Which alignment do you prefer to play?

>>52222288
I prefer memeing about alignment, and play alignment-less systems

>>52222288
chaotic good/lawfull neutral my dear nazi dubs 5 2s fellow

>>52222288
This is unironically the worst alignment chart I have ever seen.
Delete this thread and demap yourself.

>>52222500
why should I kill myself if you are the newfag?

anyway
>>52222302
CG
>>52222403
CG/LN
>>52222500
CN

as expected of 4chan i guess.

>>52222288
I like and hate this chart at the same time. I like it because it works, I hate it because it pigeonholes each character into a single interpretation of their morality when one of the great things about Watchmen was how morally grey it was. However, I can consider this chart a simple interpretation of the morality in Watchmen.

>>52222514
i frankly think that most people are CG. They tend to strive for what is good (as precived by them) and have a very light to any rules, in fact will most likley brake them if they can get away with it and it will help them

>>52222288
Lawful Good, sometimes Lawful Neutral.

Also, why is the Squid an alignment?

>>52222582
>lloyd
>not a fabulous badass
terrible chart

>>52222558
Hmm, I feel most people crave order though, be it worldly or spiritual.
The only "anarchists" these days are spoiled first world kids who never experienced any real need.

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>>52222558
well, i'm not saying what people are, just what people prefer to play.

talking about rl alignment is too much for me atm, sorry for not sharing the discussion with you. i wish i could argue that many people like to be accepted by sociaty ad as such, much more lawfull than you think, but i cant really go there now.

>>52222288
Really depends on the game and type of character I'm playing.

Admitedly, the closest I've ever come to Lawful Good is playing L5R, when I made a Toku (minor clan, super-idealistic and honorable). I tend to go for Chaotic Neutral type before an evil type (that is to say, selfish but not outright malicious), but when I am playing a character who'll do evil, they tend to be Lawful, or rather the type to have principles or some other sort of 'code'.

And since most of the time lately I've been playing Rogue Trader, the whole morality scale is completely off the standard chart anyway. Since being a loyal Imperial means you're alright with the occasional bit of genocide as long as the targets are xenos or heretics.

Personally I'm a strong believe in catharsis, purging your negative emotions in ways that are healthy (like roleplaying 'badguys', or stomping demons in DOOM) so they are no problem in real life.

>>52222608
I have to disagree, most people like order but dislike rules, and will happyly ignore them if they can, not in a malignant way, but if it makes life easier and there is little to no reprucasion to it.
As far as anarchism, you'd be suprised how much order it has, it cought my intrest at one point and i did some reading, the style of organization they propose still has rules to follow set by each commune, the main diference is that when you find somewhere you like more you can just fuck off with out a problem and live there XIX and XX century anarchists seemd to value freedome but also order, just the order you agree upon, not the one that was forced on you

>>52222609
not a problem by good fellow

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>>52222633
>Germany
>Chaotic

>alignment
ugh.

>>52222582
>Clovis
>useless

>>52222633
>Lawful Good
>not Canada

>>52222500
the good chart is spot on
N and E are shit

>>52222647
>I have to disagree, most people like order but dislike rules, and will happyly ignore them if they can
Most people are law abiding though, even down to small scale stuff like littering.

>As far as anarchism, you'd be suprised how much order it has,
That's why I put the word in quotes.

>>52222806
the way i often looked at it is, do they do it because there is a law in place or because they dont want the whole place to look like shit. Most people will speed when driving, they will also jaywalk if it's safe. Most people have at one point or a nother stolen shit, or got too much change and not give it back. The way i see it, most people are very good at following rules that make seans to them because they agree with them, but the moment they disagree with something they will brake said rule

>>52222288
>Rorschach
>Lawful good
The fuck are you on about, he is lawful evil to a T.

>>52222585
>lawful
heh...... nerd

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>Chaotic Neutral

Anarcho-capitalist explosive merchant.

>>52222288
1. How the hell is Rorschach LG? I'd say he has a decent case for Lawful Evil.

2. Favorite alignment is either LG or LN

>>52222966
I'd still slot that as closer to lawful rather than chaotic.

>>52223062
I finfd it fun to play. Having a principled character makes a lot of situations more interesting.

>>52222565
best chart

EVIL GET SHIT DONE!!!!!
BAN GOOD FROM THE TABLES.

>>52222633
>Switzerland
>not N or LN

>>52223168
At the very least, his intentions were to do good. Only his way of enforcing the "law" (mostly his own) was pretty brutal.
The chart works okay at first glance, but as other anon said, watchmen is full of grey morality characters and the chart falls short once you start delving in it.

