Warhammer 40k general

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For Cadia!

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Posting in this thread since the last one got nuked.

Fascist Space Marine anon again. How's this for a color scheme? I've decided on naming them the Iron Eagles. They're strictly Chapter compliant except for the fact that they worship the State as God. They also love chaplains and have their own secret police force who kill any of their citizens who don't seem like they love the State as much as they do.

Any ideas on what their tactics would be? I'm thinking a heavy focus on vehicles and Blitzkrieg but I also have never played Loyalists before.

>>52337349
>and is making it worth playing
>AoSofication
>worth playing

>>52337349
I realised that most of my anger due 8ed was mostly because I'll need to re read the whole rules instead of just the few changes between editions, so I'll try to have an open mind and expect the best from this changes.

But then again
>trusting GW

Anons, can you please rate my list? What should I get with my 35 extra points?

1500 Blood Axes Blitzkrieg

•HQ
-Warboss, 60
+'Eavy Armour, 4
+Power Klaw, 25
+Da Finkin' Kap, 10
+Attack Squig, 15
+Kombi-Rokkit, 5
+Boss Pole, 5
Total, 124

-Painboy, 50
+Grot Orderly, 5
Total, 55

•Elites
-Nobz, 54
+7 Nobz, 126
+'Eavy Armour, 40
+4 Kombi-Rokkit, 20
+3 Power Klaw, 75
+7 Big Choppa, 35
+Waaagh! Banner, 20
Total, 370

•Dedicated Transport
-Battlewagon, 110
+Boarding Plank, 15
+Reinforced Ram, 5
+Big Shootas, 20
+Kannon, 10
Total, 160

•Troops
-3xBoyz, 60 (180)
+2 Boyz, 12
+Boss Nob, 10
+Power Klaw, 25
+Boss Pole, 5
Total, 112 (336)

•Dedicated Transport
-3xTrukk, 30 (90)
+Reinforced Ram, 5
+Boarding Plank, 15
+Rokkit Launcha, free
Total, 50 (150)

•Fast Attack
-2xBlitza-Bommer, 270

Total, 1465

>>52337428
Linking >>52337499

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>reading previous thread
>Someone's talking about turning Sisters of Battle into 'Digga Wives'
>mfw pic related

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Just how terrible? Where I do I spend my last 15 points? I'm thinking of upgrading to Klaivex for eating challenges, and maybe either just tossing a haywire grenade on the Archon, it maybe Aethersails on their ride.

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For Guilliman's Xenos Girlfriend!

>>52337428
>nuked
The old thread is still perfectly fine and should be used until it reaches page 8+.

Shit like what this cultist-chan fag has been doing all day will eventually just lead to threads being deleted. It wouldn't be the first time.

>>52337510
I'd give the nobz with kombi-rokkits and warboss ammo runts. I think you can also get some mek gunz if you drop the boarding planks. The trukks are generally considered a temperary thing so the less you invest in them the less it hurts to lose them.

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>>52337520
What can Sternguard do? Also I fixed the scheme and I think I like this a little better.

I miss last weekend.

Back in those days at least our OPs weren't just shitposts filled with bad """""""""jokes"""""""""".

When will things finally normalize again and the threads be used until they die off?

>>52337656
I think that's an improvement as well. Perhaps have the wings on the chest be a white/silver as well to help break things up, but it seems pretty good.

As for Sternguard, they have various types of special ammo for their bolters (Hellfire rounds, Kraken bolts, etc.) Pretty much what you'd expect from a special ops team.

>>52337717
Probably after 8th ed releases and people either drop the hobby or get over it.

>>52337656
Sternguard can take a wide array of Special and Heavy weapons, Combi-Weapons and have special Bolter ammo for fighting different enemies. They're basically a Command Squad but dropping the alrounder options and buffs in favour of maximum shootingpower.

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>>52337625
Ammo Runts seem like they'd be a good idea. I want to keep the Boarding Planks because if they do get close enough to charge, then they'll help get a nice distance, with a 4" minimum, and 14" maximum being pretty nice. I was thinking about maybe taking a Mekboy or two to make sure the Warboss' ride was nice and safe, as well as just for their pretty cool gear.

If I take 1 Mekgun, which should I take? The AA one and the Kustom Mega Kannon seem like good ideas, or maybe the Smasha Gun.

>>52337656
Blood Ravens/10
>>52337717
>When will things finally normalize again and the threads be used until they die off?
Never?

>>52337766
>never
At least not until this idiot making the last few threads gets bored I suppose.

Kinda wish mods would just show some presence and blast these early general threads.

I got a question about these new morale changes. So if I got a squad of guardsmen with a leadership of 7 and 7 guardsmen die, am I always guaranteed to lose a guardsman and potentially up to 6 more? I feel like the new rules for morale as I understand them pretty much eliminate all those cool moments where a few dudes rally or refuse to break and do something heroic. The morale change doesn't seem to be taken too poorly so I imagine it is fixing something from 7th edition. Can anyone explain why this is being changed? Not trying to harp on it mind you, just asking to understand.

>>52337762
If you don't expect flyers I'd go with the mega kannon, extra can never go wrong with extra ap2 for Orks and they can threaten enemy armor in a pinch.

>>52337817
oh jese, meant extra ap2 can never go wrong with Orks*

>>52337798
>Kinda wish mods would just show some presence and blast these early general threads.
Dude....
>>52337803
>Can anyone explain why this is being changed?
Why not?

>>52337762
traktor cannon if your list would struggle vs flyers

mega kannon if you struggle vs 2+ saves.

>>52337803
Why? Not sure. Probably to generally buff hordes a bit. Nothing worse than blobs losing morale turn 1 and running off the board because 4 guys died or something. They'll have to readjust Leadership scores anyway.

I've pointed it out yesterday, but the current scored break the system for any unit with 3 models and a 7+ Ld score. Kill 1? D6+1 is at max 7, so no morale fail. Kill 2? At worst the unit is cleared if you roll a 6. Have 8 Ld? Only way to break morale is by losing 3 models, which means the unit is kill anyway.

>>52337817
Yeah, that sounds like a good idea to me! My plan is to fish for the Master of Ambush and Tactical Genius warlord traits for my Warboss so that him, his Nobz, Painboy, and Battlewagon, along with the 3 units of Boyz Infiltrate alongside him and are able to nearly guarantee the Bommers coming in T2.

>>52337835
It's all cool, mate!

