Shadow War Armageddon (Necromunda 40k)

>>52266700

I'm getting the terrain for sure to use in 40k. Hopefully I can get more than one set, and for a good deal. If I can get the rules too to play Necromunda once in a while that'd be cool as well. Have no use for the models though which are no doubt packaged into the price.

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>>52266764
Yea shitty old ass Orks and Scouts are super uninteresting, I just want the rules. Hoping for a Necro supplement pretty hard and it would be fun to actually be able to go into a GW store again I think ill play a human or cult gang in the default box and use my old Necro minis

>>52267096
cutlass not a choppa... promising.

>>52266700
Why does the Heavy cost dramatically less points than the other two when it has basically the same stats and access to snazzier weapons?

>>52267162
I'm guessing thats a typo/preview copy or something, doenst make any sense otherwise.

>>52267162
Typo or they might be forced to buy a heavy weapon which could up their cost (so its 10+whatever the gun costs are).

>>52267162
Heavy weapons cost a lot.

There should be a clause in the GW CEO job that they cannot squat games, killing off all their games just to resurrect them all again is the most pointless thing ive ever seen.

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I have collected a few of the 2nd ediiton Orks in anticipation that I would be able to use them one day. I'm glad this game is coming out now time to get painting.

>>52267240
> current
> necromunda
Nigga how long was you stuck in that iceberg

Anyway, if there's a clause that they cannot squat "current" games then how dafuq they ever gonna stop printing games nobody plays?

>>52267240

It's like you don't even know how businesses work. Who would be stupid enough to write a clause into a business contract that says you cannot terminate divisions and products that hemorrhage money? Oh, that's right, morons like you. But that's the reason you're not on a board of directors.

>>52267689
You literally have no idea what you are talking about. Kys. Fuck me some fething stupid posters on nu/tg/

>>52267530
Necromunda was still being supported up to relatively recently via their specialist games you gronk.

>>52267689
So you think axing their entire specialist range just to bring it all back isn't an indicator they made a bad business decision?
Put it this way you smartass they withdrew support for all their popular games and now are bringing back everyone BB, Mordheim, Necromunda, Epic, BFG etc. its a complete 180.
All they managed to do is alienate millions of fans and turn away customers.

>>52267936
would have been ok if they had told us that was their plan (it wasn't at the time presumably though) then they wouldn't have annoyed fans.

They axed all the specialist models what? 5 years ago? They stopped producing them before that I guess and were just selling all their stock off.

>>52267872
>relatively recently
Nigga that shit has been gone for what now, half a decade?

>>52267844
Not that anon, but being unable to end pet projects would kill a company. If you're not buying more models to support it then they're probably going to stop spending money on it

>>52267936
This anon has a point however. They've realized that there was in fact money to be made.

>>52267969
Yeah but thats not what happened they wound down support of their other games but left them up on the site. It wasn't costing them a fucking thing.
Then they decided to just terminate it all indefinately, not supported and deleted evidence of its existance.
Imagine a car company deleting evidence of its previous car models.
Squating their game lines was an over reaction. Thats why clauses in management exist ie don't fuck this up or you lose your job.

>>52268026
On top of that its just strange for a company to do. Companies are proud to show off popular past products. Every company does this but GW hired some real snowflakes fucking lol. It just expresses unconfidence in your business hiding past products.

>>52266700
>Plus maybe we will get a Necromunda actual if this is popular or FW might do something. Fingers crossed
Given how close to original necromunda rules i doubt it actually. This is the new necromunda, if yiu want the gangs again limit yourselves to IG/cultists

>>52268026
They probably sold off the majority of the old figures and so just deleted it.

GW has since the mid-2000's been dementedly after the new players and shitting on the old ones.

The new releases are calling back to all the old players, it's smart and maybe it 's not too late, I was a 90's GW fanboy and now they are slowly winning me back

At least in principle... I can't afford their mad shit prices.

>>52268045
Well if the rules are updated and still Necro then Yaktribe will happily release a Necro/Gang list community edition too.

>>52268043
They weren't hiding anything, a product with poor sales was just dropped.
Like every company does.

