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Warhammer 40,000: The Age of the Emperor

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New subtitle for 8th edition.

Is this the beginning of the end? For me it already was in about 6th when the meta became a mess of big plastic kits and DLC-type formations, campaign books and datasheets.
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>>52221671

Source of bullshit.
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>>52221671

I am now fully convinced that Warhammer 40,000 is going to have big chances in 8th edition and a lot of the existing fan base will not be happy.

Less dystopian.
Massively simplified rules.
More huge mega-kits and a much brighter look to models, more in line with AoS.
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>>52221759

Age of Sigmar is now outselling WHFB. Out with the old, in with the new.
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>>52221797

Which is understandable when from about 6th onward they didn't really give Fantasy that much love, until it came to 8th which was basically just was poor fanfic teeing up for the End Times and AoS.
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>>52221797

Good for Games Workshop.

I don't care though, I want Warhammer to remain true to its roots.

Going after the normies will get GW more money but that will not be a game myself, or a large part of the existing fan-base, will enjoy.
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>>52221879
>remain true to its roots.
If the game had remained true to it's roots, you wouldn't even recognize it, you enormous faggot.
It's roots is the over the top schlock from RT and 2e which still managed to be more grimdark and awful than the koolaid people like you drank from 3e and 4e.
5th edition tried to resurrect some of the roots of 40k and people like you hated it precisely because you don't know what 40k was supposed to be.
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>>52221913

While there is a difference between Fantasy 1st edition and 8th edition, I think we can agree AoS was a massive break.

This massive break will be what 8th edition will be.

40K is different things to different people, just like Fantasy was. But we all agreed AoS was a huge break in terms of aesthetics, lore and rules. This is what 8th edition is going to be.

Maybe you should leave Games Workshop's finance department every now and then and smell the roses.
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>>52221913

You're talking bollocks mate. They threw in a few little throwbacks in to 2nd ed mechanics, but 5th was barely different from 4th. However on the army building side of things, GW had a clear plan to make most basic units cannon fodder that has only got worse with each edition since.

There's a difference between the "over the top schlock" of virus grenades and silly stuff from RT/2nd and the big kit wankathon we have now.
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>>52221943
>It makes money therefore it's good
>Twilight made tons of money
>Therefore it's the good literature.
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>>52221978

It's like watching history repeat itself.

All the problems Fantasy 8th edition had are being forced into 40K. They're making basic troops worthless (as you said), releasing these huge kits and blatantly releasing pay to win formations.

I can only assume Kirby plans to get out soon and wants to boost sales short term and then get his shares worth.

unfortunately for the long terms health of the game it will be fatal and we'll seen players falling more and more.
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>>52222002

Anon, I think you've misinterpreted me.

Look at who I was replying to.

I was trying to say that I don't care if 8th is more successful, it will not be 40K to me.
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>>52222014
Ah my apologies.
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>>52222004
>They're making basic troops worthless
>what are Windriders
>what are Horrors
>what are Renegades

>blatantly releasing pay to win formations
>when the most powerful formations in the game are in-codex or free
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>>52222041

They are all new troop kits.

A basic Space Marine has never been so worthless. For the first time in the game they are seen as a tax and 5 man squads are common because people just want to fill the two mandatory Troop requirements.

In regards to formations, they pieces of paper may be free, but the bonuses require you to buy X of this model and Y of this and oh yes you need one of these not so well selling kits.
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>>52221879
>More money

They're a PLC, they will always do what makes them more money. Regardless of what the fans think.
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>>52222004
>troops useless
>what are necron warriors
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>>52222062
>They are all new troop kits.
Except they literally aren't. Jetbikes are old as fuck, and even the new model didn't drop until after the codex that made them broken. Horrors are old as fuck too, and Split broke them before Blue and Brims even had models outside of Silver Tower. Renegades do not even have models.

>For the first time in the game they are seen as a tax
Far from the first time Tactical Marines have been a tax, newfag.
>5 man squads are common because people just want to fill the two mandatory Troop requirements
Or get a free Rhino in Gladius. Gladius Tactical Squads are excellent for their price.