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>>52337656

R8 my list I used to crush my brother's Necrons today

Chaos Space Marines- Iron Warriors Legion Rules
1650 pts
HQ:
>Chaos Lord- 123 pts
-Fleshmetal Exoskeleton
-Siegebreaker Mace
-Combi-Bolter
-VOTLW

Troops:
>CSMx10-165 pts
-Plasma Gun
-Heavy Bolter

>CSMx10- 165 pts
Same load

>CSMx10- 200 pts
Same load
+Rhino

>CSMx9- 193 pts
-8x CCW
-Power Maul
-Rhino

>Cultistsx20- 127 pts
-17x Autoguns
-2x Heavy Stubbers

Elites:

>Terminators x5- 226 pts
-2x Chainfists
-3x Power Mauls
-4x Combi-Melta
-Reaper autocannon

Heavy Support:

>Vindicator- 125 pts
-Combi-Bolter

>Vindicator-125 pts
-Combi-Bolter

Worked really well with our terrain, which has a couple of bunkers and lots of cover on it to deploy infantry on and have gun fights. My lord rides with the unit of 9 CSM in the Rhino. Terminators are deep striking. Worked really nicely today and even managed to wipe a 10 man Necron Warrior squard with my cultists!

>>52337864
So does that mean a squad with Leadership 10 and only 5 models is also never going to break?

>>52337896
Don't bring Cawl to a 1,000 point game unless you want nobody to play against you.

>>52337845
What? Last thread was created while the one before that was on page 6 and the one before THAT was still just barely on page 10. That kind of shit is not how generals are meant to go and is way too fucking soon. Having 2 parallel threads because the new one was early enough to not have the old one die in the next hour is one thing. Having 3 because the one from 3 hours ago is still not deleted? That's just fucking stupid.

>>52337766
>>52337872
Color schemes are a lot harder than I thought ;_;

What if this is an elaborate precursor to april fools?

>>52337803
Think of it this way. They're basically replacing moments where the entire squad is falling back with you occasionally having a dude scamper away or a bunch run off instead. More key, if your guardsmen are holding a position, they'll continue to hold it so long as some of the guys are left. This makes them less likely to get entirely swept in combat.

Plus, you'll have to consider that most armies will probably have some way to mitigate this. I'd imagine Guard will be able to get commisars to cap the number of fleeing guys at 1 a lot of the time.

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How's this look? First time doing anything with AdMech so go easy on me. What's the best way to get it to 1,000? Either by adding more wargear or more units.

deleted my old post because I forgot to change the onager

>>52337903
Effectively, yes. Basically, if 6+model count is not at least 2 above the Ld score they would never break until they're all dead, if my math is correct.

>>52337911
>What?
Mods will never tounch AoS posters.

>>52337926
April fools will be that squats and/or tomb kings are coming back, gw is too lazy to create an april fools joke on that level, unless you count the 7ed nid and ork codex as that

>>52337918
May be your previous?
Also, may be some other tyoe of Red?

>>52337869
Wait a minute, that's literally your entire army not counting the flyers.

That's some tactical genius right there! Infiltrating an entire WAAAGH! of Boyz and Nobz with their trukks and Battlewagons? Genius, I tell you!

>>52337943

My response is still >>52337909

Also if you're running 10 man squads you may as well put the 3rd special weapon on the vanguard squad. Don't run rangers with the sniper in a 10 man squad, you're current setup means you'd have 8 guys sitting in the back with their thumbs up their asses while the snipers shoot at things. Really I'd just go with arc rifles. Also I wouldn't bother with an arc pistol on the vanguard alpha. A single haywire shot isn't really worth it, no point in mixing plasma and haywire.

>>52337942
I think a lot of the fear also comes from units with fearless, zealot, or ATSKNF and how morale will affect them. I know I'm kind of scared for my Rubrics. They were already fucked if they got charged, but if the new rules are true then they won't be able to even tarpit.

>>52337943
Drop the Arquebi , first off. They're unfortunately very bad and outclassed by the alternstives in every way.

Adding Ironstriders/Dragoons to fill always works. More Vanguard also never hurt. You could also use Cawl as the Dominus Maniple Tech-Priest and save yourself those points, the just add more Skittles using a Skitarii Maniple. Pretty much their entire codex is decent so just going with what you like the most is usually fine. Keep in mind that, generally speaking, Infiltrators > Ruststalkers and Dragoons > Ballistarii.

Also, I'd consider using Cawl at 1000 points pretty serious cheese since there is barely anything able to kill or even seriously hurt him. Unless your enemy beings D or Force weapons, expect to virtually never lose him.

>>52337950
I'm still not sold on this new leadership stuff, though I suppose it'll work out. On the one hand, I like that small squads don't have to load up on extra bodies just to edge out what counts as 25%. For hordes, the extra casualties will be annoying, but it feels like most of the time it'll be better, since rather than falling back you're just removing a few guys from the back of the unit and continuing to advance.

>>52337988
>>52338015
Thanks

>>52337943
admech here. you going comp or casual?

comp: i'd drop the plasma and toss on x3 arc on both squads. should give you enough for x5 Rangers or close to it

>>52338002
According to what we've heard, they're doing this in order to make morale mean something, so you can pretty much assume that Fearless and things like it either won't exist, or will be replaced by something new.

>>52338015
Cawl can replace a tech priest dominus for the dominus maniple? I though it had to be the priest?

>>52338036
Casual, but not bad on purpose. I'm not planning on playing in tournaments, just games at the local shop mostly. But I also don't want to build in a shitty way.

>>52338060
>Casual
Don't take Cawl in 1k point games.

Tbqh, I wouldn't take any of the Triumvirate characters in a casual game. They're too good.

>>52338026
It's actually far worse for elite squads once they adjust things, which they'll need to do since they can't have units like basic 5 man Skitarii troops with a 9 Ld Alpha be near unbreakable while any unit with a character and 5 dudes will just be plain unbreakable. It'd throw balance off to the very deep end.

>>52338069
Mmm, fair enough. I just put him in there because I have him and I needed to fill points.

Where can I find some rules for 8th edition? Saw something about square bases for it and the thought of it makes me want to bawl my eyes out.

>>52338060
Cawl (and Greyfax, but that's irrelevant for you) can replace their generic counterpart in any formation. You can even have a Holy Requisitioner and Deep Strike him in, for example.

That said, really make sure with your opponent if it's alright to bring him in that range. He won't have much fun if he enjoys actually killing your units.

>>52338060
Cawl can explicitly replace a dominus in any formation.

>>52338079
Just take more vanguard or some dragoons. Or both, you've got plenty of points to work with and skitarii are cheap.

>>52338097
Check the Community website. They have an Adepticon post with everything.

>>52338046
Combined with the charger goes first, non-melee elite units are looking more and more vulnerable.

>>52338097
maybe go to the community site where they put all teaser information

>>52338116
So would you recommend taking one squad of rangers and a couple of squads of vanguards?

