That guy/That GM thread.

>>52234786
That's a bit fucked but not quite to That GM levels. Did you tell him to chill out with that shit at all?

>>52234807
Oh yes. Which got a "Well, you lost. You're supposed to get a shitty ending."

>>52234909
"We're here to have fun, dude. Chill out with that shit, it's weird."

Seriously, I get that most folks don't like stirring up interpersonal conflict but trust me when I say it's better to just nip that shit in the bud as soon as you can in a reasonable manner. If the dude's acting like a dick then tell him, he's probably not gonna figure it out himself.

>>52234786
If you didn't want your wife to get raped, you should have tried harder to win. That's how it goes in real life.

>>52235007

this

>Get invited by some friends to play with a group online
>Forever GM twists the 40k setting so that his gmpc is the most badass, coolest guy ever, also has a gmpc little sister who is an imperial noble who can apparently order anyone to do anything
>constantly gets smashed drunk while we're playing, several sessions end with him literally passing out at his computer and we have to remind him what happened last time
>eventually lets another play gm
>before the end of the first session he decides he doesn't want to be the player, he wants to be the GM and, by his own admission, intentionally stops roleplaying and tries to actively sabotage the game
>eventually passes out during a session, we continue playing without him.
>this results in his special little sister character getting knocked out and losing an arm, overall a minor thing in 40k
>he comes back next time and finds out, just leaves and then deletes the community dropbox folder we were using to share sheets

The group died after that

Bonus round, though not related to him being "that gm"
>he runs a business where he buys things from comiket and sells them to weebs
>while at comiket he gets smashed and ends up leaving $300 of loli porn he bought for his one collection on the train
>it ends up getting taken and he files a police report, reports it as loli porn.

>>52235088
"for his own collection"
I fucked that up a bit.

>>52235007
>>52235020
Once again proving that /tg/ stands for That Guy.

>>52234786

My GM fucking sucks. Every week he makes some excuse about why he wasn't able to prep much, he questions the intention and wording of the simplest rules, and loves to derail the momentum of the game to talk about Star Trek episodes no one else at the table has seen.

>>52235306
You realize the obvious solution is to start running your own game, because it couldn't possibly be any worse, and will eventually be much better?

Unless you're just incredibly lazy.

So tell me guys if this seems weird to any of you...

>get invited to join "5e kind of" campaign
>was described as using 5e as the base rules in a homebrew campaign
>get real excited, haven't placed a PC in forever
>have an idea of character I want to play going into creation (int rogue, arcane trickster)

>get to DM's house for character creation
>DM tells us we can only use certain classes
>includes most base classes, but combines all arcane casters (except bards) into a new class called "mage"
>um...okay
>also includes artificer
>"from unearthed arcana?" I ask
>"Um, I guess so, i'm not really sure what unearthed arcana is" he replies

>tell him about character idea
>he says it's cool, but I can't take arcane trickster
>have to start out with thief archetype, then "move into arcane trickster" through some unspecified process
>other player making a bard, wants to use college of swords from unearthed arcana
>"Oh yeah, that sounds cool, go for it!"

>also limits races
>unusual mix, includes things from elemental evil (aasimar, tritons, etc.) but not gnomes or halfings
>was kinda hoping I could play a gnome for that int bonus, but...elves are cool I guess
>tell him i'm ready to roll stats

>has us use online sheet which has a button to roll random base stats
>doesn't want us to roll dice because "I can roll dice and have it land on what I want, and if I can do it, other people can do it"
>"Okay, can we at least rearrange the scores we get, so I don't get stuck with a low-dex rogue?"
>"Nope! If you roll low, that's what you get! You'll have to roleplay around it."
>"Really? Can I pick my class and race after, then?"
>"Nope, gotta pick those first. But if you pick half-elf, you can pick which stat you boost after you roll"
>gee thanks
>end up rolling lucky anyways, so keep going

(cont)

>>52235506
(pt 2)
>sets up setting, gives us an intro
>he asks us questions, and at the end he gives us a title, cantrip, and spell for our character
>the bard gets "once per battle, whatever you say happens" for cantrip
>I get "once per battle, anything I say crumbles"
>no further explanation, says we can use it however we want
>btw, if you use it, you'll fight really hard stuff that might kill you
>can we use it subtly?
>nope, if you use it, everyone knows about it automatically
>great, so if we use it at all, we get killed. good to know
>the bard's special cantrip replaced one of her starting cantrips

So yeah. Unclear class rules, strange and restrictive character creation, stupidly broken cantrips that fuck us if we ever use them
Also, the lore of the world as he built it required six PCs total. He only ever planned to have at most five players (because he has a habit of playing a PC in his campaigns. no, not NPC, a PC). At the time we made characters, we were looking at 3 players. Also, he only explained the crucial lore of the world which would set us on our main quest to the bard in secret, despite it being integral to how we found ourselves all together to start with.

>>52234956
"we failed our quest miserably, dooming our city to destruction"

"lol we're just here for fun tho bro, why you taking it so srsly its just a game"

People like you ruin the hobby.

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>>52235573
>People like you ruin the hobby.

is this a new meme? im assuming its bait but lets settle down here

>>52235573
"You did poorly, so obviously your entire family gets raped."

This is your idea of good storytelling. People like you ruin the hobby.

>>52235230
That wasn't nearly That Guy territory.
Little bit weird yes but nothing more.

>Playing Pathfinder
>Playing Gunslinger
>party gets ambushed by mercenaries
>Mercenary attack dogs circle around the group and go straight for me, the only ranged character
>both in character and out of character I ask the party's tank to protect me from the dogs while I shoot the slow moving enemies.
>He thinks for a moment, scratching his chin
>"oh... uh... my character has his helmet on so he can't hear you"
>and then he runs off to fight the enemy boss in melee while I, the ranged character who CANNOT into melee combat must fight two war dogs in melee.
>"Dude, what the fuck?!"
>"Hey, it's what my character would do. He's wearing a helmet so he can't hear you calling him."
>"We established two sessions ago that your character doesn't wear a helmet because he doesn't want to hide his face from the enemy."
>"Oh... yeah... um... he changed his mind and bought one."
>"Something you never mentioned doing."
>"Yeah," he replies, as I watch him pull up the equipment list on his phone, search for the price of a helmet, and then quickly subtract that from his gold.

Story I posted on a similiar a few days back.

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1SbxQFMfQiMUAu12_j5qOSJNZqExOkWy0L43TzzSU-6A/edit?usp=sharing

>>52236054
What an asshat.

>>52235907
to most people it was that guy territory mang. a vivid description of your wife being raped by a zombie is in poor taste. More so if you did not set the expectations appropriately in regards to that sort of content.

>>52236054
So what'd you do to get ire from the melee fighter? In other words, tell us the full story.

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>>52235007
this guy is a dick
but he's right

>>52235573
nah, people that play games for fun are why the hobby persists.
Sperglords that enjoy rape-endings are not numerous enough to keep a hobby alive,

>>52235306
I know people who are like this about everything, not just games.

They are difficult to deal with in anything more than small doses.

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>join a dark heresy game
>essentially warhammer 40k rpg but you play as the bad guys because edgy
>talk to dm he seems okay says this will be a continuation of an old story
>cool so he has experience
>says he had players just up and leave
>figure it was just unreliable people on roll20
>mistakesweremade.jpeg
>party consist of khorn melee marine, preachy chaos marine, alpha legion sneaky marine, one human fighter, the dmpc gurl who can do anything...and me
>figure the team has no utility or magic so go idolotrix magos because it gets both
>the shitshow begins

>>52235573
>The characters lost
>better force them into my magical realm and tell them all about how their family got horribly raped in the end
>this is good storytelling
I hope you choke on a dick and die

>>52235007
>telling people to be murderhobos
I hope you get papercuts all over your hands before you fall into a tub of alcohol.

>>52235020
I hope you experience an excruciating amount of pain equal to when you walk on one hundred miles of legos barefoot without a rest.

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>>52236267
>says i cant use demon organ mutation to increase willpower or he'd treat it like possesion
>okay cool plot point
>um...no just put it to strength
>have to droppod onto some planet to corrupt it
>i want to inspect the drop pod
>seems okay
>i wanna interface with it
>no you cant
>yes i can nigga i got the implant and everything
>machine spirit is acting weird
>i want to try to fix it
>wont let me
>figure whatever maybe thats just how chaos machine spirits are
>nope
>thing fucking malfunctions mid fall
>try to interface again
>you cant you arent strong enough to plug yourself in
>thats what the giant robot claw is for
>says i cant do it
>whatever
>after crash landing i try to inspect it
>says it's danbgleing on a cliff
|>i pull it back
>you arent strong enough
>maybe not alone but between the superhuman my super arm i can
>no it just falls
>whatever
it gets better

>>52235907
I second what >>52236129 said. It is a magical realm and shouldn't be done unless you know the players have an NTR and a Bad ending fetish. Most people do not.

