interesting armour

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>>52266808
Apparently, samurai weren't supposed to wear the masks into battle.

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that particular style of japanese armor is definately not pre firearm

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>>52266808
Let's see...

Brass armor, pangolim armor, paper armor, bone armor, riveted leather armor, shields with hidden rockets and triple-barreled arquebuses used as shields, the eastern folks had it all.

The pic is austronesian brass armor. They used it because they iron was scarce and rust quickly in their humid environment. Their plated mail also had bigger gaps than say, ottoman equivalents, and never covered more of the body than this. Doing so was asking for a heatstroke.

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>>52268107

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>>52268118

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>>52268125

>>52268125
Stannis from game of thrones wears that.

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>>52268130
>>52268136
Yes, Matt Easton even made a video about it

>>52266808
>pre firearms
>post samurai

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>>52268146
This is an example of a more conventional plated mail.

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The Tie Ren, aka the Iron Man Corps of Koxinga.

"Tie Ren wielded Zhan Ma Dao (斬馬刀) as their main weapon, and wore a complete suit of iron lamellar armour that included an iron helmet, an iron mask painted in terrifying monstrous visage, body armour, armoured skirt, armpit armour, arm guards and iron boots, all made in the style of Manchu armour "

>>52267359
I've never head that they weren't allowed to wear masks, they just didn't care for them since it restricted their breathing.

>>52268159
Pangolim armor. Said to be extremely tough and usually reserved for high-ranking officers.

>>52268159
It amazes me how shit armor was elsewhere in the globe compared to Europe. Guns, Germs, and Steel really is applicable.

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>>52268212
Forgot pic.

I really have to sleep.

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>>52268223
Last one for now.

Cataphracts of the Jin Dinasty. This level of armor stopped with the Mongol conquests.

>>52268222
I only heard bad things from that book.

>>52268222
That book is complete shit.

>>52268253
>cataphract

So were these guys cavalry? I'd like to see some horseback two-handed swordsmanship.

>>52268173
>since it restricted their breathing.

And talking, and drinking. And sweat tended to collect in the chin-area, so they eventually drilled drainage holes there. Really, facial protection is absolutely the weakest part of the Kabuto.

Armor is for savages, uniforms is where it's at.

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swag yo!

>>52268222

People say that this book was shit, but anyway technological development is of course tied to racial average IQ.

>>52268766
Then how were the Mayans and Aztecs master of mathematics yet complete shit in every other department?

>>52268795
It doesn't even make sense, because according to the biiig book of graphs and statistic data, Asians should be leading the pack in mathematics and physics, when in reality, it's mainly slavic jews who do EVERYTHING in the field.

>>52268860
This is mainly because Jews are raised on numbers. Not only is the holy book numerical in nature and be reduced to a mathematical code, but they're educated in math from an incredibly young age.

>>52268876
>implying the quality of education trumps genetics

>>52268981
It does considering we haven't even found a "smart" gene, and intelligence is not a stat like in RPG, but applicable to specific functions. Somebody who is a complete genius when it comes to astrophysics for example may be a complete and utter retard in regards to computer science. Like Stephan Hawking and his "AI gunna destroy teh wurld" nonsense.

>>52269162
>Like Stephan Hawking and his "AI gunna destroy teh wurld" nonsense.

He is right though, the US has a major fetish for figthing out the race war nonwhites have shamefully denied them for centuries with AI-replacements, so it's reasonable to point out that they're absolutely going to indulge in it as soon as the technology's available.

>>52269189
Nigga there isn't going to be AI, that's the joke. The entire of idea and hope of the singularity is as much of a joke as fundies hoping for the Rapture. Never going to happen, Moore's law is already dead and Fusion is still thirty year's away.

>>52268156
What's wrong with that, samurai and japanese firearms coexisted for like, three centuries.

>>52269425
Almost all of that armor coexisted with firearms.

>>52269487
Whatever, I just misinterpreted what I read.

>>52267359
I was under the impression that it was the warlords and general who wore the masks, and generally didn't go out and do the front-line fighting ... is that not true?