>>52223846
whos the NE bimbo?

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>>52223920
Celestia

>>52222723
Have you ever been to Canada? Have you ever looked at this HRC, or their "current year" laws?

Canada is a shit hole.

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>>52222288
>>52222514
>>52222755
>Rohrschach
>lawful good

>>52222288
True Neutral or Lawful Neutral. I mostly play Lawful Good paladins or the equivalent, though.

>>52222608
>The only "anarchists" these days are spoiled first world kids who never experienced any real need.

As a spoiled first world kid who never experienced any real need I resent this post.

>>52222633
>(((Chaotic Good)))
I like this chart

>>52222633
You can tell an ausfag made this chart because it paints Australia as relevant.

>>52222288
Which aliment goes out to free the great evil from its prison just so he can beat the evil to death permanently and take its rare artifacts to use to solve mundane problems in his life?

I got the infamous throne of skulls in my living room that helps me recharge my magic, so I can use the scepter of storms to insure my tomato garden grows just right. So I can make the best pizza, you got to have good tomato sauce for good pizza.

>>52224156
Chaotic Neutral probably

>>52224156
True Neutral?

>>52224167
I won't say true neutral, given I only steal from bad people and do help other when I feel like it. But given the death and destruction I can't really be call good either, but do lean good at times.

So >>52224166 seems about right. Definitely Chaotic Something.

>>52224243
Dude, that's true neutral.

>>52224280
I feel like breaking out the great evil from confinement just to take his stuff is chaotic

>>52224328
And beating said evil and other bad people is lawful, protecting your business, hell, having a business is lawful.

>>52224280
Really, everyone seem to think I bring chaos and madness wherever I go. But the king puts up with me given I do more harm to his enemies than him.

Also never launch a beehive into the palace, even if the healer asks for fresh honey to make his elixir. People don't like ancient enchanted beehives even if their honey is the rarest in the land and it takes a whole week to find one.

>>52224350
why is beating evil lawful? evil is everyone enemy. if the world ends so do you.
the only ones who let evil roam free are evil themselves.

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>>52222288
>Rorschasch
>Vigilante
>Good

>The dwarf
>A crime lord
>Neutral

>Nixon
>Abolishes term limits, a law that was made like 30 years earlier
>Evil for this

>The Comedian
>Not Lawful

>Squid monster is chaotic evil but the dude who made it for the very express purpose isn't

>>52224364
Yup, TN. It balances out.
>>52224486
Because not beating evil makes sense from both axes (ethics/morality) and will always be LG behavior.

>>52222558
Most people are neutral, that's why it's neutral.

>>52224887
>this great evil wants to inflicts heavy damage on the world
>i will not directly suffer from this so i don't care
no man. evil is the enemy of both good and natural, lawful and cheotic. letting it go is either stupid or outright evil.
are you from /pol/ or something?

>>52224243
>the death and destruction
The death and destruction of evil. That's Good.

>>52222558
I'd say most are in the bottom right corner of LG

>>52222288

Nihilistic Freudian.

>>52224974
>All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing. - Edmond Burke
And that quote is true. Fighting evil is in itself a good and lawful act.

>>52225074
It's a Good act. Fight Chaos is a Lawful act.

>>52222288
True Neutral. I love developing them.

Also, it's "what I am IRL" for lack of a more precise term.

>>52225074
edmond burke didn't mention ANYTHING about law/chaos and didn't take natural into account.
evil fights against everything. you either fight back, submit or escape.
just because evil sees you as enemy doesn't mean you are good.

>>52225112
And that's why I'm TN, I just don't have enough fucks to give. It's pointless arguing alignments.>>52225136
>>52225136
No, chaotic evil fights everything.

>>52223959
That's not sunhorse

>>52225170
>even non-LG fights CE
good, now we are getting somewhere.
however, LE might make you an enemy, depending on its goals. are you telling me that CG for example won't fight LE? are you telling me that LE won't send army to burn down some natural village because he heard prophecy that this village will be his undoing?

Lawful Good, because I enjoy helping people.

>>52224887
Well it does kind of all come out in the wash, so I suppose that works, but it just doesn't sit right with me. I mean True Neutral? It just sounds boring.

>>52224974
Actually I studied and planned to great lengths before unleashing the evil. I just wanted his stuff, not to let him burn the world, my house in there you know. I get most upset about my house being burned down.

But I did have to fight the Order of the Seal, they kind of made it their thing to keep the seal secure, but I tried not to kill them as they were good and all that. I think I put them out of a job now that I think about it, that would explain why a few of them still want to kill me.

