Khador Moar Stronk Edition

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First for the motherland

Some one know what happen in 4Shade story on the new NQ ?

Someone can post the newest NQ?

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Just a friendly reminder to GET FUCKED, enemies of the motherland.

Anyone have some good quality scans of those command book covers? I think they're neat.

>>52329272
anyone have the full pdf of the mk 2 prime rules? I want to read the fiction in that.

>>52330386
They're in the textuploader link

>>52330013
It was really short and from Scyrahs perspective. Turns out she's been watching over elven souls this whole time, comforting them before sending them to the veld. Goreshade and the Eldritchs show up in the Fane and kill the Fane knights guarding her and Nyssor. She nukes one, Nyssor nukes the rest. She sees that Nyssor has marked Goreshade with some sort of God symbol thing that tells her he sees something in Goreshade that makes him think he might save their people. Scyrah recognizes that Shade is powerful and has learned much but needs to be alive to fulfill his purpose, even though he still needs the knowledge he gained being undead. She brings him back and hopes her people will forgive her for it.

>>52330404
that is the rules only version, does not have any fluff. The medifire one has primal with the full book but not prime.

>>52330404
Is it possible that there is a mega folder of the stuff in the textuploader? Zippyshare does not work for me

http://conflictchamber.com/#b31bhD7w9vhF8qgcbR8A8B7Qgd8e

Khador Army - 75 / 75 points

!!! Your army contains pre-release entries.

(Strakhov 2) Assault Kommander Strakhov [+22]
- Kommandos
- Behemoth [25]
- Sylys Wyshnalyrr, The Seeker [4]
Greylord Forge Seer [4]
Man-O-War Kovnik [5]
Winter Guard Artillery Kapitan [3]
Great Bears of the Gallowswood [9]
Kayazy Assassins (max) [15]
- Kayazy Assassin Underboss [4]
Man-O-War Shocktroopers (max) [16]
- Man-o-War Shocktrooper Officer [4]
Widowmaker Scouts [8]

For one round get ARM 26 iron wall. Or any other ideas for new old comrade?

>>52329272
Are you gonna post the rest or what?

>>52331097
Strakhov2 Spell List: Last Stand, Quicken, Invioable Resolve, Lock the Target, Return Fire
Feat is Friendly Faction Warrior models gain +3 Arm, Tough and Feign Death
Special Rules: Assault, Immunity Fire, Alchemical Mask, Immunity Corrosion, Officer
Battle Maneuvers (Reposition [5"], Stealth, Overtake)
His grunts have Assault, Immunity Fire, Immunity Corrosion, Alchemical Mask and *Action Smoke Bomb
Strakhov and his grunts all a have Rng 8, Rof 1, Pow 6, Armorpiercing shot.
Strakhov has 2x Rng 0.5, Pow 4, PS 11, Magical Weapon, Grevious Wounds, Combostrike
His grunts have 1x Rng 0.5, Pow 4, PS 10, Grevious Wounds, Brutal Charge
Grunts are Spd 6, Str 6, Mat 7, Rat 6, Def 13, Arm 14, Cmd 8 with 5 boxes
Strakhov himself is Spd 6, Str 7, Mat 8, Rat 6, Def 16, Arm 15, Cmd 9 with 17 boxes and focus 6
He also has 22 Warjack points

Khador - Jaws of the Wolf

Can take:

Khadoran warcaster
Non-character Khadoran Warjacks
Behemoth
Mechanik units/models
Kossite units/models
Kayazy units/models
Widowmaker units/models
Yuri the Axe
Greylord Forgeseer
War Dog
Manhunter solos
Benefits:

1. For every 25 points of warjacks gain one CA or solo
2. Battle Mechaniks gain Reposition [3"]
3. Enemy models lose Advanced Deployment

Khador - Legion of Steel

Can take:

Khadoran Warcasters
Non-character Khadoran Warjacks
Mechanik models/units
Iron Fang models/units
War Dogs

Benefits:

1. For every 20 points of Iron Fangs, get a free CA or solo
2. Great Bears and Iron Fang Solos gain Counter Charge
3. One Small Based unit of Iron Fangs gains Advanced Move

What can one do with Infernal Machines?

>>52331756
Gaspy3 and Venethrax don't seem bad in the theme. Aiakos2 might not be bad either.

Seconding a call for someone to upload the newest NQ.

>(Xerxis 1) Tyrant Xerxis [+28]
- Agonizer [6]
- Tiberion [22]
Mortitheurge Willbreaker [4]
Orin Midwinter, Rogue Inquisitor [5]
Paingiver Bloodrunner Master Tormentor [4]
Swamp Gobber Chef [1]
Venator Dakar [4]
Cataphract Cetrati (max) [18]
Paingiver Beast Handlers (min) [5]
Praetorian Swordsmen (max) [13]
- Praetorian Swordsman Officer & Standard [4]
Swamp Gobbers Bellows Crew [2]
Venator Reivers (max) [15]

Rate my dank memes out of ten, friends. Swordsmen on feat turn can go nuts with damage, Cetrati are Cetrati, Reivers with a Dakar will put serious pressure all over the board, Agonizer keeps the tanky things alive, and Tibbers plows anything that comes close.

>>52331704
Thank you, anon.

Jaws and Forge Seer are broken, Legion is trash and Strakhov is strange.

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>>52331704
So what I don't get is why these guns (pic related) are some kind of puny close range armor penetration thingies.
They totally look like either small scale grenade launchers or a automatic shotgun like the AA12.
Pretty sad about that

>>52331704

>Enemy models lose Advanced Deployment

Huh, I was kinda hoping this was a unique thing for Ravens of War.

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>>52333330
Urgh, like for real. I would feel a lot better about this theme if it had some kind of availability for Pathfinder.

>>52333548
Low pow armor piercing weapons are more for balance than fluff, but armor piercing does kind of represent high powered weapons. Remember, against an armor 20 model they are effectively pow 16.

>>52333330
I think Vlad3 gets to relive a bit of Charge of the Horselords with Legions of Steel, at least.
http://conflictchamber.com/#b31b_-0ybW7x0d0d8fdi8x877G7I7K7K

Khador Army - 75 / 75 points
[Theme] Legion of Steel

!!! You are using a pre-release theme.

(Vladimir 3) Vladimir Tzepesci, Great Prince of Umbrey [+27]
- Drago [14]
- Juggernaut [12]
- Juggernaut [12]
- War Dog [3]
Iron Fang Kovnik [0]
Uhlan Kovnik Markov [7]
Battle Mechaniks (max) [5]
Iron Fang Pikemen (min) [9]
- Iron Fang Pikemen Officer & Standard [0]
Iron Fang Uhlans (max) [20]
Iron Fang Uhlans (max) [20]

>>52333573
As a primarily Legion player who only gets flying heavies for this benefit, I was hoping that as well. Widowmakers and Kossites are the justification in this case, since they scout ahead and deny enemies time to prepare, fluffwise.

>>52333548
The unit has Assault as a reminder, so the range isn't terrible. It also makes any assassination run Strakhov makes a lot more credible. They definitely look like they should have multiple shots each though, like his old Riot Gun. Overall though Strakhov2 seems beastly.

>>52333548
I wish they had multiple ammo types. not that I'm complaining. they seem pretty good.

Anyone have a screencap of Strakhov 2's stat's? I don't have War Room

>>52334051
SPD 6
MAT 8
STR 7
RAT 6
DEF 16
ARM 15
FOCUS 6
HP 17
WJP +22

>>52334150
Thanks, but I mean spells and stuff too.

>>52334171
I posted his spells and special rules earlier in the thread at Post No.52331704 above the Khador theme list info. Scroll up and you should find what you're looking for.

>>52334442
Guess I need to learn how to read. I just skimmed over that assuming it was a army list.

Thanks!

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>>52333548
They look like this old russian ww2 Era gun.

Did something happen to Neraphs that I missed? I've been seeing them in lists everywhere now.

>>52335813

Cheap DEF 14 heavies that can't be knocked down. They're mostly taken with Fyanna currently where they get cranked up

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Day 1

>>52336124
Cmon Circle you got dis. do it for papa Krueger

>>52336124
What happened to all of your Cryx players?

I suspect the answer is "No" but, with Mortenebra2, can Deathjack cast and make use of Locomotion?

>>52335813
Fyanna2's Fury spell and Kryssa's feat both make them hit way above their points for Hordes models and Fyanna2's feat makes them DEF17 Serpentine Dodge (or 16 if it has Fury on it). They are also Legion's cheapest combat heavy even if they need feats or feats and spells and a Sorc and Hellion to become truly cost effective. I'm the crazy guy running Kryssa in Oracles with Azrael, four Neraphs, a Seraph, BFS and support and I can tell you that it gets tilting for a lot of enemies to see that level of hitting power moderately spammed in Hordes.

