/tgesg/ - Weekend Elder Scrolls General

Does the Green Pact only apply to the wildlife inside of Valenwood?

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The Dreamer is Awake

>>52221399
IIRC because Y'ffre only applied it to his people, the Bosmer, who live in Valenwood

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I understand everything here except magnitude. What is "1-1+1-1"?

>>52221478
1 through 1 damage per cast, plus 1 through 1 more damage every level

>>52221985
Holy shit thank you so much!

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>>52221399
It only applies to the Bosmer. A deer can eat the berries off that bush and be fine. A dirty tree-elf tries it and gets divinely metamorphosized into a tooth-eyed murder-beast.
Now the more important question is Y'ffre; Yee-fray, If-re, Jephry, or Yiffer?

>>52223429
Jephre

>>52223429
Jason

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Why must Morrowind be the only game with kickass armor designs?

>>52223429
If-rr

>>52223658
ESO has some really nice armors

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>>52223797
plastic

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>>52223826
The concept art is pretty good, but the in-game art is mostly flat, and looks like it's just cosplay spandex.

>>52224130
I can agree with that I suppose

>>52224130
The only one of those that even looks passable is the Argonian one.

>>52223429
Y'ffer.

Let's be honest here: The Thalmor did nothing wrong.

>>52224503
I disagree with their methods but I agree with their end goal

>>52224531
That doesn't really follow. If you're going full Gnostic-genocidal (versus the Nihilist-genocidal of the Dwemer) then what method could possibly be disagreeable?

>>52224559
killing talos worshippers and banning freedom of speech is ok to you?

>>52224584
No, but ending the material plane is to you?

>>52224610
as long as everyone becomes immortal in the process, sure, no need for it since everyone lives in Aetherius

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>>52223826
I still hold that vanilla game didn't have nearly as much effort put into it as the DLCs on the account the initial release saw their team making designs for 10 races instead of just focusing on 1.

The difference in the level of detail when they were working on just one culture really shows.

For example this would have been easier to swallow if this was used for Imperial Armor instead of the basic 4th era crap we got.

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>>52224648
Or the Orcs trying to revive Trinimac worship going all out with their designs makes for good looking sets as well.

>>52224627
That's probably definitely not really how it works. I mean, [the spirits that would become mortals] didn't/couldn't even exist before the Mundus was constructed. It's not lie everyone is magically going to float up into the sky and become immortal forever if the Thalmor destroy Mundus. The only reason the idea is palatable to them in the first place is because they think they literally are descended from the et'Ada and that means they'll somehow return to that state.

Which, like, almost definitely would not happen.

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>>52224661
Even the Ra Gada style, which is less actual Ra Gada and more an exaggerated interpretation of Ra Gada based on what people see in tombs.

>>52224673
What's with the Hussar wings?

>>52224682
Like I said, it's supposed to be what the people of the 2nd Era THOUGHT they looked like based on what they see, which are highly exaggerated. So they take what was supposed to be ceremonial armor and use it and the real deal.

>>52224693
Okay, that makes sense. What I meant more though was what aspects of ancient Yokudan iconography is it derived from?

>>52224130
Like in Morrowind?

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>>52224707
Ancient Yokudan Tomb Guards that are frequently used to keep the tombs of venerable Redguard families safe.

I think they fill that same category of stahlrim for nords, where it's an ancient burial right that no one really remembers how to replicate anymore.

>>52224737
Wow, that seems really similar to the concept of the family tombs of the Dunmer, which is interesting because of how much the Ra'gada hate anything that even smells like undeath (which I guess in this case it might not be).

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>>52224751
Things may have been different when they first landed when magic was more abundant. After all, Tsun says it himself the Nords once respected magic users much more than the kind of aloofness you get in Skyrim.

>>52223429
Yiff-Fray

>>52224780
Is there an actual minotaur NPC in that DLC?

>>52224627
That's not what the process entails, anon.
The Thalmor literally want to set the universe back to the state that was before the creation of the physical world. Reunion with the divine. In other words, mortal spirits will no longer exist.

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>>52224804
Plenty, though they serve more as hard enemies. Rather than speaking with words, it's spoken with action, as you seldom find minotaurs anywhere except near or on ancient sites to Alessia or Morihaus, hinting there may be some intelligence but they just refuse to speak with outsiders.

>>52224648
What is the deal with the Order of The Hour, anyway? I've not played ESO yet.

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>>52224881
They're a quasi-religious order that is essentially the Alessian cult if it was toned down a bit.

>Pro Akatosh, like holy fuck do they love Akatosh. Sometimes it feels like they love Akatosh a bit too much.
>Anti Daedra
>Regularly preach that the Dark Brotherhood is false
>Secretly get help from an ex-member of the Brotherhood that uses the Order to hunt down and wipe out DB chapters.
>Since Cyrodiil is torn apart by a 5 way war(The 3 alliances vs. Imperial Legion Defectors vs. Molag Bal) they also serve as a militia force to protect themselves and help the Kvatch guard keep the city safe.

>>52223658
It's the only game that constructed an original culture.

Do you ever think it's weird that there are whole "generations" of people who consume the lore who haven't actually read the primary sources and only repeat things they've seen other people say online?

>>52224682
Because Slavs are niggers

>>52225353
At least half of the lore shit people talk about these days just comes from comments MK made on forums or reddit.

>>52225698
half? you are grossly exaggerating

>>52225698
Which is fine. I said "primary sources" not "the shitty games exclusively." It would be great if everyone who wanted to talk about the lore was well versed in MK's forum comments.

What I'm talking about are people who say things like
>I don't think that kalpas are ever actually mentioned in the games
It's not malicious, so it's hard to get worked up over though.

>>52225866
>It would be great if everyone who wanted to talk about the lore was well versed in MK's forum comments.
"The world would be a better place if everyone was a nolifer like I am"

>>52225922
I don't even know what that means.

>>52225933
You're not very intelligent, are you?

>>52225942
Is this the equivalent of someone who, when beaten in a video game, throws down the controller and accuses the victor of "being a nerd, and video games are stupid anyway"?

>>52225866
They're only mentioned briefly, why would most people remember it?

>>52225993
Because it's a very important concept when talking about the lore. When there are people who write walls of text about metaphysics based on regurgitated internet opinions but who can't even name the handful of times the terms they're using actually appear, it can be annoying. But, like I said, not malicious.

>>52225988
Except I don't see how you won at anything by failing to understand an extremely simple message, do you have autism for real?

>>52226056
I'm not saying I won, I'm saying you might be clinically retarded for entering into a conversation about fantasy lore and then saying that someone who knows knows more about it than you has no life. I understood what you said, but "nolifer" isn't any slang I've ever heard and also sounds like some fucking stupid Twitter shit.