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>>52268687
Why not both?

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superior Korean armor coming through. all other plebs may bask in its glory then proceed to kill themselves

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The more outrageous kabuto are generally from the meiji era when Japan was at peace - they're basically fancy "formal wear" for samurais whose social role was more landlord and baron than warrior.

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>meanwhile, in medieval europe...

>>52268253
For some reason that armor/weapon combo looks dedicated to fighting on foot, but also fighting opponents who are perhaps lightly armored to unarmorex. Carving through and breaking formations of peasant levies and the like.

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>>52268253
>This level of armor stopped with the Mongol conquests.
Song period lamellar was only rendered obsolete by firearms during the early Qing.

The Mongols (re)introduced cotton,brigandine and mail armors.

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>>52266808
Global 16th century

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>>52268253

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>>52273516
>16th century
Ming brigandine would look more like this.

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TIBET HAS ALWAYS BEEN PART OF CHINA PROPER.

SIBERIA IS HAN-ASIAN

VIETS GET OUT OF OUR ANCESTRAL LANDS REEEEE.

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>>52272181
Squad

>>52268107
>The pic is austronesian brass armor. They used it because they iron was scarce and rust quickly in their humid environment. Their plated mail also had bigger gaps than say, ottoman equivalents, and never covered more of the body than this. Doing so was asking for a heatstroke.

I realise that West-Africa has a completely different climate, but West- and Central-Africans happily wore thick mail and plate mail in combat. The point where armour becomes too hot to wear is less like an absolute point, and more something regional, something about what you're used to.

I mean, I've seen pictures of Indonesian warriors wearing metal cuirasses.

>>52268222
>It amazes me how shit armor was elsewhere in the globe compared to Europe. Guns, Germs, and Steel really is applicable.
Nope. Europe just was a chaotic little cold shithole with a load of savages fighting over nothing for hundreds of years. No real empire-building for hundreds of years meant that the Europeans could develop absurd amounts of resources in making a small group of warriors (knights and man-at-arms) well protected.

The empires that laid around the European continent never bothered with that shit because why make a single soldier invulnerable to arrows, bolts and bullets when you can just send 100 horse archers, or 1000 pikemen after his ass?

>>52269338
The fact that you think AI relies on inventing new chips instead of layering systems shows just how little you know about artificial intelligence.

It will happen. After all, intelligence is simply a process of stacking systems of awareness onto each other, until the various systems can analyse each other, leading to self-awareness.

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>>52273743
>No real empire-building for hundreds of years meant that the Europeans could develop absurd amounts of resources in making a small group of warriors (knights and man-at-arms) well protected.

We only started to really diverge from Eurasian trends after we already had some experience in colony-management and the Spaniards had well learned the tricks of the trade on how to exploit landed populations from their former North African masters.

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>>52273743
...and the trend of heaping loads and loads of gear on individual soldiers really started with the Greek and reached its first aphex with the romans.

Gotta keep in mind that those fuckers basically had every single soldier march into battle geared up like goddamn nobility.

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>>52268733

>>52273971
Only for a short while.

Banded plate armour a shit. Mail is king.

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>>52274112

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>>52274333

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>when you have to protect m'lady's honour

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>>52274558

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>>52268291
I meant only the armor, doubt sword being for horseback. >>52272259 may be more on point. It's not like such armor would be exclusive to horsemen. Plus, considering >>52272984, I have to be more careful on what I said, or at least remember where I read that.

>>52273674
I should have been clearer. The point is heat + humidity. One can manage the heat alone, but the level of humidity in Austronesia makes the heavier armor unbereable. We're talking of a place where one can drench in their own sweat without armor or heavy labor.

>>52268253
Studded leather armor existed, but the studs just held the leather scales to the fabric underneath.

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It's a french riot squad.