>>52338097
Anybody reporting the square bases as serious are genuinely retarded.
https://youtu.be/7dl0OtWqCa0

>>52338046
Probably a modifier to the save or be much rarer.

I could imagine something like Zealot or ATSKNF to just subtract like 2 from the roll or change the D6 to a D3.

>>52338130
Vanguards are significantly better than rangers but if you really want to run rangers they aren't terrible. I'd really suggest running them at minimum size though. Skitarii are pretty squishy so you want to force your opponent to have to spread out their fire or waste wounds.

>>52338130
Usually a good idea, yeah. Vanguard need many bodies to reach their destination and usually make their points back while Rangers provide much needed ranged shots.

>>52338161
>>52338168
Okay that's good to know. So would it be worth taking Arquebi in a 5 man squad ranger squad for ranged support, or should I just leave them with galvanic rifles? Could go arc as well I guess but they'd lose some range.

How viable is a list with 7 great unclean ones

>>52338226
A single five man squad with aruebi isn't terrible. They aren't amazing but they can pop light vehicles reasonably well, though arc rifles are just all around better than them even if they have less range. Really the 60" range is overkill on most boards, especially at 1000pts.

>>52338267
One final question: What bits designate a Ranger Alpha (does he get like a special helmet or something?), and does a single box come with bits to make two? I know you're only supposed to get one per box but maybe there's options like the tactical squad coming with two non-helmeted heads.

Asking so that I could buy a box of 10 and make two squads of 5, one with 2 arqs and one with two arcs.

>>52338125
Thanks.
>>52338138
And thank the emperor that isn't true.

>>52338226
Just save yourself the 20 points and give them 2 Arcs instead. They have Move Through Cover anyway, so you'll want them dashing across the table a lot, usually much close to the enemy than what Arquebi would want, while being able to easily flank vehicles and seize points. The Haywire shots will be great against vehicles while Plasma kills any MCs and characters, so Arquebi are pretty obsolete as they only have Ap 3 as well and thus don't get a bonus on armor pen results.

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>>52337918
How about this variant?

>>52337893
>2 Relics when the rules specifically say you may only take ONE
Dipshits like you were breaking the rules in 3.5 making 250pt rape train Daemon Princes and wondering why we got smacked with nerfs

>>52338319
There are unhooded heads and melee weapons. I just use either of those for Alphas or to designate a model using the Omnispex, since I don't like that bit.

>>52338319
IIRC there isn't really anything about the ranger alphas unlike the vanguards which have different helmets, though there is a set of arms you can use. You can have one guy resting his galvanic rifle on his shoulder and his other hand pointing. It works well enough for making him stand out, alternatively you can do something with paint to make him stand out.

>>52338341
Show me where it specifically refers to "Orkimedes kustom gubbinz" as relics :^)

>>52338358
>>52338371
Cool, I'll go with two 5 man ranger squads then and put the rest into vanguard squads. Thanks friends.

>>52338358
I always forget the unhooded heads exist.

>>52338333
Oh I actually like this a lot anon! Do you mind if I use it?

>>52338398
I think there's only one per box anyway.

Though for some reason they also decided that the Dragoon kit needs 4 or 5 different fucking heads when there's already like 14 in the normal Skitarii box.
Should've just kept those heads for themselves and made the Dragoon kits 10 bucks cheaper.

>>52338373
>CSM
>"Orkimedes kustom gubbinz"
What? Shitpost is too obscure.

>>52338422
*24

>>52338421
Not at all! I'd be glad if you do so. Happy to help.

>>52338333

> Gilding armour, 200 gp.

>>52338161
Rangers might turn out to be better when 8th hits since their rifles actually have decent ap.

>>52338333
Is there a color editor like this for skitarii?

>>52338422
You mean you don't like spending $50 for a 45 point model?

>>52338461
*angry beeping noises*

>>52338447
>You'll never be 13 again sitting in your dad's office at 2am grinding thieving so you can do Desert Treasure

>>52338455
I don't know if it will make them better but probably make them more even at least. So long as toughness is still a thing vanguards have the advantage of doing two wounds and ignoring toughness.

>>52338490
>mfw 23 grinding thieving at 1am in my own office

>>52338333
Hey anon, don't make the underarmor bits a color that isn't black.

Trust me.

>>52338501
Don't have the math at hand, but aren't Galvanic Rifles and Rad Carbines evening out in terms of wounding anyway? Though that Bolters and Rads were about the same chance to wound and Galvanics are effectively Bolter statted.

Main advantage of Rads is obviously free extra wounds and being able to easily kill even MCs through sheer numbers.

>>52338457
Sadly no. I've only ever seen the SM one.

>>52338530
The soft armor parts? That's fine, I'm certainly not married to it. Just a bitch to paint, or what?

>>52338541
Having golden underpants is just silly is all, really.

>>52338341
My brother and I don't use that rule. Never have. Fuck the FAQ

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>>52338490
>>52338515

>>52338549
Taking it away kinda just makes it look discount BT's.

>>52338551
Anon, you could never take more than one.

>>52338570
Maybe try making them light grey and the currently white parts gold?
Looks like a Sword Brother already anyway.

>>52338536
Basically the rule for Rad Phage could be +1 to to-wound rolls and always wounds on 5+ at least. Only against t4 sv4+ guys in open and at 15" are ranger rifles better. And thats pretty niche ability to have.

>>52338536
Even without the 6s to wound vanguards come out slightly higher than rangers rapid firing purely due to the volume of hits. Granted Rangers have a huge advantage in range. Shot for shot Galvanic rifles are better slightly, but Rad Carbines just put out so many shots.

>>52338602
Well, since the theme was fashy marines, I was trying to go for an SS kinda look, but yeah, I'm sorta running into Templar territory.

If I color shift all the white to gold maybe it'll be a bit better.

>>52338625
If you really want to nail that fashy look, try kaki/light brown with red shoulder trims and black shoulders.

Are there scans/epub of the Custodes/SoS "codexes" yet? I have a few pages from SoS, but the full book would be nice. I really want to throw together a cadre of SoS for my SoB for some solid Anti-Psyker capabilities without having to rely on psykers.

>>52337798
>when you're this much of a fag

So what are the chances we actually end up with two generals like the fantasy faggots?

>>52338798

Pretty low, most 40Kbots just slurp down that GW semen.

>>52338758
>defending new threads on page 5

>>52338724
Not really but sword-sos are 65 and bolter/flamer are 75. Rhino is 45. Squad leaders +10pts.

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>>52338637
Thoughts?

>>52338810

Compared to the WHFBcucks who still support GW indirectly by sticking to their dead system instead of just quitting entirely if AoS is such an insult?

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>>52338828
>>52338637

>>52338834

Give me a call when the 8th Age gets set up.

