinder, Seek, Speed, Telekinesis
Dread Powers: Call Void Spirit, Colossus, Devourer, Elemental Fury, Crazed Evolution, Regenerate 3, Shifting, Spirit Dominion, Spirit Interrogation
Essence Shaping: Gauntlet Manipulation,Ghost Manipulation, Locus Manipulation, One Million Eyes, Spirit Manipulation
Forge Servant: Claimed, Herald, Spawn
Ban: Must show a trait of his true form no matter what disguise he takes
Bane: Jack's Magic Sword

Special Considerations: As an entity of Rank 6, Aku may use any power covered by spells from the common Practices of any Arcanum, as long as the power relates to its area of influence. Convert Mana costs to Essence and add the standard one Essence for using an Influence. Extended spells must still be “cast” over time, each “roll” taking half an hour. He achieves additional, automatic successes on any roll equal to his Rank in anything relating to his purview or his Rank - 5 for anything else. He regains his Rank in Essence every turn.

He also has the power to make you read stuff in his voice.

>>52371856
>I don't know that even a hundred Ochemata
A Hundred Ochemata would be enough to destroy the planet several times over.

>>52371914
Actually going by Seer propoganda, there are only 77 Ochemata.

Ranging from Rank 6 all the way (I would assume) to Rank 8 or even possibly 9.
Which would put them on-par with Luna, or Gaia (if she exists).

There was a previous discussion of oWoD vs Exalted.

oWoD won as soon as the Archmages & Celestines joined the battle. Not even the Unconquered Sun is going to do anything to those things.

>>52371984
>Unconquered Sun

He is completely invulnerable to harm. That's about it. Not much of an advantage.

>>52372039
They could go back in time and kill the Ebon Dragon, Mages are bullshit.

The real fun of a Solar in the oWoD is using a social Charm so powerful it changes the Consensus by fiat. You could warp local reality just by 'convincing' the majority of people to believe you.

>>52371984
It really depends on the respective archmage, and how powerful.

>>52371727
We're talking Awakening, fampai
They're called Arcana

>>52372113
This has been tried before, that's not how the Consensus works.

If it did work, the most proficient mages of the Sphere of Mind would have done it long ago.

>>52372141
If you have a source on that I'd like to see it.

>>52372190
Not sure if serious. This is literally common sense. Abilities that tamper with belief are literally everywhere in the oWoD. A whole Sphere can be specialized to do just that.

>>52372214
Yes, abilities that tamper with belief are common. But you need a truly vast scale to effect the Consensus even in a local respect, making it mostly the purview of someone with Arete 6+, that is, an Archmage.

The only thing stopping an Archmage from turning an entire city into his own personal Paradigm by brain washing thousands of people is the Paradox the mind-washing itself would cause, and the fact that the NWO would nuke him into hell for doing so, and the Void Engineers Chrononaut division or Syndicate bankers would have predicted the city's flip days in advance.

A Solar however could do so much easier, supposing he had one of the high level Social Charms.

>>52372244
>post
The Union can't just 'nuke' an archmage. That's absurd.

>A Solar however could do so much easier
Not really, no not really. The Union deals with threat levels like this regularly.

>>52372272
>The Union can't just 'nuke' an archmage. That's absurd.
Yes they can, with their own Arch-Scientists

>>52372272
1. Take nuke metaphorical if you wish, the point is they would match force for force on any high Arete mage stupid enough to try something so spectacular.

2. I wouldn't say regularly. A high-Essence Solar showing up in New York would be a Zapathasura-level shitstorm.

>>52372291
I can agree on that. A Convention isn't going to do much without them.

>>52372313
It's going to take another archmage equivalent to do what you're suggesting. In which case, the fight itself is not going to happen on Earth.

>Zapathasura
You mean when the Technocracy killed an Antediluvian using Forces 5? Yeah, not very impressive.

That whole book was critically panned for its stupidity anyhow. At least that one section.

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>>52372190

So Exalt three out yet

>>52372344
>sunlight killing Ravnos
Sunlight isn't 5 dots, anon

That whole scenario was disgustingly exaggerated.

