Naval Wargames General

>>52222795
>Off Okinawa, Poncho Miller, the boss of the lookouts, reported calmly, "Jap Betty (a bombing plane) is directly overhead."
>"Signal it to keep going," was the reply.

RIP in peace swayback maru

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>>52226405
Not enough Pagoda Senpai, not nearly enough Pagoda!

MOS! DISHONARABRU!

Pagoda must hold entire population of home islands!

>>52226804
I lost my shit at the rocket Pagoda.

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Get fucked Carrier Group.

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NO! I don't have a small penis!

Why do you keep asking?

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So after a couple boring U-boat games not worth posting I’ve just had another lucky break. Here’s USS Sturgeon.

December 41: Philippines

Sturgeon was on patrol when the war started.

On December 21, she encountered the armed merchant Gokoku Maru (10400). She fired four torpedoes. All hit, all duds. She was then driven off by aircraft, although she was not damaged.

On December 23, she encountered the freighter Tatsumomu Maru (900) with escort. She fired four torps. All hit, two exploded. Sturgeon was not detected by the escorts.

On December 25, she encountered BB Nagato. Closing undetected, she fired four torpedoes at her. Although two were duds, the other two hit her magazine, sending her sky high (one crit, one rolled max damage)

During transit to Australia she was attacked by aircraft, but dove in time.

LCDR Anon received the Navy Cross for his actions.

>>52228014
February 42: Java Sea.

Transit was uneventful.

On 12 February, Sturgeon encountered a convoy. She snuck in and fired four torps at Sagami Maru (7200). Three hit, all were duds. Sturgeon escaped successfully and returned the following night, repeating the same tactic. This time, two exploded, sinking her. Sturgeon returned again to target the Nekka Maru (6800), and three torpedoes exploded and sunk her. On 15 February, Sturgeon returned a final time to attack the armed merchant Kamogawa Maru, sinking her with the one torpedo that hit and exploded. However, the escorts detected her and attacked, injuring part of the crew and disabling half her forward torpedo doors.

On 17 February, Sturgeon encountered the Anyo Maru (9300) with escort. She fired four torps, three of which missed and the last was a dud. Sturgeon escaped undetected, but lost contact.

On 19 February, the Pharmacist’s Mate treated a case of appendicitis, becoming more skilled.

On 23 February, Sturgeon encountered the Koan Maru (3200) with escorts. She fired four torps, three of which hit and two of which were duds, but still sunk her. Sturgeon got away safe.

Her transit home was uneventful. LCDR Anon received the Silver Star.

>>52228038
April 42: Solomons

Transit was uneventful

On 14 April, encountered Keizan Maru (2900) with escorts. Sturgeon fired four torps, with three hitting but all were duds. The escorts spotted her, and attacked, destroying the AA gun.

On 23 April, she encountered the minelayer Tsugaru with escorts. She fired four torps. Three hit, but two were duds. However, Sturgeon escaped undetected to strike again the following night, where she hit with two (one dud) and sunk Tsugaru, before escaping undetected again.

Transit home was uneventful.

Sturgeon’s chief engineer had grown quite skilled.


June 42: Solomons

Transit was uneventful.

On 24 June, she encountered the Daizen Maru (5400) and Shinryu Maru (4900) with escorts. However, the escorts detected Sturgeon on approach and attacked. The initial barrage took out the dive planes and punctured the fuel tanks, later salvos damaged a diesel and the AA gun, as well as causing serious flooding. However, Sturgeon managed to make it out alive, although the dive plane and fuel tank damage was irreparable, forcing her to abort patrol.

Her transit home was uneventful.

>>52228077
August 42: China Sea.

Transit was uneventful

On August 11, encountered Fukushu Maru (1500) alone and sunk with deck gun.

On August 13, encountered Ganges Maru (4400) and Thames Maru (5900) with escorts. She fired two torpedoes at each, and all hit, but the hits on Ganges Maru were both duds. She was then detected and attacked, causing hull damage and putting the deck gun out of action.

On August 15, she encountered Sana Maru (3400) alone and fired four torpedoes at her. All hit and three exploded, sinking her.

On August 18, she encountered a convoy. She snuck in and fired four torpedoes at the Toho Maru (4700). All hit, but three were duds. The single success sank her. However, she was then detected and attacked, the damage disabling many systems and flooding forced LCDR Anon to surface and scuttle Sturgeon. He was then taken as prisoner for the rest of the war.


Fucking dice got me. Started off with boxcars for escort detection, and never rolled under 9 after that. Still, it was a good run for Sturgeon. 11 ships for 77100 tons. Live fast, die hard, leave a good-looking wreck.

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TOO MUCH BORING SUBTALK!

BACK TO BOOOTTTTEESS!

>>52228147
Oh, did your spittle drip on your SWO-sweater?

>>52228128
I've been meaning to play that. What's it called?

>>52228983
Silent Victory. It's out of print, and the only copy on Amazon is $129.95, but you can download the rules free from Consim Press's website and get the VASSAL module for it to play it.

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>>52228976
U mad?

I've been looking at some larger scale stuff for WWII. Somehwere around 1/600 or 1/700 for destroyer or corvette actions, maybe even 1/300 for Torpedo boats. Is this feasible?

>someone made rules for playing S-Boats in Silent Victory
YES
https://boardgamegeek.com/filepage/130166/pigboats-s-class-expansion-pack
[pigboats intensify]

>>52229837
>go to see if there's something similar for The Hunters
>there is
ha ha time for shitbotes

https://boardgamegeek.com/filepage/118758/early-u-boats-v12

>>52229937
Shitbote time! This is U-60, a IIC.

September 39: British Isles

U-60 transited uneventfully.

On September 14, she encountered a small coastal vessel (1000 t) alone. She fired three torpedoes at it. All hit, but one was a dud.

Her transit home was uneventful.

November 39: British Isles

Transit was uneventful.

On November 13, she encountered another coastal vessel (800 t) alone. She fired two torpedoes, both hit and exploded.

During transit she dove to avoid air attack.

Jan 40: British Isles

Transit was uneventful

On Jan 12, she encountered the freighter Kumasian (5000 t) and fired three torpedoes at it. Only one hit, and failed to sink her, and U-60 was then sunk by aircraft when she attempted to make a second attack.


That was anticlimactic.

Hey, anon who was wanting a Brit sub game? Someone's done that for The Hunters.

https://boardgamegeek.com/filepage/129831/british-campaign-module

Does anyone have a photo or diagram of the inside of the gunhouse on the Bismark? I heard somewhere that the loading mechanism was really weird/over engineered but I have never seen any images of it.

>>52230254
Now a IIA, U-1.

April 40- Norway. (IIAs in these rules roll on a chart for what patrol date they get, either a Sep 39, April 40, or both).

U-1's transit was uneventful.

Arriving on-station in Norway, on April 12 she stumbled across the CA Belfast. Closing the range she fired her three fore torpedoes at her, but two were duds, failing to sink her. She managed to escape undetected, and followed the damaged cruiser until the next night, when she attacked again. However, her last two torpedoes were both duds, and although she escaped safely U-1's crew were very disappointed.

Her transit home was uneventful.

>>52230369
Looks pretty neat, shame there's no rolls for encounters with your opposite numbers.

>>52231124
There's 9 subs on the small freighter roster. Maybe steal the sub vs sub rules from Silent Victory for them?

Boat Bump

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>>52233033
I'd bump with this bote.

ha ha time for S-Boats

S-20 is go

December 41: Philippines

December 8, S-20 is attacked by a bomber. The bomb misses the ship, but shrapnel severely injures a crewman.

December 9. S-20 springs a fuel leak.

December 14, the hydrophones break down.

On December 18, S-20 is attacked again, but dives in time.

Transits home safely.

February 42: Solomons - Evacuation

S-20 is ordered to evacuate personnel from the Solomons and to rebase to Dutch Harbor in Alaska due to the Aleutian campaign.