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>>52274635
http://greatmingmilitary.blogspot.com.br/2015/02/paper-armour-of-ming-dynasty.html
>Zhi Jia (紙甲, paper armour)
A different Zhi Jia, hereby dubbed "studded paper armour", is recorded in Jin Tang Jie Zhu Shi Er Chou (《金湯借箸十二籌》) and Yong Chuang Xiao Pin (《湧幢小品》). It is made of flexible paper, hammered soft and layered to three cun thick, then fastened with studs. It is said that this armour performs better when soaked with rainwater.

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>>52274635
>>52274721
>Not posting the stuff that'd get you kicked outta the LARP as part of an in-group-building-exercise.

>>52272099
Koreans did have armored warships before everyone else.

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>>52274802
>>52274654

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>>52274862
A ship's basically a floating fortress as soon as its main deck is located a couple of meters above the waterline though.

>>52273787
The fact that you think you actually get returns from diminishing returns shows you don't know shit about computers. You cannot infinitely increase whatever the hell you mean by "systems"- eventually your processing speed and efficiency will level off due to diminishing returns. There is no such thing as an exponential trend in reality, eventually everything plateaus.

>>52268222
>>52268159 is objectively superior to most European armor prior to the 15th or 16th century.
And please do run around in fucking humid-ass India with a full plate kit, why don't you? Have fun with the heatstrokes.

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>>52274988
...mail-and-plate is a 15th-16th century type of armour, Anon.

>>52275050
I thought they were 14thc. Fuck.
Still, it's best for its enviornment.

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>>52274635
>I have to be more careful on what I said, or at least remember where I read that.
The textile industry boom that began during the Yuan dynasty made it more cost efficient to adopt brigandine/cotton armor.

The northern border garrisons adopted Mongol armaments so Ming cavalry/mounted infantry would resemble >>52273597

An apt analogy would be the Ming "surcoat" brigandine being gradually phased out by the two piece variants during the late Ming/early Qing.

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>>52274988
>is objectively superior to most European armor prior to the 15th or 16th century.
No it isn't. Full plate armor was invented in Europe by 1380/90, and prior to that it still had full coverage of the limbs with plates and wearing some variety of a coat of plate, which are tight overlapping plates which function like a cuirass.

Pic related is leagues beyond that indian shit armor. Do you even know anything about historical armor for that matter?

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>>52275118
Seeing how the frontiers of the habsburg/ottomans-conflict ran through the Balkans and most of South-eastern and eastern central Europe, I'd imagine that heath wasn't much of an issue there.

Also some formations, like the Janissairs, apparently did without armour unless a siege was at hand. And then they just threw on whatever captured gear local armouries could supply them with.

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>>52275220
Furthermore by the 13th century, Men at Arms already had full torso protection courtesy of Coats of Plate, on top of full bodily maille and some variety of padded garment (which Indians likely didn't wear under their maille).

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>>52273634

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>some kind of late antique heavy sniper rifle

a dex armor set, I'm sure.

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>>52275441
>>52275455

>>52275441
>>52275455
Okey... I am literally ready 2 cum now. Amasing

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I really like the beer belly on these.

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>>52275528
Holy fuck, that armor is pure sex.

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>triggered

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>>52266808

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>>52275728
Sure is. I love that kinda helmet.

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>>52275705

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>>52275746
Goddamn that's a big fucking shield.

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They recently excavated these from a medival shitter.

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>manlytears gets knighted

>>52275441
No danger of overheating in that at least

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And that's it from me. Hope you enjoyed.

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Wherever I am...

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>>52275746
is that xboxhuge shield even practical? it's as tall as a roman shield but looks far wider and made of a thicker and heavier metal.

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>>52271898
>is that not true?
Well, yes and no.
Some generals made it a point to actually fight alongside their men while others planted themselves and their banners at some visible point to inspire their men, hence some of the more outlandish outfits.
The latter became more common after everyone started stacking up on matchlocks though.

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>>52276199
It's an artist's interpretation of Hector and his gear.

So nah. A shield that size's practical if you're setting up field fortifications and that's it.

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It's a real pity the Roman Army of the 3rd Century doesn't get more attention.

>>52272144
I think you mean the Edo period.
By the time the Meiji Restoration rolled around, no one was really wearing any armour at all.
A lot of fancy kabuto were made in order to get a quick buck off stupid gaijin though.

