Do you agree with this, /tg/?

>calling out questionable behavior
Yeah to a point. But let me have my raunchy language and coarse jokes. If I had to walk around in my LGS like I was at my office every day I would probably go insane

>>52290844

I don't play Magic, but in my experience with gaming clubs the /tg/ hobby scene is not a friendly environment to women. Women had a high attrition rate at my own club because it was full of spergs who couldn't hold their spaghetti. The ones who stuck around were usually just as awkward and weird as the men.

This thread can go nowhere good.

>>52290864
>I'd go insane if I couldn't be sexist

>>52290844
Completely cool with. Part of me thinks once she gets what she says she wants she'll just go and fuck the one dickhead who treats her like shit but that part of me if misogyny and sexual frustration.

>>52290905
If you can't handle the bants, don't come to the store

>>52290872
>This thread can go nowhere good.

This. If there's ever going to be any change it'll just happen, and not because someone wants it to.

>>52290905
Raunchy behavior =/= sexism

>>52290844
>acting like there is one unified magic community
It probably would be more effective and less obnoxious to simply tell "Steve McKenzie/the folks at LGS X is/are massive sexist assholes" instead of "you're part of a sexist hobby, do something".

That way people express their complaints, assholes are tagged, and folks that just want to enjoy a card game in peace can.

Too many words

>>52290905
Whether or not raunchy language and coarse jokes are sexist depends on the specifics of the language and the jokes, doesn't it?

I mean, shit, Rick and Morty is super popular among lefties and it's composed of 50% raunchy language and coarsse jokes.

>>52290844
I enjoy watching dudes wring their hands about how they're actually an oppressed minority.

It's like, "You're smarter than the women, so use your dude brain and figure out a solution to your problem".

So yes, I agree with OP and his desire to make yet another /pol/-tier troll thread on muh beloved Mexican racecar collector's forum.

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I know you're just baiting for 'you's, but in my opinion women who want to join an environment or hobby that has been predominantly made by men for men, should learn to adapt to it instead of trying to change it to fit their own views.

I don't see male fashion designers going to Victoria's Secret and demanding models to wear briefs or male lingerie.

>>52290905
Believe it or not there's a difference between outright "sexism" and people just being comfortable enough to be less then reserved. Yes autism is an issue and the assorted /tg/ hobbies attract these people in literal droves.

but let's not pretend that jonny neckbeard breathing down m'ladies neck from the moment she walks in is the same as overhearing a prepare your anus joke from three tables over

>>52290930
>This. If there's ever going to be any change it'll just happen, and not because someone wants it to.
When has that ever happened in history in terms of fighting discrimination?

>one day slavery just ended
>one day women could just vote
>one day gay people just were getting beaten less
None of the above is an accurate representation of history.

>>52290905
>Raunchy language and course jokes
>Automatically sexist

Ok let's flip this bitch, it is perfectly acceptable in almost any situation to tell the same joke so long as it isn't about a woman. The point being made is that people have things they want to say that aren't exactly in line with the status quo. An outlet for this is around, normally a group of guys and introducing one woman to that shouldn't force everyone else to change their behavior.

No people shouldn't be complete asshats because you have a vagina, but they shouldn't have to tip toe around you either. If you don't like the people or the atmosphere leave and try and find another. If there isn't then nut the fuck up and ask politely for the person to maybe ease off a bit, not full stop but not make every other thing out of their mouth about it.

Be a fucking adult and try and compromise over the issue, this fucking crusade of making everything a clean and safe environment for all is pants on head retarded because it's demanding people conform to the outliers of a group.

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I HATE WOMEN SO FUCKING MUCH.

>>52290987
This. We need to call out legitimate sexism when we see it, but not condemn everything that could be misconstrued as sexist.

>>52290986
That article title is dumb. If those things are making women feel less welcome, it's unfortunate, but whatever, those women can watch Star Trek if they want to get it. The real problem is that women are listened to less in STEM classrooms, especially when put in groups of their peers, and sometimes explicitly told they don't belong because they're women.

Your Victoria's Secret example is dumb because in this case we're talking about women getting into hobbies because they like them, then making criticisms from the inside. Just like how you might complain about some MTG color not getting a fair shake in the newest block, or some cards being over-cost.

It's just that they're experiencing an issue with the game (and/or the surrounding community) that you haven't.

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>>52290905
you dont belong here

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>>52290963

>>52290844
It was a mistake to let women out of the kitchen

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NORMIES GET OUT. THIS IS ONE OF THE LAST UNTOUCHED HOBBIES BY YOUR FILTHY NORMIE HANDS. REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

>>52291085
>and sometimes explicitly told they don't belong because they're women.
never actually witnessed that

I heard women don't shower for days at a time.

>>52290844
>go into a male dominated hobby
>don't want men to act like men

>>52291067
>>52291103
>>52291121
I've been playing D&D since the early 90s and Magic: The Gathering since 2004 or so. I've been on 4chan since 2006. I think sexism is a real problem in /tg/ hobbies in general and should be dealt with.
>>52291146
They should get along well with /tg/, then.

>>52291160
>men are genetically hardwired to be sexist
Looking for that citation.

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>When women pretend to like board games for attention and struggle to appear as if they know what's going on the entire time.

>>52291146
Well, perfume was originally invented to cover foul stench of unwashed body, but it was less of a women thing and more of a French thing.

>>52291186
>taking jokes and male behavior as sexist
You're the sexist here

>>52290844
Sure. We're all playing a children's card game, there's no reason to make people feel unwelcome unless they're actually terrible.

If you're being courteous to people though, that's enough. You shouldn't be expected to police the whole hobby. This shit is not my problem if I'm not contributing to it.

>>52291121
It's too late anon. 5e is the best selling edition of D&D ever and its all because Matt Mercer and his roleplaying buddies stream for normies on twitch and the McElroy brothers make funny jokes on their podcast

The colonization of your hobby has begun and there's no stopping it. It's ours now.

>>52291146
yes
can confirm
its disgusting
like - even the pretty ones
and they arent even ashamed of it

>>52291121
Mate, we've been in these hobbies for almost 3 decades.

>>52291206
OP's image literally refers to stores being "unwelcoming" to women. It says nothing about "making jokes" or even "male behavior" in any blanket sense.

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>Tfw you ask the girls to play every game evening but they refuse and put the kettle on for you instead.

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>>52291085
>The real problem is that women are listened to less in STEM classrooms, especially when put in groups of their peers, and sometimes explicitly told they don't belong because they're women.

How to spot someone who knows jackshit about STEM.

Women are treated like fucking unicorns, and they even get special scholarships for less score than their male counterparts (because they have a female quota).

Not to mention the millions of support groups and organizations existing just to beg them to pick up programming or anything math related.

>Your Victoria's Secret example is dumb because in this case we're talking about women getting into hobbies because they like them, then making criticisms from the inside. Just like how you might complain about some MTG color not getting a fair shake in the newest block, or some cards being over-cost.

I'm not going to join football because I like playing with the ball, but throw a shitfit when someone in the other team starts cheering and making loud noises after scoring a goal.

>It's just that they're experiencing an issue with the game (and/or the surrounding community) that you haven't.
The point is that it's not an issue, bantz is a core aspect of a competitive game between men. If they don't like our behavior they should suit themselves and make female-only tournaments, just like they did for Chess and esports.

>>52291236
How are the stores unwelcoming to women exactly?

>>52291249
I don't know. Ask the creator of that comic. But if stores ARE unwelcoming to women, that's shitty.

Most FLGS need to be run like actual businesses and not like a club for the owner's/cashier's sperg friends to hang out.

You hear shit every day that would rightfully get you kicked out of any other place of business, and because the owners don't care to do anything about it you just get a bunch of increasingly comfortable autists being more and more comfortable backbiting whoever isn't around until someone says niggers and the owner realizes he hasn't had new customers in four months.

>>52291249
They have Geek culture stuff everywhere to repell and make them feel unwelcome.

>>52290986

>talking about Star Trek is sexist

what a time to be alive

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Why was this thread made? OP why did you feel the need to post this? There are no outcomes where this thread isn't shitted up by one side of the argument or another

>>52291264
There is no reason to think that they would be, ever. The comic is retarded and so are you for trying to virtue signal so hard in this thread.

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>>52291249

I feel like a girl walking into a LGS or gaming club and immediately finding herself the Fedora Brigade's next target is an unwelcoming experience.

Overall though, I think the "issue" is these hobbies attract a lot of socially retarded idiots who can barely function around other men, much less women they think are hot.

>>52290844
No.

But I don't feel like arguing with bait, so here's my sage-ly advice.

>>52290864
Maybe I'm in a weird spot but have you never heard the words: "Family Store"?

>>52291323
>socially retarded idiots who can barely function around other men, much less women they think are hot.
this so much

Isn't it sexist if the women are trying to change the men?

>>52291329
maybe his LGS doesnt call itself that?
Mine sure dont, almost everyone there swears like a sailor

>>52291323
/thread

>>52290844

Nah. People who complain about the behavior of others are in 99% of cases just self-righteous assholes who get a rush from making other people feel guilty over nothing. People like that are so common that at this point I'm assuming everyone who even uses the words "sexism" or "racism" is automatically full of shit unless proven otherwise. Needless to say, holier-than-thou twats are a detriment to the hobby and presence of them is likely to make me take my business elsewhere to avoid the annoyance.

