Pathfinder General /pfg/

tips for first time dm?

>>52344504
Ignore all other tips from /pfg/ than this

>>52344504
Communicate with your players

>>52344563
solid tip.
>>52344565
ignored!

>>52344504
Fuck your players over every chance you can. Assert your dominance

>>52344504
talking with your players solves 95% of the problems, the remaining 5% of people are shit and aren't worth your time

>>52344571
oh

>>52344504

Talk with your players. On a regular basis. After every session, try to get some thoughts on where things are going, and don't be afraid to pause up and talk something out if things are getting out of hand.

Big singular boss fights are thematically appealing but a trap. A smaller boss monster with some minions will always be a more dynamic and interesting challenge for your players than one big monster to beat down.

The solution your players find to problems you pose will almost never be the one you intended. Work with this when possible but know when to put your foot down.

>>52344565
>>52344572
>>52344576
sounds like some kinky shit.

>>52344414

I like how Mephistophelian is slowly entering common usage.

pld more like please leave, dm!

>>52344595
wouldn't it be faustian

>>52344595
Now if only people knew how it was spelled

And using an esoteric word, no matter how accurate, is probably the source of Vults headache

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Don't take the bait anons. Mister Rogers knows you're better than that.

Optimization question:

My fellow lewd players seem to be into furry transformation shit.

Should I give my character a nonhuman penis? If so, what kind?

Or if human penis, cut or uncut?

>>52344623
Knots my dude

>>52344611
Vult's real headache is that he's a shitbag.

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I have with me yet another 6th-level Spheres of Might build. I would appreciate it if someone was to check it for errors.

Unlike my charger build here >>52327660 and my unarmed build here >>52326072, this is not a Small-sized tiefling on a vulture, nor is it an "all day" build. Instead, it is a "nova" build, one intended to completely blow apart major enemies every few days. It is still perfectly serviceable even without "going nova," however, thanks to a hybridization funnel.

How powerful is this "nova"? 6d6+10 (average 31) × 9 acid damage in a 15-foot radius, then half that much damage 5 feet past that radius, and then 6 × 9 acid damage another 5 feet away.

Against enemies without acid resistance, this produces 279 acid damage in the central 15-foot radius, enough to kill average CR 17s: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1E2-s8weiulPoBQjdI05LBzOUToyoZIdSsLKxHAvf8F8/edit#gid=3

Against enemies with acid resistance 10, this deals 189 damage in the central 15-foot radius, enough to slay average CR 13s.

Also:
>Targets who take at least 2 points of acid damage from the initial attack take half the total damage again on the following round.

Therefore, this can actually take out a 15-foot radius of CR 22s without acid resistance, or a 15-foot radius of CR 17s with acid resistance 10, if the character is willing to endure a one-round delay.

This costs three focusing flasks each time, however. Even with a variety of crafting discounts, this can be inconvenient. Fortunately, the build can settle for hybridization funnels otherwise.

Level: 6th
Race: Human (heart of the fields)
Class: Blacksmith 5/alchemist (mortal chemist) 1
Ability Scores (20 point buy): Strength 7, Dexterity 16, Constitution 14, Intelligence 17+2+1+2, Wisdom 14, Charisma 7
Traits: Clever Wordplay (social), Reactionary (combat), Spark of Creation (magic), drawback of choice

>>52344623
Whatever your partner of the minute prefers. Duh. Don't be a stick in the mud. Be the dick in THEIR mud.

>>52344607

Nah, they're different.

Faustian is violating your ethical or moral boundaries for a temporary boon that bites you in the ass.

Mephistophelian is describing something as appearing beneficial, but filled with tricks and traps to fuck you over.

Faustian is using a monkey's paw. Mephistophelian IS the monkey's paw.

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>>52344644

Equipment Discounts: Craft Wondrous Item feat, Craft Magic Arms and Armor feat, Brew Potion feat, Spark of Creation trait, economic crafting smithing insight
Key Equipment: Headband of vast intelligence +2 (4,000 gp) cauldron of brewing (3,000 gp), +1 agile breastplate (1,550 gp), +1 darkwood heavy shield (1,257 gp), muleback cords (1,000 gp), cracked dusty rose prism ioun stone (500 gp), traveler's any-tool (250 gp), hybridization funnel (200 gp)
Consumables: Focusing flask (700 gp market price each, but can be mitigated with crafting discounts)

Feats:
Human Bonus: Focused Sphere (Alchemy)
1st-level: Magnum Opus
3rd-level: Deific Obedience (Shelyn)
5th-level: Extra Combat Talent

Smithing Insights: Economic crafting, shieldsmith

Combat Talents: 11 = 2 base + 5 blacksmith + 1 equipment specialist + 2 alchemical expertise + 1 Extra Combat Talent
Alchemy (Formulae package, 1 formula free; Poison package, 1 poison free): Cluster Toss, Improved Acid Flasks, Improved Alchemist Fire, Improved Bottled Lightning, Improved Flash Powder, Improved Fuse Grenade, Salve, King's Sleep
Barrage (Imprecise Shooter drawback, 1 free): Stand and Shoot
Equipment (1 free): Armor Training, Distance Shot

Craft (alchemy):
6 ranks
+6 Intelligence modifier
+3 class skill
+3 racial from human's heart of the fields
+1 trait from Spark of Creation
+4 sacred from Deific Obedience (Shelyn)
+2 circumstance from traveler's any-tool
+5 competence from cauldron of brewing
Total: +30, take 15 with Magnum Opus for 45, enough for three upgrades on Improved Acid Flasks

Initiative
3 Dexterity modifier
+2 trait from Reactionary
+1 competence from cracked dusty rose prism ioun stone
Total: +6

Range increment:
10 splash weapon
+30 Distance Shot
Total: 40 feet

Attack bonus with splash weapon out to second range increment (45 to 80 feet):
5 BAB
+3 Dexterity modifier
+1 Throw Anything
-2 range increment
-2 Barrage
Total: +5, or +3 for the two throws with Cluster Toss

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>>52344658

Damage for Improved Acid Flasks:
4d6 base with Craft (alchemy) ranks
+2d6 Alchemy dedication
+6 Intelligence modifier from alchemist
+4 sharpen weapons
Total: 6d6+10 (average 31)

Each Improved Acid Flask costs 0 gp to make, and, with the Equipment sphere dedication, only 7.5 minutes to create (3.75 minutes with an alchemist's lab). The character loads up a total of nine Improved Acid Flasks in three focusing flasks.

During a long rest, the character uses the sharpen weapons maintenance, giving the entire party a +4 untyped bonus to all damage rolls made with manufactured weapons. Yes, even if someone in the party picks up a weapon from elsewhere; the blacksmith is just that good.

The character enters dangerous areas with one focusing flask in their off-hand. When combat starts, the character uses Cluster Toss to draw and throw two focusing flasks, then Barrage to throw the third flask with their off-hand (this does not actually use the two-weapon fighting rules). The character targets a single grid intersection, which is only AC 5, and will thus miss only on a natural 2+, even if they are throwing out to 80 feet.

The result is a deadly blossom of unavoidable acid damage, no saving throw required.

Focusing flasks, hybridization funnels, the Barrage sphere, and, just to be safe, the Sniping sphere, should all be rendered incompatible with Alchemy.

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>>52344623
>Should I give my character a nonhuman penis? If so, what kind?

