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>>52326938
Are the bullet points better?

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Give some structure to the system

Currently it is far too open ended, spheres should require more specialization to open their juiciest talents

>>52327603
Definitely a superior read. Kudos.

Think of a way to die.
Do you have one? Good.

Make it into a kind of daemon, then tell us what it's like.

>>52327628
Thanks.

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Earlier, I posted a 6th-level charger for Spheres of Might that showcased why they need to bar off lances and Spirited Charge from spheremighters, and why they need to turn Brutal Strike into something other than a source of monstrous damage. However, I had committed a couple of errors in the build, and I would like to reprise it.

Level: 6th
Race: Tiefling (Small size, oni-spawn, prehensile tail, scaled skin, underworld guide)
Class: Blacksmith 5/conscript 1
Ability Scores (20 point buy): Strength 17+2+1+2, Dexterity 12, Constitution 14, Intelligence 12, Wisdom 12+2, Charisma 7-2
Traits: Empathic Diplomat (regional), Reactionary (combat), Spark of Creation (magic), drawback of choice

Equipment Discounts: Craft Wondrous Item feat, Craft Magic Arms and Armor feat, Spark of Creation trait, economic crafting smithing insight
Key Equipment: +2 Small lance (8,310 gp), belt of giant strength +2 (4,000 gp), cracked dusty rose prism ioun stone (500 gp), +X Small full plate, +X Small darkwood heavy shield

Feats:
1st-level: Ride-By Attack (qualifies via Beastmastery's ride package)
3rd-level: Spirited Charge
5th-level: Power Attack
Conscript Bonus: Furious Focus

Smithing Insights: Economic crafting, shieldsmith

Combat Talents: 10 = 2 base + 5 blacksmith + 1 equipment specialist + 1 conscript + 1 conscript bonus talent
Beastmastery (Ride): Animal Companion ×2, Pet (initiative familiar)
Berserking (Ineffectual Attacks drawback, 1 free): Decapitate, Savage
Equipment (1 free): Armor Training ×2, Knightly Training
Guardian (Indifferent drawback, 1 free): Cold Iron Call

Animal Companion: Vulture, whisper
Feats (via retraining): Extra Combat Talent ×3
Athletics (Fly): Swift Movement
Equipment (1 free): Balanced Defense
Key Equipment: Muleback cords (1,000 gp), +X Medium nonhumanoid leather lamellar with griffon mane

Initiative:
1 Dexterity modifier
+2 underworld guide
+2 trait from Reactionary
+1 competence from dusty rose prism ioun stone
+4 initiative familiar
Total: +10

>>52327182
>>Britt dodges and debuffs enough to take out Ashley
>>Jenny has the advantage in a lot of fields but if Malta can get her pinned or flat footed the wolf could get the upper hand. Probably Jenny though
>>Monty is very much team and leadership based and probably can't beat the more frontliner straightforward damagey Sam
>>Daphne stomps Amais once she manages to bypass that AC with her superior damage output compared to s skill monkey
>>Couldn't tell you from what's been posted

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>>52327660

Attack bonus on a charge:
6 BAB
+6 Strength modifier
+1 Small size
+2 enhancement
+1 competence from Knightly Training
+2 charging
Total: +18, quite possibly against flat-footed AC

Damage on a Brutal Strike:
1d6 Small lance
+9 Strength modifier multiplied
+9 Power Attack
+2 enhancement
+4 sharpen weapons
+12 brutal strike
Total: 1d6+36 (average 39.5), tripled to 118.5 damage

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1E2-s8weiulPoBQjdI05LBzOUToyoZIdSsLKxHAvf8F8/edit#gid=3

This 6th-level character opens up combat with +10 initiative and a Brutal Strike Furious Charge, expending martial focus. This hits a CR 9 on a natural 4+, or possibly a 2+ against flat-footed AC. On a non-critical hit, that CR 9's 112.8 average hit points go down the drain. They then regain martial focus as an immediate action thanks to Savage.

If confronted in melee, this character can always fall back on Decapitates, which will have only a +9 attack bonus, but which will deal (1d6+24) × 3 damage on a hit, for an average of 82.5 damage. Even if the enemy survives, the character at least has full plate, Small size, and a +1 natural armor bonus. If the mount is attacked, the character can use Ride to deflect one attack against it each round.

Defense-wise, the character has full plate, a heavy shield (usable even while wielding the lance two-handed), a delayed damage pool, and even delayed spells and spell-like abilities. The animal companion is reasonably durable too.

This character also buffs the rest of the party with a +4 bonus on manufactured weapon damage rolls. This character also has Craft Wondrous Item, Craft Magic Arms and Armor, a 15% off discount on crafting all items, 75% less crafting time for mundane items, 20% less crafting time for magical items, and a handful of miscellaneous crafting and item repair benefits from the skilled craftsman and reforge class features. This character helps the whole party snap WBL in half.

>>52327613
No because then you run into bullshit feat taxes(if Spheres of Might is like Spheres of Power one talent is worth 1 feat)

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>>52327639
>then tell us what it's like.

Potential unrealized, a life unfulfilled. This embodiment of a wasted life moves about on it's knees, skin smouldering like embers that can, but never will, give life.

So who's going to analyze Vults taste?

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>>52327639
Boneitis
It is a fluid crawling demon that grapples you and then breaks all of your bones, single bone at the time, starting from your fingers.
And then he ties your corpse into a knot

>>52327668
You can't have both
You can't have talents more powerful than others without gating them somehow

>>52327661
Agree. Perhaps some of the matches were unbalanced? I just took the roles from each app, rather than examining sheets. I've only seen three of em, after all.

>>52327718
So elevate the shitty talents.

>>52327753
You fell into an amateur game design mistake.

>>52327639
Botched Childbirth

Guess what daemon just got the intellect devourer's possession ability, except it comes out the other end!

>>52327695
Martial-style trap, cute and probably wearing cute armor, likely a virgin but not really pure beyond that, has a certain degree of pride and falls under the "I don't want to do this but my hips are moving on their own" spectrum of sex victims.

Something like Lusicus except actually a girl, or maybe Maice but actually a sub.

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>>52327778

>mfw it slaps you with it's diseased placenta

>>52327729
Maybe...
>Britt vs Sam
>Ashley vs Malta
>Daphne vs Jenny
>Monty vs Amais

Lots of names ending in "ee" sounds so far, aren't there.

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As far as feedback for Spheres of Might is concerned, I have been posting 90% of my feedback in this thread ( http://www.dropdeadstudios.com/forum/#/20170321/my-concerns-regarding-spheres-of-might-so-far-5401451/page5/ ) and the other 10% in Google document response chains, although it has been a frustrating process given how Michael Sayre/Ssalarn has been hostile and antagonistic towards my feedback.

Now then, just to raise awareness of the absurdity and hilarity that is a 7th-level commander in Spheres of Might, I would like to, once again, highlight this class feature:

>Logistic Specialty (Ex): At 7th level and every 6 levels thereafter, the commander learns a logistic specialty from the following list:

>Secret Ways: The commander can use the gather information function of the Diplomacy skill over an hour’s time to discern the locations and pass phrases (if any) of secret portals in urban areas, or in ruins and cemeteries near urban areas. The function and reliability of this ability is determined by his gather information check, as detailed in the following table

>DC 45: The commander discovers the location of a portal within 4 hour’s travel of his current location capable of transporting himself and up to 1,000 humanoids a day directly to his desired destination, or to the nearest settlement.

This assumes that in every single setting, there are portals lying everywhere, waiting to be used, as if the entire multiverse was Sigil.

Furthermore, it is not that difficult to supercharge Diplomacy and then use it to take portals all over the multiverse with ease.

This is actually significantly better than a teleportation spell in many ways, because it allows the commander to directly dictate the narrative that, "Yes, there is a nearby portal leading to exactly where we need to go, it is perfectly reliable, and we can travel back and forth from it with a thousand troops in tow."

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>>52327828

Picture this: A 7th-level commander scrounges up a Diplomacy check result of 45 through optimization, such as by having a +35 bonus and taking 10, or by having a +15 bonus and using a cyclops helm and a knowledge pendant. They spend some time chatting with locals in a backwater hamlet in Cheliax, and discover that within 4 hours of that hamlet is a massive portal leading directly to the Minkaian capital of Kasai!

Suddenly, that commander has just changed the world in an enormous, lasting way, both for the party and for the NPCs of the setting.

For that matter, is there anything stopping the commander from continuously retrying this? The commander would find more and more portals with each hour-long information-gathering attempt, until they at last find the best possible portal among many.