>"CODE RAGNAROK BAAHHHH"
>"better go full Team America and nuke India for no real reason

>>52372407
>nuke India for no real reason
Like it didn't need to happen anyway.

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Say what you want about the retardation concerning the Ravnos situation. The artwork was awesome and the battle was epic before the mages entered the arena.

>>52372436
>epic before the mages entered the arena.

Isn't that always the case.

Mages are so supreme is makes crossover boring.

So what would happen if nWoD archmages were to fight oWoD archmages?

mages are bankrupt for style because people focus on the powers and not the characters

>>52372633

Your mom would come into your room and tell you to stop shitposting and get done with your elementary school homework.

Just kidding, your mom is dead and no one loves you.

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>>52372665

>>52372665
Well aren't you a pissy little bitch.

What spheres would I need to be able to capture a werewolf and jam it into a small ball, change the color of it's fur to orange, give it fire breathing abilities, listen to all my commands without fail and the inability to say anything other than "Arcanine"

>>52374083
Life, Correspondance, Spirit, and Mind
Possible Prime as well

>>52374083
Not sure about the Spheres in Ascension, but Awakening has various ways.

The absolute best way (and the most hilarious) would be to flat-out make a legitimate Arcanine template using Archmastery. Excisions/Entities specifically works as such.

But why stop there?
#PokémonTheCapturing.

>>52367175
>>52366675
>>52366603
>>52365790
I know I'm late to the party, but is it bad that I want a Chapter Master style thread about this?

>>52374219
>>52374227
It is the right of mages to play Pokemon using lesser splats

>>52374307
It is how the Archmages settle their disputes and violations.
Such is the horror of the Pax Arcanum.

>>52374227
>>52374307
Pokerole is actually a game, not a good game but still, Storyteller Pokemon

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>>52362201
>what about taste? Do vampires taste or smell anything but blood?

They can taste stuff, but unless they have the "Eat Food" merit it will all just taste like different kinds of crap... and if you try to swallow anything besides blood, it'll come right back up immediately, of course.

Eat Food (1 Point merit) lets you not only eat food, but it also lets you savour the taste of it.

Smell works a bit differently, since they seem perfectly capable of differentiating good smells from bad smells.

>>52357442
>In VTM, can vampires smoke?

Yes, though they have to be careful: they're basically walking piles of kindling, after all.

Some vamps smoke out of habit because they're still neonates and they did it while they were alive, and others make an effort to smoke in public because it helps sell the illusion that they're still mortal (many vampires forget to breathe, which can be an easy thing for hunters to spot, especially in winter: smoking helps disguise this fact).

And lastly, some vampires smoke because they think it helps them look cool and in-control to other vampires. And considering how fearful vamps are of fire in general, it's sometimes even true.

>>52374865
Heh I have npc in VtR whose Nosferatu curse displays as smell of rotting stuff and tires to mask it with cheapest smelliest cigarettes with he smokes all the time

>>52374865
Don't underestimate the usefulness of cigarettes as an excuse.
Asking someone for a light is an almost universal method to get close to someone without needing any setup or excuses, because even people who don't smoke sometimes carry a lighter.
Hanging around in dark alleys or in places you're not entirely supposed to be is a lot more suspicious if you're doing nothing or checking your phone than if you're just smoking a cigarette.
Being a smoker, I know that one of the reasons people smoke is to get five-ten free minutes - surprisingly few people will bother you when you're just standing around having a fag.

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>>52366603
>not taking Teacher's Pet because your confidence/faith/power/love increases everytime she praises you

COME ON SON

>>52367730
>since there is record of Jo stating she doesn't want RPGs anywhere near her franchise.
What?! When and why would she say this? I mean it's obvious since there is no HP RPG, but I'm curious about this.