That honestly depends on the race, background and mannerisms of your character.

This is the part where you answer.

>>52344648

So you think it's better if I just ask when doing fade to black stuff postsession?

My issue comes in that when characters share or talk about his dick that it will be inconsistent if I change it up.

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>>52344654

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So! Who all's excited for the weekend? Any big plans, game-related or otherwise?

>>52344644
That's fucking hilarious.

>>52344668

NOOOO I'M TOO BASHFUL


And that's probably enough to tip people off.

But seriously, normal human character

>>52344686
>But seriously, normal human character

Then... Why would you have a non-human penis?

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>>52344686
Normal human donger then.

Uncut is legit the best. Anyone who says otherwise is pic related

Induring threadban

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Rolled 10 (1d10)

>>52344220
Almost all apps have been heavily modified, and there's been setting changes (mostly the NPC stories) since I reviewed them so the results aren't too accurate.

>>52344299
It's true, I'm not exactly peer-reviewed or anything. Everyone who tries is a winner!

>>52342309
Next in the hotseat, Grandis Gracea, Paladin of the Shepherd, normie reeee!
Image unrelated since they didn't have one.


Actually, nothing against normal roll20 players, but it's personally annoying that a lot of them don't structure their apps, and invariably say how long they've been playing various games as a benefit. Perhaps I'm jaded but I haven't been able to use how long someone's been playing as any kind of measure. People can be new and be great, and more importantly can be terrible at playing for years and never change.

But, onto the app!

>A girl who once looked after a broken down order found a village burnt down due to tome monsters
>because the village was burnt the order just disbands
>wtf I hate tome monsters now

It's short, and honestly not too compelling. The lack of structure and the whole app melding together really makes it hard to judge well, though it does sound like she's willing to change it and it's more a springboard for the GM to make changes for it. If expanded on it could show more potential.

THE GOOD: It's... still under construction. There's, uh, room for improvement?

THE BAD: Yeah, not going to lie, there's not enough here to review well.

>>52344679

I'm so excited! Tonight I'm going to a fish fry as part of Lent, then I'm going to be playing and eating out *all* weekend!

>>52344697

Everyone else is talking about transformation shit, I dunno, I just wanna satisfy my partners even if it ain't my cup of jizz

give us the wild west reviews

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>>52344707


>Appeal: 2/5 Brought up to be a good person, decides to go on revenge. No actual information on personality or what Grandis is like.
>Backstory: 3/5 The applicant has clearly read up on the setting and put in some interesting plot hooks, but it feels very weak narratively for driving the character's motivations.
>Compatibility: 2/5 Without a sheet, can't say much.
>Setting accuracy 3/5 See above. Expounds on some of the stuff with Amubari, which no-one else has really touched.
>Sexual potential: 2/5 No description, it's an unknown. Can't rate it well, but it's unlikely to be a complete turnoff.

DEAD RELATIVES COUNT: 0 All alive and accounted for.

THINGS TO LOOK AT: Elizabeth really needs to just complete the app with more confidence and not rely on Vult to assist. Structuring it would help a lot, too.

APP UP NEXT: Amber, the Forgotten

I keep rolling high. I wish I could do this during my actual games.

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>>52344715

You know... This might just be me, but I don't think they want *you* to transform, *they* want to transform.

>>52344720
not enough apps up yet

MORE APPS

>>52344727

Honestly maybe you're right, it just freaks me out that people seem to be so into pseudo-furry stuff becausr muh monstergirls in the past few years while I still ascribe to "if it has a snout, throw it out"

>>52344725
>Companion to the lonely 4.png
>4
W-where's 1 through 3?

>>52344662

I like the idea of the blacksmith's maintenance, but I feel like they're probably going to have to halve the boost from sharpen weapons or something. A bardic performance can already be a pretty aces damage boost and that has a resource expenditure involved.

I like the concept of the blacksmith a lot but I think it probably needs a BAB downgrade (which makes sense to me since it's an expert that became a badass) and something done about sharpen weapons so that you can focus on the other neat stuff maintenance can do for the party.

I think maintenance is a great idea, again, and I'm surprised nobody's come up with something like that before, but right now Sharpen Weapons is just very much the obvious thing to take and part of the problem is doing damage isn't really a place martials need help. More done about "magic is much better at literally everything else except damage-dealing and even then it's close at times" is what we need.

With that in mind, I do think it might behoove the SoM guys to add some more out of combat stuff to some of the spheres. I did like that the barroom sphere gives you some skill tricks to go with the improvised weapon stuff.

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>>52344476
>Licking leather gloves

>>52344745
Well if we're in the same game I'd want you to be comfortable and yourself. It's no fun forcing yourself to RP a scene you don't enjoy or aren't comfortable with because you want to satisfy your partner. I feel it lowers the quality overall cause you're not actually giving it your all.
t. someone who did a noncon scene who doesn't like noncon but my partner does

>>52344707
What do you feel have been the setting changes from NPC stories that will make the biggest changes in the app backgrounds?

>>52344777
She's not wearing gloves....

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>>52344775

I would like to point out that all three of my optimized 6th-level builds so far have had five levels in blacksmith, simply for the crafting benefits and the passive upgrades.

The blacksmith is simply too overloaded a class.

It is particularly bizarre how the blacksmith's maintenances apply even if allies go completely naked for some reason, and how sharpen weapons applies even to new weapons that the blacksmith's party picks up. "Maintenance" is more of an (Ex) aura of inexplicable arete.

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>still no cow-girls or guys for WWW
>but we have a fucking bug person

I've been gone for a long time.

Can someone explain to me what the fuck is going on? Where are all the lewds coming from and what's the deal with apps and puella?

>>52344858
Are there cowfolks in WWW? I thought that was Blood Mountain?

>>52344813
Looks like it.

>>52344858

What do you have against bug people?

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>>52344867

Sex talk was normalized by RotJR and since we can't keep it in our pants, we've just continued to talk about it ever since.

>>52344870

Yes, the Minos.

>>52344856
>"Maintenance" is more of an (Ex) aura of inexplicable arete.

While the bonuses it provides are too good, I like that idea on its own - the concept you're so good on the job that by the time any ally thinks of using a weapon, you've already sharpened it. It's the sort of thing martials conceptually need to take them out of mundanity.

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>>52344888

Bear in mind that it applies even to unarmed attacks (both natural and manufactured, I believe) and alchemical splash weapons, for some bizarre reason.

Granted, this is probably a good idea (and even better if it was to apply to natural weapons too), because you would not want to screw anyone in the party out of a weapon damage bonus. Still, it could stand to be flavored more intuitively.

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>>52344793

>What do you feel have been the setting changes from NPC stories that will make the biggest changes in the app backgrounds?
Melra, Vampire of war - > Nightwalkers who get overcorrupted may lose senses of morality, but are still intelligent and perfectly capable of recovering somewhat from mindbreak.

Robert Renfield - > Tome manifestations don't always reach full maturity and "zombies are everywhere and eating people's brains", they can end even with the person using the tome intact and alive. But they *also* give actual (corrupted) power and allows it to be used, if you don't mind it making a big mess.

>>52344752
See attached.

>>52344858
Look a Minos was my second idea okay? I just liked the character concept behind Britt more. Geez.