>In regards to formations, they pieces of paper may be free, but the bonuses require you to buy X of this model and Y of this and oh yes you need one of these not so well selling kits.
>oh no I have to buy models how horrifying
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>>52222101
>Astroturfing this hard
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>>52222081

They will, even Priestly said they wanted to make money.

However, even he admitted it had gone to far. They wanted to pay everyone's cheques at the end of the day, current GW is screwing the fuck out of the player base at the detriment of the game. What they don't realise is that they're killing the game long term.

>>52222101

Jesus Christ... are you genuinely this retarded?

Do you not think when GW release a codex they know that said unit will be coming out down the pipeline? They knew Horrors and Jetbikes would be getting shiny new kits and so made them great. They probably purposefully didn't limit the number of Scatter lasers you could take in the hope some moron would go buy more kits to have one on every bike.

> Hey anon it's fine all you have to do is use this formation where you get free transports and have to buy 5 Rhino kits...

FUCKING WEW LAD
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>>52222129
Oh, you're one of the "all the new shit is broken" autists. Well then... Mutilators, Warp Talons, Orkanauts, and the entirety of the Thousand Sons codex bar Magnus. There. This will be my last (You) for you, friend.

>Hey anon it's fine all you have to do is use this formation where you get free transports and have to buy 5 Rhino kits...
It's like GW are trying to sell models or something. Really noodles your noggin.
Besides, the most broken formations (Riptide Wing) are broken because they have no tax units.
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>>52222149

Good, please see yourself out of this thread if you're just going to furiously slurp GW semen.

Not all the new stuff is broken, it varies a great deal (sometimes to the extent that I think they don't know what they're doing).

Yeah they want to sell models.

Lets compare this to Flames of War V4, I know you GW cock suckers don't play any other game if it isn't approved by your master but bear with me.

They release new plastic kits for the Stuart, Crusader and Grant tanks. They were the only tanks in the book and obviously Battlefront wanted to sell them. However, they were balanced with older models and when the later books come out, the older tank models will be perfectly usable with the newer kits. In fact, the game is designed to need a balance like 40K used to be, before GW just thew their arms in the air and tried to force all this 'unbound' shit down our throats.
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>>52222203

>Battlefront

Could you try this again with a game that isn't shit?
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>>52222212

Well this is a 40K thread so we'll be talking a lot about shit games in here my friend.
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>>52222222

Mama fucking Mia.

Cast with fucking irresistible force.
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>>52222014
>>52222041

I played 2nd through 4th, from my observations down the club it seems like this.

>Where's your formation from mate? Oh, book 3 of 5 of the Shield of Baal series at £30 each and it lets me take 300 points of free units that deep strike turn 1 and can assault

It's only a minor gripe but the weapons don't have the internal consistency any more either. Back then, it was maybe a little boring but a new tank variant would come with Lascannons or Plasma Cannons instead of the original Heavy Bolters or whatever, you knew roughly what it would perform as. Now, to sell new kits they come with "Nemesis Plasmablasters", "Lasbolt Thunderstrikers" or whatever they've pulled out of their arse and given a dafter statline to sell a few more.
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>>52222222

Figures that Septs would be in a 40k thread.

At least he speaks truth.
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>>52222222
Faggot from before here, just replying to let you know I'm going out to find the biggest, meanest GW cock to suck until I die of either asphyxiation or drowning by semen. I wasn't going to come back here but my resolute opinion has been decisively overturned, as I can and will never be able to argue with septs. Praise kek.
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>>52222245
formations ruined 40k. you have to have read each thing they relase, book or ereader release, just to know what your army or others can do. remember when it was just a rulebook and a codex?
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>>52221879

>normies

Warhammer is basically THE game for wargaming normies. Stop complaining.
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>>52222149
>the most broken formations (Riptide Wing)
except the riptide wing forces you to buy 3 big models whereas most sensible people would get 1 and then not buy a second until they get to the "i'm just painting and collecting tau for the heck of it stage"
same thing with the baneblade formation, sure i can field 3 baneblade variants in a 1500 point game now, but unless i'm someone with 30k+ points of guard at home i'm unlikely to actually own 3 of the bastards already
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>>52222245
Aw nostalgia. I was also a 40k Player in 2nd then came back in... 5th? This new formation stuff is super weird and confusing to me, and buying terrain.
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>>52222269
>wargaming normies
The wargaming part there is a pretty significant caveat with regards to the whole normies thing.
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>>52222262
formations are cancer it completely ignores the balancing effect that a CAD has to
hopefully gw will make the formations cost points like in aos
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>>52222262

They did but it didn't have to be this way.