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>>52368501
>>52368546
I heard of some of these issues, especially the cannibal or snuff whatever tranny Trump hating vampire, but wasn't the Mage story even worse received? From what I was able to gather and watch, it was LITERALLY "a social justice warrior awakens as a mage and has to decide whether to be with the evil white male Technocracy or the good, noble, kind wizard refugees, while having a literal mental safe space"? I mean I guess both sound terrible, but I'm guessing you lot hated the Vampire one worse?

>>52372665
What's sad is that applies to Vampire too. Or if you're early enough in your unlife, you can see mommy but never talk to her again. Get fed by her ever again. Get hugged by her ever again.

;______;

>>52375276
There's nothing more satisfying than the sight of a vampire crying red tears of "woe is me"

Pretentious and dramatic leeches, them.

>>52375327
Hey now, vampires have feelings and are full of emotion. They don't understand why mages have to be so cruel and bully them all the time. Moros would make the perfect drinking buddies.

>>52375416
To be honest I would imagine most vampires in reality would act like those in What we do in the shadows. Because if you take cues from Only Lovers Left Alive or Interview wyith Vampire you should just face the sun and spare your everyone your moaning

>>52368501
>game was blasted up the ass, both here and on other forums, for shoving the author's politics in the audience's faces as well as just general shitty writing

Is that the usual critique to all WoD games this days?

>>52368546
>Hell, his involvement with WW (he's going to be writing for them for V5!) got David Hill to quit writing for OPP.

Ding Dong the witch is dead, etc etc.

>>52375276
>white male Technocracy

Oh god, i always though the technocracy person was a woman, the fuck.

>While having a literal mental safe space"?

I dont know how safe the whole "quiet" parts, in mine i ate an eyeball so YMMV.

>>52368163
I guess it refers to Kindred of the East.

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>>52375327
Is it? I mean I can understand if it's some hambeast Toreador in your group who is doing it to sound pretentious and make """"good"""" story, but if you got a really, like REALLY emotional scene going in your game, wouldn't it be appropriate to have your PC cry? I mean, especially if you're a neonate, when you finally break down, I think it'd be underselling the impact of something, a scene, right? I mean isn't that the point, to roleplay? I get if one's doing an awesome/funny game, but to make a really effective one, even that has to vary the tone, I would think. There's gotta be nights where you wake up and wonder when was it that you became a monster?

>>52375848
How bad is it in general with the modern games? I mean I got VtM 20th, and it was bretty nice all things considered, nothing overt or even covert. I mean I'm inured in general to leftist talking points in media, but I didn't see anything super overt, and if it was, it's usually more just that particular vampire's feelings than the authors. Then again I don't have that many books, so I can't really say much.

>>52376380
Regarding the shitty writing with some of the newer books I would sorta agree. From CofD perspective:
Beast has some good stuff but it's marred in all kinds of stupid shit and parts of it could have been written into existing lines like changeling and vampire that already share some themes.
Secrets of the Covenant was poor for me due to it being collection of meh stories and opposite of what I would like to see personally.
Hurt Locker is uneven both in writing and rules department. Some stuff is fun but there are also ridiculous bits here and there.
On the other hand entire Demon the Descent line is fuckin golden IMHO.

>>52366603
You know you can't post something beautiful like that and stop. Better post more oneesama vampires if you know what's good for you.

>This section isn’t intended to be the sort of “reskinning” where we add a layer to the ur-mythology, imply that everybody else knows better and move on. How do we really know there are Supernal Realms? How is a place with no relationship in space with our world, and no way to objectively measure, said to truly exist outside of a reaction to some profound mystical experience? The Shona method is reductive and conservative, recognizing states of being without turning them into enormous invisible kingdoms.

Diamond BTFO. Shona probably are closest to the idea of a signal

>>52375276
I haven't seen much discussion about the mage one, to be honest. What little I have seen though, the mage one seemed to be more well-received because it WASN'T written like a trainwreck. I think the most controversial thing that I recall hearing about it was that it was set against the backdrop of the Syrian refugee crisis in a European country.

>>52375188
It'd be more effort to dig up the article than I care to do, but she stated it in an interview a long time ago; apparently she and the company that owns the movie rights for it was approached and were told 'no' in no uncertain terms.