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>>52344915

>>52344856

I think some of that should be fine. Pathfinder only benefits from embracing the "just that good" effect a little more and remembering that (Ex) does not necessarily mean you need to be able to do it in real life with real people. Acceptable breaks from reality in the name of smoother gameplay are fine.

Making the class less overloaded, I agree with, but I feel that once Sharpen Weapons is less of a must-have maintenance is a good thing.

I personally believe in separate spheres (heh) for what martials and mages can do, but buffing is one of the things I think they should both be capable of.

Although I might end up reiterating one of your points to Sslarn at some point because I think mass transport over exceedingly long distances is one of those things that only makes sense as a magical ability. I like the finding secret passages aspect of it but that needs some major tuning.

>>52344867
1) someone ran a game where erp and cocktease was encouraged and it opened the floodgates and now we're at monster rape: the rapening.

2) For some reason, people feel the need to constantly post their r20 apps in this thread, usually accompanied by 'I want to lewd X other character!'.

3) Puella is a game where people get raped and turned into monsters. That's really all you need to know.

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>>52344937
I can't be your personal milkboy. Sorry.

>>52344880
the fact that its a Tiefling is actually what weirds me out

>>52344881
I've been trying to figure out what RotJR is from context/google and can't figure out shit. Can someone give me a brief explanation?

I feel like I walked into the wrong locker room and no one noticed but there isn't a right one to go to instead.

>>52344999
rise of the jade regent, someone mashing together rise of the runelords and jade regent.

I am certain other people will tell you, in great detail, all about the characters.

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>>52344984

>>52344999

RotJR is a campaign which uses the first book of Rise of the Runelords followed by the entirety of Jade Regent. It was advertised extensively on /pfg/ and eventually became a self-sustaining meme due to the large number of character applications and a very, very long application window (3 months.)

The reason this normalized "lewd" discussion is due to the large amount of "shipping" that was done over the course of the application process, up to and including discussions on who had the biggest tits and how many babies some men could father.

>>52344993

Well, Pathfinder doesn't seem to have a whole lot of bug people as is. Perhaps they've just made do.

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>>52344476
Nothing. Your cause is hopeless.

>>52345053
WWW gm is open to homebrew though.

>>52344679
Tossing my previous app and writing an entirely new one all because I found a piece of character art on an old computer

I've been looking at the Bleed Air talent from the Duelist sphere. Something about it just bugs me.

I feel like sometimes it's going to be completely useless (roll a 4 on the onset time and the enemy's probably dead before the suffocation effect sets in, the enemy has a healing factor or spells) but other times when you get the 1 and the onset is next round your enemy could drop from literally hundreds of HP to dying immediately if they don't have healing abilities or ranks in the Heal Skill, which many monsters do not.

Powerful, but inconsistent in that sometimes using it is a waste of time and sometimes the GM stares in shock as your second attack asphyxiates something incredibly badass and brings the boss fight to a shattering halt. I'm not sure if or how it needs to be addressed, though.

>>52344913
How about this?
"The Blacksmith's intuitive understanding of each individual weapon is so good that they can give their allies advice on how to use them to their fullest potential by capitalizing on quirks like slightly uneven weight distribution, or air resistance. As long as the Blacksmith is conscious, any ally within 60ft that can understand them gets [bonuses]."

"Alternately, if a blacksmith spends a full round adjusting a manufactured weapon, any creature using that weapon gains these bonuses for X time regardless of the blacksmith's condition or location."

>>52345068

What's the pic, if you don't mind my asking?

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>>52344999
Burnt Offerings into the entirety of Jade Regent. It's a popular way to do things for whatever reason, but in THIS THREAD it (usually) refers to the MASSIVE CLUSTERFUCK of a game that a GM had said "hey imma run this in a few months, lewds allowed I guess. Anyone interested?". Cue like, 3-4 months of explosive shitposting, fanned by the creation of a fucking WAITING ROOM GROUP IN ROLL20 WHERE PEOPLE MADE CHARACTERS AND ASKED RULES QUESTIONS MONTHS IN ADVANCE. Things snowballed out of control and here we are.
Nice 9's, idiot.

>no Aeon or Psychopomp planetouched
>no Protean planetouched
>no Inevitable, Axiomite, or Formian planetouched
Get on the ball, Paizo. This is activating my autism.

>>52344858
Seeing as there are already at least three skill characters, one even with a blown out eye, I was looking at a Minos Antipaladin or Ranger who still holds a grudge against the human slavers.

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Does anyone have that 3pp book with all the monk archetypes converted for use with Unchained Monk? Was interested in seeing how it converted Martial Artist, but didn't see it in the trove. Unless I'm just retarded and didn't see it.

>>52345094
Ganzi are protean planetouched.

http://www.d20pfsrd.com/races/other-races/more-races/race-points-unknown/ganzi/

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>>52345074

I would have it be a 24-hour buff usable once per day, and I would call it "instruction."

It seems more fitting for the commander, however, particularly when it can benefit characters who are completely naked and attacking with unarmed strikes.

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>>52345080
Despite how edgy it looks, I plan to play him as an incredibly personable, fast-talking nice-guy who's only concealing his identity because shitty people his family pissed off are trying to kill him.
RIP polish paladin, you probably won't be missed by anyone but me

>>52345010
>>52345047
>>52345086

Well that's fucking weird. Are there loads of copy cat games springing up now or are people just doing this shit here just for fun now?

I can't imagine having to sort through all those fucking apps.

>>52345094
I could see these as aeon planetouched

http://www.d20pfsrd.com/races/other-races/more-races/race-points-unknown/astomoi/

>>52345206
People are adopting the long app format and shitposting but I wouldn't call them copycats.

>>52345206
The original GM had so many apps he took on TWO GROUPS AT ONCE. Other people saw how thirsty for games people were and started advertising other APs with similar chargen rules. Less copycat games, more "there was now precedent for it".

>>52345152
Got a name for the book so I don't have to guess?

>>52344662
The blacksmith SHOULD be just that good.

It's either that or you start having to create weapons by seducing young women.

>>52345225
I don't mean copy cat in a bad way, just doing the same thing since you now know it works/people are willing to do it, I guess.

>>52345253
I think I remembered why it's not in the trove, actually. Look at this cover.
http://paizo.com/products/btpy9dsh?Everyman-Unchained-Monk-Archetypes

>>52344623
mechanical.
you've lost your dick? you either get it back, or get a new one.

We can rebuild it. We have the technology. We can make it better than it was. Bigger. Faster. Stronger.

>>52345196
Better to just say that you sharpen the weapons but it's what grants the bonus. It's the feeling that you take care of their gear and confidence coming with it. Basically placebo. Not sure if that wouldn't require it to change to morale bonus.

>all these meme game apps and pcs
Well, in my game, that is actually happening in the real world, myself and my party are set to murder an entire underground hive of yuan-ti.
By murder, I mean get completely thrashed by them, and probably watch one of them (me) get mind controlled by the snakemen.

>>52345304
I have 1 and 2. You want both?

>>52344711
Is she hot?
You have pics?
Why can't she wash first though?

>>52345273
I understood that reference

>>52345331
Not him, but I'll take them

>>52345344
I never did get around to finishing Thousand Arms. I wonder if my old PS1 still works.

>>52345304
>augunas

reeeeEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

>>52345326
How does a blacksmith sharpen a monk's... nothing?

>>52345331
Also not him, but i'll take them too.