>>52338828
Bit too green, but getting closer to actual Wehrmachts colors. Suppose what you could do is only make one trim red for that authentic Nazi uniform look, but that'd look a bit silly I suppose.

Could use the brown colors for regular dudes and black with red for the sergeants (since the officers back then also usually wore black leather coats).

>>52337959
>unless you count the 7ed nid and ork codex as that
>7e nid codex
The one we never got?

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off to bed, thought i'd share my Cawl WIP

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>>52338909

Ugh... anon... that paint scheme really isn't selling it.

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>>52338909
more importantly, here's a pic of the roomba-bot doggo i created for him

>>52338828
>>52338841
Now that I like.

>>52338909
Oh boy, those are some brave color choices.

Got an example of a finished model with that scheme? Looks like a puked mess in the current half-done state and curious how it works out when finished.

>>52338909
Maybe it's just because it's WIP, but that color scheme is hideous.

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>>52338922
the bright flash saturates it far more than it is and the washes that'll come later finish it off better than it looks now.

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I have a dream
Where the rules support fair and balanced play allowing for multiple competive builds in each army supported to some small degree by the canon.
I have a dream
Little boys won't have to scroll through obscure forum posts and misleading youtube videos detailing the best builds only to be tabled by grognards at their lgs not by skill, but by an abuse of the force org chart, thereby wasting their precious allowance.
I have a dream
GW will charge FAIR prices for their kits and package effective fighting forces in a bundle at a lower cost than buying them seperate.
I have a dream
learning the rules and strategies will be a fun and exciting experience for all. With a swift learning curve.
I have a dream
That the current fluff and meta won't get assraped to the warp for the sake of enticing players who won't give a shit anyway.
I have a dream 40k can return to the xenophobic distopian wartorn apocalypse we all grew up loving
I have a dream

>>52338944
Can't tell much from that picture, but I'm relieved that it at least looks much better when finished for sure.

Would've gone all-out on the bases with a swamp theme though.

>>52338909

Shouldn't have used such a desaturated military green

>just hit me
>the "here Chaos, have a playable army for the first time since 3rd
>LOL JKS WE'RE RADICALLY CHANGING THE RULES IN 8TH AND NOW YOUR ENTIRE ARMY IS INVALID

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>>52338886
Actually, Waffen SS field uniforms made use of Field Grey equipment and camouflage smocks and coverings, such as pic related.

Interestingly enough, Field Grey was a dull green!

>>52338991
>assuming things just to make an effortless, pointless shitpost
Contributions like yours always fill me with glee.

>>52338991
>LOL JKS
please show yourself >>>/out/

>>52338977
it might not be so bad if the purple was only on the carapace plating instead of the feets as well.

>>52338997
Yes, of course. But I was more thinking of the typical off-duty and parade style uniforms in brown, since camo in 40k only ever looks alright on IG.

>>52338976
>cant tell much

i rarely make effort to take a good picture and my phone came isn't so hot. admittedly, the purple/green was a departure from what i usually do. i did pick it partially due to it being slightly on the ugly side.

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>>52338827

The points are hard to see on my screens but
>Sword option is cheaper
Wow. That's a legitimately solid option. 100pts flat for what, 15 I4 S4 Ap2 attacks on the charge? I suppose no assault vehicle is a problem.

I'm really not sure why bolter and flamers are the same price, though. Honestly, not complaining. 75 pts for 5 flamers is actually really cheap, 15pts cheaper than SoB AND have the option to get more.

Also, you didn't mention this part, so I'll post it for anyone else interested. What I find strange is that there are no warlord traits for SoS, but there are for Custodes.

Regardless, I'll happily pay 330ps to negate all warp charges within 27" of my SoS.

>>52339035
>knowingly picking ugly colors for the purpose of having ugly colors on your models

May I ask: what the fuck?

>>52339058
they come from an ugly world.

>>52339047
>want to use SoS because models and rules are sweet
>local tourneys don't allow allies
>nobody I casually play with has any Psykers whatsoever

Man this sucks.

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Anyone have any idea on what paints I should use to get light green Orks like in the pic?

>>52339088
a light green

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Alright boys. Picked up a DA vet squad to make a command squad for Ezekial.

What should I make combi meltas or plasmas?

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>>52339023
Oi.

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>>52339023
>ever only looks alright on IG
Da Blood Axes will krump ya for that, ya git!

>>52339164
>>52339167
>Orkmind
That said, that's not even military forest camo like posted earlier.

>>52339140
Do you hate heretics enough that you're willing to kill yourself to make them deader than dead or are you just a punk bitch?

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>>52339190

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This is just a hypothetical that I know probably won't work out too well or anything.
Assuming I were to run it in a casual setting though, how well would it do?

>>52339077

Ally them anyway. SoS with Greatswords mulch most things without SS, and flamer squads are dirt cheap for what get. Just bring 5 or 6 SoS cadres and set the world on fire while making anything with psykers flail about wildly. If you're allowed, use fortifications to supplant your lack of AT. Failing that, RAMMING SPEED!

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>>52339196
Good point.

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>>52339209
>>52339190
Whoops wrong pic.

Dis un's a Battlewagon too!

>>52339213
>one of each new tzeentch unit
>999pts
>36 models 3+6=9

Tzeentch has blessed your army. Have fun with it.

>>52339214
The thing is that using multiples of a detachment/formation is also not allowed, since it's only 850 and things could get out of hand with formation spam. I'd have to bring 3 of their squads up to 850 points to be allowed to field them. The only exception to that rule are AdMech.

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>>52339224
My man.

>>52339236
>inb4 Death Guard's new units end up with 34 models for 777 points if you take one of each

It'd be pretty sweet.

>>52339213
Don't take an Exalted unless you REALLY want that extra wound or you want a melee beast.

>>52339101
Thanks anon for the help

bout to start the 3rd book of the HH and I gotta ask, wtf is the Warmaster's problem?

Are there no movies/comic books in the 31st millennium? It should be obvious that the future he is trying to prevent could also be caused by his actions in the first place.
Magnus even tells him as much but he still decides to listen to Erebitch even though he was masquerading as Sejanus?
Also after the 3rd book I heard HH starts splitting up into different perspectives of the same time frames for the next 20 books or so
Can I skip ahead to Mechanicum and then 1ksons/Prospero (whichever the HH ones were) books without missing too much? Any other gems in that list I should read?

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>>52339265
>the level of plot armour required for Azrael to ever beat Kharn

>>52337943

Well it's not terrible. I will generally advocate MSU personally as an admech player, but there isn't anything necessarily wrong with it. Assuming you took the arquebus for anti-vehicle you may have better luck with arc rifles depending on the table size. Arquebus tend to be pretty poor against anything heavier than a transport, and even then you want side armor. Getting that is difficult.