>>52236316
>during warp shenanigans chaos preachy marine loses hand
>we infiltrate human military world
>they give him a whole new cybernetic arm, best quality in space marine size
>on a planet with no space marines
>can i get some tech? we dark mechanicus love us some robot parts
>nope
>well we are on a military base can i get some useful gear for our upcoming mission?
>no
>other marine asks for a 2 handed (by space marine standards) chainsword
>they have one lying around
this is when i realized why people just blocked and never talked to this guy ever again and i did the same.

>>52236235
>this guy is a dick
That's an understatement, really.

>>52236316
>says it's dangling off a cliff
>i pull it back
sorry im drunk

>>52235088
He doesn't seem too smart of a guy. Is he alcoholic?

I feel like GMs that insert some kind of pet characters in their stories/worlds are always bad news. Why is it necessary, because they never can take it when the character dies and most of the time it's just matter of time.

I remember one guy killing a elf assassin girl that attacked the party and the GM got really mad and kicked the guy out. The GMs girlfriend told that apparently the "Kiaran" or whatever the name was, was the GMs character from somewhere else originally, ehich he inserts into every game somehow.

>>52236350
At least now you know and will act accordingly. So that's good!

>>52236383
This was a few years ago but the group was pretty much in universal agreement that he is an alcoholic. And no, he isn't that smart. He had a job selling cable for commission and genuinely believed it when they told him he could make 80k a year with little effort.

>>52236167
The guy in question was a roll-player who basically didn't pay attention to the game if he wasn't stabbing someone. Ignoring the needs of the group in order to satisfy his murder-boner was pretty typical behaviour for him, this is just the first time it actually got another PC killed.

>>52236054
>next night
>kill him in his sleep
"He tried to have me killed last fight, I can't risk that."

>>52236295
>trying hard to save your home city from demonic invasion
>murderhobo
Oh wow.

>>52236422
This is anecdotal, I want your inner personal interaction. Did you take something that he wanted? Did you kill something he wanted to kill? Are you annoying at the table? You just give the end result of your and his encounter, a "lalalala I can't see you getting stabbed" doesn't just fall from the sky for no reason.

>>52236469
>if you didn't want to have your loved ones raped, you shouldn't have loved ones
You really do need to have everything pointed out to you, don't you? Because you are just another brainless retard

>>52235088
>>he comes back next time and finds out, just leaves
...and nothing of value was lost

>and then deletes the community dropbox folder we were using to share sheets
almost nothing.


>>52235506
>>"Nope! If you roll low, that's what you get! You'll have to roleplay around it."
>>"Really? Can I pick my class and race after, then?"
>>"Nope, gotta pick those first.
I'm not saying that the other stuff isn't bad, weird, or stupid, but this alone is enough for me to thank him for his time but politely decline and leave immediately.
This is as bad as spending 45-60 minutes crafting a character and then rolling to see if they survive to the beginning of the game.
Just walk away from this level of stupidity.

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>>52234786
>Caring about your fake characters fake wife in your short 2 shot adventure

Its time to step back and reevaluate your life anon.

>>52236496
So what's wrong with having loved ones and defeating the bad guys?

>>52236478
The implication wasn't that he wanted anon to get torn up by dogs, but that he'd rather try to solo the boss than be a team player.
Ulterior animosity is not a necessary motivation for the story he told.

>>52236409
What, like a telemarketer?

OY!

>>52236496
>>if you didn't want to have your loved ones raped, you shouldn't have loved ones
he said:
>>52235007
>you should have tried harder to win.
not
>you shouldn't have loved ones

>>52236581
>So what's wrong with having loved ones and defeating the bad guys?
He was saying that's what you should do, but he was reading too much into it.

Saying: "You shoulda tried harder" to a guy who just had his wife raped by a zombie is a tad harsh, but then, that's the joke.

Am I the only one sober tonight?

>>52236628
Pretty much.

>>52236409
>He had a job selling cable for commission and genuinely believed it when they told him he could make 80k a year with little effort.
In his defense, it is entirely possible to do just that.
In the same way that it is entirely possible to meet a solid 10 girl who sexes, loves, then marries you by playing D&D.

>>52236590
>The implication wasn't that he wanted anon to get torn up by dogs, but that he'd rather try to solo the boss than be a team player.

this
some people are too autistic to work as a group
example:
gods of the fallen 1 shot
>slaver bust into bar we like
>try to rough up owner
>i play a god of war
>reason that i like beer and this bar so i want to defend the owner
>other 3 dont and just want to leave
>can tell this is part of the planned game and dont want to mess up DM's story
>goad them to confront slavers
>party face sweet talks slaver boss and gets to leave
>i start to fight, one shot some goon
>other two dive behind bar
>i am now soloing gang boss and one lackey
>little help?
>one guy is making molotov cocktails
the other is doing something stupid with spells
>grappled by boss and being puched by other slaver
>one idiot starts a fire
>other idiot makes it worse
>barley beat up slaver and boss
>idiot number 1 trys to kill steal and fails>other idiot doesnt even try to put out fire
>kill gang leader and tie up other 2 goons befor putting out fire
> idiots 1 and 2 want to murder slavers because they are autistic edgelords
>i dont let them, tell the goons they work for bar owner until she can fix the place up and never bother her again
>whining ensues

sad part?
im 24
edge lords 1 and 2 are both over 30

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>party of level one adventurers starting out in a small town
>GM tells us were we start but no other info on what kind of game it is
>a few members decide to all be merchants
>other party members are guards
>excited for sandbox CAPITALISM HO adventurers raiding ruins and selling the stuff we find
>first session we come back from the goblin fight and find out the town is gone
>all the towns are gone
>a demon wiped out all civilization except for the capital city while we were in the cave
>GET ON THE FUCKING RAILROAD YOU GUYS ARE THE CHOSEN HEROES DESPITE BEING LEVEL 1
>CHOO CHOO, NEXT STOP EXPOSITION-VILLE

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>>52236659
>Expecting your DM to run your autistic accounting sim every week

The DM needs to have fun too.

>>52236659
You still can be a group of merchants in that one big city.

>>52236683
The one remaining city was a theocracy where the god king controlled everything and there was no money. The only other group left outside that was the band of chaos worshiping communists that also don't believe in money.

>>52236681
the point is that he signed off on this concept. We asked him if this was okay and then he shot it down in the first session for a super railroad plot.

>>52236659
This is why you insist on session zero so everyone can talk about their expectations, what the players want to see, what sort of game the GM wants to run, and everyone can make a group of characters together that fits appropriately.

>Playing dnd 5th edition
>Friendo is wizard
>GM has hard on for taking wizards down a notch apparently
>During fight with a governor that the DM obviously wants us to work for
>Problem is we know for a fact this guy is a slaver and is possibly selling children
>We're all some variant of good alignments, with some interpersonal disagreements about how to be good for character interaction but nobody is willing to engage in fucking CHILD SLAVERY
>We fight the governors bodyguards, not doing too bad
>Wizard's turn rolls around
>"Magic missile at the guard closest to anon"
>rolls an 18
>"It doesn't work."
>"What? His armor class can't be that high, the rogue hit him on like an 11."
>'No, your magic just doesn't work"
>Wizard is confused
>"Is there an anti-magic artifact in the room I didn't sense before? Because I have detect magic for a reason-"
>"no your magic just failed. You know, magic doesn't follow rules, it's fickle. So your spells aren't working. Next-"
>Paladin buts in
>"Wait wait, his magic just stops?"
>"No, it's just not working."
>Paladin and Rogue proceed to explain how magic is tied to the world itself and is not something that just doesn't work without a reason
>DM essentially says
>"This is my world and I say magic just doesn't work sometimes. Anyone who disagrees can leave."
>Me and wizard leave, Paladin started packing up, DM starts ranting about how magic is the reason we're leaving and thus is not important in DnD

Wasn't a regular DM, was a friend of a friend who seemed nice enough up until now.
I DM'd a sessions right after that and just made my Barbarian an NPC they could go back and talk with. Things worked out after that so not a total loss.

>>52236657
>>one idiot starts a fire
>>other idiot makes it worse
This whole fight just sounds more like average stupid adventurers

>idiot number 1 trys to kill steal
This makes it sound like you care about kill stealing in a group bar brawl in an ttrpg one shot, which is not a good look.

>>52236659
>>52236700
>not getting strong through the main story and killing the god king so that you can reinstate a currency system and become merchants again

>>52236632
If you abuse the NPCs beloved by the party, especially in a gruesome fashion, they will just make orphans with no ties at all for the mext games.

>>52236710
It's always wonderful to see people who, after decades of Magic Missile, still don't know that magic missile doesn't need an attack roll. And never has. Shit story is shit.

>>52236710
Fake story. You don't roll anything to cast Magic Missile other than damage.

If you didn't put the "rolls an 18" part I might have bought into it but fake and gay.

>>52236700
>and there was no money.
Wait. Every city and village used money, except the capital? Is that possible?
>>52236737
>This makes it sound like you care about kill stealing in a group
I interpeted the sentence as "guys intention was the kill steal", so he desribed it as that.

>>52236743
Okay I guess I'll elaborate on what happened after that point then.