>>52345328
Mine also went underground to try and retrieve our sand skiff from a bunch of mutated scorpion people that got basically turned into the Collectors from Mass Effect by an egotistical 'genius' from another plane who wanted to learn through force and converting them and random civilians into more obedient servants/agents.

It suuuuuuuuucked. Was a great session.

>>52345355
emulation's super easy nowadays if not

>>52345367
He doesn't but the monk can see how he does it for others and still feel more confident.

>>52345379
>an egotistical 'genius' from another plane who wanted to learn through force and converting them and random civilians into more obedient servants/agents.
So the Cybamen?
That's mean, anon.

>>52345185
I wonder how easy it would be to homebrew up some Ganzi bloodlines in the same way Tieflings, Aasimar, and Dhampirs have them.

>>52344662
Give that the Alchemy sphere does not change the rules for splash weapons, you cannot make an Attack action with one and must instead use Throw Splash Weapon, so no Barrage. You can take Great Focus feat + Swift Toss talent to do the same thing anyways, this is a nova build after all. Sniping (just like Vital Strike) is thus similarly incompatible.

>Focusing flasks, hybridization funnels...should all be rendered incompatible with Alchemy.
This I can agree with, it definitely seems like an oversight that they forgot about these items when allowing players to make stronger versions of existing alchemist items. Do remember that Hybridization Funnel does at least require they inputs be different, so when in non-nova mode you're splitting damage between acid and fire.

>>52345331
>>52345352
>>52345375

https://www.sendspace.com/file/zb4raz

>>52345412
It's closer to Flatland, if citizens of Flatland could create mass conversion factories and fire huge laser beams.

>>52345331
>>52345438
Might be an interesting look through, at least. I was interested in playing a Martial Artist since lawful-locked is some BS, but I'd probably be better just slapping LN on my sheet and playing a normal UMonk considering how loose my GM is with it.
Cha-monk still being locked to scaled fist is dumb

>>52345365
I hate it too, anon.
especially since I know he's perfectly capable of designing good stuff

>>52345304
Sorry meant to include you in there.
See.
>>52345438

>>52344623
Just tack everything on there. Sheath, flare, barbs, knot, ring, everything.

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There was a discussion in my group last night wherein the GM was abnormally insistent that "boys can't be witches" despite no rules text saying so. I never said a word, but the compromise solution they arrived at made me think of you /pfg/.

Her reputation and numerous manly wizard posters suggest that many other abnormal hangups will influence this game's setting. I'm burnt-out on the normal "generic fantasy grabbag" settings anyway so w/e.

>>52345365
Augunas's crunch is decent-good. It's his fluff that's baby-fox-raping awful.

>>52345443
>if citizens of Flatland could create mass conversion factories and fire huge laser beams.
SO THE CYBAMEN?
>my game is 2 initiators, 1 monk multiclassing into initiator, and a 3.5 style cleric, all at level 5, and with fuckall for magic items
>....... with balls of brass and burning hearts, we ride (delve)

I keep getting emails about this "Starfinder" thing paizo's putting out. Why should I look at Pathfinder in Space when there's likely third-party stuff that does it better?

Reposting in case it wasn't seen.

>>52345060
You cannot (use an invention to gain an improvement on an existing invention). It has been given as a suggestion as you get more invention slots than there are inventions, but has not been officially put in to my knowledge.

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>>52344914
Finding the source for that image was a pain

>>52345509
why do anything ever

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>>52345438
Thanks bud

>>52345498
Childhood Adventures.
Grimoire of Lost Souls.

>>52345509

Supposedly, the system is significantly changed. Might be better.

I cannot stand Augs art choices on the Everyman books.

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>>52345426

>Give that the Alchemy sphere does not change the rules for splash weapons, you cannot make an Attack action with one and must instead use Throw Splash Weapon, so no Barrage.
Is this true? As far as I can tell, splash weapons are still eligible for the attack action and the full attack action; otherwise, a rogue (underground chemist) could would be unable to full attack with splash weapons, and the fast bombs alchemist discovery would be useless.

>You can take Great Focus feat + Swift Toss talent to do the same thing anyways, this is a nova build after all. Sniping (just like Vital Strike) is thus similarly incompatible.
This is true.

>>52345509
>>52345543
I'm rather hoping it's a bit 50's sci fi pulp, to be honest.

>>52345555
>Drawing the components of, creating, and throwing a bomb requires a standard action that provokes an attack of opportunity. Thrown bombs have a range of 20 feet and use the Throw Splash Weapon special attack.

>>52345498
And I'm pumped for the Aug/Jolly Legendary Gunslingers whenever that comes around.

>>52345484
There are a couple male witches in APs and fluff books, (off the top of my head, Rule of Fear has one), but yeah, sounds like it's a "Well in /my/ setting..." thing.

>>52345519
>Finding the source for that image was a pain
A man can be so generous as to share with his kinfolk?
>dark hair
>witch
>safe driving
>healthy all over
>I want to see her ahegao face

If I'm a slayer and I take VMC into rogue, do the sneak attack bonuses stack?

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>>52345540
Those are examples of when his fluff shits the bed so hard it has a negative effect on the crunch in the
>>52345546
>>52345598
The art really is the worst part, which sucks since there's some pretty decent stuff to be found in there. I... I almost unironically hope he gets more work in official books, if only because then they might force him to limit his kitsune fetish to a couple pages instead of half the book, like with BotB.
Even though I still REEEEE at how most of the races didn't even get any ARTs when they REALLY NEEDED THEM.

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>>52345595

My point is more concerned with full attacks, whether from a rogue (underground chemist) or an alchemist with fast bombs.

>>52345619
whoops, forgot to include the link
http://parororo.deviantart.com/

>>52345509
Actually this is a legit thing to talk about:

What makes a crunchy D&D-like system whose strength is classes appealing to use for a space setting, compared to converting something more character-fluff-driven like WoD rulesets?

What kind of space drama is more suited to it, the planet-of-the-week type or the society-stuck-on-a-ship type?

>>52345627
IIRC, extra sneak attack dice don't stack unless specified.

>>52344679
May be part of a 5e game. Group seems to be moving away from PF.

Except me, but that's fully because I'm an autist who love chargen minigames.

Can an unchained class take a chained archetype?

>>52345669
>DEVIANTART
>chance of lewds drops to nil
>but she's cute
>reminds me of my first gf, a goth hispanic girl that gave me my love of long, shimmery black hair and glossy, bubbly lipstick

>>52345651
Paizo is not responsible for Player Companions anyway

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Who is the maid with the gun from the last thread. Sauce?

How does a character with 7 charisma find love?

>>52345755
Intelligence/Wisdom swaps for Diplomacy.

>>52345744
Sakuya Izayoi
Now get the fuck out

>>52345755
Having 7 Cha doesn't necessarily mean you're ugly. It can. But it doesn't have to.

>>52345676
That's part of it, sure. I'm also having flashbacks to the atrocity of wotc's D20 Future add-on to D20 Modern, where everything was horrendously imbalanced against each other thing in the book.

Another part makes it sound like there's going to be even more rules to get bogged down in, and I had already stopped playing PFRPG due to 3.5-esque bloat.

>>52345651

You're silly, anon. How many times would you ever need to play a non-DEX or non-CHA catfolk?

>>52345744
>not knowing literally babby's first 2hu
wtf now I hate newfags!

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Could a ghoul or vampire use the demon transformation items in Book of the Damned to get a half-fiend template?

