I like knights.

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So do I, espcially outside of their usual setting

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>>52315076
>I'll joust you so hard

>>52315076
Fucking techno knights are the sickest shit, surpassed only by corporate barbarians.

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Wizards are better

Landowning vassals of a king that existed to manage the king's territory and also muster armies should there be need of them? Or... like... just dudes in armor?

>>52315310
Only when they're super ripped.

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>>52315337
Like this?

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>>52315310
kung-fu wizards are vastly superior to normal wizards

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>>52315337
>ripped
Bitch please, who needs a jacked body when you got reality manipulation?

Fucking pleb.

>>52315372
> Not having both.

>>52315347
THIS is ideal human everything.

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I like pretty knights

>>52315400
delete smelly knight

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>>52315370
>going melee range
>dead wizard

Yeah, prolong the fight while I end the fucking threat in under a second from afar.

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>>52315321
Generally when I say "knight," I'm thinking of some level of warrior nobility, but the exact historical definition isn't strictly necessary. I also tend to include members of religious military orders, as well.

Wizards using mundane weapons and physical combat is fucking retarded. It's unrealistic and makes no sense.

At least LotR gave valid reasons for Gandalf doing it.

>>52315446
>wizards
>unrealistic

You don't say.

>>52315446
I would call your attention to >>52315370

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>>52315370
Run at me with your flaming fits while I polymorph you into a vagina. I bet you couldn't complete your Evocation exams and decided to train with inferior fighters instead.

Get the fuck out.

>>52315446
BEYOND pointing out that there's anything realistic about magic, why would you say it's more realistic for a wizard to not be proficient in close quarters combat? Is it because you think all magic should be exactly how DnD does it?

>>52315514
>>52315466

Trying to add realism to fantasy can have great rewards, just look at A Song of Ice and Fire.

>>52315514
>Is it because you think all magic should be exactly how DnD does it?

Depends on the setting in question, not to mention that battlemages are in the vast minority in fantasy fiction.

>>52315522
Still waiting for the next fucking book to come out, if ever.

>>52315522
More like "A Song of Dropped That Gay Shit First Season"

>>52315483
>implying kung-fu wizard doesn't have a bunch of abjurations protecting from that sort of thing
>implying kung-fu wizard can't just slow time to cross the distance between you
>implying you can cast spells while getting flame-punched in the face
>implying kung-fu wizard won't have superior use of area control magic

>>52315552
The gayness of the show was bizarre, as none of that was in the books.

Loras was an incredibly talented and intelligent knight that just happened to be homosexual, rather than the bimbo the show portrayed him ass.
Martin's editor was even vocal about it.

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>>52315576
Sorry, all my contingency spells countered all of that while you were doing flips in midair.

>>52315271
>corporate barbarians

wut

>>52315576
>>52315612
>nuh-uh! yeah-huh!

You're both huge dorks who should have outgrown this bullshit twenty years ago at least.

>>52315612
why do you assume kung-fu wizard doesn't also have contigency spells?

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>>52315659
Because I can.

I win.

>>52315649
well we haven't so if it annoys you ignore it

>>52315576
>>52315612
Dude, just accept that you each like different wizardly aesthetics, it's not a big deal.

>>52315659

In all honesty, I don't think the multiclass monk/wizard is going to be as proficient as the full-out wizard here.

Giving it to the scholarly gentleman that actually knows how to counter threats rather than charging them.

>>52315688
This.

>>52315702
>assuming D&D for wuxia wizards

Eww, gross.
Opinion discarded.

sword < sorcery

sorry

>>52315750
>90% of every fantasy setting ever

Yeah, my point still stands.

>>52315781
>D&D is 90% of fantasy
combined with the frogpost this is fairly conclusive proof that you're just trolling

>>52315850

Nah, I'm referring to every fantasy setting ever, period.

>YER A TROL
Jumping to conclusions, are we?

Whether you like it or not, the stereotypical wizard is far more persistent than the battlemage. That's just how fiction went down.

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gonna dump what "knights" i have

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>>52315966

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Wizards are far superior to battlemages, I can agree with the consensus on that.

Doesn't mean they can't look cool.

>>52315997
Why mage knight? You will never be as good as a veteran warrior, or as powerful as a scholarly magician.

But then again, the FF red mage is like that, and people still love him for what he does.

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>>52315986

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>>52315370
>kung-fu wizards are vastly superior to normal wizards

Such delusions

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>>52316090

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>>52315310
>>52315370
I prefer mage knights.