>we get to the main city and find out its' a crap hole
>one player had a backstory tied to it but all his family members died somehow because the DM didn't read it and didn't want to deal with it
>god king jerkface who none of us agree with reveals that the demon was targeting him specifically and everyone else just got killed in the crossfire
>god king is powerful enough to solve everything but instead tells the group of level 2's to kill the demon instead
>yes the demon who just burned down ever building on the continent in a giant flaming murderorgy
>so we go on his stupid quest to a hidden wizard tower and find a time machine
>great! We'll go back to before the world burned the fuck down and fix this mess!
>nope, the time machine can only be used "selflessly" or so the inscription claims
>nothing more selfless than saving the world right?
>NOPE, Paladin tries to use the machine, DM says he is consumed by arcane fire and explodes, no save, you are dead
>the only acceptable use of the time machine is to take it to god king jerkface so he can use it win a fight with the leader of the communists in order to steal his magic murder jewel
>selflessly
>now God King Jerkface is double god with the power to be invincible and also kill anything and travel through time, still doesn't want to fix the world because everyone that died wasn't part of his religion so he says they deserve it
Everyone pretty much lost interest at that point

>>52236397
Good read. This is the kind of shit I wish my games got onto.

>>52236782
The capital city was basically just a huge temple to the god king that was inside a magic dome and didn't give a fuck about anyone outside it, the slums outside the city all got obliterated and everything that was left was 100% loyal to the god king and nobody was willing to pay for anything, they just seized our goods.

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>That player
>Argues with every NPC
>Makes stupid jokes during important discussions with powerful people such as kings/crime bosses/high priests
>Gets salty when NPCs react
>"hey I was just joking"
>He's a bard
>Will spend half of combat hiding behind walls because "his character wouldn't fight"
>Only uses spells and no weapons
>Has only taken one offensive spell, lightning bolt
>Won't use things like fly, in case he gets attacked and loses concentration
>Last week
>"I want to prepare a spell and hold it as an aciton"
>"Ok what spell"
>"I'm not going to tell you, I'm trying to trick the DM so he won't counter it"
>"...you can't do that"

I'm thinking up a way to really smack him down, but he might quit the game over it.

>>52236755
Which is a fine point to make, but you replied to a guy commenting on the tenacity, or possibly skill, of the players.
He said "Try harder!" and you responded "This is why we can't have nice things!"
It's a bit of a disconnect because you're actively ignoring his message to focus on his complicit acceptance of NPC abuse, which as I said, seemed to me to intended humorously.

>>52236796
>but he might quit the game over it.

Yeah that sounds like a real fuckin' loss.

>>52236796

If he's not participating in combat, then why is he an adventurer? If his character is a coward, then fuck, he could do basket weaving instead of exploring tombs, dungeons, and slaying creatures.

>>52235551
>he asks us questions, and at the end he gives us a title, cantrip, and spell for our character

...can I ask what a couple of the titles were?

Because I think I know what is going on here.

>>52236793
>everything that was left was 100% loyal to the god king
Did anyone bought even for a second, that said genocide was done by a demon and not by homicidal godking for absolute reign?

>>52236807
Its a group of close friends who do everything together. But I'm almost willing to burn some bridges.
>>52236811
He might just be committed to the roleplay. He's been less autistic with other characters.

>>52236823
I dunno man, if it was then it was still a really shitty boring plot. He kept on having to come up with excuses since he wanted us to go do stuff but had established that fucking everyone was dead.

So somehow the communists were still around and a goblin cave kept us alive, but being under a fucking mountain couldn't save the dwarves.

>>52236852

Right, but if his character is not willing to fight, then why is this character an adventurer? It's nice to roleplay, but certain character archetypes do not fit well into an adventurer role.

>>52236861
I had a fun Battlemaster/Bard character who used all his actions doing support stuff but never actually fought people himself.

>>52236861
Well you can be motivated by a lot of things other than fighting, maybe you really want those treasures and have a lot of skills to offer but know you can't fight for your life and would rather stay alive to live another day ?

>>52235007
By that logic the DM running a medieval fantasy game could have a PC contract a gross STD and describe the warts it makes on the character's dick because that's how it would have gone if it was real life.

Let's be real anon. Rape is a touchy subject. It will make people uncomfortable or downright grossed out, especially if it comes out of left field. If you cannot tell the "clarify whether rape and other mature themes will be involved in a campaign" convention exists, or why it exists, I feel sorry for you.

(Also, the DM used rape to get a cheap, easy emotional reaction out of the player. It's like introducing a cute kid with the express purpose of having the bad guy kill him off. Angst for the sake of angst is the greasy, unappealing junk food of storytelling.)

I know you're just baiting, I just think someone else with come along and spark an interesting conversation eventually.

>>52234786
So what qualifies someone of being THAT GUY?

>>52236865

For sure, but you were engaged in combat. My bard is doing the same thing. I think my last session was the first time that I actually did direct damage to anyone (excepting wand of magic missile). Fucking solo'd a sorc with a cestus.

>>52236870
Sure, I can see that. But perhaps the risk is too great for this character for the reward. I could jump in front of a car and get a massive payout on a lawsuit, but I don't do it because it's too fucking risky. I don't try to smuggle drugs across the boarder because it's too fucking risky, even if I could be paid a million bajillion dollars for it.

A skilled person would be able to make a considerable, comfortable living doing what they are good at. Perhaps they could be a paid-for-resource for adventurers? Perhaps some adventures have discovered some ruins, and exchange for some gold, the person identifies religions, words, etc.

>>52236892
If they want to have fun at everyone else's expense, they are that guy. That includes people who don't realize that the way they have fun ruins the game for the rest of the players. Or who realize but do not care.

>>52236891
>STD

Cured with paladins lay on hands. Or any basic healing spell.

>infected cut
>no worries
>healing word

I know it's boring, that's why I resort to things like breaking a players back and requiring high level regenerate

>>52236911
Healing word heals wounds, not sickness and diseases.

>>52236526
For your next trick, go to /fit/ and tell them to stop caring about protein.

>>52236891
Either everything is okay or nothing is, in my rulebook.

>So you guys just butchered like fifty "bad guys" in cold blood
>btw rape is real in this fantasy setting

OH MY GOOOOOOOOOOOOD HE BROUGHT UP RAPE

RAPE IS WORSE THAN MURDER

IT IS TOUCHY

People get raped. People get killed too. If you can't handle rape being mentioned in a game where you stick your sword through someone's guts, I don't want you at my table.

>>52236911
If there is a Paladin in the party with a player who likes to try and sleep with bar wenches at every tavern I will absolutely give them an STD.

The resulting conversation where they have to ask the Paladin to... lay hands on the problem area is always worth it.

>>52236892
That's a very broad term, like Mary Sue.

>>52236782
>I interpreted the sentence as "guys intention was the kill steal", so he described it as that.
Yeah, I wan't sure, I could see it both ways.

>>52236920
Mentioning rape and describing it in excruciating details are two different things.

>>52236923
The one time one of my players wanted to fuck a bar wench I gave them an std. It was a girl, I gave her herpes.

The second time, I made them dopplegangers and the player nearly died and was almost replaced. It was funny because the other players refused to metagame and couldn't tell the difference.

>>52236934
I'll agree with you there, but no where in the OP did he mention that his GM spent half an hour explaining how the zombie's rotten mushy dick was all up in and around his PC's wife and that the GM unzipped and started to rub one out during the table.

>>52236681
I am aroused by you gif. Thank you for posting that.

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>>52236796
>>Will spend half of combat hiding behind walls because "his character wouldn't fight"
>>52236811
>If he's not participating in combat, then why is he an adventurer?
>>52236852
>He might just be committed to the roleplay
>>52236861
>then why is this character an adventurer?
>>52236870
>you can't fight for your life and would rather stay alive to live another day ?
>>52236895
>A skilled person would be able to make a considerable, comfortable living doing what they are good at.
Listen to the guy saying the character should be able to contribute to combat in a combat heavy game.
Players like this need to read pic related.

>I'm thinking up a way to really smack him down, but he might quit the game over it.
God knows that talking to him like a rational, mature human being isn't an option.
That'd be communication.
We can't have that.

Yesterday i had to explain close to seven times to one of my players what the magic item I gave him did

not quite that guy but still irritating none the less

>>52236920
Good. I wouldn't to be at a table with someone like you.

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>>52236996
I know this upsets you

>>52236905
This is correct.

>>52237008
Wrong country bruv. Americans want to fuck themselves that's their business.

>>52236911
Just because it's easy to cure doesn't mean the player wants to hear about the purulent warts on his character's dick; anon.

>>52236920
So what, you don't value the comfort of your players? And you're proud of it?
>I don't want you at your table
I wouldn't sit there even if you paid me. I'm glad I was the one who had a dude with legit PTSD in his previous group and not you.

>>52236129
I dunno, doesn't say "vivid" or in depth anywhere in the OP. just saying "your wife gets raped by a controlled zombie ans you're forced to watch" is just making it sting a bit. Not like he got into detail, right?
R-right?

