MTG Modern General

>>52233021
Anyone grab anything nice from Modern masters?

>>52233125
Got a Goyf and Lili. Everyone else in the store got pretty shitty boxes.

>>52233125
I ended up getting 2 lilis and a cavern which was pretty delightful to crack.

>>52233215
Going through my math, if I hadn't pulled a Goyf too I would have barely broke even, despite paying retail price. Some of the rares I pulled are in the pennies.

>>52233125
A couple of friends and I split a box to draft, we got a sclading tarn, misty rainforest, goyf, cavern, goblin guide, 2 paths, 3 inquisitions (one foil), and a foil flickerwisp. Pretty nice box, if you ask me

>>52233267
Yeah I definitely noticed that you really needed to pull an expensive mythic to break even. The variances of the boxes were massive too, my box ended up being worth ~$350 while the guy next to me barely reached $100

>>52233021

Tips for my BW tokens list?

Main
4x Inquisition of Kozilek
3x Thoughtsieze
4x Lingering Souls
4x Spectral Procession
4x Intangible Virtue
4x Bitterblossom
4x Path to Exile
2x Zealous Persecution
2x Soring, Solemn Visitor
1x Liliana of the Viel
1x Elspeth Knight Errant
3x Timely Reinforcements


Side
2x Stony Silence
1x Kataki War's Wage
1x Worship
1x Duress
2x Sundering Growth
2x Burnington Forge Tender
2x Dismember
2x Ghost Quarter
2x Rest In Peace

>>52233125

Arid Mesa, Misty Rainforest.

>>52233021
>>52233125
foil cavern from a pack. feels good when my mate cracks a seance beside me

>>52233337
>>52233337
no fatal push?

4-0d with my meme brew pretty happy.
2-1 against burn, 2-0 against storm, 2-1 against Bant Eldrazi, 2-0 against Instant Reanimator.
The final 60 for the deck was
Land (19)
2x Breeding Pool
1x Island
4x Misty Rainforest
2x Overgrown Tomb
4x Polluted Delta
1x Swamp
3x Verdant Catacombs
2x Watery Grave
Creature (19)
4x Death's Shadow
2x Griselbrand
3x Gurmag Angler
4x Hooting Mandrills
1x Iona, Shield of Emeria
4x Street Wraith
Instant (12)
2x Abrupt Decay
2x Dismember
3x Manamorphose
4x Thought Scour
Sorcery (14)
3x Eldritch Evolution
3x Inquisition of Kozilek
3x Serum Visions
3x Thoughtseize
Still tinkering of cours but overall very happy.Playing turn 1 discard, into turn 2 mandrills, into turn 3 discard angler is fucking insanely good. It may not be as good as just straight DSJ, but I am 100% sure that being able to Eldritch turn 3 for Iona or Elesh Norn is going to be fantastic. Also I feel like I'm going to have a better matchup against regular DSJ, as if I ever resolve Eldritch Evolution I can't see them beating Griselbrand or Iona. Also having stuff not die to push/decay is real nice. Reposting from last thread. Also someone asked why I don't just play DSJ. I think it has a good matchup against DSJ. Also I like blue sideboard cards better than red, and in the end I only think we lose a couple points to the other matchups. Also we don't lose as hard to grave hate, we can still cast our guys reasonably easily with all our fetches and cantrips and have them be big, unlike goyf who once he is a 0/1 is hard to grow again.

>>52233125
Pulled 2 mythics, they were both red. That's all I'll say about my 200 dollar box.

>>52233125
My box was amazing. Four fetches, Blood Moon, Damnation, Linvala, Craterhoof, and so on and so forth. So many fucking playables.

>>52233353
I'm not sure where to put it, honestly. It probably will take the Dismember spots in the board but the problem is that it clearly isn't as good as Path so I'm not sure what to cut for it. I'm leaning towards cutting one copy of Timely Reinforcements and one copy of Thoughtsieze, but on the other hand this deck doesn't feel like it needs more creature removal.

>>52233412
Hmm well you aren't as concerned with life gain unlike BGX decks who don't run sorin, good point. But you don't mind giving opponents an early land?

I'd just be comfortable with 6 removal spells since you also only just have one lily. Timely doesn't feel like it should be mainboard too, not all the decks you will fight will be creature decks

>>52233464
I used to run it in the side, but I find it is a really good draw late game and surprisingly common for me to get the creatures even against creature light decks. If I play a Virtue on turn two or basically 80% of the time I'm on the play I will get both modes. As for the Path argument, I tend to get early creatures with my discard spells, but I probably will swap in some Pushes to see if its better. With the enemy fetches getting reprinted I can finally run some Marsh Flats (right now I'm just running some Khans fetches) and then I will be able to reliably get that revolt trigger.

>>52233021
What was the meta before Twin bannings and before Eldrazi winter? I think it was mostly Twin, Affinity, UR/b Delver, Tron and Scapeshift.
I don't think Twin would face really well against DS and Dredge tho. It would need better removal than Bolt.

>>52233717
Jund, Jesaki Nahiri, Burn, Bant Eldrazi

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Any Tooth and nail players here? What's the fastest I could go off with that deck, it looks fun af

I opened a box of MM2017 and pulled ~$35 worth of shit (Foil Domri Rade, mythics were Bonfire, Revelation and Past in Flames, best rare was Venser and Basilisk Collar, foil rare was Boros Reckoner, 1 Krosa, 1 PtE, 1 Serum Visions in the entire box..)

I feel like shooting myself honestly, considering literally every other person whose opened a box at LEAST had ONE card in it worth over $40, and I get stuck with probably the worst combination of cards possible in such a valuable set.

>>52234004
>he played the lottery and he lost
I'm shocked desu

>>52234001
I don't play T&N but a similar arbor/sprawl deck (genesis wave)
Basically if you get the arbor/sprawl combo and drop Garruk turn 2, assuming they don't do anything about it you should be good to go turn 3.

I run Kioras as extra Garruks and she's been great off the sprawl combo, greenfags are sleeping on Fishtits

>>52234285
Ohhhh, dope. Thanks anon. You mind posting it?

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Went 4-0 with Death's Shadow tonight.

Feelsgoodman.

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>tfw I never got to play pod
UNBAN POD

>>52234347
tappedout.net/mtg-deckpaste/18-03-17-gEJ-deck-paste/

>drafting UB draw-go in MM3 limited

Feels so good.

>>52234818
>>52234347
jesus it kinda just mashed my whole sb in on the tappedout link

https://deckstats.net/deck-12613456-33416bd2ad96d9ddabcc8636dac0de93.html

>>52234833
>Splicer Blink
UNF

>>52234004
This is why I ordered two boxes. With such massive variance, you're more likely to break even with a second attempt. I'm surprised how cheap they are online. Anyone paying over 200 is being an idiot.

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>>52234846
Nice deck anon. Loving polukranos and that wurm. 9/11 would play with

>>52233342
He can burn it for le reddit gold

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I did it! First pack of the draft.