The remaining 1% is cases where there's an actual problem, but people who cause actual problems tend to eventually sort themselves out because they do something that gets them a lifetime ban from the store and/or jailed.

This is a bunch of horse shit. Yes there are sperglords who will reeee at women playing warhams or whatever and there can be some orbiting going on if there is an attractive grill. But for the most part this is made up victim complex bullshit from attention whores who don't give two fucks about the actual hobby. From time to time we have grills come in to the LGS either with their bfs or by themselves and everyone is super courteous and nice, in fact I would go so far as to say the language gets toned down a bit of a grill is around. This is just standard feminist garbage.

>>52291163
So don't play with sexists and mind your own damn business.

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>tfw there's a girl in the game and all the beta's are playing it easy so she'll win and you bring your A game and clean up farting and burping loudly and the bitch contacts you after looking to fuck because you spend all day at the gym and didn't talk about Star Trek or Wars or whatever.

>>52291329
That is up to the owner's discretion, if they want to be a family store then yes they should, but apparently where that anon plays doesn't care so much for that.

So now it comes down to if you don't like the atmosphere find another. If there isn't one then try a discussion to compromise but asking people to conform to what you want when being an outlier is stupid.

>>52291245
Trust me, that degree in gender studies made them an expert in STEM fields why else would they pay so much for their useless degrees? That would imply that it was a bad decision and that maybe they aren't as smart or beneficial as STEMlords who are all cishet white males.

And that would be sexist/racist/homophobic/transphobic

>>52291323
>immediately finding herself the Fedora Brigade's next target is an unwelcoming experience.

So much fucking this.

Whenever my wife is looking to buy another set of mini's she either orders online or asks me to go pick it up for her. Why? Because every time she went in, and I wasn't with her, some fat ass autist would stare her down, try to accidentally touch her, and boast to his buddies about what he'd do to her.

My wife should not need to wear a fucking Burqa into the LGS. This is not fucking Saudi Arabia. I should not need to escort her around a game store because some desperate retard doesn't know how to respect other people.

>>52291391
>edgelord detected
>huge chip on shoulder detected
Show me where on the ideology did the feminist touch you?

>>52290844
Except her real problem is the fat ugly neckbeards around her and the card art of women that are sexier than her.

>>52291430
>>52291390
>not a family store
Fair enough, but I've dealt with fucks who take that as the default often enough that they think it's totally chill to do even when it's really not and we've told them multiple times to correct their behavior.

>>52291409
>beta's

Nobody is telling you not to say "shit" or "fuck" (unless it's a "family store" and they do tell you not to say those things because kids).

Archer was nominated for an award (I don't remember if it won) for best depiction of a gay character. Cracked is super left-leaning and even "social justice" oriented, and yet makes jokes about prostitutes and the word "teat" being funny. Rick & Morty has jokes about a woman trying to get her husband to replace his dick with an alien dildo and a teenage girl who pisses her pants all the time, and the left loves it.

If there is a problem, it isn't you saying a potty word or even making a sex-related joke.

>>52290959

This is the best response. Some communities work to maintain an environment to welcome women, children and new players. The ones that don't slowly die off after so much time and their "steady" group abandons the hobby one by one.

You're looking at a hobby that does attract a lot of "That Guy"s. But trying to paint everyone with a broad brush doesn't help.

>>52291409
>are playing it easy so she'll win
she dont wanted a looser

>>52290844
Wow! People being assholes is *somehow* magically tied to their gender! More news at eleven!

>>52291249
Because they're full of sexually undesirable men. That's literally the only explanation for this, since we all know girls will put up with chads who treat them like shit

>>52291493
yeah but 'retard' and 'rape' are straight out and I can't have a good unless I can tell the Aristocrats joke from start to finish with every D&D character I play

I'm sure that LGS' penchant for becoming caves for loitering neckbeard hamplanets is completely unrelated to why most also have the life expectancy of a goldfish.

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>>52291440
Yea but your wife has a normal respected life outside the LFGS. The disgusting beta, as much as it is his own fault, lives a pathetic life of social squalor.

What do you want to ban their kind from their sanctuary so your wife can buy mini's once in a blue moon?

Game stores already wish disgusting omega neckbeards didn't exist but they do and there's nothing you and your wife protesting can do about it.

Their awkward stares are nothing to to the bullying and Pariahlike destitute they face day to day.

>>52291515
They're full of sexually undesirable men who either fawn over anyone with extra estrogen and/or rebuke them for not wanting to fuck them instead of their pre-existing "chad" that they've been with since before they stepped foot in the store.

>>52291522
>I can tell the Aristocrats joke from start to finish with every D&D character I play
at the same time?

>>52291289
It's because the only female captain to have been a main character was a mary sue.

>>52291542
While I agree the fedora lords are genuinely retarded and make the rest of us look bad, the girls would bitch regardless

>>52291289
Talking in general is undesirable these days.

look, if we gassed all the beta males, this hobby would have like 5 people left in it with a Y chromosome
theres just not much that can be done about it, other than ignore the stench and the social awkwardness

>>52291550
Correct me if I'm wrong but wasn't she the Mary Sue that defined the fucking term?

>>52291533

>What do you want to ban their kind from their sanctuary so your wife can buy mini's once in a blue moon?

Not him but I don't think anyone's talking about banning Fedora Frank and Nice Guy Nick from stinking up their favorite LGS. Just it's not unreasonable to sympathize with women who just wanna go buy Magic cards or play a game of D&D without fear of someone creeping on them.

>>52291621
I'm talking about Janeway.

Bitches ain't nothing but hoes and trix

>>52290844
Magic will always be the tabletop game with the worst social environment because it's the garbage dump where players with no social skills end up. To be part of an RPG campaign or board game night, you have to be able to secure an invitation to a small, exclusive social circle. You have to have the social skills to get along with the same group of people for a long time. To a lesser extent, tabletop wargames also involve spending time and effort maintaining social ties, agreeing to play certain scenarios, interpreting vague rules, etc. But Magic's heavily templated and unambiguous rules mean that you don't need to know any of the people you play with - and more importantly, you don't need to like them. Magic is the tabletop game that it's easiest to get into and hardest to be thrown out of.

>>52290993
>>one day slavery just ended
>>one day women could just vote
>>one day gay people just were getting beaten less
>these are equivalent demanding a niche interest change to accommodate an even smaller population

>>52290993
None of those except slavery ending are good

>>52291648
>I don't think anyone's talking about banning Fedora Frank and Nice Guy Nick from stinking up their favorite LGS

Never clicked on one of these bait threads, huh? Whyd you decide on today to make this particular bad decision?

>>52291163
>I think sexism is a real problem in /tg/ hobbies in general and should be dealt with.
These tells me you've never experienced any real problems in your life.

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>>52291692

>Whyd you decide on today to make this particular bad decision?

I like to live dangerously.

>>52291666
>666
I dunno satan your logic goes back up the other way too, why shouldn't niche interest demographics making a demand known to a small community be incapable of causing change on that same small scale?

Because if they can't effect change in the community/cultural/hobby arena, why should we expect effecting change to be remotely possible in a national/economical/legal arena.

>>52291730
>I dunno satan your logic goes back up the other way too
No, it doesn't. One of those describes the ending of a dehumanizing act of barbarism. One is expanding political agency to half the adult population. One is about ending physical violence and death to people. One is about making like 15 people more comfortable who may in fact be overreacting.

One of these things is not like the other. One of these things just doesn't belong.

>>52291693
I don't know, I wouldn't say it's a problem so much in the 'national outcry, PANIC!' sense but in the: "This shit is easy to address and fix, why the fuck is it still around? It's fucking embarrassing" sense, it really is fucking bizarre.

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>>52290844

Nothing like a good old Magic game where my opponent is telling me
>how terrible and sexist the Magic community (that i'm part of) is
>how awful problematic and unwelcoming LGS stores are (obviously talking about the store she's currently sitting in run by my good natured and kind hearted friend who wouldn't stand for any of this but, fuck him and fuck his problematic store)
>how I should be on the lookout for problematic behaviour. actively challenging and calling it out and not doing so means I'm part of the problem.

I'd totally love being talked at about these things while I just want to play some fucking Magic.

Having to deal with bullshit like this is *totally* not what causes groups of players to close ranks and only play each other, (while being told this is also problematic as well)

>>52290905
>>52290927
>>52290948
>>52290972
>>52290987
>>52291039
>>52291103
Literally this easy to asspain neck beards on the internet

>>52291730
because changing the political opinions of a country's population is different from trying to change the beliefs of neckbeard spergs in regards to social boundries and personal space?
and also because one is obvious, unavoidable outright oppression, and the other is easily avoided spergs being awkward at you?

>>52291792
>it really is fucking bizarre.
>it's really bizarre that a subset of people who have been social outcasts in regards to the rest of the population are weird as fuck and often uncomfortable to be around
Yeah, it's crazy.

I feel like this article is relevant:

https://status451.com/2016/09/15/social-gentrification/

>>52291792
>why is human nature still around?
The reason we laugh at "liberals" so much is because they genuinely think they can control human nature. You will never see the end of racism, or sexism, or violence, or anything bad that humans do. All you can do is learn to deal with it, like all the normal people have been telling you to do. And dealing with it does not mean crying to the government and handing your legal rights of free speech away, it means getting the fuck over it yourself, like most of us do

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This thread should be pruned. Baiting is the most egregous sin on /tg/. Shame on you OP, this isnt /v/.