>>52316035
i forgot pic so i thought to edit and then i was slow.

A true mage knight isn't one who does warrior things and mage things, he does magewarrior things. He doesn't need to wield his sword better than a fighter, because he can make it fucking on fire, or phase through the guys shield, or any number of bullshit things. Blasting him with magic? good luck, guys been charming the shit out of his plate for years, you aren't getting through that, if you can hit him.

Lets not forget that you don't need to overkill you enemies with 50ft fire balls when you can shoot 10ft ones and won't die to an arrow.

Fuck yeah mage knights.

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>>52316154

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I've got a couple exotic knights.

>>52316134
>Blasting him with magic? good luck, guys been charming the shit out of his plate for years, and aren't getting through that, if you can hit him.

Yet, the scholarly magician will know just what you did to do any of that, and bypass it relatively easily. He will understand magic far better than you do. You're not specialized in anything particular compared to the other two.

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>>52316258

>>52315419
where's this "girls are smelly" meme come from

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>>52316277

>>52316265
He can understand, but he is an old ass man, who's spells require range to work when you can just fucking walk up to him and flick him over.

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>>52316335

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I like death knights.

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>>52316320
>when you can just fucking walk up to him and flick him over

Assuming you can even do that, what with all the contingency spells hung around the wizard. Sounds like you're trying to make your 'mage knight' a mary sue / gary stu

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>>52316265
> bypass it relatively easily
Can you bypass my speed, spurned by my magics to super human levels? My strength, backed by the fiery flash of my fury?

Will your strikes break my shield, supported by the energy's of the cosmos? made of steel and magic, intertwined perfectly.?

Will you be able to survive my charge?

It is not power that will win a fight, but how you use it.

>>52316320
>old man snaps fingers
>mage knight dies before he even makes it three feet.

Boy, sit down.

>>52315624
>>52315271
i too am intrigued
what is a corporate barbarian

>>52316409
Wow what are you some kinda nerd

>>52316386
>suggesting that you arn't doing the same thing for the wizard

>>52316417
How though? no context for power levels

>>52316409
>time stop
>polymorph
>spontaneous combustion
>blood to acid
>compress metal

Yeah, there are plenty of ways to outplay a battlemage.

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>>52316423
Sorry, your 'mage knight' wasted years on physical combat over mastering magic further like the actual magician did.

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>>52316472
End of dump for now.
I'll try and get more.

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>>52316450
A true battlemage isn't a dude in plate that casts spells, it's just a full-blown wizard that has combat experience and is primarily used to casting spells on a battlefield.

>>52316481
>actual magician

Slight of hand on a Vegas stage isn't relevant experience for combat

>>52316409
>Can you bypass my speed
I cast time stop, or just prevent you with prepared shields

>Will your strikes break my shield
Don't need to, I will telekinetically squash your inner organs

>Will you be able to survive my charge
Teleportation, illusions and shields. Or just prevent you from getting closer using battlefield control.

>It is not power that will win a fight, but how you use it
Yeah, exactly. Wizards end threats right then and there, they don't draw it out like you're suggesting.

This isn't worth the discussion, battlemages look cool and all, but they're not practical enough when fighting actual wizards, I'm sorry.

>>52316544
>my definition of magician equates to every magician ever

Dumbass

>>52316519
Depends entirely on the setting in question.

>>52316584
That's literally what you've been doing this entire time.

>>52316629
Most everyone here, actually. This entire topic is pointless and completely irrelevant to what the OP originally posted.

>>52316418
Just an idea I had for a barbarian in a setting where the universe is an endless office building.

>>52316409
Darth Vader wouldn't last a minute using a lightsaber against the Emperor, lol

You posted the wrong image for your argument.

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Can you fucks talk about important shit now?
Like how halberds are the best weapons for knights?

>>52316794
Did you intentionally post a picture of a glaive?

>>52316286
The 1st through 4th grades

I.E. roughly 60% of the people on 4chan, 40% of /tg/.

>>52316843
Yes.

>>52316768
Actually, the emperor can't really fight anymore.

In his prime? Yes, the emporer was a fucking badass, after the clone wars (when vader showed up) he was weaksauce.

Has lightning hands and all that, but can't hold it for too long. If it was saber to saber, vader wins from brute force.

>>52316956
>Actually, the emperor can't really fight anymore.

The extended universe seems to disagree with you. He was still using lightsabers on multiple occasions 2-4 years before Luke showed up on the second Death Star.

It's also canon that Vader had no confidence in his ability to challenge him.