>>52345575
I don't remember where it's explicitly stated unfortunately, but I do know for sure that by default you can only attack with a splash weapon with the Throw Splash Weapon special standard action. Otherwise there would be no point in the listed action, so you can at the very least logically infer the intent from this.

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Question: if I have both the MObile Stronghold and the Shield Brace feat, can I use a polearm with a tower shield with no penalties?

Mobile Stronghold feat: While using a tower shield, you do not suffer a penalty on attack rolls because of the shield’s encumbrance.
While using Mobile Bulwark Style, [...]

Shield Brace feat: You can use a two-handed weapon sized appropriately for you from the polearm or spears weapon group while also using a light, heavy, or tower shield with which you are proficient. The shield’s armor check penalty (if any) applies to attacks made with the weapon.

>>52345792
>that chestsize
Literally
Perfect.
The ideal female form. Peak performance.

>>52345727
>>reminds me of my first gf, a goth hispanic girl that gave me my love of long, shimmery black hair and glossy, bubbly lipstick
Sounds cute/hot.
Where is she now?

>>52345755
Probably something like a romantic comedy.

>>52345755
They don't. They get loved by someone else through no means of their own.

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>>52345732
>you can only attack with a Throw Splash Weapon special standard action
W-wait, seriously? Even if you can "draw thrown weapons like normal weapons"? The fuck's the point of Underground Chemist then? I don't even care about SoM that much, but what the hell paizo. Trying to make a 1pp rogue is causing me physical pain but I can't stop trying.

>>52345776
IT WOULDN'T BE SO BAD IF THEY DIDN'T FEEL REDUNDANT AND INFERIOR TO EVERYTHING ELSE, ASSHOLES

>>52345809
Long gone, anon, long gone.
I saw her at a restaurant years ago, decidedly less goth, made me sad, she looked good in the fashion, but she was still bubbly and occasionally irrelevant in an endearing way.

>>52345801
>can I use a polearm with a tower shield with no penalties?
No, the penalty from Brace is different penalty from the penalty to attack from wielding tower shields.

You still take the penalty from Shield Brace. Better invest in a mithril towershield friend and/or take that one Fighter archetype to reduce the ACP

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>>52345426

Let us update the build above. Sadly, it must be 7th-level due to the BAB requirement on Great Focus.

The damage numbers stay exactly the same, but initiative has spiked upwards to +14.

Level: 7th
Race: Human (heart of the fields)
Class: Blacksmith 5/alchemist (mortal chemist) 2
Ability Scores (20 point buy): Strength 7, Dexterity 16, Constitution 14, Intelligence 17+2+1+2, Wisdom 14, Charisma 7
Traits: Clever Wordplay (social), Reactionary (combat), Spark of Creation (magic), drawback of choice

Equipment Discounts: Craft Wondrous Item feat, Craft Magic Arms and Armor feat, Brew Potion feat, Spark of Creation trait, economic crafting smithing insight
Key Equipment: Headband of vast intelligence +2 (4,000 gp), cauldron of brewing (3,000 gp), +1 agile breastplate (1,550 gp), +1 darkwood heavy shield (1,257 gp), muleback cords (1,000 gp), cracked dusty rose prism ioun stone (500 gp), traveler's any-tool (250 gp), hybridization funnel (200 gp)
Consumables: Focusing flask (700 gp market price each, but can be mitigated with crafting discounts)

Feats:
Human Bonus: Focused Sphere (Alchemy)
1st-level: Magnum Opus
3rd-level: Deific Obedience (Shelyn)
5th-level: Extra Combat Talent, later retrained into Great Focus
7th-level: Improved Initiative

Smithing Insights: Economic crafting, shieldsmith
Alchemist Discovery: Tumor familiar (initiative familiar)

Combat Talents: 11 = 2 base + 5 blacksmith + 1 equipment specialist + 1 alchemist + 2 alchemical expertise
Alchemy (Formulae package, 1 formula free; Poison package, 1 poison free): Cluster Toss, Improved Acid Flasks, Improved Alchemist Fire, Improved Bottled Lightning, Improved Flash Powder, Improved Fuse Grenade, Salve, Swift Toss, King's Sleep
Equipment (1 free): Armor Training, Distance Shot

Quote from Vult. Fresh from the presses
>I actually fucking hate traps mechanically and narratively. (Great as characters)
Ironically, this means that 2hu is an automatic guaranteed slot, since he ONLY makes traps.

Would Warlord's conversion to Starfinder rules be named Starlord?

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>>52345868

Craft (alchemy):
7 ranks
+6 Intelligence modifier
+3 class skill
+3 racial from human's heart of the fields
+1 trait from Spark of Creation
+4 sacred from Deific Obedience (Shelyn)
+2 circumstance from traveler's any-tool
+5 competence from cauldron of brewing
Total: +31, take 15 with Magnum Opus for 45, enough for three upgrades on Improved Acid Flasks

Initiative:
3 Dexterity modifier
+2 trait from Reactionary
+1 competence from cracked dusty rose prism ioun stone
+4 Improved Initiative
+4 initiative familiar
Total: +14

Range increment:
10 splash weapon
+30 Distance Shot
Total: 40 feet

Attack bonus with splash weapon out to second range increment (45 to 80 feet):
6 BAB
+3 Dexterity modifier
+1 Throw Anything
-2 range increment
-2 Barrage
Total: +6, or +4 for the two throws with Cluster Toss

Damage for Improved Acid Flasks:
4d6 base with Craft (alchemy) ranks
+2d6 Alchemy dedication
+6 Intelligence modifier from alchemist
+4 sharpen weapons
Total: 6d6+10 (average 31)

Each Improved Acid Flask costs 0 gp to make, and, with the Equipment sphere dedication, only 7.5 minutes to create (3.75 minutes with an alchemist's lab). The character loads up a total of nine Improved Acid Flasks in three focusing flasks.

During a long rest, the character uses the sharpen weapons maintenance, giving the entire party a +4 untyped bonus to all damage rolls made with manufactured weapons. Yes, even if someone in the party picks up a weapon from elsewhere; the blacksmith is just that good.

When combat starts, the character uses Cluster Toss to draw and throw two focusing flasks, then uses Swift Toss to draw and throw a third flask. The character targets a single grid intersection, which is only AC 5, and will thus miss only on a natural 2+, even if they are throwing out to 80 feet.

The result is a blossom of automatic damage.

Focusing flasks and hybridization funnels should be rendered incompatible with Alchemy, and Clustered Toss and Swift Toss should be readjusted.

>>52345861
http://www.d20pfsrd.com/feats/combat-feats/tower-shield-specialist-combat-shield-mastery/

>>52345877

Gonna be honest here, Vult's attitude more than his campaign is what's getting me worried about it.

>>52345879
No. Because war is still a thing even among the stars.

>>52345879
Who?

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>>52345879

Oh you.

>>52345757
You mean like Student of Philosophy?

>>52345877
>>52345894
I don't see the problem.

>>52345894
Vult is such a dickhead

>>52344876
Take a look at her other hand, there's clearly claws. That character is a werewolf, partially-transforming to lick her hand-fur.

>>52345894
Said it before and I'll say it again. The dark fantasy is good, the rape fantasy is good if you're into that. But the Vult Defence Force isn't working, because the guy seems like a total fucko.