>>52291813
Maybe this means I qualify as a normie but I have rarely if ever felt like a social outcast and have never felt like that was a prerequisite for /tg/ hobbies.

Meanwhile Ive met folks who try to spark conversation at game nights about how we were all bullied and shunned as children, when that's not an experience I've had.

Like, sorry you had a bad time in school or with girls or whatever but I just like fantasy games and makin little minis. If you want to open up about that, fine, i feel for you, but don't assume just because I'm fat and play tabletop means I'm socially retarded.

>>52291323

>Overall though, I think the "issue" is these hobbies attract a lot of socially retarded idiots who can barely function around other men.

It this, it's this, it's a thousand times this.

Can ANYONE honestly claim to look around their LGS at its busiest and think

>These people are all normal functioning members of society

At mine? Perhaps 40% are... but that still leaves 60% who have no idea what social boundaries are, have varying levels autism, aspergers, have left humanity behind in some cases, refuse to wash themselves or their clothes. Dress like the most unironic stereotypical fedora athiest memes

That being said, I have never witnessed a girl being harassed, or objectified to the cartoon sexism I see in comics

>HEY SLUT, MAGIC IS FOR DUDES, SHOW ME YOUR TITS, WHORE

this has never happened, literally ever.

But I do witness many many many dudes, fall helplessly in love with plain "geeky" girls, and it shows and probably makes them uncomfortable.

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>>52290844

I think you saw this on reddit and thought it was good for a few (you)s

that being said, I have no problem with an hypotetical girl calling out whatever behaviour she finds offensive.

>>52291869
>People can't improve and shouldn't try

Violence is human nature but it's still illegal to murder you dumb nigger

>>52291515
>we all know girls who will put up with chads who treat them like shit

FTFY

>>52291323

this

>>52291685
>Jorge wants to be a /pol/tard but his mom won't let him

>>52290844
Flagrant offense is one thing, but allowing young people to be douchbags and children to be morons is part of growing up.

You can't put the world in a bottle.

>>52291898
>I have rarely if ever felt like a social outcast and have never felt like that was a prerequisite for /tg/ hobbies.
Neither have I. I'm married with a child, but in your post here you even mention:
>Meanwhile Ive met folks who try to spark conversation at game nights about how we were all bullied and shunned as children when that's not an experience I've had.

Again, neither have I, but enough of the people in these hobbies have. While I have no hard data, I'd even be willing to admit a majority have. Someone's childhood and adolescence has serious impacts and how they are as adults, and experiences of being a constant outsider result in this: >>52291323 Now, there's debate to be had whether they're socially retarded due to some sort of being pushed out of most social circles or were pushed out of most social circles because of some sort of social retardation, but all of that is irrelevant to how they currently are.

>>52291869
Also we're not talking about neckbeard censorship legislation???
Are you feelin okay?

>>52290844
>just let us come in your community and start censoring people and policing language. Why are being so difficult we just want to be able to decide what you can and cannot say.
Fuck you

>>52291791
Turn it around - why are you so upset they're trying to go for this goal if it's so unimportant?

>>52292036
I'm not upset, I find the trivializing of actual struggles in bad taste, but mostly I find it funny.

>>52292036

I think the majority of people who show concern are worried about the "where will it end" scenario

>>52292020
free speech =/= free from consequences

But hey I'm sure that won't stop your addled little mind from shouting "feminazis"

>>52291904
>I think you saw this on reddit and thought it was good for a few (you)s

Even though OP's image has been posted literally hundreds of times before on /tg/?

>>52291869

Wow that's bleak. What a hopeless existence.

>It's hard so I won't even try to not be a sexist cunt!

>>52291913
Did I say we can't punish violence?

Every LGS should employ an elderly woman to passively shame the customers into acting like functioning human beans

>>52291994
I mean I understand obviously that the attitude and the stereotypes exist but at a certain point this whole stupid discussion is just about being more upfront with saying "Maybe you've always smelled weird but that doesn't mean you can be an asshole without consequences or without being called out on it."

>>52292096

It's censorship on a cultural level rather than government level, but that doesn't make it okay either.

>>52290844
I think she's being discriminatory against spergy nerds and needs to check her socio-normative privilege.

>>52292101
Sure try to improve, always try to improve and encourage others to do so, but keep the law out of it.

>>52292112
oh my god that's why things went to shit when Diane retired.......

>>52292119
>It's censorship on a cultural level rather than government level
That's not censorship, anon.

You're just a regular minority.

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>2/3 LGS stores near me have a large number of females
>tfw I get along fine with them because I'm Schizoid and literally can't into relationships
>still have to watch the shitshow

>>52292119
You're an idiot.
Nobody has assured you a legal right to run into someone's business and begin having a religious experience and start convulsing and speaking in tongues.

Maybe you think that should be okay and we should see that as completely normal behavior, go about business as usual, but you're already living with 'cultural censorship' you just choose not to be triggered by it because you think women don't brain smart.

>>52290844
No I believe in liberty, hurt feelings are the burden of the weak. If someone wants to be an asshole, they can be an asshole, I won't endorse said behavior by joining in but I must defend it as there will inevitably come a time that I'm the asshole in the scenario and I'd rather be just an asshole then an asshole and a hypocrite.

>The man
You bring up all this serious bull shit is directly impairing my ability to enjoy this activity.

>The woman
You avoiding all this serious bull shit is indirectly impairing my ability to enjoy this activity.

For somebody to win, someone must lose. Precisely like the real world.

>>52292132
>try to improve, always try to improve and encourage others to do so,

THIS IS THE ENTIRE MESSAGE OF THE DUMB COMIC.
NOBODY BROUGHT LAW INTO IT UNTIL YOU STARTED SHITPOSTING.

>>52292063
Maybe. But it's also sort of a broken window thing. If you don't struggle a little against the little problems, then the attitude that they don't matter gets entrenched. Then it's harder to get people to recognize the big problems as big problems, rather than little ones or even the way things should be.

>>52292091
Where are you afraid it's going to end? Really, anon - what part of "stop treating women like outsiders" is going to ruin your hobby?

>>52292143
>mandatory "I'm special and don't deal with your petty problems" post

>>52291805
Literally this easy to not do anything about the "problem" and when women try to get pissy about us not being extra-welcoming to them we point out we're a private business and they can fuck off if they don't like the culture.

Another point: you don't see women going into sports bars and complaining about "male privilege" and similar shit. Instead they prey on beta males and white knights who they know they can count on to be on their side. Those men don't participate in actual masculine activities so they fall to this pretty easily.

>>52291409
I hope you actually do this, OP.

>>52290844
> that's the same thing I am asking for

No, you are looking for attention because you are a delicate little lotus who can't handle her feelings being hurt.

I guarantee if a hot man hits on her she won't complain. This is entirely because she chooses to hang around ugly men then gets mad when they hit on her. Go play kitchen table magic with your brothers, OR call them out on their shit, OR just go the fuck home, it is not our obligation to make the world your safe space.

>>52290985
>It's like, "You're smarter than the women, so use your dude brain and figure out a solution to your problem".

What problem, though? I have literally never witnessed any of this happen in real life. Which isn't to say it doesn't happen, merely that I don't give a fuck and it's not my job to solve womens' problems. Also I don't give a fuck if women get chased out of the hobby because I am gender blind and don't care as to the gender of who I am playing with :^)

>>52292200
I wrote that comment in response to another guys comment, I never even made reference to the OP

>>52292207

>Where are you afraid it's going to end? Really, anon - what part of "stop treating women like outsiders" is going to ruin your hobby?

I don't give a fuck, mate. I'm just suggesting an answer to your question.

>>52290844
Perhaps the one inserting themselves into a situation where they're clearly uncomfortable should simply find or start a similar group more to their tastes, rather than demand everyone who was already there change to accommodate them.

If their presence is such a benefit then surely this new group will overtake the old one in popularity in short order.

>>52291349
>>52291390
>>52291440
>>52291903
> THIS THIS OMG SO MUCH THIS OMG +1 INTERNETZ TO YOU BRB dying

holy fuck this place has turned into Tumblr. I don't even mind you agreeing with the guy (he is mostly right) but can you at least do it in a somewhat less obnoxious way?

>>52292261

You need to calm down.

>>52292261
>holy fuck this place has turned into Tumblr.
omg so much this

>Its a 'shaming people for their bad behavior is an infringement of personal liberty' episode

This bitch cringed at my joke about her pussy, someone call the ACLU

>>52292096
>free speech =/= free from consequences

And what consequences are those? The gaming community is fine as it is. These people are outsiders and have no buying power. Just watch the few stores retarded enough to bow to these women who will buy two packs of magic cards then leave forever, while they alienate the customer base that spends 1000s per year, and go out of business even faster than the average game store is already going to.

>>52292214
>it's not our obligation to make the world your safe space
When you realize that women are essentially children, you'll realize that they genuinely think it is our obligation to cater to them. Our for father's have been dealing with this since the dawn of time

>>52290959
>>52291500
This is the appropriate way to accomplish panel 2, rather applying any wide or systemic change other than: "Call people out on their being a socially unacceptable asshole."

>>52292213
>implying
First, you can fuck off. It's another problem entirely. I'd rather them hate me because it's annoying talking to them arguably moreso than talking to the rest of the crowd.