>>52336408
Yes, The Deathjack can. The Battlegroup is everyone's battlegroup that's in it, and referencing the Battlegroup is possible even if the model doing it is not the Battlegroup Controller.

>>52336507
If true, does the wording on Locomotion allow both Deathjack and Mortenebra2 to cast it once each on the same model?

>>52336553
That I don't know. There was an Infernal clarification that DJ can cast Locomotion though.

Okay, so I tried getting into Iron Kingdoms years ago but that sort of dried up. What has been happening in the lore since MKII?

>>52336553
Locomotion specifies that a model can only be effected by it once in a turn. So DJ and Morty2 can both cast it, just not on the same thing, apparently.

>>52336291
Probably ragequit the game when they realized they'd have to get good.

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So say I have an Axer, Bouncer, Impaler, and Mauler.
If I were to combine three of them, what would be the best combo? I imagine the Axer for rush, the Bouncer for guarding my warlock, and the Mauler for general beatsticking. The impaler seems kinda butt.
Ragnor is my warlock for reference.

>>52336652
Has that been clarified? Because, "A warjack can be targeted by Locomotion only once per activation " is kind of a confusing statement. It makes it sound more like the warcaster is meant to only be able to cast it once per warjack. This situation, with Deathjack being able to cast it too, seems like a unique situation.

>>52336597
Vinter's dead, killed by Magnus. Leto stepped down to allow Vinter's bastard heir, Julius, to ascend to the throne of Cygnar. Julius decided he'd had enough of Khador, like, existing and shit, propose to the last Llaelese princess, and angled Cygnar's entire economy toward removing Khards. Khard removal has been pretty successful, with the Khadoran forces in Cygnar pushed north of the Thornwoods and Magnus detonating a massive poison gas cache in Vlad's face, killing vast swathes of the Khadoran army without expending Cygnaran lives.

Elves kicked the Skorne out of Ios with help from Goreshade, who has officially switcharooed over to the Retribution from Cryx. Nyssor was brought to Scyrah's fane and as a result all the Nyss refugees across Khador are returning to Ios.

Trollkin have decided that western Immoren is just too crowded, and make for the verdant strip of land a little ways east of the Protectorate, across the Bloodstone Marches. They continue to have fucking shit tier luck, but this seems like the smartest thing they've done since forever.

Rhyas and Saeryn broke up with Thagrosh. Not sure what they intend on doing now, but they took a chunk of Legion forces with them.

I don't know much else.

>>52336893
Old Witch is summoning Malifau- I mean demons from hell Grymkin to fight against Circle (or is it Menoth).

>>52336963
demons from hell called Grymkin*

>>52336893

>Rhyas and Saeryn broke up with Thagrosh. Not sure what they intend on doing now, but they took a chunk of Legion forces with them.

Also Circle is trying to hunt down Everblight and there was a big dragon war versus Toruk, though I don't really remember/know the details on either.

>>52336472

Well damn that sounds like fun, but after dropping cash for some Raptors I don't know if I feel like spending another $75 on warbeasts.

>>52336893
>Rhyas and Saeryn broke up with Thagrosh. Not sure what they intend on doing now, but they took a chunk of Legion forces with them.

What exactly happened here? I hear about this a lot, but... how did this go down? Did Saeryn seriously just decide it was time to play her hand and cut ties? How'd she get around having an athanc shard stuck between her tits?

I'd be pleasantly surprised if she really did betray Thagrosh, even if it's purely self-interested. Currently she's in contention with Vayl and Reznik for the Worst Person Ever award.

>>52333548
Oleg boosting damage with the gun against some ungodly high ARM, shieldwall, iron flesh, etc, target, could be pretty good. ROF 1 is more disappointing to me.

>>52337070
Worst Person Ever contention in legion goes to Vayl. Saeryn saves the entire Legion by making a deal with Blighterghast and surrendering Nidoboros' athanc so that Blighty could kick the shit out of Toruk on the condition that Blighterghast cancel the hunt for Everblight and the other Legion warlocks and armies, which the dragon did. Everblight saw this as betrayal even though he got to watch through her eyes while she saw a vision of the future that showed Everblight getting the Athanc didn't save him from Toruk. Saeryn forcibly suppressed Everblight's connection to Rhyas and herself to make the deal with Blighterghast and they've existed on the fringes of Legion operations with very few soldiers and only their own dragonspawn since then.

>>52336291
They cried and went over to guildball

>>52336893
Why would all of Cygnar be cool with Vinter's bastard suddenly being King?

>>52336782
Pls respond

>>52336291
All the mk2 Cryx players were so used to winning before turn 1 they all fucked off back to Warhammer. mk1 Cryx players still play them, and I feel bad for them, but also, I don't because fuck Toruk.

>>52337233
Mauler, Axer, Bouncer.

>>52337215
You don't really get a say in a monarchy, but Leto did see the loss of the Thornwood and half of Llael during his reign.

>>52337215
Because Leto was a shitty king who let Llael get shitwrecked by dirty Menites and the Reds, almost lost the capital to said dirty Menites, and lost the war against Khador. He also utterly shit the bed during the Trollblood revolts, almost lost the kingdom to Skorne, and dicked over the nobility to the point where they staged a major rebellion to place a known madman on the throne in his stead. Leto for his part acknowledged that he was literally the worst king and abdicated in favour of the rightful heir, placating the nobles. Now Cygnar holds a PU over Llael and is driving the Reds out with ease.

>>52337316
You get a say when you fight with magelock pistols akimbo... just saying.

But yeah... good point. Though that wasn't really Leto's fault. He was fighting wars on 4 fronts, and winning or stalemating on 3 of them. Khador just has too many raw bodies to throw at the Thornwood.

>>52337268
You're forgetting Mk3 Cryx players, who were dumb enough to buy PP's bullshit and finally thought they could buy into the cool zombiedudes faction without being an asshole, but instead they got a faction that at it's very best is slightly worse than everyone else and also boring.

>>52337363
We'll see how long that lasts. Betting on the wild card isn't a very viable long term strategy.

>>52337421
Yeah. Well... I dunno what to tell you. Still though... fuck Toruk.

>>52337164
Wow, Everblight is kinda retarded, huh?

Personally, Saeryn edges out over Vayl in general terribleness for the fact that she willingly handed her probably retarded sister over to Everblight. She'd probably be less of an awful person if she had always planned to betray Thagrosh.

>>52337464
Vayl handed over her entire race to slaughter and brainwashing and Saeryn saved all life on Immoren. Vayl is totes the worst person in Legion.

>>52337421
Cryx is still very strong when building optimally. SaCryxis lists are extremely powerful.

If you're not playing at the level where full optimization is required they can run pretty much whatever they want and you'll be fine if you play well.

>>52337464
Everblight's greatest strength is that he can take bold action and have long-term goals where most other dragons flat-out don't or won't. Everblight's greatest weakness is that his arrogance and greed are overwhelming and his desire for immediate gratification dismantles his own plans and a lot of the time goes against his own self-interest and long-term survival.

>>52337559
Yeah, sure, technically the scale of her shittiness is grander.

Vayl was already a bitter exile by then, though, whereas Saeryn basically betrayed her shard and fucked over her sister on a whim. There were no hard feelings or grudges, she wasn't an outcast seeking a place, she just wanted power. There's something a lot more personal and disturbing about the way Saeryn turned. Vayl you can sort of understand, being motivated by revenge and desperation. Saeryn just got up one day, foresaw that killing everyone she knows would maybe benefit her, and promptly did it.

>>52337437
I'll never not bet on Magnus's ability to both kick ass and take names.

>>52337559

Being the worst person in Legion is pretty impressive since most of the warlocks are unrepentant monsters.

The real question would be who is the least awful. Kryssa sounds like like the most likely contender, with maybe Lylyth when she's not in a murder haze. Abby and Rhyas are too autistic for dragons and swords to be really be considered people, and Bethayne is too much of a nobody in the fluff to even matter.

>>52336291
nice bait

>>52337799
Kryssa's probably the least malignant, by dint of apparently having crippling self-esteem issues and not being molded by Vayl into an unrepentant monster before getting the Athanc shard. She didn't even make Azrael, just inherited it from the prior shard holder. In the Legion command book there are implied to be 11 athanc shards separated from Thagrosh that are unaccounted for.

Does the fact that you cannot customize your dudes outside of paint scheme bother you?

I'm going back to GW products because modeling and assembling is such a huge part of the hobby for me. I wish I had more options with models but the rules are what they are.

>>52338090

Not really. There's plenty of opportunity for converting, and the conversion policy is more open than ever. Most of the character kits and blisters for GW are monopose anyway.

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>>52338090
No, because things that aren't true don't bother me.

>>52338170
Those are single characters.