>>52235165
>dem hands

>>52235165
>pull lily
>now need to buy 3 more lily's to do anything worthwhile
>spend an additional 170 dollars

i just want IoK.

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>>52235331
>>now need to buy 3 more lily's to do anything worthwhile

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Going to a MM3 draft this Sunday. Wish me luck.

Been playing Storm lately. Hella fun. I need to be more wary of the fact Leyline of Sanctity stops Gifts. Cost me 1 game.

Still trying to figure out a good sideboard. I'm tempted to run 4 Leylines myself just to stop a lot of the popular graveyard hate and all this hand disruption.

>>52235354
it's true though, 1 lily is pointless

>>52235354

>this is the most people talk about crystal chronicles

:(

but that game was awesome

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>Playing
This Saheeli Eldritch Evolution Brew
>Brewing
figuring out what silver bullets to put in the deck. Probably going to go down the Linvala since no one plays abzan company online, and replace the deadeye harpooner with banisher priest. Still not sure about magus of the moat either

did two back to back $30 drafts

walked away with
>snapcaster mage
>bloodmoon
>3 fetches

this set is busted

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What's a deck that's on the level of G/W humans? I have a friend who uses it and the deck I was brewing, Mono-Green Stompy probably just outright loses to it. I don't want a deck that's T1 and just absolutely crushes him, but I don't want a deck where I just lie down and accept death either. The obvious solution seems something in black for inquisitions and pushes.

>>52235354
>>52235484
I did actually obtain 4 of those cables and was able to borrow some GBAs to play 4 player FF:CC. It's a great game. Shame it's such a pain in the ass to play. I'm going to try and work on linking Dolphin up to VBAs and seeing if that will work; I really want to play it again.

deck fucking hated me tonight. playing RG titanshift (no breach)

>round 1 vs jeskai nahiri
>only threat I draw all game eats a cryptic, lose to snap bolts
>game 2 I keep a one lander with 4 ramp spells, scapeshift, and summoner's pact. T1 land, suspend search for tomorrow, very likely to draw a land
>dont
>dont again
>SFT gets remanded
>dont draw land, again
>lose

>round 2 vs indomitable creativity combo
>game one get swarmed by goblin tokens
>cast prime time, but make a mistake and valakut opponent in the face twice instead of killing a goblin like I should have
>he attacks with everything, bolts me for lethal
>game 2 and 3 come down to him not drawing enough lands and me drawing back to back anger of the gods until I finally kill him

>round 3 vs nahiri chord
>G1 I have no pressure and he slams T3 nahiri and I miss my 7th land drop, get emrakul'd in the face on turn 5.
>G2 I get my only decent hand of the night, scapeshift for lethal on turn 4 LIKE IT'S SUPPOSED TO
>G3 first hand has no lands, first mulligan has no lands, mull to five and accept inevitable loss. but I keep drawing exactly what I need while my opponent seemed to stumble on lands and didn't really play any threats, finally top deck scapeshift and win

>round 4 vs DSJ
>he plays back to back to back to back discard spells and strips my hand to just lands
>G1 he brings himself down to 5 but has lethal on me in one turn
>draw a mountain
>drop mountain and crack a fetch for two natural valakut triggers, kill him
>G2 discard spells x 1,000,000 again, holy fucking shit. he drops himself to 1 and hits me with death's shadow + battle fury for 24 damage
>G3 is a repeat of G2 but instead of one-hitting me with death's shadow he 3 hit me with a 7/8 goyf

2-2 meant I still got store credit to cover the entry fee but holy fuck, I only managed the win the games where my opponents were having a harder time than I was

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>>52233125
Popped what was a pretty medium box, until I opened this pact.

>>52235777
Death Shadow Grixis

Hold Lili or sell now?

After one box and one draft and some trading, I have:

4 Catacombs, 2 Mesas, 2 Marshes, 1 lili that I bought for $40, 3 death's shadows, and a bunch of uncommon staples.

I spent too much money by buying a box, but the draft scene is EXCELLENT. Hugely powerful and fun; so much so that even standard players are drafting it.

On top of that, people are trading away all sorts of shit. I haven't made this many good trades in a long ass time.

Final verdict from me: great cards, great draft scene, don't buy a box ever.

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>>52233021
the current meta seems fine to me

>playin
90% complete grishoalbrand, just missing emrakul, boseiju, pacts, fastlands
went 2-1-1 beating turns and saheeli cat lady, losing to grixis shadow delver, IDing with a tainted remedy deck (but winning 2-1 in the for-fun games)
Deck feels pretty good against anything that doesn't run thoughtseize or thalia, or kill turn 3.
Against saheeli i had an evil game 2 where the dude couldn't find a white source and tapped low for saheeli to dig. in his end step he tapped his last land to dispel a decoy breach (i had no creatures in hand). i then untapped and Boiled away all his lands.
in round 4 i will say that tainted remedy/ensnaring bridge made things pretty interesting

>brewing
janky UR prowess
pic related. it's like burn but with card selection. yeah all the good blue cards this deck wants are banned, but it can still goldfish a decently fast kill and fight through removal with bedlam revelers.
I've only played one match against death's shadow but it feels good by nature of the fact that you can push 8ish damage out of nowhere with cantrips, burn, and hasty creatures. I feel like UR tempo/aggro decks are underexplored rn and this is very rough draft

>tech/sideboard
Prowess: twisted image is dope with stormchaser mage. spite can kill almost anything by turn 4 or 5. bauble is kinda cool with all the fetches and thought scours
land disruption and keranos make the midrange and grindy matchups possibly favorable. resolving keranos against a fair deck is usually gg. only got to cast avaricious dragon once and it died before i could draw off it. Haven't faced a combo deck yet which is where i'd bring in thoughtseizes
Grishoal: if you aren't running geier reach sanitarium you need to get on that.

>>52235410
>hand disruption
doesn't storm shrug off targeted discard no sweat?
as far as sideboard options, what do you think of a madcap moon package? blood moons + madcap-emperion.

>>52236607
>even standard players are drafting it
Being better than standard isn't a high bar right now though

gonna play UWr Geist

am I a cool guy or am I gay?

>>52236420
>sell lili at $60

It will go back up to $80 MINIMUM. Hold onto it until it stabilizes at $100 again.

>>52236616
>doesn't storm shrug off targeted discard no sweat?
not really, that's just one fag claiming he wins every game turn 3 through 15 discard spells

>>52235834
>when you have four gb advances, three friends that come over once a week, a big tv, and a gamecube.

Literally on like our 5th playthrough, it's great.

>>52235921
It sounds like you are new to the deck and are keeping really bad hands in matchups you are unfamiliar with. Like holy shit why would you keep a one lander against a control deck? Or even against any deck? If you miss the land off the top of your deck you are a full turn behind. If you are one of those people who gets all pissy when they mull to five and "accepts the inevitable loss" you won't do well in modern. Almost every deck is somewhat greedy and mulls alot.