If they build the game around them and tried to balance them then they could work well like they do in a lot of games.

Currently they're bolted on to a game that was never designed for them and they're just using them as an excuse to buy 3 of this new kit rather than the 1 any sensible person would.
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>>52222271
The Baneblade formattion is utter shit and exists only for faggots who already owned that many tanks. It would be wiped by a well-made 1500 list in that points bracket.
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>>52222284
>implying earlier editions of 40k were balanced
>implying 40k has ever been balanced
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>>52222284
i havent looked at aos, but this would be a perfect solution, making formations cost points to get the benefiets
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Did you guys know that the metal Imperial Guard range was released in 1994, the plastic Cadians were released in 2003. Vostroyans in 2006.

It has been over a decade since the Imperial Guard got infantry, if they got new models they would sell, why does GW only make Space Marine kits, i know they sell, but pouring all their money into one range always seemed crazy.
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>>52222299
>if they got new models they would sell
Hello, Sisters player.
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>>52222299

Because they only care about shot term gain. New kits for Orks and Guard classic units would help the long term help but they only care about their position on the stock exchange.
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>>52222307
Only in theory, I have 2 squads from the old days...
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>>52222315
Guard players have some of the hugest armies i've seen online, and the fact that companies like Victoria miniatures purely on guard knock offs shows the market is there... GW have been fucking themselves for a long time, though i have to admit that since the CEO change and the relaunched WD they are doing some things right.

Shit I will probably even buy my first GW product since.. 2010? If that Armageddon/Necromunda game is as advertised.
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>>52222315
I wish they would take Orks back to having a bit of character. Plus get rid of the ape like bodies and gargantuan heads.
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>>52221671
Why the fuck doesn't GW have the balls to streamline 40k and update the system.

I have left for quite some time now, but it seems that rules keep getting tacked on, and on, and on. Streamline the lot of them, diversify were needed and for fuck sakes get rid of the You-Go-I-Go system.
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>>52221797
>AoS
>Outselling WHFB
>AoS Fans think this is impressive

You know thats a pretty low bar seeing as how they did not need to sell much to do that. Its not that impressive.
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>>52222299
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>>52222962
No, AoS fans KNOW it isn't impressive, it is the diehard WHFB fans that are surprised by it, because they refuse to accept that WHFB barely sold anything near the end of its life.
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>>52222284
>balancing effect that a CAD
Because CAD Eldar are completely balanced and it's only because dirty formations that the poor Scatbikes become broken.
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>>52223011
No, no WHFB fans know it did not sell much toward the end because it was like a 600 price tag to get into the hobbies.
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>>52223025
Free formations and the Ally matrix need to die in a fire
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>>52223028
Say hello to MTG. 600 is nothing.
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>>52223035
>t. Eldar player
Fuck off, formations are a great concept, they just need to remove the bullshit taxless formations and slap points costs on what remains. Allies are also fine and fluffy as long as superfriends is nerfed.
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>>52223041

yeah but you don't need to put together and paint anything in mtg, 600 for 60 models for a single unit that costs only 300 pts in a game that was normally played at 2000
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>>52222203
>Yeah they want to sell models.
I know I fucking hate how GW makes all their new kits OP as shit to push them.

I was seeing so many unstoppable Nobz in 'Nauts when the Orkanauts came out that just tabled entire armies.

Then came Thousand Sons, I can't wait until Rubrics and Scarab Occult Terminators are OP as FUCK

And now with Gathering Storm 3? That book's OP as shit formations made Fallen and Grey Knights top tier. GG Kit pushing GW.
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>>52223047
Thats....thats litereally what i said, free formations are stupid, they can keep them but not for free. Who ever made 7th had a massive boner for apoc games and said LETS MAKE THIS THE TEMPLATE! and then removed the points from the formations. In the way long ago, you had to pay for the 3 vindicators then like another 100 points for the formation.