>>52236970
You are right on that count. But no matter how you spin it
>you fucking lost! And the villain let a rotting undead prick rape your wife, sucker
Is always bad form in RPGs.

>>52237055
With the exception being if it's an ERP and the 'victim' is into cuckoldry. But most people aren't

>>52236796
tell the player about it for fuck's sake. if he ignores you or throws a tantrum, bring it up with the gm. if the gm doesn't care or refuses to take action it's time to salvage what you can and pack up.

>>52237055
regardless of whether it's acceptable, it's definitely shit storytelling, yeah.

>>52236920
Well, if we're gonna have this derail again, let me say that I agree that rape is not necessarily worse than murder, but rape is not in games I run, while murder is.
Yes, it's hypocritical.
I'm fine with that.
I'm not fine with adding rape to my game.
Adding rape only adds rape, nothing more.

I am perfectly fine with you allowing it in your games, and I might not refuse to play in them based solely on that fact.
But I might decline to play in them based on your post.
You seem like a tool from the way you posted, but that's hard to judge fairly based on one post.

>>52236995
Post cards are like 50 for a dollar.
Write it down and give it to him
(or draw crude pictures for him to grunt at)

>>52236129
>>52237054
>>52236970
>no where in the OP did he mention that

>>52234786
>hearing about how his character's wife is raped by a zombie
It depends on how much you interpret "hearing about how"

>>52237036
(Wow, I have no idea how that ">I don't want you at my table" turned into a "my table.)

>>52237070
Having rape in your game is totally fine IMO. But "Nothing can make me uncomfortable and I don't have limits, so obviously no one else should" is a mindset for social retards who struggle with basic empathy.

>>52237036
>legit PTSD

kek

>>52237125
>What is a war vet

>>52237107
>>no where in the OP did he mention that
>>>52234786 (OP)
>>hearing about how his character's wife is raped by a zombie
>It depends on how much you interpret "hearing about how"
I'm going to choose to retain my belief in humanity and interpret it as the DM mentioning it as a side thing.

>>52237085
yeah thinking about it i should've just written it down, i was just thinking that at the third IC explanation and at the second OOC one he would've either understood it or written it down

>>52237118
>But "Nothing can make me uncomfortable and I don't have limits, so obviously no one else should" is a mindset for social retards who struggle with basic empathy

This is where I disagree with you. The argument here is that rape might make someone uncomfortable, so we're not going to include it. But murder might make someone uncomfortable by the same token, so we better not include that either.

And half-orcs must all be the product of loving consensual unions because we don't want to IMPLY rape either.

It's literally a slippery slope. Where do you draw the line? I'd rather just tell players "If you're easily offended, don't join my games" instead of writing up a TRIGGER WARNING LIST that my game MIGHT include rape/murder/etc if it comes up. Just because rape is real in my setting doesn't mean my setting rotates around rape or is rapecentric. But if it would make sense for rape to occur in a scenario, then it should.

>>52237130
Also, "legit" as in diagnosed, in opposition to meaningless tumblr trigger bullshit.

>>52237136
OP said
>because that's apparently how he gets his jollies.
So I'm inclined to believe he went into a little too much detail.
Not that the amount of detail is relevant to this conversation either way.

>>52237130
A welfare queen that willingly went to someone else's country to shoot uneducated mudhut people that aren't invading their country or doing shit.

Unless you had a WW2 vet at your table, your "war vet" player is a faggot.

Rape is tasteless in a roleplaying game. That subject matter is only really tolerated in media and story telling as a visual tool. Nothing about explaining rape is the same as seeing a rape scene. You are not doing the subject matter justice in a way that respects its artistic integrity and thus making players feel weird cause you fucking autists have no chill

>>52237145
>It's literally a slippery slope. Where do you draw the line?
You draw the line at "we're playing a social hobby with our friends and we discuss what we do and do not want to see in the game before we play it so everyone has fun."

>>52237136
>I'm going to choose to retain my belief in humanity
>>52237146
>So I'm inclined to believe he went into a little too much detail.
Shush, let him have his comfortable delusion.

>>52237156
>the artistic integrity of rape

Speak for yourself; we play FATAL once a year for laughs at my table and if we couldn't explain rape, the game just wouldn't function. How else am I going to grow fruits out of my dickpipe?

>>52237170
I play with lots of people that aren't my friends. And the notion of discussing what we don't want to see in the game before we play it is offensive to me - the whole reason I play tabletop RPGs is to be surprised with what I find. If I submitted a laundry list of what I want to see in the game and then sit around waiting for the DM to spoonfeed me things off my list, I wouldn't want to touch the hobby at all.

>>52237145
>Where do you draw the line?

>Hey Mike anything you wouldn't want to see in the campaign
>Nah I'm cool with pretty much anything.
>What about you, Alex?
>Lets not touch on rape, if that's alright.
>How about Ken?
>Ever since the incident I get uncomfortable with spiders, can we not fight spiders?
>Yeah sure we're all mates here so now that I know what not to put in our game we can move forward without issue

What a terrifying slippery slope

>>52237151
You are an idiot that has proclaimed to the world that you know nothing about what you speak.
Congratulations on your achievement.
Have a (You).

>>52237145
> I'd rather just tell players "If you're easily offended, don't join my games"

I'd agree with that. Explaining straight up that some dark or unpleasant stuff might come up before the game even starts is the best way to handle it.

Not every group of players is going to work, and not every type of player has to be catered to at every game. It's like trying to make a band. Some people just won't get along or have very different tastes in music, and that's ok.

>>52237174
nice dewd

>>52237156
Are you telling us that rape in itself has artistic integrity? Because in that case, you must be raping people in some damn elaborate ways.

>>52237185
>And you, Jake?
>I'm not comfortable with males, I identify as xir. I'd appreciate it if none of you rolled up male characters.

Nice strawman. Have one of your own.

>>52237186
>hurr hurr he has an unfavorable opinion of military welfare queens that had zero reason to go to "war" since WW2, what a dummy

>>52237191
No I was strictly referring to it as a concept in art. Not the actual physical action of rape. For example in a game or plot, rape acts as more than just rape. Right? Maybe a motive or character insight.

>>52237185
See people?!
This is what I was talking about!
Communication?!
We can't have that!
NOT ON MY /TG/!!

>>52237185
>I'm not comfortable with murder
>I'm not comfortable with magic, aka Witchraft, praise Jesus
>I'm not comfortable with black people

Your anemic attempt at claiming it isn't a slippery slope only works when you give vanilla/lame examples of things that might be easy to handwave out of the game.

But fuck Ken - I need drows and driders in my game and he can fuck off.

>>52237201
>Maybe a motive or character insight.
More like a cheap way to build sympathy for a female character or animosity toward a male one, but fair enough. Learn2English

>>52237205
His "communication" example only worked out because there was no conflicted in that example at all.

>What'd you make, Ken?
>I made a half-orc barbarian that struggles with his identity
>Alex, why do you look mad?
>I thought we agreed we weren't going to touch on rape at all during this campaign. Can you change it so your half-orc is the product of a willing union and he's super stoked about being a PoC?

>>52237184
>I play with plenty of people who aren't my friends
Probably your first mistake, but that's an entirely different conversation

>If I submitted a laundry list of what I want to see in the game and then sit around waiting for the DM to spoonfeed me things off my list, I wouldn't want to touch the hobby at all
On a certain level I know you have to understand that telling the GM what you want in a game and don't want in a game are two entirely different things. If the "be respectful to other people's comfort when they engage in the escapist hobby they do for fun" angle really doesn't do it for you, it's really no different than respecting a player when they say they want to play a game with pirates or don't want elves in this campaign.

But seriously it's just about being respectful, there's no real reason to intentionally antagonize someone who had the goodwill to explain what makes them uncomfortable before the game starts.

>>52237228
>But seriously it's just about being respectful, there's no real reason to intentionally antagonize someone who had the goodwill to explain what makes them uncomfortable before the game starts.

Until when though? You keep making it sound like it must be something so easy to cater to.

Someone is uncomfortable with spiders, and two of your players wanted to make drow.

Now what? Do you force your players to NOT play drow because someone didn't like it? Do you kick the one guy out of the game for not liking spiders because everyone else is really stoked to do some spider-play?

>>52237145
>Where do you draw the line?
How about where I, the fucking guy that's running fucking game, draw the damn line?
How hard is that?
>Rape is not allowed.
>I don't erp, sorry.
>Sex is okay but we fade to black.
>Horses exist but magical talking ponies do not. No, not a donkey either.
>Violence is fine, but we won't be spending a lot of time on gore.
>No kender.
>Any questions?

>>52237145
That's a pretty big strawman you're responding to.
The argument here is that rape might make someone uncomfortable, so we'll talk about it before the session and see if we include it or not, and we'll ask other players to speak up about things that gross them out.

Nowhere am I saying you should keep anything that might potentially offend someone out of your game because better safe than sorry.

If a player brings up murder or something equally common as something he has a problem with we can either tell him "sorry, you'll need to find another group, we've got conflicting needs" or play something lighthearted. You know. Like adults.