The average Space Marine Tactical Squad box is a thing of beauty in terms of how much freedom you have to build models how you want.

PP just cannot compete right now with those modular plastic kits.

Don't get me wrong, I'd love it if they could but right now they don't. PP's current focus is on the rules, improving the models is secondary.

>>52338250
This is pretty much the difference between Gw and Pp desu senpai

>>52338250

It's definitely something I would like to see too, but that's just how it is outside of GW games.

The other thing that really bothers me - and I'm not sure if it's a PP thing or if it's the community - is the insistence on using little to no terrain, and if you do use terrain it is usually flat cutouts.
I've seen flat, mousepad type material that looks like it has trees on it and that's supposed to be woods or whatever.

I usually hear from players that they don't want terrain to swing the game in favor of one player and they don't want the terrain to affect how you place models.
My issue is, it's boring. I think that if the models are 3d, then the terrain should be too. It makes playing the game more interesting, at least to me.

>>52338508
All 3d terrain accomplishes is making precise measurements harder in a system where that matters a lot, and making it more likely that your metal model will do a faceplant and leave chunks of paint behind.

>>52338564
Also whenever a forest has 3d trees they all end up removed anyway, because forests aren't supposed to block movement and trying to place a bunch of dudes inside a tiny thicket is a huge pain in the dick.

I'm interested in this game. Which faction has the most WAAC potential?

>>52336507
>The Battlegroup is everyone's battlegroup that's in it, and referencing the Battlegroup is possible even if the model doing it is not the Battlegroup Controller.

source?

>>52339082
http://privateerpressforums.com/showthread.php?270831-Deathjack-and-Locomotion

and

http://privateerpressforums.com/showthread.php?263818-Can-Cryx-Deathjack-cast-Hellwrought&highlight=Deathjack+battlegroup

>>52339158
I can't remember the wording, does that mean that Deryliss can cast overrun?

>>52339231
It can, as can Deathjack, but nothing happens since neither of them have a Control Range.
Source:
http://privateerpressforums.com/showthread.php?256018-Deathjack-Deryliss-and-Overrun

>>52339231
The concise answer to all of these questions is here.
http://privateerpressforums.com/showthread.php?252912-Spell-slave-and-quot-the-spellcaster-s-battlegroup-quot&p=3650510&viewfull=1#post3650510

I've been really wanting to build a Mohsar list that uses the Woldwrath for a while and I'm stumbling over a bit of it. So far I've got :

Mohsar
- Woldwrath
Gallows Grove (x2)
Sentry Stone (x2)
10 Tharn Bloodtrackers

That leaves 35 points to fill out the battlegroup. I'm tempted to just go Pureblood + Feral but that leaves me a bit tight on fury generation. I could also put in a pair of Satyrs and a Gorax, which gives me decent fury generation while the Satyrs should be able to hit hard enough (with Curse and Primal) to trade against a heavy. Any suggestions?

>>52340227
Just as a reminder the Woldwrath Animus only boosts the magic attack and damage roll against the initial targeted model of Mohsar's spray.

>>52336856
I'm not sure how that statement can be more clear? Is this one of them trolls?

>>52340398
Yeah I know. Thanks for the reminder though!

How is baddest santa broken?

>>52340968
He's fair for 4p. He's broken for 0p.

>>52337799
>who is fuckboy extraordinarie K. Boy

>>52340986
He just seems like a focus a turn guy nothing more.

>>52341081
Well he has 2 other useful abilities, a strong melee attack, is very durable and is actually a good jack marshal. Like I said, that sounds like a good package for a 4p solo. He's just broken at 0p because everything is (except arguably Narn or Nayl or whatever that exploding elf is called).

Wait, so has Blighty made his move against Toruk yet? If not, do you think he has a chance? He'll have to blow through all of Cryx, which is no mean feat.

>>52338508
I suppose our group is quite lucky in that we're a fairly casual circle who picked up Warmachine after Warhammer Fantasy got destroyed and replaced with AoS. We had loads of terrain left over and playing with a lot of proper 3D terrain per board came naturally. The last board I set up had four buildings and about eight walls set up to look like a village crossroads in the center of the table, with some large areas of forest dotted around the edges.

Honestly, it works pretty well - primarily melee armies have a hell of a lot more protection moving down the board, but can be slowed down quite dramatically if they aren't careful. Cryx feels like less of a joke when their myriad ways of getting through/around terrain are coming into play more than once or twice per game.

>>52341185
>do you think he has a chance?
Hell fucking no. The Legion is tiny compared to the Nightmare Empire (TM) and Everblight is one of the weaker dragons. His only advantages are patience and planning and I doubt he'll get rid of them.

>>52341190
I find the best solution is to have a mix:

Walls: 3D
Obstructions: 3D but assumed infinitely high
Forests: 2D with removable trees
Hills: 2D
Water: 2D

Best of both worlds really.

>>52341271
By Blighty I meant Blighterghast. He's got super athanc steroids now.

>>52341285
>>52341185

There was a big battle between Toruk, Everblight, and some of the other Dragons just prior to the beginning of MK3's fluff. The long and short of it was that the attempt on Toruk's life sort of failed miserably. He was injured enough that he had to retreat back to his doom fortress, but managed to consume another Athanc beforehand.

>>52341095
Redpill me on worst best santa?

You're forced to share an apartment with a caster from your faction. Who do you pick?

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>>52341410

Constance Blaize.

You have no idea how into this I am.

>>52341410
>Skorne
Oh fuck. I dunno. Best case would probably be Mordikaar with an agreement that he stays out of my half of the appartment and I don't tell anyone about the weird as fuck shit he does there.

>>52341410
Old witch.

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>>52341410
Andy. If I ever pussy out of killing myself again, he will just shove me into the knife.

>>52341497
>anon.
>i wish not to alarm you.
>but i have missplaced my void portal.

>>52341535
You put it on the cat again, didn't you?

>>52341410

The Harbinger, mainly because I'm curious to see how she'd cope with everyday life while constantly floating. Also probably the least likely to set me on fire.

>>52341738
>STOP MASTURBATING
>MAKE HUMAN CHILDREN

>>52341410
Kaya. I have loads of dogs so it would be nice to have someone who can tell the little shits to behave.

>>52341410
Trollbloods
Uh... I mean do they keep their gigantic man eating monsters with them?
All I know is I'm not rooming with Doomie. He'd probably kill me, or failing that, be a complete dick.

>>52338652
Cygnar until Storm Lances get nerfed. That said, the game is as much about player skill as WAAC lists.

Sure you could buy Haley2 and a bunch of Storm Lances but an experienced player would wreck your shit if you just plonk it on the table and expect to win with no prior experience.

>>52341981
Of course that player buying Haley2 and Lances would lose. They didn't buy a Journeyman Warcaster

>>52333548
I think he's pretty interesting. A version of strakhov that might actually WANT to take ass commandoes? What!?

His personal unit is interesting, but it might be a case of "Win More"... even with the ability to reposition, he's got to commit pretty close to the front lines to use the guns. His suite of buffs and defensive feat cement him as an attrition caster - I expect you'll usually be looking to win on scenario or by tabling your opponent before Strakhov would want to go in personally.

>>52337215
Basically, this ->>52337316, but there are other reasons. Leto was considered a good king, and generally well liked, but he wasn't exactly successful. The country's been at war almost constantly since he came to power, and mostly losing.

Plus, there's the fact that Leto is no spring chicken, and he's not married and doesn't have any kids. He'd have to just appoint some random to be king after him... so it's not like there are any other contenders for continuing the dynasty, prettymuch just Julius. And his direct line of succession means he's arguably got MORE of a legitimate claim than Leto does (although it's a little tricky, since primogeniture is just a custom, not a law).

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>>52341410
Pic related.

She's an arrogant bitch, but she's one of the few Ret warcasters that doesn't drink the death cult kool aid or hate humans. Also, future sight is pretty handy, and she seems more likely than Ravyn to put out.

With her power of future vision and my power of being a legitimate citizen, we could accrue mad dosh fairly fast.

>>52337698
>I'll never not bet on Magnus's ability to both kick ass and take names.
Well.. as long as the ass in question is pretty close to the ground. I don't think he can really lift his foot up very far. Dude walks with a limp WITH the assistance of powered armor. With his armor powered down, he struggles to walk at all.

>>52338170
What about "you have to use enough of the original model's parts for it to be recognizable to your opponent" translates to "you cannot customize your dudes"? I convert the hell out of almost every model that crosses my desk, and the majority of them are tournament legal.

>>52338508
It mainly comes down to >>52338564 but the blame does fall on PP. Their terrain/movement rules are poorly designed for 3D terrain.

The best solution we've come up with is to use the flat textured areas to represent the area of terrain, and then using 3D terrain to "represent" what the area is - trees, rocks, walls, etc. The 3D pieces are really just tokens though, and you can move them around the terrain area or remove them as necessary to make room for models.