Never mind that the destination can technically be the inside of an otherwise well-guarded building.

The portals can lead to and from anywhere, even other planets and planes of existence.

In a setting wherein 7th-level commanders exist, would the entire multiverse not already be interconnected by the efforts of these valiant information-gatherers?

>>52327828
Do we really need this post again

>>52327760
Not really, unless you want to posit some talents on to strong?

Otherwise you're saying we should bring Power Attack down to the level of Monkey Lunge.

>>52327803
Remember, people who are in or are getting into the dragon game, unless it has died over in the time I have not paid attention: Don't bring invisible infants to a duel with an insane rolling motherfucker, because in the end you will drop the baby.

>>52327903

WHAT

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>>52327903

N-Nani?

>>52327855
Problem can be even different
Since all talents are on equal footing on which you can pick, by then they must all be of equal strength

Which limits the system a lot.

Also in all honesty, Power Attack is a mistake of a feat.

>>52327903
No plans to, don't worry.
>>52327914
>>52327925
[spoilers]Ocieros the Consumed King from Dark Souls 3. It's weird there too.[/spoiler]

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>>52327828

>>52327944
>Ocieros the Consumed King from Dark Souls 3. It's weird there too.

Oh... Well shit, how did I forget about that?

Speaking of which! The Infant was supposed to be visible and gradually killed as the boss fight went on until, in a fit of rage and madness, Oceiros smashes the baby into a fine pulp and enters Stage 2.

Here's the sound effects: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P6vCZdcp6hE

You can guess why it wasn't included.

>>52327792
Wait aren't we doing this wrong? Shouldn't we be designing the perfect partner for Vult? Since you created what he self inserts as.

What would it be? A buffer/healer that mercilessly throws the trap into combat against those big giant monsters? "You're doing so good, now you just need to do a bit more..."

>>52327828
>DC 45: The commander discovers the location of a portal within 4 hour’s travel of his current location capable of transporting himself and up to 1,000 humanoids a day directly to his desired destination, or to the nearest settlement.
Shit that is fucking stupid.

>>52327925
>>52327914
In Dark Souls 3, a king, called Ocerios (the one in the picture) fights you while cradling his invisible dragon baby. Once you get him low enough, he curses' Big Boss' right hand man and drops the baby in a way that makes it explode.

>>52327980

>Drops the baby

Nigga he piledrives that thing.

>>52327828
>>52327845
They assumed only very high level characters are going to nail DC 45 check.

Easy fix, just put hard high level requirements on everything. It kills flexibility, but if you want them to make it waterproof, there you go.

>>52327927
>Also in all honesty, Power Attack is a mistake of a feat.
Oh, so you're retarded then. Carry on.

>>52327927
>power attack is a mistake of a feat

OH BOY HERE WE GO AGAIN

>>52328009
Yeah fuck you too.
Everyone knows it should be baseline.

>>52327980
>>52327972
Honestly, I kind of liked the impression that he was so crazy, *you* were hallucinating a crying baby.

>>52327639
Do they already have one for "retconned out of existence by time travelers?"

Because if not, then they're missing an obvious Thing That Should Not Be.

>>52327828
You don't need to post this in every single thread. Every other thread or every third thread would be a more optimal way to ensure your feedback is better seen, as it would spread out those viewing it across multiple timezones.

>>52328008
Even then it means that there is ALWAYS a mystical portal within 4 hours of your location as long as there are at least two peasants to rub rumors together. That's fucking dumb.

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>>52328030

Why does everything Seath touch go mad?

Was he really that much of a bitch?

>>52327695
more interested in Analysis of WWWgm honestly

>>52327974
Are we sure he's a trap x female guy and not a trap x male guy? Maybe some dirty ruggish rapey type. Someone who'll bully the trap and call them a fag while sucking their dick and watching monsters have at them.

>>52327813
I just remembered that ashley doesn't have a sheet either. Huh.

>Britt vs Sam
This one's essentially a coin toss from what I can tell. Both have got beefy damage potential, so it's more a question of 'who gets lucky and lands a crit/lands a crystalline weapon attack'
>Daphne vs Jenny
I don't know much about either class, but I'd say the Psyarm holds a bit of an edge, even with dex mutagen in play. I could be wrong.
>Monty vs Amais
this matchup is kind of funny in my mind's eye. Amais has got great defensive capabilities but once Monty gets up close (and he will, that's a lot of HP to chip through with a rifle) it'd be over pretty quick, seeing as gunslinger's dodge can't help you at point blank.
As for Ashley and Malta? Not a clue. Ash doesn't have a sheet, and I don't know what the hell his class does.

>>52328043
It is high level pathfinder
Why wouldn't there be a mystical portal

>>52327828
>>DC 45: The commander discovers the location of a portal within 4 hour’s travel of his current location capable of transporting himself and up to 1,000 humanoids a day directly to his desired destination, or to the nearest settlement.
That's a fucking stupid ability.

So if I allows Spheres of Might I have to assume every fucking city and battlefield has a convenient secret portal for the players?

Isn't this supposed to be a martial supplement? That is fucking stupid.

spheres of power just seems like it'd innately be a failure for martial characters because just by looking at the spheres system its a horrid base for martials

>>52328061
They're not in the setting, because beleive or not most people suck at optimizing.

>>52328061
It doesn't matter if it's high level pathfinder. It means literally everywhere in the multiverse that has at least 2 peasants to gather rumors from there is a portal capable of transporting you to any location in the multiverse within 4 hours travel.

A backwater in brevoy, rural cheliax, a farm is tian, anywhere. Literally everywhere.

>>52328063
Don't forget that it's based on travel time, not anything concrete like distance...

>>52328088
There literally can be a mystical portal everywhere in Inner sea region because of runelords and their dickery.

Your random peasant in Varisia might have a few fucking death portals on his farm if he kicks the wrong pebble.

>>52328047
It's more that he was forever alone

>>52328050
Most of his characters are regular girls, or at least biologically

>>52328088
This.

Like if you want a hurr durr fast travel mechanic(why, this usually gets handwaved 9/10 and breaks the plot open the other 1/10th) just say he's so good at marshaling people they march their in like a quarter of the time.

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>>52328008

>Gather Information DC 15: The commander learns of a portal within 1 week’s travel of the nearest settlement of at least 1,000 people that is capable of transporting a small group (maximum 10) to a location within 1 week’s travel of his desired destination.

>Gather Information DC 25: The commander learns of a portal within 1 day’s travel of the nearest settlement with at least 50 people that is capable of transporting a small group (maximum 10) to a location within 1 day’s travel of his desired destination.

>Gather Information DC 35: The commander learns of a portal within 1 day’s travel of his current location that is capable of transporting him and up to 100 humanoids a day to a location within 1 day’s travel of his desired destination, or to the nearest settlement.

>Gather Information DC 45: The commander discovers the location of a portal within 4 hour’s travel of his current location capable of transporting himself and up to 1,000 humanoids a day directly to his desired destination, or to the nearest settlement.

DC 25 is possible by taking 10 on Diplomacy +15: 7 ranks + 3 class skill + 5 Charisma modifier (or Intelligence modifier with Clever Wordplay)

Even if the 7th-level commander decides to roll and winds up with a natural 1, they will still retcon into existence a major magical portal, even one to distant planets or planes, or even important building interiors.

>>52328088
It also means that in a four hour radius around Hermea is a portal to every single location on the globe.

>>52328088

Why is this bullshit getting challenged but every time someone says, "Dude... Dude... AIRSHIPS" everyone here just squeals and gets excited?

>>52328126
>There literally can be a mystical portal everywhere in Inner sea region because of runelords and their dickery.
And a meteor can crash into golarion wiping out all life as we know it, writing in both because "durr hurr magic" isn't good and doesn't save it from being fucking stupid.

>>52328147

How do you think Mengele collects his breeding studs and sows?

>>52328121
>TFW you're a merfolk on foot... erm... I mean fin

>>52328152
Because I use a rare and presumably expensive vehicle to travel or the setting uses air vehicles to travel makes a lick of sense. Those things are generally accounted for within the context of the setting.

Having magic portals that lead to anywhere you want in the globe all within easy travel distance fundamentally warps the setting into legit tippy verse level shit.

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>>52327828
>>52328146
>Secret Ways: The commander can use the gather information function of the Diplomacy skill over an hour’s time to discern the locations and pass phrases (if any)

Doesn't the (if any) refer to the fact that succeeding the check may still result in 0 portals found, if there aren't any portals?

>>52328126

Oh sure, and while we're at it let's talk about why farming is still even a thing in this setting? Why, after all, Create Food and Water are spells any low-level caster can learn.