Also, it's totally okay to say "if you're easily grossed out, don't join my games". If you want few/no-limits players only, that's your call. What I'm against is failing to bring it up before the session, and chastising people for having limits.

>>52237156
It just depends on how emotionally mature the group is and how skilled they are at roleplaying IMO. Providing emotional support to a NPC who was raped could make for one of those really good side stories.
Also there's nothing wrong with tasteless rape as long as everyone is okay with it.

>>52237221
In my game that does not include rape, there are still half-orcs.
They might be the product of rape, they might not be.
But if it is rape, we aren't going to be discussing it in the game.
Your mother probably brought your father to orgasmic climax multiple times and will not be discussing it in the game either.

>>52237247

Not the guy you've been responding too, but I would not let it fly. If someone can't handle spiders to that point, I might not play with them, or I would suggest that the other people make different characters (if they also wanted to play with this person).

With what you've suggested, there are two different expectations for the group. It's like one person wants to have a high rp, low combat game and the other two want high combat, low rp.

>>52237207
>>52237221
Okay, but that's exactly the reason why discussing these things beforehand is still a good idea.

If one player is interested in playing a character who struggles with his mother's rape and another player doesn't want to deal with rape at the table, that's inevitably going to cause issue at the table anyway. If the GM is the kind of person why really wants to shoehorn their political issue of choice into their game and you want your games with no politics in them, the disagreement over what you want was going to happen at some point of the game regardless of whether it was talked through.

To take the absolute most extreme strawman of your posts as an example, a player at the table who is uncomfortable with violence, witchcraft, OR black people should voice that before the game starts so that potential impasse is dealt with before it actually interrupts the game.

Speaking up before the game starts either lets you compromise on those things before they ever come up, or say "okay then, this isn't the game for me" right out the gate and find a more appropriate group - which you seem to be forgetting is an entirely appropriate action for any party involved in this situation.

>>52237274
>Speaking up before the game starts either lets you compromise on those things before they ever come up, or say "okay then, this isn't the game for me" right out the gate and find a more appropriate group
This.
See
>>52236520
>this alone is enough for me to thank him for his time but politely decline and leave immediately.

>>52237253
>>52237156
You make a very good point, and I can see the great RP opportunity of of the emotional support. However, I think generally the subject tend to fall short in the long run. If rape is apart of the setting, it should be something players expect, which if it becomes too common can just dull the effect you are going for. Which is why I think its better to just find some other plot element IMO

>>52237269
>It's like one person wants to have a high rp, low combat game and the other two want high combat, low rp.

But this always happens. Always. And people will SAY they want something but actually not, and vice-versa.

>tfw the campaign falls apart, again, because the players change their mind and are really into Naruto/Game of Thrones/current flavor of the month and want to do that now instead

>>52237247
We'll because you're all functional adults capable of conversation you either re-evaluate your plans, your priorities, or acknowledge that not every game will be for everybody and let the odd man out find a different group before they can be a problem player

>>52237274
>>52237285

I wish the players that had content problems were halfway as reasonable as either of you two. Not once ever, have I had a player say "This isn't the game for me then" and offer to leave. Instead, they've always requested/demanded that I avoid subject x/y/z and then throw a fit when I refuse or try to kick them out. I've also been called ableist for giving stat penalties when players lost limbs in game.

I need to move.

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>>52237287
>And people will SAY they want something but actually not, and vice-versa

>>52237287

Sorry that you've had shitty players. Your frustration is understandable.

I know that I've changed my mind midstream in many occasions. It's the players responsibility to say, "You know how I was wanting X. Yeah, it's not quite what I thought it would be." But I own that, not just in games but in my real fucking life.

I hope you find better players (at least, better in that regard, if your current players are quality in other realms).

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>>52236267
>>essentially warhammer 40k rpg but you play as the bad guys because edgy
We know what Dark Heresy is, but are you sure you're not talking about Black Crusade? Or was it Dark Heresy but as Chaos for some reason.

>>52237298
>I've also been called ableist for giving stat penalties when players lost limbs in game.
heh.
Well, I might let the character regain the stat penalty eventually with time and "proper rehab", but yeah that's ridiculous.
Move or something man, damn.

>>52237207
But there's a really easy answer to that anon.
>Okay, but I'm sorry, I'm really looking for a game with combat/magic/black people. Sounds like we can't play together. Have a nice day.

It's a social convention to talk to your other players about what they have an issue with, but it's also a social convention to say "no, sorry" if you can't compromise.
It's only a slippery slope if you're physically unable to say no, in which case you are probably being mind controlled.

>>52237145
Murder is implied by the premise of the game. Rape, not so much.

That said, if you actually say "If you're easily offended, don't join my games", then I don't see why anyone should have a problem with it.

>>52237298
>they've always requested
This I can see.
Push back is expected and some rules can be bent and they won't know unless they try.

>demanded that I avoid subject x/y/z and then throw a fit when I refuse or try to kick them out
The problem here is the quality of the player.
Which is another great reason to talk to them about this before playing

And certainly before letting them into your home, where your books, valuables, and bed where you sleep at night are.
Not that I assume you do that.

>>52236397
You know, this story sounds pretty fishy to me. If he's the good guy then why is he creating all these undead? Why does he have hundreds of shadows trapped in a bag. Why is he a fucking lich?

Sounds to me like Rick was justified in turning the NPCs against him

>>52235551
>because he has a habit of playing a PC in his campaigns. no, not NPC, a PC
That's a big warning sign, especially when combined with strange restrictions on the characters. Probably going to end up as a railroad or the Bard Show with other players as cheerleaders. Still, see the first session and at least you get a funny story to share out of it.

My DM is more interested in creating their homebrew world than creating a fun story for players.

Not sure if it qualifies as "that DM" though.

>>52237140
There's always the chance that you are shit at explaining things, or glossed over certain details.
Especially since, apparently, none of the other players got it either, and couldn't help them.

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>>52236920
>Either everything is okay or nothing is, in my rulebook.
>everything is okay
>>52237145
>It's literally a slippery slope. Where do you draw the line? I'd rather just tell players "If you're easily offended, don't join my games"
I think I know the kind of game you're describing.

>>52235007
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=snl-WsFm-kc
;_;

>>52234786

Would you not be your own master plebs?

I never have a problem with GM because normally it's me.

Easy peasy plebs.

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>>52237520

>>52237447
I've seen it both ways.
Some people can only explain things the way they understand them, not the way the person needs them explained.
I have a nearly perfect memory, but it's mostly visual.
Also, if I don't understand a concept, I have trouble remembering it. Even if it's as simple as touching your nose before drawing a card.
But I've also seen people who literally can't or won't learn.

Plus I know a girl who had bad math skills as a kid then got hit in the head by a motorcycle and can't do basic math like anyone else now.
Tutors up the ass couldn't help.
She does like a base 9 math thing using her fingers like an abacus to do simple multiplication.
But she is smart as hell and can write poetry that sounds like Yeats.
She figured out how to get into state university without taking any math testing too.

end blog

>>52237391
A necromancer can be a good guy. You can do bad things for good reasons, or try and make something seen as bad be seen as being alright.

>>52237577
Yeah, but you're going to have to explain why you did those things.

>>52237597
Well, it depends on the setting, really. In some settings people really don't care what you do to a dead body.

>>52237447
funnily, the other players explained it perfectly, it's just that the guy isn't the sharpest tool in the shed
but whatevs

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>That DM
>Enforces Human only
>or no weird races

Reading about people who understand the concept of stating strenghtens my faith in humanity

>>52237700
I'll do you one better.
>Setting up for CoS
>Says I can only roll a human, despite there being a tiefling and a dragonborn
>Ok, and why is that?
>Cuz ur starting in the Sword Coast and the Sword Coast is 80% human
I mean fuck I love rolling humans, but that was the dumbest fucking reasoning for race denial. I'm pretty sure 80% of the Sword Coast aren't fucking adventurers either you twat.

>>52237194
>Ok listen Jake, I'm afraid that the existence of males is kind of an important point for our games. Are you sure you won't be able to play with us if we include men in the game? If so I'm sorry man but that's a bit too much of an omission for us, but I'm sure you can find a group which caters more to your tastes elsewhere.

Easy peasy. The difference is you want to say this to every player about everything they might be uncomfortable with.

>>52237700
The DM having different tastes for races than you hardly makes them That DM, anon.
But feel free to flip them off on your way out the door.

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>>52237700
All non-human races are degenerate.

>>52236920
If you genuinely can't understand why people would be more touchy about rape than murder, then there is something seriously wrong with you

>>52237771
See, this is more of a That GM.
They're applying their own poor reasoning to unequally apply homebrew rules for a stupid purpose at the detriment of player enjoyment.

>>52237797
Don't subject us to your hfy fetishes you degenerate!

>>52237805
>>52237797
Ladies, ladies!
We're all degenerates down here.

>>52237809
I don't want to sink to his level! Everyone knows elves are quick to recognize lewdness and we love them for it.

>>52237800
I've seen this before.
It can't be logically proven to be objectively worse than murder, and since all meat robots run on logic and numbers, he therefore cannot accept the concept of it being treated as worse.