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So it's official that Vivec and the other two murdered Nerevar, slaughtered Voryn Dagoth to take the tools for themselves, right?
And then because of Heart magicka fuckery, Dagoth Ur was able to reform over the years and eventually come back strong enough to kick Sotha Sil and Almalexia's asses and take their toys.
The Ash Vampires are basically zombies who can't really remember anything about things before (according to in-game dialogue from one of them.)
BUT ALSO
Dagoth Ur went mad guarding the tools, Nerevar died of his wounds at Red Mountain, ASV killed Ur and spun some bullshit about how they were right to become gods.
Both sides of the coin actually occured, correct? Or is the former the truth and latter some revisionist history that didn't really happen? From what I understand it only happened because CHIM, and I'm not sure what's in the game about that CHIM crap.

>>52226221
Yes, both happened/we don't know but for all intents and purposes both happened.

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>playing Morrowind with Acoustic Overhaul and custom music

>>52226259
>2036
>Playing Morrowind with the mainland, Skyrim, Cyrodiil, Stros M'Kai and most of the Oblivion realms modded in
There ain't no reaction image for that.

>>52226221
CHIM has nothing to do with The Red Mountain conflict. I would say your summation of events to be as right as possible with the limited information that the game gives without contradiction. I, however, would not refer to the Heartwights as zombies. They are some of the most intelligent ash creatures.

>>52226300
> wanting to play the abortion that was Redguard
Opinion discarded

>>52226353
Well, I'm talking about the landmass being modded into Morrowind during the time period of the late 3E, not the game itself.

Aside from that, naw.

>>52226320
CHIM almost certainly has to do with Red Mountain.
Vivec used it to create world where the Tribunal were gods.

>>52226300
>Skyrim, Cyrodiil, Stros M'Kai

Which mods?

I've only got the mainland and Oblivion realms. Added my own music to Oblivion realms too. Feels good, man.

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>>52226353
Cyrus was a pretty cool dude though.

>>52226406
That's from far out of left field, I'm not one dismiss outside of game kirkbride writings but I've never seen that before. Do you have a source for that?

>>52226259
MAO is great. I can't wait to play TR with OpenMW in 2027.

>>52226414
Skyrim: Home of the Nords and Province: Cyrodiil (both are hosted on Province Tamriel), and there are currently two (?) projects to recreate Stros, one is older and pretty much dead right now. There are a few other province mods on PT, like High Rock, but those are also basically dead.

>>52226486
That might be a reference to this quote from the Trial,
>But when Vehk the mortal reached into the Heart, he ceased to be anything except for what he wished to be. The axis erupted. There was an exact cracking, an instant of pure Aurbis, his hands burnt black by that ever-nil of static change, and Vivec the god who had never been had always been. A whole universe swelled up to legitimize his throne... as the old universe, where Vehk the mortal still lapped up Godsblood, warped itself to accept its new equivalent. And like all things magical it simply could not happen, could not Be. Red Mountain was the intersection of the Is-Is Not as it was of old, its center point, and it did not hold. And so the Dragon, having broken, saw fit to heal, turning into the world you know.

But it could still go either way, it isn't clear exactly when he achieved CHIM, and ultimately it doesn't matter.

>>52226616
Sorry, "Project Tamriel."

>>52226616
I though Home of the Nords only included the Reach and Province Cyrodiil only included Stirk.

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Sums up Morrowind quite well.

>>52226710
So far, which is why I wrote
>2036

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>>52224130
only the breton armor looks good

>>52226713
The only thing I don't recognize is all the green rats.

>>52226414
Which mod adds Oblivion realms?

What is the most Dunmer of melee weapons? Spears?

>>52223658
This is a problem affecting all modern fantasy games and some sci-fi ones too. It also affects art style in general. I really have no idea what caused it, but I blame comic book style of WoW.

>>52226907
That would be most Vehkian atleast, but it would seem that swords tend to be more popular choice especially katanas. Maces seem to be pretty common too. Scimitars seem to be oddly rare given that they regularly appear on concept art.

>>52226904
The Doors of Oblivion.

>>52221382
I want Harkon, Dagoth Ur, and Miraak to start a band.

>>52226757
that's just a thing the artist put in, it's not related to morrowind

so you didn't miss a reference, congrats anon

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>>52227138
>Miraak will never use dragon shouts for his metal scream.

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>>52226907
Probably swords, although Dunmer seem to use whichever weapon they want, instead of a racial bias towards one specifically. Nerevar used a sword, has been pictured with a spear, and I believe used an axe and a bow.

>>52227339
He also has his ethos knife or something.

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>tfw the Blades ceased to be in the 4th era
>tfw the last remnant of Akaviri culture got destroyed by Thalmor fucking shits

>>52227382
Where's that?

>>52227427
Cloud Ruler? It's in northern Cyrodiil.

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>>52227382
Fucking scalie.

>>52227448
Oh, for a second it looked like Morrowind's Solstheim

>>52227481
Yeah, sometimes Morrowind and Oblivion can look really similar from afar.

Ignore Thalmor posters, hide Thalmor threads

>>52226486
Basically what this anon posted
>>52226616
There are other hints
>For I have crushed a world with my left hand,' he will say, 'but in my right hand is how it could have won against me. Love is under my will only
http://en.uesp.nethttp://en.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:36_Lessons_of_Vivec,_Sermon_1

>In this world and others EIGHTEEN less one (the victor) is the magical disk, hurled to reach heaven by violence.
>The ending of the world is ALMSIVI.
http://en.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:36_Lessons_of_Vivec,_Sermon_18

So the games themselves are Elder Scrolls, right?

>>52228157
That's what Bethesda went with at one point, as a joke. They said they had Elder Scrolls in their basement, and that they looked at them to make the games, but one of them was broken and that's why it's an imperfect view. IIRC.

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>>52227951
Waitaminute. Is "Kill Six Billion Demons" inspired by Kirkbride's writing? Or is "reach heaven by violence" a somewhat common phrase?

>>52228724
i remember kirkbride saying that he follows the comic,i don't remember where though
also i think abbadon does take inspiration from morrowind

>>52228553
Literal "elder scrolls" would be the lore bible that does exist within Bethesda intranet.

>>52227461
lol

>>52228724
yeah
>>52228803
http://michaelkirkbride.tumblr.com/post/79083487769/orbitaldropkick-zoss-master-of-the-universe

>>52228919
thanks for the source anon

>>52228724
It's both. Reaching heaven by violence is direct quote from Aleister Crowley.