And while we're at it, why are blacksmiths a thing? Ever hear of Fabricate or Creation?

And why do all those stupid cities have walls when a Terrasque can just tear them down. That's ridiculous!

>>52328126
It's not just Avistan. The jungles of Mugwani are full of them too. The bottom of the sea are full of them because of gillmen. Literally every inch of Golarion is inhabited by sapient beings which you can gather information from. Portals are literally covering everywhere no matter the history because the place is full of sapient species.

>>52328152
How is airships related to this?

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>>52328137

These are the other two options that a commander has available to them at 7th-level:

>Field Feeding: The commander can make a single DC 20 Survival check to move at full overland speed while foraging and supply enough food to feed himself and up to 10 Medium humanoids per class level for 1 day. If the commander is not traveling overland, he can instead scavenge the same amount of food with an hour’s time. For every 5 points by which the commander exceeds the DC for this check, each creature fed by this ability gains a +1 morale bonus to damage rolls and Fortitude saves (maximum +5) for the next 24 hours.

>Overland March: The commander and any ally who can see and hear him double the maximum distance they can travel in an hour when walking, running, or hustling during overland movement. Creatures with overland flight speeds benefiting from this ability have their overland flight speed doubled. In addition, anyone benefiting from this ability can make a forced march for up to 16 hours before needing to make a Constitution check to avoid nonlethal damage and fatigue.

I do not know why you would take these before the portal ability, however. Since secret ways is based on travel time (apparently, the portal is always X amount of time away, regardless of transportation method?), it is not even compatible with overland march.

>>52328190

The "(if any)" seems to be referring to the pass phrases.

>>52328186

Airships are accounted for in Golarion?

>>52328205
>How is airships related to this?

Because everyone here is arguing how magical portals located all over Golarion is stupid, yet when someone brings up casually including airships all over the place in the same setting people go, "shut up, it's cool."

>>52328190
>Doesn't the (if any) refer to the fact that succeeding the check may still result in 0 portals found, if there aren't any portals?
No, it refers to the fact that the number of pass phrases required to use a portal may be 0.

>>52328186
>Having magic portals that lead to anywhere you want in the globe all within easy travel distance fundamentally warps the setting into legit tippy verse level shit.

No it doesn't, have you ever heard of the Elfgates, or the Aiudara?

This is a setting where I can jump in an airship for an afternoon flight to Dragonland in the Five Kings Mountains and blast the cliffs with fireballs, why are portals somehow bullshit?

>>52328234
As far as I'm aware airships do not exist on Golarion and if they do they certainly aren't common. So what are you talking about?

>>52328234
>Because everyone here is arguing how magical portals located all over Golarion is stupid, yet when someone brings up casually including airships all over the place in the same setting people go, "shut up, it's cool."
For one there is a big fucking difference between airships and easy mass instantaneous travel to anywhere in the multiverse.

Two airships shouldn't be fucking everywhere, that's dumb.

>>52328255
Actually yes, it completely fucks over most settings to have instantaneous travel to anywhere in the multiverse easily available. As soon as someone finds it unless he keeps it a secret it's now a free use portal.

>>52328255
The majority elf gates are non functional because their keys are lost and forgotten to time. That's not equivalent.

>>52328058
Warlords (Ashley's class) are frontliners and have a bunch of auras that bolster teammates' saves or temp HP and stuff. DEX/STR and CHA focus. Considering he's VMCing as a Bard and took the Desperado archetype, which is just the obligatory "be part gunslinger" version, he's probably gonna be buffing people while charging in with a shotgun. Pretty simple.

>>52328265
>So what are you talking about?

>There are magical portals in every square mile of Golarion, this is not an undeniable fact of the setting but one you can add in if you feel like it.
>Woah, that is bullshit and you're just ruining the lore

>My party just casually bought an Airship because they want to be SKY PIRATES, this is not an undeniable fact of the setting but one you can add in if you feel like it
>Holy shit that is SO COOL! SKY PIRATES! SKY PIRATES!

>>52328297
I think Airships and Portals can be find if you build your entire setting around them.

>>52328305
Then it'd be a blender. I'd probably give Malta the win there.

>>52328321
yes it can be fine if you build an entire setting around it, golarion is not build for that, the vast majority of settings aren't

the ability fundamentally alters any setting it is in unless it was built around them

>>52328308
No one is saying that though, and the more you post the more I think you're just mad people like the idea of sky pirates and airships(which include all sorts of hooks like raids, crew, upgrades etc) and magic portals everywhere which are basically just going to be in universe fast travel points and nothing else.

S'up /pfg/

Recently joined a party of LN/LG and TN characters, as a LE monk.
How do I go about being satisfyingly evil without fucking over the party and derailing the game?
Lets assume i'm not stupid enough to try and kill them.

>>52328308
>Airships are somehow equally bullshit as there ALWAYS being a portal conveniently a few miles away from you
>at all times

You can restrict airships down, or have them be a special item your players get. An ability that's just "you can always find an instant-travel portal" is just as retarded as having a wizard be able to snap his fingers and teleport half a city's worth of people wherever he wants.

>>52328308
Yes, a four hour trip from the Sodden Lands to Hongal for 1,000 people with no cost whatsoever.

>>52328308
There are ALREADY airships in golarion you fucking tard. People already use them. Players buying one doesn't change anything.

>>52328354
>How do I go about being satisfyingly evil without fucking over the party and derailing the game?

When you go Dojo busting, you're not afraid to break the bodies of a Dojo that is clearly inferior to your skills.

You're basically Ip-Man, only you're willing to go closed fist all the time.

>>52328359
>is just as retarded as having a wizard be able to snap his fingers and teleport half a city's worth of people wherever he wants.

That's literally what Nex did.

>>52328365

Oh really? When do they get mentioned in a campaign setting book or even an AP? I'd love to know!

>>52328365
>There are ALREADY airships in golarion you fucking tard.
Not him, but where. They have stats but I can't find any info on where you would get an airship and who uses them?

Google just brings up skyborne stuff and a thread with JJ saying Golarion doesn't have them and probably never will have them. Granted it's from 2007.

Holy shit, why can't you guys realize the portals make sense in the setting?

Do any of you remember how you can find Garundi men in Brevoy, or Mwangi folk in Tian Xia or even Ulfen in Arcadia? Why do you think that is?

Every time a PC says in their backstory, "I traveled to there" when "there" is halfway across the world, they're using a portal.

>>52328354
You're all going for the same goal, more or less, you're just more willing to do some fucked shit to get there.

>>52328387
Yes, and it was fucking stupid when he did it too

>>52328395
>>52328387
I looked it up. They're in Ultimate Combat but it is never mentioned who actually uses them and where. So yeah, players adding a ship is fucking stupid if no one knows how to build them and there are no airdocks.

>>52328436
>So yeah, players adding a ship is fucking stupid if no one knows how to build them and there are no airdocks.

You sound like a real "No Fun Allowed" type of GM, you know that?

>>52328425
>Every time a PC says in their backstory, "I traveled to there" when "there" is halfway across the world, they're using a portal.
PCs who make a harrowing journey like that should have an actual reason for be cut from any game they're in.

This dumbass ability gives me a good idea
>ancient magi tech civilization encounters grand catastrophe(!Nukes, !Lavos, whatever)
>the world gets covered in a dense poisoness miasma
>the last bastions of civilization each their livings out in the cities that had life support systems that held up or were high up enough to avoid the miasma.
>people send scouts out to fine mystic portals to pop into other ruined cities and scavenge and teleport back home circumventing most of the miasma.
Good idea or shit idea?

>>52328354
Be brutal, but for a purpose.

You are a teacher, and there is no greater teacher than suffering. When you brutalize a mother and father, it is so that the child will grow up with a fire in his heart. When you refuse to save a town beset by bandits, you instead throw swords at their feat and tell them to start practicing through the morning. Your job is to bring strength to those who have grown too reliant on adventurers.

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>>52328234
>Because everyone here is arguing how magical portals located all over Golarion is stupid, yet when someone brings up casually including airships all over the place in the same setting people go, "shut up, it's cool."

One is a homebrew addition to the Golarion setting for use in somebody's personal game. The other is a published rulebook meant to apply to every game that chooses to use it.

>He doesn't see the difference

>>52328448
If a setting doesn't have anyone who knows how to build an airship then players shouldn't be allowed to get an airship. Putting restrictions on players because things don't exist in a setting isn't "no fun allowed". Otherwise everything turns into fucking kitchen sink bullshit at the mercy of any whim the PCs have.

