Would a Cure Disease spellterminate a pregnancy? Or would it

>>52326906
I would go with banishment, because tumors and fetuses are foreign entities in a persons body.

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>>52326906
>Pregnancy is comparable to a disease, a curse, or an evil extraplanar being.

t. Queen of the Roasties

>>52326906
Assuming a normal pregnancy and 5e rules, none of these would work.

1) Pregnancy isn't a disease.
2) Pregnancy isn't a curse.
3) Banishment has two problems.
3a) you don't have line of sight to the fetus;
3b) the fetus doesn't have anything distasteful to it so you can't meet the material requirements. Because it's a fetus.

>>52326936
That's not how Banishment works, stupid.

>>52326936

On the other hand, this is gonna lead to some extraplanar entity visiting you find out why you keep dropping abortions on his head.

>>52326906
Iron Heart Surge oughta do it.

>>52326941
/r9k/, go home.

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>>52326906
Typical casters, always trying to take the spotlight away from martials

>>52326950
In games, but IRL banishing doesn't require LoS.

>>52326906
Pregnancies are not a diesese (I MEAN IN
THE LITERAL SENSE, GO AWAY /POL/!)

That said casting banishment on a fetus seems "technically" sound. A fetus has a very low wisdom modifier and could probably be trapped inside the spell effect forever.

>>52326983
We're obviously not talking about anything IRL, stupid.

>>52326986
Except, see >>52326945

>>52327017
I is juts sayin, banishing is super easy IRL

>>52327070
Are you professionally stupid, or do you just do it for a hobby?

>>52327095
I'm from /x/, so both.

>>52326945
>you don't have line of sight to the fetus
I cast invisibility on the mother so all I can see is the fetus

>>52326906
>>52326961
This is why western birth rates are so low.

Pregnancy is a blessing not a curse.

>>52327399
I don't think it works that way. After all, when you turn a person invisible, you don't see a mass of bacteria and other parasites that are in every human body.

>>52327452
Exactly. But a fetus is a baby which is a second person. It's why Telebortions are a thing. The mother succeeds the will save to resist the teleport but the baby fails and is teleported outside the body.

>>52327410
>A blessing that literally steals your lifeblood
Nah, I think I'll pass

>>52326945

So you need a greater banishment, which has the bonus of being workable on large groups of pregnant women.

Okay so here's the flipside to this: Can you basically perform ceasarians on pregnancies that are full to term like this? But without the surfical intrusion that would ahve been 100% fatal in any setting with medieval levels of medicine?

>>52327410
>Pregnancy is a blessing not a curse.

There's evil spells that undo those too.

If it's a blessing then Necromancers become fairly useful OB/GYN specialists, if it's a curse at least the traditional healer role of clerics remains relevent even for OB/GYN situations.

>>52327989

Does this apply to people with halflings up their ass too?

>>52326906
"No" to all of the above. Probably the simplest (and most tasteful) way to handle this subject is to just consider the fetus as part of the mother till it's birth.

>>52327410
>This is why western birth rates are so low.
I thought it's because we didn't require 10+ children to ensure the parents survive the winter these days.

>>52328392
>But without the surfical intrusion that would ahve been 100% fatal in any setting with medieval levels of medicine?
Actually there were c-sections performed with the mother surviving atleast as far back as the 1500s, though the odds weren't great. And that is with out magic healing that is at least moderately accessible in most fantasy settings that tends to trump modern medicine.

If we use a coat hanger to try and end an abortion, but it fails and the mother gets magical healing will it save the injured fetus?

>>52328971
>If we use a coat hanger to try and end an abortion, but it fails and the mother gets magical healing will it save the injured fetus?

Does the nation where it's taking place consider the fetus to legally be a separate person?

>>52326906
The way I look at it, if it won't stop you shitting it won't stop you being pregnant.

>>52329021
What if the cure moderate wounds spell is cast by a chaotic bard and not a lawful cleric?

>>52326906
HAHA I GET IT

BECAUSE BABIES SUCK

THEY'RE A DISEASE BECAUSE THEY'RE ANNOYING DO YOU GET IT GUYS DO YOU GET THE JOKE

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If a very pregnant woman gets attacked by a Wight, level drained to death, and rises as a wight does the fetus become a baby wight or is it a normal baby?