>>52292240
so it was a non sequitur shitpost.

>>52292113
>"Maybe you've always smelled weird but that doesn't mean you can be an asshole without consequences or without being called out on it."
And if the majority of the group doesn't really mind said behavior? Why is it necessary to bend to the will of a super-minority? Why can't they adjust?

>>52292207
>Then it's harder to get people to recognize the big problems as big problems
>making girls feel comfortable at LGS is the first step in ending rape

>>52292286
>>52292284
Then talk like a normal person. No one in real life says "omg this so much" when someone says something they agree with. It's so fucking obnoxious it's unbelievable.

>>52292295
i would cringe about making jokes about a woman's pussy. Except that barely ever happens.

Okay /tg/, think how many times you have seen something like that actually happen. How many? None.

>>52292235
You failed to comprehend that post so hard that I feel you might need additional encouragement.

Read it again, but this time read ALL the words.

Jesus Christ I hate this shit. I go to play 40k with the local neckbeards and yes, the occasional female, so that I CAN ESCAPE FROM THIS SHIT FOR A LITTLE WHILE. FUCK OFF FEMINISTS.

I think this thread has reached the absolute 0 of autism. We litterally cannot go further. Nobody is accusing MTG players of being macho chads asking every girl they see to flash out their boobs, but if you are so socially awkward not to function properly around girls the problem is you and not girl getting near you or "muh liberals".

>>52290919
Okay, so I know this post is hella earlier, not to mention a bit off-topic, but I would like to comment on this:

I find that men, hetero men, tend to be attracted to asshole, cunt women as often as I've seen hetero woman attracted to asshole, dick men.

There is just something /sexy/ about that sort of alpha behavior for both sides, more than we care to admit at times.

>>52292311
Ah bit now we're getting to the root of the problem, girls and pussies don't like calling people out because they don't like confrontation, so what's the next logical step? Handing your civil rights away and creating safe space laws so you dont have to tell people to fuck off

>>52292261
>holy fuck this place has turned into Tumblr.
Anyone have that comic with the animoo girl in various periods of 4chan? The first panel has greentext that says WINRAR and OVER 9000, and the third is just variations on "KYS"

I feel it's very relevant to this post.

>>52292330
No it was in direct response to his "why does this still happen lol XDDDD"

>>52292331
just to spite
>>52292261
>>52292343

THIS I AGREE

but seriously, >>52292343
>a mesopotamian flyswatting IRC chat
>expecting people on it to talk like they arent socially inept spergs
you came to the wrong place, anon

>>52292343
>No one in real life says "omg this so much" when someone says something they agree with.
This so fucking much

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>>52291440
>some fat ass autist would stare her down,

This is perfectly acceptable. If your wife can't handle being looked at, she can fuck off.

That said, i don't stare at women.

> try to accidentally touch her,

Crossing an actual line. Yeah that is unacceptable and you should make an issue with the shopkeeper about that. But you won't because you would probably blubber like a retard and be unable to assert yourself even to defend your own wife. Sad.

> and boast to his buddies about what he'd do to her.

On the edge but still not illegal. See if you actually went in there and made a scene a couple times, word would get around and people would probably leave your wife alone.

Yet you won't, because you are a pussy, and you want us to white-knight for your wife and start putting up signs and getting involved in stupid activist shit because you can't stand up to a guy who is molesting your wife.

Fuck off.

>>52290844
If you're going to demand that females be accommodated in traditionally male social circles, you must also demand the opposite, or else you are a sexist.

Yet I don't see much outrage over the distinct lack of dudebros and neckbeards in hair salons across the nation.

One of my main problems with this is it always is about changing the hobby for somebody who, 95% of the time, only has a passing interest over the interests of people who make up that hobby and for whom the hobby makes up a big chunk of their social life.

The social outcasts get further outcast, having maybe one of the few things they actual care about taken away from them for people who maybe like the game but who don't have the same investment in the game/hobby.

>>52292349
But no men are pretending to be an oppressed minority, except in your insane paranoid fantasies where you need an opposition to lend validity to your savior complex?

>>52292343
>>>52292286
>>>52292284
>Then talk like a normal person. No one in real life says "omg this so much" when someone says something they agree with. It's so fucking obnoxious it's unbelievable.

That's where you're wrong. Yes. It's as obnoxious as you'd think it is.

>Okay /tg/, think how many times you have seen something like that actually happen
It's not as common as he's making it out to be, but I have heard my fair share of comments like that.

Objectively speaking, tg related hobbies have a tendency to reach out and touch the social rejects as a form of escapism. Unlike other forms of escapism, this one has inclusion stapled to it. In most cases, the social rejects are males because females tend to have more social acceptance as a whole, though problems amongst females is another topic entirely.

>>52292099

I saw it on their front page today, so yeah, I think OP did too

>>52292331
>Why is it necessary to bend to the will of a super-minority?

You're gonna have to bust out some statistical information on that bold claim friendo.

>people that don't agree with me don't exist!

>>52290844
Roughly equivalent to going to a major sporting event, then bitching that the crowd is too loud and demanding they quiet down because it's making you uncomfortable.

>>52290844
I couldn't give a shit about someone who is a one and done. Unless they become a regular, they can fuck off with their being offended at something.

>>52292466
Your post is roughly equivalent to bullshit.

>>52292353
You're just gonna have to learn to escape with some solitary activity like music or masturbation because people are supposed to behave in public.

>>52292331
I know you're trying to be ironic, but yes, men treating women like human beings is actually is a step towards ending rape. Rapists think they're normal - that every guy is a rapist.

>>52292457
How about you show some numbers to proof me wrong?

>>52292468
Are you maybe too stupid to realize that the reason there are so many one-and-dones is because the existing community demands you assimilate or have a bad fucking time?
Maybe you could understand that a different attitude might end up with more people joining the hobby than fleeing from the strange hivemind they find there?

>>52292439
>That's where you're wrong. Yes. It's as obnoxious as you'd think it is.

Okay, I should have specified. No one I know speaks like that, or have ever met, because I avoid tumblr cunts like the plague. But thanks for letting me know that that kind of autism has seeped into real life now.

>>52292468
This. When these people start dropping as much money as the regulars, then they can complain about how they are treated. I mean, when I worked at the FLGS, I treated all the customers equally. But when Bitchy Brittany who spends no money at the store, and Fat-ass Frank who buys a fat pack every month, are in conflict, I'm going to side with Frank every time. It's douchey but that's business.

>>52292538
Hey, I wonder why FLGs are going out of business? Must just be customer disloyalty.

>>52292515
>Rapists think they're normal - that every guy is a rapist.
Rapists ignore social, legal, and personal cues that tell you rape is not OK. Rape and rapist is never used in a positive light, the thought of raping someone is personally disgusting to most people, and of courses there's the whole thing with it being illegal and what not. Lemme guess, you're going to spit some bullshit about rape culture next?

>>52292535
>You are [bigoted view]-ist for demanding that outsiders need to adapt to a culture, rather than the other way around
The exact same thing that liberals say about Muslim immigrants.
Daily reminder that leftism is a mental illness.

>>52292487
not him, but mind explaining for all the morons at home {spoiler} Like me {/spoiler}

>>52292515
i've never so much as heard of even one (1) rapist thinking they are normal that wasn't literally a sociopath, psychopath, or some combination of tons of extreme mental disorders

>>52292410
>he wants hamplanets to leer at him and joke about squashing his face between their massive asscheeks
To each their own, brother.

>>52292535
>Maybe you could understand that a different attitude might end up with more people joining the hobby
No thanks.

>>52291323
>>52291349
>>52291440
>>52291903
>>52291968
>>52291994
I'm honestly disgusted at these people more than the worst unwashed neckbeard autist.
These neckbeards have very few places they can go to for fun, and normalfags want to take away even that away from them too.
Please fuck off, on behalf of the people who can't because they don't have anywhere else to fuck off to.
You're literally asking these people to stop existing.
Fuck safe spaces for women, spergs need safe spaces from all the normalfags who see the interesting stuff spergs come up with and want to boot them out so they can shit all over the nerdy shit the spergs came up with.

>>52292535
I would rather my local store cater to its regular clientele then the social whims of every shitbird passerby. The first option builds a loyal customer base, the second does not.

>>52292521
There is a teapot floating between my house and the sun. Prove me wrong.

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>>52290844
I'm not obligated to call out jack shit about whatever's bothering you. If something's getting your panties in a twist find a way to deal with it that doesn't affect me, but don't try to act like I'm morally obligated to participate in your little personal crusade.

>>52292576
It's a false equivalency. He is implying that sexism is a part of the culture of magic the gathering in the same way that being loud and rowdy is a part of the culture of sports bars.

>>52292636
I don't care enough to, you apparently care enough to prove me wrong.

>>52292599

Hello

>>52291903 Here

>You're literally asking these people to stop existing.

Please highlight where I stated this, or anything like this or criticised said neckbeards other than pointing out they exist.

>>52292645
And when I say a part of the culture I mean it in a way where it's integral to the fun of the activity.

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>>52290844
>Do you agree with this, /tg/?
Smelly nerds that want to spend their autismbucks on magic cards, overpriced paint and little figurines need their safespace too, so no, I don't.