>>52328451

This is why I always spend a paragraph or two describing how my character got to a location, and why.

>>52328448
How is letting players buy something that doesn't exist and no one knows how to even MAKE "No fun allowed".

>>52328503

Because airships are fun? Because being a sky pirate is fun, or sailing the sky to get from your quest markers is fun?

>>52328425
>Mwangi folk in Tian Xia
What?

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>>52328360

It is important to remember that the portal is only X amount of time away... when the 7th-level commander first discovers its location.

Nothing is stopping the commander from tipping people off and then having them construct a town around the portal.

>>52328425
Yeah, nondescript travel is a sign of a bad backstory.
>>52328387
Nex is a very high level character, on the order of a few dozen, or at most a hundred, people in the entire setting. This is any level 7 character, which is thousands of people.

>>52328521
Then specify before hand so we can play in a setting with them. Settings shouldn't warp every time some jack off player thinks 'man this would be EPIC".

>>52328531

He's talking about situations where you're joining a campaign set in Tian Xia, and someone shows up with Nighthawk Johnson, the Giga Nigga from Sargava.

>>52328387
>That's literally what Nex did.
Nex is literally a deific level god wizard. He is on the level of "great old terrors" that could bring down the world around them.

>>52328486
I thought pfg has been crying for ages to let martials do awesome things like these instead of it being exclusively left to wizards

>>52328553
>Settings shouldn't warp every time some jack off player thinks 'man this would be EPIC".

The DM's responsibility is to guide the players along a story the players direct and influence, not the other way around. A DM is little more than a referee, a coach, he should not and shall not be an enforcer of some bullshit "epic story" they have in store for the group.

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>>52328560
He's a massive fucking weeaboo who fund some !manga in a stall and is about to live the weeb dream.

Fuck, a group of Weeaboos traipsing across Golarion to get to tian xia could be a campaign unto itself.

>>52327778
The Anus Devourer?

>>52328583

Damage isn't the issue, it's divination and teleportation and shit

>>52328583
Wizards doing it is also bullshit.

>>52328265
Airships are indeed a thing on Golarion. Not only that, but they have Alchemical Dragons, airships shaped like dragons!

http://www.d20pfsrd.com/equipment/vehicles/air-vehicles/alchemical-dragon/

>>52328591
>Fuck, a group of Weeaboos traipsing across Golarion to get to tian xia could be a campaign unto itself.

Literally Jade Regent.

A weeaboo discovers their slant-eyed crush is a ~hidden princess~ and vows to put her in Nipland.

>>52328590
Fuck off. If seven sessions in you want to fuck off from what ever you're doing and "go be a sky pirate" when there are no air ships then you're a bad player and should go fuck yourself with a rake.

The setting should not be so limp dicked that it bends at every player whim.

If you REALLY can't enjoy the game anymore unless you have an airship then we'll end the campaign and change settings because you're too much of a fucking baby.

>>52328615
No, they have stats in an optional supplement but they don't exist in the Pathfinder setting? How is this a hard concept?

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>>52328615

>>52328638
Go write a book you autist.

>>52328265
Uh, actually, there's a blimp type and some alchemical mecha-dragon type, both 1pp, in the vehicles section.

>>52328654
>hurr I can't play in a game unless the campaign immediately changes with my every whim

Why are people mad the sphere magus replaces arcane pool with spell points? Is there some advantage to having two resource pools?

>>52328659
THEY HAVE STATS BUT THAT DOESN'T MEAN THEY EXIST ON GOLARION.

Why is this so hard for you fucking people?

>>52328452
... Which Tales game was that? I think Vesperia's was just monster barriers...

There was miasma in FFIX but it was pretty weaksauce...

>>52328692
Arcane Pool stuff isn't worth the stuff you spend spell points on. It's a bad trade.

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Wardens of the Reborn Forge, PZO9543
What's that in the distance in the skies of Alkenstar?

How do you handle a decades-long war as the backstory one of the PC?

>>52328714
Swamp gas

>>52328692
The disadvantage is that you spend Spell Points on something not at all worth spending spell points on. The Arcane Pool abilities needed either to be buffed up, or replaced entirely.

>>52328704
Tales of the Abyss in the later stages, iirc. Defintely FFCC.

>>52328472
... I know this wasn't your intent, but that's pretty much what that WoD Beast game claims.

Except the lessons are instead
>rape the mother to death and have the father arrested for her murder with no hope of parole and also no one is willing to ever adopt or help the child
>completely and utterly murder everyone in the town beset by bandits so that the bandits will learn to be afraid of besetting towns. you're clever!
>make all the swords rust when they pick them up, then flay them and throw them in an immediately deadly toxic swamp to teach them to become strong.

there was so much retardation

>>52328714
I stand corrected
>http://pathfinderwiki.com/wiki/Ship
Googles just shit at bringing up relevant information.
Alkentstar campaign when

>>52328718
Is it a war that exists in the setting it did you make it up for the character?

>>52328718

Which war?

>>52328692
Because Hedgewitch is allowed to have an Arcane Pool while Magus isn't, which is fucking retarded since they replaced the problem element of swapping pool points for spells anyway

>>52328749

... Isn't this from the same company that said Gamergate was orchestrated by a proud, strong black spider woman, and men can get pregnant and you shouldn't challenge it, shitlord?

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>>52328803

>Recently, Null Snyper discovered the adolescent man-children that exist where gamers and men’s rights activists overlap. She felt nothing but contempt for them, but she decided to try flexing her internet muscles. Instead of driving people to suicide through direct online interaction, she whipped up an angry mob to go after her targets. Through empty rhetoric and carefully coordinated campaigns of doxing and harassment, she terrorized players, game developers, and journalists in the industry who don’t share her trolls’ views. The first time she saw a man killed by police, live on webcam as a result of a swatting prank, ecstasy, unlike that from any other death she caused, filled her completely. She knew she was on the right track.

>Now she maintains a carefully cultivated legion of followers. Certain circles avidly follow Null Snyper’s exploits and celebrate her as a master troll. It only takes a word or two from her to unleash the fury of hordes of aspiring trolls longing to make a name for themselves. They’ll dox anyone or breach private accounts if it means gaining a small measure of notoriety by attaching themselves to her reputation.

Yes.

>>52328714
The Enterprise
Also a Weather Balloon

>>52328803
They said Gamergate was orchestrated by a Drow?

>>52328764

I'm about to suggest it to my GM both as basis for my character and an element of his setting.

>>52328718
Hopefully they're not level 3 this time around while claiming they did all their leading from the front and have over 300 confirmed kills.

>and then some mouthbreathing fucktards exclaim that experience has absolutely nothing to do with levels

>>52328846
Wasn't Falafel like a 50 year veteran and only level 3? Why didn't people call him out for that?

>>52328718
A looooot of low CR enemies splitting experience between a loooooot of low level NPC classes.

>>52328828
>>52328835
Basically. It's... half-mocking?
It's written with a very straight SJW face, but when you read the sequence and remember that splatbooks for WoD are always from the point of view of the splat-critter writing it...

Beasts view themselves as the good guys, teaching important lesson to these lesser beings that don't even deserve it, the worst of which sometimes even snap under the life-annihilating treatment they recieved and villainously start going after you for what you tried to do for it, because they're complete assholes and always were even though their transformation is literally a supernatural total-brainfuck by you on their normal unresisting normal mind. What a jackass to let themselves be affected like that, right? Can you believe the nerve?

>>52328718
His favorite prostitute was a succubus in disguise

>>52328846

Experience has absolutely nothing to do with levels, don't try to make the opposition sound absurd when your own position is absurd.

>>52328828
>Insulting your primary fanbase
Sasuga White Wolf

Would you play a Living Legend Soulknife//Host of Heroes Aegis gestalt?

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>>52328871
I call'em out when I see them but I don't look at all the games.

>>52328893
http://www.d20pfsrd.com/classes/character-advancement

Experience has nothing to do with experience levels because that would be absurd and you'd end up with, like, level 5 commoners. Got it.

>>52328922
No, but I dislike the fluff of those archetypes.

>>52328922
Fuck yes, why?

>>52328913

White Wolf are SJW in a way Paizo wishes they were.

Has Paizo had a non-gender presenting NPC yet that uses xer as a pronoun, and in the statblock says, "if you're fine with murder but not fine with this... Well, you're kind of a mess."

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>>52328888

Oh, no, this is dead serious.

>>52328913

How does "adolescent man-children" even make sense?