>>52336124
Are there lists somewhere?

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Anybody been dojoing with Kharybdis? I'm not sure what to make of him. Obv the 21" threat feat turn assault with his buddy Aikos is fun, but I'm not seeing much outside of that there.

The more interesting thing, I think, is using him as a personal cloudwall / bodyguard for our squishier casters. That, or playin him with Morty1 and tuning up that spray.

Side note: how derpy are these tentacles going to be? RNG 1, seriously?

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>>52341284

>>52341410
Ossyan seems like he'd be decent, probably pretty clean and wouldn't make a lot of noise. Hard working. Problem is he'd be bringing his girlfriend around all the time and she smells like oil and leaves myrmidon parts and grease stains all over the place.

>>52341512
>Anon yous too thin. I have make you of kotlet.
>also summon demon it make sense in perspective i must fly to lead demon against enemy of motherland

>>52342554
Is Helynna confirmed as Ossy's waifu?

>>52342481
>RNG 1
You're aware they have Chain Strike, right?

>>52342843
>You're aware they have Chain Strike, right?
!?!?!??!!!!?!!?!!!

Why in toruk's name would someone post spoilers and leave THAT out? "Oh, chain strike got cut off the bottom of this screencap". "nah, don't worry about that, nobody's going to use that rule".

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>>52343242
Not sure, but here you go

As someone who hasn't played for 5 years and is completely out of the loop when it comes to mk3, how competitive would be to run pure Rhulic?

>>52343315
Step 1: Pick Assram
Step 2: Take a billion gunbunnies
Step 3: Destroy the world

>>52343261
Thanks Anon, you're a hero.

Anything else I should know? Like... Mortenebra2 doesn't secretly have Manifest Destiny on the bottom of her card or something, right?

>>52343315
You can definitely do >>52343328, although it's obviously a bit of a gimmick and probably has a nerf coming. Play the gunbunnies you have, for sure, but I wouldn't run out and buy 10 more.

Rhulic is in a pretty good place. All three casters are interesting in their own ways. The earthbreaker took a hit, but all the other jacks are pretty good now. Driller is probably the game's best bargain heavy.

Units are a little bit meh (as they are almost across the game this edition). They sorta re-imagined the game as "primarily battlegroup, with some infantry supporting". Highshields are still pretty lame, forgies still do good work if you can deliver them. Biggest change was to the artillery crew, who are legit now.

>>52343361
Spell Piercer is hidden in one of her screenshots.

>>52343458
=) I did know that one. But yeah, that's pretty important.

OK, so chain strike. That's pretty good, but actually doesn't change my quick picks. 17" melee threat with Aikos2 is legit. Morty1 as well - same threat range with overrun (and non-linear to boot). Any other obvious synergies? He might be fun as a unit mulcher with spells like Ravager or Black Spot.

is Magnus 3 going to end up a cygnar caster? If they are going to do that at least

>>52342197
The important thing from Leto's perspective is that he considers himself a Usurper to the throne, since he got it via a rebellion against the legitimate King, even if he considers the coup itself justified. The reason Rebald wanted Julius killed the minute he heard about him is that even before all the MK 1 and 2 shit started happening he knew Leto would step down if a heir to Victor was found, even a bastard child, because that's how Leto feels about his own right to the throne.

>>52337017
I don't think that's really necessary. Nothing says you have to spam Neraphs. Kryssa and Fyanna can both buff a variety of different beasts.

I'm generally against playing spam. Better to go with a selection of different beasts if you want to play beast heavy. Less of the smashing repeatedly on one maybe-broken button, but a deeper toolbox with more options for you to change up your plan during the game.

Plus, as a hobbyist and a player, I never want to actually BUY spam lists. It might be strong in the short term, but it always gets nerfed eventually and then I'm stuck with X models I'll never field again. Plus, who wants to build and paint the same model over and over?

Prettymuch the only time I've ever stacked up on multiples of beasts jacks (outside of pairs of some lights), was in the early days of mercs, and later, minions. And that's just from lack of options at the time - that's the only reason I have three nomads, two drillers, three warhogs, etc.

Anyone have NQ 71 scans yet? Or rules for extreme colossal wrestling?

>>52343846
That's also why I don't like FA U. With the number of the models in the game now, the option to spam the same exact model over and over is never a benefit to the players.

>>52343678
Not going to happen. A lot of us thought so at one point, but them giving him the Kingmaker theme as a consolation prize more or less guarantees he's staying merc.

>>52343842
Yeah, that's a good point.

>>52342763
Yea, it's in her fluff in Prime. She's romantically involved with Ossyan and wants to combine Vyre and Shyeel tech.

>>52343886
Dang that would have been really sweet, although now they need a version of magnus that can work for cygnar,

There was a rumor I remember awhile back about more Lhaelese units including Ashlynn 2, anyone know if this is still going to be a thing?

>>52343977
>wants to combine Vyre and Shyeel tech

How lewd. I hope Rahn has given his blessing on this.

>>52341410
Kaelyssa sounds like someone who'd be fun to be around outside the battefield.

>>52341410
Kreoss seems like he would be a pretty good bro as long as I praise menoth.

>>52341410
Too easy.

You are now the equivalent of a 4-6pt solo in the employ of a warcaster/warlock from your main faction. You don't have to be part of that faction or truly loyal, but you cannot leave this situation by your own free will. Who do you pick?

>>52344252
The Harbringer, she can take care of my wounds and I will be devoted to magical girl jesus

>>52344252
You'd be dumb to not pick someone that can straight up bring you back to life. So, um, Haley? Cygnar, Khador, and Ord are the only countries worth living in.

>>52344252
Well I'm human and I play Ret so this won't end well.

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In the fluff, Magnus is given rank and title by Julius after Vinter's death, so I doubt he's not gonna be Cygnar, but Partisan [Cygnar] is the most likely.

Also, Ossrum2 might get Partisan status if pic related is any indication.

>>52341410
Terminus. He's a goddamn mutant dragon pirate lich, which is the coolest thing it is possible to be, and he has phenomenal fashion sense. Have you seen those sleeves, anon? We'd never have to pay rent, because the living in abject terror. And when we go out to the club, he'd burn down the club, murderize everyone, and eat their souls. Because fuck those fuckers at the club, amirite?

>>52344252
Easy. Necrotech. I get to wear sweet goggles, I get to have fucking ROBOT LEGS, and if we're ever lonely I can just make more friends out of passerby and random junk that's laying around.

>>52344551
* the landlord is living in abject terror

>>52344470
Well, you're not a spellcaster. And they can hire Corbeau, so there must be some leeway.

>>52344252
...Do I get to choose what kind of solo? Do they have to be from the same faction as my main one?

Fuck it, give me Narn stats and drop me in with Rhyas & Saeryn. They're the only choice for Legion, as they're the only ones not currently hooked on Everblight's magic dragon kool aid, and considering how much of a cunt Everblight is, they're probably not returning to the fold anytime soon. I'm willing to bet, since Destruction is about permanent splits forming in factions, they'll end up leading the slightly less evil side of Legion - peeps like Lylyth have already been foreshadowed to break away somehow, and I'm assuming that Saeryn's Legion is where they'll end up. Plus, they're twins, makes them super special according to IK physics, and shrouds them and everyone near them in an ashen veil of rock hard plot armour.

I guess I'd hang with Rhyas, since quiet and autistic is easier to deal with than venomous and amoral.

So if I'm using Xerxis1 with my only beasts being Tibbers, a screaming baby, and a Krea, I don't actually need Handlers right?

>>52341462
That's a really badass cosplay

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>>52345209
>Rhyas
>autistic
Rhyas in an excellent stabber.

Definitely. An excellent stabber.

>>52344202
Seconded, as long as you aren't some kind of filthy fucking magic user you should be safe.

>>52346153
IIRC Kaelyssa is one of the more extreme, true believer Ret types, like Garryth and Elara. Pretty sure they're on team 'all humans must die no matter what'.

Ravyn feels bad about it but thinks at the very least all human spellcasters have to die.

Rahn, Ossyan, Issyria, Vyros, and Thyron don't seem to believe anything the Retribution preaches, and are just there for political power. Or, in Thyron and Ossyan's case, because they think the Retribution is at least effective at collecting lost gods and killing Skorne.

I haven't played since 1st edition, are the unit stats in the OP the latest? I cannot get war room running on my tablet, it becomes buring hot then I have to close it.

>>52346342
>are the unit stats in the OP the latest
Should be, but if in doubt check the updated rules & cards posted on PP's site.

>it becomes buring hot then I have to close it
Sounds like a conversation you should have with your doctor

>>52344502
>In the fluff, Magnus is given rank and title by Julius after Vinter's death
Wait, did this actually happen?