>>52236710
>being this mad that people hate casters

>>52237800
That's because you've become desensitized to violence and murder on a regular basis due to what our societies find entertaining in fiction. The truth is they're both horrible things, but one is considered more taboo to discuss or present in various forms of media.

>>52237880
Great line in a poem I heard once amounted pointing out that it is fucked up for any society to teach their children the word "murder" before the the word "masturbate".
True even if you're just going alphabetically.

>>52236920
Wanna play in my FATAL game?

>>52237151
>guy on a Somalian Cheese Curdling Form is better than soldiers.
XD le epic cool libertarian ideology bro. You're the real hero for playing tabletop rpgs

>>52237940
Do you Catan?

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>>52237836
>''it isn't objectively worse''
>''hurr why don't people treat me seriously when i say it's objectively worse *to me*!!''

>>52237800
If you genuinely can't understand the difference between fictional murder/rape and real life murder/rape, then there is something seriously wrong with you

>>52236767
> And never has

What's fourth edition?

>>52237437
(it does)

>>52237145
I think the big issue here is the boundary between implication/allusion to explicit exposition. I play with a mixed group and if they encounter a group of travellers that's been bbeg'dtfo I imply terrible things have gone on without offering any explicit details that don't add to the game. I might for example mention whether their wounds look like they were caused arrows/bites/swords so they know a bit about whats coming for them. I might mention that it doesn't look like the group put up any type of effective defence or "It looks like the killers took their time here, toying with their victims" That sentence is enough to imply anything and it let's the players put their own imaginary cap on how bad it is.

>>52237207
>>52237194
Seriously he's also identifying who he's going to have to kick from the group. Your campaign should have a basic premise. I've told my group for their next campaign "the main theme of the campaign will be hunting dragons, make sure to roll a character that will be able to get on board with that"
If they know the premise and they choose to roll a vegan, pacifist dragon worshipper, I know who has to go.
I know by telling them this much, I'm going to end up with an assortment of PC's that for some reason or another are happy to kill dragons or indifferent to the killing of them.

Recently quite a gaming group because of the antics of an utter nightmare of a GM.

He set the mood for his game by boasting how he is going to kill party members.

Reads the plot directly from the book. If you deviate from what you should be doing in any way from the page he is on, he either insults you or 'punishes' your character with death or maimings.

EVERY NPC we meet either:
A: forces us to do a quest or
B: tries to screw us over some way.
C: both of the above.

EVERY wilderness encounter is a fucking ambush. If anyone is ever sent scouting ahead, tries to set an ambush themselves, or is left alone on guard duty, they get the entire ambush for themselves.

Everything is a 'roll stat or die/be crippled' event, from crossing a bridge, swimming a stream, cooking a meal or riding a horse.

He laughs at players for having a crippled/maimed/dead/disfigured character.

He punishes anyone with 'accidents' if they don't fight in melee in every fucking encounter, as he considers using archery, magic, stealth, diplomacy, roleplaying, intelligence gathering, tactics, etc as 'cheating'.

If a character uses non melee weapons or magic, (ie cheating) it is impossible to get further ammunition, spell components or new spells/training for those skills the entire campaign.

He doesnt like us knowing what the skills our characters can do or what equipment does, outside of 'axe hitting'. He mutters "rule lawyer" at players who ask for the rule book to find out, EVERY FUCKING TIME.

He pays no attention to the dice he rolls or NPC stats. No matter the skill of the NPC combatants, they always surprise, always start in melee range, always hit PCs 100% and scale their damage to the toughness of the PCs.

Wonders why people drop out of his campaigns regularly or decide to do something altogether less soul destroying every friday.

Yes, I am very salty.

>>52238060
You seem troubled anon.
Perhaps you could clearly explain to me what it was about my post that has vexed you so.

>>52236496
>You need someone to point out that I changed 50% of what you said so I could bitch about something

>>52238151
I worry about your sense of self-worth that you subject yourself to this bullshittery willingly.

>>52236383
>The GMs girlfriend told that apparently the "Kiaran"

I remember that story. She had red hair and tried to intimidate a mountainous barbarian.
>I'm a Barbarian. I am made out of Punch.
She gets knocked the fuck out, the bandits she was in charge of get beaten off or killed and the Barbarian cuts her throat whilst she's out.

>>52238151
>Yes, I am very salty.
I'm not sure how you can be so salty after only playing 30-45 minutes of one game.
It's not that much of a time investment, no matter how it was spent.

>>52236796
The holding action thing might work out if he writes it down on a piece of paper and slides it into the middle of the table.

That'd be fun to me as a GM, I'd be surprised.

>>52234786
>Cuck necromancer literally controlling the dead to engage in his fetish

Wew

>>52235306
You play with Mike from RedLetterMedia?

Oh my GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOD

>>52237771
I had one GM who had us roll a d10, low meant we could only play a human from the central kingdom, and every result above that unlocked another race for us to pick from.

>The group unlocked certain special races that new players could play if we encountered them in the game, like tieflings and aasimar, and drows.
Sort of like a collectible in a video game.

>>52237437
it most certainly is

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>convince gf (now fiance) to join me for a sesion of 4e
>she plays bard that sings songs of her hero dad who left her as a child. She wants to find him now.
>cool cool
>she's shy, never role played before
>she's worried she won't fit in
>be reassuring
>session starts in tavern/brothel
>doesn't really know what to do so she approaches a group of prostitutes and asks them if they've seen her dad
>DM sighs and says "is that really what you say?"
>gf doesn't say another word the whole game
>won't play d&d anymore
That face when this DM kept me from having an rpg playing wife.

>>52236891
>It will make people uncomfortable or downright grossed out
Surely, you mean aroused

>>52238151
If that is true, why do people play with assholes like this? Tell them to find another hobby that'll allow tell to fulfill their shitty fantasy without ruining other people's lives and fun.

>>52237437
If he still manages that both work, it doesn't matter.

>>52237437
Ha, sounds like my DM.

It's like he forgot that people had to actually play his setting, rather than it just existing for his pleasure.

>>52234786
So here's one
>tries to do character creation in the same night as game instead of splitting it into two sessions, rushes us through it
>says he wants to make it "challenging" for us
>starts us off at level one, makes us ROLL for our starting HP instead of what the rules explicitly state.
>I'm a sorcerer with 3 HP
>doesn't know the rules beyond those relevant for one class since our experienced DM was at work that night
>prints off slow module, level 1-3
>"Oh my god this is so boring"
>skips past the NUMEROUS RP sections and just does the fights
>gets majorly asshurt that I get up and leave

As a player
>in campaign that's basically a less serious version of Baldur's Gate: The Black Pits
>party is all martials; I'm a Fighter, he's a Gunslinger, we also have a Ranger and Swashbuckler
>in between fights, we befriended one of our NPC opponents, faked their death, then let them join the party
>I ask him to borrow some cash from the NPC since I lucked out on loot
>as he hands me 250g, That Guy tries to use Sleight of Hand to steal it AS IT LEAVES HIS HAND
>DM of course gives it heavy penalties and I succeed the Perception check, seeing him steal it like anyone with two eyeballs would
>I give him several verbal warnings IC to give it back
>he bitches, not understanding the principle of Rule #0 and we argue for about 20 minutes over
>fuck it, initiate combat, using disarm, grapple, and non-lethal damage as well as making it CLEAR IC that I wasn't trying to kill him
>he shoots me anyway
>Luckily, Gunslingers suck and I'm pretty good at building Fighters
>take him down nonlethally
>he pisses and moans OOC about whether or not I'm justified in attacking him after he SHOOTS ME IN THE CHEST
>he ragequits

Moral of the story: Never play TTRPGs with anyone who plays MTG.

>>52238151
My first GM was the type to brag about "Not being afraid to kill PCs." The first session was a slog through literal shit as we went through a sewer canal in disgusting detail.

>>52238736
Kick his ass for your wife, anon.

>>52239001
I'm not sure how MTG experience relates to such behavior

>gm has npcs calling orcs niggers
>everyone asks him to stop
>ruins the mood everytime
>gm says that's what real racism should do
>keeps doing it and making everyone uncomfortable

No one looks foward to when orcs come up in our games.

>>52239605
>No one looks foward to when orcs come up in our games where we tolerate a racist idiot.
FTFY

>>52237130
>War vet triggered by Rape
Oh fuck off.

>>52239720
----- The point ------>

(You)

>>52235007

Yeah, that's basically it. You guys really shouldn't have lost, OP.

>>52238079
they errata'd that after a week of it being out

>>52236345

You know, I don't actually agree. When you lose, when the girl falls into the hands of the villain, she is going to die really bad. It's not going to be pretty.

I know one campaign where we all died, and the sequel - twenty years later - had one of the main antagonists be the villain's son. In the interim, the guy had been raping a PC's love interest (Well, he married her, but the point stands) and biology had taken its course. The woman herself was wheelchairbound and basically catatonic.

>>52237156

No, rape happens. In an RPG, especially in a dark and gritty campaign, it can happen too. As long as the PCs know that this can happen, it should be fine.