>One of the local Begotten is doxed. Now, a coordinated campaign of harassment has begun. Null Snyper had an epiphany on how to use the Primordial Dream to integrate herself more fully into the realm of information, but she needs a Beast’s Lair to enact her plan. It’s a race against time as the characters attempt to find the source of the harassment before the operation reaches its bloody conclusion.

Remember, nobody has the presence of mind to turn off their computer, so you have to rescue them from being harassed online as part of a magical ritual!

>>52328871
Because he specifically said that he avoids combat.

>>52328933
Experience and experience points are two different things.

>>52328955
Being fine with murder is one thing, but why anyone would be fine with mangling closed-class grammatical components when their entire reason for existing would collapse if replaced by individual identifiers for anyone that wants one is beyond me.

If you want your own unique thing to be called by, IT'S CALLED YOUR FUCKING NAME. Leave the basic ability to transmit fucking thoughts alone.

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It seems that the Spheres of Might developers are making an effort to prevent a mix of Vicious Stomp (a Paizo feat), Dueling's ... And Stay Down!, and Open Hand's Snap Kick from chaining together multiple attacks of opportunity.

That is a good sign, at least.

What are the best 4th level sorcerer/wizard spells for battlefield control?

>>52328994
Of course they are. Experience points aren't experience, merely a means of tracking it. You can tell that experience points are meant for tracking experience, because experience is the first word.

>>52329020
Black tentacles

>>52328953
Just wondering!

I found myself thinking about the idea and am now trying to think of a good theme for a character for it.

>>52328985
>this is dead serious
>the character's name is literally "Null Snyper"

>>52329029
Sure, if you feel like rolling three to four grapple checks every round.

>>52329020
Acid pit. Helps if you have a martial that can Shove things into it.

>>52328994
No. Not according to the system.
Crossing an XP threshold levels you.

A diplomatic encounter is an encounter and worth xp.

Every trap you avoid or disarm - and keep in mind this includes not stepping on that beartrap in the woods, not killing yourself when the branch snaps, and so on - is an encounter that grants you xp.

Practice fights and training maneuvers are encounters that grant you xp.

Every fight you get in OR TALK YOURSELF OUT OF is an encounter that grants you xp.

If you're a 50 year war veteran, even if you never fucking saw the front and did nothing but dig latrines, you will have gained several levels. Even Radar O'Riley had not been level 1 for quite some time, and had gained enough skills just doing announcements that he was wheeling 'n dealing with massive bluff, diplomacy and appraisal skills, and literally able to take apart and MAIL A JEEP BACK HOME PIECE BY PIECE. And that's a guy that hadn't seen combat and was just in there for a few years.

What the fuck do you think happens to someone who's been actually knee-deep-in-the-war for fifty fucking years?

Because that level 12 grandmaster NPC was only in there for like two decades.

>>52329070
Rules are not fluff
Rules are abstractions

>>52328995
Isn't this also a setting where specific words are really fucking important? Like, the undermining of a language would have incredibly destructive effects. Personal pronouns are evil.

>>52329045

Doesn't that sound like a name a bunch of SJW dorks would think is a hip cyber name?

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>>52329026
Dude, slow down, you're hurting him.

>>52329051
He said the best, not the easiest on the DM.

>>52329099
Hey Mike!

>>52329096
That's all settings, friend.
Including reality.

The structure and components of a language have an extremely powerful influence on one's ability to actually think. The entire point of political corr~ er "doublespeak" was that you could remove whole concepts or at the very least the ability to put-together those negative feelings into something you can coherently communicate. Not "immediately", but within one or two generations at most, from people never learning those concepts, thus reducing "I'm a fucking meat slave" to nothing more than this vague discontentment you can't clearly pinpoint.

>>52329123
I'm Mike, from Canmore.
Hullo.

>>52329083
Important abstractions.

Those points are an abstraction of how much you have experienced.

Those levels are an abstraction of how much that experience has been internalized in various ways, such as long-term memory for useful facts and useless trivia, to muscle-memory and specific trained responses.

This is why the basic soldiers in the system are level 2-3; completing basic training leaves you far from level 1 commoner; and can even be argued as having included a retraining of that original level (they do 'break you down' first after all)

>>52327639
I want someone to stat up the Uterodaeman we camenup with a few years ago.

Also, Death by Falling Daemon would be triply to fight, as he'd probably have gravity and vertigo manipulation powers

I also kinda want a drug overdose daemon, who's capable of inciting highs and hallucinations in people

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And now, we have an entirely new section of the Spheres of Might playtest: conversion archetypes.

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1grzUUNXCPaVrhvrh2-ePOBKnxWDuqdHLTH77dcMZhiE/edit

There are archetypes here that convert alchemists, antipaladins, barbarians, bloodragers, cavaliers, fighters, gunslingers, hunters, maguses, monks, ninjas, paladins, rangers, rogues, samurai, slayers, swashbucklers, and vigilantes into spheremighters.

It should be noted that while many of the spherecasting conversion archetypes were sidegrades or downgrades, the spheremighter archetypes for the tier 4 and 5 classes are actually *upgrades*, much like the Path of War archetypes for such classes. Even the poor swashbuckler is actually rendered viable by these!

That said, I worry that since these lack the two "starter" combat talents, a converted spheremighter is behooved to take a one-level dip into a native spheremighter class (e.g. conscript for specializations, or blacksmith for sharpen weapons). At the same time, giving converted spheremighters the two free starter talents would make the archetypes overpowered, since they would gain too much in exchange for too little.

What could be a way to solve this?

>>52329187
Call that second one a Descent Daemon. He's all about the six-degrees-of-freedom and talks like an airline pilot.

>This is Vertigo-1 on approach to PTMC outer-rim station M-I-L 132. Requesting clearance to dock.

>>52329181
The villain codex has raw Demon Knight recruits described as being level 7 or 8 fighters.

>>52329231
God damn that is dumb

>>52329136
Thanks for your opinion!

But in the World of Darkness things function a lot more esoterically. The creation of the internet altered the way magic works, for example. The change of the lingua franca would work similarly, since while in reality zeitgeist is a cultural force, in WoD it's a more universal thing.

>>52329297
So what you're saying is Meme Magic is canon in WoD?

>>52329231
>>52329270

There are also elite soldiers from Pitax who are level 8.

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Did someone upload new pdfs in the trove? I want to read Lands of Conflict and the newest companions.

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>>52329216

It is worth noting that the fighter (coiled blade) is the only archetype among the conversions that has a true combat training class feature, yet it is almost strictly worse than a blacksmith or a conscript from 1st to 2nd level, and is arguably still worse even past then. This is before we even look at things like saving throw progressions, skill points, and class skills.

The fighter is definitely receiving the metaphorical shaft here.

>>52329332
>elite
>level 8
Checks out to me.

>>52329356
But Pitax is a shitty kingdom in the most shittiest place on all Avistan.
The "recruits" from the Villain Codex could be in fact good aligned crusaders that had been corrupted and initiated into the evil order.

>>52329351
>The fighter is definitely receiving the metaphorical shaft here.
2hu made a funny!

My DM allowed Pact Wizard. The triple H one. The one that allows you to pick a witch patron and spontaneously cast its spells.

So, what is the best patron for that purpose?

>>52329320
Sure, if you want to phrase it that way.

>>52329297
What that means is that changing the language would outright change the magic too.

This means that the people demanding their own pronouns are flat-out interfering with everyone else in order to raise their own power.

So, they're not just a threat because of what extremists who don't like free speech or unfavorable-to-themselves thoughts like to use them to enact.

They're an outright hostile mage invasion force attempting to take over sleepers in order to gain an advantage over other factions.

>>52329181
No levels are really only measure of importance
Kings are lvl 14 aristocrats and so on

>>52329351
>>52329216
Well easy
Just kill 1 level dipping them for those classes

>>52329320

When is WoD going to add Pepe to the cosmology?

>>52329400
Aristocrats have constant fucking encounters, have you understood nothing?

That king?
Every single time a minister or foreign diplomat or noble shows up with some demand or an idea or a complaint, and he has to handle the situation, THAT'S AN ENCOUNTER. By the very rules, that's EXACTLY an encounter. It is an experience, abstracted into points of experience, that add to the king's experience total.

You don't magically become level 14 the instant the crown is placed on your head, and you don't magically lose 8 levels when you're deposed, nor does your son gain 2 levels in aristocrat when you declare he's the heir.

All of these things come from an accumulation of experience.

That level 10 maid has done a lot of maiding.

>>52329356
Level 8 is when you start leading international militant orders like The Lion Blades.

>>52329484

>tfw I have a magic sword in my setting that gives +15 Paladin levels when you wield it within the borders of the native kingdom.