IIRC Magnus asked Julius for a title, and Julius was like, "You know you're my bro, right? And I totally support you, you know that. But on the DL. Thing is... we probably shouldn't be seen in public together. You know how it is. So you just keep doing your merc thing, and, uh, we'll keep in touch. Definitely. I'll call you sometime. But don't call me. I'll call you. OK? Ok, cool."

>>52344502
Now you see, I'm torn on that because Ossrum is bae and it would be great if he went epic, but Gorten has been waiting so fucking long already for a second form!

>>52336782

For Ragnor you have it pretty alright with Mauler/Axer/Bouncer. Impaler isn't what it used to be.

>>52346523
>Gorten has been waiting so fucking long already for a second form
That's putting it mildly. He's now the oldest caster without an epic version by a decent margin. Next closest are the funky bunch - Harby, Big T, Karchev, and Darius - who supposedly will "never go epic because they're epic enough already". Not sure how much I agree with that, particularly where the Man In The Can is concerned, but there you are.

Hey guys! Did anyone get a PDF/doc of that undercity expansion that got released for Iron Kingdoms yet? I heard it added new rules.

>>52343242
It incidentally makes it's spray way harder to apply on non-aiakos2-feating turns since you can't target anything within 4" of you and effectively makes the range of the spray about 5".

>>52344788
>Well, you're not a spellcaster.
Why would you just go and ASSUME something like that?

>>52343846
Fyanna works better with different options, but Kryssa only gets one turn of good work against an enemy army in any game because her STR buff is feat based. So you need to mazimise the amount of hitting power you get for your feat, and Swordsmen and Neraphs are the most points-efficient way to do this, since they are relatively no-frills and cheap by Legion standards. This composition changes depending on if you're doing Themes or not. Oracles of Annihilation is really battlegroup heavy with BFS, and I've had success in Ravens of War with Kryssa, two neraphs, a seraph, Azrael, two min units of Raptors, anyssa ryvaal, two forsaken, a Sorc and hellion, a deathstalker and some spell martyrs. Fyanna loses a lot in any theme since she likes Angelii, Neraphs, character beasts, Swordsmen, Hellmouths and a Succubus but if you're running Oracles Neraphs and Angelii are where you start because of her feat and Fury (the spell).

>>52346916
>It incidentally makes it's spray way harder to apply on non-aiakos2-feating turns since you can't target anything within 4" of you and effectively makes the range of the spray about 5".
Agree with the first part, not the 2nd. It does mean the spray only threats 1" further than the charge, but I don't see that as damning. Would be cool if they'd given it some kind of Dual Attack or Gunfighter rule or something but oh well. The option is there. I think it's going to be mostly a melee piece that occasionally sprays, not the other way around.

The biggest thing about Kharybdis is that it's a heavy with 12" base threat range. That's unprecedented in faction (other than colossals).

>>52347040
I don't disagree on any point. My point was that I personally hate building spam lists (not sure two of something really counts though). Legion's got, what, like 8 or 9 heavy options right now? Me personally, I'd much rather have one of each in my collection, take the best ones (even if not as optimal as spamming the single "best" choice) and just figure it out on the table.

Kryssa does absolutely love the neraphs because of their low cost, but you can achieve some of the same effect with combat lights. The soldier gets a P+S 15 charge attack, mimicking some of that neraphy magic under feat. Raeks are great under feat too.

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>>52345209
Patrician taste.

>monstergirl
>elf
>blue
>stoic
>little sister
>insecure
>Acrobatics

Rhyas is top tier. Other waifus need not apply. She even comes with a twin sister who would hate you with a terrible vengeance, not just because she's a huge bitch, but also because if Rhyas was fucking someone she'd never get any sleep due to their sensory link.

Does anyone else watch Light'emup's battle reports?
Does anyone else think the sound effect he uses for scoring points sounds suspiciously like the sound that plays when you win a fight in sim girl?

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>>52346335
>tfw Kaelyssa and Elara are simultaneously the cutest Ret casters and the 3rd and 2nd most likely to murder you for existing respectively
I want to take Kaelyssa out for dinner with a bulletproof vest on!

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>>52347248
Being coldly beautiful doesn't hurt.

>>52347495

Also there's the incestuous lesbian bottom thing.

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>tfw my lgs has a fresh Warmachine/Hordes playerbase that is slowly growing
>but it's filled with Khador battlebox player.
Help I am surrounded by Russians and Vodka.
I hope people start buying infantry and other models soon so we can start doing actual scenario stuff. Battlebox games, while fun, aren't really that much.

>>52343315
Gunbunnies, colossal or wait for theme.

>>52333548
Those are some cool models.

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>>52347959
>you'll never spend hours alone with Rhyas on the fringes of civilization, scouting and pathfinding ahead of the legion
>you'll never feel yourself gradually becoming more at ease around her, and her around you
>you'll never talk to her about her fears of being left behind by her sister
>you'll never feel Saeryn glaring daggers at your back because Rhyas is sleeping with her head upon your shoulder
>you'll never make love to her under Occultation, just 5" out of everyone's sight
>you'll never hear Saeryn curse loudly in her tent as you nut deep inside her sister
>Rhyas will never pop her feat while you're inside, allowing you to shift behind her and make a second attack in her back arc
>you'll never wake up feeling refreshed and whole, notice that Saeryn has been kept up all night by you and Rhyas, and make this exact face

>>52348748
>Rhyas will never pop her feat while you're inside, allowing you to shift behind her and make a second attack in her back arc

Lost my sides here and got in trouble in the library. GJ anon

I heard a rumor about the witchfire trilogy being republished under the iron kingdoms rules, anyone have any information on that,

>>52346335
Garryth isn't a true believer. He's just a killer that enjoys killing.

>>52348960
Huh, really?

I thought he had a burning genocidal hate for humans specifically.

Is MK3 really so bad?

>>52349026
Nah. Just make sure to play in theme.

>>52344252
>I play Skorne
Do I become a Skorne or stay a human? Either way, fuck.

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>>52348960
>Oh boy, here I go killing again

>>52349109
Any man (or elf in this case) dual-wielding pistols with blades on the handles has to be a bit of a madman.

>>52348995
Not really. He was in Iosan jail for serial murder. The Retribution got him out, taught him a martial art, and then basically said "Go do what you normally do - as long as its to humans you got a carte blanche" and Garryth was more than happy to take that deal.

>>52346484

He was made Commander right after the time skip and then Stryker later demoted him to Major after he got fed up with his insubordination and war crimes. Magnus is officially part of the Cygnaran military.

>>52349310
God, Stryker is such a shit sometimes.

Khador a shit, use all the poison gas you want.

>>52348936
Not sure.

That said, new IKRPG rules have been published for nearly all of the old monsters, so porting it isn't too difficult.

>>52349310
>"wahh, those poison gases that the Khadorans were about to use on us are a warcrime! We should let King Vlad's army kill us all with the weapons we let them keep instead of giving them a taste of their own medicine!"

Stryker was such a cunt in that book. He basically wanted his whole army to be slaughtered because Magnus said it might be a good idea to limit losses.

>>52347248
>Other waifus need not apply
Old Witch is the clear winner.

SO. MUCH. EXPERIENCE.

>>52349426
The irony is that the only reason Magnus had the poison gas is because Khador tried to use it to wipe out the Cygnaran army first, they're just a bunch of fuckups so it didn't work.

The double irony is that Stryker spent the whole book whining about MUH CIVILIANS, but because Magnus used the gas to wipe out the Khadorans he prevented a brutal city fight that would have seen all the civilians displaced from their homes and possibly killed in the crossfire.

>>52344252
BADEST SANTA.
>i get to have awesome MAGIC and also a fucking mechsuit that!?

>>52349546
Old witch is best babushka. But best waifu is sorshka.

t. no Vlad.

>>52349543
>>52349588
Which city was this in anyway?

>>52349543
Except Vlad wouldn't use them either, Harkovich did so behind his back. Stryker's problem with Magnus stems from him being unwilling to follow orders.

>>52349653
>harkovich did
I-i thought hamking was nice.

>>52349635
Riversmet, I think.

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>>52349609
Hey Vlad, how's that arranged marriage going?

Must be pretty constraining, having to be tied down like that. It must feel constricting, being forced to leave that cute young ice maiden for some raggedy forty-year-old.

Probably feels like you're being choked. Choked by poison gas. Poison gas that killed all your men, you filthy fucking pig-mothered subhuman umbrean faggot.

t. someone who isn't marrying loose vag and whose soldiers are still alive

>>52349682
The best Khadoran is still a Khadoran.

>>52349043
I don't think I've played in theme once since MkIII began.