Has anyone shared Conquering Heroes yet

>>52376380
A lot of the blasted up the ass for recent games is coming from the awfulness of the content. THere's a huge mix of good and bad. Secrets of the Covenants, which was in development for like 2 years? Was a fiction book, told from the in world perspectives of PCs within the covenants (or in the carthians case, a fucking 'zine like an 80s underground culture) instead of expanding on the Covenants and their changes from the 2e corebook ala the old Clanbooks, and the powers seem to have not bene playtested. Everything is wildly hit or miss; you'll get one good book, then you'll get shit like 'dickegg caviar and allies 5 (internet trolls) and beasts sank the titanic' like Conquering Heroes, or M20 in it's entirety (missing sections because of wordcount, but sidebars about 'you're a bad person if a gay character bothers you' or a sidebar about playing evil makes you evil in real life or FATHERS THRUSTING COCK or a half-page on eating local and making things like a haunch of venison for game' while leaving out mechanics. For every GOOD thing we get, we get three terrible ones.

>>52377268
Go to 7chan.

>>52368860
Mind screen shoting pages 44-47 of companions?

>>52368860
>so if the Cabal doesn't mind attempting to learn terrible and forbidden arts with a power source that they can't wield as comfortably as Mana, they've got an in.

Sounds like a quality mage bad decision to me.

>>52365633
>>52365790
>>52366001
>>52366603
I wonder if path-agnostic mage system (wherein this school could happen) is a possible future of Awakening. Like the setting takes place in the future, after one of the groups out to awaken the populace and bring humanity to the next level *actually succeeds to some degree*.

>>52376832
It has an artist and address printed on it, you can check if they drew others if you want.

What arcana level if I want to prevent the eruption of a supervolcano (like yellowstone)?

>>52378347
Forces 5 by default

Forces 2, Time 3 will let you freeze the eruption

Forces 2, Matter 3 will let you supercool the magma into earth

>>52357038
>Question:
Which of the WoD games have you always wanted to play, but never had the opportunity to do so and why?

Wraith. The concept intrigues me, but the whole Shadow thing seems like it would make it almost unplayable.

>>52357038
>>Question:
>Which of the WoD games have you always wanted to play, but never had the opportunity to do so and why?

Slasher.

No one wants to play Friday the 13th : MAGE HEROIN edition.

>>52378485
I've given it a spin, and you must have some nasty experiences if you think the Shadow mechanic is going to make it unplayable.
If you're really so afraid of your fellow players being assholes that you don't trust them to act out your Shadow (in which case you should stop letting people step all over you and leave the group - no group is better than being the doormat of a bad one), the GM can do it.
There are clear guidelines and rules on playing and acting out the Shadow in the books, and they're balanced so that the Shadow can't actually railroad you that much, and sure as hell not without adequate warning. It's a way to give a voice to something that could otherwise either be just another NPC or an absurdly powerful railroading device, and I think it's done well enough.
The Shadow is mostly a voice and only that, with some tools to create challenges but not actually force you into decisions or cause you to commit direct or indirect suicide.
If you haven't read the book and think it's a railroading tool that makes the game unplayable, you listen to sore-loser retards who can't take not being omnipotent and unlimited by silly things such as setting and character.
If you drew that conclusion yourself, you're a Grade-A mongoloid and should be chained naked in a Broken Mirror in central Bangkok.

>>52360068
>>52360094
>>52363076
At least name it Avenant instead of Gaston

What would be better for a starting character in Mage: The Awakening 1e?

Fate 3, Space 2, Time 1
or
Fate 3, Time 2, Space 1

>>52378698
no go cry into a tea cup literature degree failure. Your degree is worthless and you wasted 6 years hiding in a library away from the world

>>52357038

I just now noticed that, in the stack of books in the bottom corner, there's a book labeled "Thai Cuisine". Never knew it was satanic.

>>52362186

This seems par for the course for a White Wolf game. Times are changing, jump on or kill yourself.