>>52329037

Do chaotic bards heals cause mutations in fetuses?

>>52329124
In pathfinder at least the wight victims rise in 1d4 rounds, so that's reasonable enough amount of time the fetus could survive without fresh oxygen.

>>52327410
>a literal parasite that steals nutrients from your body to grow, then causes extreme pain to the host when it leaves.
>then you're expected to care for it for the first 15-18 years of its' life, then probably have it siphon funds, food and time from you for another 5+ years.
>A blessing.

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Fetal parasitism, something that is almost unique to humans, is not a defect, it's a feature!

I don't consider pregnancy a disease or a "risk" of sex, even though I'm pro-choice and would even be willing to devout the tax dollars of both myself and others who are ok with it to funding them, within reason.

>>52329171
Have children and then you'll understand.

>>52329037
>What if the cure moderate wounds spell is cast by a chaotic bard and not a lawful cleric?
Then you're playing a shitty edition where bards get clerical spells.

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>>52328434

>>52329079
Anon, we all appreciate you posting a photo of your exposed hind end, but you should probably delete it before a mod bans you.

That looks like a nasty injury, by the way.

>>52329253
I have 3 younger brothers, the 2 youngest I personally helped raise and look after., more cousins than a can count, the youngest of which has been diagnosed with autism and is legally deaf whom I end up babysitting whenever I visit my aunt and uncle.

I've had enough of kids to last a lifetime.

>>52329253
That's not how it works. People say this because people with children generally are happy with having children, but you forget that the reason they have children in the first place is because wanted children. It's stupid to assume that someone who does not want children will suddenly want children after having children.

>>52329124
In 3.5, that's one way to get a Mortif, or perhaps a Ghedan (half-zombie) or Ghul (half-ghoul) - depends on which of the two you consider a wight to be more like.

>>52326906
>Fetal Ejection
>Conjuration
>Fighter1, Barbarian1, Rogue1, Bard0
>Touch
>Save: Fort, partial (see text)
>Target recieves 1d6+Strength Modifer damage, if the target was pregnant, the target is no longer and takes 1d4 Charisma damage, save negates the charisma damage (but not the damage from the bat).
>Focus: Blunt implement

>>52329515
>if the target was pregnant, the target is no longer
Brutal.

>>52326986
Human pregnancies are a bit more parasitic and invasive than the pregnancies of most animals. Still not a disease because reproduction is one of the biggest biological impulses and necessary for the survival of the species but mother and fetus do have somewhat conflicting evolutionary goals.

http://www.bbc.com/earth/story/20150420-why-do-women-have-periods

>>52326986
>Pregnancies are not a diesese (I MEAN IN THE LITERAL SENSE, GO AWAY /POL/!)
But pregnancy is a disease in some other, non-literal sense? Hahaha. The mentality of some people is the only disease, one that makes them hallucinate that something healthy and natural and essential to life is something bad. While all the things that are perverted are good.

P.S. Has there ever been a board more obsessed with /pol/ than /tg/?

>>52329974
>didn't read the thread lol

>>52329124
THERE IS AN ENTIRE DRAGON-MAGAZINE ARTICLE ON HALF-UNDEAD YOU STUPID CUNT

FUCKING SECONDARIES

REEEEEE

>>52326906
Iron Heart Surge

>>52329124
Creepy undead baby in a horror setting.

Angsty teen drama half-undead in fantasy setting

>>52330065
>Has there ever been a board more obsessed with /pol/ than /tg/?

That might have something to do with the amount of bait threads (e.g. orc cultural enrichment) that have been popping up here on /tg/ since the run-up to, and following, the US elections is nothing short of mind-boggling.

If there is any obsession, it's the result of two camps: i) /pol/ trying to force their own brand of autism here on /tg/, and ii) fa/tg/uys telling /pol/ to keep /pol/ threads on /pol/ where they belong.