>>52329484
I don't even know what you are trying to argue about.

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>>52329351

Likewise, the Unchained rogue (canny scoundrel) should really keep its original finesse training, which is one of the Unchained rogue's signature abilities.

Trading it in for Finesse Fighting is a poor deal, all the more so since Finesse Fighting is still based on BAB. If you the writers have no plans to allow Finesse Fighting to key off HD, perhaps they could have it key off HD for a canny scoundrel?

For that matter, maybe Finesse Fighting could apply to thrown attacks with finesse weapons as well?

>>52329418

That would be impossible to adequately implement.

>>52329491

Level 10 is when you're Grand Admiral of Taldor.

>>52329484
>You don't magically become level 14 the instant the crown is placed on your head, and you don't magically lose 8 levels when you're deposed, nor does your son gain 2 levels in aristocrat when you declare he's the heir.
I find it funny because there are examples of that happening in 3.5. Like Jaela Daran, who gains 15 levels just by walking into a city.

>>52329400
Except there are also kings who are level 10 aristocrats, queens who are level 15 wizards, and kings who are level 17 bard/fighters. Not all kings are created equal, since a lot of them level up through different methods. An elderly king with a dozen levels in aristocrat has been doing social encounters for decades, for instance, as said here >>52329484

>>52329441
Check the Wraith Release Date

>>52329505
Delay the thing that dipping usually aims for to lvl 3
That usually is deep enough to make dipping hurt
If you still want it, you can get it

>>52329510
>Like Jaela Daran, who gains 15 levels just by walking into a city.
?

>>52329379

Either:

- Either one of the ones that grant haste

or, since you can *prepare* haste,

- Anything that gives you the ability to spontaneously cast interesting and fun spells you might want to have a lot of (fireball, burning hands, teleport, etc) but not necessarily prepare.

Honestly time or elements is good. Ancestors turns you into a pseudo-cleric which is also great. Animals is not entirely bad at high levels, especially for a summoner.

Devotion is useful. As is healing (wizards with spontaneous restoration and greater restoration? Yes please).

Jesus Paizo...

>>52329512
Well not all classes are born equal.
What is the original point again?

>>52329510
>>52329534

Outlying special circumstances. Jaela is granted special powers by her faith, in the holy city of her faith, and only in the holy city of her faith.

That is designed specifically as a special privilege for the pope, not just something that happens to create an encounter. It's like the example given here >>52329497 where it's a special narrative device.

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>>52329505

Similarly, the monk (street fighter)'s flurry strike is only mildly better than the Dual Wielding sphere. Perhaps it could give scaling benefits like the flurry it replaces?

>>52329532

That would unduly punish low-level native spheremighters.

>>52329552
That's because Eberron a shit.

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>the DM gives one of his past PCs a cameo as an unimportant background NPC in the game
>the DM references one of his past PCs as an important historical figure in the game
>the DM includes one of his past PCs as an NPC that allies with the party in the game
>the DM includes one of his past PCs as a DMPC in the game

Which of these would you be cool with, which would be a red flag, and which of these would make you ABORT MISSION? Does anything change if the DM's past PC is from a game none of the players in the current game played in versus being a character you all know from having playing alongside before?

>>52329559
Getting to lvl 3 is quick enough
They can manage the rusty knifetown until then

>>52329534
Normally Jaela Daran, eleven years old and Keeper of the Silver Flame, is a level 3 cleric. Within the confines of Flamekeep, the holy city for her religion, she is a level 18 cleric.

>>52329510
Very specific exceptions, plus the Eberron silver flame girl is more being possessed/channeling than gaining that power herself if I recall?

>>52329484
You can start at any level
You can gain levels without encounters too

>>52329552
Wow, a special narrative device? Like a coronation or something?

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>>52329563
>...fuck, can't think of anything
>oh well
>LEL U DA STOOPID
>Ha, I win! There's no way anyone will realize I didn't address the point!

>>52329568
>1st
Pretty good
>2nd
Also pretty good
>3rd
Nope
>4th
Hell no.

Are you refering the the DM's characters when he's a PC or a DM's player's characters. Cause if it's the former, then 2nd is also 'Nope'

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>>52329501
We know. don't worry honey, go back to bed.

>>52329597
Think of it this way: There are coronations where you just put the crown on the dude's head and he doesn't change his class or stats.

And then there are Coronations, which actually have divine backing and are performed in the name of a God, and designate the recipient as Lord of the Realm, Defender of the Faith, etc., etc. In this case, it's a nebulous ritual that gives 15 free paladin levels instantly, but only under very strict conditions.

There are plenty of kings who are just fighters and wizards who fought for their crown and aristocrats who inherited their power. There's probably one or two kings in a setting who are specially ordained.

>>52329543
Thanks! Endurance also looks like a good panic button. And there's fucking Miracle in there, although I'll never reach it.

>>52329593
>start at any level
And that implies a character with actual experience under their belt, not a toddler

>but hurrdurr I can houserule it and ignore the system and handwave everything
Rule 0 does not change the actual written rules, it's nothing more than a reminder that yes, anyone can fucking play pretend. Good job, you know how to play pretend, now do like the non-autistic 5 and 6 year olds and learn to set up a framework of rules within which to play.

>>52329543
>wizards with spontaneous restoration and greater restoration
1) Is the blood money spell allowed?

>>52329563

No, it's a way to preserve internal logic while proving players the luxuries of a high-end character.

Jaela is the only Cleric in the setting powerful enough to raise someone from the dead, and even then only in the Flamekeep and under the approval of the Silver Flame. This means resurrecting someone involves convincing the Pope you are worthy of her time.

>>52329681
Or just casting dominate on her when she's in her level 3 loli form than doing deed.

>>52329674
No where does the rulebook say that you must have experience under your belt to be certain level

>>52329715
The chart of "you need this much experience for this level". It's in the PHB.

>>52329795
Experience Points
experience is not the same as Experience Points

>>52329802
Nigga it also never says anywhere that you lose your actions for being dead.

Go read the game glossary entry on experience points.

>>52329802
See >>52329026
Then if you still don't understand, consider killing yourself.

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Now, the magus (blood knight) conversion archetype for Spheres of Might sacrifices spell combat, but it does have this:

>Advanced Spellstrike (Su): At 2nd level, whenever a runic knight casts a spell with a range of “touch” from the magus spell list, he can deliver the spell through any weapon he is wielding. Instead of the free melee touch attack normally allowed to deliver the spell, a runic knight can make one free melee attack with his weapon (at his highest base attack bonus) as part of casting this spell; this attack is treated as an attack action. If successful, this melee attack deals its normal damage as well as the effects of the spell. This attack uses the weapon's critical range (20, 19–20, or 18–20 and modified by the keen weapon property or similar effects), but the spell effect only deals ×2 damage on a successful critical hit, while the weapon damage uses its own critical modifier.
>This alters but otherwise counts as the spellstrike class feature.

One of the three mystic orders of the runic knight is this:
>At 7th level, members of the Binding Staves who use their advanced spellstrike against an impaled enemy automatically threaten a critical hit as long as their attack is successful.

Picture this, then: a scythe-wielding runic knight uses impale against an enemy, and then follows up with a Magical Lineage + Metamagic Master + Quicken Spell shocking grasp (2nd-level slot).

That is a single attack action from the initial impale, an attack action with an automatic scythe critical with ×4 damage, and a shocking grasp with ×2 damage, all in one turn.

This is completely insane, and it could be solved by preventing Quicken Spell advanced spellstrikes, and by changing the Binding Staves' 7th-level ability to something other than automatic criticals.

>>52329702
Commanding her to resurrect someone associated with someone who dominated her would allow a new saving throw, one at her new level of 18.

Hello everyone. This is your threadly post reminding you that Legacy of Blood and Fire is a thing, even though it doesn't see much attention.

Why don't you take the time now to talk about your favorite character from the game, discuss why the game doesnt get more attention, or pitch ideas for a character!

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>>52329702
>lure the pope out of the Vatican
>separate the pope from all his bodyguards
>subject the pope to extreme mental duress
Only good things can come of this.

>>52329568
First is good, second can be good, third is okay, I don't really like the fourth.

>>52329812
You are wrong about it tho

>>52329715
>Experience Points (XP)
>As a character overcomes challenges, defeats monsters, and completes quests, he gains experience points. These points accumulate over time, and when they reach or surpass a specific value, the character gains a level.

>If this is a new character, he or she starts at 1st level in this chosen class. As the character gains experience points (XP) for defeating monsters, he goes up in level, granting him new powers and abilities.