During transit, one of her electrics breaks down but is repaired.

She successfully picks up her passengers and heads straight out, not intending to risk them. Her periscope fails but is repaired.

During transit, her #2 diesel fails twice but is repaired both times.

April 42: Kuriles - Recon

During transit her periscope breaks down but is repaired.

During her first attempt at recon she is attacked by a bomber, damaging the odd # tubes beyond repair and lightly injuring a crewman. Her second attempt is successful.

At night on April 12 she encounters the DD Natugumo and attacks with her two operational tubes. Both miss, but Natugumo cannot detect S-20.

On April 13, some of her batteries fail but they are repaired.

On April 16, she encounters the Nanrei Maru (2400) with escorts. She is detected trying to close, but manages to escape without damage.

During transit home, her radio and dive planes break down.

>>52230615
everything german was overengineered.

for example, the breech block of the german 105mm had 102 parts to it. The breech block for the US 105mm had 12.

>>52233311
July 42: Aleutians.

During transit her Diesel #1 breaks down but is repaired.

On July 9, she encounters the DD Ikazuchi (2000). She closes the range and fires four torps. Two hit, one is a dud, but it sinks her. S-20 is able to escape safely.

July 10, diesel #1 broke down again but is repaired.

July 12, spots the Aso Maru (3000) but is detected closing the distance, but manages to escape with no permanent damage. Her periscope fails later that night but is repaired.

July 16, spots the Byakuran Maru (900) with escorts. Fires 4 torps, hits with three, sinks her. She is detected but manages to escape with only minor hull damage and a dead crewman.

During transit home, her dive planes fail but are repaired.

October 42: Aleutians - Evacuation

During transit she springs an oil leak.

During her first pickup attempt she is forced to dive to avoid air attack. The second is a success.

During transit one of the air compressors fails but is repaired, and the boat springs another oil leak.

December 42: Aleutians - Evacuation

During transit diesel #2 fails but is repaired.

She successfully picks up her passengers.

During transit she springs an oil leak.

February 43: Aleutians

S-20 finally received radar.

Transit is uneventful.

On February 10, she spots the CL Yubari. She closes the range and fires four torps. One hits, but it strikes the magazine and sinks her. S-20 is detected, but dodges the initial depth charges before escaping.

February 16, she spots the CA Takao. Closing the range, she fires four torps. Three miss, and the one that hits fails to sink her. However, S-20 escapes undetected and comes back the next night to attack again. Two torpedoes hit, but one is a dud. The hit sinks Takao. S-20 manages to escape undetected.

One compressor and one electric fail in the transit home, but are both repaired.


>S-Boat kills 2 cruisers
[Lt. Anon smug intensifies]

>>52233595
April 43: Kuriles - Recon

Transit is uneventful.

S-20 takes pictures successfully.

On April 14 she encounters the CA Kako. She fires four torpedoes, two miss and one is a dud. S-20 escapes successfully but loses Kako the following day due to air compressor breakdown causing her to stop for repairs.

April 17, she encounters the Renzan Maru (5000 t) with escorts. She fires four torpedoes, two miss and one is a dud, and the hit fails to sink her. The escorts spot S-20 and attack, causing some hull damage.

Her transit home is uneventful.

July 43: Kuriles

Transit is uneventful

On July 10 S-20 dives to avoid a bomber.

On July 13 she spots the Boko Maru with escorts. She is detected while closing and half her fore torpedo tubes are taken out of action.

On July 17 she spots the Kenzui Maru (4200) with escorts. She closes and fires two torpedoes, which sink her. The escorts attack, knocking electric 1 out of action and seriously wounding one of the crew.

On July 20 she spots the Tsuneshima (2900) with escorts. She closes and fires two torps, one of which hits and sinks her. She suffers hull damage and loses her radio and the other two torpedo tubes before she escapes. Air compressor 2 fails the next day, forcing S-20 to return home at half speed.

During the transit home, the ice box and dive planes break down.

November 43: Kuriles

During transit, the dive planes fail and the boat springs an oil leak.

On November 15, she encounters the armed merchant Nagoya Maru alone. She fires four torpedoes, two of which hit and sink her. Later that day, the periscope fails.

On November 18, she dives to avoid air attack.

During transit, her ice box fails.

For his accomplishments, Lt. Anon is promoted to LCDR Anon.

>>52233924
January 44: Kuriles

During transit, diesel 1 fails but is repaired.

On January 10, S-20 dives to avoid aircraft.

On January 13, the batteries are damaged but repaired.

On January 17, the periscope fails.

On January 19, S-20 encounters the Jinzan Maru (5200) alone. She fires four torpedoes, all of which hit and sink her.

Transit home is uneventful. For his successes in combat, LCDR Anon is assigned to war bond drives.


That went rather well. S-20 is the Pride of the Northern Seas.

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I'm playing a team based Naval game right now. Each person commands a ship. Pic related is our ability in visual form.

>>52234063
That sounds incredibly fun.

>>52233984
>S-20 is the Pride of the Northern Seas.
But S-Boats don't have caterpillar drives.

>>52226804

The One Giant Turret is hysterical.

>>52228014

Oh boy! RADM Anon and his sub squadron is back! Woo hoo!

Can't wait for my copy to arrive.

>>52229093

It is OOP and Amazon is high, but checks out the many FLGS which have web stores. I ordered a copy from The Citadel in Groton, CT for 74.99.

>>52229837
>>someone made rules for playing S-Boats in Silent Victory

Hey now, no need for S-boat hate. In Microprose's Silent Service II my S-boat was transiting between Java and Sumatra trying to make Australia after Manila fell and by some miracle SANK two IJN carriers!

It was one of those scary night surface encounters SS-II was so famous for. All of a sudden, I'm something like 800yds from two carriers and inside their DD screen. I fired all 4 forward tubes and crash dived. Apparently the shit torps of the period had a better if hitting at oblique angle so all four exploded and it was "Scratch two flattops" for the MoH.

Of course it was shit blind luck and an unforeseen glitch in the programming. I must have tried over 100 times to recreate that encounter all to no avail.

>>52234561
Who said anything about hating them? They're my favorite shitbotes.

>>52234379
Lols, I never noticed the Turret Pagoda!

>>52234172
It is actually pretty fun.

Currently our stupid asses are trying to sink a Revenge using:

A Greek Battleship with a jury rigged Radar
An early gen French Courbet Dread
A Rice-a-Roni Andy Dory
A Pensacola and two Bensons
A Takao and two shit russian destroyers.

Oh, and we are in rough seas. The enemy occupies the coast, and the coastal guns, which are shooting at us along with the enemy botes.

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I really hate aircraft in naval games.

>>52234063
What ruleset?

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>>52235298
Blame the retards that couldn't figure out that the Pearl Harbor was vulnerable against carrier based air raids even when basically all of their war games and exercises built around that scenario had ended with carriers doing a successful attack against Pearl Harbor and then fucking off before the defenders had time to react.

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>>52226804

>>52236015
Truly, she has ascended to pagod-hood.

>>52236221
>To achieve true enlightenment, one must first climb the One Thousand and One Great Ship's Ladders, to gaze out amidst the heavens.

>>52239128

Which ship is that? It's very interesting.

>>52240003
Looks like an Omaha-class light cruiser.

>>52235339
Custom ruleset that our GM works with. Works great, handles Pre/Dread/WW2 all together. Even does aircraft in a way that makes sense, although we don't have a carrier, yet.

>>52239128
>>52240003
It's an Omaha. They're glorious pieces of junk, and I dearly love running them with Clemson/Wickes dds because it looks like mama goose being followed by a bunch of goslings.

>>52240316
For the time, the Omaha wasn't that bad of a ship.

Just ordered some 1/600 Flower Class Corvettes and a Hunt Class DE. I will get some E boats and U boat for them to scuffle with eventually.