>>52349809
I'm telling babushka on you. She's sending her new friends over to fuck you, you're going to have more weaponmaster dick shoved up your asshole than when we forgot to take butcher's allowance of doomreavers away.

>>52336291
they all committed suicide and recursion didn't bring them back

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>>52349982
>enemies of Menoth
>coming after Cygnar

Yes, this will surely happen.

What the fuck is grymkin deal?
What the fuck is old witch's deal with summoning them?
Aren't they a threat to everyone khador included?

>>52350088
>What the fuck is grymkin deal?

Souls of the dead transformed into ironic demons that reflect their sins in life by semi-divine assholes who were flung into hell by Menoth but managed to turn their punishment into power through pure mad.

>What the fuck is old witch's deal with summoning them?

We don't know. Presumably to fight Menoth, but also to fight something really awful that only she knows about.

>Aren't they a threat to everyone khador included?

Right now they present the greatest threat to the Protectorate, as the leaders of the Grymkin are five or six dudes who he wronged terribly and are now devoted to ruining everything he's ever accomplished. Khador has the second-largest Menite population so yeah, they will probably kill lots of Khadorans too.

Remember that Agha is not really on modern Khador's side. Khador just happens to sitting on the lands she was aligned with in the ancient past.

>>52349682
So did Stryker funnily enough. IIRC, he commented after Magnus showed him the bombs that he wouldn't have expected it from Harkevich based on what he had heard of the man.

>>52350721
I guess becoming a good caster made him a dick.

>>52350721
>>52350802
Could have been an order from on high.

It sounds a lot like something Irusk would do.

>>52349653
But all of Styker's orders were stupid and would have resulted in Cygnar getting it's shit pushed in.

>>52350882
I don't think they were stupid. The use of that particular chemical weapon was reviled and banned, with all copies of it either destroyed or locked in a vault somewhere. Plus, he acknowledges that Magnus is right that more Cygnar lives would be saved using the bombs and just doing things more Magnus' way. He just can't justify falling to that level.

What's interesting is comparing this to when Styker went through his asshole phase against the menites in Cygnar, and I wish there had been some comparisons drawn in the story. Hopefully the next novel followingthose events will have a character who knew him then and is wolling to point that out to him/others.

>>52351100
The Magnus/Stryker thing they've got going is fucking exceptional, and it's a shame they're so insistent on ruining it.

Both of them are patriots, devoted entirely to their country. They are faces of the same coin, and there is so much tension that can be gotten out of that.

Stryker, the paragon of what it means to Cygnarian, a man who attempts to reach the highest peaks of the ideals that his country holds dear, contrasted with Magnus, a man willing to sacrifice anything for the sake of that same country.

Magnus can sit there, asking Stryker "How far are you actually willing to go to protect this land" while Stryker asks Magnus "And is it worth it, if you subvert the very things that make this country what it is?"

There's a shitload of character in between them, tons of history, tons of situations where both of them have made hard decisions for the sake of their country.

And then they turn around and just make Stryker a whiny bitch, and it just doesn't work.

Like, the write up of the plot doesn't bother me. The chemical weapon bit is a good piece to test this ideology on. But if they want this shit to work, they need to not make Magnus so obviously correct, it removes all drama from their interactions.

>>52349682
It does seem really out of character. Maybe he didn't know?

There's some hope for a Khador and Minions's MK3 Command pdf?

>>52351384
>they need to not make Magnus so obviously correct

Magnus is a saint, and can never do wrong. Strykerbois get fuq'd

>>52351593
My guess is that he either had explicit orders or someone else, like Strakhov, set it up.

>>52351100
The story might have been going for that but it didn't work. Stryker was so attached to his moral high ground that he was willing to let the soldiers and campaign entrusted to him, as well as hundreds of civilians, die pointlessly to uphold it.

Meanwhile Magnus may have done something arbitrarily designated as "bad", but his actions were manifestly correct both in terms of military goals and minimization of collateral damage. Also, as far as war crimes go, "banned weapons" isn't the best thing to pick as a moral wrong. Weapons aren't usually banned because of some inherent immorality in their use, I don't think you can really argue that gassing a soldier to death is morally worse than stabbing him in the gut and letting him bleed out slowly in a ditch.

>>52351384
Yeah, it's very hard for Stryker to be taken seriously when Khador is doing shit like letting loose Doom Reavers on civilians.

I mean, if they were fighting Rhul or even Ios, using that gas weaponry would be a pretty repugnant thing to do. But Khador is beyond the moral event horizon. The gas wasn't used on civilians, it was used on invading soldiers - soldiers who fight for a truly despicable regime.

>>52351838
The anti-magnus argument also falls apart a bit more because it was Khador that opened the door to war crimes, it's not Magnus' fault they're bad at them.

Maybe Stryker would have a leg to stand on if the Khadorans hadn't already tried to gas his entire army, which was prevented by Magnus.

>>52348854
Huh, me too.

Clearly there's a market for weird game-term porn.

>>52351973
Exactly.

Having Magnus propose using the gas without Khador doing anything would have been better, like, having them find a hidden cache and he think to use it.

I also think the benefits should have been more nebulous, it shouldn't have been such a clear military advantage.

It should have been more about Magnus willing to do shady shit because it might give them an advantage, and Stryker protesting on clear moral grounds.

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>>52348748

>you'll never hear Saeryn curse loudly in her tent as you nut deep inside her sister

>not fucking Rhyas so hard that her sister pops Conjoin Spirits to get in on that action

>>52351593
If I'm remembering the parley scene between Hark and Stryker Hark looked slightly guilty when Stryker brought it up. But, I don't have a copy on hand anymore.

Shit, so Cygnar has pushed all the way up to Riversmet? That's a significant chunk of Llael taken back from Khador.

>>52353376
Not really. They went up north through resistance lands, then marched to Riversmet, the closest Khadoran fortress. They're basically retaking Llael in the inverse of how the Khadorans conquered it.

Visions of war

Wall breaker,
steel shaker,
commanding those
who dig their graves,
fortifier, gunner,
taken wounded,
born anew in battle

From the north thel come,
bringing The Furlof
the frozen winds

Power born
on the field
of battle,
skill forged in
the fires of war,
fire, hunger, rage

>>52354046
>>52354046
edgi

>>52356244
its the translated runes from that NQ teaser page.

>>52341410
I'd room with Koslov. He seems like a bro.

>>52344252
Baddest Santa, hands down. Mech suit and magic ice powers. Plus, my car could probably use an Enliven or two.

>>52346849
Eventually they will release a Karchev 2 in a colossal because that warcaster would cost colossal dollars and every Khador player would cream their pants and buy him. I kind of want his epic to be more like the End from MGS3. Stupidly powerful wizard in a wheelchair with a unit of 2 poor winterguard grunts who have to wheel his potato body around the battlefield while he magics everything to death.

>>52352104
Basically, the plot of this wargame isn't any good because everyone needs to be locked in a desperate struggle for survival in an unending war with every other faction and that doesn't make any sense at all. Just like every other war game. Ironically when Khador models sucked ass, we won every battle. Now that out models got better suddenly we are Benny Hill-ing around with unspecified macguffin war crime gas that will never come up or matter again.

>>52351968
If you think Khador is beyond the moral event horizon, then who isn't? Just the Swans? The human supremacist zealot nazis who burn the "impure" are well beyond the moral even horizon. Same for the Elven supremacist mage-genociders. Cryx is so far beyond that horizon that its not even worth mentioning. Same goes for Cephalyx, but some how they are probably even further off than their nightmare buddies. All of Hordes except like... half of Trolls, are horrid baddies, way farther down the moral shitter than Khador. And now that you boys in blue just deposed your good guy king in favor of Vinter 2, you want to tell me that you swans are the only good guys in all of Immoren? Fuck that.

>>52356812
>Who is convergence

>>52356615
>Kroak: But rusian

>>52356812
I don't see any problem with the way Skorne operate.

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>>52348748
Quality post, anon

>>52347471
A woman is the greatest danger a man can play with, anon. Being qt as a button helps mask that fact.

>(Xerxis 1) Tyrant Xerxis [+28]
- Agonizer [6]
- Basilisk Krea [7]
- Tiberion [22]
Gremlin Swarm [3]
Mortitheurge Willbreaker [4]
Swamp Gobber Chef [1]
Venator Dakar [4]
Cataphract Cetrati (max) [18]
- Tyrant Vorkesh [6]
Praetorian Swordsmen (max) [13]
- Praetorian Swordsman Officer & Standard [4]
Swamp Gobbers Bellows Crew [2]
Venator Slingers (max) [13]

Can a list without Handlers work? Tiberion is the only real beast in the list, and he already sits at MAT7 PS18 without any buffs, so most likely doesn't need help killing anything. Slingers with Repo3 and a Dakar will be able to fuck the board over something royal, Cetrati with Defender's Ward just don't die, and Swordsmen with a Bellows Crew and a Krea will be able to make it across the board to deliver their 5 dice of damage at PS14. This list even seems good. If I'm missing anything please call me a giant faggot.