>Advancing Your Character
>A character advances in level as soon as he earns enough experience points to do so

>>52329870
You're a lying piece of shit and you need to fucking stop.

>>52329870
No, that's literally the entire reason for having experience points. You don't magically become more powerful for killing monsters, but grow and learn through experience.

>actually using EXP
y tho

>>52329842
I unironically want to smash the cat.

But that one with the IRL pic as character art needs to get her shit together.

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>>52329823
>yo bro what should we do with the magus? people keep asking us to make the first archetype we made be less shit
>ignore the last one, fuck it up in the other direction and drop it in there
>also completely ignore our other set of rules and make this one vancian

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>>52329823

Well, that was a quick fix to advanced spellstrike.

If the Binding Staves' 7th-level feature could be something other than an automatic critical hit, that would be nice as well. At the very least, it could specify that you must be the one impaling the enemy.

>>52329842
Why?

Why does every fucking game need to be some flavor of the month shit

>>52329702

How are you going to sneak the dominated Jaela back into Flamekeep and around her Cardinals to conduct the ritual?

>>52329842

Gamze or go home.

Cat is a shit but with good art. Still might be fun if they're the comic relief

>>52326072
>>52326822
You do know that Greater Trip + Vicious Stomp is already a thing in 1pp right 2hu?

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>>52330062

Yes, but that is a trip followed by two damaging attacks; it is not a damaging attack, a trip, and then two attacks.

>>52330029
Because better to shitpost about something fun, like an orientalist adventure, than shitpost about mechanical minutiae.

>>52329842
I'd want to join for katapesh adventures, but I can't play the class I want to play.

>>52330119
No it isn't and if you genuinely believe that go find some free-form bullshit.

>>52330119

The ideal is shitposting about mechanics with islands of fluff.

I planned on making a female mercenary masquerading as a man for Legacy of Fire due to the culturally relevancy of that in the setting. However I am thinking /pfg/ would only think of that as a fetish.

As well I am having a very difficult time finding art for the character. Could anyone help me out on that front without making it anime/fetishy?

>>52328146
God fucking damnit, Ssalarn.

Even a fucking 15 retcons a goddamn extradimensional rift out of the fucking ether.

IT'S NOT EVEN HARD TO DO THIS, THE 45 JUST MAKES IT MORE CONVENIENT.

>>52330044
>>52329987
Do you guys really judge characters based only on the art?

>>52330172
No, but it influences the grade.

>>52330172

No, I don't at all.

Gamze is good because of a decent story and basic waifu potential inbuilt.

Cat is good precisely because she's a shitter.

>>52330151
I think the DM has modified the gender stuff in the setting anyway

>>52330205
What is it about Gamze's story that you like?

>>52330172
Picture is really important because in theory it sums up the tone and image you want your character to give off.

Spending a good one or two hours finding a picture that properly gets across my own mental image of what I want to show people is vital.

>>52329842
Gamze is my favorite as of last night's thread.

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>>52329842
>>52329987
>>52330044
>Cat
>"hold on, I never actually applied, the fuck is this?"
>go check apps, see bakeneko cheetah, then check Q&A
>3 days ago the bakeneko ruling got reversed
>tfw no motivation to go back and actually put in an app and it wouldn't be genuine anyway since lmaonotime

I'm a little disappointed, but such is life

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>>52330169

>Michael Sayre

>Spellcasters have the ability to impact the narrative through magic; if they want portals, they make portals, if they want to teleport, they can cast teleport spells. Commanders do it by leveraging their political connections to find buried, active, hidden, etc. portals that already exist somewhere within the given area. It's no different than a rogue being able to use black market connections in a city they've never been to, or a character gaining followers through the Leadership feat.

I do not think Ssalarn realizes that a 7th-level commander is warping the entire multiverse, permanently, in ways that a wizard could only dream of.

>>52330275
I think that's a bit unfair to be used as a general rule. Finding art for some concepts can be super hard.

>>52330106
There are plenty of ways to start a trip from a damaging attack, and it can be used in a full-attack as well.

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>>52330326

The investments required for such are greater than the equivalent investments for talent-loaded spheremighters.

Full attacks are still strong compared to a spheremighter's attack action, yes, but they are also more difficult to bring out on a high initiative count during the first round of combat.

So I'm finishing up a new archetype for the Unchained Fighter. This will make the 6th archetype. Unfortunately due to laziness on my own part and an increased workload from my actual employment progress on this an other projects have been slow. However I would like to give a preview of the Scofflaw and a general rundown of its abilities.

Conceptually the Scofflaw is meant to be an intersection of rogues and fighters thematically. The mainstay abilities of the class are as follows:
>Scofflaw's Blow
A versatile ability that take the place of three fighter bonus feats and the Advanced Weapon Trainings at 9th and 17th levels. It first of all gives the Scrofflaw half progression sneak attack, starting at 1st level and increasing at 5th level and ever 4 levels there after. In addition it gives the Scofflaw a repertoire of effects it can apply through the blow. For this I took cues from Anti-paladin's cruelties, except instead of being barred by a certain level they are barred by a certain number of dice.

An example would be Sickened, which is a 1 dice blow. A Scofflaw at 1st level can select sickened and sacrifice his 1 dice to instead attempt to sicken the enemy. Once he hits 5th level he could still sacrifice the dice but deal 1d6 sneak attack damage. Other examples include dazzles (1d6), blinded (2d6), shaken (1d6), dazed (3d6), nauseated (3d6).

These effects can be modified by adding additional d6s. Let us say you want to up the DC of your Sickening Scrofflaw's blow. At level 5 you instead of spending 1d6 spend 2d6 on it. You do not deal any sneak attack damage but add 2 to the normal DC. Let us say you want to make it last longer. Instead of the normal 1d4 rounds you can add an additional d6 to order to increase it to 2d4 rounds.

Advanced Weapon Trainings will be added to give you 1 extra d6 of sneak attack, get an extra effect to apply, etc.

(1/2)

>>52330482
>Scofflaw's Tricks
This ability replaces bravery, as Scofflaws are not known for their bravery and determination. Instead they are known for slight edges they gain on skill and in certain situations. An example would be Read the Crowd. The Scofflaw receives a large bonus on profession (gambler) checks. The scofflaw gains the ability to use ventriloquism, but only for bird calls. The Scofflaw gains poison use. These are examples of tricks the Scofflaw gains.

These are basically use for small bonuses, little unique abilities, and flavor for your character.

>Advanced Equipment Training
These have not been changed entirely, merely a set of roguish ones have been added, including simply "rogue talent" with a list of available rogue talents to take.

>Advanced Armor Training
Advanced armor trainings giving Uncanny/Improved Uncanny Dodge, Evasion, and Improved Evasion are added only for this archetype.

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>>52330300
Someone fucking punch this man.

Just

Fucking punch him in the kidneys until he can't type.

"I am powerful so I can make a portal" is different to "There was a portal here aaaaaaall along!"

ONE IMPLIES SOMETHING ABOUT A CHARACTER'S POWER, THE OTHER IMPLIES SOMETHING ABOUT THE WORLD.

GODDAMNIT.

>>52330521
Yes, and both are fucking terrible especially when you give classes abilities that let them retroactively pull "it was here all along" bullshit.

>>52330521
Are we losing hope in Spheres of Might?

>>52329011

It's a fine line to walk from "we'd like there to be combo attacks instead of 'I hit it with a stick one to four times' until the sun goes out" without someone finding where those combination attacks have unforeseen power ceilings that are not only more interesting but worryingly more powerful than the standard attack sequence.

I will say I've noticed at least DDS seems to listen to what people say during playtests more than I observed Paizo to. Ehn at least has been trying to address problems as they're brought up.

I hope they can make it work because this system seems much more interesting to build martials with, but I have a sinking feeling my GM will reject it out of hand even if they cook it to perfection because the martials you create aren't braindead autopilot classes and are therefore "too complicated."

>>52329532

I dunno, it seems like that was done with the Investigator and made it a problem in that the class is great if you're starting at level 4 or higher and something of a pain if you have to start at 1.

When were sandwiches invented?

Should I take Profession (Midwife)?

>>52330580
Not that I wanted it to fail, but I never had particularly strong hopes

>>52330581
>I will say I've noticed at least DDS seems to listen to what people say during playtests
You noticed Ssalarn's tantrums, right?

>Oh boy SoM has a mechsuit option
>all the options are pretty much knee capped super fucking hard.
Maybe I need to read more but fuck me this looks pretty shitty.

>>52330580
I can see the potential in it. I suppose this is what playtests are for to work out the kinks. I must agree that I don't like the portals ability, but it's hard to supply martial teleportation without ending up in some space similar to this.