Any decent rule sets for such small scale actions? I was looking at Coastal Command but I can't seem to find the rules.

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>>52240563
Don't get me wrong, I like them. I just know that they were really uncomfortable ships that they had a very hard time keeping dry. Putting half the main battery in casemates was a weird compromise too. I appreciate them for their quirkiness and for them being the inspiration for pic related.

>>52240034
>>52240316

Wow, I don't know why I failed to recognize her. Especially considering the casemate guns below the bridge.

Thanks anons.

>>52240581

I think you can find CC thru the freewargamerules UK blog.

>>52240581
Avalon Hill did a U-Boat game, IIRC. Not sure how good it is, though.

And is this the Coastal Command you were looking for? Might have some difficulty fitting 1;600 in hexes. http://www.deepfriedhappymice.com/html/gw_coastal_command.html

>>52241018
Yeah but the main rules 404, I've got the expansions. I have no real idea what they're like.

I anyone knows a system where its more detailed but you control 1 or 2 smaller ships that would be what I'm after.

>>52241041
Oh ok, I didn't know it was hex based, i found some rather old forum links etc.

I guess it's Action Stations then. I'll probably have to cobble something together myself.

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So I've got a selection of Italian, German and Austro-Hungarian ships put together for the narrative campaign system.

In total you've got a choice of 25 ships across the 3 nations. Gonna roll up a campaign and we'll see how it goes.

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Here lads have a copy of Action Stations.

>inb4 watermarked

If any of your nerds could remove that it'd be grand, but I really don't care.

>>52241587
I can rip it off, but it will take me some time.

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"Whatta Mistake-ah to make-ah": The Unfortunate Tale of Admiral Bertorelli and the Regia Marina's Carribbean Squadron

Home Station: The Carribbean Sea
>100,000 tonnes of enemy shipping operating in this area.

Flagship:
>Pugliese, a Regina Margherita-class Battleship
Attending Squadron:
>Bartolo Valentini, a Pisa-class Heavy Cruiser
>Bonifacio Amato, a Nino Bixio-class Light Cruiser
>Antonio Sultana, a Nino Bixio-class Light Cruiser
>Rossa Raneri, a Nino Bixio-class Light Cruiser
>Intrepido, a Indomito-class Destroyer

Squadron Logistics
>Supply Rating:3 (21 days before resupply.)

Mission 1: Reconaissance
Admiral Bertorelli's first outing of the war was a largely successful one. Sallying forth from his home base in British-controlled Dominica, he directed his squadron to shadow German warships moving from the neutral Caribbean out into the North Atlantic to menace British merchant shipping.

After some over-zealous maneuvering by his light cruisers, Bertorelli found himself committed in a close-range cruiser battle, occasionally punctuated by long-range exchanges of fire between the enemy flagships. After identifying all of the enemy squadron, at the cost of 2 cruisers and his only destroyer, Bertorelli headed back to Dominica to lick his wounds.

Mission Results:
>11,780 tonnes of enemy shipping sunk.
>Bonifacio Amato damaged: Out of Action for 3 days.
>Antonio Sultana damaged: Scratched Paintwork.
>Intrepido damaged: Out of Action for 10 days.

Campaign Event:
>Terrors from the Deep: Morale of the Bartolo Valentini reduced by 1.

Player Actions:
>Crew Rating of the Pugliese increased by 1 to 7.
>Intrepido's repair time reduced by 4 days.

Time advances by 4 days.
>88220 tonnes of enemy shipping operating in the Caribbean Sea.
>Bonifacio Amato back in action.
>Intrepido out of action for 2 days.

>>52242419
Mission 2: Mine Clearance
British merchantmen report the deployment of a large-scale mine barrage by German cruisers across the straits between the islands of Haiti and Puerto Rico. The nearest Royal Navy squadron is raiding German shipping in the South Atlantic, so it falls to Admiral Bertorelli to clear the minefield.

While Bertorelli's squadron picks its way through the minefield, they are set upon by the minelayers, with the Derfflinger-class battlecruiser at the head of the squadron.

With his cruisers trapped in the middle of a minefield, Bertorelli lead a valiant charge against the Derfflinger and attending heavy cruisers with the Bartolo Valentini close behind.

After a brutal close-range knife fight, the Germans were driven off and the minefield cleared, at great cost to Bertorelli's already understrength squadron.

Mission Results:
>19,380 tonnes of enemy shipping sunk.
>Pugliese damaged: Out of Action for 6 days.
>Bonifacio Amato damaged: Crew Effectiveness reduced by 1.
>Rossa Raneri routed: Morale reduced by 1.

Campaign Event:
>Rats!: Intrepido's supply rating reduced by 1.

Player Actions:
>Pugliese's repair time reduced by 6 days.
>Morale of the Rossa Raneri increased by 1.

Time Advances by 3 days.
>68,840 of enemy shipping operating in the area.
>Pugliese back in action.
>Intrepido back in action.
>14 days until resupply.

>>52242419
>>52242864

A few questions.

Do Bertorelli's battleships steam faster than his destroyers? Why doesn't Bertorelli have more destroyers? Without mine sweepers, how does Bertorelli clear the minefield?

>>52243844
>Without mine sweepers, how does Bertorelli clear the minefield?
Paravanes? Small boats and divers?

Not really wargames related, but this is the most relevant thread I could find between here, /his/, and /k/.
Is there some kind of resource I can use to estimate sea travel times? I'm in the planning phase of a game in which the PCs will be serving on a carrier towards the end of an alternate WW2 and I don't want to just say "Okay, it takes X weeks to get from here to there."

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>>52244909
Distance to travel divided by boat's average cruising speed during the trip would probably the simplest way to do it.

>>52244909
There was a map,posted a few times that shows different periods of time say mid C19th to Mid C20th to current that showed the time it takes to reach places. There's a specific term for the type of map and I can't for the life of me remember the name.

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>>52244909
Isochronic is the term. Here's a map for 1914

>>52244909
https://sea-distances.org

Even gives alternate routes. Tack on a couple days for refueling/taking on supplies, though.

>>52245417
Noice.

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The French had the sexiest pre-dreadnought battleships.

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>>52246115

(x2)

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>>52246115

Mon nègre.

>>52245451
>>52245417
Sweet. Thanks.

>>52249319
That's Vancouver harbor, and Repulse, with Hood (not pictured) doing their round the world tour. You'd never recognize that identical shot today, Vancouver is insanely different.

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Last round of combat for my group:
Repairs are hurriedly carried out aboard the Bandai and Beowolf, with pipes being secured and compartments sealed, restoring a limited amount of flotation to the vessels as their pumps work overtime.

The Oberon and Inflexible fire at each other, neither vessel landing hits as the minutes draw by. The secondaries on the Oberon do manage to hit the Southampton however, although only causing superficial damage. The Revenge's main guns continue firing on the Oberon, but her gunnery continues to be off, and one of her aft turrets stops firing for a few minutes, the result of a jam most likely. The secondary battery does not have the same luck, and begins scoring hits on the Merda as she crosses by parallel to the Revenge. The six inch shells strike the Pensacola and knock out one of the secondary mounts amidships, starting a fire as some ammunition goes up in flames. More six inch shells rain down on the Merda as the Southampton joins in with her battery of 12 guns, and the north/central shore battery hits as well, causing significant structural damage to the cruiser.

Tortora's group responds, striking the Southampton with heavier 8 inch fire, but not finding any critical locations. The remaining secondary guns and destroyers do manage to silence the western battery on the Island in the channel, working over the dug in position with over a hundred rounds. Within minutes the battery stops firing.

The Revenge is rocked by several hits as the Skolopendra manages to bracket it. A large explosion occurs on the starboard side as two shells destroy several casemated six inch guns and the Revenge's two 4 inch AA mounts. Shrapnel from the hits blows out the Revenge's searchlights as well. Another shell strikes the conning tower of the Revenge, but the heavy armour shrugs off the mighty blow.
1/2

Three torpedoes race past the Oberon, but there is not enough time to warn the Skolopendra. Half a minute later a plume of water explodes upwards alongside the Salamis class, as one of the fish strikes her on the broadside, causing minor flooding belowdecks.