>>52357966

Looks okay, test it out anon. I like the gremlin swarm inclusion? Annoying as hell to deal with

Sure, I think a list without handlers can work. Just be careful of fury management.

wait, wait, wait...

Lemmie get this straight. In MKI, they have a Styker and Magus plot point about them being patriots who cannot stand one another. Styker is Magnus's journeymen, rebellion happens, out ranks him and treats him like shit. It becomes the reason Magnus is a cripple. Fast forward to MKII. PP rectons entire story and sets up this whole Magnus/ Caine dynamic (while retconning caines backround from being a from being a hotshot asshole into a super secret agent) and totally push the story in that direction, ruining any potential of the previous white/black swan thing that Mags and Styker had going. Skip in time and into MKIII. New story is the almost the same plot from MKI just with Mags and Styker being older. It's even got the whole "demoted for using dishonorable tactics" thing. And Caine's story is now back to him being a hot shot solo prick again? Complete with him being a merc?

Dumb.

>>52359050
I don't remember them retconing everything.

Caine, for example, has always been a hotshot prick, he got recruited for secret squirrel shit because he's arguably one of the most dangerous men in the setting and because his hotshot antics made for the perfect cover.

I don't know if it's ever explicit, but Caine ended up a secret agent because it let him continue to be a shithead, rather than having to conform to traditional military values.

Honestly, him becoming a merc is perhaps the first time he's truly grown as a character, because it's when he finally decided he wasn't going to murder people just for the thrill of it/because he was told too.

And honestly, the weakest part of the Stryker storyline is easily when he became a not-Nazi, and that's straight out of Mk1. Mk2 Stryker remained the same character he always has been, he just wasn't the focus of the story nearly at all.

And there's nothing in what Magnus did, especially post Vinter, that contrasts with his original personality.

Their presentation of their story can be absolute shit sometimes, but I don't think they've ever retconed it.

>>52359295

Isn't there a NQ story that explains how Magnus became a cripple sans the MKI escalation story?

>>52356812
Trolls and Cygnar probably are the only standard good guys in Western Immoren, yeah. There are good people in Khador (like... two of them that we know of), but Khador as a whole is pretty terrible.

Well, actually, Llael are more 'goodguy' than Khador, as are Ord and Rhul. Ios probably is too, since Ios =/= the Retribution - I'd much rather live next to isolationists than imperialistic expansionists.

So yeah. Cygnar, Ord, Rhul and Llael are the 'goodies' among humans.

>>52359378
>Trolls and Cygnar probably are the only standard good guys in Western Immoren, yeah.
Even Trolls aren't all that good, especially with Hoarluk "Eat the Humans, race war now" Doomshaper being one of their main leaders.

how to (2) play mwarchine?

>>52359971
take warjak
kill enemi
win

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Just in case you guys never played against this; It's fucking terrifying.

Pal royally kicked my ass two weekends in a row (both games ending 5-0 on scenario).

>>52356812
>Same for the Elven supremacist mage-genociders.

Honestly? The selective murder of spellcasters is much less of a crime than the wholesale slaughter of civilians.

Ios is actually pretty nice, if distant. There's a story where a bunch of Fane Knights ride out to defend some bumfuck Llaelese town for no real benefit to themselves.

>>52360097
Eh, it's infantry spam in an edition that fucking ruins infantry, not really sure it's that scary.

>>52360145
TOUGH infantry with the ability to open jacks like tuna cans.

Thexus has a shitload of control elements, like his feat (pushing the entire enemy ARMY 16" is brutal), Hexblast and Telekinesis.

16" charging Wreckers are no joke. I personally would probably say that a third heavy is due, but hey.

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>>52360178
>pushing the entire ARMY due to ctrl 16" is brutal
Swallowed a sentence here.

>>52359359
It changes it from Magnus inadvertently getting crippled after the coup while rejecting Saint Stryker command to him getting crippled when his protégé Stryker turns on him at the last second after Vinter has basically won the Lions Coup. Magnus is poised to "just following orders" on some traitors while the King is doing the supervillain "toy with your opponent while fencing" thing with Leto. Stryker at the last moment turns traitor and quakes a jack or pillar or something onto Magnus, allowing the Primarch he was about to execute suckerpunch the King with magic. Magnus gets forgiven for his actions in the hospital some time after the coup is finalized and demoted to be under Commander Stryker. Stryker dicks him around a bunch and Magnus stabs him in the back and goes into exile. The retcon pulls away from the Saint Stryker angle they were going for when he was PP designated Mary Sue, which i think is for the better.

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Newly defected from Cygnar to Khador what should I look into picking up?
Heres what I own
Sorcha 1
Sorcha 2
Vlad 1
Butcher 1
Zerkova 1
Kozlov 1
Beast 09
Juggernaut x2
Decimator
Destroyer
Kovnik Andrei Malakov
Kovnik Jozef Gregorovich
Manhunter
Man-o-war Kovnik
Widowmaker Marksmen
Greatbears of the Gallowswood
Greylord Ternions
Ironfang Pikemen x10
Man-o-War Demo Corp x5
Man-o-War Shockstroopers x5
Widowmaker Scouts x4
Winter Guard Infantry x10 (with CA and x3 WA)
Winter Guard Mortar Crew

Still waiting for access to the CID forums. Have they changed Grymkin a lot during the CID process this month? Does it look like the process will be effective, or are we still stuck in changes based on the skewed PP internal playtest world?

>>52360640
>The retcon pulls away from the Saint Stryker angle they were going for when he was PP designated Mary Sue, which i think is for the better.

I don't think he was ever really a Mary Sue. He's just a MC tier good guy. Even Haley isn't really a Mary Sue, as she doesn't break the rules of the setting, tends to lose a lot, and isn't an author-insert.

There're major differences between Battlegroup Mk2 and MK3 in terms of mini's sculpts?

>>52349512
Hmmm I will have to reread the witchfire trilogy then to figure out what to do, thinking of running this for a group, not sure though yet.

>>52356812
Is there even a good guy left in circle? As far as I know there was only Baldur who got killed and came back a dick.

>Menoth did nothing wrong

>>52361493
A decent number. The chamges they make week to week haven't always made sense (week 2 they dropped the dread rots speed to make neighslayers more competitive) but all official talks about the process from PP show they're estatic about the overall feedback they've been getting and how much it's helped.

>>52361413
More Jacks. Kodiaks, Behemoth, Destroyers, more clamshells. Just more Jacks period

>>52362012
Kaya is kinda okay, right?

She doesn't just destroy entire villages for little reason like the battlebox sociopath chick. And IIRC Bradigus literally just wants to be left alone.

Kind of /v/ related, but are they going to add in the other journeyman warcaster stories into warmachine tactics or is it dead officially?

Question, is kara sloan a gunmage? I have always wondered this but nothing has been stated about it.

>>52362230
no particular Units or solos I need?
I know with the changes spells being friendly faction mainly we don't use many mercenaries is there anything I should look out for?
Behemoth and a Kodiak were the next things I was looking into.

>>52362376
There was never a promise to give the other JRs their own stories, but apparently we are still supposed to get something else.
Personally I think its dead.

>>52362463

Yes. She was going to gunmage school when they discovered her warcaster powers, then she graduated and did her apprenticeship under Seige

>>52362513
I remembered them saying that they were going to make them xpacs, although the most recent update by them was from augest. Here is kind of hoping that the game is not dead, I honestly have had a ton of fun with it.

>>52361413
The fuck is this?

Is this from Tactics?

>>52363018
it was from the kickstarter tactics video I believe.

>>52359378
Ord is run by a guy called the Bandit King. Not a good guy. Llael was a corrupt aristocracy with no care for their common citizens... so questionable, but probably better than Khador. Ios does not equal Ret, that is true, but since the other Houses of Ios are so isolationist they don't matter to global politics. Rhul is fine, but they aren't humans. So. Cygnar and their fallen client kingdom. Also, the Trolls are not auto goodies anymore because a lot of them are now troll supremacists, which is just as bad as the elf or human supremacists from other factions, but questionably worse due to cannibalism.

>>52361413
Get yourself some bear jacks. Kodiaks, Grolars, perhaps a Ruin.
You have some good options for infantry, but you need some support solos/CAs. Get yourself a Man-o-War Kovnik (or 2 if you want, desperate pace both the shocktroops and the demo corp!) and a the Shocktrooper UA.

>>52362492
You can use mercs, but just bring along Valachev. Nyss Hunters with Valachev, for example, works just fine.

One kind of unit I have been waiting for awhile with Cygnar is for them to have a wizard unit or solo, they have one of the largest wizard orders in Immeron, but aside from some warcasters, none of them are fighting in the army.