>>52229492
Is it, though? It's rooted in Crowley and based on his ideas about Love, but is there a direct quote?

>>52221478
>>52221985
Small correction: the magnitude is applied each round, not each cast. So multiply the magnitude by the duration if you want to know the full effect of the spell.

>>52229741
I might recall it incorrectly since it's been few years I read some Crowley books on net, but I'm pretty sure it was there. I was studying Sermons at same time and under influence of MK psychosis, so it might have been just that.

Why aren't you at the Temple of Kynareth in Daggerfall worshiping? You're not some Daedra worshiping scum are you anon?

>>52228724
1000%, yes.

>"The Imperials think us all to be mindless beasts. I'm proof of their ignorance."

What did he mean by this?

>>52230760
it's lawless, not mindless

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>>52228724
http://killsixbilliondemons.com/influences/

>Writing wise Kill Six Billion Demons is heavily inspired by Clive Barker’s Abarat and Michael Kirkbride’s 36 Lessons of Vivec, for the Morrowind video games, which tangentially got me into reading Buddhist and Hindu philosophy and writing all the weird crap you find in the comic.

Basically: Yes.

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I'm sorry, Vivec

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>>52224130
>The concept art is pretty good
>that pic

None of those armour sets have any characteristics that make them unique to their race. Completely generic and uninspired.

>>52224130
the Dunmer one looks like a copypaste of Skyrim's ebony armour, which is a Nordic design

What do any of y'all suppose is the significance (if any) of the Daedra converting Jyggalag into Sheogorath at same time when the Aedra sundered Lorkhan in the Dawn? Varieties of faith make it a point to mention that Sheo didn't exist until Lorkhan was separated from his divine center.

>>52233229
There's probably an enantiomorph there.

>>52233229
Something something Sithis-shaped hole.

>>52233251
kind of, there's no observer, just the rebel and the king, so it's not stable, hence why Sheogorath turns back into Jyggalag

>>52224130
>khajiit armour just straight up ignores the existing description of what khajiiti armour tends to look like

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Are Argonians the perfect Legion soldier?

>bonuses to medium armor and spear
>immune/highly resistant to diseases and poison
>can breath underwater
>perfect discipline through hist hive mind

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>>52233600
>hist hive mind
Not a thing.

>>52233600
The first one would actually do anything in-universe because stats don't actually exist like that.
The last one is exactly why they're the worst legion soldier, you will never have actual control over them and as soon as you do order something that's good for the empire but bad for the legion "suddenly" he doesn't know how to swing a weapon or comes down with an unknown argonian specific disease or breaks his arm while "falling" down the stone stairs or just straight up deserts you.

>>52233654
*but bad for the HIST
fuck

>>52233600
How are you supposed to crush the savages beneath your hobnailed feet if you can't wear boots?

>>52221382
How do I stop being a filthy n'wah?

>>52233684
You can't fix n'wah
You'll be scum forever

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>try to play a wizard lizard in skyrim
>it's no different from my other mage runs
How can this game be so dull in terms of game mechanics? Every playthrough is the fucking same

>>52237153
Have you sworn loyalty to King Gizzard?

>>52224627
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rapture
?

>>52225477
KEK.
Ř here.

>>52226406
>Vivec's feats and ascending are his own achievements ant totes not blasphemous hearthfuckery.
Ordinators pls go.

https://openmw.org/2017/distant-terrain/
What's left at this point?

>>52237750
swift casting?

>>52237841
Is toggle sneak in already?
Inb4 >>/v

>>52237896
i dont know actually, I'm not going to use OpenMW till 1.0 is out for various reasons

>>52237841
>>52237896
Pretty sure these aren't in yet. Also, I would want MSE support for legacy purposes. Would be also nice to have all those graphic enhancements MGE XE adds and even more graphical modernisation since I have monster PC (one of reasons I haven't switched is because my computer is able to run MGE XE well enough), but these I can do without.

>>52237841
>>52237896
Both of those could be easily implemented though.

>>52233229
>Jyggalag
He isn't real m8

>>52238756
I thought it was canon that Sheo in Skyrim was the Champion of Cyrodiil, which would imply Jyggalag being real in some form.

It cheapens Shivering Isles' storyline in my opinion and it doesn't explain why Jygg has no worshippers in Mundus, but them' the canon.

>>52239229
No, it's not necessarily canon. It's possible, it's hinted at, but never stated. Did your character do it? Did they not? Either way, it doesn't matter now.

>>52239277
>>52239229
Jyggalag is just a sheogorath ruse
He never actually existed.

>>52239377
I call bull. You fight him in Shivering Isles. Cite a source or be placed in the Ministry of Truth for reeducation

>>52237153
>tfw the only fun run I've had so far is as a serial killer werewolf
>tfw accidentally to far and killed several essential NPCs (it's a mod)
>tfw cannot complain the game with him
>tfw try to restart as a subtler werewolf but it's not as fun

>>52239480
Where else does he appear outside of greymarch?

>>52231970
morrowind is literally art

>>52239747
Where do you see peryite or clavicus vile outside of shrines? Hard to have shrines built with no followers in tamriel.

>>52239747
You dont. Because he's weak right now. Barely has any worshippers, so his power is low. Needs to build up his plane of Oblivion back up from scratch and gain more followers

>>52239846
"building up his plane of Oblivion" is why Jyggalag got turned into Sheogorath in the first place

>>52237442
He found CHIM because of his blasphemous Heart fuckery.

>>52239826
>>52239846
He's literally only in 1 book
He has no followers
No shrines
There's virtually no evidence of him existing outside of the shivering isles
Hell, the author of the book only knows about him because he visited the shivering isles

Why would you take the ramblings of a madman at face value?

>>52240030
because you meet him and talk to him and face him in battle. thats not proof enough?

>>52240068
How is that proof that he is his own being and not a creation of sheogorath?

>>52240030
I like your take on this.
I tend to follow the line of thought that the entire Shivering Isles is merely what's left of Arden Sul's inner psyche, and that everything that occurs within are the broken machinations of his own mind.
The idea that Jyggalag himself was just a manifestation of Sul's disturbed imaginings makes a lot of sense. Especially considering the supposed origin of Jyggalag/Sheogorath told in the quest, which feels so literal minded to me, that only a mortal could have come up with it.

>>52240030
Are you being willfully stupid? The other daedra princes cursed him into being sheogorath. That's why there is shrines to the mad god and not the god of order. Because for a long time outside of sheogorath's realm Jyggalag didn't exist with the exception of the gray march. He started existing truly once the Champion of Cyrodil mantled the mad gods position.