>>52236616
>no kiln fiend

Shit deck

>>52236670
I keep 1 land hands regularly

I also mainboard 8 mana dorks, so

Do decks that aren't fast enough to go toe-to-toe with Affinity just hope they draw their hate games 2 and 3?

>>52236704
If you're playing aggro, yeah.

Cards will go down then up again depending on if there comes anotha print run.

>>52236670
well i've had the deck for a year and one landers have worked out for me like, 65% of the time I think. there's 27 fucking lands. I still fully admit that game was my fault, I should have just mulligan'd.

The rest of the games were shit like, 3 lands 3 ramp spells and scapeshift, looks fine, oops I drew 3 more copies of scapeshift and no land and I'm stuck at 6 and my opponent just killed me welp-

and I'm not sure "pissy" is the right word for getting no land mull no land mull to 5. more "annoyed" that a deck with 27 lands can't produce a hand with land cards in it after I mash and riffle shuffled for ~5 minutes.

And I'm not a salty bitch IRL, I'm pretty cheerful. I hate those retarded faggots that sit there and loudly exaggerate their sighs and quietly scream to themselves NO FUCKING LAND ARE YOU SERIOUS WHAT THE FUCK GG GOOD FUCKING GAME OPPONENT ENJOY YUOUR 2-0 STUPID PEICE OF SHIT DECK. those whiney faggots need to neck themselves.

I'm one of those annoying retards that just laughs and smiles the whole time he's getting fucked. like I made a joke about goyf getting big in the last game vs DSJ and when I sacrificed a khalni heart expedition I said "let me help you max that goyf, put an enchantment in the yard" and people gathered around and starting cheering for a 8/9 goyf. "his power is maximum!" etc. A little positivity goes a long way for making magic a more enjoyable game

>>52235777
I would recommend playing the latest versions of GW Company/Rallier. It plays very similiar.

Good luck getting Noble Hierarchs though.

>>52235354
>implying sucking dick in the bathroom of Olive Garden wasn't the goal all along

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>>52235777
Samefag. B/W tokens seems like a winner against G/W humans to me, can anyone confirm? Any spicy techs for this deck?

>>52236785
Also why the hell is bitterblossom a 25 dollar card when only T2/3 decks run it?

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>putting counterspells in your deck
>>52236857
price memory

>>52236864
price memory is a meme, it's really just shops refusing to mark down their stock because people are still willing to pay that much. it doesn't matter what actual demand the card has, as long as it doesn't get reprinted people will pay $25-30 for a bitterblossom because "that's just how much it costs lol"

>>52236946
Pretty sure you exactly described price memory. Despite demand changing people remember the old price and keep buying and selling at that price.

>>52236946
Are you fucking retarded? "Lol that's just how much it costs" IS price memory

>>52236946
That is price memory though?

>>52236785
>tech
Collective/blessed as solid miser removal spells, fatal push to mix with path, gideon is good, hidden stockpile is a cute fun-of. there's probably more

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>that feel when you have to play rallier to get your land back because your deck is fucking you on land drops

>>52237018
Solid play.

>captcha: viale tennis
You one of those dumb GW Hatebears retards?

>>52236999
also srams expertise might be cool.

maybe oath of gideon, but that seems bad unless you really like gideon emblems and lots o' sorin.

Also a Collective Effort deservers a spot in the 75 I think, the card has potential.

>>52236785
GW humans isn't a mainline deck. There's a great deal of variation involved, especially if you mean at the standard or modern powerlevel.

But, I still think you'll have a rough time.

Simply put, they can mainboard Dromoka's Command hit your enchantments game one. Additionally, if Abzan Falconer comes out, you've lost your big advantage in flying. And, I've seen some that bring Big Elspeth, because I guess they're expecting a match against Jund. But, if Big E resolves, they're pumping out tokens as fast as you. Oddly, you're more resistant than other BW tokens lists, because you're barely running boosting enchantments, so the -3 won't slaughter your board.
Also, mana dorks and Tireless Tracker and Thraben Inspector give them card draw via tokens, which isn't great, but better than your absolute lack of it.
They have cards that can shut you down hard. Plain and simple. All you've got to resist is a big pile of discard and a spell that lets them get their planeswalkers out with mana to spare.

I don't know what your local opponent runs.
If he's loading planeswalkers, throw some permanent removal in. Oblivion Ring works, but they have mainboard enchantment removal. Anguished Unmaking isn't a great spell, but it works. You've got sources of Lifelink, it's not too bad.
Also, Sorin, Lord of Innistrad has some definite advantages over Solemn Visitor.

But real talk: building a deck specifically because you've got a local opponent you want to beat is a pretty narrow approach to take.
You're not making some shitbrew that specifically goes after him, which is good, and you're looking at a solid budget archetype instead, that has a fair amount of replayability. This is also good.

BW tokens is a good deck. You're not going in a bad direction. But, it sounds like you're new at this, and there's definitely more decks to consider. Running aggro into aggro all day every day, like BW tokens into GW Humans, isn't terribly interesting. Look around for more options.

>>52237043
Nope.

even worse, abzan coco

>>52236785
>>52236999
Also, idk how I feel about the temple garden + gavony, especially since Westvale Abbey would be a much easier payoff land in that slot.

>>52236957
>>52236960
>>52236975
I never said it wasn't real tho. I said it was really just a meme. do u even memes

>>52236785
>>52237056
My post is a little disjointed. Excuse me.

I'm not sure what specific build your opponent is running. On top of that, I gather that you do not own the posted list, but were considering it. With that in mind, I would recommend a different list, because that one is not great.

Those are hopefully all the points I confused somewhat.

My friend is selling a lili he pulled for $45. Is that a good deal?

>>52237106
yeah pretty good since I bought a heavily played one for $65 tonight

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On the subject of BW, I was doing some brewing with pic. Ideally I'm swinging T3 with a 7/7 flying after casting Edge of the Divinity, but that's not reliable, and the more I look at this the more I feel like I would be playing a shitty BW Delver.

If there's a way to boost this, or get something more out of it, or move it away from feeling like Delver, that'd be great.

>>52237137
Time to stop.

>>52237137
Do that in pauper, friend, its a solid niche deck there.

if twin came back, im pretty sure every game would be run enchantment removal or die to twin.

>>52237068
Don't be a stupid nigger, no one said you said price memory wasn't real. You presented price memory as the "true" alternative to price memory. You really should have just accepted that you fucked up.

>>52237137
>the more I look at this the more I feel like I would be playing a shitty BW Delver

You hit the nail on the head.

>move it away from feeling like Delver

Play bw tokens, put one of these in the sb

>>52237428
Why would you run enchantment removal when you could run creature removal? But beyond that you're right, twin would define the meta entirely

>>52233021
What sort of deck would you recommend to someone looking to get into modern? I've played standard for 4~ years but mostly play EDH now.