In the north, the Beowolf's main battery straddles the Kent, causing significant structural damage to the vessel, and knocking out her port torpedo launcher. The resulting explosion blows out part of the upper decks of the cruiser, causing severe casualties among her available crew. The seocndaries also add to the damage as they race in. The Kent returns fire, but her secondary mounts fail to strike the Beowolf. The main eight inch guns do hit, with one shell bouncing off the armour on one of the secondary turrets on the battleship. Another torpedo explodes against the hull of the Beowolf, but other then light flooding, does no additional damage.

The destroyers in the north fire on each other, with the Birjit Kraft scoring hits, and the Lejon taking fire from the British group. The Kent shudders as two torpedoes hit her, and smoke pours from her engine room yet she remains afloat

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Basically, we didn't have a great round, but we gave better then we got. Our mission objective is to sink the revenge.

>>52249436
>>52249467

For those wondering:
Skolopendra - Salamis BB /Cpt Klepp
Oberon - Courbet BB /Cpt Mackey
Beowolf - Doria BB /CptSemmes
Merda - Pensacola CA /CptTortora
Bandai - Takao CA /CptFukushima

The two CAs both have 2 DDs each accompanying them.

>>52229755
>I've been looking at some larger scale stuff for WWII. Somehwere around 1/600 or 1/700 for destroyer or corvette actions, maybe even 1/300 for Torpedo boats. Is this feasible?
IIRC there was a pact between all the Japanese model makers to reproduce every single IJN hull in 1/700th, so you should be good on that front.

>>52250647
They did that pact to piss of the British modelling companies, who worked in 1/600. Then there is Revell, who builds shit in 1/WhateverFitsInTheDamnBox.

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>>52249436
>>52249467

Stop, my penis can only get so erect.

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>>52227730
You think that's overcompensating?

The royal navy experimented with 16 inch single mounts... in the 1880s.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BL_16.25_inch_Mk_I_naval_gun

>>52251577

Excuse me, but - this chap here would like to have a word with you ...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caio_Duilio-class_ironclad

>>52251617
>one shot per fifteen minutes

>>52251634
>17.7 inches

>>52251577
>>52251634

"The great weight, low rate of fire and short life of less than 75 rounds meant that the guns were less than successful and were in fact never fired in action."

Look who's talking.

>>52251686
I'm not defending it. I will however say that it was breach loading and 11 tons heavier. So take that sphagettifags.

>>52243844
Best part of it all:
In the Battleship stats there's a line saying:
"Armored: Yes."

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>>52249378
You seem to know about this, can you tell us what timeframe we're talking about? Does it involve the naval station at Esquimalt at all?
Have a rare bote in exchange.

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>>52253575
http://hmshood.com/history/empirecruise/index.htm

They visited Victoria just prior to Vnacouver. I'd have to dig into the archives to find out if they made it to Esquimalt, or if they were in Victoria harbor proper.

Here is a photo from the Esquimalt archives, with Hood and Repulse at anchor in Victoria. I don't recognize the docks (it was 1924) so that pier could be in Esquilmalt perhaps?

>>52249436
>>52249467
What system are you running this in?

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>>52255047
I'm not running it. Our GM runs it, and the ruleset is a custom mish-mash of a few different ones. Campaign rules (economy) is entirely homebrewed. While the rules would allow for historical encounters, the home brew economy system makes it more of an alt-world RPG, which is what most of us like. It is why we are sailing in ships that sailed in different time periods, and with different nations.

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>>52255456
Any room for more people or are you full up?

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Airship, reporting in.

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>not having warships that can submerge

>>52257316

>obviously civilian airport, civilian paint sheme, no markings and civilians with baggage boarding in

>fuck ton of dakkas everywhere like its invasion day

i don't understand

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>>52257547
Why do Brits have the ugliest submarines in the wold?

>>52257593
It's Russian.

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>>52257603
Speak for yourself there Pilgrim.

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>>52257593
It's a photoshop of a real plane that didn't make it past the testing stages

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>>52257603
K Class had that bow to try and correct the suicidal diving tendencies the ship had. Slowed the rate of pitch/descent, and helped cut waves when steaming at fleet speed on the surface.

K Boats are probably the worst british subs anyway. If you look at the british Sub Force through WW2, they were damned impressive.

And sexy in their own way. Check out the curves on HMS Thorn.

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>>52257642
Any nation that is capable of producing something as ugly as this does not deserve to exist in this world.

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>>52257751
>>52257547

The british put a 12 inch Dreadnaught gun on a sub.

They deserve to exist.

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>>52257712

Sort of. Both your pic and the other are shops/riffs on the actual bomber. The first pic was crazier of the two though.

Here's an actual pic the real beast the artists started from.

>>52257746

Love the T-class with it's EIGHT forward tubes. (You only reload 6 of the 8 however.)

Wouldn't one of those be fun to use in an RN version of "The Hunters"?

>>52257833

Nice piece of counter-espionage by Kaiser Bill and the boys. Through judicious leaks, Germany convinced the UK it was building something similar so the UK wasted time & money developing their own version.

Even worse was the K-class. Before the war, Germany dropped hints about having subs which could keep up with her surface fleet. As with the later M-1, the UK began it's own project to develop subs with battle fleet surface speeds. The initial diesel design couldn't reach the necessary speed, so the UK began designing the STEAM DRIVEN K-class. Complete waster of time & money, I think they built more than 12 of the things.

>>52257751
>steam engines in a sub
fucking bongs

>>52257958
There's a fan brit thing which has S and U-classes. S has 6 bow tubes, U has 4 (and sometimes two more external).

>>52258114
>Complete waster of time & money, I think they built more than 12 of the things.

Submarines were in their infancy, having fast subs wasn't a bad thing to try. And they did make 23~24 knots, so they could keep up with the battle fleet (QEs etc) with no problem. From a technical achievement point, that's damn impressive. I don't think any other nation ever had faster subs in both Wars. (Submerged speed was another matter of course, but everyone was slow in WW1)

The class found favour with Commodore Roger Keyes, then Inspector Captain of Submarines, and with Admirals Sir John Jellicoe and Sir David Beatty, respectively Commander-in-Chief British Grand Fleet and Commander-in-Chief Battlecruiser Squadrons.

Despite this, an early opponent of the class was Admiral Jacky Fisher, later First Sea Lord, who on the class' suggestion in 1913 had responded 'The most fatal error imaginable would be to put steam engines in submarines.'

In defence of the design it must be said that submarine technology was still in its infancy, that development was still at a similar early stage, and that the use of weapon (or tactics) requires at least as much thought and practical trial as the first two. Of course with hindsight the initial concept of a submarine (which we see today as a stealth weapon) maneuvering within the confines of a surface warship formation is at best a risky proposition; to a surface warship of today, a submarine (any submarine) is more likely to be seen as a threat than an ally.

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>>52258114
Ahh yes, the old trick of fooling the enemy into building a better weapon than you.

That's how we got the F-15. Built to compete with a soviet fighter that never existed. And because of that, it's never been defeated in air to air combat.

>>52258776
>Ahh yes, the old trick of fooling the enemy into building a better weapon than you.

Yeah, Queen Elizabeth class, BL 13.5, BL 15, G3, N3, K2, Aircraft Carriers, HMS Warrior.

The list of things that the British were 'tricked' into developing just goes on and on...

They won two world wars, I guess the germans really showed those Poms a thing or two about Maskirovka.

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>>52257833
Gun-armed submarines are my fetish.

>>52258776
I wouldn't call buiilding 2 classes of floating death traps particularly good example ""building a better weapon than you".