>>52316956
>>52317004
And you're forgetting how he choked out a guy half way cross the galaxy.

>>52316956
The Emperor fights using the Force, buddy.

He curbstomped Starkiller.

>>52315896
Only because autists have a hard time grasping abstract concepts and blurred distinctions.

>>52317055
The Emperor could rip open space and create black holes and summon/teleport individuals across the galaxy in an instant.

He also casually leeched the lifeforce of an entire planet to sustain himself.

>>52316609
Yeah nah fuck you

Uncrippled Vader vs Younger Sheev

Who wins?

>>52316794
But that's fucking wrong

>>52317146
Which younger Sheev? His actual past self or the one that came back after his original death?

Vader was arrogant and stupid as fuck in his youth, I would still give it to Sheev either way.

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>>52316418

>>52316869
Okay cool. No fowl then

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>>52317146
>Younger Sheev
Palpatine only got far more powerful the more he aged, you're crippling him by default.

>>52315428
And when your spells fail?

>>52317294
And when they don't?

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Anybody got an idea of what kind of sword this is?

>>52317364
Seems to small for a zweihander to me.

>>52317263
>>52317172
I mean both of their younger versions.

Alternatively, their apex powers and skills in a healthy body.

>>52317364
A heavily damaged one

>>52317463
I would still say Sheev Palpatine would be the victor. He repeatedly and canonically referred to as the single most powerful individual in the entirety of Sith history.

Vader supposedly had more potential, but he lost it all due to the outcome of his duel with Kenobi.

>>52315400

> Dva knight

So... she wears a giant suit of armor over her normal, lighter suit of armor?

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>>52317319

Your entire stance utterly depends on your magic being all powerful and all-solving. You are presuming that your magic automatically trumps their magic without knowing anything about it, simply because he focuses on a different school than yours.

Pretend the other guy isn't a blithering retard. If he is a kung fu wizard, do you really think he doesn't know counterspell, or worse yet spell reflection? You think an order of magical melee combatants have, in the history of their tradition, never had to deal with a motherfucking fireball before?

Enjoy fighting an enemy that can flying kick from half a mile away, can slap away spells with his bare hands, and when he punches you it breaks your contingency without triggering it.

>>52317563
That makes a load of sense.

>>52318021
>and when he punches you it breaks your contingency without triggering it

You're trying way too hard.

>>52318021

Realistically speaking, you are dead wrong about a good few things. If magic existed, it wouldn't go the way you picture it. Wizards would end the threat in an instant, physical combat would be literally impossible.

The stereotypical wizard is just far more powerful in general compared to the magic monk guy that expects a fair and honorable duel, mono a mono.

>>52316258this would be a great, even historically accurate picture for some time frames, if it weren't for the mysterious steam gadget attached to his back. It's attached to his helmet, what is it even doing? Is that knight vaping?

>>52318228
> If magic existed, it wouldn't go the way you picture it. Wizards would end the threat in an instant, physical combat would be literally impossible.

Okay. Lets test that theory.

You have the magic system from Mistborn. Its magic, so tell me how Allomancy makes physical combat 'literally impossible'.

Or do you only count settings that let you do literally anything with no real cost or consequence as having 'real magic'?

>>52318353

I'm not the previous anon, anon. I'm just stating my opinion on the matter. My point is that the vast majority of fictional settings (predominantly fantasy, but sci-fi as well) have the classical wizards being rather higher on the 'oomph' scale compared to physical oriented magic-users.

Of course, this entirely depends on the individual in question. I'm merely stating that in general and in potential, the wizard is just better.

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>>52315370
>Believe it!

>>52319854
Ninjas aren't exactly wizards.

You might as well call what they do magic, however.

>>52319956
Come now, anon. Nothing in the Naruto-verse is even remotely "ninja"; however, it is reminiscent of wizard-monk.

>>52315584
Yeah, the show has the problem of it being on HBO. HBO used to show softcore porn back in the day and that still pretty much taints everything it does.
People talk about the show because people don't READ anymore, and while the books certainly aren't any more realistic they are far less internally inconsistent at least.

>>52320042
It's pretty much a ninja world.

>>52320090
>and while the books certainly aren't any more realistic
The show has absolutely lost their focus on realism, the thing that the novels are known for, despite some counterpoints.

I was infuriated with the depiction of Valyria on screen. It, what, took Jorah and Tyrion a couple days to pass through a landmass the size of India? Nonsense. I hated all of that.
I might just be obsessed with geography.