>>52291409
>spend all day at the gym
>still has time to play games

UMMMM FOUND THE SLIP UP IN YOUR STORY CHAD

NICE TRY, BUT I'VE DISPROVEN YOUR ASSERTION THAT WOMEN DON'T WANT A FAT DOORMAT

>>52292571
I'm not talking about islam or religious culture you sensationalist shitwhistle.
The habits of your grognard cabal do not dictate the way I play D&D or M:tG or fucking Munchkin or Catan at the LGS.
You are still a person in public at large in the same city as me, where if you went to a restaurant or out on the street or to the sports game and acted like you do, you'd be treated very differently, you sensitive fucking snowflake.

>>52292569
>>52292576
Oh, almost nobody is OK with the idea of grabbing some strange woman in a dark alley and raping her. But people are quite comfortable with the idea of getting a woman too drunk to walk and then fucking her. Or deciding that they've been dating for a few months and it's time she had sex, even if she's "reluctant."

>>52292645
>He is implying that sexism is a part of the culture of magic the gathering
No, you're inferring that. Stop being the fag who cried sexism.

>>52292554
Interesting, because mine is still going while 3 others in the area have died. Customer loyalty is the lifeblood of an FLGS, hence why i said I treated all the customers well. Even the bitchy old ladies. But guess how many of them came back?

You make money by pandering to your consumer base. You don't see gun shops crying over not enough soccer moms coming in the door. You also don't see women whining about how they are treated at sports bars. Why are FLGS any different? Because the men there are unattractive thus the women decide it's time to be bitchy and demanding. Betas fall right in line with this thinking they will be sexually rewarded. Whereas the intelligent ones realize these women will never sleep with them and ignore their demands. So they get pissy and post on Reddit about it.

Overall, the issue basically does not exist. The only reason any of us are involved in it is because we chose to click on this thread.

>>52292677
>. But people are quite comfortable with the idea of getting a woman too drunk to walk and then fucking her.
Nope!

>Or deciding that they've been dating for a few months and it's time she had sex, even if she's "reluctant."
Are we talking persuading or forcing? I know you probably don't think there's a difference, but there very much is.

>>52292645
Crude jokes =/= sexism. Staring at a woman's ass isn't sexism, either. That would imply we are all bisexual.

>>52292677
>even if she's reluctant
Well what the fuck else are we dating for?

Shut up and play card games. Leave your baggage at the door, along with your being a dick. Just be a decent human being; you're in public not your mom's basment or your buddy's house.

>>52292677
>Muh rape culture

Fuck off Anita. That is total bullshit and you know it. Drunk consent is still consent and the other example is just rape and no one condones it. Get the fuck out.

>>52292664
>not gaming at the gym with your bros
>not lifting IRL while you roleplay a fuccboi wizard
u mirin'?

>>52290844
Nice dubs, have this (you)
>>52290985
>wring their hands
There should be an Israelchan for you people

>>52292709
Looks like >>52292732 disagrees.

>>52292776
No one cares.

>>52292732
Basically this, there is no grey area. She's either passed out or alert, sometimes she starts off alert then passes out and that's when you stop.

>>52292800
You care enough to respond.

>>52290959
Reading threads like this makes me feel like I have the best LGS in the country sometimes. Diverse group of people, neckbears to chads to normal fucking people. Kids are around for some games, but store runs "adults only" events late on weekends with beer and pizza and shit. Everyone has fun, no one talks shit, and most people who try it out stick around.

It's honestly one of the big reasons I haven't moved out of this shitty state to somewhere with a climate I enjoy more.

>>52292651
>But I do witness many many many dudes, fall helplessly in love with plain "geeky" girls, and it shows and probably makes them uncomfortable.
You're telling people with a mental/social development disorder to leave until they stop being unwashed socially awkward neckbeards so you can feel more comfortable.
You're telling people with social development disorders to stop trying to get a girlfriend, something EVERY NORMALFAG DOES, because they are neckbeards and in this case it makes women uncomfortable.
>N-neckbeards shouldn't hit on girls it's not the appropriate environment and is making the women uncomfortable-
FUCK OFF, IT'S NEVER THE APPROPRIATE ENVIRONMENT AND MEN SUCCESSFUL WITH WOMEN DO IT ALL THE FUCKING TIME.

As they have mental/social development disorders this is unreasonable. You don't tell a retard to stop being retarded. You leave them to their retard activities that all the other retards are perfectly fine with the status quo and don't butt in and demand they change or leave.

You might just 'want them to stop being sexists leering uncomfortably at girls', why don't YOU fuck off and create your own group instead where those are the social rules?

I'm so fucking tired of this "nerds" bullying neckbeards, who are so socially stunted in the first place because they were outcast. In fact, the entire reason they are the main customer base of these hobbies in the first place was likely because they were socially rejected and have nothing better to spend their money on that normalfags would.

>>52292515
>Rapists think they're normal - that every guy is a rapist.
>t. Doctorate in Feminist Underwater Basket-Weaving.

>>52290844
>letting people know what's not okay and calling out questionable behavior

This is exactly where the whole problem develops. You're not asking me to behave in a better way. You're asking me to become some kind of police officer who goes around telling people how they should behave. That would instantly make me incredibly obnoxious to everyone. Can you just imagine some guy listening in on private conversations people have during games or whatever and then storming in and saying "HEY, THAT'S NOT NICE".

Not to mention to sheer ineffectiveness of this. I'm a fucking stranger, not their mother or something. What possible effect do you think I'm going to have when I complain to total strangers about how mean their private jokes are?

You got a problem with these people? Just don't spend time with them and find some better people instead.

>>52292814
If you can't stop shitting your pants, the solution isn't for me to get used to the smell.

>>52292741
>roleplaying fuccboi wizard

only if we got some /ss/ in there, preferably without the leather mommy shit inherent to the genre but even that's fine I guess since it's mostly just a JO sesh with the bros, you guys got your crystals?

>>52292814
Look dude we put up with girls bitching because they literally will never stop or change, but you have a dick and thus you get zero sympathy. If you don't wanna be a social outcast then stop being a social outcast

>>52290844
The guy that runs my local LGS has been married three times and divorced three times and opened the store specifically so he'd never have to see another "normal" woman on a regular basis again.

>>52292814
We've entered an endless recursion of time!
>>52291898
>>52291994

>>52292814
>You don't tell a retard to stop being retarded.
you new here? happens constantly

>>52292814

>You're telling people with a mental/social development disorder to leave until they stop being unwashed socially awkward neckbeards so you can feel more comfortable.

I didn't say that

>You're telling people with social development disorders to stop trying to get a girlfriend, something EVERY NORMALFAG DOES, because they are neckbeards and in this case it makes women uncomfortable.

I didn't say that

>>N-neckbeards shouldn't hit on girls it's not the appropriate environment and is making the women uncomfortable-

I didn't say that

>You might just 'want them to stop being sexists leering uncomfortably at girls', why don't YOU fuck off and create your own group instead where those are the social rules?

I didn't say that either

I pointed out, that multiple young, awkward, mentally ill in some cases, socially-retarded men will obsess, fawn, crush and love a singular "geek" girl in the LGS group. And it can, and has on occasions that I've seen make them uncomfortable sometimes.

That's all I said. I'm sorry it upset you but I did not suggest extermination of neckbeards.

>>52292844
If I can't stop shitting my pants, I'm not going to fuck off when you come to my shit-pants club and complain about the smell.
-You- are the one who needs to leave.
>>52292874
I mean in the actual sense that real people use, not online shitposting.

>>52292844
No but if he wants to keep shitting his pants there's no one forcing you to sit there

>>52292710
>>52292680
The duck are you talking about? We're not talking about crude jokes. OP's comic is talking about sexism. The girl in the comic is literally talking about sexism. It's not like I brought that word out of fucking nowhere.

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>>52292599

>literally arguing in favor of safe spaces

>>52292888
No you should be expected to wash up like a regular fucking person that doesn't run around streaking or screaming at onlookers in mangled Aramaic.
If you want to do that in your own home or around friends that know that's the deal, sure. but don't bring it out to the shop.

>>52292888
But we're not talking about a pants-shitting club. We're talking about gaming - a hobby entirely unrelated to shitting one's pants. This isn't autist kindergarten, anon, nor is it shitty pickup artist's night at the local bar.

>>52292901
If the choices are sit next to the guy shitting his pants or leave the hobby, then yes, I'm being forced to sit there to be part of the hobby. The more reasonable response is to tell pants-shitting guy to move until he learns to control his bowel movements.

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>>52292814
Yes. Go be crazy somewhere else, preferably hell.

>>52291137
>I've never seen it, so it's not real

>>52292927
There is no sexism at FLGS though. Certainly no more than in your average day to day environment. Women only target FLGS because they are full of weak beta males who will bow to the almighty vagina goddess.

>>52291440
>allowing filthy fat fedorafags to touch your woman
>not smashing their faces in for their horrible behavior

Betafag detected. I'd also like to say that women didn't get harassed like this back when men yoked people up by their collars for ungentlemanly behavior. So really, it's your own fault.

>>52292933

Man, if Spaces are important then Spergs get a safe space too. If Safe Spaces aren't important than people have to put on their adult pants and deal with it or leave.

>>52292933
Only for a group of people who no one defends, they barely defend themselves.
>>52292944
>No you should be expected to wash up like a regular fucking person
WHAT PART OF SHIT PANTS CLUB DID YOU NOT UNDERSTAND NORMALFAG
>>52292950
>We're talking about gaming - a hobby entirely unrelated to shitting one's pants.
But you ARE talking about a hobby established , populated, and funded by the neckbeards you're complaining about.
It's not a literal pants shitting club, but that is part of the culture and territory as determined by the people who literally created the club.