>>52345676
Well for life-on-a-ship concepts, if hallway combat is a cool and exciting thing you want in the game, you need a system that does things like distinguish levels of cover, creates a metagame of advancement in position, makes melee and ranged work different with different advantages promoting both, etc. I'm not saying this is sci-fi essential, but it could be a thing you prioritize and the way each system approaches that aspect is very different.

For Pathfinder... it's not *successful* at dealing with these things so would require adjustment (no idea if they adjusted enough), but you would like a system of this sort, where it tries.

WoDlikes would be too oversimplified to make that kind of combat engaging. Their strengths in having character systems with more vague skill purviews and higher ability of *all* characters to focus on character build aspects (by spending all one's XP on them) would work better towards the whole "who can fix the engine!", "who has connections in empire!" and "who can disguise us planetside!" part of sci-fi. They would just mostly gloss over the exact means of how your crew wins fights, though.

Revived Action Economy separates preparing a bomb to throw it and attacking it into two different actions

>>52345884
Incase you haven't noticed, the Alchemy sphere was updated to prevent use with "focusing flasks and hybridization funnels"

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>>52345727
Lewds or no, she's still pretty faptastic
I'm a sucker for alabaster skin and green eyes

The stat spread for my mercenary seems a bit odd:

7/18/14/12/14/14

I'm a little concerned about the 7 strength, but I should be able to afford muleback cords.

>>52346004

>7 Strength
>18 Dex

What.

>>52346004
Just buy a mule to haul yer shit.

Or offload it on the party's STRFAG.

>>52346004
Dexfags go and stay go.
>14 cha
What are you, a paladin?

>>52345893
>all those feats
>level eight minimum
Ew. Why not just play Tower Shield Specialist Fighter for 3 levels and be done with it?

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>>52344752

>>52345877
Did 2hu even apply?

>>52345484
You can point out to him directly that the White-Haired Witch archetype for the Witch explicitly mentions that "male White-Haired Witches often use their beards or mustaches for their abilities". Meaning that there MUST be male witches, and not even necessarily fuccboi men, but full-on manly men with manly facial hair.

>>52346024
I'm a fighter.

The character is also short and female, that's how I explain the strength.

>>52346016
I'm buying a mule, they're cheaper.

>>52346013
Weak little baby arms.

>>52346004
What the fuck are you doin', pal

>>52346046
The heck is this from?

>>52346047
No. Human only rule chased him off, since he only plays kitsune shota traps.

>>52346052
-4

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>>52344752
>>52346046
>the lonely companions

>>52345776
>when would you ever

SWORD OF OMENS, GIVE ME SIGHT BEYOND SIGHT

>>52346047
We'd have heard about it if he did. I don't think 2hu is game to have his characters raped.

>>52346052
>short and female
And flat? And feisty? and totes adorbs? Like +7 adorable? Would princess carry, if so...

>>52346063
nothing of value was lost

>>52345988
True.
Y'know, r34 is always a thing... but this seems like only the artist could make it true.
I mean, he has th girl hung upside down in a miniskirt and halter top by a tentacle monster, there HAS to be lewds somewhere.
goo monster reverse anal vore
cum inflation
passionate kissing while holding hands
mating press until she ahegaos WITH heart pupils
I want simple things, dammit.

>>52346067
I mean I'm sure this does count as physical contact.

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>>52344752
>>52346062
Gag manga called "Maou-jou de Oyasumi", or "good night princess sleeping in the demon king's castle."

>>52345831
The point of Underground Chemist is to suck, and do touch attack sneak attack with a splash weapon. Remember it's only a default rule, other stuff can change it...

>>52346026
Because Tower Shield Training doesn't actually mitigate the penalties from using a tower shield at all.

>>52346067
>using her wings as a blanket
wtf now I want to play a character with angel/bird wings!

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>>52346049

>>52346090
please remove yourself from life

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>>52346098
>>52344752
The count's reached 5, but I'm sure there'll be more.

>Even more alchemists and investigators in WWW

Why this

>>52345962
A revamped skill system would go a LONG way to marrying the two approaches anyway.

First thing, in space with a player crew that needs to be functional while independent while getting a ship from place to place, you can't make classes where "garbage at skills" is part of the concept. You should have different skills, not less. There are a lot of other adjustments I'd make but that's a thing badly needing attention for all D&Ding in space attempts.

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>>52346068

>>52346141
Where's the fuckin natives my dude

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>>52345977

I see. This is an interesting change. We are still looking at 6d6+10 (average 31) × 3 acid damage in a 15-foot radius, then half that much damage 5 feet past that radius, and then 6 × 3 acid damage another 5 feet away.

What can this take out?

Against enemies without acid resistance, this produces 93 acid damage in the central 15-foot radius, enough to kill average CR 7s or 8s: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1E2-s8weiulPoBQjdI05LBzOUToyoZIdSsLKxHAvf8F8/edit#gid=3

Against enemies with acid resistance 10, this still generates 63 acid damage in the central 15-foot radius, enough to eliminate CR 5s or 6s.

As well:
>Targets who take at least 2 points of acid damage from the initial attack take half the total damage again on the following round.

Therefore, this can actually take out a 15-foot radius of CR 10s or 11s without acid resistance, or a 15-foot radius of CR 7s or 8s with acid resistance 10, if the character is willing to endure a one-round delay.

This is still completely excessive, particularly considering that it is an area effect that almost always hits on a natural 2+.

>>52346133
Make me, nigger faggot

>>52346141
Link me, I want to see this.

>>52346171

I've got an idea for a Half-Orc that I'm tempted to apply with, though I'm not sure about it because the concept is a 120% dandy.

>>52346183
https://app.roll20.net/forum/post/4790646/applications-go-here#post-4814783

>>52346196
Just do it, what could go wrong

>>52345722
Yes.

>>52346049
I don't think the poster really cared that his/her DM made that decision, it was just the "old if you're cute" that made them think of /pfg/

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>>52346196
>120% dandy
Go for it, dude.

Vult on the discord:

>Jesus its like shareblue invaded pfg to shit on me


NO CONTEXT

>>52346219
What is the pfg discord anyways

>>52346276
Don't subject yourself to that.

>>52346276
A miserable pile of shitposts.

>>52346291
I'm morbidly curious

>>52346087
Bitter, angry, flat due to malnutrition, and a concentrated ball of determination.

>>52346219
Shut the fuck up

No one fucking cares about your discord, don't bring this shit here

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>>52346214
>>52346204

There's only one thing keeping me from realizing my dreams... The artwork I have for the character is from a comic series, and he's not at all dressed like a dandy - total hunk sure, but I need *fashion!*

>>52346322

... Megumin?

>>52346324
Believe in your own justice anon

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>>52346104
Figured as much. Man, it sucks so much ass how many hoops rogues have to jump through for everything. How many feats and how much gold does an Underground Chemist even need in order to function? Offhand I think it probably needs Quickdraw and PBS+Precise Shot. If you VMC or take the Bomber talent that's just more feats/talents to pour into it, and you'd still need to take shit to shore up your weak defenses (Iron Will, mostly).
>mfw I then have to be Int-based
>mfw I could just play a plain ol' alchemist with less headache
>mfw instead debating asking for houserules to make it slightly less shit and to have all this stuff be Cha-based
Why am I doing this to myself

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>>52346322

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>>52345484
>GM was abnormally insistent that "boys can't be witches"
>well ok but only if you're cute.jpg
>Her reputation and numerous manly wizard posters suggest that many other abnormal hangups will influence this game's setting.