>>52268075
>Dropped
>poor sales
>wasn't hiding
Where to start on all this wrong. They did hide them they literally scrubbed their site of them.
Poor sales is attributed to them not bringing out releases.
You don't need to delete evidence of a products existance if you are not selling them anymore and provide the rules.

>>52268026
>It wasn't costing them a fucking thing.

Like I said, you don't even know how businesses work. I actually have an education and career experience in business and even manufacturing. Which makes your sperging even more hilarious and ironic.

>Kys. Fuck me some fething stupid posters on nu/tg/

What's doubly hilarious is I'm probably the one you're copying by using the phrase "nu-/tg/".

Do you know what EPS is? Do you know wht overhead is? Do you know how GW's expenses are distributed throughout each product range?

Look up Dunning-Kruger and take some classes before you talk shit, you mouthbreather.

>>52268119
>Poor sales is attributed to them not bringing out releases.

If a product doesn't sell, you axe it. You don't waste more money on it. What if you spend more money on it and it STILL doesn't sell? You should be spending your money bringing out releases for things that ARE selling or that you KNOW will sell.

Stay ignorant, Armchair CEO who has never taken a business class in his life.

>>52268119
>They did hide them they literally scrubbed their site of them.
Thats not hiding them, thats removing something you don't sell from the catalogue. Basic good buisness here.
Same for dropping the rules, you don't have a product you don't support anymore still on your webstore, that's just dumb and no one does that.

>>52267872
no
some minis were available
the rulebook? terrain? rapidfire dice?

So, what are the factions?

>>52268163
There were new releases.

>>52268163
While the minis were on sale the rules were a free download.
Regular 40k terrain nworked pretty well if you had to buy GW terrain for your table for some reason.
The rules include a chart for using a regular D6 as a rapid fire die.

The game was fully supported, until it wasn't suported at all.

>>52268131
>trolling
All that projecting.

>>52268182
Unknown exaclty, but its been stated to be 12. And they had a list of some compatible kits that included all the factions.
So everyone is in in some form.

>>52268140
>waste money.
If you are not producing anything how are you wasting money autist?

>>52268206
Are these singular troops squads, or can you take a balance of units like Kill Team?

>>52268131
People who profess to being economic business experts while sounding like a 14 year old and using the term Dunning-Kruger are always suffering from it.
If you were so brilliant you wouldn't be typing long stupid autistic posts on 4chan.

>>52268131
I can smell your stomach rolls from your post. Fucking nu/tg/obbler

>>52268233
Unknown for certain, though by the rules leak in OP it looks like you build your gang on a per model basis rather than having to get whole units like in kill team.

>>52268208
Well no, but its really poor form for a company to advertise a product they won't sell you.
Its better and makes more sense to only show things that you can sell a customer.

>>52268270
>GW advertise
You don't know what you are talking about holy shit.
What the fuck do you think they are doing with Mordheim and the Warhammer video games?! Advertising a product they don't sell.

Leaving up rules for past products is not selling.

>>52268270
>licence a WFB game link to buying the models
>already axed WFB
GW cutting edge business strategies. Explain this GW fanbois.

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>>52266700
I have a squad of Arbites and a squad of steel legion waiting on the rules to drop. I paid way to much for them way to long ago, and its a great excuse to do them up.

>I'll take carapace and shotguns and run count as, but if steel legion gets any sort of fluff I might just do them, just because GW remembered to.

>>52268259
Be cool if you could have a mixed faction within some limits. Not silly allies like in 40k, but like a Chaos Space Marine leading chaos cultists, a few pureblood genestealers in a genestealer cult. Imperial Guard and hive militia.

>>52268321
Weird and gay that Cadian infantry squad is mentioned and not Armageddon steel legion... On armageddon, but i guess GW will never produce a new plastic guard infantry set.

>>52268323
They all sound like they'll be possible.

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>>52268321
you don't have to tell me about spending silly money on old models.

>>52268344
What are we looking at here second hand cleaned, second hand new or mint and you opemed them?

>>52268344
>Australian.

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>>52268332 Bah! are their leaks of the guard units or fluff?

>>52268344
I keep telling my self, simple green and they resale just as much as I paid for them.