I've read both 36 lessons and other such material, but im having a hard time understanding what CHIM is gameplay story wise. Can anyone explain it? Is it just an all powerful magic word?

>>52240387
CHIM is both a magical word, a state of enlightenment and a form of divinity. CHIM is basically a realization of the Wheel and I AM AND I ARE ALL WE. While it may or may not confer special powers onto those who have it (both Vivec and Talos have other, alternatives means of divinity), it is a stepping stone and means to Mastery over the Mundus.

>>52240329
Source?

As far as I know, there's no actual evidence of Jyggalag becoming his own thing after the events of Shivering Isles.

>>52240447
>Now, though, you have ended the cycle. You now hold the mantle of madness, and Jyggalag is free to roam the voids of Oblivion once more. I will take my leave, and you will remain here, mortal.

This, of course, does not confirm anything.

>>52240468
I think it is quite clear. There is no reason to push unreliable narration on this.

>>52224130
>The concept art is pretty good

That shit is almost entirely awful. It's all overdesigned plates, metal faulds, weird hard leather, triangular pauldrons, and stupid looking overdesigned shields. There are no interesting silhouettes, and nothing that looks remotely realistic except for maybe the Argonian one.

I also have a sneaking suspicion that pretty much none of these are true to what the factions/races actually use in terms of equipment. The wood elf in particular is laughable.

>>52226713
>full daedric armor
>Divayth nowhere to be seen

I don't like what this implies.

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>>52221403

>implying the people who write TES lore now can even remotely comprehend Kirkbride's philosophy

>>52240329
>The other daedra princes cursed him into being sheogorath.
Funny how none of them seem to mention it
Believing everything said in sheograth's realm is true is the elder scrolls equivalent of "you really think someone would do that? just go on the internet and tell lies?"

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>>52240932
the writing team is pretty much unchanged, and unfiltered kirkbride is fucking trash

read this rubbish and notice how it gets really bad at the end there, when its pure kirkbride not restricted by the games

>>52241069
wtf is TalOS? Is it better than win10?

>>52240932
Kuhlmann still works for Bethesda, so yeah, someone there still gets it.

>>52241118
Todd Howard surprisingly gets it too, but his problem as project leader is that he literally has no standards. He likes MKs lore and all good stuff, but is equally impressed by boring shit and considers casual mechanics innovative. He also has strange obsession with violence and his sense of humor is bizarre.

>>52241069
No, it really has, and no, he really isn't.

>>52241089
TalOS is just another way of spelling Talos, or Talos after his apotheosis.

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>>52241280
Todders is a puzzling human bean.

>>52241367
....why??????

>>52241401
Because he took the place of Lorkhan (space) and could be likened, but it's really just wordplay, to an operating system or a virus.

>>52241069
I like it though.

>>52241429
It should be noted, without speaking of the quality, that a looooooooooooooooot of it is speculation. The broad strokes, though, are true.

>>52240387
CHIM is a state of ultimate mastery and sovereignty where one is drawn back outside of time to sit and preside over the very birth of possibility (or PSJJJJ).

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>>52241357
Kuhlmann is around, Kirkbrides writings are often referenced and used, while he himself is busy writing for freaking minecraft

>>52241429
well there is no cure for shittaste

>>52241527
Yeah, KK and Todd still are, but pretty much no one else is. I think it's great when MK things get nods or are included. AFAIK he was working on a Batman game, actually.

>>52240430
That makes sense, and is sort of what I understood from it. Why then does Vivec need the heart of lorkhans power if he knows the secret word? Was this more the desire of ALMSI?

>>52241367
No, it's not that simple. TalOS is new the operating system (some would say virus) for Mundus machine which makes reality. That's why Cyrodiil got de-jungled.

>>52241585
Because CHIM itself is just the enlightment. It doesn't really give you powers to manipulate reality on that scale as Vivec did.

>>52241585
Well, it could be argued a few ways. One is that CHIM, as enlightenment, doesn't grant any intrinsic power, and someone like Vivec or Talos would need the Heart or the Thu'um in order to act on it. Another is that Vivec did not actually achieve a state of CHIM until after the events of Morrowind (the game), where retroactively he had achieved it long ago in the version of reality we see in the Sermons. It's not exactly clear.

>>52241590
Right, that's what I meant by apotheosis.

>>52241585
Vivec was replaced by Talos.

>>52241642
I'm pretty sure Sermons are actual historical account that Vivec made into reality utilizing power of the Heart and break of the Dragon. I don't know where are you getting that Vivec achieved CHIM after Morrowind because it's pretty clear both from Sermons and his dialogue that he had achieved it long ago.

>>52241746
As the Ruling King yeah, but that doesn't undo realizations of CHIM.

>>52241772
It's not like that historical account existed prior to his open Heart surgery, though. It's a version of the events that came into being either in the instant of his contact with the Heart or...eh, actually, you're right, he probably did just get it then.

Ultimately, it does not matter though.

>>52240987
Denial on the basis of "I don't believe it" versus what is actually said in the game won't win anyone to your way of thinking. Jyggy is clearly out there. Sheo in Skyrim even references things only the Champion of Cyrodil was present for. We don't see any mention of Jyggy by virtue that he has no shrines in Mundus, no worshipers, and what is going on in Oblivion isn't the focus of Skyrim.

>>52241825
I like to think that Vivec used Heart to reset time (possibly because Numidium wrecked everything in that reality) and make himself and his friends to be born as gods. Then after that events in Sermons transpired and Vivec got CHIM from sucking on Bal's dick.

>>52240932
The amount of jerking off over Kirkbride annoys the shit out of me. He's not the next Tolkien or [insert brilliant author here], he's a man who tried to write a story while off his bean on LSD. Then when he was sober again tried to pass it off as some deep shit rather than drug induced ramblings.

>>52241913
It's possible, this quote was posted earlier in the thread:
>>But when Vehk the mortal reached into the Heart, he ceased to be anything except for what he wished to be. The axis erupted. There was an exact cracking, an instant of pure Aurbis, his hands burnt black by that ever-nil of static change, and Vivec the god who had never been had always been. A whole universe swelled up to legitimize his throne... as the old universe, where Vehk the mortal still lapped up Godsblood, warped itself to accept its new equivalent. And like all things magical it simply could not happen, could not Be. Red Mountain was the intersection of the Is-Is Not as it was of old, its center point, and it did not hold. And so the Dragon, having broken, saw fit to heal, turning into the world you know.

>>52241792
Yes, he still knows of CHIM, but no longer resides in the place in which it is acted upon.
Vivec is no longer the Master, that is Talos now and the world is built off of him.
consider what >>52241590 said.