>>52292886
>I pointed out, that multiple young, awkward, mentally ill in some cases, socially-retarded men will obsess, fawn, crush and love a singular "geek" girl in the LGS group.

I did this. But then I asked her out and she said no and I forgot about her except to jack off over her Facebook pics on rare occasion. I have no sympathy for these beta fucks, I am a loser virgin just like most of them but you don't see me molesting women OR being their doormats.

>>52290844
Appealing to a larger customer base rarely works for small businesses. Local places thrive on local money and if that money is insensitive to the feelings or needs of people outside the pejorative? So be it, because the alternative is losing the local money.

>>52292978
>solve all problems with violence
Did you know you can spend 2 skill points to gain the ability to read and write all languages you are able to speak?

>>52292981

So you mean that spergs have to learn about being functional members of society or get ostracized?

>>52292844
>the solution isn't for me to get used to the smell.

No, the solution is for you to get the fuck out. Are you insane? Why would you continue to sit there and watch someone shit their pants?

Women don't enjoy MTG, at least not the women in OP's comic. They enjoy the male attention. If you had a bunch of little goblins slavering over you and offering to defend you in battle, you would stick around for a bit, too. I know I sure would. You could fuck with them and see how far you could take it.

>>52292950
>or leave the hobby
LOL how Bout just leave the store?

>>52292424
May it stays as just a passing interest because they fell unwelcome and decide it would be better to leave?

>>52293008
If the opposite side was forced to do the same I'd be on board with your idea. However colleges and other places create literal safe spaces, so it's either you let each side have the same or you get told to fuck off.

I hate both of your sides equally learn to fucking compromise like adults

>>52292944
>Goes to a bdsm club
>Complains about the latex, leather and violence
Have you tried gutting yourself?

>>52293008
>So you mean that spergs have to learn about being functional members of society or get ostracized?
They are already ostracized, the problem is you're following them in their exile and screaming at them to go away again.

>>52292964
>there is no sexism at flgs.
Well that's a completely different discussion than the one we were having, but sure let's talk about that. Personally I haven't seen sexism at an LGS before, while playing either magic or dnd, but that doesn't mean it doesn't exist. I think to claim it blatantly doesn't exist is a bold, unfounded claim, and unless you can somehow prove it, I wouldn't spout that nonsense. There's a lot of anecdotal edicence to the contrary. Also, to be sure, what exactly do you mean by "target" here? That women "target" FLGSs?

>>52293032
Good, the less the better.

>>52292978
I like being able to conceal carry and I also like my job.

The ass who touched her did jail time. But just because he went to jail for sexual assault doesn't mean my wife is suddenly comfortable going to back to the store the fat fuck felt welcome at.

>>52293032
Now we're getting into the realm of alienating the base consumer in the hope of gaining new ones. That kind of experiment is all well and good for bigger corps that can eat the cost of a failure, but for anyone who can't it may very well lead to ruin.

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>>52290844
COOL THEN BITCH WHY DID YOU BRING IT UP THEN

>>52291323

This

The whole sexism/misogyny spin is just SJW bullshit. Of course there are sexist individuals or cliches out there, but that's true of any group of people anywhere. This being a problem with "Culture" is just hackish left-wing rabble-rousing.

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>>52291440

>some fat ass autist would stare her down

C'est la vie

>try to accidentally touch her

I don't think this happened because I don't think as a man you would allow your wife to literally be molested and do nothing about it. Nor would your store owner allow this to happen, have a woman molested in his store and do nothing about it.

>and boast to his buddies about what he'd do to her.

Again, I don't think this happened because, I don't think as a man you would allow a man who literally molested your wife to boast about it and do nothing about it. Nor would your store owner allow women to be molested by people in his shop and then boast about it while doing nothing about it.

>>52293045

orr maybe it's like our society expect people to follow some basic guidelines, which everyone is able to meet, but which landwhales (of both sides) apparently cannot comply

>people actually falling for this obvious bait

It's cardboard crack. You should know a faggot made this thread and is keeping it bumped.

>>52293046
>anecdote
>evidence
what, has no person ever recorded a video of it happening?
if it is obviously actually real in a way that can be meaningfully fought against, i'd genuinely be interested in helping to stop it
but i need proof anything is even actually happening, the say so of the easily offended and the hyperbolic doesn't suffice
people's feels don't afford airplane tickets, baseball bats, and bail money

>>52293080
>"try to touch" is the same thing as "successfully molest scot-free"

>>52293103
Figured it out pretty early but I'm bored and waiting for more discussion to read in the general on my other tab.

>>52293073
The thing is, staying with the base consumer is ALSO killing those stores as we all have heard before.

>>52293071
My local place has a cop that comes in on a regular basis, it's a nice store.

>>52293103
>keeping the bait thread bumped with "this is bait"
Clever shitposter.

>>52292576
>i've never so much as heard of even one (1) rapist thinking they are normal that wasn't literally a sociopath, psychopath, or some combination of tons of extreme mental disorders

Just out of curiosity, how many rapists have you discussed this with?

Do you think that your sample size of rapists is large enough to be considered valid?

Is this volume of rapists segregated by frequency, or is the self-opinion of a one-time rapist given equal weight compared to a serial rapist?

>>52293103
Bait is fun, I like feeling like a mighty tuna

>>52293114
Nah man, he was full on ass raping her, can't you read? He was spitting on her, pissed all over her, and her beta male of a husband just ignored it.

>>52293046
>Personally I haven't seen sexism at an LGS before, while playing either magic or dnd, but that doesn't mean it doesn't exist.

People occasionally dump Coke on the floor at the FLGS, too, but we're not having a shitton of discussion about that, are we?

It's just feminists attention whoring. It's fun for a shitstorm but if you are taking it seriously, please don't.

>go to cricket club
>complain half the club smells like shit and the other half like tea

>go to kendo club
>complain that there are weebs talking about anime

>go to gym
>complain that people suck each other off in the stalls

>go to brothel
>complain the parking lot is filled with trucks

>go to favela samba club in Rio
>complain you got mugged

>>52292986
Gygax and Arneson were both married with kids. Neckbeards may have colonized the hobby but they're just that - colonists.

>>52293010
Not this shit again.

>>52293011
Or get the neckbeards kicked out of the store until they stop shitting their pants and can act like people.

>>52293071
Not him but no one said you need to beat them up. That other anon is a retard. Go in and stand up to them like a real goddamn man instead of being a pussy. You don't need to start swinging. Let him make the first move. You said you conceal carry? Good. He endangers your life, take him out. Unless you live in a libtard state,in which case don

>>52290844
Eh, I've only been to one store my entire life and the women get treated no different from the guys and after the pokemon kids leave they're just as raunchy and crude as the guys as well.

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>>52293114
>>52293155

>An obese fedora neckbeard can touch my wife because it isn't rape, and people shouldn't get mad about it

y'all mentally ill

>>52293126
Heard but not proven to be the sole reason for correlation =/= causation.

>>52293175
>Kick people from one of their few social enviroments, a niche that they mantain
Yes, man, making people outcasts is how you reinforce positive behavior.
Social isolation totally isn't what made them create the neckbeardy hobby in the first place, nor did it make them act like babboons.

>>52293175
>Not this shit again.
What shit?

And Gygax is not even close to a representation of our hobby. If Gygax had his way we'd all still be playing OD&D and dying to fuel Gygax's powerboner. And why is colonists a bad thing? By that logic 99% of America are not Americans, because they weren't there first. Fuck off, you argument is retarded.

> Or get the neckbeards kicked out of the store until they stop shitting their pants and can act like people.

Except this won't happen until you whiny cunts make yourselves valuable customers. You can't just walk into a store and demand the guy kicks out his longtime heavy spenders just because "muh feels" then buy a 3 dollar booster pack and never return. The world doesn't revolve around you. Again, fuck off, your argument is retarded.

>>52293080
>Because every time she went in, and I wasn't with her, some fat ass autist would stare her down, try to accidentally touch her, and boast to his buddies about what he'd do to her.
>Because every time she went in, and I wasn't with her

And trust me game store owners are just as reluctant to get involved, because the sad truth is that the worst offenders in any given store are the big spenders. By being so hyper-obsessive with their purchasing, they bribe the store owner into turning a blind eye.

I finally stopped going to a store near me because of a stinking fat goblin type, because he seemed to live for conflict and his pre-order bills were keeping the lights on for the store some weeks. It was like getting my house bought out from under me by the Great Unclean One.
Plus, I'm a guy. I think if I was a woman and Ultimate Fuckweasel was trying to hit on me as well as all the above, I'd have killed him, burned down the store and shot myself or something.

>>52293073
Not moving on will also lead to ruin, though. Neckbeards don't live forever, they don't reproduce, and they don't make friends outside the hobby. If you don't get new blood in, your store is going to die.

Every store I used to frequent that only catered to their existing customer base is either dead, or struggling to make ends meet.

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>>52290872
>The ones who stuck around were usually just as awkward and weird as the men
This is the crux of the issue right here. Women aren't kicked out of the hobbies; it's (for lack of a better word) normies who are kicked out of the hobby, and women are more likely to be normies than men.