>>52258776
>I wouldn't call buiilding 2 classes of floating death traps particularly good example ""building a better weapon than you".

This.

>>52258822

No one was calling the UK stupid.

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>>52258835
Not only did the Surcouf have 8 inch guns and a seaplane, it also had a destroyer style swivel torpedo launcher in the back.

Some James bond shit right there. Pity they didn't make more of them.

>>52258822
>>52258872
>Have less money than the enemy
>Leak fake plans to the enemy in order to bait them into wasting money
>Enemy develops weapon system superior to the one you didn't actually have
>Enemy has enough money to build them in addition to their conventional forces which already outnumber you by a wide margin
>lose the war
>Decades latter declassify documents revealing that it was all a ruse

Ha, I bet those Brits really feel foolish now!

>>52258872
German UBoat safety record wasn't all that great either during that period. I think more Ks were lost due to maneuvering in the battle of the Forth then any other action.

>>52257958
T-class so ugly it wraps back around into sexy again.

I wish French subs that weren't Sur-coffin got more love. Quite a few of them had trainable external mounts on either side of the sub that could be added to a front or rear salvo, or could be fired to port or starboard.

>>52258961
>>Enemy develops weapon system superior to the one you didn't actually have

Really? You want to pretend you're that fucking stupid? Really?

The idea behind the single M-class boat was a disaster and all she did was kill her crew. Operating the K-class was so fraught they were nicknamed the "Kalamity-class". Only one of the dozen or so every fired a torpedo at an enemy and it was a dud. The time and effort spent developing both classes resulted in nothing.

In both cases, Germany has some small success with maskirovka. I'm sure the UK pulled similar shenanigans too, before and during the war, and with pretty much the same limited effects. They prevented a zeppelin resupply mission to East Africa with phoney radio messages, for example.

The IJN made noises about building "supercruisers" for most of the 30s resulting in the US building the two, relatively worthless, Alaskas. The UK built the two Powerful-class cruisers in the 1890s thanks to overblown rumors surrounding Russia's Rurik class. It's something that has happened time and time again and all it means is someone is hedging their bets.

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>>52257746
>>52257751
>>52257603
The nose knows.

>>52259557
In both cases, they lost the war. Tricking your opponent into building super-weapons doesn't work when the enemy still has enough capacity to outproduce you with conventional weapons.
And in both cases, the Germans and Japs wasted a good potion of their own budget on worthless super-weapons that they unironicly believed would win them the war.

LOL I TROLL U, is not a sound militarily strategy.

>>52259665
>Tricking your opponent into building super-weapons

So, you are that stupid, huh?

The M and K classes weren't super-weapons. They were wastes of time and resources.

>LOL I TROLL U, is not a sound militarily strategy.

True, but it's part of the bag of tricks.

>>52259856
At the time, a 24 knot submarine and a submersible Battleship were super weapons.

>>52259557
The entirety of WWII was British Intelligence shitting on German spies.

At the end, I don't think the Germans had even a single agent who wasn't compromised.

>>52260026
Also helps when the head of their intelligence agency was basically working for the British.

Canaris gets mad respect from me for being the perfect example of a military officer, and refusing to follow immoral/illegal orders.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wilhelm_Canaris

>>52259866
>At the time, a 24 knot submarine and a submersible Battleship were super weapons.

No they weren't, you stupid fuck.

The M-1 sank NOTHING. It's gun even became dangerous to operate thanks to breach erosion.

The entire K-class also sank NOTHING and NEVER operated with the battle fleet as they were supposed to. The class took 5 minutes to dive. Various accidents & sinkings involving the class, rather than enemy action, killed hundreds of men.

They were a waste and they were recognized as a waste very early on.

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>>52260140
>No they weren't, you stupid fuck.

Oh shut up sperglord. A weapon doesn't have to be effective to be a super weapon.

See:
ME-262
V-1
V-2
V-3
P1000
Maus
H39
H41
H44
I-400

Etc, etc.

At the time (Pre-WW1) any Battleship doing more then 18 knots was incredible. A 24 Knot submarine was unheard of. It gave the sub unprecedented operating capabilities.

A 12 inch gun that could appear and disappear at will along the coast? Also unheard of, and a huge threat.

They most certainly were super weapons.

>>52260026
>At the end, I don't think the Germans had even a single agent who wasn't compromised.

They had minor ones scattered about, but every one in the UK was either turned or killed. IIRC, there was an important one in Istanbul who worked as the British ambassador's valet! He was able to copy documents for years.

And, yes, Canaris deserves history's respect.

>>52260251
>A weapon doesn't have to be effective to be a super weapon.

Jesus H. Christ.

>A 24 Knot submarine was unheard of. It gave the sub unprecedented operating capabilities.

Unprecedented operating capabilities that resulting in nothing.

>A 12 inch gun that could appear and disappear at will along the coast? Also unheard of, and a huge threat.

A huge threat that never fired it's gun at the enemy.

Fuck, you're pathetically stupid.

>>52260304
>Fuck, you're pathetically stupid.

You didn't counter any of his points though.

The Tirpitz objectively did nothing but rust in various fjords, the British still considered it a threat.

>>52260441
>You didn't counter any of his points though.
>The Tirpitz objectively did nothing but rust in various fjords, the British still considered it a threat.

They considered her a threat because she was one. What you're apparently too stupid to understand is that the lead ship of Tirpitz class sank the Hood, damaged the PoW, and had most of the RN chasing it for a week.

Compare and contrast that record against the M and K classes.

>>52260541
>They considered her a threat because she was one. lead ship of Tirpitz class sank the Hood, damaged the PoW, and had most of the RN chasing it for a week.

Bismark had a lucky hit on the Hood, which was 20 years older, and probably had bad ammo handling practices being followed.

PoW scored the hit that sunk Bizzy in the end.

Tirpitz and Bizzy were not good ships, the British just didn't want them sortieing out into the convoys to starve the Islands. So they blockaded Tirpitz and tried to sink it to neutralize the annoyance.

Bizzy was sunk more out of a sense of pride then a pure necessity. And as always, Bizzy and Tirpitz were always outnumbered.

What did Tirpitz actually accomplish? Nothing really, unless you call parking two BBs out of a fleet of 15 accomplishing something.

Anson and Howe ran the arctic convoys specifically to deter Tirpitz, and they did.

>>52260655
>Tirpitz and Bizzy were not good ships, the British just didn't want them sortieing out into the convoys to starve the Islands.

Exactly, and that's why Tirpitz was an actually threat while the M-1 and K-class were not.

>>52260699

The Tirpitz presented as much of a threat as the M-1 did.

>>52260726
No disagreement there.

who /thunderchild/ here?

>>52260726
Seems like a horrendous waste of resources to blow one of your two big BBs as an unsupported commerce raider, and the other as a ship-in-being.

Any particular reason other than retarded reich politics that Bismarck never sailed as part of a proper fleet?

>>52263362
>Bismarck never sailed as part of a proper fleet?
>Proper Fleet

Main issue was that Germany didn't have a real fleet. 2 BBs, 2 BCs, 3 BBLs, 5 CAs is almost nothing.

>>52263889
Pretty much this.

Germany didn\t really have a fleet in WW2, it had part of a rebuild that is all.

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>>52263279

>>52263279
Never a braver ship put to sail.

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You wouldn't fuck a boat.

>>52268913
I certainly wouldn't fuck a boat as ugly as the Iowa.

>>52269058
>not liking long bows and fat afts of freedom

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>>52269436
Not that anon >>52269058, but I'd much rather have North Carolina and Washington.

>>52269731
>I'd much rather have North Carolina and Washington.

So, straight to the threesome business then?

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Cute botes!

>>52271223
The Black Swans were adorable little ships.

>>52269731
You can have NorCar, but Washington is all mine.

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A E S T H E T I C


>granvilles telepass

G-g-g-g-granille! have you been using't telephone!