I like the look of jeskai control with nahiri , how viable is it? Something like this deck:

http://mtgtop8.com/event?e=14620&d=287751&f=MO

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>>52233337

>no kick
>no brutality
>passing on 1x exile the shit I don't like

>>52235777

What's a deck that's on the level of G/W humans? I have a friend who uses it and the deck I was brewing, Mono-Green Stompy probably just outright loses to it.

>sideboard in prey upons
>some enchantment destruction to get rid of his anthems
>get a dismember or two
>???

Just learn to sideboard well anon.

>>52237451
Oh, like it did when it was legal? Oh wait, but it didn't define the meta. Twin's only sin is that good players won tournaments with it.

Anyone has some decent ponza list?

I feel like building it to awaken my inner Timmy.

>>52233021
Okey im retarded why does deaths shadow play tarefire and not bolts?

>>52238108

It makes Goyf bigger.

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how do i put emrakul into the grave without it fucking up my mill ??

>>52238602
Surgical Extract it or Extirpate

>>52233125
Got a Lili from the first pack of my FNM draft. Probably won't buy a box though.

>>52238602
What does this say?

>>52239220

"you are a faggot"

>>52235985
>he doesn't double sleeve that shit immediately

Absolutely heretical!

>>52238602
Yeah, saw this few hours ago. That's some awful aesthetic.

>>52233021
This format is garbage, desu.

>>52238152
Also delirium, you can turn 1 tarfire a dork, bauble, and fetch or cycle wraith and have delirium turn 1, pretty nuts, also 4/5 goyf turn 2

>>52239897
Go play edh you fucking autist

>>52236785
just play BGX already

>>52239897
Tell us why so we cab laugh at you

>>52239973
>>52240069
>liking Modern
>liking this 80% aggro/midrange/ramp format

Kys, underclassmen.

>>52240136
Epic green text
>muh draw go

>>52239741

Until you realize you put it sideways in your graveyard so you can always read the GY-only spell

Function > form

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>>52240136
Aggro, you say?

>>52240136
go back to standard fagot

>>52240368
>shilling this hard

flash back was already better in function u cunt

>>52240397

>shilling

no, I'm saying it's just not "THE CARD IS HALF NORMAL AND HALF SIDEWAYS LOOKS STUPID MAKES NO SENSE"

being able to see it in your graveyard without spreading that bitch out is more functional than having to look back through all that shit or separate your graveyard piles which technically are not supposed to be rearranged. It looks silly in your hand but it seems like you only ever look at half the card at a time. cast the top half from your hand, sideways half from grave

Also
>Flashback was more functional
not in a a game zone sense which is literally what im talking about

>>52240464
But I put my exiled cards sideways in the graveyard

>>52240487

not anymore you don't, fucker

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>>52240487
>Putting them in your graveyard sideways rather than in a different exiled pile

>>52240464
>"THE CARD IS HALF NORMAL AND HALF SIDEWAYS LOOKS STUPID MAKES NO SENSE"
I never said it doesn't make sens. I said that this i absolutly ugly.
Stop trying to be a smartass.

>>52240501
I doubt I'll use any of these cards desu. Don't see them being any good. Wotc scared of good new mechanics

>>52233125
So i'm new to MTG- i sometimes play drafts.

I pulled a foil Linvala last night at a draft, and i sold it for $50 at the end of the night. Did I get ripped off? Is that a good price?

>>52240510
Lots of people put their exile under the yard in a different direction

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>turn 1 death's shadow
>turn 2, 2 more death's shadows

>>52240511

And I feel like people who are complaining about the aesthetic do so because they don't think about or understand the logistical applications of the bottom half

it's fine desu and will probably look aesthetic when you only see the bottom sticking out of your gy

last person I saw complain about it said "what was wrong with old split cards?" and that just means they don't understand the use

>>52240540
You got slightly ripped off but not much considering you got it out of your hands immediately and stores would credit you less. Use tcgplayer low-mid for face-to-face in burgerland and magiccardmarket prices in Europe.

>>52240550
>turn 1 death's shadow
It instantly dies...
That's a poor bait dude...

>>52240582

>not doing t1 fetch shock street wraith street wraith street wraith deaths shadow

what are you, a pleb?

>>52240615
>t1 fetch shock
>street wraith x 4
>gut shot x 4
>death's shadow

>>52240615
Nice meme though.

>>52240576
Tcgplayer said $49.99, but had no price history. What's the actual market value of the card?

>>52235834
>>52236655
Honestly this seems like the most obtuse way to play a game. Congrats on making it work though.

>>52240752
Not sure how you got 50$ considering the cheapest one listed at the moment is 59.46. Mtggoldfish is good for checking overall prices
https://www.mtggoldfish.com/price/Innistrad/Liliana+of+the+Veil

>>52236630
Got a list storm guy?

>>52237057
How do you like it?

>>52240540
I'm seeing foil Linvala at $112 USD. You didn't exactly get ripperipped off, because $50 is about what an lgs would give you and I'm assuming you got cash. But you could have sold it for more, I would expect about $80- $90 cash for it.

>>52240789
Linvala, not Liliana.

Running temur Kiki with
3 evolution
3 chord
3 coco
Spicy as fuck. Faster than Kiki chord

>>52240826
Oh fuck me then, you still got slightly ripped off, wouldn't have sold below 60 myself.

>>52240881
What is this page saying then?

http://shop.tcgplayer.com/magic/modern-masters-2017/linvala-keeper-of-silence

>>52240854
>Faster than kiki chord
So is everything

>>52240615
Happens more than people think, when probe was a thing this happened all the time

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>>52240550
>turn 1 shadow
>frogposting
Just kill yourself senpai

>>52241369
Kek true that

>>52240689
>Plains
>PtE
gg next game?

>>52241140
Well the cheapest listing is 60 and there aren't too many of them so you could have just said take it or leave it and the guy would have taken it since he doesn't have to pay postage f2f.

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>>52233337
I just found my BW tokens deck today, it had been hiding for a little over a year.
>tfw I ran 4x Surgical Extraction in my sideboard to hate on twin decks.

>>52242140
>fetch swamp
>inquisition, play goyf
>your turn ;)

>>52235331
I think that 3 is the right number of lilis for most decks.

>>52242484
Goyf costs two. This is turn 2. Your cannot iok and goyf. Go meme somewhere else

>>52242698
Path gets you a land, retard

>>52242698
>path deaths shadow
>path to exile
>path to get a basic land out of your deck so 3 mana turn 2
>path to your mums house
>path to your a fucking tard

>>52242775
>>52243012
You're gonna pay 2 to fetch?

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Only 90's kids remember

>>52237043
What's wrong with hatebears?

>>52240464
You still have to spread the gy out dipshit if you get more than one of these ugly fucking things in there

>>52240558
You dumb nigger, the old split card would have worked just fine. No matter how you try to """"logic"""" this design, from an artistic perspective it is hideous. Both halves are crammed together and look cramped, not to mention the stupid fat border on the bottom makes the bottom card smaller then the top and makes it visually unappealing.