As far as I can tell, the idea that CHIM is an innate state of realization or awareness of hidden knowledge, seems to be inaccurate.
Lorkhan also observed the Tower's Secret and realized his place and individuality in the universe. Did he achieve CHIM? No he merely set the path to do so.

>>52241922
>he's a man who tried to write a story while off his bean on LSD
It's funny you should say that because the first time I did acid I spent two hours explaining the Sermons of Vivec to my trip partner.

>>52241922
No one gives a shit. He's inarguable the most unique defining factor in TES, the only thing that sets it apart from any other generic, terrible fantasy series, and, this is an opinion, the best writer the series has ever had and probably the best writer in video games. The next Tolkien? No, probably not, but compared to the rest of this awful, awful genre he's probably the best fantasy author around today. He and others are on the record about how it went down, and "lol drugs 420 this is so wacky like, Hinduism...in fantasy?!?!? Crazy!" ain't it.

>>52241963
But that's only because as an immortal, timeless et'Ada Lorkhan was not equipped to achieve a state of CHIM. That's why he came up with the idea for the Mundus, so someone there, with limits, could. As above so below, etc.

>>52241922
Actually the funny thing is that Sermons was fueled by just booze, coffee and (oddest of them all since opioids should dull one's imagination) pain meds. I'd bet he would achieve CHIM irl if he took something more mind bending like LSD.

I dream of a thread where we talk about texts, not writers.

>>52242080
Right, I was going to say, it was bourbon that wrote the sermons, not LSD.

>captcha: Kirkside 1600
Welcome to the Kirkside.

>>52241985
You really haven't read much books if you think MK is best fantasy author of our times. He is objectively one of best video game writers of our times though, but it's not like there's much competition since even Avellone has gone downhill.

>>52242145
You're right about that, I don't.It's just that what he writes actually seem like they could be from another universe with no contrivances. Stuff like Histories of Strange Pre-Marriage.

>>52241843
But what's said in the game is literally in the mind of an insane God, there's no reason to believe he's telling the truth.

>>52242024
This is true but not the point.
The reason Lorkhan created Mundus was in pursuit of his own realization of the Tower's Secret. He wasn't trying to bring others to his previous position but continue the path to which they can act upon it.
Mundus is itself the axis in which one can ascend beyond past the strictures of the World Egg. In order to find CHIM one has to be willing to take it first, through force, reaching heaven by violence.

>>52240690
Oh, shit

Would Time matter at all in Aetherius?

>>52243637
No Akatosh, no time.

>>52239846
The truth is he never comes back. Freeing Sheogorath happens every greymarch. Arden Sul was the last person to mantle him, who did the same steps in SI as you did.
Jyggalag is real, but he will never come back.

>>52239921
That's what i was saying anon.
Hearth first, CHIM after.

>>52224920
Oh my god his face.
"This is what qualifies as top tier assassins now days? I mean I can literally see her, and she doesn't even care."

>>52244756
And so when he reached into the Heart, he found the pathway to CHIM and used it to create a world where the Tribunal were Gods.

>>52245247
More like "Fucking Anvil girls"

>>52245247
>she doesn't even realize I'm looking right at her

>>52233654
>>52233668
"Oops I stabbed myself in the head guess I'm dead now see you fucks later I'm taking my soul and going back to Black Marsh"

>>52245264
>Collectively we used the tools to establish a connection with the Heart, enabling ourselves to transform our mortal natures. Thus we became the Tribunal.

http://en.uesp.net/wiki/Morrowind:Plan_to_Defeat_Dagoth_Ur

>>52245247
>>52245426
>dark brotherhood
laughing dunmer jay peg

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>tfw no Morrowind mainland game
>tfw no game reaching from Blacklight to Stormhold
>tfw no expansion concerning post-Red Year Vvardenfell

>>52246321
the only major differences are the lack of Vivec, Ald-ruhn and Sadrith Mora
pretty much everything else got rebuilt

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>ash spawn mage bitch in Dragonborn rants about "bones in the ash" and how they speak to her

>Dunmer keep the bones of their ancestors in tombs and made the ghostfence/gate out of them

>when Red Mountain erupted the Heart of Lorkhan probably spit Dagoth Ur's dead/awake alive/asleep dreamer shit everywhere

>there is a strong possibility that all of the Dunmer who have ever died on Vvardenfell are now Dreamers

>Dagoth Ur's legacy was to create an immortal gestalt entity from the spirits of his people
>they are directly responsible for the creation of the Ash Spawn

As if the Dunmer didn't have it bad enough with the eruption and the Argonian Invasion. Their fucking ancestors are trying to kill them too.

>>52246666
the Heart didn't do shit, by the time Red Mountain erupted it had been 11 years since it was flipped turnways out of the primary 3 physical dimensions by the Nerevarine

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>>52246817

So what the fuck are these things and why can they bring the dead back to life?

>>52246847
volcanic material that became imbued with the Heart's power via millennia of proximity

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>>52246913

Right, so being imbued with the Heart's power they are capable of being used in a similar manner. There is another possibility: Dagoth Ur intentionally created what later became the Heart Stone at some point before the Heart got SunderKeening'd. This dream is relevant to our discussion.

Remember that dreaming is temporary death and the operative concept behind Dagoth Ur's immortality, along with his Ash Vampires who are living beings rather than Undead, having been fully resurrected rather than animated.

>>52245872
Did that also make them to replace the Good Daedra?
This quote has been posted three times now
>But when Vehk the mortal reached into the Heart, he ceased to be anything except for what he wished to be. The axis erupted. There was an exact cracking, an instant of pure Aurbis, his hands burnt black by that ever-nil of static change, and Vivec the god who had never been had always been. A whole universe swelled up to legitimize his throne... as the old universe, where Vehk the mortal still lapped up Godsblood, warped itself to accept its new equivalent. And like all things magical it simply could not happen, could not Be. Red Mountain was the intersection of the Is-Is Not as it was of old, its center point, and it did not hold. And so the Dragon, having broken, saw fit to heal, turning into the world you know.

>>52232500
Vehk and Dagoth Ur are some of the best flawed heroes/noble villains in fantaay, period. They are extremely well written characters and it's sad no other elder scrolls games have had such strong characters, and bad guys you can emphasize with.

Skyrim had fucking Delphine and an ebul dragon with generic world-ending premise.

>>52249220
What about Mankar Camoran? I still feel there would have been a lot more to him and his dumb theory if he wasn't voiceacted

what is the most lore-friendly ship to use for my EVE online corp [CODA]

>>52250394
A bunch of khajit all standing on each others' shoulders, naturally.