As it should be. There's nothing wrong with a hoby only having 'awkward' people.

Promoting gender equality that already exists is going to do nothing to stem the derision women face; it's casual-devoted equality that would need to be promoted.

This should never be done, however, because its a surefire way to kill the hobby dead; it alienates the veteran userbase and removes what got the newer userbase interested in the first place.

>>52291121
Hey man, I like when normies get into my hobby. Gives the store more money and gives me more people to absolutely steam roll.

>>52293190
All i'm saying is anon's wife probably didnt actually get felt up hence anon/store owner really doesn't have a leg to stand on going back to the store and giving the neckbeard a left hook or a lawsuit.

Doesn't mean that the guy wasn't acting weird around her and clearly making advances.

>>52293112
>posting bail on a case as open and shut as beating someone with a baseball bat

Only someone stupid enough to buy thousands of dollars worth of cardboard would think this is a good idea. You'd be better off saving the bail money to pay off someone in prison and get used to your cell.

>>52293198
It actually happens a lot with business who cater to a niche audience tho, theay are, on the long run, just not profitable enough, it's a "go mainstream or die" thing

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>>52290844
>>I don't want to talk about social issues
>>Neither do you
>>But let's stop playing so I can bring up my social issues

>>52293210
The "women don't have hobbies" shit. It was a stale meme a decade ago.

And no, that's not how the market works. The way the market works is "you sell an appealing product, and I'll buy it." If you don't kick out the creepy unwashed neckbeards, I'll never become a loyal customer. I'll go shopping on Amazon instead.

>>52293210

Real shit dude you just said manifest destiny and cultural genocide is okay.
You maybe wanna reel it in?

>>52293179
How do you think he went to jail? Because I stood there and did nothing? I got in between him and my wife, made sure she was safe, then called the cops while staring him down. He left the store and started walking home, store owner knew where he lived, so they arrested him at his house.

I'm prior Combat Comm. I know how escalation of force works. He stopped touching my wife before I could knock his teeth out. But he still broke the law by sexually assaulting my wife, so I had a moral responsibility to report him. Sure I could of given in to my emotions and rearranged his face, but all that would do is make him the victim. And he doesn't deserve the sympathy.

>>52293281
Whoosh.

>>52292599
Spergs must be normalized or purged. For the good of all humanity.

>>52293217
>Not moving on will also lead to ruin, though. Neckbeards don't live forever, they don't reproduce, and they don't make friends outside the hobby. If you don't get new blood in, your store is going to die.

That is the nature of the beast.

>Every store I used to frequent that only catered to their existing customer base is either dead, or struggling to make ends meet.

Sounds like you just want said stores to selfishly stay alive no matter the cost, in which case, I maintain that it's a good thing they're dying out. Eventually, fat greasy nerds will buy everything online and not bother to leave their squalid pit and the world will be better for it.

>>52293217
Huh sounds like they had lost their base customers didn't they? The main balance is to find when is the time to slowly enact changes, also to ensure that the customers gained will actually support like the previous ones. Trying to make this a simple issue is what leads to ruin through over reaction. Should store owners try and keep people from being animals of course, but that doesn't mean every Nancy off the streets should be able to come in and demand certain things not be talked about.

The best way to handle it is through dialogue, talk to the person bothering you, then take it to the owner if that fails go somewhere else rinse and repeat.

>>52293261
>It actually happens a lot with business who cater to a niche audience tho, theay are, on the long run, just not profitable enough, it's a "go mainstream or die" thing
If a business cannot stand on its own merit it deserves to fail and be replaced, otherwise, there would be no new stores.

>>52293305
>Real shit dude you just said manifest destiny and cultural genocide is okay.
> implying the indians were guiltless.

Also

> implying that was what i meant
> implying that being the founder of a hobby means you have control over it forever
> implying i even had a real point beyond your ethos-based argument being fucking stupid

>>52293146
>how many rapists have you discussed this with
i'd have to call up some buddies to get any reasonable estimate, which i cant be bothered to do for the sake of one random anon on a Vietnamese cheese grating forum

>do you think your sample size of rapists is large enough to be considered valid?
find me one perfectly mentally sound and sane person who committed rape who advocates for its moral righteousness, and i'll admit i was wrong*

>Is this volume of rapists segregated by frequency, or is the self-opinion of a one-time rapist given equal weight compared to a serial rapist?
again, one example and i'd say otherwise, doesnt matter how often they did it or how they did so

*preferably an example which is unambiguously rape, nothing where consent was questionable, please

>>52293259
it works surprisingly well if you suddenly come on with a case of affluenza in the meantime, and know the right people
also did i type bail? meant bribes, autocorrect

>>52290844
The proper follow up would be "great, since we're in agreement, let's play the game we are here to play."

Then see how long it takes her to voice her disapproval for some other human being.

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>Comic makes the assumption that women are a net benefit to the group they want to join

I disagree with this. Women are how you kill any enjoyment in a hobby. They will fuck up the original community and leave it in tatters only to move onto the next fun thing they can find men doing without them. They are literally the destroys of civilization and all that is constructive within that realm

>Woman wants to try nerd thing
>Woman has no interest interacting with actual nerds
>Because the nerds are social inept manchildren
>Because of being social inept manchildren, nerds only have nerdthing

So you either kick out the nerds, who are probably your big spenders for the chance that normie woman will stick around and even bring more people, or cater to the nerds and risk out on enlarging your customer base.

Fun.

>>52290844
If you don't like the people at your LGS, don't play there. I don't anymore.

As for the strip itself, I agree, to an extent.

A common issue about when women join male spaces, is they're offering a safe haven where men can act like men. Often the women decide that the spaces need to change to suit them, making them into spaces where men have to walk on eggshells.

We have to spend all day walking on eggshells in the work place to avoid offending some uptight little shit, if where our hobbies occur demands the same, we will go somewhere else.

If it's just me being coarse,tough shit get over it. If it's sexual harassment, yeah I'll tell the hamplanet in question to back the fuck off.

>>52293261
Which is fine, if a business sets itself up in such a way that is their decision and should be respected. However the opposite is true aswell, don't like the way a store or group is run? Don't go there. Don't like the "culture" of a game due to environment? Set up your own.

>>52293299
Some women have hobbies. Some women enjoy MTG and RPGs. The kind of women who post / share comics like OP? They are in it to cause drama.

> If you don't kick out the creepy unwashed neckbeards, I'll never become a loyal customer. I'll go shopping on Amazon instead.

If that's why you go to the FLGS, you'll shop on Amazon anyway because they usually have cheaper prices. Don't pretend you know about the business, faggot. Also those unwashed neckbeards spend two orders of magnitude more money than the fucks who complain about them.

Do the math. How many people ACTUALLY are driven out by the beards? Lose maybe one customer per 10 beards? And that customer probably wouldn't have spent shit anyway, but say he did. We kick out one neckbeard, we are taking a gamble on not recovering that business.

Essentially, if we kick out a neckbeard on your behalf, you are, in our eyes, responsible for recovering that business for us, or else we just wasted our time. The FLGS is not a public utility, you are not equally entitled to it. I'm sorry if that seems cold and unwelcoming but we need to eat, too.

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>>52290844
Only if we're fucking.

Seriously, I get that minorities (and women) have decided that convincing me to do their dirty work is the best way for it to get done, but I'm afraid I don't work for free.

>>52290864
Agreed.

>>52290872
Between it Being conventionally a men's space to blow off steam (like poker night for rich guys) andthe lack of social skill displayed by many magic players, yeah, I can see that.

>>52293334
Alright well you left out those details in the original post. Sounds like you did good then. Seriously though, was this a repeat offense, and how obvious was it groping? Because I've had awkward experiences at FLGS where I was trying to push through a crowd and my hand rubbed against a fat girl's ass. She didn't say anything but I was red in the face for the next hour.

>>52292814
>when you get to the point in the thread where someone is posting stuttering greentext because their actual counter is sort of weak

I knew if I stuck around long enough anon would come through

>>52293380
That's the point anon, LGS are a kind business that soon enough just won't be able to stand on it's own unless they realize they are a fucking business and not neckbeard caves

>>52293428
>tfw someone posts the re-formatted version you made that brings it to a more reasonable aspect ration that can actually be read without zooming in and side scrolling

>>52290986
>I don't see male fashion designers going to Victoria's Secret
Anon, you can't impinge on their safe spaces! You fucking misogynist!

>>52293442
>risk out on enlarging your customer base.

You have a choice between 20 customers who spend 100 / month and 100 customers who spend maybe 10 / month overall.

>>52291323
As someone who is a perfectly functioning member of society who can hold is pasta please eat a dick, some people actually can't help the fact that they are socially challenged and trip all over themselves in situations dealing with complete strangers/the opposite sex.

>>52293299
If you *also* drop like $750 a month in the store, then maybe you're worth as much as the regulars.

It's a business.

Decisions will follow the money.

>>52293446
>Set up your own.
Tried that in college. Complaints were made by the man children I was keeping them from socializing. Club got shut down.

I gave them all three chances too. If you can smelling like ass, harassed anyone, stole anything, or failed to clean up after yourself you got a warning. For people who spent hours analyzing rule books they sure had a hard time following a single page that could be summarized as "don't be a child"

>>52293480
Pretty much. If these women want to not be treated in a sexist manner, they need to say something. It's so ironic that I hear people saying "well some people are uncomfortable standing up for themselves like that" which is code for "big man please stand up for me" which is pretty much antithesis to their dogma anyway.