Now to all the /pol/tards who bother reading this, go ahead and call me a cuck/liberal/libcuck/whatever other name you like that you think means I'm wrong and you disagree with me.

tl;dr: Put the right kind of autism on the right board.

>>52326906

It sort of depends. Technically, a fetus could be considered a normal part of the body -or- an invasive, parasitic structure. The trickiness is in the immune system. The body - and the fetus itself - have a lot of ways to try and prevent the body from rejecting it.

A comparable question would be if Cure Disease would remove a transplanted organ.

Therefore, the question is less about the nature of a pregnancy, and more about the nature of the spell itself.

>>52327410
It's just a natural process that can be life threatening. It does not have an inherent meaning or value besides the ones collectively assigned to it. Because I promise you, Germans circa 1943 didn't think Ms. Edelstein's pregnancy was a blessing.

>>52330699
>Therefore, the question is less about the nature of a pregnancy, and more about the nature of the spell itself.

And this thread is about asking what can change the nature of a pregnancy.

>>52330804
Need some help reaching for that outdated meme?

It's a big leap, even for you.

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>>52330065
I for one am glad /tg/ isn't complacent with /pol/ shitposting and stormfag raids. /v/ needs to learn to be more moderate in their cynicism and disdain, and learn to avoid getting poisoned by the redpilling of know-nothing /pol/acks.

To answer your question, /pol/ is the most obessed with /pol/ because of how blissfully unaware they are about their lack of discussion quality, and they have the mindset of the very millennials they shit on. (By the way, millennials aren't the problem, it's young humans in general since most generations grow out of being arrogantly naive.know-it-alls) /pol/ is a mix of shitposters, stormfags, conspiritards, actual misogynists (not the definition made by so-called "feminists"), and the occasional well-intended alt-righter.

tl;dr /tg/ hates shitposting. /pol/ is full of shitposters. /pol/ doesn't know their place.

>>52330606
/tg/ can have politics, but shitposting about unsubstantiated bullshit and ultra-extreme political views is disruptive and needs to be ignored, maybe even dealt with if anon persists in disruption. I don't mind of OP is a /pol/ack, since I know what quagmire I am getting into, but when a thread is derailed by dumbass-tier politics I get pissed.

>>52330864

how many non-millennials post on 4chan. You're probably either a millennial here or you're Gen Z

>>52330853

Sometimes you don't know if something works unless you try, brah.

YOLO.

>>52331575
Not that anon, but 36 here, been anon since I was 23.

>>52331619
so 1 year older than the millennial cutoff

>>52331575
Am that anon.
Most of /pol/ are one of those "wrong generation" types. I wouldn't hold it against them, since resentment for some people grows from familiarity.
I am willing to say that I am at least younger than 35, but that's it. I don't like my generation, but I didn't really get to know the other ones as much and my generation is still young. Teenagers and young adults have a significant amount of people who are both naive but also think they know everything and overvalue their own opinions too much. Maybe millennial are more guilty of that than others, but I don't have the numbers.

What I don't like about millennials is that they can be overly PC and nosy, which might be a strange complaint if you assumed I was a tumblrite from my last post. I assure you that while I may have relatively liberal views according to the information I've gathered, I know that there is such thing as too much PC and I disapprove of SJW ways of thinking.

>>52330864
>Makes huge butthuet post ragging on /pol/
>Claims not to be obsessed with /pol/
My sides

Just because everything right of center-left is "ultra extremist" to you, doesn't mean things are that way outside your head pal. Disapproving of feminism, immigration and SJWs is hardly "ultra-extreme", moron. How many people has /pol/ killed or terror-bombed in its entire existence?

If you don't like /pol/ then you can either cope with it or get off 4chan, because /pol/ is one of the boggest boards on the site and it isn't going away no matter how much you cry.

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>>52332109
>butthuet
*butthurt
>boggest
No correction needed

>>52332109
If you read my somewhat crude post, you would see that I'm not approving of the current incarnation of feminism.
In here >>52331860, I explain that I disapprove of SJW ways of thinking. To elaborate, while I do accept that the effects of racism/sexism are relevant to the intensity of prejudice and society's general impressions of the target group, I adamantly disagree with those that say that "X can't be racist or sexist to Y". I am also cautious of refugee acceptance, but for me it's more about the economic burden rather than potential violence.