>>52223052
This, problem was in WHFB you needed like shit 60 zombies for a single unit which took forever to build and paint and that was like one small unit out of how many more you needed?
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>>52223047
Wish they went back to 6e Allied Tree where Imperium subfactions wasn't BFFs with everyone.
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>>52221797
>supported game outselling almost-not-supported game
>breaking news
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Time to spice things up.
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>>52223000
I said guard, not some glory boy twats with warhammer fantasy breastplates.
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>>52223179
>glory boy twats with warhammer fantasy breastplates.

You should be careful. You want new IG infantry, you should expect something like this. GW isn't going to release plastic WW2 knock offs.
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>>52223234
Well maybe so, why did they make them so sigmarine though, what ever happened to blanche style grimdark.

Even a redesigned Cadian kit would do, the old ones are so lacking detail and blocky.
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>>52221879
Only turboautists enjoy Age of Sigmar.
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>>52222222
Flawless victory.
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>>52223290
Just play infinity f you want good models, fuck off I like blocky goofiness.
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>>52223557
why though? GW has competent sculptors they could make something good.
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>>52223557
>cheesecake: the miniatures range
>good
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>>52221797
Reminder that Fantasy as a whole was outsold by just the Tactical marine box at one point.
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>>52222002
>the good literature

Alright, I laughed.
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>>52222222

Mein Gott.
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>>52222222

WITNESSED
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>>52223594
GW has competent sculptors.

Their design is shit though.
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>>52223598
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>>52222222
checked and kek'd
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>>52222222
The indisputable truth of septs.
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>>52223745
Hasn't been good since they shackled the Perry's to the fucking LOTR wagon.
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>>52223687
Always despised the proportions on the default Space Marine, they looked so out of whack, that weird hourglass shape with the huge shoulders and tiny waists... The people who do true scale marines are my heros I would actually buy normal Marines if they looked like them.
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>>52223755
Infinity fags should have their balls ripped off so they cannot contaminate the rest of the world.
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>>52223594
Those outfits look great, but man, those guns look awful. Every time I see a DKoK army the guns are skinny and warped and bent.
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>>52224113
it's the problem with resin, that's why we need new plastic guard, avoid that problem.

You know what I love about this pic, the illustrator understands that Heroic Scale miniatures should not be drawn 1:1 when your drawing a human, this guys equipment and rifle are actually the size a human being could manage. Some plastic guard like this would get me to spend money at GW again. Regardless of their crazy ass price.
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>>52221797
>Age of Sigmar is now outselling WHFB 8th edition
Fair fix
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>>52221671
I for one am just glad that against all odds and recent precedent, Gathering Storm's fluff turned out overall to be okay. And then the rumor mill has now turned decisively towards the new marines being a new mark of powered armor, instead of Ultra Sigmarines shit.

Maybe, just maybe, there's hope for 40k.
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>>52222222
Tau Sept R'kt
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>>52224232
>Gathering Storm's fluff turned out overall to be okay
There is still couod be the next Storm-event.
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>>52222004
>Kirby plans to get out soon
You do know he is out, right?
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>>52224666
He's still there, just not CO anymore.
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>>52222203
>Lets compare this to Flames of War V4, I know you GW cock suckers don't play any other game if it isn't approved by your master but bear with me.

> However, they were balanced with older models and when the later books come out, the older tank models will be perfectly usable with the newer kits. In fact, the game is designed to need a balance like 40K used to be

Why should I care about Battlefront models when WWII miniatures have been available practically since the war ended?
Who's sucking whose cock?
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>all these chapters with interesting fluff soon will be wiped out by nee Ultramarines
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>>52226326
But they are advancing the narrative! Don't worry about it. It will improve 40K just like how AoS improved Fantasy.
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>>52226326
Most recent rumors say it's just a new mark of powered armor, thank God.
Rumor also said the fluff would have justification for why new chapters would have the new mark, which is something I don't get. Wouldn't new chapters have access to the new mark because it's new? Usually when old chapters have something new ones don't it's because it's lost technology.
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>>52222101
>renegades have no models

What is, Forgeworld? Or chaos cultists ?
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>>52222284
>paying for formations like in AoS

Why does everyone credit AoS with this? This was a thing back in Apoc, when GW still had some sense of caring about balance in their games.
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>>52227266
>Apoc
>Balance

AoS does it in the actual game, not the bonus mode 10,000 point disasters of hilarious fun times that Apoc was. So it's built right into the main-line instead of being an extra supplement that not all of the peple involved would have used, in other words.
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>>52223052
>600 for 60 models

Wtf what would you buy that would cost that much? Unless someone is making an all greatswords army or something.
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>>52224113

>skinny

I think that's more a problem with you being used to GWs retardedly massive "small arms".