>>52242689
I agree. I run three and don't have too much troubles.

Would the following creature be good enough for modern play

>Snappy Lizard Mage
>1UG, 1/2
>Flash
>When ~ enters the battlefield, you may cast target instant or sorcery with cmc <1 without paying it's mana cost. If that card would be put into a graveyard this turn exile it instead

I want it to hit sorceries but it'd be busted with AV

>>52243494
Why don't you fuck off back to your containment thread you retarded nigger faggot?

>>52243494
Why would you not play snapcaster instead? He's more versatile, costs the same to cast with 1 CMC spells and has better stats

>>52240813
It's very solid. It has pretty good midrange match up, is faster than ad naus and titanshift, but loses to affinity hard game 1. Burn is fairly easy because once you establish a finks, it's almost impossible to lose.

Pretty bad eldrazi tron match up, too simply because it isn't fast enough and they don't care about infinite life because they can deck you with Newlamog

>>52243835
>is faster than ad naus and titanshift
Through, you know, interaction? Lol nope.

>>52243855
Ad nauseum doesn't interact, fuck off you smug cunt

>>52243835
>they don't care about infinite life because they can deck you with Newlamog
Are you not running recap?

>>52243942
Are you illiterate?

>>52243855
It's a good thing abzan coco runs, you know, 8 different grab spells and has threatening creatures almost every turn

>>52243960
Nope. Maybe learn to express yourself better if that isn't what you meant

>>52243970
The only actual stand-alone threats the deck has are Scooze, Finks and Thune, which by Modern-standard especially in AD 2017 are fairly mediocre. If your opponent can point basically anything at your creatures, can hate the yard or hell has something as simple as Pithing Needle on Viscera Seer you're not comboing ever unless you hit christmasland with back-to-back Companies. With Valakut and Nauseam the games become questions of "do you have very specific answers if not I win" whereas coco just folds vs anything that runs even a resemblance of creature interaction or goes bigger after turn 3-4.

Played Ponza against Abzan earlier. Damn son it was a fucking blowout. T2 destroy land, T3 destroy land, T4 start slamming fatties. Stormbreath Dragon was unanswerable.

>>52243855
You do realize that Abzan CoCo can literally CoCo / Cord into one of their 50 hatebears to shut down combo decks?

Ad Naus has literally no interaction besides pact of negation, leylines and very specific interaction out of the sideboard that doesn't hit creatures.

Titanshift is even easier to shut down than Ad Naus, since it's a lot more all-in and has more weak points to be disrubted.

I suggest you check out mai husbando Ari Lax's 1 week old Abzan CoCo video for SCG for some more insight on the deck before you spout your uneducated trash opinions.

You should have time to set up combo most of the time for free after slight disruption.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3KjKwVdi3dU

>>52244173
>>52243942
He wasn't talking between said decks but versus an unknown opponent. Abzan coco is infinitely easier to disrupt than Ad Nauseam or make land drops and win.dec

>>52244245
>toolbox decks with a combo win are easy to disrupt
Are you retarded?
Have you not been here when pod was legal?

>>52239220
The thread about it is still up I think man. Anyways the first half says something along the lines of "destroy all creatures with 3 power or greater" and the second half says " this can only be cast from the graveyard, return all creatures with 2 power or less from your graveyard to your hand"

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>everyone talking about how unbeatable is twin
>managed to win 6 lgs modern events in a row with this back during twin days

Just abuse the shit out of flavor of the month players that can't pilot their deck for shit, take advantage of the meta

>>52244437
>6 lgs modern events in a row
How did the twin players not just beat you after seeing it G1?
How did the twin players not just beat you after seeing you play that card and win the first modern event?
Why would you go on the internet and tell lies?

>>52244137

Ponza is just so sweet

>>52244489

Read the last part of my post and you'll understand why. One thing is to play a deck and another much different is knowing how to play it

>>52244437
I was playing Boros Burn at the time, and splashed Black for Rakdos Charm.

>>52244489
A lot of people during the height of the Twin era just picked up the deck because it was good (much like shitty Miracles players). All they think about is digging for the combo and windmill slamming that shit. They never thought about alternate lines of play.

>>52244502
>Ponza
This triggers me so much. Ponza is not synonymous with land destruction. The original ponza deck only ran 4 LD spells.
Supposed to be equal parts crust (lands) meat (creatures) and cheese

I almost spent £10 on a modern masters booster and I dont even play modern

spent it on snacks instead

can i get a mdeal

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>>52244717
>getting fat instead of pulling that foil goyf

>>52244733
Apologithe

>>52244717
I took the money I was going to buy a box with and got a new king- sized bed instead. What do I get?

>>52244839
if I'm getting a medal I think you deserve a trophy

Why cant I seem to win with Abzan. Nothing i seem to be doing feels as powerful as anything else in modern

>>52244898

Abzan CoCo or Junk? What it could be is that you might be trying to play a "fair" deck in a meta that preys on fair decks. Post list.

>>52244898
Probably because you're bad at magic

>>52244839
>king size bed
>$200

Enjoy your infested concrete slab

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>>52244938
I just feel like all my spells aren't lining up properly. I've been trying all the different lists but none of them feel powerful.

>>52244951
Probably

>bring a mono B shitbrew to FNM
>plays annoying things like Smallpox, Wrench Mind, Haunting Echoes and Extirpate
>tryhards that bring tiered decks to almost casual FNM's attended by new players rage when you mess with their gameplan
>new players see your cards and discover cool things, play for fun

Wish I could be a new player again

Hold me tight,/tg/

>>52245103
I'm sure the people with real decks are fine and it is you who is a poor sperg. Kys

>>52245138

>tron guy plays tron land, passes
>play smallpox
>guy grumbles and sacs it
>i extirpate it next turn
>guy goes berserk about "WotC printing more and more shit to fuck up lands"
>scoops on t3

You tell me who's the sperg

>>52245205
You. The one lying on the internet

>>52245230

Oh no that's mean :(

>>52245205
tronlets, when will they learn
>double ssg to crumble his tower on turn 2
>initiate SPERGRAGE.exe
>store worker playing in event sitting next to us has to tell him to calm the fuck down
>lol internally

Kiki-Jiki Mirror Breaker

Posting my 4-0 list again cause I need suggestions.
Land (19)
2x Breeding Pool
1x Island
4x Misty Rainforest
2x Overgrown Tomb
4x Polluted Delta
1x Swamp
3x Verdant Catacombs
2x Watery Grave
Creature (17)
4x Death's Shadow
2x Griselbrand
3x Gurmag Angler
4x Hooting Mandrills
4x Street Wraith
Instant (11)
1x Abrupt Decay
3x Dismember
3x Manamorphose
4x Thought Scour
Sorcery (13)
3x Eldritch Evolution
2x Inquisition of Kozilek
4x Serum Visions
4x Thoughtseize

Cut Iona, wasn't spectacular. More of a sideboard Card. Already run Elesh, is there any other fatty I can Eldritch into that is a silver bullet against any tier 1 decks? Maybe Blazing Archon against DSJ?