>>52268290
The videogames are their own product not an advertisement.

Having an entry in the online catalogue (all the GW website was at the time) is effectively advertising it.

>>52268396
*inhales* Wrong. Besides being wrong, they are advertising the discontinued models via the games.

>>52268332
Cadian squad is just mentioed because it's the generic guardsmen kit.

Fluff for guardsmen is likely still steel legion.

>>52268396
>>52268404
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=du0emDgJ-L4

>>52268411
Cringe.

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I'm late to the news - is this something set on Armageddon? Are they going to revamp the Wars for Armageddon instead of letting it hang on in the background?

>>52268443
Looks like they are using Armageddon to launch a generic hive skirmish game.

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>>52268352
These are almost all second hand stripped and cleaned, plus I grabbed a couple boxes of the new stuff (2002ish?) before GW fucked it off.

A few blisters new had to be bought to complete the set. Not all opened yet. About 50 Necro models painted, maybe 80? Mostly they are prepped at least and undercoated.

>>52268362
What gave it away?

>>52268488
The box.

>>52268488
>What gave it away?
Not him, but i recognized that postal box.

>>52268496
Auspost is quite distinctive. Now guess the state

>>52268451
Is there a chance they'll include Steel Legion models?

I think had to rework the specialist games at some point because the sales were too low. But they also were shifting to full plastic and reworking their whole fantasy part. So squatting the specialists was understandable, since even a company like GW doesn't have the resources to do that. Also they simply weren't interested un skirmishes and thought they wouldn't make them money and focused on ugly space marine aircraft and retarded giant robots in 28mm.
ALSO now they can ride the nostalgia train and keep releasing subpar rules with ancient models, just because they slapped an old name on the product.
That said, to answer OPs question: I sure as hell will get into this game, since I live skirmishes.

>>52268523
Spacemarine scouts vs ork boys in the box. Rest is 40k line minis.

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>>52268536
Fuck. Could have at least repackaged some Catachans and called them Ork Hunters.

>>52268530
>Kill your diverse specialist line
>Competitors start making substitutes and big profits
>oh fuck oh fuck what have we done turn it back on!

>>52268552
Wish they would learn that lesson about the guard

>>52267496
Your girlfriend has super funky ankles at that angle.

>>52268344
Holy fuck, you fucking fuck.

I've been picking up old Necromunda models for several years when I've been able to, and the top layer alone of that box contains dozens of models that ... by extrapolating my timeline, would take me another 30 years to collect.

>>52268778
This.

I jelly.

>>52268741
She is slav squatting in the soft carpet lol

>>52268778
>>52268936
>>52268488
This is also my stuff.. Hehe. Sorry to make you jelly but it was the one good thing about an office job. Money and no time. Now I drive a truck and can paint this stuff !

>>52267096
One would expect DW vets to be good at fighting all xenos.

>>52269471
Orks and Tyranids, probably. Eldar would be too uncommon of an enemy to develop a specialty against, even for the Deathwatch. The Tau already suck in melee anyway so a bonus against them is pretty benign. Though I suppose it might help defeat Crisis suits.

>>52267496
>2nd ed kommandos

Exceptional taste Anon. Those were the models that got me into playing Orks when I was a kid.

>>52266700
I'm real salty that the box set is going to cost £80/$130. I like the terrain, but not THAT much. Hopefully the rules will be available digitally.

>>52269817
Thanks anon they were the 3rd models I ever purchased and one of only 2 units I ever finished painting before my wargame Renaissance during university.

>>52270031
I'm hoping lots of people buy it for the terrain So can pick up a book cheap .

Does Not! Necromunda have SoB, slaanesh or Inquisition?
Fucking marines are now in and with no gangs in hive world setting.

>>52270445
It probably will. The units listed in the news post were examples of what can be used, not the definitive list.

>>52267096
>I3
Orks even more of a melee race now!

>>52267096
How are those things even remotely fair?

Maybe if the box came with 20 Orks and 5 marines. But 10vs10 with those stat line is just sad (assuming old Necromunda copy pasted rules )

>>52270601
Scouts are better at shooting, orks are better at melee.