>>52224985
Does is still count as death if you modify the army resurrection spell used by the first great emperor to heal the evil undead army that is attacking everyone to zero HP turning them back into harmless skeletons?
It is not like I did it for good reasons, I just could never find a use for such a rare scroll. It is not like I have an army to resurrect on the battle field, like it was made to do countless centuries ago. Also they were interrupting the parade I was watching.

>>52225060
What would the the opposite for that one be? Positivistic Jungian?

>>52225218
> I just wanted his stuff, not to let him burn the world
your actions are greedy and reckless. you think just because you ave everything planned it meeans you can risk inflicting anchient horrors from time memorial upon the world? thats evil act; its mostly villians who are sure of themselves and play with fire.

NE.

>>52225274
But I found a flaw in the seal along the way, so it was going to break eventually.

Was it not Good of me to break it on my terms rather the have it break years later after everyone had forgotten the threat and dropped their guard. I mean with all the trouble I caused along the way every nation had their military at the ready.

Admittedly they were trying to stop me, but they did help kill all the mooks that got free as well. Not Like I wouldn't have hunted them down for the experience points and the fun of it. But in the end it saved a lot of lives, which is what often happens when I do stuff.

Lawful Evil.

>>52222288
This is one of the worst alignment chart memes I have ever seen.

>>52225491
yeah you are right, if its gonna break soon, might as well earn from it.

>>52225218
>I mean True Neutral? It just sounds boring.
It's the ultimate Fuck you, I do what I want, but I still care about something and I'm not just lolrandumb alignment. It's the master race alignment. You are a person, you have flaws, you make mistakes, blah blah. It's life.
>>52225205
And LG doesn't have everyone else as it's enemy?

>>52225640
if someone tries to force its morals on others it isn't LG but LE.

>>52225713
But how can all the paladins ever (pre-4e) be evil?

>>52225585
>I found a flaw in the seal along the way

As in I was planning to break it before I found the flaw. Finding it just justified my actions when people asked later.

>>52225640
I am not so much FU, more what happens if I do X while everyone screams in terror as I do it. But it often save lives and destroyers evil, so I am not branded evil per say.

>>52222288
lawful asshole

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>>52222633
I'd put Norway as Lawful Good, Germany as Neutral Good, USA as Chaotic Neutral, and Aus as Neutral.

Don't know what you have against Switzerland. I'd put either Saudi Arabia or Russia as Lawful Evil.

>>52225491
NE. You don't give a fuck about anything but yourself, you just try ad-hoc after the fact justifications. Faggot.

>>52227064
>Germany
>good
>ever
If anything it'd lawful autism

>>52225829
killing evil isn't evil
trying to convert natural via discussion isnt evil
lg paladins killing cg rangers because they aren't l should fall.

>>52222633
LG is probably something like Atlantis, it doesn't exist
NG is probably Canada
CG is Japan
LN is the USA
TN is Switzerland
CN is Australian shitposters
LE is Germany
NE is N Korea
CE is Somalia

>>52227593
>CG is Japan
Bruh, heard of Unit 731? That shit doesn't fly with CG.

>>52227616
How did you get past the great firewall?

>>52227616
That's in the past, I'm talking about modern Japan

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>>52227593
>>52227671
>Japan is good
>Germany is evil
What kind of meme is this?

>>52222609
I tried to be a neutral good GM...

One of my players got so pissy at me for saying someone can re-roll their save after a game of HORRENDOUS luck all round that it destroyed the entire group.

>>52227678
What's wrong with it?

>>52227786
If you are talking about the past, how is Japan good? If you are talking about the present, how is Germany evil?

>>52227892
>Merkel isn't evil
Go away Angela

LE cause I can grab at any power I want without worrying about the consequences and my party knows I won't betray them unless they betray me, so they just kinda shuffle around awkwardly as I keep the peasants poor.

>>52228120
Unless you are an OP physical god, there is no way I'd allow that kind of behavior. LG here.

>>52222288
>Ozymandias
>Good

Guy killed an entire city of people, plus orchestrated the deaths of everyone who helped him install his plan or who found out about it. I'm not even sure where to put him in that chart. Chaotic Neutral? Lawful Evil?

>>52222661
Guess I'm borderline between Chaotic Failure and Chaotic Hatred.

>>52228222
Fuck off kant

>>52227064
>switzerland
>Anything but True Neutral
Nigger that's their only gimmick!

>>52227593
>>52222633

Admittedly, this is a tough sorting task.