>>52363215
>Also, the Trolls are not auto goodies anymore because a lot of them are now troll supremacists

Pretty much just Doomshaper, really.

All the factions have their 'black sheep' sides - there's one or two nasties in Cygnar, one or two good guys in Khador, etc. Trollbloods are overwhelmingly more about finding autonomy and safety than invading peeps.

And Ord is pretty much True Neutral.

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Been away from the game for a good while, so I dredged up the old skorne and taking a gander at changes I wanted to know for the time being if this works. Added the karax UA despite not owning yet simply because it's something I remember really wanting way back when.

>>52363540
>when in doubt eat a train of prisoners
>good guys

>>52363540
Lets see who would be the good guys of the Protectorate

>Kreos
>Anson
>Vindictus
>Darton

Dang not that many huh

>>52363540
Hoarluk eats people.

>>52362492
Widowmaker solo and the new forgelords are pretty cool. Really, if it's not Jacks, just run a shitload of infantry. The kovniks are good for supporting thier respective infantry, and martaling a Kodiak or other low support jack is p good

>>52363573
>>52363658
Yeah, like I said, it's pretty much just Hoarluk and his small subfaction.

The Trollbloods are still not generally aggressors. They conflicts arise from having been displaced and searching for a new home. Every non-Hoarluk warlock in the faction is about this.

>>52363540
Khador is pretty split in terms of good guys and bad.
Butcher and Zerkova are straight evil.
Malakov is a ruthless, selfish dick.
Strakhov and Irusk are pretty bad but at least they are ends justify the means types, even if those means actually don't.
Karchev and Sorsha are neutral. Sorsha due to being an ice queen, Karchev is actually pretty honorable and talks very highly of the Cgynaran Duke who destroyed his body, praising him as being the best soldier he's ever known, and is anti-war crimes, which is a solid plus for Khador.
Vlad is a good guy. Kozlov seems like a pretty good dude, but he might have some awful evil secret, we'll see.
Old Witch is unfathomably evil, but she seems to think her ends justify her means, even though no one has any idea what the hell her means even are.

>>52363519
what are gun mages? chopped liver?

>>52363741
No. You said just Doomie. Now your saying just Hoarluk. My sympathy for the diaspora ends at eating POWs and civies, and unprotected villagers for foodstuffs.

>>52363836
Her ends. Her ends even are. Fuck me, I can't type straight.

>>52363836
>Old Witch is unfathomably good

ftfy u menithe fuk go suckle up on shitwood while you at it suka.

>>52363741
>small subfaction

Doomshaper is extremely popular among the kriels. There are plenty of trolls who find his more extreme message appealing.

>>52363836
Kozlov is going to be homogay for progressive points.

>>52363875
hoarluk IS Doomie.
Hoarluk Doomshaper.

>>52363976
baited.

>>52363963
So? I don't care if he's gay, so long as he bleeds for the Motherland, who fucking cares what kinds of genitals he sucks on?

>>52364024
He sucks on brisbane's

>>52350640
Why does Menoth even fucking bother at this point? His children don't universally follow him like the elves and dwarves, he hasn't made any progress on killing the Wurm, and now there are people in hell trying to rebel.

>>52364202
Sounds like contemporary Catholicism.

>>52364202
>>52364249

Solution: smite Caen and start over

>>52363963
I am incredibly okay with this. Just so long as his lifelong romantic partner is Hark. They'd make a super cute couple.

>>52364378
>Why are they a couple?
>Reposition.

>>52363652
Harbinger? She doesnt seem all outright murdery like everyone else. Anson for sure though.

>>52363652
What about Durst? He's more of a "protect my people and follow muh codes" kind of guy, right?

>>52363836
>ends justify the means... even if those means actually don't.
Found the non-khador player.

>>52363856
Not true wizards aka the fraternal order

>>52364855
durst is anson

>>52364790
Eh she is neutral mainly, she is alright with purgeing people and sending reznik after people. She also leaves a group of morrowens to the cryx cause the priest wont convert.

Tristan is another good guy though, forgot him

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This is disgusting. I feel a little sick for even considering this.

>>52363215
Cygnar = Earth Federation
Khador = Principality of Zeon
Ord = Cosmo Babylonia
Llael = Zanscare Empire
Ios = Jupiter

>>52363652
>Vindictus
>scrutator
>good guy

>>52363836
>Butcher
>bad guy

Kills people who harass women, children and animals, Butcher is the least bad guy in Khador.

>>52366142
Also kills women, children and animals.

Literally killed an entire town.

>>52366482
It was a garrison with only soldiers in it.

>>52366482
He didn't kill a town, it was only about 90 people, and they were probably rebels.

I have been looking at this game for a bit, and want to try getting into it with Mercs. Out of curiosity, what would I be looking at for a viable army? I like the Dwarfs, the siege crawler and such, but I am not sure if I could focus on them without always losing.

Also, what is the game's general policy with terrain? The guys at my local store all seem to just use felt cutouts of various colours rather than actual terrain. Not a huge deal as I can fuck off to another store and play with others, but I want to know if the game is SUPPOSED to be like that and if looking elsewhere would bear any fruit.

Does anybody have rules for extreme colossal wrestling yet?

>>52365706
Oh no, someone took 75 pts of shooting infantry in one list and 100 pts of jacks in other, how can other lists even compete.

It's not even the maximum possible jack or rocket amount.

Also the Vlad battlegroup seems wonky. All jacks are focus hungry on a caster that usually can't spare more than 3.

>>52367078
Have you ever played Vlad? Juggernauts are literally the best thing you can run with him.

>>52366699
2d terrain is preferred.

>>52366699
There are no rules about using 2D or 3D terrain, but there are a lot of people who just use 2D for "playability". I personally fucking hate it.

>>52366699
There are a bunch of reasonably competitive options for Mercenaries.

First up, General Ossrum and as many gunbunnies as you can buy is a ridiculous list and the best thing mercs have right now (which is probably why a nerf is about to come). But even without spam, Ossrum can support a pure dwarf army with his excellent spell-list, ability and feat. Rhul theme with Ossrum is fun.

Damiano runs combined arms (3+ units, ~4 jacks) well with the Kingsmakers Theme. He's pretty good, but relies on Upkeeps to win games (aka: Fuck Menoth)

Magnus2 has always been very ccary; His feat is backbreaking for most scenarios and the Arc-Node+Obliteration combo can sometime setup for a nasty assassination from far away.

Exulon Thexus makes Cephalyx work. His feat is a powerful control element and his command range alongside the ability to channel through his heavies makes his Telekinesis and Hexblast shenanigans annoying as hell.

Captain Bartolo Montador is very predicatle, but powerful nonertheless; Arguably no one runs Galleon as effective as him. Colossal and Heavy Gunlines have obvious weaknesses, but he can blast armies out of existence easily.

What are the important books and what order should I read them in?

I have a Steamroller next Sunday, then I'm travelling to another the weekend after with some friends to rep the home town. It's Wigan then Southport incase anyone here is from the UK. Here's the lists I'll likely be running at both because my fucking Swordsmen and UA ain't arrived yet so sadly Makeda1 is off the table.

>(Rasheth 1) Dominar Rasheth [+28]
- Agonizer [6]
- Mammoth [38]
- Titan Gladiator [15]
- Titan Sentry [15]
Extoller Soulward [3]
Mortitheurge Willbreaker [4]
Paingiver Bloodrunner Master Tormentor [4]
Paingiver Beast Handlers (max) [7]
Praetorian Karax (max) [11]

>(Makeda 3) Makeda & the Exalted Court [+24]
- the Exalted Court
- Archidon [10]
- Basilisk Krea [7]
- Cyclops Brute [8]
- Molik Karn [19]
- Aptimus Marketh [5]
Extoller Soulward [3]
Mortitheurge Willbreaker [4]
Orin Midwinter, Rogue Inquisitor [5]
Paingiver Bloodrunner Master Tormentor [4]
Paingiver Bloodrunner Master Tormentor [4]
Void Spirit [4]
Paingiver Beast Handlers (max) [7]
Praetorian Karax (max) [11]
Swamp Gobbers Bellows Crew [2]
Tyrant Commander & Standard Bearer [6]

The plan is that Rasheth is the go-to list. He can be dropped into most things and have an acceptable or good matchup anywhere owing to how he himself can pull off stupid shit, and a Mammoth is really fucking hard to deal with, especially with +2ARM and +6POW. Makeda3 is a bit more awkward. The list is built around allowing her to bully the board with Sprint + 2" movement, and Karn killing or maiming anything he wants to with relative impunity. Karax are in there because they can do their job without buffs, and Tough helps them do it. The rest of the models are basically there to help Makeda fuck a nigger up.