Looking for a good, simple d20 system My group started with

>>52245465
I really like Shadows of the Demon Lord. It's a pretty simple system. You roll a d20 and add your modifier from one of the four stats (modifier= stat-10) and if you beat 10, you succeed. You can get bane (bad) or boon (good) dice added to the roll for difficulty or other modifiers. The way they work is you roll a number of d6s equal to high many bane/boons your dm says you get for the roll, take the highest result from those dice and add/subtract it to the result (based on whether you rolled boons or banes). They also cancel eachother out.

And that's pretty much it. The leveling system is kind of cool too. There are 10 levels and you start at level 0. After your first adventure you pick a novice career (warrior, magician, priest, rogue) and get stuff from that. Then as you level up you pick another career in a new tier based on your first one (so a magician can specialize into a warlock, wizard, witch, or sorcerer). Then later there is one more (so your magician-warlock might become a Demon binder or some shit)

The setting is a generic grimdark fantasy setting, but it's kind of in the background and not too important. It wouldn't be hard to swap it for just about anything else.

I'm a little drunk, so sorry if that description sucked.

>>52245465

Truth told, no. The things that are going to make a game hold together long-term all cost complexity. You're going to have to take the hit on one side or the other.

If you want to roll your own look at Fudge/Fate. If you want to bounce from simple system to simple system changing them as they get stale look into indy games like Dogs in the Vineyard and Microscope. If you want a playable but limited d20 get the free 5e Basic Rules/SRD stuff and play it. If you find you need more options than that get the PHB.

http://5esrd.com/

http://dnd.wizards.com/articles/features/basicrules

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>>52245465
> Good, simple, d20
You want 5e. Here's the mega with rules for 5e. It's all there, it's all very simple to learn, and it's all free.
https://mega.nz/#F!z8pBVD4Q!UIJWxhYEWy7Xp91j6tztoQ!jx4xzAYC

Here's a site with every player resource gathered in one place, it also has monsters, gear and an encounter builder.
https://5egmegaanon.github.io/5etools/classes.html#Artificer%20(UA),

Visit us at /5eg/
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>>52245465
haha
>good
>simple
>d20
pick two

Why not check out an OSR system?

>>52212965

Rules are simple and cross-compatible, plus you have everything from fighting dragons in dungeons to piloting starfighters in space.

>>52247239
Sounds like garbage to be honest.

>>52247258
>>52247345
> playing 5e

It's complete shit. Bounded accuracy means your character only improved by 20% at what he is supposed to do. Fighters only get 20% better at hitting by 20th level. Why? Because Merals cannot balance for crap. The fun of a low-level monster hitting you is quickly replaced by the ""fun"" of never improving, being essentially stuck in one archetype, boring feats and lack of interesting builds outside multiclassing. It doesn't even have the old school feel of D&D. It is essentially 4e with hit dice and smaller numbers. Oh and hit dice make you heal now because apparently that's easier than debuffing / removing wands of cure light wounds, now healing has to be overly structured like the crappy video game that D&D has become.

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>>52247394
>It is essentially 4e with hit dice and smaller numbers.
Okay, that's a new one.

>>52245465

The 5e shills are misleading you. The game isn't as complex as Pathfinder, but is VASTLY closer to Pathfinder than it is to Lasers and Feelings.

If you're looking for something less complex than DnD you could try Savage Worlds. It's still more complex than L&F though.

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>>52247486

So long as it can be engaging for multiple sessions, and isn't going to overwhelm or burn out our still newish DM and some of our equally newish players, that's my main concern

>>52247440
> second wind
> fighters spend resources because LMAO EVERYONE SHOULD BE A CASTER
> healing surges are back
> action surge for fighters because martials should only be able to do cool things once per day
> everything is damage damage damage
> monsters have way too many fucking hit points

Yeah sounds a lot like 4e to me. Except with shitty hit dice and shitty vancian casting.

Fuck 5e, and 4e. And 3.5 for that matter but the difference is that people still advise 5e as a good system when it's a pile of horse crap.

>>52247703
What's your favorite edition and why?

>>52247525
I recommend Savage Worlds, although /tg/ seems to like shitting on it. There's a lot you can do with it, it's relatively rules light, and it's fun. You may have to homebrew some stuff since it's really modular, but that's again relatively simple.

What ever you do, don't fall for the 5e meme.

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>>52247703
Yeah, none of this shit is even remotely accurate. But it does remind me of something recent.

>>52245465
Just play a TSR edition and become a better human being.

Also Stars Without Number is sci-fi d20 that is very good. And Mutant Future is d20 and is post-apoc except 80s movie and not fallout-cloney.

>>52247703
As we all know, Barbarians are spellcasters in 3.5.

>>52247728
>Savage Worlds
That looks pretty promising, is there a mega link for it?

>>52247967
Yeah rage is shit but at least it makes sense because you get tired as fuck after raging. Rage should have been a straight + to strength and - to AC, maybe a -4. Fuck this marking off bookkeeping shit. If a martial has a 1/day ability it better be fucking interesting because otherwise there is no fucking excuse for me to mark up my character sheet.

>>52247724
> which piece of shit out of the pile of shit is your favorite.

>>52247728
> savage worlds
> exploding dice
> le dagger oneshots a dragon meme
> aiming a shotgun auto-hits
> bennies so no one has to fail a roll
> ending sessions early to hack bennies
> basically the 15 minute adventuring day on steroids
> scoped 3 round burst rifle aimed gets +6 to hit
> wild die tacked on because core mechanic is bullshit

Nope, Savage Worlds is crap.

> There's a lot you can do with it

This is also true of GURPS.

> it's relatively rules light,

This is also true of Dungeon World.

> and it's fun

This means nothing. Fun is meaningless in the context of game design, or choosing a system. It's a nonce word.

> You may have to homebrew some stuff since it's really modular, but that's again relatively simple.

Translation: the system is shit and you have to houserule stuff just for it to function. Also bullshit like an AK-47 dealing more damage than an M1 Garand despite firing a far less powerful cartridge. Go fuck yourself Savage Worlds. Not to mention armor that literally negates the armor penetration of a FUCKING .50 CAL RIFLE and makes the wearer unkillable except via headshot.

The game is such garbage I cannot believe they chose to use it to reboot Rifts. Such a great setting wasted on a fucking TRAINWRECK of a game.

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>>52249840
> le dagger oneshots a dragon meme
There is no creature alive that can't be brought down with a well placed stab of a dagger. It happens, get over it.
> aiming a shotgun auto-hits
Not strictly true.
> bennies so no one has to fail a roll
> ending sessions early to hack bennies
> basically the 15 minute adventuring day on steroids
There is literally nothing wrong with bennies
> scoped 3 round burst rifle aimed gets +6 to hit
Yes. And?
> wild die tacked on because core mechanic is bullshit
Literally what? That's like saying attack bonus is tacked on attack rolls, because the base mechanic is shit. Of course any system falls apart if you're going to arbitarily remove mechanics from it.
>This means nothing. Fun is meaningless in the context of game design, or choosing a system. It's a nonce word.
Pic related. Reminded me of that.
>Translation: the system is shit and you have to houserule stuff just for it to function.
No you colossal moron, where the hell did you pull that one out of? Jesus Christ, what the hell is wrong with you people.