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>>52221382
Did anyone else read Theosophy and saw a resemblance?

Specially when they used mediums to visualize the atoms in "Ocult Chemistry".

>>52250394
A mothship

>>52250727
Theosophy is all just cribbed from the same Hindu philosophy and medieval alchemical and esoteric stuff Kirkbride stole from, so it's pretty clear why.

>>52250727
I cant land a source on this really aside from a korean website. what is this?

>>52247639
>Did that also make them to replace the Good Daedra?
Narative. Tribunes claim anticipations' spheres to gain sense of legitimacy amongs daedra worshipers. "We ate it to became it" sort of thing.

As to that wall of unsourced text.
I would sum it up. Basical says "moment tribunal tapped into hearth's power they became gods and history rewriten itself as if they were gods since begining.
That either means that heart has power over dragon (thus dragon break happened) or since numerous calpas have already played out, Tribunal have divine status sine beginingof current calpa(which would not be dragon break by definition).

>>52252557
the Dragon Break at Red Mountain happened because of the creation/activation of Numidium, not the Tribunal interfering with the Heart

>>52250023
That's exactly it. Their villans since III show great promise but Beth fails to deliver. First time i paid atention, fact that tamriel used to be Lorkhan's plane of oblivion blew my mind, all them implications but in game only thing you see it in action is Camoran paradise. Same with Alduin and nords abadoning clever ways.

Anyone got any good maps of Morrowind (the whole province, not just vvardenfell)

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>>52252615
>fact
lol

>Beth fails to deliver
you sure about that?

>>52252604
What do you mean? Moment the Numidium was created was same moment dwems disapeared from reality.
This is first time i hear someone claim that just strikin' hearth is enouhgt to break dragon. Please continue.

>>52252650
>just strikin' hearth is enouhgt to break dragon
it's not
the Tribunal just exploited the existing Dragon Break to make their apotheosis retroactive

https://youtu.be/5e0s91RmkAA

>>52252646
>ridiculing me with that Mirrak post
>implying i call my theories prowen canon.
Let me rephrase that. Mankar claims that Lorkhan was daedroth and Tamriel was his realm based on his research we don't get to see. It's same with III claims of foul murder. You can't say if it's ingame characters' headcanon since game gives you no clues to find and make proper judgement off of.

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For those who run UESRPG, what is your general rule for XP? Does anyone have a system they use where they assign a number by threat level and either subtract or add from that depending on if it's above or below that (average+, average-, etc.)? Second edition by the way because I didn't hear about 3e until my campaign had already started.

>>52252756
are you being retarded on purpose
the first letter in each paragraph of Sermon 36 literally spells out "FOUL MURDER" and Sermon 29 is the key to uncovering Vehk's hidden admission of guilt
UESP even has notes pointing these messages out now

>>52252788
I personally started at 1k xp party and issued between 150-250 xp per session til they hit 3k, and now its a flat 100xp per session. Will likely give them a boost in between story arcs.

100xp is enough to get a new skill, or if you save a few sessions you can get some decent talents. We play weekly so if you play more or less you might want to increase or decrease the trickle

>>52252715
You claim dragon break again. That would mean there were numerous mutualy exclusive timelines mushed together. Unless you can post source to support that claim it's just your opinion dude.
And no FOUL MURDER is not an answer.

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How the Thalmor began

Elf one: Damn, I really liked being a baby, I wish I could go back to being a baby
Elf two: I know, if we kill every human and destroy the entire goddamn world we can be babies again

Just replace baby with gods and that's pretty much it

>>52252884
Dragon Breaks happen literally every time the Numidium is activated because its reality-denying power is so great it can cause Akatosh to doubt himself

>mutually exclusive timelines mushed together
not always the case, Tiber Septim's Siege of Alinor was cut out entirely because the Jills knew it would lead to absolute devastation, they basically retconned the Aldmeri Dominion into surrendering to preemptively prevent the Siege

>You did it again with Big Walker, not once, but twice! Once at Rimmen, which we'll never learn to live with. The second time it was in Daggerfall, or was it Sentinel, or was it Wayrest, or was it in all three places at once? Get me, Cyrodiil? When will you wake up and realize what really happened to the Dwarves?
http://en.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Where_Were_You_..._Dragon_Broke for a source on Numidium breaking time on a regular basis

>>52249220
I don't think I'd even call Vehk a hero, he only wanted to beat Dagoth Ur because of his own pride

>>52252976
>Dragon Breaks happen literally every time the Numidium is activated because its reality-denying power is so great it can cause Akatosh to doubt himself
Well so far. It's entirely possible for numi to be turned on then just kind of hangs out.

>>52252797
>>52252797
Nice ad hominem outlander, but that is not enough here.
>Each of the aspects of the ALMSIVI then rose up together, combining as one, and showed the world the sixth path. Ayem took from the star its fire, Seht took from it its mystery, and Vehk took from it its feet, which had been constructed before the gift of Molag Bal and destroyed in the manner of truth: by a great hammering. When the soul of the Dwemer could walk no more, they were removed from this world.
You and other people need to stop paroting this shit. If you wanna claim FM you need to go to Alandro Sul. Claiming sermon 36 is idiot check for murder fags

Sermon 29 is just a list of sermons hinting that with time the meaning of some of them changed.
>The effigies of numbers are their current applications; this is folly, as above. To be affixed to a symbol is too, too certain.'

Tl,dr: Do your fucking research b4 posting, kid.

>>52253074
Numidium is literally a machine built to deny

>>52252976
Dragon Breaks happen literally every time the Numidium is activated because its reality-denying power is so great it can cause Akatosh to doubt himself

>mutually exclusive timelines mushed together
not always the case, Tiber Septim's Siege of Alinor was cut out entirely because the Jills knew it would lead to absolute devastation, they basically retconned the Aldmeri Dominion into surrendering to preemptively prevent the Siege.

I like second part a lot but i have to inform you that very much as broken timeline those two paragraphs are mutually exclusive ;^)
Sorry if it's some sort of typo.

>>52253081
Numidium was tool with which dwems wanted to ascend godhood.
It's world denying aspect was unintended result of fedora believes.

>>52253081
Sure, but the point I was making is just because it can doesn't mean it's guaranteed to happen.
It's not nearly as interesting to see a gundam just stand there.
Like beasts are perfectly capable of not being murderous savages just because you're in range, but we don't really see any of that happen because what would be the point.
I wasn't trying to argue with anyone, just putting the idea out there.

>>52253183
World refusal was central to Dwemer beliefs and Numidium functioned mostly as intended. Some Dwemer were against it (atleast one scientist too) though, but high priests did it anyway.