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>>52276229
Byzanthie gear basically is a "here be dragons-field", mostly thanks due to the fact that Europe's really trying hard to MAXIMALLY DISDAIN the Balkans while the region and Turkey being in no mood to talk about that period either.

>>52276199
IIRC some Bronze Age armies had guys act in pairs; one archer and one shield carrier/spearmen.
Though probably not with such a giant bronze monstrosity.

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>>52276229
I think Winkelmann mainly used 3rd century gear in his research.

>>52276224
I'm assuming there's a line I've forgotten in Iliad about Hector having a fuckhueg shield, but otherwise I don't see the point; I can't imagine that gear resulting in a cool epic fight scene with Achilles, even in an animated format.

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>>52266808
So, I heard you were actually supposed to open your visor once you get into combat.
That true?

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The main issue is that we're still having problems deciphering their art. Like we gotta assume that they showed stuff that's close to real, but we don't know what short-hands they used that had them end up with images like these.

>>52276365
In many configurations that would actually require you to take the whole helmet off, so no. Not a good idea.

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>>52276351
>; I can't imagine that gear resulting in a cool epic fight scene with Achilles, even in an animated format.
Reminder that warfare in Mycenaean Greece basically consisted of two groups of bronze cans getting hammered, bumping into each other a bit with a few casulties and then one side fucking off.

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Russian gear's kinda fun.

>>52275455
THAT THERE'S A BOY

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>gather examples of pretty much EVERY SINGLE FUCKING TYPE of bronze helmet used in this end of Eurasia
>make a cataloug that's talking about three excavation sites and burial rites

Yeah, the contents of the exhibits were basically not published at all. I am still so fucking mad that I will eventually start pestering them until they let me access their documentations, which surely must exist.

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>>52276229
they are pretty dope but I prefer late era romans. they aesthetic as fuck.

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>>52276296
>3rd Century Rome
>Byzantine

Aurelian is the cut off between Classical and Medieval Rome.
>>52276437
Don't forget those sexy boar-tusk helmets

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>>52276588

>>52276437
Well, yes, that's totally what would normally happen (and I guess in that context, that get-up would be unstoppable), but since the Climactic Duel is described as everyone else backing off while Superman and Captain America throw down, I imagine there'd be more to it than shields pushing up against each other until one of them gets stabbed.
Then again, that's the story, not the Historical Fighting, so it's a bit out of this thread's purview.

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>>52276606
love late roman helms.

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>>52276628

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>>52276588
A bunch of catapracts coming at you must have been so fucking scary.

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>>52276655

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Love to have this in a game where each one can be enchanted.

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>>52276672

>>52276588
Late Tomans are cool too, and there's some very interesting dynamics going on tactically as well. The Limitanei/Comitatensis system is pretty brilliant.


Plus I like to point out how the Late Roman Army never actually failed.

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>>52276682
at least the catapracts are being stupid and charging your spear line
>>52276686

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>>52276700

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>>52276682

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>>52276719
yeah the army was still great during the era. It's just how many things the romans had to deal with is what caused the wre to slowly be conquered.
>>52276721

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>>52276745

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here's how japanese looked during ancient era

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>>52276794

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>>52275455
Lewd.

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>>52276745
Would protect her smile/10

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>turks on fine hash

>>52276365
Yes, to an extent. Having the visor closed to give maximum protection was most important when attacked by missles or receiving lances. Once you close to melee though, raising the visor was an option since unobstructed breathing, vision and communication can often outweigh the potential disadvantage of getting hit in the face.

It's not a universal thing, but it was certainly done. Check out the Knyght Errant youtube videos as they cover this point in several vids. The series generally is very good, with indepth analysis and cites the relevant sources/art/extant artefacts.

https://www.youtube.com/user/neosonic66

>>52276414
>In many configurations that would actually require you to take the whole helmet off, so no. Not a good idea.
I'm not sure you know what a moveable visor is.

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>>52276798
I seriously wonder what sort of reference materiel Osprey uses for their medieval Chinese.