Alternatively: GW don't care, they just want to shift old sprues.

>>52270601
The box comes with Scouts and Orks not Deathwatch and Flash Gits though.

>>52270638
I was like you.

Hope is the first step on the road to disappointment

>>52270670
I'd fucking stomp on a baby for a new Ork boyz and new ARMAGEDDON STEEL LEGION set for the Armageddon game... sigh.

>>52270701
Get in line. I'm waiting for plastic SoB for over a decade. The bulk of the models sold today are from 1997.
Let that sink.

Anything that doesn't have marines in it is good in my book. This having marines makes it automatically shit.

Is not that I hate marines. I just got bored by oversaturation. My fucking grandmother had marines. They are so bland today that it is totally boner kill.

>>52270761
Don't worry i'm aware, I too have sisters.

>>52270811
I'm just tired.

I've been playing this bloody thing for decades. The only thing I want to see is a single edition with everyone having decent rules and updated models for at least thier bulk

>>52270761
I got some Chaos Bikers recently and they too are 20 years old now. I kitbashed them with some Raptors I was also assembling and the difference in detail (and the amount of bits they can cram into each sprue) is astounding.

>>52270871
At least they are plastic. It makes easier to work with.

Metal is not a problem for like 10 models, but with 40keks when you need 20+ minimum converting metal sucks the fun out of the hobby.

>>52270870
Orks, Sisters and Guard need plastic infantry updates, so much new marines every godamn 6 months or whatever makes me sick when we haven't had new infantry for Sisters (97) Orks (99) and Guard (03)

But shit, I guess we need Space Marines with slightly different armor.

>>52270914
>converting metal

Never again.

>>52270996
I'm guessing that they figure that serious guard players are big enough grogs that they'll spring for the old metal and forge world stuff. Sisters are neglected forever, aside from the tease that was Celestine & Co. Orks....maybe we'll see new ones? I think in general GW is loathe to replace any multi-part plastic kit that isn't marines since it wouldn't guarantee solid short term returns.

>>52271038
Well I'm one of them, from Vostroyans to old Cadians I have a bit of every old metal guard there is.

It's hard to fathom that they don't update core units though since you are required to take basic infantry in almost every army. Seeing things like the blood bowl orcs makes me wonder what a new 40k ork would look like too, no more broken back apes...

So sad for people who love sisters though why are they kept around but in such a sad state. I have a soft spot for them ever since the battlereport which introduced necrons attacking the included in WD cardboard chapel.

>>52271081
The odd thing is, GW has axed entire games and for some reason SoB have never been axed.

I play marines and I'm tired of the constant update while my opponents have the same shit for decades

Ugh fucking GW. I swore off them nearly a decade ago and escaped into the blessed land of 15mm. Then recently I thought "Oh new Blood Bowl? You loved that game as a kid" and bought a box (or two). And then it was "Oh the limited edition Space Hulk, that was another awesome game you should buy a box before it goes out of stock again". Now I'm already fucking buying GW city terrain and Skitarri for a game that isn't even out yet.

Curse you GW! Why must you bring back all the games I couldn't afford as a kid!

>>52271511
Because you're a slut for grimdark bullshit, and they know it.

>>52271511
Yes, how dare they produce fun stuff.

>>52271528
I'm not even sure GW knows why people buy their non marine stuff.

Just look at the "leaked" email about Vyridian over selling so hard.

>>52271528

I.. I thought I could just pirate the books and get my fix that way. But then a few Commissar Cain books later and I was furiously scouring eBay for Epic. I thought "I'll just buy some Orks and Imperial Guard". Then I wanted Tyranids. Then Eldar. Then Space Marines. And just getting the regular troops wasn't enough. I had to search for the rare models, and then I found fan models that were massive improvements over the originals...

>>52271593
Veridyan sold hard because it's That Blanche Artwork in miniature form. Also because Sororitas are clinging onto the gothic and religious stylings of 40k while the setting as a whole seems to be sliding away a bit.

I've seen at least a couple of people bitching about Gilly coming back in the past few weeks, all along the lines of "hope and understanding? In MY 40k?"