The space marine scout models are so awful. The proportions are weird, the shotgun arms have difficulty fitting together well, and their heads look like jocks with down syndrome, and generally remind me of a piece of toast.

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>>52339285
Just because Azreal is not some hyped up fgt like Calgar Dante or Fur Fag prime does not mean he can't wipe the floor with some half assed chaos cunt with anger issues.

>>52339285
It's not like Kharn isn't known for his own level of plot armor, he has literally solo'd a knight.

>>52339285
Good thing he just ran away then.

>>52339265
I want that sweet bullpup combi-bolter

>>52339309
To be fair, table-top wise Khârn really can solo a Knight pretty easily, iirc.

>>52339253

I'm sure there could be an exception for SoS considering how limited they are. They literally can't field a CAD. There's a tournament near me with Highlander style rules, which means you can't repeat units, and can't take a second troop until you've taken a FA, Elite, and heavy. Obviously, Sisters would have to take a second troop, which they did. If you really want to run SoS for an 850 tournament, ask the TO. I highly doubt SoS taking more SoS would break anything.

Otherwise, you're looking at like 600pts of maxed out SoS

>>52339303
>half assed chaos cunt with anger issues
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1RIjh_4XqG4OJksFRirNzpDYykGt5Dj-KuL1Y3fVp4NE/edit?usp=sharing

>>52338161

I would contest that point. I do not believe vanguard to be better than rangers. The increased range on the rangers in addition to the move through cover special rule make them quite usefull. Rangers will already be starting to shoot at a point when your vanguard will still have to take another turn or so to get in range. Furthermore at the vanguards optimal range of 18 they only beat out rangers by one shot. Precision shots on the galvanic riffles will let you pop special weapons as well. The only advantage that Vanguard get is that their cancer guns will always cause a wound on a 6. They both have their place, but I would not say that either is objectively superior to the other, simply that they have different utilities.

I think the Tau should have Dyson Spheres/Swarms, finished or in construction, in the next edition.

>>52339365
there are already kroot warspheres if i'm not mistaken, dyson spheres would fit in fluff wise

>>52339285
>>52339317
Yeah, Azzy was stalling the fight as hard as he could of cause Kharn's a mean bitch.

>>52339365
Dyson Spheres are probably somewhat beyond their resources. They do have orbital cities already so Dyson swarms might not be totally out of the question.

>>52339424

We could build one by dissembling Mercury and Venus in one or three centuries. There's already a plan an large-scale automation and nanotech makes it within their reach.

>>52339349
Vanguards don't always just cause a wound on a 6, they cause two. It's mostly this and the fact that they are cheaper that makes them better. I'm not sure what you mean by vanguards only beating rangers by one shot. At 18 inches a squad of five rangers fires 5 shots, a squad of 5 vanguards fires 18. Rangers hit about 3 to 4, Vanguards hit about 10.

I hope the gorkanaut gets better

I hope the morkanaut gets better

>>52339469

Rapid fire at 15, which is admittedly 3 inches shorter but by the time you get your vanguard into 18 you can probably get your rangers into 15. I suppose I should have been clearer about that. Most of your vanguard are going to die to the 24inch and greater weapons before they get in range tbqh, so that really doesn't matter all that much to me.

>>52339494
fuck mork

>>52339424

Dyson megastructures take 25/50 years of construction. Find a rocky planet with a big iron core and mine it, planet-crack it, until is nothing but debris. The process is exponential, each year that passes you have more energy to accelerate the construction.

>>52339520
fuck gork

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>>52339520
>2012+5
>Preferring gork to mork

>>52339552
gork is so killy that mork would be dead before he could even be klever

>>52339552
FUCK GORK? ILL FOKKEN ZOG U M8 U WOT GORK IS DA GREENEST AN DA BESTEST

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>>52338551
>me and my brother are autists who ignore rules when we want to

>>52339572
mork is so klever that gork would be dead before he could even be killy

>>52338909
>>52338923
Oh man i nearly did this. His little scuttlebot is so cute

>>52339500
I've personally never had any issue getting vanguards into range unless it's against eldar jetbikes or the like. Rangers were pretty clearly designed with supporting a large number of vanguards in mind. With Vanguards being cheaper even if some die on the march forward there's plenty left to do more than enough damage. Also my opponents tend to focus fire on the dragoons running at them over the squads of tin men.

>>52339591
say that to me gob and not online and see what happens git

>>52339591
Gork is so killy that mork would be ded before he could be klever

>>52339572
>>52339574

EKCEPT MORK WUD BE SO KLEVER HE CUD ZOG GORK BUFOR GORK CUD GET PIK UP HIS SHOOTA! MORK IS DA MEANEST AND DA KLEVERIEST!

>>52339609
id knock ur teef out iz wot id do

den id knock ur nobz teef out too becos 'es puny like u

>>52339603

I'm only just starting to get my dragoons, and I will admit that they do really change things. In my previous experience my vanguard always got deleted before they could do very much and I eventually came to the personal belief that rangers were often superior, but this may change now that my table has changed.

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>>52339626

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>>52339638
>Bird fags in this thread
Keep posting em

>>52339626
>>52339618
>>52339614
>>52339609
>>52339591
>>52339574
>>52339572
>>52339571
>>52339552
>>52339520
>NoT PrAsiNg GoRkAMorKa
GiTz DiZ DaYz

>>52339632
Admittedly it also depends on how you do your deployment zones. If there's only a 24" no mans land then you can get into that 18" pretty quickly with the scout movement and your normal movement unless they deploy everything at the very back of their deployment zone.

>>52339336
That was epic

>>52339698
D6 warp charges, nigga.

>>52339723
Yeah, I realized I messed up as soon as I hit post so I deleted.

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>>52339320
I know they won't ever but I really wish they'd make a sweet new azrael like he looks in that art. He's such a lovable, smug douche.

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Any models what would work as chosen chaos space marines?

I don't wanna buy more of the dark vengeance models.

Just look on ebay.

Prob tons of DA players that don't want them.

>>52339818

Isn't there a box for chaos space marines?

>>52339818

If you use plastic HH models, normal CSM make fantastic chosen.

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>Held off any 40k purchases for like 6+months cus i know 8th is just round the corner
>New DG and Morty models
>"Leaked" rules are more AoS
This is hell, i just want a World Eater army and these new assault rules sound fun

HURRY THE FUCK UP GW I JUST WANT TO WORSHIP KHORNE

>>52339213
It's shit, and you already know that it's shit.

>>52339336

>Erebus gets his shit pushed in

I've only read the first three books, so that was extremely satisfying.

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>>52339948
Would it at least potentially be fun?