>Duat is unknown to the Mutapa Kingdom’s people. Some mages might call Duat a “Lower Depth,” but the term is a label for regions so poorly understood that it might as well be an admission of ignorance.

Mages: "Fuck it man, we'll figure it out later."

>>52379613
Moros "Duat, uh, it's either a localized ghost court or general term for the twilight, uh fuck I dont' know"
and then the acanthus says "Fuck it we'll fix it in Post"

>>52379863
>"Fuck it we'll fix it in Post"

This should be the path's motto honestly. Now do one for all the others

>The Arisen appear alive to Life Sight and spells, and deceased to Death. Using these Arcana together reveals both characteristics simultaneously, but from a common source: a characteristic that defies Awakened understanding, which typically separates them into opposing Supernal sources. Furthermore, mages sense a vast, alien purpose behind the Arisen. They see shadows of ancient gods and dream of bizarre hieroglyphs.

What does this Mystery mean

>>52379914
Acanthus "Fuck it we'll fix it in Post"
Moros "Fuck it we'll just fix the negative"
Mastigos "I'll just get him to fuck it"
Thyrsus "Just Fuck it"
Obrimos "Fuck your spell"

>>52379991
Throws in Time to get the sinusoidal nature. Its a living dead entity with a binary living-dead state that gets flipped when a metaphysical alarm bell rings.

>>52380026
Wouldn't Obrimos be "Fuck yours got mine" ?

>>52379991
I can't say. Screen shot the page so we can look. Or share the whole pdf.

>>52371803
I dont think that is much of a risk if he is essence 5. Given Integrity charms letting him resist even the most powerful curses and his awareness letting him be aware of the best of sneak attacks. Also he could kill spirits permanently.

>>52380223
That'd be more of a good motto for the Seers.

>>52380223
>"Fuck yours got mine" ?
nah that's universal to all mages. more focused in the seers, but generally applicable

>>52380251
Yeah guess that is true.
How about Scelesti, Banishers and Tremere

What's the best build to 9/11 a plane into a building and not die only using 1 and 2 dot Arcana? I'm currently thinking a blank badge with at least 2 dots of forces for the ease of slipping things past security, but I'm not sure how to survive crashing a plane into a building.

>>52377268
>Has anyone shared Conquering Heroes yet

Here's Conquering Heroes and the Hunter supplement.

https://www.sendspace.com/filegroup/36Q1TXsxc5kqbSmbbxMGpQ


Now, is anyone willing to share Dark Eras Companion, please?

>>52380712
You are to good for this thread. No one is going to share Dark Era Companion. Not even share screen shots.

>>52380528

Forces 2. Easily control the electronic flight system to direct the plane into a building, and then harmlessly jump out using a Shielding spell against gravity.

Also, expect that you will NOT be popular among your fellow Obrimos.

>>52380759
>Also, expect that you will NOT be popular among your fellow Obrimos.
Those Order swine are little better than the Seers.

>Forces 2. Easily control the electronic flight system to direct the plane into a building, and then harmlessly jump out using a Shielding spell against gravity.
I forgot to mention I'm stucking using 1e spell casting. Isn't gravity one of those stupid hurdles you can't do shit with?

>>52380751

The Dark Eras Companion will be shared. We might just have to wait for its general release, rather than rely on a share from a Kickstarter backer.

However, I am surprised we haven't seen any screenshots.

>>52379991

It means some poor Mage is going to stumble on the Judges and get yelled at by the terrifying looking big fish of a small pond.

So what's everyone's thoughts on how the Shona approach the Awakening cosmology? One person in my group flat out hates it, I think it's all right.

>>52380528
Matter 1 to control that plane from the safety of the ground. Remote control Rote is all you need.

>>52380791
>I'm stucking using 1e spell casting. Isn't gravity one of those stupid hurdles you can't do shit with?

Sorry, gravity control is indeed limited to higher dot levels in Mage 1e.

>2e Supremacy!

>>52380799
>So what's everyone's thoughts on how the Shona approach the Awakening cosmology?

I, and I assume many other Anons, would be happy to opine on the topic if only you shared Dark Eras Companion.