>>52271649
There is some GOOD STUFF out there if you're down with non-GW models. Especially if you're playing orks.

>>52271683
GoS was so dissapointing. Butchering the setting and actually doing and change nothing.

>>52271740
GoS? You mean Gathering Storm, or something else?

>>52271788
Gathering of the Storm. GotS

The 3 new book, fall of shit/poop and rise of the boat

>>52271593
Sauce on that email?

>>52271849
Fuck if I remember of find the source today.

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>>52271849

>>52272116
>Don't make SoB shit for a decade
>Why are people buying this?! It is not a marine!
>It keeps running out! What the hell is happening!

>>52272343
GW are a pack of tards lets face it.

>>52272430
Is there any company that makes nerdery that has its shit together? Not that I disagree, just wondering if a Competent Game Company is a thing.

>>52272430
I'm sure GW is just a bunch of separate office that only talk with each other the day before the deadline and furiously try to glue their own individual works together.

>>52272455
Whilst trying to somehow ignore the fact that some single infantry models are like $50

>>52272450
I would say priveteer press but, the fucks are making the same mistake that GW with the ever bigger models. At least in 40k the game is a middle ground between skirimish and a grand Battle, warmachine is a skirimish game with shit as big as a knight.

Same bloody trick, each individual sales looks bigger in the short run, but it can't be sustainable in the long run unless they go out of their way to make this models cheap (point wise) and easy to field (rules restriction)

FFG was good enough but well their xwing game is suffering from GW retardness.

Wait... are all miniatures games doom to fail from the start?

>>52272450

I'd say Wizards of the Coast. They've done stuff to piss grognards off but haven't done things like unperson their older games/formats. And have continued to grow their player base at a good rate.

>>52272545
GW pricing is another can of worms.

You can say all the luxury product bullshit all day long. But when store can buy GW products for 30-50% less and GW still earning a profit you have an overpriced product. If you are not making a profit from those sales then you are leaking money. My guess? Those retarded one man stores with not enough space for a single table all over the world.

>>52272583
It's possible, given that their continued existence/financial success depends on Selling More Shit rather than making a balanced and enjoyable game. Same deal with CCGs/LCGs, and even RPGs. You want people to buy your new shit, and it's far easier to do that with cool looking stuff and some overpowered rules.

>>52272628
I get why the stores exist. They're there to have a street presence and draw people in. They're kinda like advertising. As functional gaming spaces, not so much.

>>52270515
>Drinking the Meme-aid
All Nobz (Flashgitz are Nobz) are I3 in the current book.

I2 are Boyz

>>52272669
I enjoy going to GW because they have all the official stuff and proper gaming tables that no other stores in my area have. It's just more convenient.

Fuck the prices, though. I'll order online for the majority of my units where I can get 30% off.

>>52272669
The old battle bunker thingy concept was a good idea.

This is no longer the 90's you can direct people to your sports bar GW store. Involve the consumers and you'll have loyal costumers.

For fuck sake the table top cafe and bars are a thing today. They work rather well. GW is more than willing to suppor the money dumping of the small store so the sport bar concept is not that outrageous.

Maybe if GW stopped shoving marines into everything we could have nice things

>>52272761
Were Battle Bunkers ever a thing in the UK?

>>52272781
No idea. Not even sure what country has them. (I've been playing for decades all over the world, so it got confusing after a while)

There is a LFGS in some banana republic country that is set next to an "Irish bar" and a strip club. One of the best places in SA. Sadly it's terrain selection is shit, and no GW crap is sold, but allowed certain days of the week.

My point is you need people to play wargames. Without a place to go and find random people the entire thing is pointless. That is why the one man stores with no tables is just such an odd concept from GW

>>52272909
That sounds like hell. Never been to a table-less GW in the UK.

>>52273161
My personal theory after dealing with GW all over the world is that they think the world works like the UK.

>>52272669
>given that their continued existence/financial success depends on Selling More Shit rather than making a balanced and enjoyable game
A balanced and enjoyable game will bring in more new players and retain current players.

When this happens, they Sell More Shit.

Not that fucking hard to understand.

>>52273566
>A balanced and enjoyable game
these two things are not lnked

>>52268411
It's so cheery, what the fuck?