>>52337510
Drop the uge choppas on any Ork with a slugga. The extra attack is better or basically the same against anything you aren't going to PK.

Put riggas on the wagon, drop planks from the trukks. Too expensive for your death traps, keep them cheap. Best upgrade to a trukk is a second spare trukk. Rams are good though.

Consider evy on trukkboyz, it stops squads disintegrating when their ride inevitably explodes.

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>>52339818
Use word bearers gal vorbak

>tfw debating getting cheap Gangs of Com Hellions and running a cloud of 20

It will be shit, but I can't help but imagine it would be funny shit. Like, my opponent would have waste resources into dealing with a 195pt cloud of ass.

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>>52339861
They'll probably get released this year with all the shit happening now, God I want to be optimistic about 8ed but deep down I know this won't be a proper update but a 4 page rulebook.

Why so many butthurt grognards?

>>52340047
To be fair anon, AoS works well with a "4 page book"
If 40k can be the medium of HH and AoS i'd be happy

>>52340084
The game theyve invested years and thousands of dollars into is no longer going to exist

>>52340088
I won't lie to you, I didn't like it and I still don't like it, I'll wait second edition when it gets proper rules instead of a cereal box game set of rules, AoS still have a lot issues regarding the game and it's obvious that GW is still trying to fix the obviously rushed release of AoS.

>>52340088
>>52340119
Also that statement is a lie, the four page rulebook needed an obscene quantity of patchwork to prevent that ship from sinking, the general's book was a: yeah we fucked up with the no points and just use whatever you want army.

>>52340119
Game is still far less bogged down and full of retarded rules, bloat and old designs on the rules than 40k though. Current edition is shite.

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>>52340148
There needs to be a balance between bloated game rules and bare bones shit though.

And everyone in AoS general is a cunt to me just because I play old dorfs.

How sneaky. Gdubs took down the original death guard reveal video and replaced it with the mistaken 7th legion line removed.

>>52339970
Probably not. Drop the Rubricae down to 5 men, swap the Exalted for a pair of regular ML3 Sorcs with Familiars.

>>52340148
Yes you might be right, but a four page rulebook isn't not the solution, far from it.

>>52339992
but anon those work better as possessed

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>>52340212
>isn't not
Time to sleep

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Thoughts?
Have a buddy going Carchadons for the same points value, and seeing these new leaks seems fun

Using Red Butchers as Termies, hence the 2 CFs

So riptides can shoot then assault now disregarding initiative?
Great.

>>52340267
Just beware auto cannons, they're basically ap2 now.

>>52340294
Seriously?
Sounds like the Death Guard Vectorium just got infinitely better

>>52340294
>Still spreading misinformation some anon made up

>>52340294
Yeah and standard of devastation is coming back also.

inb4 the game becomes parking lot hammer again

>>52340088
>AoS works well with a "4 page book"
Nope.

>>52340168
Because you are whinning cuck

>>52340325
The Guard will rise again!

>>52340336
Nah it's because you are a nigger.

>really want to start out as Necron
>but Dark Vengeance has ridiculous value
>end up starting a CSM army
A poorfag's life for me. Probably not the best hobby to get into.

>>52340345
>says Dawi-player who keep begging for update, while he was told to fuck off 2 years ago

>>52340354
you should have gone for the start collecting boxes they all have great savings

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>my army is going to be invalidated less than a year after they completely remade it
thanks geedubs

>>52340355
What the fuck are you talking about?

I don't want a fucking update.

What's the best Warhammer 40K spin off game for some solo playing? Space Hulk? Assassinorum Force?

Preferrably something that doesn't cost me a kidney.
>Space Hulk
Yeah I know...

>>52340366
You can keep using an army until new rules are released for it.

>>52340367
>I don't want a fucking update.
Oh sorry, now I remember you just spammed your shit in general.

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>>52340315
>>52340320
>>52340315
s7 was -4 armour save with the armour modifiers, and the GW preview says that all weapons will have modifiers so it will most likely be the old strength based modifiers, guard and death guard will become Kings of the hill
>scout sentinels units will be deleting units of riptides, terminators, etc.
>mfw

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>>52340361
That's what I was considering, but
>no templates
>no rulebook
>no retardproof HOWTOPLAY booklet
And most importantly
>only one army
I mean at least I can use Dark Vengeance to get a hang of the rules by playing solo.

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New sisters in 8th edition?

>>52340389
>not showing off you army in the dedicated general
What's wrong with AoS fags?

>>52340399
I've heard their Start Collecting will be released right after omb Kings

>>52340399
It's not impossible.

>>52340407
>>52340168
>everyone in AoS general is a cunt

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>>52340399

>>52340407
Nothing, just none likes WHFB players, when they comming with their shit durring discussion of actual things

>>52340390
Indeed it was, but we have no information saying they're going back to that. It is baseless speculation, and even worse, you passed it off as fact to someone ignorant, you twat

>>52340417
Everyone at my GW that plays AoS exclusively almost is a cunt. One guy tries to get people in it, crushes them with sylvaneth and then tells them how its the top tier factions and thyed probably need a different army to beat him.

>>52340434
Well he is right, Sylvaneths are one of the strongest army today

>>52340341
*grey knights will rise again

Henchmen in razorbacks here we come!

>>52340395
I suppose, but that doesn't mean you are locked into CSM or DA. Use them as training wheels and painting practice.

Or end up collecting both like I did

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>>52340412

>>52340421
There is no discussion in those threads beyond complaining about how all is just sigmarines and khorne and recently calling new dwarfs fallout+SC knock offs

>>52340390
>scout sentinels
I have to wonder if the humble multilaser will get better. Hopefully they don't bring back the godawful random shots thing.

>>52340444
>Being that guy

>>52340458
Orks do it, everyone should do it.

>>52340434
you must have a bad GW I guess

I watched an AoS cash tournament in my area and nobody had any super cheese, all the armies were fully painted, and people were friendly towards each other.

>>52339265
>versus
>Kharn isn't even fighting him

>>52340453
Looks like you didn't support your hobby well, pick another army.
>>52340456
>There is no discussion in those threads beyond complaining about how all is just sigmarines and khorne and recently calling new dwarfs fallout+SC knock offs
Lolwut?
Also, this fag >>52340168 starts shitposting right when people discussed new dwarfs

>>52340473
Anon you're in an anonymous board being negative is more believable than your obvious wishful thinking bait.

>>52340473
Of course they were friendly on some official event. The anon's point was about who they actually are.

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>reading up on the Games Workshop page on 1d4chins
>it's just a waterfall of shit and pass until the last part
>suddenly everything has improved, GW started engaging the community more and launching starter sets to more easily draw in players
>it's actually working
>just a quick look at their stock is showing that this was a massive improvement
D-does this mean Games Workshop is good now?