Trying to stoop to or below the levels of SJWs isn't going to defeat bullshit politics, it just creates another faction of bullshit politics.

I understand that many people like you and me are sick of the SJWs antagonizing and marginalizing anyone who doesn't share 100% of their views, which is impossible to do because of how much rabid disagreement and infighting there is among them, just take a look at the LGBT community. I am disappointed in how feminism is being appropriated to complain about trivial things such as "manspreading". Heck, I would consider myself Pro-GG not only on the fact that I don't consider them to be fucking ISIS, but I even share many of their complaints.

This grammarfag >>52332143 isn't me, by the way.

>>52329336
Daily reminder that if you do not want children you are biologically faulty and will be replaced.

Just injure the mother and cast lesser restoration to remove the fetus's corpse.
Wait, would lesser restoration or restoration revive the fetus?

Wouldn't a pregnancy cause temporary ability damage (primarily DEX) and lesser restoration restores ability damage. So wouldn't lesser restoration terminate the pregnancy?

>>52326945
>>52326986

A fetus is not extraplanar.

>>52326906

Just hit her belly with a 1d4 wooden mallet like a normal person, and quit trying to spend your degenerate seed in the first place.

>>52333847

It is if you move the pregnant woman to the outerplanes - then banishments would revert it back to the prime material.

>>52333952
... It would. And then it wouldn't target the fetus. So it's not just Banishment, it's Plane Shift and *then* Banishment. that would do it.

>>52332670
I'm sure you're raising a whole bundle of tykes, right anon?

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>>52326945
>3b) the fetus doesn't have anything distasteful to it so you can't meet the material requirements. Because it's a fetus.

Does a teleport spell include the baby if it grown enough?

>>52334287
That really depends on when a baby is considered a separate creature.

>>52330472
>HALF-UNDEAD
Isn't that just dead?

>>52327410
>Pregnancy is a blessing not a curse.
It's a valuable ability, but also pretty debilitating if it happens at an inopportune time. Not to mention that it's pretty creepy if you don't want to be pregnant.

>This is why western birth rates are so low.
That's more because current economic conditions in Western countries don't incentivize having large families. You NEEDED to have lots of kids when there was high demand for cheap labor, and surviving through childhood was uncertain - and such conditions do still exist in some non-Western countries. But since childhood death is rare in the modern West, and most "respectable" careers require at least a bachelor's degree, it makes more sense to have one or two kids and get both of them a good college education, rather than to have lots of kids you can't offer as much to.

>>52329021
Magic shouldn't be subject to mundane laws, except in cases where the spell description literally references such laws (i.e., a spell that creates any object, as long as it's legal to possess).

>>52332670
>biologically faulty
It's not even evolutionarily optimal that every member of the species. Some people have such bad genetics that them reproducing would be a net negative for the species - yet, they are able to do useful work that increases the survivability of other members of the species. And that's not even getting into the theory that it is sometimes beneficial for otherwise genetically healthy people not to produce, so as to avoid everyone being weighed down with taking care of children.

>replaced
The only role they'll be replaced in because of it is the role of parent, and that's a role these people aren't interested in any way, so why would they care?

>>52329171
you shouldn't take all those things your mom called you to heart anon

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>>52334360
Nope, it's a thing. A half-Lich for example is a Lich at level 4 of the Monster-class template for Liches, capable of resurrecting at the phylactery if a corpse is present within a certain radius, before it forges it's connection with the Plane of Negative energy, thus becoming truly undead.

Half-undead are made when the negative energy signature of an undead Creature's taint affects an unborn child in most cases (Save for Dhampir and Katane)

Tomb-tainted is when one's ecological balance with the Postive/Negative Planes are switched, and one benefits from the other opposed to the natural order of things, A mortibund is a necromancer that has explored this and consumes Negative energy to lengthen their own lifespan.

kill all humans

>>52326906
A pregnancy is a normal biological process, not disease, supernatural magical vexation or extraplanar entity. None of those things would terminate a pregnancy.