It's unknown however whether world refusing Dwemer intended to build a new (fedora-tier godless and logical) world or just commit cosmic equivalent of spree killing as a revenge, but it's fairly well confirmed in lore that Dwemer wanting to become gods is just misconception based on similar (yet different) world refusing Altmeri beliefs.

>>52253054
Vehk genuinely loved his people and wanted them to ascend. Even nuking of Vvardenfell was actually done out of love in order to prepare Dunmer for landfall and coming ascension.

>>52252604
This is kinda true. Fun fact is that Numidium didn't require the Heart in order to function. Purpose of the Heart to Dwemer was to transform their race into skin/flesh/mind of Numidium which was just a mechanical skeleton. It's power source was something different.

>>52253684
>Lord Kagrenac, the foremost arcane philosopher and magecrafter of my era, devised tools to shape mythopoeic forces, intending to transcend the limits of Dwemer mortality. However, in reviewing his formulae, some logicians argued that side effects were unpredictable, and errors might be catastrophic. I think Kagrenac might have succeeded in granting our race eternal life, with unforeseen consequences -- such as wholesale displacement to an Outer Realm. Or he may have erred, and utterly destroyed our race.

http://en.uesp.net/wiki/Morrowind:Yagrum_Bagarn

>>52221382
Not an elder scrolls fan, but whats that tentacle thing from the OP. I love it, its like an illithid with trunks.

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>>52253755
An Ascended Sleeper.

Now go and play Morrowind.

>>52253751
Problem here is that C0DA and other latter sources make it seem like that Numidium's purpose was just denial and destruction. However, I don't argue that this might be a retcon, since Dwemer in Morrowind were portrayed as differently as evidenced by Yagrum's dialogue.

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>>52253755

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>>52253755
http://en.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Bestiary_A#Ascended_Sleeper

>>52253820
I wish there was a mod that would make Ascended Sleepers play their flutes.

>>52253891
I bet it would be possible to make an npc like guitar players from animated morrowind, just kind of sway to and fro with hands sometimes moving up and down the trunk, maybe even have the trunk flare sometimes.
I know shit about morrowind animations though.

>>52246847
>>52246989
Might those be actually pieces of Akulakhan which exploded along with the mountain? His (presumably corprus made) flesh was much like stone.

>>52253917
Actually with current tools completely new animations are possible. Animated Morrowind heavily utilized this as did some sex mods. It used to be so very long ago that one couldn't create new animations for Morrowind, but for years that hasn't been the case. I think it's quite hard though which is why it's relatively rare to see.

>>52253935
Yeah, from what I see people mention on morrowind modding discord, the few blips I saw about animations, people don't like working with them lol.

Take a look at this crackpot theory
https://www.reddit.com/r/teslore/comments/609ope/could_the_dwemer_have_been_vampiric_chimer/
Teslore strikes again

>>52254218
This is what happens when fandom begins to eat itself

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>ES:VI
>New Expansion
>It's Solstheim again

>>52224860
Pic strangely reminds me of Prince of Persia.

>>52252242
http://kissmanga.com/Manga/Choudouryoku-Mouko-Daishuurai

>>52254424
>ES:VI
I think you meant Skyrim2

>>52254686
>ES:III
I think you mean Daggerfall2

>>52254686
Skyrim 2: Son of Skyrim actually
You play the son of the LDB whose canon name is now Skyrim

>>52254772
>Shor son of Shor in video game format

heck I'd play that

>>52246321
Tamriel Rebuilt does mainland better than Bethesda ever could. Remember that Morrowind was a fluke.

>>52255051
Morrowind wasn't a fluke, it was desperation. They actually tried.
It's entirely possible they can eventually be in a similar situation.

>>52255073
Nah, there's too many casuels that buy any shit they make. Look at F4, even casuels hated it, but it still sold millions.

Elder Scrolls will live forever in OpenMW and mods for it. Bethesda is a lost cause.

>>52255051
>>52255073
Skyrim had a better world than Morrowind, both the mainland and especially Solstheim.

>>52255210
troll

>>52255210
Only in terms of visuals and even those were boring compared to mushroom wastes. Morrowind world had much more interesting NPCs, encounters on roads, unique loot, more interesting dungeons and so on.

Though I agree that Skyrim's Solstheim was much better than Bloodmoon which was boring as fuck.

>>52254468
Thank you Sera

>>52221399
Green pact only applies to Bosmer inside of Valenwood.

Outside of it they can eat their veggies and chop wood normally...
That along with the Thalmor ocupation of Valenwood is the main reason they emigrate into the Empire.

>>52224920
That's Hadvar my bro right there.

>So sick of this fatass.
>I've been trying to let someone assasinate him for years allready.
>Now he's harrassing another Highe elven chick. No wonder they hate the empire.
>Dumb redguard chick still hangs over his head threateningly but still wont make a move despite knowing i'm only watching on and not going to react.
>Can't she poison his drink or something?
>Fuck are all Assassins this incompetent these days?

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Can someone explain what this has to do with clavicus vile?

>>52252557
>wall of unsourced text
wow, you got me!
it's from the Trial of Vivec, just to clear that up for you.
Here have some more quotes from the Trial, regarding the Tribunal's godhood
>The Tribunal gloriously usurped the worship of our Anticipations, as was foretold in the words of Veloth. That you would categorize this as a crime is confusing to me. Perhaps you wish to know true history so that you will not go longer unlearned
>I spoke of this in an earlier life, but earlier than myself were Ayem and Seht. They had supplanted in the orbit of the Chimeri soul those Daedra that predated them, Boethiah and Azura respectively. None of us did this out of criminal intent. Rather, as I have said, these beings were our Anticipations in the truest sense, the fore-images of the gods that would come for Morrowind. We hold the original Triune in honor as the bringers of knowledge and culture, and difference, and revere them as the harbingers of the glory of ALMSIVI. And never did we question their divinities or remove them from our holy books
>While it may seem strange to imply that our fore-images, being Daedra, were adverse to change, they were, and they are. In this they are very alike to the Aedra in their fundaments. While born of Padhome, they are of too much ego to give up their realms entirely, especially for altruism, which is perhaps what they most hate
>And so from their basis did we spring, called to heaven by violence, our people throwing our mantles to us across stars, and across time, and magic and dream, and here we remain
>But I gladly—no, delightfully—admit to stealing my bridge to godhood! Let the court record I would do it again and again. Moreover, I’ve left instructions for others to do the same, and look more pretty than I did doing it!