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>>52271290

Gotta love ol' BB55. Here's a pic of her pushing Kirishima's shit in.

>>52272172
You mean 56? 55 is NC.

>>52273898
Maybe he is from an alternative universe where showboat was the one that got to beat up nip battlecruisers?

>>52273933
The worst of all possible universes.

>>52273898

56. Alzheimer's.

>>52235298
Well than play Jutland or beforehand?

I feel like saying "I hate planes in naval games" is like saying "I hate tanks is company level games" it's a pretty core element of the historical strategy unless you pick a period before they were invented.

>>52251617
This is my new rebuttle to anyone saying having a high armor thickness at a specific point and large guns are all it takes to make a ship scary.

>>52269731
North Carolinas are sadly underrated especially Washington.

Not as underrated as Colorados, but still, the Iowas get all the glory despite being one of the few US classes in the war that is notable for never actually shooting at another Battleship.

>>52275864
Well, they had the right idea with AON armor, it's just the technology really wasn't there yet.

But yeah, giant muzzle loaders are a bad idea. One shot every 15 minutes.

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>>52271223
Requisites to be a cute bote:

1. be smol (proportionately)

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>>52271223
>>52277967
2. be stubby

Can we agree?

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>>52277967
>>52278004
I agree

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>>52278004
>>52278302
Agreed.

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>>52278302
>>52278660
Damn, dose be smol and stubby, cute/10 would adopt

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Does an Algerine Class Minesweeper class as cute?

On a semi related note I've been cobbling together the details for my coastal forces. I'm looking at a handful of S-26 E boats and one or two Type VII U boats to be the enemies of my two Flower Corvettes and my lone Hunt Class. If I could rustle up some merchantmen I could have a 'campaign' for the escorting of an east coast convoy?

I've also thought a little about adding in some aircraft for funsies. Walrus', Coastal Command beauforts and RAF Hurricanes vs Ju-88s, Ar 196s and 109s. I am unsure wether to do these in the same 1/600 or to use 1/300 figures for perspectives sake.

I don't mean to ramble too much I'm trying to organise my thoughts on such a project and any advice would be appreciated.

>>52280204
I've never been much into coastal forces, but I remember William Donald's Stand by for Action had a whole chapter of him herding coal ships up and down the east coast skippering an old DD. There was a part with some Ju 88s diving on them, an american DD, instead of evading, went and showed them it's broadside and got at least one of them. Scared them jerries off good.
You'll find very good planes in 1/285-300 so might wanna go with those.
And that bote is cute, only the bridge seems square and ungainly, like a girl that frowns all the time. (I'd also be frowning if I had to deal with mines all day.)

>>52280581
Well, I like smaller ships such as destroyers, corvettes, frigates etc rather than larger fleet vessels. I also enjoy having slightly more detailed games with a few ships rather than, once again, larger fleet actions.

They don't necessarily have to be coastal but it tends to fit what I want from a game. Actions in the Med could also be interesting regarding Malta and the like.

I intend to use Actions Stations that I posted further up the thread. It seems relatively simple, if not formatted the best, and seems to do what I want.

I've found the Tumbling Dice 1/600s and they seem quite nice. I think there was a lad that had some in /hwg/ a while back but I'll take a look.

>>52277240
It honestly wasn't that bad of a ship from what I read, just like most pre-dreads it happens to be hilarious.

>>52281258
It's not even a pre-dread tho, it's an Ironclad. Pre-dreads have breach-loaders and better designed turrets.

Granted, IIRC it did latter get upgraded into a pre-dread.

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>>52280204
>HMS Pickle
That's almost as cute as HMS Ladybird, with added comedy potential.

>Two conscripted buddy sailors in a musical comedy
>Quite a pickle we've gotten ourselves into

I regret nothing.

>>52281926
>Go back and actually read about Insect-class
>one of them is named HMS Cockchafer
>it was the fifth ship to have carried that name

I guess what they say about rum, sodomy, and the lash really is true.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/HMS_Cockchafer_(1915)

>>52284812
>4 turrets ahead
For what concievable purpose?

>>52284925
moar seaplanes

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>tfw you set out to write as basic naval wargame rules as possible, but end up with Naval War & Victory at Sea - level ruleset by the end of it.

>>52286689
> tfw you know tfw

>>52286689
No offense, but that's not necessarily a bad thing, nor are VaS or Naval War very complicated.

Take a look at Aeronef. It's extremely simple, but it's also boring as hell.

>>52286689
Naval War is stupid simple.

Victory at Sea is simple.

Now take something like Command at Sea, that is starting to get into the realm of the complex.

>>52281926
>Have a love interest
>The sailors refer to her as pickle
>No one is quite sure if the lady or the ship are meant

quality 1940's musical gold we've got on hands here lads.

Military History Visualised just put up a follow up its timelapse of USN losses in WW2 with one for the IJN, might be of interest to you anons:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-pRun6GNlQM

I actually found it pretty sobering, especially towards the end of the war with the sheer volume of ships being lost.

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>>52288410

Thanks for the link. You know, you can read about the war and IJN losses for decades but sometimes it takes a graph or other visual aid to really drive the story home.

I've attached the famous Minard informational graph illustrating French army losses during the 1812-1813 Russian Campaign as another example.

>>52290133
Stupid Furry Tacos.

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>>52290133
S-Boats stronk

>Two ships clocks

What particular time did ship's clocks keep? Local time, home port, what?

>>52291727
I think those are Vickers range clocks

>>52291727
>>52291834

How do those even work? I mean, it's not like the gunners in the turrets can see them. The manual fire control system is buried in the superstructure. So what purpose to big 3m high visible clocks on the outside of the ship even serve?

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>>52291875
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vickers_range_clock

I googled it for you.

>>52285233
Also to include everything wrong with Jap CA turret placements in a single boat.

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>>52291834
They're so other ships can see where they're shooting so they can focus fire.

Some USN ships went so far as to have markings to better indicate deflection.

why are people posting non cute botes, SAD!

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Silent Victory-anon here again, this time with the tale of USS Triton. Gonna be using some fan stuff I found, namely Fleet Boats North because why not and also a weather thing.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Mcu7D47Gnc

December 41: Marshalls

December 9, encountered Aden Maru (5800) and Uchide Maru (5300) with escorts on a clear night. Triton closed undetected and fired four torps at Aden Maru. Three hit, all duds. Triton escaped undetected but lost contact the following day.

December 12, encountered Koto Maru alone on a clear day. Surfaced and sunk her with the deck gun.

December 15, encountered a convoy, closed and attacked Batopaha Maru with six torps. Five hit, all exploded. Triton escaped undetected but lost contact the following day.

December 18, encountered Yoshida Maru alone on a rainy night, attacked with deck gun, failed to sink her, used a torpedo, dud, used one more, sunk.

December 21, encountered Kori Maru alone on a rainy day, fired two torpedoes, missed with both, fired two more, one hit and sunk her.

Transit home was uneventful.

LCDR Anon received the Silver Star.

>>52297993
Feb 42: Midway

During transit, attacked by bomber, disabled diesel #2 temporarily and seriously wounded a crewman.

Upon arriving in the theater, Triton had a stroke of luck: ULTRA intercepts gave them directions to the BB Nagato on the night Feb 11. Sneaking in, Triton fired six torpedoes at her. Five hit, but four were duds. However, Triton was able to escape safely and return the following night. Again five hits and four duds, but the second blow finished Nagato. Triton was then detected. The first barrage punctured her fuel tanks, leading LCDR Anon to order her to begin exceeding test depth. The next barrage struck true as she dove, disabling diesel #3 and causing flooding, but after that she managed to escape. Although the diesel was repaired the next day, the fuel leak was not, forcing Triton to abort back to Pearl. (got the reroll one roll token last time, used it to avoid the “accidentally sink a hospital ship” event, got lucky)

Thankfully, her return transit was uneventful.

LCDR Anon received the Navy Cross.