The interesting question is what polymorph does.

>>52334711
>a Ukranian famine
>genocide
Lol, what?

>ctrl-f witch
>0 hits
What the fuck guys. Trust a man to mix anything from arcane to divine magic into an abortion when any half-decent witch could brew you proper herbs for that.

>>52335352
It's more of a genocide than the non-existent "white genocide"

>>52335583
This is true. Carry on.

>>52326906

Pregnancy is not a disease you sick fuck.

>>52334955
Polymorph could get weird. If the baby is at full term then it could possibly count as a separate creature and might kill the mother if she polymorphs into smaller creatures but most likely fine if she polymorphs into larger mammals. If the birth is during a polymorph then a human baby comes out of, I dunno, a water elemental.

>>52335863
>a water elemental.
What happens if she turns into a Air/Stone/Fire elemental? With the Air elemental the baby would likely start to fall before being held up by the mother's wind body. With the other two the baby could be turned into smaller lava/earth elementals for the duration of the spell.

>>52330514
Or if it's Z-Nation, both.

>>52327399
>cast invisibility on the mother
>fetus turns invisible too

>>52328208
Its complicated, and since god doesn't speak to me unless I've had too much to drink, DMs can safely make it work however they want without going to hell.

>>52328392
This is a more common thing in fiction than you'd think. I can think of at least 4 modern era stories which feature painless birth.

Also, buddy was supposed to have slipped out his mothers side without causing pain. Plus, he was supposed to have 4 canines on his upper jaw and a 13 inch dong.

>>52329171
How else do you expect to reproduce, anon?

It would probably just be easier to attack the preggo and heal her afterwards
>>52326961
That's a lot of training just for the ability to abort a baby once per encounter

>>52327364
/x/ doesn't pay you

>>52336147
But if you're playing en ERP with a dm who has a impregnation fetish, and your character specializes in killing octupus-like rape beasts after coitus, its the right build.

Source: my favorite hentai.

>>52328208
woman detected

>>52336219
>detect women
casting time 2 rounds
requires line of sight
this spell makes the target's clothes invisible, but only around their genitals

>>52326906

No no, you need a copper wand of coat-hanging.

Could you grab a unborn baby with Mage hand?

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>>52326936
>fetuses
>foreign entities

>>52336593
Also, OP and a surprising amount of people in the thread are retards.

>>52333847
I did specify "in 5e". In 5th Edition, the target of Banishment does not need to be extraplanar.

>>52326906
Or you could just make yourself some pennyroyal tea.

>>52327989
>But a fetus is a baby which is a second person

Is it, though?

>>52326945
>you don't have line of sight to the fetus
I always found this caveat of many spells to be a bit weird. Does this mean that blind people simply can't cast them?

>>52327989
>fetus is a baby which is a second person
In this case you're alignment changes to evil for killing an 100% innocent being.

>>52339278
Yes, unless they have some feature that lets them have line of sight even though they can't actually see, such as Blindsense.

>>52339301
If you ever cared about that you wouldn't still be on this website.

>>52339340
What?

Ancient martial spell "big cock to a rostie cun'" made her preggo ancient martial spell "kick to the cunny's bunny" fixes it.


only martial fight martial.

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>>52326906

>>52328434
...Y'know, now that you got me thinking about it I'd say no, partially just to fuck with people who tried it and partially because halfings aren't people

Use smite evil.

As indifference and selfishness often can be seen as evil or the roots of evil. I would argue that an unborn baby/fetus is evil or at least neutral by default. Then again the woman needs to be good or be able to tank through it.

>>52341538
Babies don't count as evil or not since they effectively have 1/8 HD

>>52326906
Not really.
Expel Parasite would do the job though.

Would Black Tentacles end a pregnancy?
How much damage is transferred to the baby when the mother takes a hit?

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Abortion is necromancy.

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>>52326906
>When every stupid non-lore chucklefuck here hasn't played the 3.5 questline with Asradorn the Red Dragon to know about the Ban on The Unborn

[Asomodeus laughing as he feeds on unbaptized aethiest baby souls]