>>52339658
source?

>>52340483
Or I was there all along and shared my strong distaste for autism tier steampunk trash.

Just my opinion desu.

>>52339265
Why is my nigga Kharn getting his shit pushed in? Is this a scene from the books? As far as I know Kharn should be tearing Azrael apart on the tabletop.

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>>52340506
monster musume

>>52340495
>>52340494
it is also worth noting that the tournament was not at a GW store.

so maybe *all* gw store aos players are mean people, idk.

>>52340516
Thanks man :3

spamming deep striking double multimelta land speeders:

a great idea or a horrible one?

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>>52340513
Azrael landed some hits but Kharn dominated the fight and showed profound lack of self awareness by calling Azrael's helmet silly looking.

However, in the fight between Abaddon and Kharn, Abaddon was bitchslapping Kharn around like a two dollar ho.

>>52340543
Better off just MM CCW dread in pods.

>>52340505
>stock means good for players

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>>52340483
>unironically defending steam punk
Shit taste is shit

>>52340513
Azrael just barely manages to hold him off, then runs away trying to find out how he and Kharn got to that location

Also apparently throughout the fight Kharn makes fun of Azrael's "ridiculous helmet"

>>52340532
Watch the uncensored version

>>52340577
>2017
>being salty grognard
hey buddy, look at the OP-post

>>52339140
>Implying you want to give him a shooty squad
Dude, TH/SS Termis, Kannigets or CC vets with Ezek

>>52337504
Don't think of it as trusting GW. Think of it as bracing for impact, so that you can climb out on top and enjoy the experience.

We had a feeling that some form of AOSification was coming because AOS has been doing well. Every time I see Demos of AOS, and 40k run for people back to back they seem to chose AOS 9/10 to go into because they liked how clean the rules play.

Hell I've gotten people into miniatures gaming who wouldn't have otherwise because the games rules are simple to learn, easy to pick up on, and offered a lot of tactical diversity. Getting new players into 40K is important, and lets face it 20-30 year olds (the real gold mines for GW. Old enough to have good jobs but young enough to not have kids) don't want to spend 4 hours playing one game. If they have 4 hours to play they want to get in 2 or 3 games.

From what I found from rumors is the main rules of the game will be something like 10pages long (so nearly triple AOS) so if that rumor is true than game complexity will be between HH and AOS. So lets see how it goes. I'm not trusting this to be perfect, I'm just trusting that it will be playable. Relatively easy to teach new players, and not be slogged down.

>>52340509
>shared my strong distaste for autism tier steampunk trash.
>and he calling people cunt just because they BTFO him from their thread for his shit taste

>>52339088
Looks like he is highlighted with moot green.

I'm not sure what other greens gw has but maybe burgling or Elysian green

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>>52340590
what?

>>52340611
>because AOS has been doing well.
Yeah and we knew it since when exacty?
>AOS
>offered a lot of tactical diversity
Yeah sure.
>the real gold mines for GW. Old enough to have good jobs but young enough to not have kids
>source: my ass

>I'm not trusting this to be perfect,
Yes you are just shilling

>>52340611
reading this stirs up the grognard in me. i wanna play chartmaster now

>>52340608
He is gonna be next to my DW knights with the squad.

Anything gets near then they will OW with BS4 and rape any TEQ/MEQ with plasma

>>52340642
anon posted a chart earlier,today about how AoS is like 4th best selling miniatures wargrame behind XWing, 40k, and Warmachine. WFB hadn't even been in the top 5 since 2013.

Don't mistake the brevity of the rules for a lack of tactical aspects. A glossary of USRs, the clusterfuck that is the psychic phase, maelstrom mission tactical objectives, and a bunch of wording describing challenges does not make 40k tactical

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>>52340612
>Tradition dawi
>Shit taste

AoS newfags everyone.

Now stop shitting up 40k gen with your awful taste.

>>52340689
dwarves have been gone from 40k for ages so will you please kindly fuck off to the WFB general?

>>52340687
>AoS is like 4th best selling miniatures wargrame
And it was revelead less than mounth ago, right?
>A glossary of USRs, the clusterfuck that is the psychic phase, maelstrom mission tactical objectives, and a bunch of wording describing challenges does not make 40k tactical
And how it's related with AoS ruleset flaws?

>>52340698
>dwarves

It's dwarfs numb nuts.

>>52340687
>WFB hadn't even been in the top 5 since 2013.
So it was out of top only on t's last 2 years after 8th edition with poor releases fucked up the game

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>>52340590
This anime is just an excuses for snke sex isnt it? i feel mislead

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>>52340726
Nope. Everyone gets a piece of Darling-kun.

>>52340726
and bird sex, and horse sex, and slime sex, ect.

>>52340679
I would go with 4 plasma guns and apothecary

>>52340642

See, people picked up on that Age of Sigmar does nothing to encourage tactical thinking, and in fact at face value favours a bum-rush at the foe.

AoS guys responded "Well you -can- use tactics" missing the point that the criticism is there's no -encouragement- to do so in the game structure. It replaced a game where careful maneuvering was half the reason you win. (The other half is deathstars. 8th edition was not a good version of WHFB)

This somehow mutated into trolling claims that AoS is a super tactical experience, including the honestly quite cleverly trollish claims that double turns and no initiative, aka the areas where it most fails as a simplified ruleset resulting in a slapdash play experience, "Add tactical depth."

>>52340739
I should do white blue plasma huh.

Green would seem redundant on DAs.

>>52337428
They are pretty rad desu.
Nazis had crazy ass tanks for blitzkriegs, so having a Reclusiam squad in a Land Raider leading a bunch of Vindicators while some flyer bombs the fuck out of enemy back lines, and a bunch of footslogging marines or rhinos follow afterwards.

>>52340725
Not that anon, but it could also be argued that it was able to remain in the top 5 because X-Wing wasn't yet a thing until the year before WHF was kicked out from the top

>>52340725

This. 7th and 8th were a gradual choking death of the game, and even then I saw a huge uptick in interest locally when End Times gave the game active support and fresh model releases for a while.

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>>52340731
>>52340734
ahhhhh its all nose bleeds, beta-shit and shitty heavy handed exposition. oh well thanks anyway

>>52340761
Then they blew up their best setting and went for a fucking mediocre your guys setting that has no meat and shit lore.


I have no idea why they just did not have both WHFB setting with the AoS stuff.


Total War Warhammer is selling like hot cakes cause it is the old world.

If it was the magic space cloud of AoS it would be a fucking dud desu because it would be bland.