>>52244975
>brand new $1500 plush pillowtop king- sized matteress with $300 knocked off and financed
>infested concrete slab

Enjoy your futon in your mothers' basement.

>>52245035
Yeah, Junk is not what I would bring to this meta. You have half of Death's Shadow already, bring that or Affinity for a while.

>>52245540
>used the money to buy a bed
Literally what you said.
>he needs to finance a bed

>>52245416
That's unplayable jank, senpai.

>>52245556
Yeah? I $200 cash to buy a bed. I did, in fact, use the mo

>he needs to finance a bed
I don't need to, I wanted to. Why do you care, anyway?

>>52245653
Because poor people need to be purged

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just got home from mm3 draft. got junk but had tons of fun with dinrova horror.

>>52245725
Yikes

Is Knightfall worth putting together? I have 90% of the deck right now and it looks like fun.

>>52245035
First of all, Grim flayer is bad. Like u know he's supposed to be the new hotness but seriously, more often than not he's a 2/2 for 2 with slight upside. Playing main deck Spellbomb is also kind of embarassing unless your meta is literally full of graveyard decks. Hierarch is not necessary in the deck, sure it feels sweet to slam liliana on turn 2 sometimes but being more explosive is not what your deck wants, Exalted is also irrelevant in the lingering souls deck. Play more bobs and more proactive spells. Rhino optional.

>that card you love but isnt played anywhere
What's her name ?

>>52246324
Fires of Undeath is my literal waifu, but it is fucking terrible. I can't even meme and put a copy in my sideboard it's so worthless.

But I have several copies I take care of as well as any of my real money cards.

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>>52246316
>Grim Flayer is bad
EL EM AY OH IT'S NOT 2015 ANYMORE FAGGOT TAKE YOUR MEEMEE RHINO AND SHOVE IT UP YOUR ASS

>>52246324
Cephalid Constable

>>52246383
I would rather not have to jump through hoops to get value and have to play sub optimal cards in my deck to do so. Like I said, rhino is optional.

>>52246383
Why do men shave their moustache like that? Halfway from the nostrils. Like fucking stupid

>>52236655

4 player cycle 3 antlion is one of the most challenging engaging and rewarding video game experiences I've ever had

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>>52241575
>having a favorite color

autism

>>52247029
t. precious special princess snowflake

>>52241575

>U/G
>they're okay

UG are exclusively the most autistic players in the entire game

>>52247158
>replying to this image

>>52241575
>WG
>women
i love selesnya and im a sissy, nice.
play a lot of UB recently so that fits. nice.

>>52244673
why is it even called Ponza?

>>52247462
Ponza is slang for calzone or pizza, hence anons mention of meat crust and cheese

>>52247507
hm had no idea. kinda cool how names like that come up.

>>52247585
in times past all decks were named after food. if eldrazi were a deck in 1999 it would have been spaghetti and meatballs

>>52247714
Love me some cephalid breakfast

>>52247714
I'm very glad we do not live in those times anymore.

>>52247714
ravnica and shards ruined magic and now we got some harry potter abzkaban shit

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>>52247911
>official names for color groupings ruined my idiotic and archaic naming conventions and outdated jargon.

Cry about it more, grandpa.

>>52247957
>being so fucking asspained that people making up names for their pile of children's cards makes you upset

>>52236616
did wee dragonauts get banned or something?

dunno why you would bother with prowess when kiln fiend and wee dragonauts exist

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>>52248388
Fuck me, i thought this was the pauper thread

my point still stands

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Fucking. Kill me.

>>52248814
That will be worth something real soon. I've got a brew that will break the meta

>>52248814
Don't you know that Seance is totally a Modern staple? It's played in every White- centric deck in the format!

>pulled a foil goyf
>barely made back my money, paid 190
Literally fucking how is that even possible, I know there some fuck out there who got a past in flames instead and is hanging from his ceiling fan

>>52248814
Averaging 2 foul rares a box, there's only a 32% chance your foil rare is one of the 10$ rares.

>>52248814
One more reason to buy from the chinamen friend

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>>52249234
Please kill yourself so much

>>52249234
where is the chinaman friend these days?

>>52249440
Villa zheng

>>52249245
Someones mad he wasted money of cardboard rectangles.

Stay mad retard

>>52249771
You traded your paper rectangles of no value for cardboard rectangles of no value. What an idiot.

>>52246255
depends if you find not having a consistent winrate worth it

>>52246463

no joke anon flayer sets up a pretty good topdeck imo and gets instant value vs souls. he is bad alone though and best with hierarchs

>>52249234
i don't even mind people who use proxies. tg chinamen faggots are just literally the crossfit vegans of nerds. you are all fucking obnoxious retards

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>>52249201
>mfw my faggot friend bought a case
>only good pulls are like 1 goyf, 1 lili
>foil past in flames
>it's okay because he's a huge faggot anyway

>>52247957
>>52248114
>BTFO

also fuck official naming conventions you unthinking peasant

>>52241575
>UR
>not the cool ass players who like trying out funky builds

Forever a faggot-tier chart

>>52249890
>funky builds
>do nothing but demand twin be unbanned and won't settle for anything but UR being the best deck in the format

>>52249890
>fedora lord trying to call himself cool
It checks out

>>52249890
butthurt UR player detected

get checked for extra chromosomes my man

>>52249787
I mean I've been playing it online and it seems like it wins enough. I wouldn't say it has an inconsistent winrate by any means

>>52250024
still wouldn't find it worth it unless you already have the money pieces friendo, if you're just missing low value stuff then it's ok but i wouldn't dump money just for it

>>52250059
I said I had 90% of it kiddo I just need the knights and a couple more birdos

>>52250108
why ask

>>52250277
to get other people's opinion on the deck you autist

>>52250108
its a lot like kiki chord. playable, but too fair and clunky to actually be a good choice.

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>>52249928
>>52249939
>>52249944
S-STOP BULLYING UR! IT'S GONNA COME BACK, I PROMISE!

>>52250293
>gets opinion
>no

i already said it's bad and not worth financially you mongoloid. you need me to hold your hand too?

>>52250293
>>52250293
obviously you're not listening to them?

i wonder what it's like being so deep into the autism spectrum

>>52250108

What he's saying is
>you already have almost all the pieces
>therefore it is not actually a serious decision whether to flesh it out

Does living end have play to it? Or is it as linear as it looks

>>52250579
Until you're sideboarding, its more linear than burn. Even then, you just slam evoke creatures to take care of hate.

Probably one of the least interesting decks there is.

>>52250369
>already said I have most of the deck
>It's not financially worth it hurr hurr
>said I found it decent in testing
Dunno why you're so asshurt you fag. If you would have just read the first post more thoroughly you could have saved yourself the trouble of posting.