>>52346323
I hate being in public Discords and I'd like Discord shit not to eat up the threads, but man, sometimes DMs drop information in these private chats which they never repost and it's shit.

Is it possible to get more than one discipline swapped in for PoW classes? I know there's the trait, and a few archetypes. Is it considered balance breaking to just take the ones you want to use?

>>52346219
>copy pasted concern trolling every thread
GEE I WONDER WHY

>>52346344

You're probably best off going scout+chemist so you can run around making one attack but always getting sneak attack damage in.

But yeah, the Alchemist is kind of like the rogue's younger brother who is in all ways superior.

>>52346378
Unorthodox Method, a tradition, an archetype, or a template.

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>>52346381
>mfw that doesn't even come online until level 8
>mfw I've had exactly one game get past level 7

Literally the only thing going for it is hoping it's so shit the GM houserules things to make it be less shit. Amazing.

>>52346068
Except Liono had crazy Cha

So for PoW I know Golden Lion is support.

I am looking to debuff, support, and buff using my disciplines, what are the best for this?

I know Eternal Guardian and Iron Tortoise and defense.

I am pretty sure Cursed Razor is debuffing.

What else?

I'm a myrmidon so I'll have to use unorthodox method to get anything besides what's on their list.

Daily reminder that giving Mithral Current/Bushi built in flavor was a mistake.

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>>52346090
After a little research, I discovered that he does make some borderline NSFW stuff
Badnews: it's behind a patreon paywall

>>52346496
What do you have against African Mambele Users?

Is there a way to artificially boost my BAB so I can qualify early for feat prereqs?

>>52346532

That's a strange way to write in your diary.

>>52346560

Nope, that's one of the few hard rules of the system.

>>52346487
Eternal Guardian can also be used for debuffing.
Black Seraph and Cursed Razor are imo the best debuffing disciplines, tho.

>>52346487
Riven Hourglass is tremendous both for buffing and debuffing and also breaking the action economy over its knee
Steel Serpent is the quintessential poison and ability damage discipline, with the advantage that a lot of things that are immune to poison are not immune to steel serpent

>>52346560
Brutal Slayer's Furious Strikes lets them use their level as their BAB.
>>52346568
You can't get BAB>Level, but you can certainly get a 3/4 class qualified as if they were full.

>>52346487
Eternal Guardian is all about defense througb superior debuffing.
Shattered Mirror can buff by messing around with your friends' magic.
Steel Serpent, weak as it is, is debuffing by ability damage.
Black Seraph is about damage, but debuffs with lots of fear.
People crap on Tempest Gale a lot, but if you aren't gunning for maximum overkill damage its ranged maneuvers are rather useful for support/debuff.
Unquiet Grave has a bunch of necromancy based stuff like negative levels and such.
Fool's Erand has lock.
Most maneuvers have strikes and boosts thatvinflict statuses in fact.

>>52346560
Outside of Warpriest treating its level as BaB for purposes of its own Bonus Feats and similar features? Not that I know of.

>>52346578
>Furious Strikes
That only works for Critical Feats, senpai

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>>52346364
She may be the only het person I've seen in 2000 years, but her reputation to me beforehand from the mutual female friends we were playing with was "stay away from her" and "watch your drinks"

I'm inclined to trust my friends on this one sorry.

>>52346447
Can someone answer me a stupid question: what's the difference between a raven and a crow, and in what ways are their connotations regarding fantasy different?

ie if you see crows ingame, what does that represent, and how is it different from seeing a raven in what that represents? I'm not genre-savvy enough.

>>52346641
Off the top of my head?
Ravens are knowledge
Crows are death.

>>52346532
Damn. Source of the Patreon? I might be able to do some of my own research to find it for free anyway.

>>52346641
theres actually no difference. They're the same thing.

>>52346578
>You can't get BAB>Level, but you can certainly get a 3/4 class qualified as if they were full.
Not him, but is this just referring to feats that talk about Monk level instead of BAB, or is there some way to apply this in a general case?

>>52346413

Thanks anon, traditions are what I was missing

>>52346659
There's a link to it on his DA page which I posted earlier

>>52346641
They're both corvids, but ravens are larger and glossier, almost a blue/purple black. Crows are smaller, and a duller color. Ravens also have a distinctive "ruff" of feathers around their necks, and they're much better at mimicking sounds.

>>52346641
Crows are actually the general category that ravens belong to. You're more likely to hear "some crows" in general or group contexts, and "a raven" in specific or solitary contexts, but they both generally convey the same level of ominousness, morbidity, and vaguely inappropriate amount of awareness/knowledge for an animal in any given situation (ex: you see a bunch of crows above something that's had no signs of happening yet, they just know).

>>52346641
one of them pecks your eyes out because its hungry

the other pecks your eyes out to harvest the insight you have gathered while seeking the eldritch truth

>>52345755
Autistic people can find love too.

>>52346733
*sorry I just accidentally implied here that all crows are ravens, didn't mean that at all. Most crows are *not* ravens, it's just less important what type they are in groups, and the undertones of their presence are similar. When solo corvids *are* presented, writers are more likely to make a solo one a raven than some other kind.

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Magpies are cool and harmless

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>>52346782
Yes, I completely agree.

Having a bit of a flavor and mechanics problem. Going into a 5th level campaign soon and I wanna play a heavily armored dragon-blooded character who wields a big weapon. Would it be better to make her a half-dragon off the bat or go into Dragon Disciple for a few spells and to make her dragon-ness a little less obvious.

Thinking of either a half-dragon with the rest of her levels in fighter or make her a skald or bloodrager that goes into dragon disciple. Bloodline will be black dragon either way. Would be losing the heavy armor with the latter but I think the effect will be the same with a buff or two.

>>52346782

I'll believe that when you give me back my watch.

just play a draconic bloodrager

>>52346782
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_A7Gw217EJ4

Alright, is there an archetype that focuses on the Vital Strike tree allowing me access to Greater before lvl 16?

>>52346733
>>52346773
Crows (common, not even ravens) are also known to be very, very smart animals (increasingly discovered to be such in fact), so even outside dramatic context, that's pretty notable. They do things like recognize people's faces, mourn death (not just being scavengers, actual mourning), and carry/use objects to achieve indirect goals.

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>>52346796
Best Chapter.

>>52346340

Wait! Should I make a Minos with a huge-ass gun or a half-orc!

So many possibilities!

>>52346854
the world is your oyster

The fuck is a 2hu and why should I not care?

>>52346875
Lurk more and don't post for at least a year.

>>52346875
>hownew.ru?

>>52346870

Ahh geez anon, I was hoping you'd guide my hips a lil.

>>52346825
it is australian
it is different

>>52346902
sorry anon, your hips are going to be moving on your own

>>52346782
Unless they, for god knows whatever reason, decide YOUR window is the one that they live under.

Screeching and chirping. Every day. 5:30 am. Rain or shine. Never skipping a day. FOREVER.

>>52346937
Think about it this way: You saved 10 bucks on not needing an alarm clock!

>>52346854
Minos!

>>52346902
Go for the Minos hunk. What good's a setting specific race you can play as if nobody tries to play one?

>>52346965
dats a rull big gun

>>52346813
Oh, you're right! I completely forgot about the Steel Blood archetype.