Them being warped is just forgeworld being shit.
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>>52227300
This was back before it was encouraged to just play Apoc without points, and there was no unbound in regular 40k. What I mean is at the time GW still tried to balance their game. And while yes, Apoc wasn't meant to be balanced, I would argue that Apoc from that time is more balanced than regular 40k today. As formations were toned down, superheavies were a rare thing, as not many had them, unlike today where everyone and their friend had either a Knight or a Wraith Knight. Idk anon, just I think people shouldn't credit AoS as if it had this ground breaking idea of adding points to formations, since that was already a thing.
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>>52227401
It's not the size, it's the fact that the middle is not filled in enough. They look stupid.
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>>52223179
>glory boy twats with warhammer fantasy breastplates.

t. man of shit taste

Scions look badass and the design fits the Gothic aesthetic, unlike the cool looking but generic-scifi Kasrkin models.
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Thoughts on multi-melta?

I really like the way it looks.

Is it useless on tacticals?
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>>52227733
Short ranged heavy weapon on a none relentless platform, kinda disappointing
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>>52227330

a bit hyperbolic on my part but right up to the End Times GW was featuring 60 (wo)man units of witch elves and things like that in WD batreps
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Fucking faggots not linking new thread
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>>52223028
It always was, ironically unless you went for big kits.

Even at the start the rank and file costs were colossal, simpler and quicker to just go dragons and big fuckin steam tanks and shit.

Hadn't been a cannons and infantry game since 1E.

>>52223179
They're wearing carapace armour, same as the RT-era grenadiers they're essentially replacing.

Why are you so young?

>>52224038
One of them blew his own arm off. They weren't likely to stay full time anyway, since they wanted to go and do historical figures on their own.

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>>52227733

Rhino top hatch is traditional, but the Razorback sort of obviates it. Useful if you know you're going to be defending against tanks, tho.
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>>52222284
formations were a wasted opportunity for GW to give light buffs to units that were underperforming.

Stick some Boyz with some Commandos and get infiltrate on the whole thing? sure why not.

Take 3 full tac squads and get to take 2 heavy or 2 specials per ten man instead of 1 and 1? sure cool.

Buy every admech model ever plus a knight and get 5-600 points of free shit? FUCK NO.
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>>52221797
WHFB has been around since the 80's

Playerbase has been accumulating a massive pile of miniatures for 30 years and everyone pretty much already has all figurines they need.

Thus, FBs 8th edition didnt sell that good. Sage of shitmar with its new noblegood appeal doesnt need to sell that much to outsell 8th, which was ironically less appealing to new people eventhough it had its rules more reliant on dice and less on manouvres and actual play due to the necessity of literal horde blocks of infantry. Those who played 8th, didnt have 5x10 models in a block, they used 2nd hand minis, unit fillers and alternative models from other companies, thus GWs plan to sell lods e fantasy minis flopped.
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>>52229678
>same as the RT-era grenadiers they're essentially replacing.
I forget, did RT have grenadiers? I thought it was just the command figures who got the breastplates.

More guardsmen should rock the shades, though. There's like one plastic catachan and one plastic cadian with them, and that's just unacceptable.
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>>52222041
"Lol formations arent pay to win"
-KDK and Crimson Slaughter's Possessed tax, because you know, they're the unit you were gonna get anyways
-Demons decurions (number of the god * units and huge auxiliary formations) because you need this amount of basic troops anyways, right ?
-even the free transport shit from C:SM is just a blatant bait for every waacfag to throw a bunch of money they would never have spent otherwise

They are doing what they did in fantasy, you now need more cheap units becausethey are worth shit ingame or less big n strong units that are all shiny and cost fuckmuch.