>>52340744
the 3" movement bubble around models make positioning somewhat matter, but it is true that AoS plays best with terrain and objectives 40k is the same way, though most Tau players would prefer kill points on a barrent table as well

>>52340754
>but it could also be argued that it was able to remain in the top 5 because X-Wing wasn't yet a thing until the year before WHF was kicked out from the top
Yes and it also could argued that AoS manage to claim top-4 because of Star Trek death and TWW popularity (since all remaining models of WHFB now counting as AoS models).

>>52340786
>but it is true that AoS plays best with terrain and objectives
Yes except gameplay and balance

So I went and had my first go of actually playing today.

Dude that taught me was a bit nervous about it, but did a decent job, and got a nifty card for his trouble.
I had 7 Gets Hot issues from a cannon, a plasma gun and a pistol, and the cannon and pistol took themselves out. Only thing that didn't cause trouble was the plasma gun on my ravenwing biker.

I basically lost to his helbrute alone. A few things tickled me down, but that was the real killer. I almost glanced it to death, but it wasn't to be.

All in all, it was good fun. I feel like you basically need terrain to get the most out of the game, though, as buildings and stuff added a lot.

>>52340744
>It replaced a game where careful maneuvering was half the reason you win.

You should be able to do this without resorting to stupid wheeling movements and an army full of 3" move units. WHFB was a failure through and through. Games were won by careful power dice more like it.

>>52340839
>Games were won by careful power dice more like it.
Yeah because it was said last two editions were far from good.

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>>52340839
>WHFB was a failure through and through.
>Lasted 32 years
>Far long than Age of Trashmar will.

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>>52340839
The magic phase in 8th right up at the end was fucking insane

Between a grey seer, thanquol, and 2 plague priests i withered an entire slann-star, a blob of irongutz, and en entire unit of grail knights to toughness 0

Not to mention using cracks call to tear down an entire tower and eating nagash

Or using the 13th spell with a shitload of warpstone tokens to turn an entire unit of greatswords into clanrats

God I miss it. This "cast a single spell a turn" horseshit is balls

>>52340254
>2 chainfists at champion prices
>on the same model
>in every Terminator squad
Do you love the CSM of "everything is arbitrarily expensive" so much that you'll make life harder for yourself?
You can pair a chainfist with a lightning claw and choose which weapon profile you want to use, and either way get +1 Attack for 2x Specialist Weapon.
The army list maker is kind of broken that it thinks Champions have to pay full price for gear even if it's a 3pt upgrade for the regular dudes.

>>52340390
>>52340423
Nonetheless, assuming they keep it S7 and the same S/T relationships, even a -2 modifier will make Autocannons pretty damn nasty.
>Muhreens will get widespread access to AC's because the players will whine about wanting everyone else's toys

>>52340869
Whenever I need a good laugh I think about the fact that a Chosen with a pair of lightningclaws is way more expensive than a terminator with lightningclaws.

>And that people think GW has the competence to not make the next edition a total shitfest.

we hit bump limit, you going to make a new thread you premature ejaculating schlomo?

>>52340505
It means they're doing better. Plenty of promising signs that they actually care about making games rather than just vomiting out overpriced books and miniatures, although there's still plenty of that behaviour because it's GW.
>>52340563
It means whatever they're doing the players are happier to part with their shekels.

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>>52340896
Yeah most likely we're going back to the situation in 2nd edition where having naked models was the most point efficiënt, because even things like heavy bolters made power armour complete trash.
But then with fixed to wound rolls :^)

>tfw guardsmen with flashlights will be wounding gargantuan creatures on a 5+ soon...

>>52340928
>they actually care about making games
How exactly?
>It means whatever they're doing the players are happier to part with their shekels.
And how it makes things better if they appleasing newfags in hobby?

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>>52340899
>Wasn't sure if this was actually true because Terminators already pay for a Power Weapon and the claws are an upgrade
>do the math
Holy shit, Chosen with Claws are 48pts each versus 38pts for Terminators with Claws.
>"B-but Chosen can Sweeping Advance!"

They're not even good as a special weapons team unless you're really crushed on Heavy Support (which you shouldn't be because you can shove most HS units into a Formation for even better rules), because you're basically paying a 25pt tax over Havocs for the privilege of bringing one extra special weapon.
>IW Havocs get Tank Hunters and Chosen don't, making the choice even easier.
>tfw all this strategy and optimizing is just coming together nicely and GW throws 8E at us

>>52340370
Space Marine

>>52340869
Me n my buddy just agreed on being super casual and just pointing up what's on the model
Hence the Red Butcher Champion model has 2 CFs, and i counted it for points

>>52341007

Hey I'll do you one better. Mega-Armoured Nobz are 40 points. A Nob with Power Klaw and Twin-Linked Shoota is 46. And has a 6+ save.

>>52341001
>How exactly?
Kill team, Blood Bowl, Space Hulk, the upcoming Armageddon minigame... all that kind of stuff was shot down by Kirby's cronies as not being profitable enough.

>>52340563
I'm a player, and I invested £30k in November, so it's been pretty good for me yeah

>>52341029
>Space Hulk,
Wut?
>all that kind of stuff was shot down by Kirby's cronies as not being profitable enough.
I cannot remember Armageddon and Kill Team in Kirby's age
Also, Kill Team far from good game
>>52341032
But good for you as for investor.

>>52341044
Burning of Prospero, Betrayal at Calth are nice signs of life though

>>52341007

That's because there's no discount on a pair of claws, so you're paying 30 goddamn points for lightning claws on chosen.

I think Flamers are a decent option on chosen, though. 130pts for 5 flamers on dudes with 3 attacks each and Ld10.

>>52341057
>Burning of Prospero, Betrayal at Calth are nice signs of life though
Well they are strying to sell models (plastic HH) not the game.
But I've got the point. My point was that most of their "games" are still poorly designed rulewise and no different from Kirby and BB is pretty obvious sign that GW is still jewish as it was.

>>52341074
Oh it's still jewish as fuck and the rules writers are incompetent, but at least there's intent there to make things interesting, where Kirby's attitude was "fuck all that off, it wastes warehouse and shelf space and isn't profitable enough"

>>52341126
>but at least there's intent there to make things interesting
And how exactly broken or primitive rues are interesting?

>>52341135
The Betrayal at Calth boardgame itself is actually suprisingly alright. There are boardgame fanatics who buy it just to play it as a boardgame.

But it seems to have been an exception so far. The rest are still broken primitive rule systems.

DEATH TO ALL GROGNARDS

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>>52337349
MAKE 40K GREAT AGAIN

FUCK NU40K

>>52340812
>I feel like you basically need terrain to get the most out of the game, though, as buildings and stuff added a lot.
spot on, newfriend

>>52341210
But if Nu40k is going to be more similar to Old40k than Current40k, how does that work?