I want to play in a game where DHB plays a girl. Then I want to rape his character because I know he would take that opportunity to have the rape baby and brood on the nature of a being brought into the world against its will.

>>52346972
I wanna see his guns and that thick sturdy barrel I tell you what

>>52346996
what the fuck

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>>52346996

>>52347035
What the fuck is this thing even for?

>>52347072

Hurting children.

>>52347072
Works great for injuring small chilluns

>>52347072
inflicting pain upon small humans

>>52347072
Devouring man cubs.

>>52346997

This feels lewd.

>>52347139
did you get your tickets TO THE GUN SHOOOW?

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>>52346997
>>52347139

>>52347180
Hot

>>52344658
Doesn't the any-tool call out that it isn't applicable to some skills (specifically calling out alchemy as one such example)?

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>>52347202

I suppose a portable alchemist's lab must be used instead.

>>52347144

Anon. STAHP. I was going to make him a gunslinger, not a Savage Technologist strongman!

>>52347254
THE
GUN
SHOW

>>52347180
>>52347144
>>52347139
This BIG THICK GUN bullshit is as good an excuse as any to get this off my chest. You know what I've realized over the past week?

/pfg/ is fucking schizophrenic when it comes to sex. The majority of anons here are thirsty nerds who want lewds even if they turn their nose up at lewd games. On the one hand, they want something cute and comfy with mismatched couples finding true love, but at the same time their lives are so saturated by hentai and porn memes that they can't understand anything else.

So you get people giggling about /ss/ and muscle girls, cooing over slender, short, and feminine "men" and how cute they are, but at the same time they squeal for ~daddy~ and want a big bara dude with a big black cock.

And yeah, don't pretend they're not playing into the whole BBC meme. It might be an orc, a minotaur, even an ulfen, but at the end of the day, it's all the same in spirit. You all say you want a cute, loyal waifu, but at the same time the only way you can get off is to imagine some hulking, faceless monster carrying her off and raping her 'till she's nothing but a brainless broodmare.

Even when it's an otherwise cute couple, all you fuckers can think about is "he's got a big cock and he's going to breed her". Suddenly the cuteness of a straight shota setup gets washed away by the shota being a musclebound porn star with the brain and attitude of an NTR guy. Suddenly the caring ~daddy~ is an abusive asshole.

Because that's all you can process. For all your talk, you don't want to love your waifu, you want to see her defiled and shamed. You want her to be abused by someone and you fully expect her to enjoy it, giving up everything else in her life to just be a mind-broken baby-factory.

Say what you will about PLD, but horrible rapey idea though it may be, it's the end result of all your fuckery. You just don't want to admit it.

>>52347305
what the fuck are you going on about

>>52347305
It's almost like /pfg/ isn't one person.

>>52347305
I think we have some really repressed folks here as well. DHB claims to not want lewds, but he makes some of the most sexual characters to apply to games.

>>52347305
Oh yeah, that's a theory. That's a real nice theory you got there.

Or. Or hear me out. Or maybe there are 68 posters in this thread and people have different opinions, and this place isn't a monolith. Weird, crazy, absurd, but think about it for a minute!

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>>52346608
How about you DON'T watch your drinks, just as an experiment to find out where you wake up? I have never once been steered wrong by letting girls slip me poisons.

>>52345365
Agunas is that guy with the podcast right?

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>>52347305
>Suddenly the cuteness of a straight shota setup gets washed away by the shota being a musclebound porn star with the brain and attitude of an NTR guy.
I SWEAR THIS WAS A BLOODY ACCIDENT.

>>52347346
>he makes some of the most sexual characters to apply to games
No, everyone just memes sexually about his characters out of context.

>>52347305
Jokes on you! I've been maximum overhomo THIS ENTIRE TIME.

>>52347374
He made a guy with like 15 children.

>>52347373
Wait, was that anon not just bullshitting? Now I'm kinda morbidly curious--is there a story here?

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>>52347305
No, I think most people have been pretty consistent on what they want, others just like to corrupt concepts to THEIR specific desires.

Do you know why? Why here of all places? Because Pathfinder discussion is all about spitballing ideas for character discussion. You put out one thing and it's expected that people will run with it in many different directions, and the mindset of it applies to all topics brought up, even ones you wouldn't normally see people do that with.

>>52347376
>>52347376
You thought it was a cute girl but it was me, Dio

>>52347366
If he has a podcast, I don't know of it. But if kitsune are mentioned than yeah. Alex Augunas

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>>52347305
This shit is histrionic, whiney, and butthurt...but really, he's not wrong. /pfg/ is full of pervs and they all oughta fuck off to F-List.

>maybe I /WILL/ play this disgusting abomination of a build!
>first I need to see how crafting works so I can keep a steady supply of splash weapons without choking
>oh god what the fuck
>holy shit seriously, you need a week to make anything?
>it's all set up to be based off of /SILVER/ Pieces???
>surely the alternate crafting rules must make more sense
>what the fuck

No wonder I ignored this shit before now

>>52347466
Except he is wrong, since the main point isn't "/pfg/ wants lewds," it's "/pfg/ wants hypocritical lewds." Which is sorta like saying "Fucking humans, half of them have dicks, half of them have cunts, they should just all make up their minds."

>>52347507

The best example of this, I think, is Onryou. One thread we're saying she's a sweet adorkable red girl that needs a prince, and the other moment we're describing how only a horse can satisfy her.

>>52347540
So a horse cocked prince then.

>>52347540

Sometimes a sweet girl's body needs a horse dick

>>52347540
Not that RotJR is really helping. Their players seem to actually consider the thread memes to be a pre-determined script rather than the stupid bullshit that they are.

>>52347540
Because there is no "we," there's me, and there's you, and there's a hundred other fuckers, half of whom wish Onryou's sheet would be burnt in a fire, a third of whom want her to be princess carried, and a sixth of whom want to read logs of her getting ahegao'd. Or something along those lines.

>>52347305
I'm just stuck in here with them, and they're not actually the ones stuck in here with me.

Every so often I meme about almost getting killed every fight, or failing every Will save.

Just let me die. It's better this way.

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>>52347450
>The guy im thinking of literally had a story about how half his characters were kitsune

>>52347621
Oh hey, it's Roryanon 2.0. When are you going to leak them ERP logs?

>>52347621
There is nothing romantic about the nomad life

>>52347621
Really I'm surprised it took this long to get here.

>>52347573
Thread's dead so I might as well say it. Just about every one of us hate the memes. I'm not going to avoid Seht/Onryou, but I'm not accepting it as destined or something, any more than Seht/Valeriya, Seht/Ameiko, or Seht/Koya.
Seht/Shayliss isn't happening though.
>>52347632
Yeah, that's not me.

>>52347586

Anon... Let's be honest here, we both feel the most alive when our characters get broken, battered and bruised. I myself write my best when I'm describing how my character submits to a mind control, or gets thunked with an arrow.

I think it's fun because it catches he other players off guard; people expect death and domination to be something a player will scream at the DM for, not roll with it.

>>52347573
Case in point right here: >>52347564
>>52347621

Does anyone else feel like being in a lewd game with DHB is less of a "he's stuck in here with us." and more of a "we're stuck in here with him!" deal? I fear the day DHB's lewd shackles are gone and the curse is broken.

>>52347466
>this