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>>52276888
>I'm not sure you know what a moveable visor is.

Some types of Mempo were tied into the strings that held the Kabuto. You couldn't untie them without taking off the helmet at the same time.

>>52276925
Main source apparently is that chinese opera artists's book on chinese armour. He basically drew everything with the cut of manchu brigandine.

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>>52276888
Neat.
Always nice to see youtuber specializing in arms & armour that doesn't come across as being one bad day away from going on a stabbing spree.

>>52275746
>mfw I now realize that the Shield of Achilles given to him by Hephaestus was that big.

Jesus GOD, I no longer will call Achilles the skinny-bitch-boy of the Greeks..

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>>52276967
>Main source apparently is that chinese opera artists's book on chinese armour.
I've checked the corresponding title,apparently the unarmored swordsmen was based on a ceramic pillow...

At least their other paintings reference Wujing Zongyao.

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>>52277149
Why is that guy humping a tree?

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Cruppelarius gladiator

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>>52276967
When the question specifies whether one would "open" a visor in a given situation, with a picture of an armet (a helmet universally fitted with a mobile visor system) that does somewhat imply that anon was talking about helmets where raising and lowering the visor is an option in the heat of battle.

Talking about a completely different sort of facial protection from a different culture that does not have any sort of moveable visor is not terribly relevant.

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>>52274831
I didn't get it, but I also never been at LARPs.

>>52274862
And made its own reconstructions wrongly. For starters, turtle ships were rounder and had a command plataform on top.

>>52275195
Noted. I find it interesting how many eastern armors are very like an armored coat. It makes me think of some "flak trench coat" equivalent for WW1.

>>52275746
>>52275781
>>52276199
>>52276437
>>52276611
>>52277132
That artist always exagerates here and there, but he is quite accurate at the same time. A guy in bronze plate like that probably wouldn't have the bronze shield as well. These have more precise depictions:
http://www.salimbeti.com/micenei/
http://readcomiconline.to/Comic/Age-of-Bronze

>>52276925
http://greatmingmilitary.blogspot.com.br/2015/11/100th-post-p1.html
http://greatmingmilitary.blogspot.com.br/2015/11/101st-post-p2.html

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>>52277284

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Probably my favorite of all ancient helmets

>>52277149
Reminds me... do you have images from a demon scroll from the same period? I just recalled that I lost them to a broken harddrive and that they featured Jian with long crossguards.

>>52275856
"Verily, talketh neither to me nor mine son ever anon!"

>>52276199
>not naming file "hentai helm"

>>52277214
He's being tied to it. The image probably shows Han-scholars being humiliated by evil foreign Non-Han barbarians.

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>>52272181
>modern Sorority girl fashion
The West Never changes

>>52268876
The math beyond religion is also cultural/historical from back when they were the only money lenders because interest was unchristian.

>>52275856
5'9"-6'0

>>52274654
>>52274802
>French armor for sale
>gently used
>slight damage on the back plates

>>52285626
They all sport war boners tho.

>>52276885
Dude, that's a Turk on magic mushrooms or coca leaves.

Hash makes your eyes small, not big.

>when you realise cannabis comes from asia

THAT'S WHY ASIANS HAVE TINY EYES! THEY'RE BORN TO BE HIGH!

>>52288145
Some taoist rites indeed have them burn fine hash in a closed room and inhale the fumes.

>>52276062
>if i remove thine visor dost thou die?
>it would pain thou greatly
>thou art a large man
>for thou

>>52266808
So much wood and lacquered leather

>>52274943
If brains exist, artificial brains can be made. Brains exist, therefore artificial brains are possible. And made superior to biological brains because they will work at the speed of light, instead of the speed of chemicals getting pumped through your grey matter.

>>52272144
>>52274043
>>52274306
These are pretty cool designs

>>52275756
Its called a sallet.
Its my favorite too.

>>52276365
I guess the guy at the top is the bard?

>>52289155
>what does he play?
>the gun

>>52289172
>a song of freedom and US American political institutions