Seriously, all you need to say is "Look, guys - there's going to be adult content in this game. Game of Thrones stuff. Everyone okay with that? Okay."

Then no-one can complain when rape actually happens.

>>52239686
I think he believes he's doing a good thing by having us, an all white group, get uncomfortable when confronted with racism every now and then, since not confronting it is a luxury.

So I don't know if he falls under the label "racist," if anything he's on the far side of that spectrum, people bringing up race whenever possible to point out how bad it is, and it's just as annoying.

>>52236818
the one my character got was "the Wrath of God"
the bard god "the Voice of God"

>>52236383
>NPC attacks the party
>GM expects them to survive

This can't end well. Either the NPC is killed outright, because why would you let them live; or they are shoehorned into not killing them because Plot and the group resents that NPC.

>>52235506
>>52235551
>Roll static stats in a campaign
>After deciding class/race
>Roleplay around it

Why would any GM do that? The only way to make this worse is roll 3d6 and go with it.
Its ok for a one-shot, but why would I play a low-dex rouge in a long campaign? That's a sure way for "accidental" PC deaths to roll new chars.

He does not know what unearthed arcana are and the other obscure regulations let me to think he never used E5 before. Not to speak of the wish spell the bard gets as a fucking cantrip at level 1. This game will probably end with a massive GM breaking every rule and railroading.

Run away as fast as you can

>>52236054
>It's what my character would do

The warcry of That guy; every single time

>>52240764

Any good counters to this? Like "what about your character would make him do this?"

>I've talked to gods
>I killed a god's cult
>I've toppled a kingdom
>I've tricked someone out of ambrosia
>All on the same character
>Who is level 5

>>52240831
The only counter is that the net enjoyment of the group trumps your flimsy excuse for roleplay.

>>52240831
>"Well killing your character is what his character would do"

>>52239516
The MTG mindset is about winning the game, competing against others

The DnD mindset is about the DM and players cooperating to create a story

You can't apply the mindset of one to the other or else it will undoubtedly be an unfun clusterfuck

>>52240831
Well the norm is, while characters have different motivations and ambitions; it should be clear beforehand, that its a group game.
This should be clear from the start, but some players need a reminder of that. Otherwise the group game becomes strained.
>Paladin reports rouge to authorities for everything illegal
>Party member suddenly joins the bad guys, because he offers power
>Gunslinger shoots guy in platemail because he was "distracted" by dogs and could not aim well

Try to talk with him and the whole group that this is not fun for everyone else.

>>52236316
I like that Slanesh Sigma rune conversion, might do something like that myself...

>>52237836
there are two major reasons why rape is more touchy than murder.
1: It's possible to have a survivor of rape in your play group. It is not possible to have a survivor of murder in your playgroup.
2: Murder actually covers a large body of acts which can be committed for various reasons, up to and including motives and courses of action that might be subjectively positive depending on situations. Rape, by its nature, is an act of violation committed to enjoy power over another. You can't commit rape for profit, or to defend someone, it can only be an act of sadism. And most play groups similarly have a no-go policy for gratutious, sadistic murder.
The ban isn't actually on rape. It's on acts of graphic sadism, whether you do it with a penis or a knife.

>>52240747
Oh yeah, this was his first time ever doing anything with 5e, he'd never played with it before. I heard from other people who have played with him that he almost always does total homebrew stuff, rules and all.

>>52234786
I played with a GM who was like that once. He tried starting another campaign and I told him I wasn't interested. I don't know what happened to the group after that, but the quality of my own life has markedly improved.

>>52241158
I have nothing against homebrew, but if you start a new system its best to only use bare bones rules for the first few one-shots.
Still he should have known that a wish spell, even with some consequences on level 1 is a bad idea.
I guess this was your first and last time playing with him? If not, did it get any better?

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What classes are "that guy" favorites?

>>52241287
Any class that allows them to play an extreme, usually.
Zealots, grifters, moral-less mages.

>>52241287
All of them, they're just a different type of That Guy

>>52241251
I've actually played with him once before, in a tongue-in-cheek silly one-off kinda deal. Complete homebrew, no rp, just here's big monster, don't die. It went alright. It involved what bordered on magical realm, but it was at a party, there was drinking, and it was meant to be stupid, so I gave it a pass.

This past time was two weeks ago, we were supposed to show up for the first session last weekend, but I don't think anyone did. Part of that was that he didn't really make it clear we were going to have a session (it was the start of spring break, we hadn't heard from him in a week, he basically asked "where is everybody" five minutes after the session was supposed to start), but I'm not sure I'll want to show up this weekend either. I guess we'll see what I feel like when the session time rolls around.

>>52237700
>so this is going to be a human only campaign because the narrative i ha-
>REEEEEEE NO NON-HUMANS ALLOWED REEEEEEEE
>oh well alright i guess maybe i could make an exception and let you play a half-elf or or a half-orc may-
>REEEEEEEEE I NEED TO PLAY A 900 YEAR OLD SHEMALE SNAKE LADY REEE

>>52241251
>>52241460
Also, yeah, nothing against homebrew itself, but I think this was his first time ever using an actual ruleset in whole or part, which I think was a big mistake. It's like he skimmed through the rulebook, picked a couple things he liked, and called it 5e.

>>52236737
i wouldnt mind him getting the kill if he helped
he waited until i almost killed the boss to do anything while i was being grappled and beaten up

>>52241287
Rogue, Wizard, and worst of all, Rogue-Wizard hybrids

>>52238736
>>doesn't really know what to do so she approaches a group of prostitutes and asks them if they've seen her dad
>>DM sighs and says "is that really what you say?"
okay i fucking kek'd
honestly sounds like your dm did nothing wrong but try to start a funny mini plot

>>52240886
... I play both just fine, because I'm not a retard and can separate two conceptually different games in my mind.

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>>52234786
>It's a "brand new player wants to join the group and learn D&D but he read min/max forums and has a 20 CHM Bard who intimidates and charms all the NPCs and players and railroads everyone into doing his bidding" episode

>>52236350
I don't think the Black Crusade rules make a distinction between mortals and space marines when it comes to bionics.

>>52234786
I would never go to that level of degeneracy unless my players wanted. I am unafraid to give a bad ending but how bad depends on the reaction I'm getting. So if the majority of the players were interested i would keep going. If one was disgusted, i would tske it one step further and stop, cause yes, i want you to have new ideas and feelings while playing

>>52234786
Was playing Dark Sun 4e and had a player roll a Warforged made out of metal. In Dark Sun. Where metal is literally the most valuable resource in the world and entire wars are fought over small amounts of it.

I told him he could definitely play a Warforged as long as he came up with a good backstory and was ready for people to hunt him down for the metal. He got super pissed and said, "No, I don't want that. I'm only doing it so I don't have to worry about Dark Sun's stupid water and food survival rules because Warforged don't eat or drink."

I told him he could cover himself up and hope that no one ever found out he was made of metal, and he threw a tantrum and said, "FINE" then rerolled. As a Shardmind.

>>52241152
This is probably the best way someone's put it.

>>52241804
Yeah, sounds like a communication issue.

>>52238316
I can't tell if this is really creative or really stupid. Might try it out some day.

>>52241287
People who arent good roleplayers tend to stick to fighter characters. Some play rogues but they are really just fighter rogues

>>52241152
While you are correct that you can't have a survivor of murder in your play group, it is possible to have someone who was directly effected by murder (i.e. family member, friend ect. was killed.)

Your second point however, stands.

>>52234786
I'm very surprised there are so many people furious over the zombie rape. Holy shit, not only is it realistic, it's just a game and pretty comical fictional situation.

>>52237797
>Not power gaming as a human in an 'anything goes for races' setting, showing and boasting the superiority of mankind to everyone
It's almost like you don't want to be awesome

>>52238736
Oh, that's so cute.

I want her in my group.

>>52238262

came here to post this.

I don't like to hold spells though because you lose the slot whether you actually cast or not.

>>52237185
>>Ever since the incident I get uncomfortable with spiders, can we not fight spiders?

no way I'd ever play with this faggot

>>52242440
Anon, zombies aren't real.

>>52236891

Honestly, the reason I exclude rape from games is the same reason I exclude graphic torture and PTSD.

Aint nobody want to roleplay that shit.

Why is murder ok? Because roleplaying a dead guy doesn't make anyone uncomfortable.

>>52234786
>Character picks up a special technique that lets him set enemies on fire with an attack once per combat
>Make no secret to the GM and rest of the group that I can't wait to try this new toy
>The very next enemy we fight is a homebrew monster that suddenly and without warning reveals the ability to become stronger when on fire

Probably not enough to count as that GM but I got pretty pissed at that one.

>>52242695
>PTSD
Uh. That is a terrible ban. Cause it just encourages more murder hobos

>>52242653
Tell that to fungus controlled ant colonies. Or hermit crabs. Hell, humans have many parasites that control our behaviour

>>52243022
That's pretty funny. Not That Guy material.

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>>52236295
>typical Tumblr torture fantasy

Liberalism really is a mental disorder.