When we think evil, what is it we're looking at precisely? I think corruption, no? And for the law chaos axis, I think it makes sense to go with authoritarianism vs libertarianism. /tg/ is in general agreement that benevolent dictatorship is the best for of government, so if that corresponds to LG (presumed to be the "bestest" by canon default, though its fine to disagree) then benevolent libertarian anarchy would be CG. There is no such country in its purest form, but is there anything that approaches it?

Also, we have to go with the modern states of countries, not historical. Alignments change over time. Paladins fall. The wicked are redeemed. Your alignment is not the product of history, but the product of who you are in the present.

Anyway, on the corruption measure, America is neutral, and I'd say America is more Libertarian than most of the world. So America is solidly CN. Which also explains the mixed views you get internationally.

Singapore may be LG. Closest thing to a benevolent authoritarian regime I can think of. Its also very small, and basically a tax haven for rich Chinese expats. So hard to say if it really counts.

NorKor is prototypical LE by this measure. Absolute Totalitarian control over your life. Corruption in the extreme (since all the propaganda are bold lies and to the detriment of civilian welfare).

China sits comfortably in NE. It tries to be Totalitarian but does a half-assed job of it, and the reality is that China is a really chaotic place- in fact some parts of it are basically anarcho-capitalist for real, where the local billionaire/official governor is provided no official police force so he just hires his own private security firm to selectively enforce the laws he wants. At any rate, corruption is turned up to 11 in China, so firmly in the evil axis.

I don't know enough about Russia, but might be a candidate for CE? Corruption is full blast, but are they free?

>>52222288
Lawful Evil is fun.

How else can I roleplay a Yuan-ti pure blood properly?

>>52228695
>>52228565
Switzerland may be politically neutral, but their society is anything but. I'd say they're an interesting candidate for CG, since they seem uniquely libertarian in some regards (allowing narcotics use, universal armament of citizens). They cater heavily to banking interests, which can be interpreted as free market endorsement, but on the other hand I've heard they'll more or less always cater to the interests of the rich. That starts looking like corruption, putting them closer to the CE category. How corrupt or clean Switzerland is will determine where it is on the good axis, and I certainly understand the branding of LE since we think of switzerland as a rather "clean and orderly" society- but I think how active the state is in manging your affairs is a better measure of lawful/chaotic than how many street sweepers they have or how much littering they tolerate.

Australia probably isn't a bad example of TG. They're not as libertarian as America, but they aren't really totalitarian either. And their corruption is low precisely because they aren't important on the world stage, so few sociopaths bother to infect the system. Along with New Zealand, they're one of the only representative democracies that actually function as such, whereas the UK and US have heavily gerrymandered first-past-thepost systems with a representaiton quotient as low as 25-30%.

That places UK in the TN square, since its similar to Australia, but with about the same level of corruption as America. But UK and US hide their corruption much better than China or Russia.

That just leaves LN. There's an oddball. An authoritarian or totalitarian state with only a moderate amount of corruption. Honestly I'd just be asspulling to fit something here. Saudi Arabia maybe? Dubai? Certainly authoritarian. I don't have good data on whether or not its corrupt. I know slightly more about Iran, and I'd be inclined to say it falls here.

>>52228222
The funny thing is, he would the best representation of a group of PCs who justify their means with it's all for the sake of saving the world.

>>52222633
It's almost like no one read the filename. Well played.

>>52229892
>>52229261
Well its not so much as I didn't read the filename, as I disregarded the bait and decided to analyze the question thoughtfully regardless of the posters intent.

It's sorta what /tg/ is known for, bro.

>>52222288
Neutral Good. Empathy and a need to help/protect others, period. It's not about chaos or law as an absolute, it's about whatever is the best thing for other people in this situation. Lawful Good is too focused on rules and strictures, and Chaotic Good is too focused on impulse and bucking traditions. Neutral Good serves Absolute Good, no matter its form. Praise the sun and shit.

>>52222565

Legitimately good chart, you don't see that every day, or most days, or ever really.

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>>52222288

Lawful Good; the alignment makes the hard decisions so I don't have to~!

As it stands I have no preference on alignment, but I've found that chaotic alignments are easier to play.

>>52224958

Most "beings" are neutral, simply because the non-sapient forms of life largely outnumber their thinking counterparts. Humanity has a natrual bias towards compassion and altruism because it has been proven to be the ideal way to structure a society, and while some societies could be described as TN in ultimate composition, chances are they are descendents of either an earlier Good or Lawful instutution that came prior and they would not have cropped up as a distinct entity without that baggage.

D&D goes out of its way to state "Clearly, there are very few true neutral characters in the world" because their idea of constantly siding with the underdog regardless of the consequences would be damaging to the long-term stability of any advanced civilization. True neutral is the alignment of druids and dryads and sprites and things that do not intend operate in organized society.