May 42: Marshalls

Transit was uneventful.

On May 10, the boat was pooped, wounding a crewman on watch.

On May 13, Triton encountered a convoy on the sunny day. She attempted to follow them and wait for nightfall, but the convoy slipped away.

The rest of the patrol and transit home was uneventful

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>>52297548
Kuma's allright, just sleek and lithe so not strictly cute.
Have something smol instead.

>>52298018
July 42: Aleutians

Triton was temporarily assigned to the base in Dutch Harbor, Alaska, to conduct patrols in the north.

Transit was uneventful

On July 15, encountered Eifuku Maru (3500) with escorts on a rainy day. Waiting until nightfall, she closed the range and fired four torpedoes. Three hit, all exploded. However, the escorts spotted Triton and attacked, disabling her periscope. Although she escaped, the periscope was irreparable. As she was no longer effective against the warships in the area, she aborted the patrol.

During transit home she was attacked twice by aircraft, but dived in time both times.

September 42: Kuriles

Transit was uneventful

On September 12, she encountered the Sagami Maru with escorts on a rainy day. Following until nightfall, she attempted to close, but was detected and attacked. However, the first barrage caused no damage and Triton was able to slip away.

On September 18, she dove to avoid aircraft.

On September 21, encountered DD Usugumo with her division on a clear night. Attempting to close she was detected and attacked. Although she got away, damage to her periscope and hydrophones, as well as losing half her forward torpedoes, forced her to abort.

Her transit home was uneventful

December 42: Aleutians: Recon

During transit she was attacked, damaging electric #3 and seriously wounding a crewman. The crew were able to repair the engine.

While conducting recon, she was forced to dive to avoid air attack.

On December 15, she encountered Meikai Maru with escorts on a clear night. She closed the range and fired four torps. Three hit and two exploded, sinking her. Triton then managed to slip away safely.

The remainder of the patrol and transit home was uneventful.

LCDR Anon received a promotion to CDR.


And there’s our time in the Arctic. Not great, but you win some (S-20, PRIDE OF THE NORTHERN SEA) and you lose some (Triton, MY PERISCOPE). I'll run some more stuff after I have dinner.

>>52298039
>Dutch Harbor, Alaska, to conduct patrols in the north.

Patrols for crabs, in; The Deadliest Catch.

>>52299045
More like patrol for broken periscopes. AND IT HAPPENED AGAIN

February 43: Empire

Transit was uneventful

February 9, encountered Yoshinogawa Maru (1400) with escorts on a rainy night. Closed in, fired four torps. All hit and exploded, escaped successfully.

Feb 12, encountered Unkai Maru #12 (2700) and Fukko Maru (3800) with escorts on a clear night. Closed in, fired three torps at each. 2 hit Unkai Maru, both exploded, sunk. One hit Fukko Maru, dud. The escorts then detected Triton and attacked, inflicting hull damage, temporarily putting diesel #3 and the radio out of action, killing one crewman, and disabling the periscope and dive planes. As such, Triton was forced to abort.

Her return home was uneventful.

alt-Kancolle Triton confirmed for permanent broken glasses

>>52299914
June 43: Marianas

Transit was uneventful

June 9: Encountered Sanyo Maru (2900) escorted only by DD Isoname (2000) on a clear night. Triton closed in and fired six torpedoes at Isoname. Five missed, and the hit was a dud. However, Triton was not detected. The next night, Triton repeated the attack. This time three missed, but the three that hit all exploded. However, as Triton was planning to surface, another escort arrived and attacked her. Triton was able to escape, but suffered temporary damage to her AA gun and aft torpedo doors, and permanent damage to her periscope. As such she aborted her patrol.

Transit home was uneventful.


These fucking dice.

>>52300237
I take it back, at least I sunk something that time. Hell, at least I saw something that time.

August 43: Marshalls

The entire patrol was uneventful.

>>52300275
And things go even more downhill.

October 43: Marshalls - Recon

Transit was uneventful.

The recon was completed successfully.

October 12, encountered a convoy during the day and waited for night. Triton closed the range and fired two torpedoes at each ship. Two hits, two explosions, sunk Shinju Maru (3600). One hit, no explosion on Fukusei Maru (2200). Two hits, two explosions, sunk Hakuun Maru #2 (900). Triton escaped successfully, but lost contact with the convoy the following day.

October 15, encountered a convoy on a clear night. Made the same attack as last time, but all torpedoes either missed or were duds. Triton was detected and the first salvo broke her in two.


Welp. Rolled the “Instant Death” effect on the escort attack table. Such is life. At least she had a decent run. 12 ships for 63600 tons.

>>52297548
>>52298037

Nigger, Kuma is Kawaii as fuck.

IJN light cruisers are twice as cute to make up for how ugly their heavy cruisers are.

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A castrated cutie.

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>>52300976
Don't talk shit about mai botefu and her brethren.

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>>52299914
Nah, she's pic related, in a swim dress, fumbling around for her glasses.

>>52303828
Your boatfu a shit.

>>52304005
Fuck, that's too perfect.

MY PERISCOPE! I CAN'T SEE WITHOUT MY PERISCOPE!

>>52226405
Wait a minute. Is that ship behind Nagato who I think she is? And the ship behind *her*?

>>52306817
I've got her on my table right now, along with two of her cousins.

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>>52308541
Who knows.

>>52308541
>>52308768
It's the Hotel Twins, there's almost no pictures of them, let alone pictures of them together.

>>52308882
Blame nips and their muh secreto weapon-mentality when it came to them and the late war autism that caused them to basically destroy all documentation about the Hotel&Palace.

>>52308541

Shit... I didn't notice those bows the first time I looked at that pic...

That could be the Hotel Twins.

>>52308541
That's a Yamato Class behind her.

>>52300976
>nip battleships are ugly as fuck
>nip heavy cruisers are ugly as fuck
>nip carriers are ugly as fuck
>nip light cruisers are top tier cute
>nip destroyers are also top tier cute

It ain't often when you see that clear divide various types of boats when it comes to cuteness.

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>>52320760
Less hating, more cuteing.

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>>52308541
That's BatDiv 1 at anchor off Brunei, prior to Leyte Gulf. Nagato had been reassigned there after the loss of Mutsu at Hashirajima in 1943.

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>>52320760
I'm sorry, but I'm gonna always think Mogamis are sex.

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>>52323403

>>52323374

Then both Yamato and Musashi ARE in the picture. I'd never seen them together before.

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>>52323526
There's only one other I know of.

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>>52323546
Once you get past their tonnage Hotel&Palace were rather boring boats so there not really being that many pictures of them is no real loss.

>>52323526

Just checked over the TROMs at combinedfleet. Yamato and Musashi were both at Truk in '43 along with Nagato, but the land mass behind the ships isn't Truk.

As >>52323374 says, the three were also together at Tawitawi in the Sulu Sea off Brunei for Operation Kon ( the relief of Biak called off when the US invaded the Marianas), stayed there during A-Go (The Philippine Sea battle off the Marianas), and finally left from there for Sho-I-Go (the whole Palawan, Engano, Suraigo, Samar, Leyte scrum).

So that is a rare photo of both Hotels in the same frame.

>>52323577
>Once you get past their tonnage Hotel&Palace were rather boring boats

I recently re-read Hara's "Japanese Destroyer Captain". He mentions several times how the DD and CL commanders operating out of Rabaul and Truk wondering when the BBs and CAs were ever going to be used.

so my botes came. The casting isn't exactly great but it'll do. Hopefully I can upload some pictures when they're a little tidier.

>>52324156
What boats? I'm waiting on some bases, a trio of Matsus, and some milliput.

>>52325169
the 1/600 stuff. 2 Flower class corvettes and on Hunt class DE. I have however dropped one of the pom poms from one of the corvettes. I've got to cobble something together now to replace it.

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>>52325303
Flower-class a cute. Closest I have is a River, which also a cute.