>>52250451
One person who didn't even read the first post doesn't really count you fucking retard kill yourself

>>52250347
Thank you for an actual opinion


>>52250491
It'd still run me ~70 bucks so i think it's somewhat serious decision.

>>52250609
>I've never played the deck

>>52250625
I played the deck for almost 2 years. that's about all it does.

>>52250634
not an argument

>>52250644
this >>52250625 is also not an argument

>>52250664
not an argument

>>52250615
>It'd still run me ~70 bucks so i think it's somewhat serious decision.

make up your damn mind just don't get butthurt when people call it out for the shit deck it is you nigger

>Dunno why you're so asshurt you fag. If you would have just read the first post more thoroughly you could have saved yourself the trouble of posting.

lol learn to read

>>52250615
>It'd still run me ~70 bucks so i think it's somewhat serious decision.

this isn't leddit the circlejerking you dunning kruger

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>>52241575
>B/G Master Race
Chart checks out.

>>52250776
>Professor_approves.png

i used to unironically like him before he started showing his face in his videos and making sketches

>>52250756
>telling me to learn to read

>>52246255
You're the one who didn't read the post you mong
>>52250059

>>52250767
>it's not a serious decision whether to flesh it out
>it'd still run me some money
>THIS IS LEDDIT HURR
kys

>>52250828
>GUISE what do i do with my $70 xDD
>THIS IS SRS REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

>>52250882
>I didn't read so I'll just have to post an r9k tier greentext in response
>yeah that'll show em
kys retard

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Why does the modern thread literally never have any good discussion and it's always just a few autists arguing back and forth on strictly subjective shit with some "ban (card that doesn't need a ban) cause its vintage level" or "(x deck) is (not the actual deck type)" shitposts peppered throughout? Like people post here all the time and no one ever fucking helps, they just call them a retard, can't we just actually have a fucking civilized discussion about fucking modern and help each other oout instead of arguing all the time and making each other feel bad?

Just came in second at a 3k Modern Open Hosted by Face to Face up here in Toronto playing Burn. Lost to Death's shadow in the final round because I'm retarded. It felt pretty good though, because I know just about every other thing I did all day was a misplay, but I ended up fucking winning anyways making it to the final round and was my first time in a Modern top 8.

>>52251011
it's a meme you dip, nobody is serious about the vintage level mox/ssg shitposting. It's obvious bait meant to farm (you)'s

>>52251078
Yeah I know it's shitposts but it's pointless and ruins the threads, and the retarded arguing over pointless shit is my main complaint

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>Horizon Canopy will never be reprinted in your lifetime

>>52246316
>i'mplying you are playing fucking Heirarch in Abzan for the exalted trigger

Is it possible to be this bad?

Have you ever casted a turn 2 Lili on the play? It's kinda decent

>>52251185
But anon, It did.
Did you not draft loads of Oath of the Gatewatch™ like every other Magic™ player.
It was a fun™ set that was really integral to the story of Magic: The Gathering™ Without it we could never have introduced the Gatewatch™ and we might still be doing 3 set blocks. Can you imagine how awful that would be? I mean what would the standard players do? They can't handle any more than 500 cards in standard at once, any more and someone might get confused.

why does matching card quality and set matter? If someone thoughtsiezes you and doesn't take the second copy you draw on your turn, just play the one they DO know about.

I don't understand what's the big deal about it.

>>52251264
In all honesty 2 set blocks feel really shitty

You don't get enough time to work with certain mechanics and ideas in a set. You just jump between planes too fast.

And from a story perspective it feels shit because so far every 2 set block has been

>set 1: "oh no theres a problem"
>set 2: "we beat it"

>>52251303
But anon, 3 set blocks are too long. If we spend thee sets on a plane, the players might get bored and be less inclined to buy packs of Magic: The Gathering™

>>52241575
Apparently I'm Chinese. But besides BW, my 3 favorite dual color combinations are the Master Race ones so I guess it checks out

>>52251011
Literally no, that can't happen. Not here, not on 4chan. If you want to talk seriously about modern, make irl friends at your LGS. This is where people come to shitposting about modern. People are here to troll and be retards. I gave up on having actual discussion here, and you should too, you retarded nigger. Also Buy chinamen you faggot cuck.

>>52241575
>tfw boros master race
Red White Pride world wide my dudes

do I even want serum visions in esper draw-go? I'm currently running 3 alongside 4 Think Twice and 4/3 of Esper Charm and Cryptic

it just feels really bad to draw when I already have 5-7 cards in my hand

>>52251294
Do people actually pay that much attention when thoughtsiezing? Most players tend to writ down the names of the cards because they are too dumb to remember on their own. I know I sure as hell don't remember what card my opponent reveals off my goblin guides unless I write it down or it is some real dangerous threat that will fuck me up
I like to try and get all of my cards from the same set because I'm autistic.

>>52251408
Yes

>>52251294
>card quality
Should be self explanatory. Order a playset, three are nice with just a few chips on the edges and maybe some bend in them. The fourth is color faded and looks like a fake, but it's probably not because there's a tear down the middle that reveals some blue paper.
It'll play fine in a sleeve, but it's still ugly.
At the point between "Near Mint" and "Lightly Played" it genuinely doesn't matter, and 90% of "Heavily Played" cards are still fine.
>set
I match artworks, and set is an easily codified way of marking this. Gatherer does it, but we'd need to be checking artists to even somewhat confirm identical art.
>had two playsets Dispel at one point
>five from Zendikar, three from Ravnica
>swapped a Zendikar for a friend's Ravnica just so I was four and four, which made it easier to confirm if I had a full set or part of it.
Also some printings of cards are disgusting. White boarders come to mind.

>>52251367
The problem is, a lot of people that play modern in LGS tend to suck, use shitbrews (and pretend to be brewers with "keen" insights into the format) or just dickride e-celebs (usually saffron or Travis "Honorary Aryan" Woo).

MTGS is a 50/50 and don't even think about reddit. Actual MTG discussion is a crap shoot unless you get into a pro discord.

Someone help me break Splended Reclamation and I'll sleeve it up and play it at FNM this week

(Don't own Through the Breaches or Scapeshifts, but I have every single other modern staple)

>>52251408
You don't want more than 3 and if you think you're having issues with it I'd cut it down to 2. The deck runs enough draw that it can just brute force it's draws and you want to be operating at instant speed too.

Also you should be running 4 charm, it's the reason to be in esper in the first place

>>52251486
So let's use my example:

I have 4 Birds of Paradise. One is from Ravnica, two are from Conspiracy 2, and the other is from something else. One of them is heavily played.

I'm not letting my opponent in on extra information by playing these, right? I'd hate to dish out another $30 just to get a matching playset of a card I already have.

I'm not one to get irritated by non-matching cards.