If you ask me, the most common form of "neutral" you would find in the world is lawful neutral, those lawyers and politicians and other unscrupulous figures that less generous figures would prescribe as evil; chaotic neutral behaviour is perhaps more common still, but people who would actually devote their lives to such beyond what is strictly required for them to gain some sort of boon is less so: pirates typically only did their pirating buisness for a year or two before retiring to less hazardous occupations, and few criminals intend to be criminals for life.

>>52222288
Neutral evil. Selfishness without the meme chaotic stupid constraints. It allows me to have my own goals and advocate for evil without being tied down or making cooperation impossible

>>52222288
Good. Everything else is flavor text.

>>52224005
And where does the guy saying "He is worse than a Jew, he is a - May Allah forgive me for uttering this word - an Albanian" fit on this chart?

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>>52233622
Hmph, soft bellied brat, the world isn't so sweet to permit your naive mindset, arf arf!

>>52233779
In PF TN is the ultimate idaf alignment and many more people would fall under it than in D&D.

>>52235710
idaf?

>>52235774
*idgaf, as in I don't give a fuck.

>>52224005
I wanna follow the adventures of CE there, he seems like one fun guy.

>>52222633

>LG
Canada
"Canada’s role in the development of peacekeeping during the 20th century led to the establishment of Canada as a prominent world power. Canada's commitment to multilateralism has been closely related to peacekeeping efforts."
>NG
France
:Despite that qualification, it must be understood that France was deeply committed to the Cold War, like other European countries. The Cold War was not a purely Soviet‐American problem. France had, for instance, an important geostrategic role to play. But of course it followed its own agenda: especially the defence of its traditional world role"
>CG
The United Kingdom
"The wind of change is blowing through this continent. Whether we like it or not, this growth of national consciousness is a political fact."


>LN
Switzerland
"In 1815 the Congress of Vienna fully re-established Swiss independence and the European powers agreed to permanently recognise Swiss neutrality."
>TN
Sweden
"Sweden maintained its policy of neutrality during World War II. When the war began on September 1, 1939, the fate of Sweden was unclear. But by a combination of its geopolitical location in the Scandinavian Peninsula, successful realpolitik manoeuvring during an unpredictable course of events, and a dedicated military build-up after 1942, Sweden managed to maintain its official neutrality throughout the war."
>CN
India
"The organization was founded in Belgrade in 1961, and was largely conceived by India's first prime minister, Jawaharlal Nehru (...) In a speech given during the Havana Declaration of 1979, Fidel Castro said the purpose of the organization is to ensure "the national independence, sovereignty, territorial integrity and security of non-aligned countries" in their "struggle against imperialism, colonialism, neo-colonialism, racism, and all forms of foreign aggression, occupation, domination, interference or hegemony as well as against great power and bloc politics"."

1/2

>>52236426

>LE
Israel
" Israel maintains a policy known as "nuclear ambiguity" (also known as "nuclear opacity").[14][15] Israel has never officially denied nor admitted to having nuclear weapons, instead repeating over the years that it would not be the first country to "introduce" nuclear weapons to the Middle East, leaving ambiguity as to whether it means it will not create, will not disclose, will not make first use of the weapons or possibly some other interpretation of the phrase."
>NE
China
"They therefore believe that their party ideology must be dynamic to safeguard the party's rule, unlike the Communist Party of the Soviet Union, whose ideology became "rigid, unimaginative, ossified, and disconnected from reality.""
>CE
USA
"Looking back on it, I might have given Al Capone a few hints. The best he could do was to operate his racket in three districts. I operated on three continents." (General Smedley Butler)

>>52222582
I like this alignment system concept.

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>>52222288
I've been keeping track over the past six years or so of gaming. I seem to have no love for the middle ground.

>>52228695
underrated post

According to some russians on the internet, they do feel free because many laws are not enforced. They can drink at 11, ignore red lights, corrupt the tax collector to pay less, so they're free.
Obviously to me that sounds like they live in a post-apocalyptic wasteland and freedom doesn't mean corruption, crime and alcoholism everywhere, but what do I know.

>>52224156

True Neutral with chaotic and good leanings?

>>52238158
Indeed, the strictness of our laws is mitigated by their non-mandatory nature.

We are not free, though - Russia is an authoritarian state and Putin is basically a dictator. Overall, I'd say that Russia is Lawful Evil or Neutral Evil.

>>52222661
That's a pretty shit quote for chaotic evil. For fuck's sake he uses the word affidavit.