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>>52325854
Have a pic with conquest 28mm indian for scale.

It still needs quite a lot of work done desu.

>>52320760
IDK, Nip carriers have delicious flat tops.

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>>52320760
Somewhat disagreed. Even after being pagoda'd the Nagatos were rather stately.

The Bongos weren't even battleships, and the Yamatos were entirely forgettable. The Ises and Fusos were homely at best before being rebuilt, and it just got worse from there.

>>52326255
Gonna look sexy when she's painted up.

>>52328489
but that Indian is a man Anon, you ain't one of them gays are ya?

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>>52328847
Don't have any idea at all what you're talking about there mate.

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>>52328890

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Last pictures of the Nagato before nuclear detonation. My friend's grandfather took these. Hilariously, the salvage crew sent to the Nagato had their own boat pull away half way through the job and they thought they were going to be vaporized as part of the test. They panicked for over an hour before another boat came to collect them and the rest of the valuable materials from the Nagato before the detonation was to take place.

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>>52329125
>>52329149
Thanks for sharing anon. Those are really cool.

>>52329125
>>52329149
Nagato had a hard life.

>>52329965
At least she went out with some style&dignity unlike certain other nip capital ships.

>>52330263
"Expended as a target" is no way for a capital ship to go, even if it IS in a nuclear test. But I guess that's what happens when you're the last one left on the losing side.

>>52330368
>"Expended as a target" is no way for a capital ship to go
More glorious than getting scrapped at least
>Enterprise

>>52330547
Better scrapped than turned into a tourist trap desu.

>>52330574
It's actually a nice dive on a good day, and she's the only IJN capital ship you can visit. The others are gone, sunk deep and out of sight or else broken up for scrap after the war.

Ashes to ashes, dust to dust, cooking pots to cooking pots.

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>all this IJN
>no Grand Old lady.
The Warspite disdains your weebish love of pagodas and radiation.

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>>52330858
We've covered the RN amply before, so get in line, granny, you ain't even cute.

Honk honk! Worst Dreadnought snailing through!

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>>52331135
Followed by "I'm still worse than Averoff" battlebote.

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>>52331175
And how about the "guess this is better than getting scrapped" carrier?

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so why was there not more than one naval vessel in WOTW?>>52226405

So when you paint a ship that wore a lot of different colors and camouflage devices over the years, how do you choose which colors to use?

I tend to just pick whatever seems the most interesting, consistency be damned.

>>52331175
>talking shit about Averoff
Quick way to a mutiny there.

>>52331454
If I'm doing a ship or group of ships primarily for one theatre, I try to do whatever scheme they were wearing at the time as best as I can. But if not, then it's whatever I can find good references of, or that seems plausible if not. My Royal Navy shit in particular is very much in the latter category.

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>>52331479
Nigga, I said worse, as in, "I'm a battlefuckingship and I'm still evidently inferior to an armored cruiser".
I fucking
love
Armored Cruisers.

>>52331375
There were, they either retreated or were sunk. Thunderchild's action is talked about because it bought time for the ferries and other steamers to get away with the civilians.

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>>52332088
Right mate, just as long as we're on the same page. She was one the things I did for this months /hwg/ project. As soon as I get off my ass and finish the last three in the lot, I'll go ahead and post the whole group for my submission.

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>>52332277
Nice.
Scale/manufacturer?

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>>52332801
1/1800 War At Sea repaint. It was actually a pretty nice sculpt, all things considered.

I'd like to get my hands on pic related, but because of the peculiarities related to cmgs, the WaS ones are ridiculously expensive, and the WTJ ones that they offer are as builts, so it would mean a lot of conversion work.

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I really like this for some reason, and since I got a GHQ Tenryu as a mispack I might just do a conversion.

>>52334030
Neat, you should. I always liked trunked stacks. Got a link to the specs?

>>52257833
That looks like it has barely any traverse, what was it even used for, shore bombardments? Could a vessel that size even handle the recoil?

>>52336385
Single shot sneak attacks on ships. Basically, they load the gun, submerge, then sneak up on their target, fire one shot, and dive.

>>52336569
That sounds useless.

>>52339095
The argument of the people who made it was
>No case is known of a ship-of-war being torpedoed when under way at a range outside of 1000 yards

Gun was a 12-incher with an effective range of 15000 yards, goddamn overkill for destroying merchant vessels. Designers apparently also didn't conceive of the many problems having an open gun would cause while travelling underwater.

>>52334856
So far as I know no such thing exists. This proposal was approved and funding was released in 1937, but shipbuilding yards were too busy shitting out destroyers with only nominal AA capacity.

>>52340678
Oh I figured it was never built. I just meant the specs for the proposal.

>>52341949
Again, so far as I'm aware those details were either not fully worked out or the documents were lost. So all we have are approximations.

The revised plan a few years later never even got past the proposal phase.

>>52340678
Japanese approach to AA was always pretty questionable desu.
>lets rebuild our old battlecruisers as fast carrier escorts japan vs uk edition:
>japan - re-engine them, upgrade their armor, just remove some of their dedicated anti-ship secondaries and add bare minimum of dp-guns
>uk - re-engine them, upgrade their armor, remove all of their per-existing secondary guns and replace with shitload of dp-guns

>>52343074
Even though they rebuilt the Kongous as "fast battleships", don't mistake that for "fast battleship" doctrine as we know it. Their primary purpose was still to engage as part of an 8-8 Fleet in a DECISIVE BATTLE, and their heavy AA suites and secondary batteries were considered sufficient. Same as with Nagato and Mutsu and their speed: 25kt was fine for what they were intended to do.

If they'd just given up their pipe dream of fighting the elusive DECISIVE BATTLE they may have made vastly different choices. Their much-touted Special Type destroyers certainly would've come out ahead for it.

>decide to try a IXB in The Hunters
>first patrol, Norway
>nothing happens for first few boxes
>spot HMS Royal Oak at night
>aw yiss, knight's cross here we come, no more britannia ruling the waves
>get close undetected, fire forward tubes
>half my torps miss, other half duds
>first round of escort combat knocks out my hydrophones and dive planes
>second rounds rolls boxcars for damage, instant death

Well, that was anticlimactic as hell. RIP U-107, went out like a chump.

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Posting boats until my botes arrive

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>>52348534
Not a particularly appealing bote. She wasn't terribly fast, her 16" guns were fairly underwhelming compared to competing designs even in the 15" range, she only had two screws instead of four, and she had a nasty habit of ruining her own plumbing and lighting.

But to her credit her belt armor was respectable, and neither sister ever bumped the boom gate vessel at Hoxa.

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>>52348837
And from that, on to a disconcertingly attractive Japanese bote... IN TECHNICOLOR.

>>52346010
> Wave Status: Ruled

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>>52350976
>Jerries Status: Rustled

>>52348837
> Not thinking the Nelson is beautiful.
Nelsol and Rodnol were pretty great ships considering the restrictions they were built under, at least once they fixed their problems of trying to glass the bridge crew when the X turret fired.

>>52344074
> If they'd just given up their pipe dream of fighting the elusive DECISIVE BATTLE they may have made vastly different choices.
It's such a shame it was just a pipe dream, can you imagine how amazing it would be to study "The Battle of Midway, where the Japanese and US Battleship fleets engaged each other in a battle which would decide the fate of the Pacific War." Or even better, some kind of utterly fantastical engagement between the KM, IJN and RM vs the USN and RN fleets in the Indian Ocean, just a knock down drag out fight to the end.

>>52351430
>some kind of utterly fantastical engagement between the KM, IJN and RM vs the USN and RN fleets in the Indian Ocean
Sounds like the plot of a pulp action novel. Random storm shifts battlefleets across time and space to this location, they all decide to duke it out instead of doing the sensible thing and just running away because this would be fucking nuts and the krauts know they'd lose and they're thousands of miles from home and near British territory