>>52380521
Tremere "Fuck girl thats a nice soul you got there"
Scelesti "When everything is Fucked, all will be enlightened"
Banishers "Fuck your watchtower"

>>52372542
desu as a mage player I agree; the other gamelines are fun by themselves, I don't want mages to ruin it.

>Roanoke Dark Era treats the Horsemen as real setting figures

Well, I'm sure Aspel will be happy, pretty sure that was on of their top Geist 2e wants.

>>52381025
Ech my VtR players are pestering me to run mage for them but I have no idea what to do with it. To be honest I mostly like reading mage for fluff but this board has probably ruined it for me

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>>52381143
>VtR
>having players

>>52381143
Since I primarily play in a Seer game in nWoD, I've reached a level of zen acceptance of everything.

>fuck immigrants
>fuck natives
>fuck the government
>fuck anarchists
>fuck you
>got mine
>Pylon is composed of Praetorian Voice, Panopticon Hoplite (this is me) and Mammon Dominus
>Game is in Mexico

https://anonfile.com/o688y6b9b6/CofD_Dark_Eras_Companion.pdf

Here you go, people.

>>52381290
3 of them after VtM orphan went to cry in his corner

>>52381316
This sounds pretty great but how is that you guys didn't backstab each other to death

>>52381316
Your character sounds like the exact kind of character my character wants to 9/11.

>>52357038
>Thai Cuisine

Can somebody explain the joke?

>>52381409
>This sounds pretty great but how is that you guys didn't backstab each other to death
By the constant and very deliberate, polite delusion that I don't have perfect Sympathy to both of them all the time and murder them in their sleep.

>>52381451
>Yes officer, I'm sure! They have books about demons and sorcery. I bet they're not even interested in good ol' American apple pie!

Or something like that.

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>>52381421
My character is a CIA agent stationed in Mexico who Awakened to the Truth that there are no nations; only layers of pretension that we use to hide from the Eye - she's a sort of woman in black type who keeps watch on everything and politely pretends she isn't the one holding the true power in the room.

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>>52381384
You are a scholar-prince among gentlemen, Anon!

>>52381618
I only did it to see this thread tear itself apart when there's an offset box about privilege. It is actually a really useful bit about making clear the differences in the chapter from the Mage core not meaning either is more right or wrong, but it literally calls out privilege in the title of it.

Also I want someone to talk about Roman werewolves and Alexandran mummy with

>>52381597
What show or movie is that pic from? I saw it was also headlining the /srg/ lately. She's a qt3.14

>>52381597
I have recurring praetorian seer npc in my VtR game who used to be member of political police shortly before fall of Eastern Block and then made smooth transition to police.

>>52381695
Your reasons are petty and selfish. And we love you for it. What page it privilege part I need to see this.

>>52381529
Thai cuisine was (and some places still is) infamous in geek culture.
For some reason, every remotely nerdy type on the planet seems to like cheap Asian food.

>>52382093
>cheap Asian food
>cheap

No way!

>>52381989
127

So how badly do mages bully mummies in the Companion? I heard that they can fuck with Pillars.

>>52367610
>vegan vampire who only drinks from people who are vegan
First time I read about this one. If it has more funny stuff as this one, I might be bothered to actually pirate that shit.

>>52367984
>Ashwood Abbey had the same idea, except they were going to grind it up and mix it with cocaine.
That sounds like great idea, I like how your Storyteller thinks.

>>52368546
>David Hill to quit writing for OPP
Like they say, there is some good in every bad thing.

>>52380712
>>52381384
Sweet, thank both of you.

>>52382247
>"haha get fucked pillar points"
>lol rebuke the vizier

>>52382160
I see nothing wrong with this. The watch towers are a Lie.

>>52382368
>rebuke the vizier
>lolnope prime

>>52382310
He's still writing for Onyx Path. Just not as a developer.

>>52382415

>>52382368
>>52382378

You both still need Clash of Wills, dorks.