>>52235573
>"we failed our quest miserably, dooming our city to destruction"
>"lol we're just here for fun tho bro, why you taking it so srsly its just a game"


The future is Millennials. Welcome to the future.

>>52236054
>>Playing Pathfinder
>>Playing Gunslinger

do you know that you're trash?

>>52243505
>b8ing this hard

Describing his character's wife being raped by zombies is too far, anon.

>>52236309
>more Tumblr torture fantasy

like p o e t r y

>>52236526
>t. cuck

>>52243569
No, we established that the necromancer is the cuck, since he has his zombie bull do the raping for him.

>>52238736
I remember you from another thread. Have you considered getting her to try again, and maybe this time speaking to the DM beforehand? Asking him to be nice, basically.

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>>52236710
FAKE NEWS
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>>52236920
This.

Rape is not some special evil.

Murder is.

>>52237700
>tumblr gif

yup, seems right for a faggot who wants to RP being some sort of nigger ape or furry fetish

>>52239605
You sound like a nigger-lover.

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>>52243537

>>52243785
Rape is slavery just done worse. If you don't get that you are below human

>>52240091
>No, rape happens.
Lots of things happen.
The only thing that adding rape adds to your role-playing game is rape.

>>52239605
Make the GM the uncomfortable one. Try and get the party in on it too.

When the orcs show up, just have the PCs join in on the bashing. When the GM discovers that the players are calling orcs "niggers" he'll probably stop the game long enough for you and the group to explain that you play the game to have fun and while he is free to fight for "social justice" on his own time, that while running the game the needs, wants, and expectations of the whole group (of which the GM is of course a part of) come first.

>>52240369
I don't know how you can claim that someone who *isn't* a racist would draw a parallel between orcs, a savage race of bloodthirsty marauders, rapists, and murderers who are as likely to kill their own brothers as they are an enemy, and black people. I mean, yeah, there's some savage mother fuckers in Africa and gangs are a problem in the USA and other countries, but gangs aren't limited to black people and there are some pretty fucking savage asians, arabs, and europeans in their respective countries of origin too.

>>52244081
It add consequences. It shouldn't be used liberally but i would use it when a scene needs it. DMs have use it before to me and it adds stakes

>>52236316
>Player: "I want to do something that I can do"
>GM: "no you can't"

Yeah. While there are cases where that's legit, this isn't one of them.

>>52234786
We recently looted 100L of beer from a bandit camp. The druid used destroy water on the beer in the keg, so that only the alcohol and the spices remained, lit it on fire on rolled it away.

>>52240369
Nah, he's racist.
Not burn-a-cross racist, but still racist.
Sounds like it's a byproduct of his stupidity, though.
But honestly, ignoring his players to perpetuate his own stupidity is worse in my opinion and the second worst thing about it.
The worst is y'all just sitting around while he shits in your pudding, telling him to stop, and then doing nothing when he doesn't.
Y'all are getting the game you deserve.

>>52240941
>Well the norm is, while characters have different motivations and ambitions; it should be clear beforehand, that its a group game.
>This should be clear from the start, but some players need a reminder of that. Otherwise the group game becomes strained.
Pithy comeback.
Heh

>>52240831
>Any good counters to this?
Try:
>Why are you choosing to play a character that would do that?

>>52241152
Guy you replied to here.
This is the best description of this I've read.
I wonder if it's capable of persuading anyone.

>>52241152
>rape is about power
Spot the sjw, its about mental illness and sexual lust

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>>52244079
>Rape is slavery

Are you retarded?

>>52241576
>i wouldnt mind him getting the kill if he helped
>he waited until i almost killed the boss to do anything while i was being grappled and beaten up
Okay, imagine for a second that it is not a game, but an actual fight.
This would make him a coward and a jerk, but still helping out at the end.
The IC response would be to call him an asshole for jumping in so late.
That response fits OOC too.
But talking about kill stealing outside of a MMORPG is dumb.
Maybe okay if you're hunting for sport.

>>52244567
Kill stealing is only applicable to toddlers playing moba.

>>52242440
>I'm very surprised there are so many people furious over the zombie rape. Holy shit, not only is it realistic...
Heh
Yeah, nothing unusual here at all.

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>>52243890
Sounds accurate.

>>52239991
Too much info. You enjoy NTR, I get it: leave me the fuck alone with it. I do not enjoy cuckoldry.

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>>52242470

>>52240831
"Why?" usually is a good way to approach it.

>>52236681

Can someone give me that gif in reverse?

>>52244163
>When the orcs show up, just have the PCs join in on the bashing.
Don't forget to call elves chinks and dwarves kikes and the whole spectrum.

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>playing Maid RPG
>we all agree during character creation we won't fight for favor points
>that guy always stays close to the master and declares himself his bodyguard even though his position is cook
>because of this the masters actual personal keeper (another player) keeps getting stress points
>we have to comfort her constantly as she breaks down crying
>dude refuses to share favor points, becomes head maid in a matter of sessions
>everybody is really sour

>>52242440
That's pretty good sarcasm. One upboat from me

>>52236397
>bad GMing causes the game to implode
>it's Rick's fault!!!

>>52244185
>It add consequences.
It adds the specific consequence of rape.
And what is rape a consequence of that can't be expressed in any way other than rape?

The only reply I can imagine involves the GM not being able to think of something besides rape.
Lack of imagination is never justification.

>>52243469
You must be 18 or older to post here, didn't your parents let you know?

>>52244493
While I'm not a rapist, I have heard it both ways.
And the idea that it is about power predates sjws.
Yes, there was such a golden age.

I remember watching a movie where a woman was in Mussolini's office and denounced something he had done so he calmly raped her and left the room.
Because he could and it made his point.
No idea how accurate that was, but it conveyed the concept of rape being about power.

>>52244622
I am wondering what hunters would call it now though.

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>>52236383
This one?

>>52239605
Call your GM by a racial slur whenever you are referring to your GM. If he ask you to stop, remind him that it's what your character would say to people of his race, and you are bounded by honor and rule as a player to perform good roleplay.

>>52236496
God forbid there are in-game repercussions to failing a quest, jeez...

>>52240831
"So your character is completely braindead?"

"So your character would do something completely retarded?"

(Doesn't work if he has a low Int score)

>>52245232
>let's go totally overboard with consequences when the characters fail at something
>when you try to kill the nobleman and are found out, you are immediately arrested, all your friends and family too, collectively the guards repeatedly violate you in turns and then kill you by chocking you with the entrails of your character's mother
>that'll learn them!

>>52242543
Fuck you, I lost friends at Klendathu. Show some fucking respect for the veterans!

>>52245052
wtf, he has a gf and a waifu?

>DMing games for beginners at a local con with my tabletop club
>A mother and her two sons sign up for the next game
>That guy comes out of nowhere
>Demands to be included in this session
>Showcases his RPG knowledge by bossing the other players around
>Ruins the game for the family
>"Hey Anon, I loved the game ! When does your club meet?"
>Try to shoo him away, unsuccessfully
>The next week, he comes at game night and joins the club
>Turns out he is not that bad
>Is autistic, has trouble interacting with people
>Help him get along with the other players, session after session
>Fast-forward a few months
>GMing a one-shot with autistic guy, SJW hamplanet and her boy-toy as players
>How did it turn out like this.jpg
>Everyone seems to be having fun
>Autistic guy is getting comfortable and forgets to behave
>"You are a girl, so shut up and let me talk"
>oh shit
>Hamplanet becomes so red she turns into Mars
>Try to defuse the situation
>"Come on, don't say things like that."
>Autistic guy apologizes
>Hamplanet calms down
>Game goes on
>No harm done?
>Hamplanet does not come back next week
>Whereabouts unknown for the rest of the year
>Last game night, yearly administrative club meeting
>Hamplanet is back
>"Girls in this club are constantly harassed. It is not a safe space, all members are chauvinist pigs. Rules must be set to welcome girls here."
>First time anyone hears of this issue
>Club leader takes it way too seriously
>Proceeds to warn all new female members that there have been issues in the past
>Girls are scared by this, and never come back
>No more girls in club
>Even hamplanet left
>Stupid That Girl SJW made us into a male-only club because she does not understand autism

>>52245365
sounds like it worked out awesome sauce. fuck girls. rpg's are secret mens business.

>>52234786
This happened years ago, but still makes me rage

>We had a guy in our group who was stone deaf
>Really good at lip-reading, so could usually tell what was going on, but could not hear anything at all.
>Go into this one dungeon, which had certain musical themes to it.
>Puzzles based on what sounds the DM was playing out of his phone sort of stuff.
>Kinda gimmicky, but not too bad.
>Deafbro, of course, doesn't do much except heal people as necessary
>DM docks him XP for not contributing to the party's success out of combat, he didn't even speak up for a single puzzle.

>>52238736
>Your wife says something stupid
>Gets so embarrassed she refuses to talk again

This is why women shouldn't play dnd.

>>52245431
Have you reminded the DM that he failed to deliver the world he needed to deliver to a player, and thus should castrate himself for being a failure and should never procreate to preserve our gene pool?