>>52273604
A balanced game isn't inherently enjoyable, but one that imbalanced as hell is sure hard to find enjoyable.

>>52273604
The game will be either balanced or dead. The question is whether the game company does the balancing or they offload it onto their playerbase.

>>52271683
>I've seen at least a couple of people bitching about Gilly coming back in the past few weeks, all along the lines of "hope and understanding? In MY 40k?"
Well the basic concept isn't automatically bad the way they've done it is just idiotic. Why does one of the imperium's most famous heroes suddenly love xenos now? What in the fuck happened?

>>52273738
Simply untrue, look at 40k, most 40k games play without house rules
>>52273706
personal choice 40k is unbalanced as hell, but great fun IMO

>>52273788
Or that he magically understood black guys are the bad guys...
Wait a fucking second did GW made a joke about blacks being criminals?

>>52273801
>Simply untrue, look at 40k, most 40k games play without house rules
I am unfamiliar with your meta but in mine there are very firm standards for what is and is not considered fair. These soft bans are all over my area, and vary wildly between groups to boot.

>>52273833
>soft bans are all over my area,
This.
A player that fields a WAAC list, won't get many games in.

>>52273907
Yeah, that's my point. Players have taken it upon themselves to dictate what is and is not permissible in the game because GW won't.

>>52273833
One thing is saying drop the Objective that can't be accomplish because it is impossible, like killing a Psyker when there isn't one to kill.

And other thing altogether is to change the rules because they are broken as fuck.

>>52272724
not for long famalam. They just price fixed that discount. Anyone caught giving more than 15 precent is booted from distribution. Though companies can still do things like give you rewards points for buying from them for discounts on other purchases.

>>52273801
>40k is unbalanced as hell, but great fun IMO
You've obviously never played Orks or Nids vs Tau or Eldar

I play 40k, I enjoy modeling my Orks. However, actually playing the game isn't that fun, it ends up being a few hours of watching my shit get ripped apart.

>>52274032
Every time I face Eldar or Tau is just boring.

I'm glad the fucks are reducing their broken shit in numbers because everyone got tired of their waacfagging in non tournament games.

But the fucks insist on using every card in the Objective deck. Oh wow sure is fun to draw impossible to accomplish objectives after another because LOL THAT IS HOW THE RANDUM GAME IZ.
Then hear the fucks bitch and moan about my two decent units for the entire game.

Fucking waacfags ruined 40k

>>52274032
i main orks, and dabble with nids, trust me, i have had my fair share of tau and eldar
it just makes the winning all the sweeter

>>52268544
>Ork Hunters.
Awwwww yisssssssss.

>>52270031
>£80
Dropped.

>>52270189
>I'm hoping lots of people buy it for the terrain So can pick up a book cheap .
No-one is buying that for just the terrain, and no-one is buying it for just the models.
I don't think you're saving all that much when it gets to eBay re-seller costs.

>>52271081
>It's hard to fathom that they don't update core units though since you are required to take basic infantry in almost every army.
I too have never undestood this.
Yes, the wanky special units look sexy and all, but when you learn you need ninety baseline troops produces in 2001, no-one gets excited.

>>52272116
Have they been actively avoiding all marketing data since 2000?

>>52273286
>My personal theory after dealing with GW all over the world is that they think the world works like the UK.
They almost certainly do.

>>52274081
>Oh wow sure is fun to draw impossible to accomplish objectives
My meta has a rule-of-thumb that we go by. If the objective is literally impossible (ex: kill a psyker when there are no pskyers) you can discard it and draw a new one.

>>52274429
Yah my meta does too, but for some reason the Tau players are against that. Why? I have no idea.

>>52274215
>it just makes the winning all the sweeter

>get kicked in the junk every day by someone
>that one day he misses and hits your thigh instead is all the sweeter

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>>52274573
I'm an ork player, bull busting is clearly my fetish

>>52273286
>is that they think the world works like the UK.

Anon, that's just the British in general.

>>52274370
>Have they been actively avoiding all marketing data since 2000?

They used to be, until Roundtree came in and told everybody how incredibly stupid that is to do as a company.