The Mana/Pillar exchange goes two ways, it's hardly bullying. The most significant change is that now Clash of Wills is mandatory for a lot of cross splat attacks, and Mages/Mummies explicitly can't fuck with Sekhem/Gnosis the power stat directly (indirectly is fine).

>>52382533
Also mummies are proof against the Soulless condition since their entire existence and powers work on their soul being this ultra special one that has been as ritually modified as their bodies. If you could rip an Arisen soul out you beat them more effectively than throwing their body and jars into lava.

>>52382558

There's also the fact that a Mage can never, ever use Mind to raise a Mummy's Memory, because a Mummy's unrecovered memories are literally not in their mind at all.

Some unsuspecting Mage is going to get wrapped the fuck up in frustrating weirdness if they end up pursuing the Arisen condition as their Mystery.

>>52382652
I bet an Archmaster of Mind could do it!

>"nuh uh!"

>>52382533
Good thing mages have the equivalent of six pack abs when it comes to Willpower.

>>52382679

If they can find where the Mummy memories are being stored, sure, but I can't imagine an Archmage bothering to care about something that only affects a couple hundred beings in the planet.

>>52382795

Even then, the Mage can't actually use the Pillar without putting it in something else. It's not really a game changer.

>>52382533
>The most significant change is that now Clash of Wills is mandatory for a lot of cross splat attacks

What do you mean by this exactly? What has changed pertaining to crossover?

>>52380712
Hunter supplement:
>You know how much money goes into giving wealthy old
>white men boners? If you install the right Beast’s gland in the
>right place, you’ll give him the hard-on of a lifetime, a fuckstick
>so hard you could use to chop down a tree if that’s what you’re
>into (and some of them are; don’t judge). The implant alone
>nets a cool two million. Then there are the installation and
>inpatient charges. You give him a month of physical therapy
>to deal with his new bonkmaker and by the time he’s ready to
>ram, you’ve doubled that bill. Then you give him a couple of
>weeks to notice the implant rejection. He tells himself he can
>do without, that he’ll get better and that he doesn’t really need
>to nail Ivanka. But he’s lying to himself. Two more weeks pass,
>and he’s forcing a no-limit Black Centurion Card into your
>hand with his sweaty, sticky, little hands, and he begs you for
>the anti-rejection serum.
That's pretty gross. One would think they are mature enough not to insert their complexes into everything. And I say it as someone who isn't Trump fan.

>>52382533
That reminds me, have you noticed, that Clash of Wills is actually one of things Mages aren't good in? It's based on Arcana dots which normally cap at 5, there are 8 types of them compared to say prommies who use always resistance trait. At the same time I don't remember Mages having any specialities which would give you rote action on CoW or penalty to your opponent as have sometimes other splats. The Duration part is probably disadvantage too, because lots of powers of other splats have unlimited duration by default at no additional cost.

>>52382944

Mummy has a lot of "no resistance roll" powers that are fine for the splat and less fine for crossover games. So, the crossover rules made explicit what most people already assumed: Clash of Wills is going to be very important.

>>52382971
beasts are nothing more than Viagra pills deal with it

>>52382971
>That reminds me, have you noticed, that Clash of Wills is actually one of things Mages aren't good in?

Evidently false.

>>52383052
Mummy is 1e so it isn't really surprising.

>>52383137
>Evidently false.
Mind sharing that "evidence"?

>>52383137
>confusing variety with applicability

>>52382971
Clash of Wills is Gnosis + Arcanum

An increased duration spells further provide CoW bonuses.

>>52382971
Mages are arguably the best when it comes to Clashing, anon.

The fact that Archmasters automatically succeed on all CoW is just the cherry on the already heavily iced cake.

>>52383238
Everyone knows that. What are you trying to say by that?

>>52383293
I already addressed that.
>The Duration part is probably disadvantage too, because lots of powers of other splats have unlimited duration by default at no additional cost.

Duration is hardly disadvantageous when it comes to CoW

>>52383479
He means a disadvantage because mages have to pay for it with the spell casting and mummies get free infinite duration effects.

>>52383479
>>52383293
>samefag