>>52290844
Where's the joke?

>>52292599

If you can't shut up about your new favorite magical girl anime or be asked to brush your disgusting teeth you don't deserve a welcoming social circle, in all honesty.

>>52293516
If they cannot exist as neckbeard caves they should not exist. If a cigar store exists in a society that demonizes smoking, it becomes a rarity tor niche individuals and should not expand because that would be a retarded thing to do in said society.

>>52293567
The thing is regulars migth drop that much money a month, but there is just so many of them.

If you're a pussy who can't handle banter, then stay home and don't go out in public. Simple as that, all problems solved.

>are there systematic forms of oppression or discrimination that the world would be better off without
yes
>Are socially malladjusted spergs likely to be awkward and creepy as fuck around the opposite sex
yes

>So if these problems exist, the best way to go about fixing them is to try to condecend the bigotry out of a bunch of social retards who won't be able to process the message properly, while having the loudest proponents of these measures be simply another shade of social retardation who will project their insecurities onto everyone else.
FUCK NO.


My biggest worry about all these societal problems is that they get blown out of proportion by every side, such that instead of slow and steady improvement and changing people's mind's naturally, SJWs go full force and try to rush it, when this entire process needs to be generational.

>>52293564
This. The best way to fix these issues, which do exist, is sympathy. That's what's missing from progressivism nowadays, there are efforts to shame the bigotry out of people and get them to fall in line, instead of understanding how people got into these mindsets in the first place. Nobody gets redpilled by OD'ing on a whole bottle of them, they get drawn into these idealogies over time, the only way to get them out is though honest noncondecending debate, which SJWs never want to do because "it gives bigots a podium."

>>52290844
Yes and no.

Yes sexism should be opposed BUT I don't know honestly if it's actually any worse than any other activity, I mean what are we comparing this to? Because I'm pretty sure there's loads of places that are far more sexist than even a bad LGS.

Additionally if you try and badger me into being your comfort soldier then fuck you, I'm not there to care for your fee-fees unless I know you and like you, I just finished a long week and want to play some fucking cards.

However, sexism is stupid and since I like having women around I will happily oppose it, it helps that I'm also a fair bit more forward than most of the other people at my shop so I will say something.


...though in practice the seen words I've seen scare most women away haven't been 'you can't do that, you're a girl', they were 'no, you have to paint those models'.

Also hi to a fellow /r/magictcg lurker but this is a three year old strip.

>>52293572
What was the ratio like, in man children to others?

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>>52291298
That's the point.

I just love how even the guys who seem to be somewhat coherently keeping on the same topic are just talking about completly different things.
Such is the beauty of bait.

>>52290959
Particularly because it comes across as trying to fight sexism and gender roles by expecting men to stand up for you because you're a woman.

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>>52293687
well said anon

>>52293687
>>52293691
>muh bigotry
>muh sexism
>muh there needs to be social change
>muh delusion that sexism is even a problem in the western world
>muh sexism is dumb
>muh sexists r retards

/t(umblr)g/

fuck off to /pol/ with this shit.

>>52293473
In my personal experience, they actually do want to be part of the hobby, they just don't want to have to deal with shitty neckbeards as part of it. I've played with a lot of women giving the hobby a second try after deciding it wasn't for them because it meant enduring neckbeards rolling masturbation checks or flirting incessantly at them.

For the same reason, I'm pretty sure you have your numbers backwards. Neckbeards drive away a lot more customers than one each, both by keeping you from converting one-time buyers into loyal customers, keeping them from bringing friends in, and most importantly, in giving the whole hobby a bad reputation. I mean, look through this thread - the entire thing is filled with people saying "that's just how the hobby is." Why would new people WANT to be a part of it?

>>52293606
So many regulars? So many neckbeards? Yeah, it's basically the only place they're allowed to socialize without the social repercussions of civil society that they struggle with. That's why they spend their time there, and that's why they spend so much money there. That's why that's where all those people congregate (it's also why I typically go into the store to shop, and then leave, and game at my house with my friends instead).

It's a business that caters to social outcasts who spend all of their disposable income for a place they feel comfortable.

Some shops are mainstream "family spaces". And that's fine.

Do you go for the small crowd that spends a *lot* or the big crowd that spends very little?

It's a business decision each LGS determines for itself.

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>>52293585
>Where's the joke?

Bloody hell I'm here to talk fantasy and sci fi and science fantasy and all that sort of bollocks not this

>>52293687
>honest nonconscending debate

Which will never happen, because the entire premise is based on a stunningly obbvious lie - that men and women are exactly the same (they aren't) and they should be treated as such (they shouldn't). Of course even the latter has fallen out of favor lately for "gimme free shit because muh vagina, cishet oppressor".

>>52293735
Why do you think you deserve to run people out of the hobby because you don't like them? They spent the money to build their community, they invested the time and effort to build something they wanted. What kind of egotistical little shit are you where you think it's okay to move into something someone else built and start demanding changes to suit what you want instead of them?

If you want your social justice bullshit club then make it, don't go co opting the neckbeard's hard work because now it's cool and popular to be a Big bang theory watching "nerdy" you want to play Magic once a week with your starter deck.

>>52293742
Look mom I got a big fish, I knew this bait would do it

>>52293771
>Of course even the latter has fallen out of favor lately for "gimme free shit because muh vagina, cishet oppressor".
Who are you quoting?

I'm convinced that most of this inclusive hogwash is just the aging self-deluded userbase of the starved for praise "everyone gets a medal generation" who want their hobby to be legitimized by the mainstream in an effort to proclaim that they haven't wasted their lives on it thus far.

Like the idiots that want video games to be art.

>>52291085
>The real problem is that women are listened to less in STEM classrooms, especially when put in groups of their peers, and sometimes explicitly told they don't belong because they're women.
OK, I don't know about all of STEM but I did do computing at university, now work in IT and am involved in screening CVs and interviewing.

In all that time do you know how many women in IT courses or qualified for sysadmin roles I've seen?

Hell drop the 'qualified', know many female students, professionals and CVs I've seen all together?

Three. Not a word of a lie, three. Two students, one of whom flaked out second year, and 1 coworker. That's why we don't hire women in tech; we can't find qualified women and none are taking it at university.

>>52293790
>>52293799
these

>>52293785
>Who are you quoting?
I'm pretty sure that's from Amy Schumer's latest standup.

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>>52290844
>questioning questionable behaviour

>>52293730

Nigga. I hate SJW more than you faggy /pol/tards ever could.

Glass ceilings are a thing anon. A lot of what they talk about are things that I've seen people in my life deal with.

The issue is that instead of the old Atticus Finch "walk a mile in their shoes" dig progressivism used to follow, these new faggots go around saying "you can't fit in my shoes, you can't even shuffle around in them."

The whole point of that analogy is to say that understanding must be built before you can truly empathise with someone, you gotta talk with them, relate with them.

Modern liberals don't want to hear anybody other than themselves, so they don't reach out, they tell people that its not even worth trying to understand your fellow man, but you still have to empathise. You have to empathise from a position of ignorance, which is nothing more than kissing ass.

>>52293717
thanks breh

>>52293730
I literally don't know how you got that from those two posts, are you illiterate anon?

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>>52293732
Sorry, mate. Geek culture and /pol/ are one and the same, now.

>>52293504
I'd never seen him try anything before going with her that one time.

First thing he did when he saw her walk in was stand up, to giggle from his friends and started following us around the store.

She was looking to buy some more high elf units and he just stood there, at the end of the aisle, staring at her. So I walked up to him, asked him if he needed something and if we were in the way. Fuck said nothing and just walked away.

We were at the counter ringing her boxes up when he tries to casually walk by, avoids eye contact with me, pretends to stumble over nothing and smacks her ass. Half a second later I'm between them and pulling out my phone. He walked back to his table and started to pack his stuff, while the owner was cussing him out for being a dick.

>>52293592
But why is gaming demonized by society? It's not like smoking - it's not an innately poisonous hobby. It's a social one, good for developing creativity and strategy.

Maybe it's because gaming culture caters to repulsive individuals so much?

>>52293891
Autists and some people think it's still the 80s where you can get mixed up in a cult of some kind.

>>52293735
>These socially awkward people congregating together is bad! Let's break them up so they have nowhere left to go!
Or... Just do your own thing and leave them alone? Go to a more family friendly LGS? Buy your stuff online or at Walmart and game with your friends at your house?

I don't want to hang out with the unshowered and greasy, either, but I don't feel a need to go into their homes and try to drive them off with a stick.

If you like games but don't like pockets of awkward gamers, just buy games you like and play them with people you like.

Just like I don't like listening to 11 year olds talking shit, so I don't play online multiplayer games where the other players can send text/voice messages to me and I either need to receive them or can't disable them. I buy other games instead

FLGS will die out if they can't be more welcoming to casuals. This includes women and minorities. The hobby is changing, and I don't think that's a bad thing.

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Oh god another SJW thread. I'll just leave this here...

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>>52293871
>twitter has become a podium for politics
it's impossible for me to take messages with character limits seriously

>>52293702
Only five actual man children. Enough to have their own safe little group.

Anywhere from 16-20 "casuals" depending on the week.

I ended up just moving the games to my place. Lost a few players who couldn't spare the drive time, which fucking sucked.

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>>52293735