I just hope they don't fuck up 8E
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>>52229996
>I forget, did RT have grenadiers? I thought it was just the command figures who got the breastplates.

The answer is NO.
Imperial Guard Stormtroopers (2e) wearing fatigues and berets were the first elites, and they did not have breastplates.
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>>52221759

>Massively Simplified Rules

Good.
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>>52221818
GW gave fantasy a lot of love in 8th and end of 7th, total reworked armies full plastic range and monsters. It didn't work. GW have been thinking about this shit for years, it's not fair to say they didn't have one last throw of the dice with fantasy.
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>>52229678
>Razorback sort of obviates it

Step it up, Astartes
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>>52227733
back in the day people used to buy and split tac squads and leave the melta/MM in a rhino as a bunker... that's back when vehicles were impossible to kill and armies were single codex, so they had much MUCH more limited options.

right now, it's not worth it. grav cent devs or grav devs w/ ss term capt (gives relentless) (and rhinos to block LoS after firing) work better. among many other things.
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>>52229678
1E was about silly wizards summoning silly swarms. and stuff like saator. it wasn't a very good game.
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>>52229678

Fuck me mate, that's a high density of fucking clueless you've got there.

Fantasy First edition was very much still an RPG, not so much as RT but there's a reason 3rd is the infantry game of choice in the Oldhammer community.

Perry twins sticking to LotR and their own Perry Miniatures has very little to do with Michael losing his arm in 1996.
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>>52222222
Spicy.
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>>52229678
Don't call me young you scrub, i've been doing this shit for 25 years. The breastplate looks shit on the new Scions.

Replace it and they are decent models.
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>>52233349
>The breastplate looks shit
nah, it looks great
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>>52233349
>improvable seniority on an anonymous Mongolian Sock Puppet Theater imageboard means mine subjective opinions are more valid than yours
K.
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>>52233482
>improvable
Well I sure derped on that one.
unprovable
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>>52221978
>There's a difference between the "over the top schlock" of virus grenades and silly stuff from RT/2nd and the big kit wankathon we have now.

This, so much this.
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>>52230275
>total reworked armies full plastic range
Only Dark Elves.
For most of other armies they just made more expensive monsters.
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>>52222222

Welp, guess I have to quit 40k
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>>52236074

Tomb Kings got some cool shit outside of their Sphinxes. The Sepulchral kit and Ushtabi at least. I distinctly remember them because they were in the same WD as the 5th SoB Codex, and I wanted to buy into them so hard. However, I already had wood elves and couldn't afford to roll another army.
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How was your day anons? Did you get a game in? Get some models built?

I played my first game against GSC today and it was pretty fun, ended 10-4 in GSC favor, pic related.

Was a pretty fun game, killed plenty of the GSC but they replenished and was able to take more objectives than I could, but still good times were had.
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>>52236175
>Tomb Kings got some cool shit outside of their Sphinxes
Yeah 1 plastic infantry and the finecast monster infantry and cavalry.
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>>52229678
>Even at the start the rank and file costs were colossal, simpler and quicker to just go dragons and big fuckin steam tanks and shit.
Lad during 6th ed the average 2000 points army would have costed you 300€ tops, paints included.
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>>52230275
>GW gave fantasy a lot of love in 8th and end of 7th, total reworked armies full plastic range and monsters. It didn't work. GW have been thinking about this shit for years, it's not fair to say they didn't have one last throw of the dice with fantasy.
>turn the ruleset to absolute shit
>3 armies remain valid
>ramp up the prices so you need to shell 100 bucks for a single 200-points unit
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>>52230275
>GW gave fantasy a lot of love in 8th and end of 7th
Uh, no, fantasy did not get that much support really. Barley got any releases.
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>>52221671
One day you retards will have a source before you post this shit.
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>>52222041
>What are Guardians
>What are Guardsmen
>What are Gants
>What are Tac Marines
>What are Boyz

Holy fucking shit anon, how narrow-minded are you?
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>>52223025
Scatbikes became broken when someone let them be scatbikes. It's only in the most recent edition that an entire squad could buy it.
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