>>52252884
>Then Wulfharth said: "Don't you see where you really are? Don't you know who Shor really is? Don't you know what this war is?" And they looked from the King to the God to the Devils and Orcs, and some knew, really knew, and they are the ones that stayed." What did they really know?
>They were inside the Dragon Break of the Red Moment
https://www.imperial-library.info/content/michael-kirkbride-irc-qa-sessions
There was indeed a Dragon Break at Red Mountain, hence all the conflicting accounts.

Every time MK is brought up, I remember how much I fucking hate so much of this series.

Like holy shit, no wonder Oblivion has always been my favorite. How the fuck do any of you put up with this 3deep5me bullshit? it's like listening to the fucking tweaker on the bus talk about conscious atoms while he scratches his palms.

>>52256929
What I don't get is how people decide how much of what he writes is cannon co soldering he no longer works at bathesda. I'm pretty sure for every one thing he writes that makes it into the games there has to be multiple other things that the actual company just disregards as crazy; yet so many people pretend like everything the man writes is automatically cannon

>>52227088
>>52227339
Chitin axes seem incredibly popular with ashlanders (I wish Chitin wasn't so shit.)

>>52256929
>no wonder Oblivion has always been my favorite
It's called bad taste

>>52256929
Oh so you don't like in depth philosophical readings with gods who use the power of another god's heart to survivec?
Nice to know

>>52256929
go read your warcraft lore feg

>>52257170
>bathesda
>cannon
this has to be bait

>>52256929
Do you happen to be a Dark Souls fan?

>>52221382
honestly my family, RuneQuest would be pretty good for an Elder Scrolls game.

Alright, somebody tell me if I got this right.

The Imperial race is composed of Cyro-Nords that intermixed with the native Nedic humans, along with further race-mixing with Akaviri invaders.

>>52257977
i dont think anyone really knows
The most popular hypothesis is that the Nedes came from Atmora before the Nords did, and then the Nedes later became Imperials after the Alessian Slave Rebellion.

Could be wrong tho

>>52257588
Miyazaki > Kirkbride


Skyrim > Morrowind > Oblivion

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>>52258555

>>52258821
Possibly just retarded.

>>52258821
skyrim > morrowind was bait, but Dark Souls lore is better than TES lore

>>52258920
Explain.

>>52258920
Dark Souls lore isnt even explained in game very well. Half of souls players dont know wtf is going on in the story. When you are unable to explain what the story is in a game, that's bad writing

>>52258920
Apples and oranges, both have their nuance, influence and style

>>52258555
>>52258920
>muh item descriptions

>>52258976
>>52258999
In Dark Souls 1 if you watch the cinematics and talk with the serpents you already knows enough to understand the game, no need to read items' description.

>>52259036
So its really shallow and lacks a deeper narrative?

>>52259036
So how does that stand up to Kirkbride's work?

>>52258920
Souls lore is presented better than the "fun" parts of tes lore that aren't directly quest related, but tes lore as a whole is better than souls lore simply because it has actual answers and doesn't rely completely on references and implications to appear complex.

>>52259068
Well said.

>>52259068
To play devil's advocate ho is that any worse than the books that just throw fanciful "Place that is not a place, impossible angles" etc stuff at you without really explaining anything?

>>52259048
No, you said the game made no sense, which is wrong, I'm saying the basic premise is very well explained, but you you need to talk with more npcs and read items if you want to get deep in the lore

>>52259118
Better than "Shit happens and nobody knows why 0_o"

>>52259132
So much like TES. like >>52258979 says. It's pretty dumb and pointless to go nu-uh my lore is better

>>52259164
Not to sound 5, but he started it.

>>52259188
I just got triggered by this guy >>52257588, sorry

>>52259188
>>52259209
Let's get back to the task at hand. Elder Scrolls and space moths okay?

>>52259209
Eh, you came to an Elder Scrolls lore thread to shit on the setting, so...

>>52259221
That is okay :)

>>52259234
I browse this place often, as I like TES lore a lot too

>>52259221
As far as I understand moth priests read the scroll and get blind, but is it worthy? And how do they select priests? Is it voluntary?

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So how did Hircine create Lycanthropy?

>>52259234
I'm actually not any of these people arguing about whos lore is better in an elder scrolls thread.
Moving on though.
If the Dwemer were wiped out during the dragon break, is there a possibility that they could return during another drastic alteration of the timelines?

>>52259330
Maybe.

>>52259311
I'd chalk it up to greek mythological creation and such. God breeds with animal passes down curse etc through the blood of the first. Much like Molag Bal and the creation of vampirism.
>>52259276
I think they touch on this in oblivion and mention its much like any other order of monks. Devote your life to a holy order and eventually become allowed to delve into the secrets of the scrolls

>>52259364
Is there any evidence to the possibility?

>>52259396
I feel like it depends on the situation whereas the Break occurs. Like there's a reason the Warp in the West only made alternate timelines out of what was happening in that region.

>>52259455
well, its not really alternate timelines, its taking all possibilities and merging them together. IIRC

>>52259491
I forget.

>>52259330
No. Because Numidium exists outside time. Dwemer are Numidium now and there's no unmaking that.

Of course someone with enough magic/technology could recreate their race by cloning Yagrum Bagarn.

>>52259939
Are Dwemer having fun inside Numidium or they are just dead?

>>52260176
no

>>52260176
Their souls are probably just hanging out.

>>52260176
We honestly don't know. There might be it's own plane of existence there similar to Aedric/Daedric plane(ts) though since it's basically an artificial Aedra.

>>52260301
Sounds like an adventure to me

>>52260816
It's probably pretty boring existence of mathematics and fedoras.

>>52260869
Apocrypha?

>>52260869
Dwemer pretty much run off "I reject your reality and substitute my own", math is far too grounded for them

>>52252646
Y'know what sux? The only in-game, in-the-moment impression Miraak gave me was "some other jerk I need to stab a lot"

>>52253951
What would the poison song sound like?

>>52261633
Probably like korn.

These threads have become pretty shitty lately.

>>52262404
We literally just had an argument resolved maturely above you with the dark souls lore, you need better bait.

Earlier in the thread someone mentioned Alandro Sul mantling Sheo? I'd never heard that. What's that all about?

>>52262454
I was pretty happy about the discussion on CHIM and Talos this weekend and as much as we like/dislike talking about MK he wrote a good chunk of the lore we question so I enjoy that as well

Is it confirmed that Pelinal's lover was male?

>>52262684
"Huna" sounds female to me, personally.

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Got my hands on a bit more ESO concept art to dump

>>52262857
Pretty for an Orc place.

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>>52262879
A bit more research shows it's Craglorn, on the border between Hammerfell and Cyrodiil.

>>52262905
I was going off the Orc carvings on the sides.