Personally I would just not give them teleportation.

>>52330560
Yes, but one of them is something that has existed in the game since the very beginning and is banned from time to time because it warps games, and one of them is something that a 3pp dev is trying to justify despite people telling them how terrible it is.

>>52330580
We're losing hope in Ssalarn. If he loses final say in things then it might be okay.

>>52330580
>losing
Pretty much the only people praising it are people that hate Path of War.

>>52330580
What >>52330603 said. People talking about SoP never really managed to convince me that I should give a shit about that, either, so I wasn't really that interested in SoM in the first place when PoW already exists(flawed as it may be).

>>52330581
See that's the thing. DDS people often do.

Ssalarn doesn't since he's a primadonna to the nth degree.

Everyone else on that playtest is responding to feedback. He's just being bitchy, deleting comments, and changing nothing.

The man shouldn't be allowed to work on anything but his own material. He can shit that up as much as he wants, but not anything else.

>>52330641
I'm pretty happy with 5-foot and full-attack, dunno why everyone needs fancy options. I find the mindlessness relaxing.

>>52330594

Tell us about the character.

>>52330582

17th century.

>>52330666
I mean, that's fair, but people shouldn't HAVE to choose the mindless option if they want to hit stuff with a sword. They also shouldn't have to fuck around with spell prep if they don't wanna. Options for everyone, y'know?

>>52330666
t. Wizard Satan

I'm on to your tricks.

>>52330666
Why not play 5e instead, if you're going to play every martial the same way?

>>52330661
Alternatively, he shouldn't be able to call his own material done. It's very clear that he's unable to respond to criticism in a professional and adult way, or to be moved, no matter how wrong or right he is.

>>52330711

Most 5e players don't make large-breasted harlots I can typefuck on the off-hours.

>>52330686
It's a PLD character, anything more than that is inviting bad.

>>52330666

The thing is that anyone who wants to play a good ol' swordfighter gets stuck with the fucking full attack, and the "why in god's name am I playing a goddamn turret that can't move ten feet without losing 60% of my fighting prowess when that dickbag is killing fifteen enemies as a standard action with magic and spending the rest of his turn moonwalking?"

I'd like to have something that's not magical and also doesn't have a braindead routine that the game assumes I will stand in one spot and repeat with zero variation every turn of every combat.

>>52330737
Have you considered suicide then or perhaps free-form ERP? Doesn't get more mindless than that.

>>52330661
>He's just being bitchy, deleting comments, and changing nothing.
You mean clearing up space so that the comments are never clogged?

>>52330641
People got hype because they thought it might give options without being crazy like PoW, but instead it just became its own brand of crazy.

>>52330666
Well Satan, I kinda do like the simplicity of the full attack martials are pushed too as well, but having some tools on the side without having to spend a billion feats would be nice.

Hell, being able to move and attack without it being a capstone would be nice. Oh, and without gutting my attack potential.

Somebody give me a rundown and compare Path of War to Spheres of Might.

>>52330758

Yeah, take it! A midwife application would be fantastic, both as a character and handling any... Complications of the profession.

>>52330780
What annoys me it's not even crazy strong. Just kidna dumb in places, which is a shame because I think things like the Alchemy Sphere and technician have a helluva a lot of potential.

>>52330763

Suicide hurts and the US doesn't sell Feelium anymore.

>>52330786
Path of War: Chris and Gareth defending stupid shit like Steel Flurry Strike and Reflected Blade Style.

Spheres of Might: Ssalarn defending stupid shit like PORTALS and Spirited Chargers.

Pick your poison.

What does your character eats and drinks? What's his/her favourite food and drink?

>>52330758
I wish Vult posted their f list already so I know whether things like egg laying and monster birth.

>>52330829
Hippocras and a nice flank steak.

>>52330831

You can assume the latter is in and the former is possible.

>>52330786
One has an errata coming Soon(tm) that promises to fix all the busted, overtuned shit. The other is a clusterfuck.

>>52330852
Cool, I know some people are into pregnancy but skip all the birth scenes

>>52330829

His absolute favorite is perogie with a dessert liquor of krupnik, the proper traditional stuff that lands you on your ass.

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>>52330780

>instead it just became its own brand of crazy

Aside from the portal madness, unfortunately, "its own brand of crazy" is the most boring type of crazy possible: martials walking/flying up to enemies and killing them dead, whether with Spirited Charge on a Brutal Strike, tripping attack chains also on a Brutal Strike, or plain old blacksmith practiced power with Brutal Strike or Decapitate.

The Spheres of Might team really, really needs to turn Brutal Strike and Decapitate into talents that do not just gush out damage. They also need to put a stop to lances and Spirited Charge, and dial back on the tripping chains.

>>52330829
Steak with blue cheese for food and sparkling lemonade for drink.

>>52330829
Sour wine and bitter women.

>>52328186
Well if it pisses you off that much, put said portal at the bottom of a really unbalanced dungeon or something to make the easy way not easy.

>>52330828
They haven't defended Steel Flurry Strike at all, though. And desu Reflected Blade Style isn't that strong once action economy is taken into account. You can only really RBS spam if you aren't getting attacked by stuff with high damage rolls or rider effects that you need to counter.

>>52330828
What does DHB defend that's retarded?

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>>52330866
I can work with this. I'm already pretty familiar with Spheres of Power and Path of War, but what's got me confused is why the SoM crew is trying to reinvent the wheel here.

Just make an SoP-style "talent" system that runs off the Combat Stamina feat. No need to reinvent the wheel. Then add in a bunch of non-magic utility stuff that you can use whenever. It shouldn't be /that/ hard. How can they fuck up this badly?

>>52330917
Or I can just ban the ability, ban the class, or ban the subsystem because if this is their idea of handing martial versatility I want no part of it.

>>52330922
playing in /pfg/ games

>>52330893

>Sparkling lemonade

What are you, from Andoren?

Only the Avowed can save us from Spheres of Might now.

>>52330928
>why didn't they just use Combat Stamina

a question that I ask myself every time martial shit comes up

>>52330945
Does he defend it or just do it?

>>52330971
Implicit endorsement, at the very least.

I don't know, I don't pay attention to DHB

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>>52330919

Reflected blade style is very much enough to take out two key, high-CR enemies while under the benefit of a damage stance and while using a multiattack strike.

For a good example, consider a 5th-level initiator using elemental flux stance, rapid strike, and reflected blade style. This does not even require Path of War 1.

>>52330928
>How can they fuck up this badly?
Ssalarn on the team, closing down comments, scaring people off with PLAYTESTING ETIQUETTE...

>>52330987
Would Reflected Blade Style be fixed if it only mirrored your first attack in a strike?

>>52331012

To be fair, they have repeatedly said google doc comments are extremely inefficient for doing this shit in and to take long comments to the forum.

>>52331012
Playing devil's advocate, looks like at least one poster on the forums was commenting that 2hu's doc flooding was scaring them off as well.

Doesn't make it any less retarded, but I can kind of see where he's coming from.

As long as Jolly remains, there is still hope in SoM.

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>>52331015

No, because that still leaves it compatible with the likes of Scarlet Throne's Sense Motive strikes.

Reflected blade style should copy over the second attack with some sort of downgrade, such as halved damage and 2 less save DC.

>>52331050

Initially, even very short comments were being immediately resolved by Ssalarn. No, they were not reposts.

That new app for PLD is cute!

>>52331079
Which makes a lot more sense, come to think of it. You're sending a reflection of yourself to hit them, it should deal reduced damage.

>>52331101
>Final group ends up being 4 non-/pfg/ normals
>They're all girls
>Vult is also a girl
>None of them are lesbians

>>52330950
No, but I'm a wealthy princess who's spoiled sweet and gets what she wants from the kitchen staff. So it's all good.

>>52331128
>final group ends up being 4 guys
>they're all fujoshis
>Vult is a fujoshi

>>52331128

I feel a vague sense of unease when I say the only mental image I can gather from that grouping is something out of BLACKED

>>52330987
Yes, and path of war provides many alternatives to dealing with that
>Energy resistance 5, reduces damage each enemy takes by 10
>Enemies with higher initiative so they can throw counters back
>Positioning so you can't get the combo off in round
Even if you're running a high dex build, you get what, 1d10+14 before stance with a +10 to the attack roll on the weapon damage roll at level 5 tops? You'll be missing around 25% of the time against a CR 4 enemy who on average have 40 HP, which means a 50/50 chance of taking two out on your first attack.

>>52331132

How's it feel being spoiled rotten? Nobody's going to praise you on the road!