>>52251496
I've actually tried this a little bit, and it's difficult to break. Honestly the best I could think of, is, self mill/gifts ungiven/past in flames and valakut. If you're gonna slam a shit ton of lands onto the board you might as well end the game with it. The problem is it's not really an improvent over the other combo decks in modern. It's not really faster on more consistent than say ad nauseum or scapeshift, and it's easily hated out with any standard anti-GY package. For now I think it's relegated to commander.

>>52251503
I meant to say that I was running a 4 and 3 of Esper charm and Cryptic respectively

versus other blue control decks I'd want to use the draw to keep card advantage instead of making them discarding right?

>>52251486
I'm working on a way to white border cards, so half of my deck is white bordered entirely, and the rest have inconsistent border whitness. Oh! And I try to vary up the printings too.

>>52251408
You want 0 (zero) cantrips in a modern control deck. esper charm and think Twice are pure card advantage at instant speed, run 4 of each.

>>52251509
I only consider it from a card buying/trading standpoint. There is certainly an advantage to having identical cards, but unless you're competing for a genuine prize (not FNM packs), I'm inclined to say it's not worth spending money on, because it's so minor.

It would be an odd situation where your opponent Thoughtseizes a second time because he realizes you drew a second copy. I'm not going to bother calculating the probability of that occurring. It should be pretty low, to the point where it's not worth spending $30 to remove the chance of outside of prize scenarios, as before.

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>>52251442
It also matters over the course of a whole match. If you fetch 2 basic island G1 that match, but G2 you play a basic island from your hand turn 1 that has different art, your opponent now knows you're running at least 3 basic islands. I mean, it's corner cases where this information matters, but it's there.

>>52251408
>>52251565
Basically in a pure control deck you want cards that do 3 things: answer threats (removal, counters, sweepers), generate card advantage (give flashback, draw cards, force opponent discard at a greater than 1 for 1 ratio), or end the game. Serum visions does none of those things, Cut it.

>>52251496
Play it with magmatic insight?

>>52251565
>You want 0 (zero) cantrips in a modern control deck
Both grixis and WUR should be running 4x serum visions, and if RUG or BUG were a thing in modern they would be as well. Esper is the most diverse of control decks so it depends on your exact list but most list should be running 3-4.

On mtgtop8 for Abzan Company, I'm seeing half the decks run Fiend Hunter as a 1 of in half the decks and Voice ran as a 2 of in the other half.

Through playtesting, I've found Voice to be great in match ups where the opponent is removing a lot, has a lot of interaction, and has good value in a grindy match up, whereas I've had Fiend Hunter almost never help.

Is there a good reason for running Fiend Hunter as a 1-of over Voice? In what decks is that a better option?

>>52251602
Those aren't pure control decks though, they're not draw-go.

Why is Goyf's price barely moving when Lili has fallen like $35?

>>52251646
Nobody knows dude we're not fuxkin economics majors. Ask your dad.

>>52251625
Getting lucking and Hitting hunter off a CoCo after your opponent breaches Emerakul is nice... so long as they don't bolt it afterwards
Overall I think voice is a billion times better

>>52251599
That's a cool idea

What's the one Dredge Loam runs that they can pitch lands to deal damage?

>>52251661
>lucking
lucky*
im drunk

>>52251602
Esper doesn't want more than 2 and you only want two if you need to sculpt a hand early.

Esper is much different than jeskai and grixis and it shows in the the deckbuilding. You run 4 think twice and 4 esper charm and those are enough and more importantly they're instant speed.

>>52251661
And what is your opinion on Tireless Tracker vs Orzhov Pontiff in the main? Is Pontiff more of a sideboard card?

I wanna play GRIXIS CONTROL

>>52251716
then play it nerd

>>52251716
You're in luck then, it's the best control deck in the format if you exclude turbo karn

>>52251716
It's not tier 1 but it's not a bad deck. Watch some Corey burkhart and get to work.

>>52250988
>best response is kys

i don't even have to try my man

I have 2 Innistrad snapcasters

should I get a full set of 4 Innistrad snaps?

>>52251666
There is Molten Vortex and Seismic Assault
The latter is *Probably* the one you want
Make sure to run Valakut too for extra value
Hell when you start ramping you can probably hardcast Borborgamos Enraged and just nuke it.

>>52251707
I don't actually play CoCo, my firend does. Both cards fill different roles. Tracker is for beating face and drawing cards, Pontif is for oppressing decks that try and go wide. Like all toolbox combo decks, your meta effects the shit you play 100%

>>52251755
So you want a playset of innistrad snaps?

>>52251755

get one RPTQ, one inn, one MM17 and an altered one to tilt your opponents

>>52251721

I'm waiting for Scalding Tarns to bottom out.

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>>52251781
is control still even alive thoughfeels like it'll lose to le epic t4 meme format

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>>52251781
Cool story bro.

>>52251807

IDK but it looks fun to play, I need Snapcaster to come down too.

>>52251646
Hot opinion here: Lili has long been overhyped and holds value because of price memory.
When people get lucky enough to draft a Lili, they realize this. Without a Punishing Fire (RIP) or alternatives, including graveyard strategies/decks that can topdeck and win, her +1 does not work, and LotV just turns into 1BB "target player sacrifices a creature"

Don't get me wrong, it's a great card still. But I'm willing to believe that price memory has played a great deal in her retaining value, because performance-wise, she really only slots into Jund/Junk, esper + legacy options.
That shouldn't be enough to sit at $50+ value.

>>52251916

What's price memory? Something is worth X because that's just how it's always been?

Should I slot in Stony Silence into my sideboard if I'm already running 2 Pithing needles, 3 artifact/enchant removal, 5 hard removal and a Kataki?

>>52251970
Yeah. For example if someone bought lili at $100 and feels that what it is worth, they won't sell their lili for below $100 even if they're not using it. So even if a card drops in popularity it doesn't go down in price.

>>52251970
Yep.
Channel fireball actually has a decent article on it.

>>52251970
Essentially people are jews, and they always wanna make a buck so very rarely are you gonna see someone sell a card for less than they bought it for.

>>52251986
Depends what deck you're playing. Is the 3 artifact/enchantment removal spot removal or destroy all artifact type removal?

>>52252002
>People are Jews
>Jews aren't people
Weird how that works out

>>52251986
Unless you're particularly afraid of affinity because it's somehow the only deck you pose to then that seems a bit overkill.

>>52251986
what deck is that even

stony also slows down ad nauseam a lot

>>52251916
i actually agree with you anon but i think she's just a bit less overhyped than you do. She's still a walker that can take over the game on her own if she gets to ult

>>52252021
go back to /pol/

>>52252049
>>52252020
Abzan CoCo

The decks that I play against at my LGS are Nahiri stax, Grishoalbrand, Bogles, BW Tokens, Soul Sisters and Grixis control.

My Needles are actually Revokers. Affinity is my worst match up out of all of these and as long as I land enough hate for it, I beat that match up.

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>Green Sun's Zenith still banned
>but Traverse the Ulvenwald? That's a-okay.

>>52251999
>>52252000
>>52252002

So is Goyf actually worth $80 or is it likely to drop?